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Looking at 'V' with Michael E. Cullen II · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  ♪ Entertain me, Entertain me right now ♪
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  - Hello everybody, welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie podcast.
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  I'm Shauna and I'm joined by...
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  Thank you again, Camille.
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  And this week we have a very special guest joining us.
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  Michael E. Cullen, the second is an award-winning filmmaker,
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  a podcaster who we love.
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  Founder of Cullen Park Productions.
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  Michael has directed films like The Horror Comedy,
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  Pi Day Die Day.
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  That sounds amazing.
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  The Christmas horror film Sheld,
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  and co-produced films like A Night of the Living Dead,
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  The Final Act, and New Blood Awakening.
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  Michael Co-host, the podcast, All Too Real To.
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  A look at the Wild and Wacky Realm of Pop Culture.
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  Welcome to the show, Michael.
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  - Thank you, thanks for having me.
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  - Yeah, absolutely.
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  That was quite the introduction
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  and I wanna know more about Pi Day Die Day immediately.
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  (laughing)
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  - Good thing is, is you can actually watch it right now
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  on Toobie.
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  - Ooh, it's on Tubi, that's amazing.
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  - Yeah, it's a, we shot it back in, like, mid-2010,
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  around there and it's a film that takes place
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  on Pi Day on March 14th, where small Ohio town
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  and a bunch of murder start happening
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  and it's up to the high school math teacher
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  and a couple of detectives to try to figure out,
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  you know, who the killer is and what's going on.
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  - That's amazing.
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  - Sadly recently, our star of the movie
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  who played the high school teacher passed away.
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  So yeah, he was only 50 years old and passed away,
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  I don't know where.
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  So one of my best friends, he was a really good guy,
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  Mark Klein, his name, so yeah,
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  but you can check that out on Toobie.
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  As an honor to Mark, I recommend doing it.
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  So yeah, it's a really,
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  Pi Day's in a couple days from when we're recording this,
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  so we're gonna have to watch it.
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  - It's a, you know, it's a real low budget,
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  so don't go in expecting anything spectacular.
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  - I love a good low budget fest, I love that.
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  - That's amazing.
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  I saw Christmas horror and I was immediately interested.
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  I made a stew and episode actually about Christmas horror,
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  so that really speaks to me on that note as well.
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  - Shelf, Shelf is the follow up.
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  We're trying to get that on Toobie soon,
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  but that is a movie about a little elf on a shelf dial sort of thing.
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  (laughing)
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  The horror comedy as well,
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  and it paralyzes a family little girl and mom and dad
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  and everything, and then there's a psychiatrist
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  and everything trying to figure out what's wrong.
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  And you know, I feel like most parents
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  who participate in the elf on a shelf, Christmas,
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  Jabaka would really love that Christmas movie.
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  - They probably feel like the elf terrorizes them anyway
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  'cause they have to wake up and remember to move it every day.
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  - Yeah, literally.
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  Some of the ones that you see on TikTok are like,
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  "We made a production.
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  "We had to clean the whole kitchen after this."
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  - Oh my god.
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  - They're quite crazy, so for any parents,
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  couldn't do it.
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  - Yeah, I think it's good.
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  It's good, I would never do that.
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  Yeah, my best friend, Lindsay LaForest,
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  wrote both of those movies too, so any of the humor,
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  I will give credit to her, so.
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  - That's awesome.
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  - Yeah.
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  - I love that.
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  So how did you get started in your passion
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  of making films?
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  I mean, what kind of sparked that interest in you?
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  Was it from a young age?
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  - Yeah, I mean, I've always loved movie and theater
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  and stuff of that nature since I was a little kid.
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  Probably, I mean, like, I'm in my 40s,
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  and when I was a kid, I would watch American movie classics,
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  which is now AMC.
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  And there were old movies on there,
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  and I'd watch those all the time.
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  Like, I remember one night watching Rubble Without A Cause,
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  and that kind of just like blew my mind,
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  and I was like, okay, I need to do that somehow.
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  I don't know what that is, but I need to do that,
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  'cause I was probably about nine years old when I saw it,
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  and I was like, yep, that's something I need to do.
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  And I had a little like, real cheap video camera as a kid,
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  and we made movies in my backyard and stuff
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  that, you know, I don't know where they are now,
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  but the first one was like a horror movie.
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  I'm not even into horror movies,
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  but we did a horror movie when I was a kid
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  called the Unknown Paperboy,
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  and I played the Paperboy,
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  and then my cousin played the Paperboy,
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  and both of us have completely different frames, body frames.
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  Just no continuity at all.
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  I love that.
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  That's amazing.
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  Very cool.
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  Yeah.
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  And so what was the first film that you professionally
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  directed or produced?
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  The side's obviously the Paperboy.
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  Hey, hey, hey.
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  Oh, and probably, like when I got into college,
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  I started doing things, and I probably,
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  I mean, I made some like real short little films and stuff,
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  and I made short films,
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  I mean, most of them are short films in college,
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  and probably the first one was a weird movie
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  called The Book of Life,
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  where it was about a guy missing in the woods,
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  and his friends go off to look for him,
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  and he, it was like real surreal and weird,
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  and kind of, I was told it was David lynching in,
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  but I didn't even know what that meant at the time,
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  'cause I hadn't seen a lynch movie.
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  Thank you, I guess.
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  Yeah.
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  And then, yeah, it was like, he goes into the woods
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  and finds a book that supposedly has the meaning of life in it,
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  and then, and it's all this time in there,
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  and yeah, it was, it was bad, but yeah, it was.
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  I'm sure it was amazing.
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  That's awesome.
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  [LAUGHTER]
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  I love that.
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  So it's interesting.
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  You said you're not a big horror fan,
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  but we've made a few horror films.
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  I kind of brought you into that.
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  I mean, I like horror.
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  It's not that I don't like it.
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  It's just not my favorite genre.
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  I don't even know if I really have a favorite genre,
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  but it's, I think I like more of like, you know,
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  what I want to go into now, because I just
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  wrote a screenplay that's kind of a coming of age film
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  that takes place in the '90s, and with some teenagers,
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  I don't want to get away too much else.
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  But that's kind of more of my like, when I watch movies,
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  that, or like I really like, you know,
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  movies based on true stories and stuff.
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  So that too.
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  But I don't know.
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  It's just horror kind of just fell into my lap,
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  because around in Toledo, where I lived,
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  I lived, I don't live in Toledo anymore,
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  but where I lived, there was the film community.
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  Everybody was making horror movie.
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  So it was just easy to like get on a crew to that,
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  and then eventually we filmed a movie at my best friend's
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  house, and she had never written anything.
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  And she's just like, I could write a movie,
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  and I'm like, I'll go for it.
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  And then so we made the two that I directed.
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  So yeah.
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  It's a real Matthew McConaughey moving into more films, right?
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  Everybody starts in horror.
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  So--
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  We talked about that too on one of our episodes
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  was how many famous actors and producers have
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  gotten their start in horror movies.
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  And how it's like, horror doesn't usually
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  get the respect that it deserves sometimes,
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  because there's some masterpieces out there.
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  I like a lot of horror movies, but like I said,
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  it's not my favorite genre, but it's
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  they're easy to make to a lot of time.
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  They're fun.
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  It's not anything in horror is ever taken too seriously,
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  so it's kind of easy.
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  People will forgive mistakes in horror more
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  than they would in like a drama.
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  So you are also the host of a podcast called All Too Real Two.
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  Tell us a little bit about that.
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  What do you guys talk about in the show?
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  It's kind of just like a catch all pop culture show,
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  probably similar to yours.
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  But we talked-- we started out--
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  it's a sequel to another podcast.
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  That's why the two--
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  I was wondering what the two was there.
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  OK.
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  We used to have a podcast called All Too Real,
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  where we watched movies based on true stories.
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  But we got bored with that.
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  So we created a sequel podcast to do on the side.
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  And then we just stopped doing the original podcast.
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  Just stuck with the name.
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  We kind of started out originally doing movies
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  that were like directive video sequels, like Honey
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  We Shrunk ourselves or--
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  Oh my god.
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  I remember that movie.
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  Like, "2/3/2, Jingle All the Way, 2, both starring."
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  We can't get any of the original cast on there.
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  We have an ongoing hatred towards Larry the Cable Guy
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  on our podcast because--
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  Oh my god.
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  It's movies.
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  Yeah.
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  But-- or Dan Whitney was--
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  who's Daniel Whitney is his real name.
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  But my co-host is named Matthew Haas.
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  He goes by Sesame and Carter on our podcast, though,
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  because he just is him.
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  And Don--
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  We need nicknames, Olivia.
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  I know.
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  We're just out here being boring.
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  We're going to live in our names.
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  Sesame and Carter.
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  Sesame and Carter.
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  Our early episodes were--
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  He went by his real name, and then eventually he just decided,
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  hey, I'm going to change my name.
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  And I'm like, OK, you go.
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  I'd go for it.
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  And Carter, isn't that like the old disk
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  we used to get as kids?
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  Like the--
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  That's what you're talking about?
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  Yeah.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  That might have been before your time, Olivia.
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  It was like an encyclopedia, and you could get it
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  like a DVD or a disk and put it in your computer.
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  And that's how you research stuff.
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  It was like, whoa.
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  But not online.
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  Yeah.
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  You had to buy the disk.
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  And you couldn't edit it.
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  It was kind of like an encyclopedia books that are encyclopedia,
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  but it was a disk.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  That's amazing.
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  Yeah.
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  That's amazing.
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  Shana could tell by the glazed-over look in my--
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  Yeah, you were like, yeah, no idea that it is.
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  The head was nodding.
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  It's not.
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  You can't tell on a podcast, but there was nodding.
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  That's when the age gap comes out just a little bit.
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  Just a little bit.
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  So you mentioned making a movie about kids in the '90s.
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  And you also mentioned during your 40s,
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  that's kind of when you grew up watching pop culture.
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  What were some of the stuff that you grew up watching
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  and that you were into?
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  Well, I mean, if we go into when I was in high school
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  and stuff, it was like Kevin Smith movies and things
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  of that nature that got me--
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  I'm friends with a lot of people that are in his universe now,
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  just randomly.
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  I interviewed a couple of people from his films.
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  Yeah, it's interesting.
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  That kind of indie films is what kind of got me going back then.
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  But I mean, there was also when I was really young,
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  I was like Star Wars and stuff like that.
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  A lot of sci-fi.
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  I was really into sci-fi as a kid.
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  So I was basically under the nobody's eye too.
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  So sci-fi.
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  [LAUGHTER]
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  Well, that is the perfect segue then,
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  because we are going to talk about a sci-fi show that was made
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  definitely before I was born.
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  1983's V, V, the original series.
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  Is that what we call it?
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  Or V, the mini series?
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  V, the mini series.
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  Because then there's the final battle
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  and then the TV series after that.
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  That's right.
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  So let's take a quick break and get into some sci-fi, 80s,
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  nerd dumb.
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  Welcome back.
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  So as we mentioned, Michael is joining us today
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  to talk about V. In 1983, NBC Television,
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  mini series about an invasion of seemingly friendly aliens
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  here on Earth.
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  The two-part mini series was the second most popular program
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  the week it was released and was followed by a sequel like Michael
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  mentioned called V, the final battle, which
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  came out a year later in 1984.
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  So now that I watched V, the mini series, really
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  want to watch the final battle.
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  I loved it.
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  I did too.
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  I hadn't seen it in decades.
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  Yeah, so you watched it all the way through before.
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  This was your second viewing then?
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  Yeah, probably.
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  I mean, I think-- so OK, with my age-- and I'm 47.
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  So when it came out, I was probably about five or six.
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  Yes, that you were a kid.
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  Theygly remembered my parents watching it
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  and freaking out when you could see the aliens being revealed
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  and--
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  Yes.
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  Yeah, I know.
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  --and nightmares for the longest time after that.
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  Yeah.
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  They're creepy.
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  They're creepy as hell.
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  It is really interesting to see how that piece of media
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  really kind of comes into popular day today.
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  When I was watching it, I was like, oh, is this where
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  lizard people started?
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  Like, amongst-- the lizard people are among us.
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  Like, that kind of seed and kernel within conspiracy theories.
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  Like, did it originate here?
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  Was that an original idea within the show?
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  That's something in the Los Angeles sewer system.
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  I don't remember it there.
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  I feel like I learned the backstory of that at one point.
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  I don't remember what it was.
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  The reason-- there is a conspiracy theory that
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  is really popular by a British former sportscaster.
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  And soccer player named David Ike about people usually
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  hire up in society like the queen or the president's.
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  Those are people wearing fake faces and stuff like that.
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  Yes.
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  But I guess the conspiracy theory actually
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  dates back to about the 1700s originally.
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  So yeah, but I don't know the whole history of it
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  that I was reading a little bit on it the other day.
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  So yeah.
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  I still feel like it's a thing.
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  I remember even when Hillary Clinton
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  was running for president, people look,
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  you see her being a lizard person.
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  She's so stupid.
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  Yeah, there was--
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  see, you're thinking Hillary Clinton.
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  I was like, there was this Justin Bieber-like-faked video
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  of him turning into a lizard person in the 2010s.
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  So yeah.
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  So everyone-- everyone's a lizard person.
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  Everyone's a lizard person.
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  I can't help her.
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  Anybody except for Donald Trump or something.
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  But yeah.
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  Oh yeah, no.
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  He's perfect.
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  He could never possibly be a lizard person.
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  He could never lizard.
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  Never lizard.
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  No.
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  So people who have-- I had never heard of V before.
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  We decided we were going to watch the show and discuss it.
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  So for other people like me, who might not have heard of it
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  before, it begins when a massive alien spacecraft of peers
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  over multiple cities worldwide.
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  The aliens called visitors--
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  or that's what people kind of colloquially start calling them--
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  look human, but wear sunglasses and speak with kind of a weird
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  inner vocal effect in their throats.
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  They are led by their supreme commander, Diana,
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  who is hot as hell.
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  Oh my god.
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  Yeah.
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  Beautiful.
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  What a fox.
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  Even eating that guinea pig, I was like, I'm
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  like, I'd let you eat me.
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  You can eat my guinea pig any day, Diana.
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  Listen.
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  Sorry, Michael.
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  Oh, no, you're little.
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  This is us.
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  This is us.
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  So the visitors claim to come in peace, seeking chemicals
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  and minerals to save their dying planet.
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  And initially, everybody's like, oh my god, the visitor is
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  yay, and there's action figures made.
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  And slowly but surely, they start to take over the government
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  and take over the media, brainwash people.
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  The visitors are not our friends.
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  You guys?
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  No.
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  Yeah.
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  No.
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  Well, and I think it's important to kind of say,
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  like how they got us to believe them, just knowing what we
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  know today about the way that we embrace new cultures is they
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  come in and say, like, if you give us resources,
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  we will cure you of all of your problems, all of your resource
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  issues, help you heal the earth, help you cure diseases.
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  And so they really kind of promise, like, hey, we have all the
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  answers.
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  And we'll give them to you if you just give us some of your resources
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  from your factories.
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  I mean, they make it seem like it's going to be a peaceful kind
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  of quid pro quo situation.
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  But I think it's just-- it speaks obviously in allegory
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  for just the rise of fascism, right?
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  And they even have the grandfather who
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  was a survivor of the Holocaust, who
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  can see his dumb ass grandson--
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  God, that grandson's the worst character.
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  I hate it, though.
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  Oh, I don't even remember his stupid name, but he was the dumb--
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  The dumb jock.
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  The dumb jock.
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  Daniel, I think it was.
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  Yeah.
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  Daniel, what a dumb jock name.
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  I'm just kidding.
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  If your name is Daniel, we love you.
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  Love you, Daniel.
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  Join Patreon, Daniel.
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  His grandfather has to watch his grandson join this fascist
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  movement.
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  And like, he's basically seeing history repeat itself
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  from Naziism that he survived and that heroingly
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  tells his wife die.
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  I got a little misty when he was talking about his wife dying
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  in the Holocaust.
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  And I mean, it's basically--
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  he was part of the visitor youth, which
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  is the Hitler youth.
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  He's exactly.
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  So yeah.
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  And even their symbol looks quite a bit like a swastika.
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  And the uniforms are very like Utah.
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  It's Harry, and I guess is the word.
• 18:08
  And it's very much symbolic.
• 18:11
  I mean, in Grandpa Clark's at the minute he sees them.
• 18:14
  He's like, nah.
• 18:15
  That was reading though.
• 18:17
  I was reading something, Robert England, who
• 18:20
  was better known as Freddie Krueger.
• 18:21
  He was the visitors in this, and he was Willie.
• 18:25
  And he said that he was at a convention.
• 18:29
  And somebody came up to him, and they
• 18:30
  had that symbol tattooed on their chest.
• 18:32
  Oh, no.
• 18:34
  And he had to try to explain to them.
• 18:35
  He's just like, yeah, you might not
• 18:37
  want to do that.
• 18:39
  Yeah, that's not what you think it is.
• 18:42
  It reminds me of when people were getting the death mark
• 18:44
  or whatever from Harry Potter.
• 18:46
  And I'm like, it's kind of like a Nazi symbol.
• 18:50
  Yeah, like a magical Nazi.
• 18:53
  Maybe you don't stop me that.
• 18:56
  Oh, man.
• 18:57
  I did like Robert England as Willie.
• 18:59
  And Willie was definitely like--
• 19:00
  you got a soft spot for him.
• 19:02
  So it was kind of nice to see that some of the visitors
• 19:06
  were trying to break away from the, you know,
• 19:10
  authority or the government and stuff
• 19:12
  that they didn't agree with.
• 19:13
  Like the one visitor who was helping our main character,
• 19:16
  Mike, throughout the movie.
• 19:18
  For the mini series, I guess.
• 19:20
  Yeah.
• 19:21
  It was really interesting to see how they kind of--
• 19:25
  like, I was just analyzing like the 1980s character tropes
• 19:30
  within the humans as well.
• 19:32
  And I think that one of the things they really had
• 19:35
  was like the career woman.
• 19:37
  It was just like so self-serving.
• 19:40
  And like, is only looking to move herself forward
• 19:44
  versus like the angelical, like mom, who just wants
• 19:48
  to save everyone.
• 19:49
  I thought that juxtaposition.
• 19:50
  Whereas now, like, if they adapted it
• 19:53
  and I know they did it in the 2000s,
• 19:55
  like, would that be such a, you know,
• 19:57
  clear, like self-serving business woman trope,
• 20:00
  like the with the reporter?
• 20:02
  Yeah, it's like the--
• 20:03
  I think the adaptation in 2011, the like spokesperson
• 20:11
  for the aliens is a man.
• 20:13
  Oh, interesting.
• 20:14
  So yeah, I think Scott Wolf plays like a reporter in it
• 20:18
  from what I remember reading.
• 20:19
  I only watched it once or something when it was on.
• 20:21
  I would didn't really get into it.
• 20:23
  So yeah.
• 20:24
  I don't even remember it being on.
• 20:25
  But I definitely want to continue at the '80s series.
• 20:28
  I'm like, I got to see what happens next.
• 20:30
  I do-- I think that's interesting, Olivia.
• 20:32
  Like, there are some intense stereotypes in this movie,
• 20:37
  right?
• 20:38
  There's intense racial stereotypes.
• 20:40
  And I think it's just a product of its time being in 1983.
• 20:45
  But it was still so progressive for its time
• 20:49
  and what it was speaking to.
• 20:50
  I was like, I'll give it some grace
• 20:52
  for some of these more like moment.
• 20:56
  Yeah.
• 20:58
  The two African-American brothers were the ones kind of,
• 21:00
  like, jive talking, I guess.
• 21:02
  And then the other one's kind of smart doctor.
• 21:05
  Like, it can't be those two, I guess.
• 21:08
  No, it has to be one or the other.
• 21:09
  And then like the Hispanic Gardener guy
• 21:13
  with his cowboy hat on the whole time.
• 21:15
  Yeah.
• 21:17
  But I think what they're speaking to
• 21:20
  and what they're getting at in the series
• 21:22
  is so progressive for the '80s and something
• 21:26
  that needed to be heard.
• 21:28
  So I was like, all right.
• 21:29
  Sadly, really, really holds up.
• 21:31
  And a lot of the things that are going on now,
• 21:33
  where you've got like these people
• 21:35
  that were just disappeared on there.
• 21:37
  And then recently we had
• 21:40
  McMood, Colliel, a protester from Columbia
• 21:45
  who just was disappeared.
• 21:48
  And eventually, but you know, things like that
• 21:50
  are just happening with our government.
• 21:52
  So I meant to mention all the concentration camps,
• 21:56
  but that's what they are.
• 21:57
  Yeah.
• 21:58
  No, 100%.
• 21:59
  I think it's sad how much
• 22:01
  it stands up today.
• 22:03
  And like I remember Mark was on,
• 22:05
  or I'm sorry, Mike.
• 22:06
  The actor's name is Marcus Characters Mike.
• 22:09
  Mike was on the ship at one point and was like,
• 22:11
  how did you guys even let somebody
• 22:13
  that terrible get into power in the first place?
• 22:16
  And he, the visitor was like,
• 22:20
  I don't know, people didn't realize it at first
• 22:23
  or he made a lot of great promises
• 22:25
  or he had a big personality and was charismatic.
• 22:28
  And I was like, no, that's weird.
• 22:30
  Sounds a little familiar.
• 22:32
  But no, yeah, the people going missing
• 22:33
  is definitely a little on the nose right now.
• 22:37
  And it's really scary.
• 22:39
  I mean, I know for me,
• 22:39
  I'm very outspoken about progressive issues.
• 22:42
  Oh, same.
• 22:43
  Us too.
• 22:45
  I knew we'd like you, Mike.
• 22:46
  Okay.
• 22:48
  I'm just really worried.
• 22:49
  I'm like, okay, should I say any of this stuff
• 22:52
  I'm lying anymore or not?
• 22:53
  Because who knows?
• 22:55
  But yeah, I'm gonna still do it regardless.
• 22:58
  If they want to put me in a camp, go ahead.
• 23:00
  I mean, and it just, it's like the letter in the movie
• 23:03
  that I keep calling it a movie,
• 23:05
  but it felt like you know, just two movies,
• 23:07
  the way we watched it.
• 23:08
  The letter that Grandpa wrote and was like,
• 23:12
  you guys need to stand up and fight.
• 23:14
  This is what's right.
• 23:15
  When his granddaughter was like,
• 23:17
  I don't know, I don't, this seems dangerous.
• 23:19
  We were already kidnapped.
• 23:20
  We got away barely with our lives.
• 23:22
  And it was like, no, I mean,
• 23:24
  it's like that famous quote and I'm gonna butcher it,
• 23:27
  but it's like, first they came for the communists
• 23:30
  and I didn't stand up 'cause I'm not a communist
• 23:32
  and then they came for the Catholics
• 23:34
  and I didn't stand up 'cause I'm not a Catholic.
• 23:36
  And then they came for me
• 23:37
  and there was no one left to stand up for me, right?
• 23:40
  So.
• 23:41
  - It's funny too.
• 23:43
  Like even with that, they censored that poem
• 23:44
  when it first came out.
• 23:45
  It was originally, they said socialists
• 23:47
  instead of communists.
• 23:49
  - Interesting.
• 23:50
  - 'Cause they didn't want to put any emphasis
• 23:52
  on communism until they needed to.
• 23:54
  Like basically they already were setting up
• 23:56
  the whole idea for the Red Scar,
• 23:58
  which is another thing that's very similar
• 24:00
  to what's happening here.
• 24:01
  So yeah. - Yeah.
• 24:02
  - Yeah.
• 24:03
  - That's so interesting.
• 24:04
  So have you watched the rest of the mini series?
• 24:07
  Did you want, or the final battle?
• 24:10
  - I probably did.
• 24:11
  I just don't remember it.
• 24:13
  So yeah. - Yeah.
• 24:14
  I'd be very interested to see how they wrap it all up
• 24:17
  and if they continue with like the political allegory
• 24:22
  and if it's, you know, how did they save it?
• 24:26
  Maybe we could take some notes.
• 24:27
  (laughing)
• 24:28
  How did they stop fascism?
• 24:30
  - I was doing some research on like what it happened.
• 24:34
  Like Kenneth Johnson who created,
• 24:36
  he wrote the mini series and created it.
• 24:38
  He was, he had creative differences with them
• 24:42
  for the final battle. - Yeah.
• 24:44
  - And were taken off the project.
• 24:46
  They basically rewrote a lot of the stuff.
• 24:50
  They still had to give him credit,
• 24:52
  but he decided to change his name to Lilian Weezer
• 24:55
  for some reason.
• 24:56
  - Interesting, fan name.
• 24:58
  He went on to create the series afterwards though, right?
• 25:02
  - He still gets creative credit,
• 25:03
  but he had nothing to do with it.
• 25:05
  - Interesting.
• 25:06
  Did he come back for the 2009 one?
• 25:08
  - He gets creative credit,
• 25:09
  but he had nothing to do with it.
• 25:10
  - Nothing with that one either.
• 25:11
  - He's like, he's in his 80s now
• 25:13
  and he's still trying to do a movie remake of the original.
• 25:17
  - He's said it was, it was a good idea.
• 25:20
  I'm gonna keep it going.
• 25:21
  - It was a good idea, but come on bro.
• 25:23
  - Come on.
• 25:24
  - I know there were some comic books as well,
• 25:26
  but I didn't go a chance to pick it.
• 25:28
  - So what I understand, the TV series
• 25:30
  just was real lower budget.
• 25:32
  And it was turned into kind of like a,
• 25:36
  like they said dynasty with aliens.
• 25:39
  Like it was like,
• 25:40
  like a nighttime soap opera, but with an alien.
• 25:42
  - Oh god.
• 25:43
  I definitely got that.
• 25:45
  Like between the love interests
• 25:47
  and the main guy in it,
• 25:49
  where he's just like this Casanova,
• 25:51
  who's like he was making everyone fall in love with him.
• 25:56
  And yeah, I think that one of the most interesting things
• 26:01
  about this show and how prophetic it was
• 26:04
  was them really just straight going for the scientists.
• 26:07
  And of course we, we all lived through 2020.
• 26:10
  We've seen it continue into other things,
• 26:14
  but it was really, it wasn't necessarily people
• 26:18
  that could physically overthrow them
• 26:20
  or physically fight them,
• 26:22
  but mentally would ask questions.
• 26:24
  And it really just kind of like spoke to this target demographic
• 26:29
  that people would go after,
• 26:32
  which are people who are making educated questioning
• 26:35
  and things like that.
• 26:36
  - Yeah, anybody willing to stand up and like fight back
• 26:39
  and actually question the things that they see
• 26:41
  around them for sure.
• 26:42
  - And it's like right now,
• 26:43
  we're they're trying to dismantle
• 26:44
  at the Department of Education.
• 26:46
  And we've stuck up a thing where everybody just,
• 26:49
  you know, somehow thinks that Dr. Fauci was an evil person.
• 26:53
  - Am I right?
• 26:54
  - I had a, I mean, it's just yesterday at my work,
• 26:58
  we have like a meeting every night
• 26:59
  and there's this older guy, he's like in his 70s.
• 27:02
  And he started saying some outlandish COVID conspiracies.
• 27:07
  I'm like, dude, it's 2025.
• 27:09
  - Yeah, man, get a new conspiracy, come on.
• 27:13
  - Maybe don't though, 'cause I don't want to see
• 27:15
  what they come up with next.
• 27:17
  (laughing)
• 27:18
  - This guy has all these alt right conspiracy
• 27:22
  of the party. - He's a gate bullshit.
• 27:24
  Yeah.
• 27:25
  - But he was, he scared me because I corrected him
• 27:29
  and he was yelling at me.
• 27:32
  Like I literally felt like a little kid all of a sudden.
• 27:36
  I was just like,
• 27:37
  - I hate that feeling.
• 27:38
  I hate that. - He got that crazy eyes going.
• 27:40
  - My boss had to like calm him down
• 27:42
  because he was just going off like crazy.
• 27:44
  You know, that's the type of thing
• 27:47
  where people get so baked into their conspiracies.
• 27:50
  - They're confronted with the truth
• 27:52
  and don't know how to handle it, right?
• 27:54
  And it's like, and then we get,
• 27:57
  it's very rare as an adult that you get yelled at like that.
• 28:01
  Right?
• 28:01
  So that's why you're like, oh God,
• 28:02
  you start to feel like a kid again.
• 28:03
  But then you have to be like, wait a minute, I'm right.
• 28:06
  Wait a minute.
• 28:07
  (laughing)
• 28:08
  - I was like, this guy's the dumbass.
• 28:09
  - And he's like yelling at me and I'm like,
• 28:11
  my parents never even yelled at me like this.
• 28:13
  - Yeah.
• 28:13
  (laughing)
• 28:14
  - It's like when the truth is right in front of you.
• 28:17
  It reminds me of that movie, don't look up.
• 28:20
  That came out two years ago and God,
• 28:23
  that was for the most fucking frustrating movie
• 28:25
  I've seen in so long because the truth is literally
• 28:29
  just right there if you raise your head and look at it.
• 28:31
  But that was such a conversation of just,
• 28:34
  you know, the MAGA movement too,
• 28:36
  that it's just like it's right there guys.
• 28:38
  Come on.
• 28:39
  - Yeah, you can, I mean, my father who is in his late 70's,
• 28:44
  he's very much a Trump supporter and he,
• 28:48
  I will tell him something and he, I'll show him facts
• 28:53
  and he's like, are you sure that wasn't like AI or something?
• 28:59
  And I'm like, you don't even understand how AI works.
• 29:02
  (laughing)
• 29:04
  - But then when they see something that is AI,
• 29:06
  like a picture of Jesus surrounded by like ducks
• 29:08
  and scarlet joeants and they're like,
• 29:10
  oh, hashtag blessed.
• 29:11
  Amen.
• 29:12
  - Comment amen for blessings.
• 29:14
  - Yes.
• 29:15
  - Okay.
• 29:16
  (laughing)
• 29:18
  - Jesus is just hanging out with an Avenger.
• 29:20
  Yeah, they're basically.
• 29:21
  - Yeah.
• 29:22
  (laughing)
• 29:23
  - Oh, hashtag blessings.
• 29:24
  I got that viral video a couple years ago where she's like,
• 29:27
  mom, mom, they found Jesus, he came back and the mom's like,
• 29:31
  she'll be the video.
• 29:32
  I want to see you.
• 29:33
  - Show it to me right now.
• 29:34
  - Yeah.
• 29:35
  - She starts a weepie.
• 29:36
  - Oh my God.
• 29:38
  - Sometimes I regret the day we,
• 29:40
  we taught parents how to access Facebook and Instagram.
• 29:43
  - How to internet.
• 29:44
  - Yeah, how to internet.
• 29:45
  Like, would we have been better off
• 29:48
  would this have ever happened?
• 29:49
  That's like that butterfly effect of,
• 29:51
  if we just didn't give them the information,
• 29:54
  like would this have ever happened?
• 29:56
  But, you know.
• 29:57
  - It was like a year ago that my dad found out
• 29:59
  that there was more to the internet than Facebook.
• 30:02
  - Oh gosh.
• 30:04
  I can actually look at facts on here.
• 30:06
  - I can.
• 30:07
  - He's like, he just thought that the internet was Facebook
• 30:09
  and I'm just like, that's adorable.
• 30:12
  - You sweet, sweet summer child.
• 30:14
  (laughing)
• 30:16
  - Good man.
• 30:18
  It can be used for good, it can be used for evil.
• 30:20
  It's like, yeah, honestly, anything
• 30:23
  because there's been so many ways
• 30:25
  that I've organized over Facebook
• 30:27
  for progressive movements and causes
• 30:29
  and for abortion rights over the summer
• 30:31
  and then it can be used to spread some fascism
• 30:35
  and some visitors style propaganda.
• 30:39
  - Yeah, and this movie, let's what's said,
• 30:42
  this mini series or movie or what I'm gonna call it,
• 30:44
  it's a very poignant,
• 30:47
  I actually think people should watch it.
• 30:49
  - I totally agree.
• 30:51
  - But it's available, I mean, it's on Plex
• 30:52
  or something that's where I found it.
• 30:53
  - Plexi, me too, yeah.
• 30:55
  - Something's like a film.
• 30:57
  - You've been in prime video, I think.
• 30:58
  - Oh, Plex and Prime, okay.
• 30:59
  - Like, I think I'm a prime, you have to pay for it.
• 31:02
  - Oh.
• 31:03
  - Pretty sure, but yeah, so yeah.
• 31:04
  - Plex, pluck it up.
• 31:05
  - Yeah.
• 31:06
  (laughing)
• 31:07
  - Yeah.
• 31:08
  - Well, I definitely recommend it to anybody who,
• 31:11
  I don't know, anybody who's a fan of sci-fi
• 31:14
  or who just, I mean, anything that you've listened to
• 31:17
  I say and you go, okay, yeah, that sounds like something
• 31:19
  that I would be interested in wanna support too.
• 31:22
  Check out V, 1983.
• 31:25
  Watch a lady swallow a guinea pig hole.
• 31:28
  - It's hot.
• 31:28
  - It's hot.
• 31:29
  - It's what's metal.
• 31:30
  (laughing)
• 31:31
  - That's it, just watch that.
• 31:32
  - Honestly, like Diana just, oh, so beautiful.
• 31:36
  - Take that part.
• 31:37
  - So beautiful, but so beautiful.
• 31:39
  - So evil and so beautiful.
• 31:41
  - Yes.
• 31:41
  - Sometimes I go hand in hand, you know?
• 31:43
  - Yes.
• 31:44
  - Yeah.
• 31:45
  (laughing)
• 31:47
  (dramatic music)
• 31:50
  - So besides old 1983 mini series,
• 31:56
  what else have you been into lately, you guys?
• 31:59
  What are you watching, reading, listening to?
• 32:02
  - Yeah, so on the note of anti-science,
• 32:06
  I actually have been watching this new Netflix TV show.
• 32:11
  It's called Apple cider vinegar.
• 32:15
  It's also based on this documentary
• 32:19
  or this woman named Belle Gibson, who in the 2010s,
• 32:24
  she came to popularity over being an influencer
• 32:28
  on Instagram who had a malignant brain tumor
• 32:33
  and cured herself via juice.
• 32:38
  - Jesus.
• 32:39
  (laughing)
• 32:40
  - And so she built this huge brand.
• 32:43
  - Olivia put cured herself in quotes, by the way,
• 32:45
  for anyone just listening.
• 32:47
  - Yes.
• 32:47
  - Heavy finger parts.
• 32:49
  - She used to use herself.
• 32:50
  - Yes, yes.
• 32:51
  And so it's, she really blew up.
• 32:54
  She had an app called The Whole Pantry
• 32:56
  and really was one of these like original wellness,
• 33:00
  health gurus who built a brand around it
• 33:03
  and then created like a productized service.
• 33:05
  She was very, very well known.
• 33:07
  She was an Australian influencer.
• 33:09
  And ultimately it came out that she lied
• 33:13
  about having cancer, the entire time.
• 33:15
  - I shocked.
• 33:16
  - Right, exactly.
• 33:18
  And so the documentary kind of tells the story
• 33:21
  of how she did it, how like she was found out
• 33:24
  and all this stuff.
• 33:26
  And then Apple cider vinegar is based on that
• 33:29
  and that Netflix made it.
• 33:30
  And it's a dramatized version of that story.
• 33:33
  I'm only a few episodes in so far,
• 33:36
  but it's really, really good.
• 33:37
  I like the way that they do it.
• 33:39
  They kind of break the fourth wall
• 33:41
  and have each of the characters talk to the camera
• 33:43
  and kind of be like a, you know,
• 33:47
  sly bag style, I would say.
• 33:49
  And it's really, really good.
• 33:51
  And so I would definitely pop that.
• 33:53
  And then Netflix is just putting out
• 33:55
  some crazy documentaries right now.
• 33:57
  - Yeah.
• 33:58
  - Did you watch the Gabby Patsito one?
• 34:00
  - Yes, I do.
• 34:01
  - I knew you'd would, I knew you would.
• 34:03
  That was good.
• 34:04
  But they actually just came out with this documentary
• 34:07
  called Chaos, a Manson murder story.
• 34:10
  I think this one is called Manson Murners.
• 34:12
  And it's based on this book called Chaos by Tom O'Neill.
• 34:16
  And the book itself alleges that Charles Manson
• 34:21
  was a part of the MK Ultra Study
• 34:24
  and that he was actually used by the CIA
• 34:29
  to and taught these tactics.
• 34:31
  And that's ultimately how he gained divine control.
• 34:34
  I read the book, like four years ago.
• 34:36
  The book is amazing, Chaos by Tom O'Neill.
• 34:39
  And the documentary is based on that book.
• 34:42
  It's super interesting.
• 34:44
  It goes into how Charles Manson was connected
• 34:47
  to Jolly West, or Dr. Jolly West,
• 34:50
  who's really big in the MK Ultra side.
• 34:52
  And very, very interesting.
• 34:54
  If you don't wanna read a, you know,
• 34:56
  a 24 or 12 hour book, then you can watch the documentary.
• 35:00
  And it can be--
• 35:01
  - Michael Olivia reads like 45 books a month.
• 35:03
  It's insane.
• 35:04
  (laughing)
• 35:05
  - Hey, I'm on 18 books this year so far.
• 35:09
  - Sure.
• 35:10
  - I've been an avid reader, but--
• 35:13
  - Far more than me too.
• 35:14
  - Yeah.
• 35:15
  (laughing)
• 35:16
  - I think, I mean, I find Manson is interesting too.
• 35:18
  It's like, I know he has connections to Scientology too.
• 35:22
  So-- - Yes.
• 35:23
  - So yeah, it's really interesting.
• 35:25
  - There's an author, I think, I don't know if it's in Blue Sky,
• 35:30
  but there's an author who wrote Blue Sky.
• 35:33
  I can't remember his name right now,
• 35:34
  but he makes a big argument that he wasn't a part of MK Ultra.
• 35:39
  He was actually a part of Scientology.
• 35:41
  - Which I've never heard that conspiracy before.
• 35:44
  I don't know if that's what you wanna call it,
• 35:45
  but that's interesting.
• 35:47
  - Which is so scary to think, like,
• 35:49
  oh, we just have this air quote, religion
• 35:52
  that is so similar to a CIA Mind Control program.
• 35:57
  - Right, that's so many rich and famous people follow.
• 36:00
  - Yes, exactly.
• 36:01
  So I would definitely pop those.
• 36:03
  It was really, really interesting to see a manipulation
• 36:07
  and then ultimately, you know, denying of science
• 36:11
  for both of those.
• 36:12
  So, oh, God.
• 36:14
  You watched all this, like, deep shit.
• 36:16
  Mind's not gonna be--
• 36:17
  (laughing)
• 36:19
  (laughing)
• 36:21
  Well, now that we got the smart junkie out of the way,
• 36:25
  I watched the first two episodes of Daredevil Born again
• 36:29
  on Disney Plus.
• 36:31
  I am a huge Marvel fan girl.
• 36:35
  Like, I will consume any and all of the MCU
• 36:39
  and be an apologist for most of it.
• 36:42
  But for those who don't know, Daredevil Born again is,
• 36:47
  there was a devil series on Netflix.
• 36:50
  It's gosh, 10 years ago, that was amazing.
• 36:54
  And after the invention of Disney Plus,
• 36:59
  those Netflix shows for a minute kind of seemed
• 37:02
  like they weren't gonna be canon.
• 37:04
  And now they are.
• 37:05
  And we've seen Matt Murdock, a K.A. Daredevil,
• 37:08
  make his way back into the MCU.
• 37:11
  And so finally, this is his revival slash continuation
• 37:15
  of his story that we left off
• 37:18
  when the Daredevil show stopped on Netflix.
• 37:21
  The first two episodes, I will not spoil it
• 37:23
  for anybody who hasn't watched yet.
• 37:25
  Start with a bang, they go, just hit the ground running.
• 37:29
  It's insane.
• 37:31
  - Would you think about the beginning
• 37:32
  that I'm not gonna spoil either?
• 37:34
  That had--
• 37:35
  - I was devastated, but I called it.
• 37:39
  I told my husband before we even started it.
• 37:42
  I was like, I feel like blank, any blank, blank,
• 37:44
  skin of blank.
• 37:45
  And he's like, why do you think that?
• 37:47
  I just got like a feeling.
• 37:51
  (laughs)
• 37:52
  What did you think about it?
• 37:54
  - I knew it was gonna happen.
• 37:56
  I had a feeling and then I was disappointed though
• 37:59
  at the same time.
• 38:00
  I was like, okay, but yeah, it's Marvel.
• 38:03
  They'll do what they do.
• 38:04
  - They will do what they do.
• 38:05
  There is also a comic book storyline
• 38:08
  where that is--
• 38:11
  - Part of the first.
• 38:12
  (laughs)
• 38:12
  - Part of the first.
• 38:13
  - Yeah, like how do I say this without spoiling it?
• 38:16
  So maybe they'll go that way.
• 38:17
  - Hopefully they do.
• 38:18
  I mean, who knows?
• 38:19
  - Yeah, I hope so.
• 38:21
  - I'm not supposed to happen in season two with that,
• 38:24
  but so yeah.
• 38:25
  (laughs)
• 38:25
  - Oh God, I love that we both know exactly
• 38:28
  what we're talking about, but try to so hard not to spoil it.
• 38:31
  - I have anything, but yeah.
• 38:33
  (laughs)
• 38:34
  - Yeah, I was actually gonna,
• 38:35
  I was gonna actually mention that
• 38:37
  as something I've watched recently,
• 38:38
  but also more on the line of faking cancer.
• 38:42
  I watched Scamanda.
• 38:44
  - What's that?
• 38:46
  - Documentary on Hulu.
• 38:48
  I think it was on ABC or something,
• 38:49
  but I had listened to the podcast years ago when it came out.
• 38:54
  It's about this woman who was like a internet blogger.
• 38:59
  I think it was before like Vity.
• 39:04
  - There were influence services.
• 39:05
  - Yeah, influence her.
• 39:06
  And she faked having cancer for years
• 39:11
  and got all this money out of people.
• 39:13
  They would pay for trips to her to go to Broadway
• 39:16
  and see Hamilton and whatnot.
• 39:19
  - Oh my God.
• 39:19
  - For that.
• 39:20
  Yeah, and she just faked this whole thing for years and years
• 39:25
  and got a lot of money out of people at her church
• 39:28
  and different things.
• 39:29
  It was interesting that that was interesting.
• 39:32
  And then I also watched another documentary.
• 39:36
  It was about this, oh my God, about this woman who's in jail now.
• 39:42
  I can't remember the name of the documentary,
• 39:43
  but it was about this woman who was another,
• 39:46
  she was a mom influencer online with a family blogging.
• 39:49
  - Oh, Ruby Frankie.
• 39:51
  - Ruby Frankie, that's it.
• 39:52
  I was blanking the name.
• 39:53
  Yeah, I watched the documentary about her and oh my God.
• 39:56
  - Does she fake cancer too?
• 39:58
  - No, she abuses her children.
• 40:00
  - Oh God.
• 40:02
  - So horrible.
• 40:03
  - Yeah, we watch all of these.
• 40:04
  These all sound fascinating and terrible
• 40:06
  and I wanna watch them all.
• 40:08
  (laughing)
• 40:09
  - God, that's horrible.
• 40:10
  I have to watch it again.
• 40:11
  - I watched that.
• 40:12
  Well, I think of this documentary from back in the day
• 40:16
  that I, back in the day, was probably like 10 years ago.
• 40:19
  Called The Woman Who Wasn't There.
• 40:22
  - Oh yeah, yeah.
• 40:24
  - Yes, oh my God, I love you.
• 40:25
  If you haven't watched this one,
• 40:26
  she has this whole fake ass story
• 40:29
  that she was in one of the towers of September 11
• 40:33
  with a plane hit.
• 40:34
  And she gets tons of money, tons of sympathy
• 40:38
  and runs a charity for survivors of September 11th.
• 40:42
  And as the title suggests, she was not there.
• 40:46
  - Yes, yeah, I have seen that.
• 40:47
  Crazy.
• 40:48
  For people are, you know.
• 40:49
  - I love stories about scammers and people that fake things,
• 40:53
  even though I think it's horrible that they do this,
• 40:55
  but it's really intriguing.
• 40:58
  Yeah.
• 40:59
  - I think it's like, how do you get to that point?
• 41:02
  Like I am someone who is obsessed with colds.
• 41:05
  And I just find it so interesting, like manipulation.
• 41:09
  And it's also like, how do you get manipulated like that?
• 41:12
  And then also what type of person can manipulate
• 41:15
  in that way?
• 41:16
  I think it's just so interesting.
• 41:17
  And I think scammers really follow into that,
• 41:20
  but on like a one-to-one basis as well.
• 41:23
  - Everything that you just said brought us right back to V.
• 41:26
  - Yeah.
• 41:27
  (laughing)
• 41:27
  - Right back to V.
• 41:28
  Who scams?
• 41:30
  Who has the power to manipulate people like that over time?
• 41:34
  - And that is the visitors.
• 41:37
  - Yeah.
• 41:38
  - I also recently listened to a podcast.
• 41:41
  It's called The Opportunist,
• 41:42
  which they have different seasons,
• 41:43
  but in this one was about Tim Ballard,
• 41:45
  the Operation Underground Railroad guy who, yeah.
• 41:50
  - Yeah, it's a--
• 41:52
  (laughing)
• 41:53
  - The guy trying to fight petafiles who,
• 41:57
  and you know.
• 41:58
  - The movie sound different.
• 41:59
  - It's actually harassing people.
• 42:00
  - Yeah.
• 42:01
  - Oh my gosh.
• 42:02
  I am not familiar with this.
• 42:04
  - Interesting.
• 42:05
  - If you wanna go down the craziest rabbit hole.
• 42:08
  So Mormon Stories podcast does a whole series
• 42:13
  about Tim Ballard and who he's connected to
• 42:17
  within the Mormon church.
• 42:18
  And then he's like two or three degrees separated
• 42:22
  from Laurie Valow and Chad Daybell,
• 42:26
  as well as Jody Hildebrand,
• 42:28
  who's the therapist for Ruby Frankie.
• 42:31
  - Like you get, you see the spider graph of Mormon,
• 42:36
  Mormon like influencers,
• 42:38
  and ultimately like Doomsday individuals.
• 42:42
  And yeah, it's crazy.
• 42:44
  Mormon Stories has some really good ones.
• 42:45
  I'll have to check out The Opportunist,
• 42:47
  but yeah, he's a crazy person.
• 42:50
  - Yeah, my ex-Fiancé was raised Mormon
• 42:53
  and she used to tell me all these crazy stories
• 42:55
  about just growing up Mormon and, yeah,
• 42:59
  - Yeah.
• 42:59
  - It's wild.
• 43:00
  - It's sadly like abused by some people in church
• 43:03
  and different things like that, yeah.
• 43:04
  So yeah, just.
• 43:05
  - My dad's, for my mom's side of the family,
• 43:07
  was raised Mormon.
• 43:09
  - So it's my dad's family.
• 43:11
  - Yeah, yeah.
• 43:12
  - Like at all us.
• 43:13
  - Yeah.
• 43:14
  - Could have been Mormons.
• 43:15
  - Oh, yeah.
• 43:16
  (laughing)
• 43:17
  - So if you wanna watch some really messed up documentaries,
• 43:20
  this is the episode video.
• 43:21
  - This is the Andeer Devil, Andeer Devil.
• 43:24
  - Andeer Devil.
• 43:24
  - Andeer Devil.
• 43:25
  - I would say Palette Cleanser,
• 43:27
  but I don't think those first two episodes
• 43:29
  are Palette Cleanser for anything.
• 43:30
  Here's a great Palette Cleanser to close out the episode though.
• 43:34
  Lady Gaga just dropped LG7.
• 43:37
  It is a new album called Mayhem.
• 43:40
  ♪ And it is a banger ♪
• 43:42
  It's full of bangers.
• 43:43
  It's like Synth Pop 80s dance.
• 43:48
  I mean, I can't wait to go to the gay clubs and just dance.
• 43:51
  - She was great on FNL recently
• 43:53
  when she hosted musical guest, so.
• 43:56
  - Oh, yeah.
• 43:57
  - I still haven't gotten to watch it.
• 43:59
  I've just been so busy the last couple days.
• 44:02
  I need me and my husband to just sit down
• 44:03
  and just watch it.
• 44:05
  - Are you even a little monster?
• 44:06
  - I know.
• 44:08
  And I've been trying to avoid spoilers
• 44:10
  so that anytime I see it come up on Instagram,
• 44:12
  I scroll fast because I'm like,
• 44:13
  "We have to watch it together."
• 44:15
  (laughing)
• 44:17
  So you like Lady Gaga?
• 44:18
  I'm like,
• 44:19
  - A little bit.
• 44:20
  - Yeah.
• 44:21
  - I've had,
• 44:22
  you know, I'm not like a Lady Gaga fanatical monster.
• 44:26
  - Yeah, a little monster.
• 44:28
  No, I've just, you know, I like her,
• 44:30
  but I don't like love her.
• 44:33
  - I feel that.
• 44:34
  So I am a huge fan.
• 44:36
  Olivia feels that way about Taylor Swift.
• 44:39
  And she's kind of,
• 44:41
  she's converted me.
• 44:42
  - You might see her in the background, honestly.
• 44:45
  - Yeah.
• 44:46
  - I'm a stand of Taylor Swift.
• 44:48
  Shauna's a stand of Lady Gaga.
• 44:51
  And we've slowly made each other kind of meet in the middle.
• 44:53
  - This is true.
• 44:54
  - This is her friendship.
• 44:56
  And we both very much stand Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
• 44:59
  So, how can you not?
• 45:01
  - Original Girl Crush.
• 45:02
  - And that's speaking of my, my, my ex-fiancé.
• 45:05
  I'm so mad that she stole my angel
• 45:07
  and Buffy the Vampire Slayer DVDs when we broke up.
• 45:10
  - No.
• 45:11
  - That's the worst, man.
• 45:12
  - No.
• 45:13
  - Yeah.
• 45:14
  - Go get those back.
• 45:16
  When me and my roommate in college,
• 45:18
  hi, Jessica, love you.
• 45:19
  We, we bought them together.
• 45:21
  And then when we eventually, you know, met men and moved out.
• 45:24
  - Yeah.
• 45:25
  - I took like, she took seasons one through three.
• 45:28
  And I took like four, five, six.
• 45:29
  It makes no sense.
• 45:31
  We just split down the middle like parent trap style.
• 45:34
  (laughing)
• 45:35
  - Yeah.
• 45:36
  (laughing)
• 45:39
  - Well, I think it is about time for us to wrap up.
• 45:43
  So, thank you again so much, Michael.
• 45:46
  It was so nice to chat with you.
• 45:48
  - No problem.
• 45:49
  Thank you for having me.
• 45:50
  - Yeah.
• 45:51
  We need to do this again sometime.
• 45:53
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• 45:56
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• 45:58
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• 46:00
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• 46:03
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• 46:06
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• 46:11
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• 46:16
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• 46:17
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• 46:20
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• 46:23
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• 46:24
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• 46:28
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• 46:31
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• 46:32
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• 46:33
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