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#645 November Book Club · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the
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  Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, provocative title. Some people will be offended
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  Speaker 2: that I've picked it up and read it and talked
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  Speaker 2: about it. But I really love to understand what's going
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  Speaker 2: on and why people are having the reactions to books
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  Speaker 2: that they're having.
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  Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum
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  Speaker 1: and dad.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I think today, Kylie, we're going to have a
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  Speaker 2: fairly controversial and provocative book club. It's just a feeling
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  Speaker 2: that I've got based on the book that you have
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  Speaker 2: in your hand of the book that I have in mind.
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  Speaker 2: For those of you who are knew to the podcast, welcome,
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  Speaker 2: So great to have you listening. We so very much
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  Speaker 2: appreciate you being here. My name's doctor Justin couson On,
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  Speaker 2: the founder of Happy Families dot com dot IU and
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  Speaker 2: the host of Channel miand's Parental Guidance Season two coming
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  Speaker 2: soon in twenty twenty three. I mean with Kylie mum
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  Speaker 2: to our six daughters. We've been married since the late
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  Speaker 2: nineteen nineties and we've got six kids. Our youngest is
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  Speaker 2: aged eight, our oldest has moved out and married. Second
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  Speaker 2: one leaves home in a couple of weeks off a
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  Speaker 2: couple of months, A couple of months. I shouldn't wish
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  Speaker 2: those days away. That's of same. Shortly after Christmas, Kylie.
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  Speaker 2: Every month, on usually the fourth Thursday of the months,
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  Speaker 2: we do a podcast episode that has nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with parenting at all. It's book club, just the books
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  Speaker 2: that we've been reading. So you and I both avid readers,
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  Speaker 2: both read sort of thirty forty even fifty books a year.
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  Speaker 2: How many are you up to now? Thirty four thirty four?
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  Speaker 2: That is good going. A lot of fiction in there, though,
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  Speaker 2: right you've read a lot.
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  Speaker 3: There's probably more than half. You make it sound like
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  Speaker 3: it's been an easy read for me to read thirty
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  Speaker 3: four books on those I've got fiction.
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  Speaker 2: It's great going.
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  Speaker 3: But I have never read this many books.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really awesome. It's so good, and I love
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  Speaker 2: reading these books because they expect even fiction. It expands
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  Speaker 2: your vision, it changes your perspective, it opens you up
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  Speaker 2: to new worlds, new ways of thinking. It's fabulous. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just checking my book reviews list right now and I've
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  Speaker 2: just finished my thirty third book for the year. So
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  Speaker 2: but I've written too. I've written too, so they well,
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  Speaker 2: I just haven't had as much time to read this
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  Speaker 2: year as I normally would read. So you want to
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  Speaker 2: go through two today, I want to go through one.
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  Speaker 2: Which one are you going to start with?
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  Speaker 3: I'll look, I'll get that Sugar book out of the way.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So this is based on a well, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if it's based on a film. But the guy's
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  Speaker 2: name is Damon. I don't know how to say his
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  Speaker 2: last name, Gamom. I'm going to say Gamo. It sounds French.
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  Speaker 2: And he had a movie that came out a little
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  Speaker 2: while ago called that Sugar Film, which I remember watching
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  Speaker 2: on an aeroplane once and thinking, oh, I've got to
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  Speaker 2: give up Sugar. That was so good.
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  Speaker 3: So they've just taken the findings from that documentary and
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  Speaker 3: made it into a really palatable book.
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  Speaker 2: Like I see what you've done there because of that
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  Speaker 2: Sugar book. It's really palatable. Very did you do that
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  Speaker 2: on purpose?
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm not that. I'm not that quick.
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  Speaker 2: You are brilliant and you don't even know it. That's
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  Speaker 2: what's going on, So tell us about it.
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  Speaker 3: So for those of you who know nothing about it,
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  Speaker 3: the Sugar film was basically this guy who decided that
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  Speaker 3: he wanted to see the damage that sugar was doing
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  Speaker 3: in real time, so he took it upon himself to
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  Speaker 3: eat the average Americans sugar intake in one day, okay,
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  Speaker 3: which is forty teaspoons of sugar.
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  Speaker 2: That is a lot of sugar. If I saw one
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  Speaker 2: of my kids put forty teaspoons of sugar on their whetpicks,
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  Speaker 2: I would go apopleptic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And the interesting thing is though he had specific
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  Speaker 3: rules that he had to work with. Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 3: so he had to consume forty tea spoons. Absolutely had
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  Speaker 3: to consume forty but they had to be hidden sugars
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  Speaker 3: found in healthy foods and verted capcommas and drinks such
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  Speaker 3: as breakfast cereals, musley bars, and juices. He wasn't allowed
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  Speaker 3: to have any soft drink, ice cream, confectionery or chocolate.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: So we're talking like we're taking out all of the
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  Speaker 3: bad stuff again and inverted.
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  Speaker 2: Cos he's still getting fortyty tea speans.
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  Speaker 3: So the sugar musk consists of sous cross or fruit
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  Speaker 3: doss specifically where they added or naturally occurring. And even
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  Speaker 3: though carbohydrates like bread, break down into a type of sugar.
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  Speaker 3: They were not counted, so he had he always had
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  Speaker 3: to choose low fat foods, and he had to maintain exercise, right,
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  Speaker 3: So that were the rules that he worked on. So
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  Speaker 3: you think about it, you've taken out ice cream, confectionery, chocolate,
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  Speaker 3: and soft drink out of the equation. And what astounded
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  Speaker 3: me was on his final day he consumed the average
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  Speaker 3: child's lunch box. That was his final meal, and without
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  Speaker 3: even trying, there was forty tea spoons of sugar in it.
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  Speaker 2: So we're talking was the average sochild's lunchbox a sandwich.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, sandwich with like peanut butter
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  Speaker 2: or jam or something, maybe a.
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  Speaker 3: Little box of sultanas so dried.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of on the healthiest side, I would
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  Speaker 2: have thought, but obviously kind of sugary, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, A popper some fruit bites.
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  Speaker 2: Ofstly bar so those who are overseasoned don't to popper
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  Speaker 2: is in America a juice box? Yeah yeah, So when
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  Speaker 2: he musically bars, you said, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 3: So when he broke it down, do you know how
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  Speaker 3: much sugar is in the in a just juice, juice
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  Speaker 3: box or popper?
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess like they're two hundred and fifty mils.
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  Speaker 2: So now that you said what you said on knowing
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  Speaker 2: that juice is pretty sugary, I'm going to guess like
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  Speaker 2: eight to ten teaspoons.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so in one liter of a just juice box.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so that's four of them. Five holy smokes.
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  Speaker 3: That's a lot of gatorade.
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  Speaker 2: But if it's if it's in fruit juice, isn't it healthy?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know, anyone who's got a nutrition degree
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  Speaker 2: or a nutrition qualification or a dietetics degree right now
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  Speaker 2: is probably screaming at the speakers saying, just stick to psychology,
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  Speaker 2: justin you don't know what you're saying. But this is
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  Speaker 2: why we do this book club, right Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So he talks about the fact that we think that
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  Speaker 3: you know, for instance, that the sultan is in a
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  Speaker 3: box is a really healthy snack, right yeah. But when
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  Speaker 3: he counted out how many sultanas were in the box,
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  Speaker 3: there was ninety one.
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  Speaker 2: Ninety one sultana is botanas in a box.
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  Speaker 3: He tried to eat ninety one grapes and he couldn't
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  Speaker 3: get past twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: That's a lot of grapes.
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  Speaker 3: So it's the saturation point. It's the fact that when
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  Speaker 3: it's packaged in a certain way, we can eat so
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  Speaker 3: much more.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 3: Juice is a really good example of this, because if
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  Speaker 3: you juice four oranges, you're not getting the equivalent of
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  Speaker 3: four oranges, because you've taken out five.
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  Speaker 2: You've just got You've only got the juice of the orange,
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  Speaker 2: not the rest of the orange.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, and so therefore you've got the equivalent of
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  Speaker 3: four oranges sugar.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would never sit down and eat four oranges.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly right. And so you know, usually you're not
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  Speaker 3: just having four oranges, right, and your juice, you're having
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  Speaker 3: all of the other bits and pieces with it. So
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  Speaker 3: you're adding all of that and consuming it in one sitting,
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  Speaker 3: as opposed to what you would do if you're eating
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  Speaker 3: the whole fruit over a whole day, for instance, or
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  Speaker 3: even over three or four days.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you've read that sugar book by Damon Gimo.
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  Speaker 2: What have you done? I mean, we're not having fruit
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  Speaker 2: juice in the mornings anymore. So I'm you're keeping me
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  Speaker 2: off sugar. How are you going getting off sugar?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not doing so well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm suffering here in your cheating. Is that what
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  Speaker 2: he's saying, We've talked about as a little bit read
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  Speaker 2: the book. It's affected me, and you're still living life.
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  Speaker 2: Is is that where we've landed.
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  Speaker 3: What I am noticing this is the one thing I
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  Speaker 3: am noticing.
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  Speaker 2: As you haven't answered my question, and you're.
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  Speaker 3: Noticing it as well, is that when we do eat sugar,
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  Speaker 3: and we're talking specifically about ice cream, confectionery, chocolate, that
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  Speaker 3: kind of stuff, we're noticing just how quickly our body
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  Speaker 3: responds yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So it blows my head off, and then I get
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  Speaker 2: super tired.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. And so he talks about all of that
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  Speaker 3: and just shares the experience that he had sixty days
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  Speaker 3: forty tea spoons of sugar a days, so much he
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  Speaker 3: put on eight and a half kilos.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, in two months, and he was still exercising, and
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't eating junk food.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and ten centimeters on his waistline, no way. And
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  Speaker 3: the one thing that blew everybody away in the experiment
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  Speaker 3: that within three weeks of him starting this diet he
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  Speaker 3: had developed fatty tissue in his liver, which is just astronomical.
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  Speaker 3: They had never seen such deterioration.
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  Speaker 2: So quickly, So he must have been a pretty healthy guy.
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  Speaker 3: Very healthy. Like when they did all of the pre tests,
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  Speaker 3: they literally said, you are in prime condition shape.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so out of five stars, what would you give it?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I'd give it a four. It was a really
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  Speaker 3: easy read there at times it kind of probably went
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  Speaker 3: a little bit over my head once he started getting
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  Speaker 3: a bit sciencey with me. But the overall arch of
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  Speaker 3: it was just really powerful. And we are talking about
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  Speaker 3: how we might implement So.
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  Speaker 2: What are we going to do about it? It's really tough,
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  Speaker 2: I know, like, it's really tough once.
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  Speaker 3: Year in a routine, and you've got kids involved who
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  Speaker 3: do or do not want to get involved, were not
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  Speaker 3: very entrenched in their eating habits.
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  Speaker 2: To me, the hardest thing, the hardest thing of all
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  Speaker 2: is the foods that he's talking about, the foods that
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  Speaker 2: you've described. They're convenient, they're quick and easy if you
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  Speaker 2: really truly want to eat well. Because we're not in
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  Speaker 2: the habit of it. I mean, I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: we're bad, but I don't think we're great either.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: It requires efforts, it.
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  Speaker 3: Does, and he acknowledges that he acknowledges that. So he
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  Speaker 3: showed a picture of what his just like, his fridge
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  Speaker 3: looked like before what he was doing, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: pretty much eating raw, a raw diet really, So he
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  Speaker 3: was superhlle cooked meats and just fruits and vegetables and nuts,
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  Speaker 3: and then what his fridge looked like once he went
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  Speaker 3: on the experiment. And I kind of looked and I went,
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  Speaker 3: looks like our pantry and fridge looked like that. And
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, for the most part, we eat a
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  Speaker 3: relatively healthy diet, but when you actually start looking at
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  Speaker 3: the labels, you recognize just how much sugar is in everything.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so we need to wrap up that book review
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  Speaker 2: of that sugar. That was a long review. We've only
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  Speaker 2: got five minutes to get through two more books, and
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  Speaker 2: I want four of those five minutes. So the book
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  Speaker 2: that I want to talk about is a provocative title.
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  Speaker 2: The background of this book, there's a guy by the
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  Speaker 2: name of Salmon Rushdi. He wrote the book in the
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  Speaker 2: late nineteen eighties, and the Iranian leader issued a fat wire.
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  Speaker 2: He said, if you find this guy, he's written a
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  Speaker 2: sacrilegious book about the prophet Muhammad, and you must kill him.
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  Speaker 2: So I've known that story since I was a kid,
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  Speaker 2: and I've never really had any interest in it. But
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  Speaker 2: a couple of months ago he was attacked on stage,
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  Speaker 2: I think in New York City, and it brought it
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  Speaker 2: back to my remembrance, and I thought, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: get the book. I'm the kind of guy that runs
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  Speaker 2: towards the fire. I like to know what people are
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  Speaker 2: talking about. I like to understand where the controversy lies
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  Speaker 2: and why. And I thought, I'm going to get the
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  Speaker 2: book and I'm going to have a read of it.
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  Speaker 2: The book is called The Satanic Verses by someone Rushdi.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I can accurately describe what the
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  Speaker 2: book is about. It's the hardest novel that I think
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  Speaker 2: I've ever read in my life. I mean, this book
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  Speaker 2: was really hard to read. And it transcends and transverses
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  Speaker 2: time and space. It's just a roller coaster. It's in
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  Speaker 2: so many it's ingenious. I mean, the guy has written
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  Speaker 2: an incredible book. But I don't know what to give
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  Speaker 2: it out of five because it was like it was painful.
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  Speaker 3: I was about to say, having been a witness to you,
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  Speaker 3: as you went through it, you would get so frustrated
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  Speaker 3: because you've been reading for so long and still hadn't
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  Speaker 3: got very far into the book.
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  Speaker 2: So the book has five hundred and fifty pages thereabout
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  Speaker 2: tiny print, and I got up to page three hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty before I finally went, ah, now I get it.
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  Speaker 2: And from page four hundred and fifty on I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: now I'm in. But it it made me work for it,
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  Speaker 2: but the payoff was huge. So I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: to rate the book because on one hand, I want
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  Speaker 2: to give it a one out of five. On the
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  Speaker 2: other hand, I want to give it a five out
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  Speaker 2: of five. But what I thought I would do to
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  Speaker 2: describe why I loved it is I've just I've highlighted
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  Speaker 2: just a handful of sentences on different pages as I
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  Speaker 2: was reading. I got to about page two hundred. I thought,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm going to review this book on the podcast,
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  Speaker 2: I've got to have something to say about it, and
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  Speaker 2: right now I don't know what I'm going to say
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  Speaker 2: about it. So I just started to dogg here. I
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  Speaker 2: only did it three or four times. In the entire book,
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  Speaker 2: pages where his writing was you could literally open any
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  Speaker 2: page and find writing like this. Let me share this
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  Speaker 2: with you here's a line from it. So the return
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  Speaker 2: of the butterflies lifted many spirits, but when the expected
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  Speaker 2: wonders failed to materialize, the locals sank back, little by
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  Speaker 2: little into the insufficiency of the day to day. The
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  Speaker 2: name of the zamindar's mansion, Peristan may have had its
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  Speaker 2: origins in the magical creature's fairy wings, and the village's
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  Speaker 2: name Titlerpur certainly did. But names, once they are in
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  Speaker 2: common use, quickly become mere sounds, their etymology being buried
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  Speaker 2: like so many of the earth's marvels, beneath the dust
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  Speaker 2: of habit and he uses metaphor. His writing is just majestic.
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  Speaker 2: I loved I love this line that he or this
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  Speaker 2: this paragraph, This is an entire paragraph. As he's describing
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  Speaker 2: what's happening in this city, water began to drip steadily
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  Speaker 2: through the dormal window. Outside in the treacherous city, A
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  Speaker 2: four had come, giving the streets the unreliable consistency of
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  Speaker 2: wet cardboard. Slow masses of whiteness slid from sloping, gray
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  Speaker 2: slate roofs. The footprints of delivery vans corrugated the slush.
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  Speaker 2: First light and the dawn chorus began, chattering of road drills,
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  Speaker 2: chirrup of burglar alarms, trumpeting of wheeled creatures clashing at corners,
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  Speaker 2: the deep whir of a large olive green garbage eater,
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  Speaker 2: screaming radio voices from a wooden painter's cradle, clinging to
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  Speaker 2: the upper story of a free house, roar of the
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  Speaker 2: great wakening juggernauts rushing awesomely down this long but narrow pathway.
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  Speaker 2: From beneath the earth came tremors, denoting the passage of
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  Speaker 2: huge subterranean worms, the devoured and regurgitated human beings, and
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  Speaker 2: from the skies the thrumb of choppers and the screech
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  Speaker 2: of higher gleaming birds. Just the way he describes what
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  Speaker 2: a morning looks like in a metropolitan city. His writing
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  Speaker 2: is incredible. Have listened to this. This is one of
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  Speaker 2: the main characters. Is in bed with his lover. The
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  Speaker 2: incompatibility of life's elements in its at Camp four twenty seven,
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  Speaker 2: six hundred feet. The idea, which seemed at times to
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  Speaker 2: be her father's damon, souted banal, emptied of meaning of
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  Speaker 2: atmosphere by the altitude everest silences you, She confessed to
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  Speaker 2: Jabriel Farishta in a bed above which parachute silk formed
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  Speaker 2: a canopy of hollow Himalayas. And isn't it just the
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  Speaker 2: writing is gorgeous. It's stunning. There's one more that I
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  Speaker 2: want to share because it really it took my breath
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  Speaker 2: away when I read it. It was just just so
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  Speaker 2: so powerful. There's a main character his father is dying
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  Speaker 2: and in the final moments here he has to go
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  Speaker 2: and be with his father at his deathbed, and there's
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  Speaker 2: just this beautiful line as he walks into the room
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  Speaker 2: and he's not he's really resenting the fact that he's there.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be there, he's not sure how
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  Speaker 2: to deal with it. And then there's this line, have
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  Speaker 2: to listen to this, punches delivered from a deathbed left
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  Speaker 2: bruises that faded. I don't know about you, but I
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  Speaker 2: hear lines like that and I think, wow, this, this
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  Speaker 2: is a gifted author. This is profound writing. And so
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  Speaker 2: once again I want to give it five out of
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  Speaker 2: five or more because the writing is extraordinary, but the
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  Speaker 2: story itself, oh my goodness, I had it was just
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  Speaker 2: such hard work. So that's my book review for The
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  Speaker 2: Satanic Versus Someone writes you. Like I said, provocative title.
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  Speaker 2: Some people will be offended that I've picked it up
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  Speaker 2: and read it and talked about it. But I really
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  Speaker 2: love to understand what's going on and why people are
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  Speaker 2: having the reactions to books that they're having. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: not a fan of book banning unless it's genuinely leading
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  Speaker 2: people to absolutely horrendously act in bad ways. And so
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  Speaker 2: that's why I read it, and I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: quite an extraordinary book, regardless of how hard I had
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: to work. What's your last one?
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  Speaker 3: So my last book was actually handed to me by
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: child number two. She came and she said, Mum, I
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: think you're going to love this book. It's called The
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Girl You Left Behind by Jojo Moyes. Another war story
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  Speaker 3: set in nineteen sixteen French artist and he leaves his
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: wife to go fight at the front line, and it's
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: just a story about her faith in their love and
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: his ability to work through things. It was devastating and
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  Speaker 3: just so powerful watching the ups and downs and the
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  Speaker 3: inhumanity of war and just love and even in spite
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  Speaker 3: of everything, seeing the goodness in what otherwise should be
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  Speaker 3: considered the enemy. And so for that I would give
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: it again probably four and a half stars. Absolutely loved
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: this read.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, we will link to each of those books
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: in the show notes. We hope that there has been
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: a useful book club podcast episode. That's going to be
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: the last one for this year. So any books that
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: we read between now and our next one in January,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: we're not going to be able. Kylie, We're going to
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: read so many books over Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: I was just thinking that and thinking, by the time
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: we actually do our next review, it's going to be
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: hard to pick one.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll only be able to pick a couple. But
• 17:08
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• 17:14
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