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Ken Rosenthal explains MLB’s escalating labor battle + Yankees #1 trade deadline need · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: It's the Inside Scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,
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  Speaker 1: good to see you. Okay, let's start on a happy
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  Speaker 1: note with labor talks. It's hard to do, but did
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  Speaker 1: we find a little bit of synergy between MLB owners
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  Speaker 1: and players in this first week of exchanged proposals? I
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  Speaker 1: liked the one paragraph to point out like a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of positive.
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  Speaker 2: Well, my belief is there is a sliver of hope
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  Speaker 2: based on one thing, which is both sides seem to
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  Speaker 2: be acknowledging something that MLB has of course talked about
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  Speaker 2: for a while, which is the small market teams need
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  Speaker 2: more revenue. And I don't know that anyone would dispute
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  Speaker 2: that who watches the sport no matter which side you're
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  Speaker 2: on here, players or owners, Clearly there needs to be
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  Speaker 2: something changed with regard to the way these teams get money,
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  Speaker 2: the small market teams, and yes, the way they spend
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  Speaker 2: it as well. So that's how I began my calum
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  Speaker 2: today with that being a sliver of hope. The problem is,
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  Speaker 2: and the problem that is going to persist for some
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  Speaker 2: time now, is that the two sides are not talking
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  Speaker 2: the same language.
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  Speaker 3: The owners want to cap the players.
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  Speaker 2: Do not want a cap, and the proposals are entirely
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  Speaker 2: different because the structures that they are pursuing are entirely different. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: the players want to maintain the status quo and the
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  Speaker 2: owners want to change it dramatically. So I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how that changes until at some point, and it's not
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  Speaker 2: going to be most likely for nine or ten months.
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  Speaker 2: One side says, Okay, we'll do your structure, and I
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  Speaker 2: just don't see that happening anytime soon.
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  Speaker 4: Is it scary that the PA said this is the
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  Speaker 4: most significant mentioning of a cap in the collective bargaining
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  Speaker 4: agreement since nineteen ninety four.
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  Speaker 2: That's true, It is the most significant, and we know
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  Speaker 2: what nineteen ninety four led to. And my fear here
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  Speaker 2: is that this is the we're going down, that the
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  Speaker 2: lockout that is inevitable come December first will eat into
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  Speaker 2: next season. And my position in this has been consistent.
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  Speaker 2: I believe there can be changes made to the current
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  Speaker 2: agreement that fall.
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  Speaker 3: Short of a cap.
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  Speaker 2: There are ways to address these various problems which exist,
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  Speaker 2: no question, that exist without having a salary cap. And
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  Speaker 2: I also do not believe salary cap is the answer.
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  Speaker 2: The magic bullet for competitive balance. We see this in
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  Speaker 2: other leagues as well. The teams that are run poorly
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  Speaker 2: still struggle, and the teams that are run well still
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  Speaker 2: do really well. Now, obviously a cap can level the
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  Speaker 2: economic playing field, and that needs to happen in our sport.
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  Speaker 2: I just believe there are other ways to do it.
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  Speaker 4: Do the owners truly believe when they say words like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: we hear the fans, we hear the fans that a
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  Speaker 4: salary cap will create that or are they just cherry
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  Speaker 4: picking it because of their you know that would that
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  Speaker 4: would be great for their pocket book? Because fans are
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  Speaker 4: also saying, we don't want to miss games, we don't
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  Speaker 4: want to lose games. But that's the owners are like
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  Speaker 4: talking out of this side of their mouth, and they're
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  Speaker 4: completely disregarding what the fans truly don't want, and what
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  Speaker 4: the players don't want is miss time.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, there are some fans at least they will say that, yes,
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  Speaker 2: it would be worth it to miss games to get
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  Speaker 2: another system in place. I don't necessarily believe fans when
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  Speaker 2: they say that because it's easy to say, and then
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  Speaker 2: once games are missed, everyone misses the sport. We love
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  Speaker 2: the sport that's why we are so passionate about this.
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  Speaker 2: But the owners are acting in the owner's best interests,
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  Speaker 2: and anyone who doesn't believe that is kidding themselves. And
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  Speaker 2: why is a salary cap in the owner's best interest
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  Speaker 2: because it fixes costs and almost inevitably raises franchise values. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you get more competitive balance as a side dish
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  Speaker 2: to the franchise values rising, great, And it just seems
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  Speaker 2: to me that they're using the competitive balance argument, which
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  Speaker 2: is debatable.
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  Speaker 3: Then okay, you're using that, but in the end, we
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  Speaker 3: know what you really want.
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  Speaker 2: It's latantly obvious what they really want, and that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: But to get that, they're gonna have to make some
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  Speaker 2: concessions to the players. And I don't even know if
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  Speaker 2: they can ever get to that point because the players
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  Speaker 2: so philosophically oppose a cap and have historically since they
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  Speaker 2: were formed as a union in I don't know, the
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  Speaker 2: early seventies, late sixties.
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  Speaker 6: You and I both know that, and you've said it before.
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  Speaker 5: The salary cap is most likely ninety nine point nine
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  Speaker 5: nine nine percent not going to happen. What would be
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  Speaker 5: the next thing MLB would want if they can't get
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  Speaker 5: a salary cap? What would be the most second most
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  Speaker 5: important thing you think they would want out of this
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  Speaker 5: whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Todd, I don't know that I would agree it's ninety
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  Speaker 2: nine point nine nine percent not gonna happen, but I
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  Speaker 2: do believe that it's still unlikely from a player in
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  Speaker 2: my expectation, the players are just vehemently opposed to this.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I wrote a whole story, I believe it was in
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  Speaker 2: February about how there are different mechanisms that can be employed.
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  Speaker 3: I believe I had five or six of them to
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  Speaker 3: ultimately fix some of these problems.
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  Speaker 2: What I suggested included increased revenue sharing and included a
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  Speaker 2: flexible salary floor soft floor, which is what was in
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  Speaker 2: the player's proposal. So it seems to me that once
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  Speaker 2: the owners get off this, if they do, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying they will, but if they do, they're going
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  Speaker 2: to want certain things too because they want things fixed.
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  Speaker 2: I would assume that would mean stiffer luxury tax penalties
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  Speaker 2: and thresholds, And I assume assume also that deferrals would
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  Speaker 2: be part of this. They maybe want to do something
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  Speaker 2: with that. There are all kinds of levers that can
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  Speaker 2: be pulled, it's just that the owners don't want to
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  Speaker 2: pull them right now. What they want is the cap,
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  Speaker 2: which in their mind would solve a ton of problems.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Well, then, then my question is you had
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  Speaker 4: a quote in your article you said for the hearts
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  Speaker 4: and mind. They're fighting for the hearts and minds of
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  Speaker 4: the fans through this. Do you think the PA has
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  Speaker 4: done enough in the pr battle because MLB and Rob
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  Speaker 4: Manfred has gone, oh, we're here for the fans. We
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  Speaker 4: hear you want competitive bounds. We hear that. We hear that,
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  Speaker 4: and the PA says nothing, We're not saying anything.
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  Speaker 2: No. Actually, see this most recent development where both sides
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  Speaker 2: released their proposals essentially as positive.
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  Speaker 3: In that regard for the PA, the PA has been.
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  Speaker 6: Like that in the past.
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  Speaker 3: We're not saying anything. No, that doesn't work.
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  Speaker 2: So it seems to me that they are being more
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  Speaker 2: active in trying to promote their position. Now what I
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  Speaker 2: see myself in comments on my articles and comments on
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  Speaker 2: x wherever is people dug in fans dug in the
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  Speaker 2: way people are dug in on politics and that there's
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  Speaker 2: no other side, there's no nuance, and that's the way
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  Speaker 2: our world is right now. It is with every topic,
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  Speaker 2: it's either black, white, and there's no in between.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously here there's.
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  Speaker 2: Going to have to be some in between at some point,
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  Speaker 2: and in my view, we need to get to that
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  Speaker 2: point before we miss games. And missing games would be
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  Speaker 2: at this stage of the sports evolution when so many
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  Speaker 2: good things have happened, and yes, good things have happened
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  Speaker 2: in part because of what the commissioner has driven the pitch.
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  Speaker 3: Clock for instance, and the abs. Now all of these things,
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  Speaker 3: they've done a lot of really good things, and that
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  Speaker 3: needs to be acknowledged. I just don't want them to.
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  Speaker 2: Screw it up, and I fear, frankly, both sides will
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  Speaker 2: be so dug in that they will screw this up.
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  Speaker 4: On Twitter, I got eviscerated AJ and pretty much any
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  Speaker 4: ex player has gotten eviscerated because well, of course you're
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  Speaker 4: against the cap as an ex player. I am also
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  Speaker 4: a fan of the game, and I want to see
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  Speaker 4: the game grow exponentially to be the greatest sport that
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  Speaker 4: I believe it is. What do I need to know
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  Speaker 4: about this whole process as an ex player that you
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  Speaker 4: feel like players sometimes miss because you're so informed. You
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  Speaker 4: and Ellen, Evan Drelk and everybody at the athletic You
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  Speaker 4: guys see it from a different lens as ex players do.
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  Speaker 4: What do we need to know that we can inform
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  Speaker 4: fans on besides the fact that fans are leaning towards
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  Speaker 4: billionaires and calling us greedy, and it's like, wait, oh, whoa, whoa,
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  Speaker 4: So what we need to know as ex players?
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  Speaker 2: In my opinion, what ex players would need to know
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  Speaker 2: is that, yes, there is a revenue disparity in the
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  Speaker 2: sport to where a team or a franchise like Cleveland
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  Speaker 2: or Tampa Bay or Pittsburgh is not economically even close
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  Speaker 2: to where the Dodgers, the Mets, the Yankees are. That's
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  Speaker 2: because of the sports historic nature. It doesn't have an
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  Speaker 2: economic model where all of the revenue is nationally driven
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  Speaker 2: or most of it is. The NFL is like that,
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  Speaker 2: most of the revenue is from the national television contracts.
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  Speaker 3: Baseball is locally driven. So you have this disparity.
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  Speaker 2: The disparity is wider than it's ever been, maybe not
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  Speaker 2: as wide as MLB advertised it. To me, when they
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  Speaker 2: include all the payments the teams make with luxury tax penalties.
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  Speaker 3: But it's wide. We all can acknowledge that. So what
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  Speaker 3: I would say to players or union officials or agents is,
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  Speaker 3: and I've said this, I've written this, that yes, there
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  Speaker 3: is a problem here, and the problem needs to be addressed.
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  Speaker 2: And one thing I took out of the union statement
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  Speaker 2: that I found encouraging, and this is how I began
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  Speaker 2: my story today, is that they seem to be recognizing.
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  Speaker 3: This is a problem.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the first things in the union statement
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  Speaker 2: is something saying we're going to get small market teams
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  Speaker 2: a minimum of two hundred and forty million dollars each MLB.
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  Speaker 2: Taking conception into what the union is proposing, they say
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  Speaker 2: it's actually not that good for small markets. Okay, they
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  Speaker 2: can fight all they want about that. That has to happen.
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  Speaker 2: This compression in some form has to happen. Now, does
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  Speaker 2: that require a cap I still say no. I still
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  Speaker 2: say you can make it tougher at the top, impose
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  Speaker 2: even harsher penalties that exist now in the luxury tax system,
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  Speaker 2: bring up the bottom and make penalties there too. If
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  Speaker 2: teams don't meet a certain level, which is essentially what
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  Speaker 2: the union is proposing that can happen.
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  Speaker 3: But that is what I would say.
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  Speaker 2: Players need to recognize that this is a problem, and
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  Speaker 2: it seems to me they are recognizing it now.
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  Speaker 3: How you address it.
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  Speaker 2: That is ultimately going to be where the rubber meets
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  Speaker 2: the road here and we'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: I'll conclude with my point that that ties into your story.
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  Speaker 1: So we get the twenty two page report from MLB,
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  Speaker 1: and I know you mentioned this. You know I'm paraphrasing
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, but part of it reads in a
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  Speaker 1: depressing way. Is the sport broken? I just have a
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  Speaker 1: hard time seeing that the sport being completely broken, like
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  Speaker 1: everything is auto. We know what's going to happen. Have
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  Speaker 1: the Dodgers had a nice run right now? Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: the Dodgers were run by Frank McCort like fifteen years ago,
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  Speaker 1: less than that, what twelve years ago, and they were
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  Speaker 1: a mess, they were laughing stock. Things can change very quickly,
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  Speaker 1: so this is some good timing to make a case
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  Speaker 1: like this. But even still, like are we not entertained?
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  Speaker 1: Was the World Series not competitive?
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  Speaker 6: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Stuff like that, And on the on the.
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  Speaker 3: Team side, Scott, Yeah, this drives me crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And for years, the way I've always understood the sport,
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  Speaker 2: and I started baseball riding in nineteen eighty seven, is
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  Speaker 2: that the regular season is the true measure of a
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  Speaker 2: team's quality.
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  Speaker 3: Of The playoffs are.
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  Speaker 2: The playoffs, and you only have one World Series champion,
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  Speaker 2: But what you do in the regular season matters, and
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  Speaker 2: the sport is even while expanding the playoffs, has largely
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  Speaker 2: been built around that. Now all of a sudden, oh
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  Speaker 2: my gosh, if you can't win the World Series, then
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  Speaker 2: the sport's broken. Well, okay, there has not been a
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  Speaker 2: small market team win since twenty fifteen, but my goodness,
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  Speaker 2: I'll say it again. The Dodgers were so close to
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  Speaker 2: getting knocked out in twenty four, the way they were
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  Speaker 2: knocked out in twenty three, d and knocked out in
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  Speaker 2: twenty two, And had they lost to the Padres in
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  Speaker 2: twenty four, and let's not forget they were down two
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: to one in San Diego throwing a bullpeng game. If
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  Speaker 2: they had not won that series, Dave Roberts gets fired
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  Speaker 2: and a whole lot is different. So what I look
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  Speaker 2: at with competitive balands is the success of Milwaukee and
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  Speaker 2: Cleveland and Tampa Bay almost a year after year their
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  Speaker 2: ability to compete in the regular season, and maybe one
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  Speaker 2: of these years they're going to be able to do
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  Speaker 2: it and go all the way through in the postseason. Now,
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  Speaker 2: does that mean the system is perfect and cannot be
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  Speaker 2: fixed or should not be fixed. No, I am not
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  Speaker 2: saying that. And again, I can't imagine anyone would say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: this is great right now, this is just perfect. It's
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  Speaker 2: not perfect, But does it need a salary cap that
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  Speaker 2: could cost us games in twenty seven to be rectified.
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  Speaker 2: I still believe the answer is no, and I will
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  Speaker 2: be always believing the answer is no.
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  Speaker 3: There are other ways, right.
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  Speaker 4: Last one for me, Ken is the proposal that Major
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  Speaker 4: League Baseball put out there truly a representation of the
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  Speaker 4: fact that all the owners are in agreeance that they're
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  Speaker 4: going to share local TV revenues equally with each other,
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  Speaker 4: because that is a big, huge part of it that
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, wait a minute, so this is new the
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  Speaker 4: Yankee if he said, okay, I'm totally fine with it.
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  Speaker 4: The Dodgers said, hey, we're getting ten times more than
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  Speaker 4: some of the other team's local revenues.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and that is part of this, and it is
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  Speaker 2: an incredibly meaningful part of this that this development has
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  Speaker 2: even taken place that Rob Manfregot it to this point
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  Speaker 2: with the owners where they are willing.
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  Speaker 3: To do this if there is a cap.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason the Dodgers and the Yankees and other
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  Speaker 2: teams in their positions with these incredible TV contracts would
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  Speaker 2: be willing to do it is because if you get
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  Speaker 2: a cap, you've got fixed costs and you know exactly
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  Speaker 2: what you're going to be spending, and there is a
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  Speaker 2: limit on what you're going to be spending. In the end,
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  Speaker 2: the Dodgers, Yankees, et cetera ultimately have it determined that
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  Speaker 2: that is a better financial equation for them than even
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  Speaker 2: what is going on now. Hard for me to put
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  Speaker 2: my arms around the Dodgers thinking that way because they're
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  Speaker 2: making so much money, But whether it's for the good
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  Speaker 2: of the sport or they just believe long term, this
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  Speaker 2: is the way it should be, that is the decision
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  Speaker 2: they've made. And I actually took to someone this morning
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  Speaker 2: who said, well, why don't they just share their revenue
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  Speaker 2: without a cap.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, that's not going.
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  Speaker 2: To happen because the enticement, it seems to me that
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  Speaker 2: MLB has given these teams Dodgers, Yankees, etc.
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  Speaker 3: Is do this if we get a cap.
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  Speaker 2: And then the whole financial model changes and changes for
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  Speaker 2: your benefit.
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  Speaker 1: Boom and there it is. Both sides have issues, but
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  Speaker 1: if you really cared about competitive balance, you would share
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  Speaker 1: gold others here. He sees the Yankees a lot. We
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: haven't talked about them much because things are going well
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: for them, Todd. I mean, when there's nothing crazy good,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: nothing crazy bad. You know, no records are being set.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: They're just playing ball. They're playing good ball.
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: They look good.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: They look like a playoff team. They look like a
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: contender for the Division and even for the World Series. Right,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: but let's crack open the case for what they could
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: get better at. So we just run off the articles.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Brendan Coodi, who put out this article, it's too early
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: to look ahead to the trade deadline for the Yankees.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Just kidding, let's do it anyway. I like that, and
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: he pointed to the bullpen. He talked to one rival
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: evaluator who said, lots of bullpen help needed for the Yankees.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Remember last year they sought out many relief arms, Jake Bird, Dovall,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: that's how they got Bednar. So let's start there because
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I actually think that's by far the top topic with
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: a team that's trying to get themselves back into the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: World Series. Do you agree, Todd Father or is there
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: something we're missing?
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah? I agree, I do.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: I think I think every team needs better bullpen pieces
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: or could use a better bullpen piece. I mean, Doval
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: has been you know, hit or miss. Bednar hasn't you know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: fully been the same. He likes when people are on
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: base for some reason. Then he finally figures out how
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: to give people out. Hendrick's been okay, He's had his
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: ups and downs. Hill, Tim Hill, Yeah, you can always
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: I think for the Yankee sake, they can always use
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: another bullpen piece to get in there and go out
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: and dominate.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: But they're winning. They're winning right now, so that that's
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: the thing.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: If they're winning, not nobody talks about anything else until
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: they have to. They got their guns back, and Max
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Fried still isn't pitching, which is okay. They've still been
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: doing fine without him. They got Garrett coleback and Rodin.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: Rodin still finding himself a little bit. He's getting better
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: and better each start. But yes, I think a bullpen
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: piece would bode well for the Yankees moving forward or
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: later into the season.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Yes, Obviously, a good team is always gonna look to
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: upgrade their team they play, they keep playing like this,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: they'll look to upgrade in some way. And but the
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: one part Brennan talked about was catching. I think they're
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: gonna use scouts. Think they're gonna use the next few
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: months to evaluate possibly a right handed hitting catcher. I
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: couldn't disagree more. I think j c Escara and Austin
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Wells are giving them exactly the value that they want
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: out of their catching position. Can they find somebody that
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: receives just as well as two of the top fifteen
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: receivers in the game. Maybe, But I mean you're talking
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: about You're talking about like elite catchers that are just
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: gonna automatically stay with their team. So no, I don't
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: think it's gonna happen. I don't think they're gonna go
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: look for catchers. So fans, you know what, right now,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: the catching position is a whole offensively in your lineup.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: But you have two very elite catchers that the that
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: the Yankees like it or leave it. The Yankees love
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: the value that they're adding, and they're not adding to
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: anything there. So I think it's really a bullpen. And
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: I think obviously they would love to add based on
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: some type of injury, but look back in history, Brian
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Cashman makes very very few monster moves at the trade deadline.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: So let's just realize, is the team you got you
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: complained about at the beginning of the year. Your team
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: playing really well, and I think this team with a
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: few ads to the bullpen could be a World Series
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: contender in a weak American league.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean it's it's a team that values
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: catch a defense a lot, just like the Guardians do.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: So they're going to focus on that. They're not going
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: to bring in a guy who hits the crap out
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: of the ball but has a terrible framing or some
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: other stat on the defensive side that doesn't work out well.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: It's just not their style. So with that, it makes
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: it really hard to find the perfect guy, right like, yeah,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I mean you know, you know you're this one phone
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: call and then we'll break because we got our guests
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: ready on the local radio in New York and New Jersey. Hey,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: let's get that Rutchman guy. They already have the other guy, Besio.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: So so let's get Rutchman in. You know, we'll give
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: up somebody.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Nope, it's not happening. The Yankees would have taken Patrick
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Bailey had the Guardians not and had had the Yankees
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: not had their receiving they would have taken them. I promise.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: I've seen the meetings, I've heard the presentations. They would
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: have been like he's ours, thank you, whether you like
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: it or not. That's just how they were going to
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: run the organization.