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BABY SHOWER FRIENDS SEARCH FOR MISSING MOM, 28, DAMNING POLICE BODYCAM EMERGES · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Baby shower friends search for a missing mom just twenty
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  Speaker 2: eight This as damning police bodycam emerges.
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  Speaker 1: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories, and I want to thank you
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  Speaker 2: for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Mamta is an incredibly dedicated person. Being a nurse was
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  Speaker 3: her absolute dream and she was completely committed to it.
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  Speaker 2: You don't become a nicku nurse without being a very,
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  Speaker 2: very dedicated nurse. Could somebody explain why mam does friends
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  Speaker 2: from her baby shower have to go out searching for her?
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  Speaker 1: Where's the husband? Where are the police? Where are the.
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  Speaker 2: Search teams, the canines, the drones, the divers.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it that women friends at.
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  Speaker 2: Her baby shower have to take to the streets, the woods,
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  Speaker 2: the forest to try to find Mamta bought this as
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  Speaker 2: damning police bodycam video emerges as we scour the latest
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  Speaker 2: for DNA. I don't understand why these ladies who were
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  Speaker 2: serving punch and petaphores one day are out trumping through
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  Speaker 2: ditches the next day looking for a missing mom just
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  Speaker 2: twenty eight years old. If you know or think you
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  Speaker 2: know anything about missing mom mom to bought seven O
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  Speaker 2: three three six one, one, one, three six with me
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  Speaker 2: an All Star panel to make sense of what we
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  Speaker 2: know right now. But as the moms have been out
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  Speaker 2: searching for their friend Mamta, we learn that damning bodycam
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  Speaker 2: video has emerged of the husband. Now it's attorneys will
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  Speaker 2: argue it's not damning at all. Everyone reacts differently when
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  Speaker 2: they're confused and upset. Well, I don't know if a
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  Speaker 2: jury would disagree with that. Listen to this bodycam video.
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  Speaker 4: Hello, sir, are you I'm obtually with Tom and U
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  Speaker 4: smart Please we're looking for miss montakflict.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, she like on waitness day she left and then
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  Speaker 5: she says he gonna go either New York or Dixas
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  Speaker 5: and then she lived, like I said, had the phone
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  Speaker 5: and then see destroyed that phone and then he left.
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  Speaker 2: Wa whoa whoa wait wait wait did the husband just
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  Speaker 2: say she destroyed.
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  Speaker 1: Her phone and then left?
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  Speaker 2: Joining me in All Star panel to makes sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we're hearing right now, But who in their right
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  Speaker 2: mind destroys their phone then leaves their baby straight out
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  Speaker 2: to a very dear friend of Mamta's who has formed
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  Speaker 2: a GoFundMe for her. Nadia Navarre right Naughtiya, thank you
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  Speaker 2: for being with us, Nadia.
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  Speaker 1: Does that sound like Manta to you?
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  Speaker 2: This highly organized, highly responsible Nicki nurse. I mean, they
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  Speaker 2: don't put just anybody that falls off the turnip truck
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  Speaker 2: truck in the nicku dealing with babies who could lose
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  Speaker 2: their life at any moment. Does that sound like Manta
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  Speaker 2: to you? I want you to listen to him one
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  Speaker 2: more time, Nadiyat.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to the husband.
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  Speaker 6: Even like she was five months he left. We were
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  Speaker 6: like week we never know. And then one of friend
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  Speaker 6: telling me like somewhere in Pulst. And then after that,
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  Speaker 6: at that time, she had a leftop over here in
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  Speaker 6: my leftom. Her email was home and I see uber
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  Speaker 6: was there. She did the uber and then I went
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  Speaker 6: to the near by the building and then.
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  Speaker 3: I saw her, you know, like at the building she goes.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I I worked for her, like you know,
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  Speaker 6: work time I see her there, So.
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  Speaker 2: She destroys her phone and takes off in an uber.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense. What about the claims she
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  Speaker 2: destroyed her phone, Nadia, every.
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  Speaker 3: Word out of his mouth is an absolute lie. And
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  Speaker 3: she couldn't have left anyways without her phone because she
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  Speaker 3: didn't drive. How is she going to get an uber
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  Speaker 3: to leave anyways?
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  Speaker 2: Dave Mac joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
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  Speaker 2: that is very reminiscent of Brian Walsh.
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  Speaker 1: Remember him. He says his wife disappears.
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  Speaker 2: On New Year's Day, that he saw her getting into
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  Speaker 2: an Uber to go to.
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  Speaker 1: The airport and that was that.
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  Speaker 2: Never saw her again and to this day she hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been seen or heard from again. Remember Brian Walsh and
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  Speaker 2: Anna Walsh, they had little children too, and mommy just
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  Speaker 2: leaves it in Uber and is never seen again.
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  Speaker 7: Dave Mac makes no sense to me, as you know,
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  Speaker 7: her employer is the one that actually called and asked Belise, hey,
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  Speaker 7: would you mind checking on her? Brian Walsh tells a
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  Speaker 7: story that doesn't make any sense whatsoever, and it's totally verifiable, Nancy.
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  Speaker 7: It's not like you can't find out what ride share
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  Speaker 7: service came by and picked her up, which well we
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  Speaker 7: can't find that. So his story it's parallel to Naresh
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  Speaker 7: bat you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, I'm just thinking about it. To Nadia Navarro claiming
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  Speaker 2: that she, I guess had some kind of an angry
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  Speaker 2: fit and destroyed her cell phone and.
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  Speaker 1: Then took off.
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  Speaker 2: I mean what was your experience with Mamta. Does that
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  Speaker 2: sound like her?
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely not. I think it's just a classic. She's
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  Speaker 3: crazy and the police officers bought it immediately. They didn't
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  Speaker 3: question it, they didn't ask to see the smashed cell phone.
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  Speaker 3: They were just completely on board.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, sure, Well, you know, you really just struck
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  Speaker 2: a chord with me, Nadia, because I've heard that over
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  Speaker 2: and over and over. She's crazy, she's hysterical, she's wigging out,
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  Speaker 2: she's losing it, and true to form, listen to this
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  Speaker 2: body cam, Nadia.
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  Speaker 6: I'm kind of thing that some mental you see.
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  Speaker 5: I will see the nurse problem is there, because you know,
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  Speaker 5: if I say something with the nurse, who know more?
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  Speaker 8: I say, you know more?
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  Speaker 3: You know, like I see a lot of stuff, you know.
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  Speaker 8: I told her, like multiple times, let's go to the psychiatrist,
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  Speaker 8: you know, like do something. He said, like, oh, I'm okay,
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  Speaker 8: I know, I know my stuff, I'm registered, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, play that
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  Speaker 2: one more time for me, controler, because at the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: listen carefully, he says, oh, yeah, she crazy. One more thing,
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  Speaker 2: she's got some mental issues.
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  Speaker 1: She's a nurse problem is there?
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  Speaker 2: You know, if I say something, who's the nurse who
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  Speaker 2: knows more?
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  Speaker 1: Her or me? I say a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I told her multiple times, Let's go to the psychiatrist.
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  Speaker 2: And she says, Oh, I'm okay, I know my stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a registered nurse. Okay, listen to him.
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  Speaker 6: I'm kind of the mental see I will see. The
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  Speaker 6: nurse problem is there, because you know, if I say
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  Speaker 6: something with the.
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  Speaker 3: Nurse, you no more.
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  Speaker 4: I say, you know more?
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  Speaker 3: You know, like I see a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I told her like multiple times, lets go
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  Speaker 6: to the psychiatrist, you know, like do something.
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  Speaker 8: She's like, Oh, I'm okay, I know, I know my stuff.
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  Speaker 5: I'm registered in RS.
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  Speaker 9: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I can hardly stand to look at this man. Let
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  Speaker 1: me go to a shrink really quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatory is with me licensed psychologist mediator, and
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  Speaker 2: he specializes in forensic psychology.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you have a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of degrees and a lot of experience, but I
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  Speaker 2: really don't know if you're qualified to answer this one.
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  Speaker 2: Why is it when the woman disappears, she's crazy, she's hysterical,
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  Speaker 2: she's got mental problems, and then she ends up dead.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see him fix his mouth to say, oh.
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  Speaker 1: She got mental problems. She got mental issues, but she's
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  Speaker 1: a nurse. Nobody would believe me. And he said, honey,
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  Speaker 1: let's go to a psychiatrist.
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  Speaker 4: It's a tale as old as time, Nancy. But to
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  Speaker 4: be honest, this is the kind of thing that a
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  Speaker 4: lot of men try to use because they think other
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  Speaker 4: men are going to believe them, that all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 4: we have this hysterical woman who doesn't know what she's doing,
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  Speaker 4: who won't listen to reason, because men are always logical
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  Speaker 4: and reasonable. I mean, it's pretty clear that this is
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  Speaker 4: just an excuse that he's using, that he's using that
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  Speaker 4: he's heard other men use, and other men expect to
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  Speaker 4: just believe just because it's a man saying that a
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  Speaker 4: woman is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me, not only Wendy Patrick, but Tammy Ballard, crime
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  Speaker 2: scene consultant, crime scene Investigation Reconstruction. She's law enforcement liaison
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  Speaker 2: with our friends at Authram Labs, Inc. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: specialists that crack all the cases with DNA. Tammy Ballard,
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  Speaker 2: Are you sick up to hear with she's crazy?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard it so many times.
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  Speaker 9: I just it's one I think he's just throwing everything
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  Speaker 9: out there from that. They started out with she's crazy
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  Speaker 9: and then just progresses from there.
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  Speaker 1: So I just think, you know what, I'm glad you
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  Speaker 1: said that, Tammy. That's the great thing.
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  Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons joining me, Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security, specializing
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  Speaker 2: in finding missing people.
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  Speaker 1: Brian, don't you just.
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  Speaker 2: Love bodycams because they catch sometimes a suspect, sometimes the purpse,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes a witness, in all sorts of inconsistencies.
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  Speaker 10: Absolutely, this is great video to analyze because here we
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  Speaker 10: have Nuresh giving a timeline right when he last saw Mamta,
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  Speaker 10: what her last behaviors were and when, and these can
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  Speaker 10: highlight later inconsistencies in his defense. This is huge for
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  Speaker 10: investigators to line up the tipe. The actual timeline is
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  Speaker 10: some of the physical evidence, digital evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Look at him. I just want to just snap his
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  Speaker 1: head off.
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  Speaker 2: So calm, so cool talking about yeah, she's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 5: Hello, sir, are you I'm actually the human as part?
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  Speaker 4: Please?
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  Speaker 1: We're looking for a miss Monta conflict.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, she like on waitness day she left and then
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  Speaker 5: she says she gonna go either New York or Texas.
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  Speaker 5: And then she lived, like I said, had the phone
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  Speaker 5: and then see you destroyed that phone and then left.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, that narrows it down. Maybe she's in New York
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  Speaker 2: or maybe she's in Texas. Okay, Nadia Navarro, you're a
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  Speaker 2: very dear friend of Manta's. Have you ever known her
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  Speaker 2: to leave her child?
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  Speaker 3: No? Absolutely not No.
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  Speaker 1: Would she just take.
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  Speaker 2: Off and go to let's see, New York or Texas
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  Speaker 2: leaving baby Nima behind.
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  Speaker 3: No, and we know that it's impossible for her teeth
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  Speaker 3: and have done it if she wanted to, because she
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  Speaker 3: had no access to funds at all.
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  Speaker 1: Now listen to this. I've dissected this bodycam guys.
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  Speaker 2: We have just gotten her mixed on bodycam video of
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  Speaker 2: Mamta's husband, and there's, in my mind it's just so
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  Speaker 2: sinister the way he is standing there, speeding all this
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  Speaker 2: out about Mamta while holding the baby that she prized
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  Speaker 2: above all else. Now here's his story spinning out. He
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  Speaker 2: just said, Oh, she decided to go to New York
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  Speaker 2: or maybe it was Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Not really sure about that.
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  Speaker 8: But listen, even like she has five months the records
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  Speaker 8: or like peek, we never know.
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  Speaker 6: And then one a friend tell on me like somewhere
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  Speaker 6: to busa after that. At that time she had left
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  Speaker 6: over here in my leftom her email was home and
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  Speaker 6: I see uber was there. She did the uber and
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  Speaker 6: then I went to the near by the building and
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  Speaker 6: then I saw her, you know, like at the building.
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  Speaker 8: He goes.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I I worked for her, like you know,
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  Speaker 6: work time I see her there.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, did you hear that, Nadiyet?
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  Speaker 2: He's saying she left for three weeks one time. Have
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  Speaker 2: you ever known her to be gone three weeks? Or
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  Speaker 2: is that just a big lie?
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  Speaker 3: It's a lie. She has left before, but it was
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  Speaker 3: for a week and she took the baby with her.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, you're you're hearing all the discrepancies of where in
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  Speaker 2: this one body.
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  Speaker 1: Cam he is all over the map.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go straight out to Wendy Patrick joining US
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  Speaker 2: high profile lawyer, prosecutor, president, founder black Swan Verdicts, and
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  Speaker 2: author of Reading People, how to Understand people and predict
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  Speaker 2: their behavior anytime, any place. She's also the star of
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  Speaker 2: Today with Dr Wendy on kcbke Wendy, it's that old phrase,
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  Speaker 2: if you give somebody enough rope, they'll hang themselves. Hasn't
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  Speaker 2: anybody heard about the Fifth Amendment, don't they see TV
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  Speaker 2: and realize the more you talk, the more you dig
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  Speaker 2: your own grave with your own teeth.
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  Speaker 11: As you talk, you know, and it's more than talking
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  Speaker 11: that body picks up.
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  Speaker 12: And that is so telling with this particular video. I mean,
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  Speaker 12: when you look at the demeanor, demeanor can be damning,
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  Speaker 12: especially when you're talking about something as serious as a
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  Speaker 12: missing wife holding your toddler. Not just a missing wife,
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  Speaker 12: but a missing wife that really was a creature of habit.
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  Speaker 11: She went to work every day, she took care of
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  Speaker 11: her family. She apparently, according to one of her good friends, Nadia,
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  Speaker 11: thank you for joining us, was inseparable with the toddler.
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  Speaker 11: Would never have left the toddler, would not have destroyed
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  Speaker 11: the phone. So when you're trying to explain.
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  Speaker 12: This on camera to the police, whatever comes out of
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  Speaker 12: your mouth is not only going to be analyzed via
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  Speaker 12: the words, but also the way you said it and
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  Speaker 12: in footage like this. This is definitely something that has
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  Speaker 12: a lot more potential for helping to solve this.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I want to speak to Nadia Navarro. Nadia a
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  Speaker 2: very dear friend of Mamta's. Could you recount the very
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  Speaker 2: brief trip you took with Mamta. You were going to
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  Speaker 2: a specialty spice store, as I recall you telling us.
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  Speaker 1: As we were what happened.
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  Speaker 3: We never made it there. We never made it there
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  Speaker 3: because Naresh called and he said, turn around, that's too
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  Speaker 3: far from the apartment. And I said it's only fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 3: And he said she needs to go back. She needs
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  Speaker 3: to be studying. And I said no, and he started screaming.
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  Speaker 3: And after that, Mamta asked me to go back, and
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  Speaker 3: I went back because she asked me to.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, I'm not understanding this. So you are tay.
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  Speaker 1: You were driving Mamta where.
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  Speaker 3: To buy spices from India.
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  Speaker 1: Bizarre why?
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  Speaker 3: Because she taught me to cook. She was teaching me
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  Speaker 3: how to cook some of her special recipes. We had
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  Speaker 3: to run out, and I thought that she would really
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  Speaker 3: enjoy seeing something that reminded her of home.
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  Speaker 1: What special recipe?
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  Speaker 3: It was a curry dish with a bunch of other
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  Speaker 3: other spices in it. It was really good. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we eventually did get to cooking, but different day.
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  Speaker 2: You may wonder why I'm asking these details Nadia and Navarro,
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  Speaker 2: And the reason is not that I disbelieve you in
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  Speaker 2: any way.
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  Speaker 1: I do believe you.
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  Speaker 2: Whenever I question a witness or guest, I look for
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  Speaker 2: details that can assure me that person's telling the truth. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you'd be surprised. I mean you're looking at the husband.
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  Speaker 2: How people go blank? They have to fabricate a story.
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  Speaker 2: They can't immediately say it was curry dish, it was
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  Speaker 2: really good. They can't give me that kind of detail.
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  Speaker 2: What because they're making it up. So, Nadia and Navarro,
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  Speaker 2: you take her to an Indian spice market because you
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  Speaker 2: think you'll remind her of home, and she's teaching you
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  Speaker 2: how to make a special dish during that trip, which
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  Speaker 2: would have only been fifteen minutes away from the family home.
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  Speaker 2: How many times did her husband call you?
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  Speaker 3: Probably three? And I didn't want to pick up, but
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  Speaker 3: she said we should pick up because we don't want
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  Speaker 3: to make him mad. And I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 3: care about making him mad.
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  Speaker 1: But you picked it up to make her happy?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, eventually, Yeah, why didn't you want to pick up
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  Speaker 2: the phone when you saw it's him?
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  Speaker 3: Because I had gotten really tired of him calling me
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  Speaker 3: and mom time he wouldn't let her have a phone
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  Speaker 3: at the time. I wasn't aware that he wasn't letting
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  Speaker 3: her have a phone. He just told me it couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Ohh whah, whoa whoa whoa whoa white white, he wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: let her have a phone.
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  Speaker 3: No, that's why he was calling me.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, then what is he talking about? She destroyed her
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  Speaker 2: cell phone? Did she ever get a phone?
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  Speaker 3: She did, event because I had stopped picking up every time,
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  Speaker 3: and he got frustrated eventually and said I was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like a bad person, and he got her a phone.
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  Speaker 2: So when in this trip did he start screaming into
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  Speaker 2: the phone.
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  Speaker 3: As soon as I said no that I didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to turn around and go back.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever make it to the spice market fifteen
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  Speaker 2: minutes away?
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  Speaker 3: Not with Manta. I went back later on on my own.
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  Speaker 2: How did she act when she could see him calling
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  Speaker 2: over and over when he started screaming into the phone
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  Speaker 2: that she was gone too long?
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  Speaker 3: She apologized and I said that's not normal, And she
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  Speaker 3: said that he was worried for her. It was her
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  Speaker 3: first time in the United States and he was apart
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  Speaker 3: from her, and that she trusted him and she knew
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  Speaker 3: that he wanted the very best for her. And she
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to make him worry.
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  Speaker 1: Worry about going to the spice market.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the gender reveal had already happened. They knew they
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  Speaker 2: were having a baby girl.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing was going to stop her.
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  Speaker 2: I think sometimes that the harsh reality and the dichotomy
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  Speaker 2: that moment. Could I see that moment where they're having
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: the baby shower and they looked so happy together, the
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: husband clearly in love with his wife, with his hands
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: on her tummy, he was kissing her tummy, and they
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: looked so happy together. Nadia Navarro question, did he the
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: husband come to the baby shower?
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was there.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: And how did they sing?
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Because in the photos they looked so happy.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they seemed fine, more focused on the party. There
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: were so many people there, and there were actually like
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of men. They're like a lot of other
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: dads there and children, and so he was with them
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: mostly guys.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: In the last days, damning bodycam video has emerged. Now
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: when I say damning, there's not a confession in this,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: but if you analyze what the husband is saying, the
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: inconsistencies are glaring.
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: Listen, she lost you know, maybe she said, like you
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: know the last time, even like none.
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: Down, and she like, Okay, you know I'm not gonna
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: you know, I'm gonna disappear for six months, make a
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: different address, and then after that, you know, we will
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: separate this and that.
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: So I don't know, Like I'm kind of okay. Well,
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: if if she does end up missing, just call us
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: back again.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: It would be a good idea to contact people that
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: you know that knows her right to make sure she's
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: not actually missing.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, what are the police actually buying this?
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Apparently because they say, well, okay, if she didn't show up,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: just calls back.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: What number one he didn't call to start with? He's
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: not the one that reported her missing? Am I right
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: about that?
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Dave?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Max?
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: Absolutely it was her. It was people at work that
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: were concerned about her because she never missed words. She
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: always was where she was supposed to be, and when
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: she didn't show up, they couldn't find her anywhere, so
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: they reached out to police.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I'm very, very concerned.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: The police basically say, hey, it'd be a great idea
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: to contact people that know her to make sure she's
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: not really missing. What okay, and listen to what he
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: just said on this bodycam. Let's see here she goes,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: she leaves for six months, Uh, make to a make
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: a different address, and then we will separate.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Well, the last.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Time I got him on bodycam, he said something completely different.
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: Listen, Legano very good, Legenold sins two months, you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: like before that, you know, one time we had like
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: some arguments because you know, yeah.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where our friends at WUSA nine. Now whoa, whoa,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: whoa wait wait wait, he has asked, how's your relationship
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: been in the last few months, and he says, you know.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Very good, very good.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: One time we had an argument before before because you know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: and basically gestures towards the baby, like the baby caused
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: a problem. But that was just a few days before
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: the bodycam where he says, yeah, we're gonna separate and
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: be apart six months, and then she was getting a
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: different address and then she just disappeared. Okay to doctor
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: John DELLATORI, that's why I love bodycam video.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: That's why I love it.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: When a suspect, a person of interest, a witness is
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: caught in lies. These inconsistencies aren't just mix up their
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: diametro opposed to each other. They cannot both be true.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: No, they can't. And I think what we're seeing are
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: elements of coercive control that we see with individuals who
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: commit domestic and intimate partner violence. You know, when Nadia
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: is talking about the phone calls and then not having
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: the phone, and then maybe having the phone, potentially there's
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: a separation, but maybe not a separation.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: You know, another issue caught on bodycam video and caught
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: in interviews. And I love to lay them, which I
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: did for tonight, lay out all the different statements. It
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: takes a long time and find the inconsistencies.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Wendy Patrick, trying cases is not easy.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: If you want to win, if you want a verdict
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: that speaks the truth, it takes time to comb.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Over literally every word. But Windy Patrick, I want you
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: to hear this. Are you sitting down? You may need
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to lay down for this. Listen.
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: We don't have any type of that.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: It was like normal day, like other Lar days, just
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: you know, like you know, we were taking care of
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: our babies. It was like very normal, oh, you know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: like she wasn't a fear at her work. And then
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: she's very like you know, pocused on her work. And
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: then once we know like, no, she's not at work. Then,
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: you know, like that makes very sitious to me.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: And okay, wait a minute, that's from our friends at
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: WUSA nine. He just said, Wendy, everything was fine. It
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: was just a normal day.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Then she didn't.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Show up for work. That doesn't even make sense. He
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: never called to report her missing. People at work after
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: days past start looking for her, but he says everything
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: was just normal.
• 24:42
  Speaker 12: Yeah, that is one of the biggest problems with this statement, Nancy,
• 24:45
  Speaker 12: and especially when you look at the way he appears
• 24:48
  Speaker 12: to be so cooperative but not concerned. Nobody's going to
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: be able to relate to that. Everybody would be absolutely
• 24:56
  Speaker 12: on the phone with the police.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: That'd be going through the you.
• 24:58
  Speaker 12: Know, all the phone records and every if you have
• 25:00
  Speaker 12: a loved one gone missing, especially if there hadn't been
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: any reason to suspect that she was about to leave,
• 25:06
  Speaker 12: which is one of the things he said in that
• 25:08
  Speaker 12: first statement.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: So yes, you.
• 25:10
  Speaker 12: Prepare to look at all these inconsistencies, But then after
• 25:14
  Speaker 12: you've done that, you look at what would have been
• 25:16
  Speaker 12: a reasonable interpretation of that kind of a response if
• 25:20
  Speaker 12: somebody in fact didn't come home from a job, that
• 25:23
  Speaker 12: they hadn't missed a day, didn't come home to take
• 25:26
  Speaker 12: care of a toddler that they absolutely adored. Those are
• 25:30
  Speaker 12: the kinds of behaviors that no one can relate to.
• 25:32
  Speaker 12: So it's one thing to attempt to be cooperative with police.
• 25:36
  Speaker 12: It's quite another to be totally unconcerned and have a
• 25:39
  Speaker 12: story that not only is inconsistent but absolutely makes no sense.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: While the search is on for a missing mom just
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: twenty eight years old.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: When asked, her husband says he's the one who's suffering.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: It's all about me. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: Guy, I'm the so further one. I'm the suffering my
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: baby and then myself, you know, like we are suffering
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: the most from.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Our friends at WUSA nine, Nadia Navarro, did you.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Hear that he's the one suffering?
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: For all he knows his wife is dead in a
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: ditch and he's the one suffering.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Is he always like that?
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah? It makes you want to give him something to
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: actually suffer about.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: And I know, Nadia, and I learned this the hard
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: way in court that why doesn't really matter. But I'm
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: very intrigued with the dynamic of their relationship.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: What did she see in him? Why did she stay
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: with him?
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: If everything is about him and he keeps talking about
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: well she's a nurse, it sounds like he's jealous.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I mean he didn't have any degrees of his own.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: He didn't. He couldn't even pass police academy. He failed that.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: And I mean he was working at a gas station
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: before he got the job that he says he had
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: in cybersecurity, which is a certificate. And Mamta is smart
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: and hard working and much younger than he is, so
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: he knew that under normal circumstances, she's not the kind
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: of person that he would be able to marry. But
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: because it was arranged it, you know, and it's their culture,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: he was able to marry someone beautiful, smart, educated, and
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: she was way out of his league. It made him jealous.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: It made him feel inferior, and he would do anything
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: he could to make her feel less than. He would
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: comment on her weight, he would compare her to other women.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: He would compare her to me in front of us, He.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Compare her to you, like what.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: One time we were doing each other's makeup and Mama
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: face timed him to show him her makeup, and I
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: was sitting out of the camera, but she just you know.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: He was like, oh, did you do Nadias, and he said,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: she said yes, and Mama pulled me over into the
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: into the screen and he goes, Nadia, you're so beautiful.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: You're like an A plus. And then he looked at
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: mompt and he goes, Mamda, you're like a C minus.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Nannia. That makes me want to cry.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she did cry.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: How did she respond when he said that?
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: She smiled? And they hung up, and she ran out
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: of the room and I followed her and she was crying,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: and she told me that it was in the first
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: time he said something like that, and I told her
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: that she was beautiful.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Doctor Delatoy, I don't understand that how the husband can
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: be so cruel and demeaning to the wife when she's
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: so clearly, as Nadia said, out of his league, way
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: out of his league.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: It's gross, it's disgusting. This man is less than human.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: But this isn't something that's wholly unique. We often see
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: these kinds of comments, these kinds of behaviors from known
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: domestic and intimate partner abusers. We often see these kinds
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: of comments being made by men who believe women are
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: somehow second class citizens. There's a lot of issues that
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: go on within our society and within each individual that
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: makes them believe that they are somehow better. And if someone,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: especially a woman, has more power and more agency, then
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: that man is going to do whatever he can to
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: undermine it. This is pretty common domestic and intimate partner
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: violence type issues that needs to be addressed by men
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: towards other men.
• 30:24
  Speaker 13: July thirty first, Nurshbat is caught on camera at a
• 30:27
  Speaker 13: Walmart in Louden County purchasing cleaning supplies, carpet cleaner, lights,
• 30:30
  Speaker 13: al disinfectant wipes, and Little Trees air fresheners. He later
• 30:34
  Speaker 13: tells police he last saw Mamta on this day. August first,
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: Mamta's phone battery dies. Its last location is in Loudon
• 30:41
  Speaker 13: County near a body of water. August second, police conduct
• 30:44
  Speaker 13: a welfare check at the bot residence. Nurshbat tells officers
• 30:48
  Speaker 13: that Mamta is visiting a sister in New York or Texas.
• 30:51
  Speaker 13: According to prosecutors, the Commonwealth knows of this being a
• 30:54
  Speaker 13: family friend, not a biological sister, as all of Mamta's
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: family is in Nepal. Narashbat also tell officers that the
• 31:00
  Speaker 13: couple was in the process of separating.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, right there, Brians Gibbons joining me, Director Operations USPA
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Nationwide Security. His specialty is finding missing people. How can
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the phone ping when he said she destroyed her phone.
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's a huge inconsistency. So you have Narasch telling
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: police at his door that the last time he saw
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: Mamta was either on Tuesday or Wednesday, the twenty ninth
• 31:28
  Speaker 10: or thirtieth.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: All right, now we.
• 31:30
  Speaker 10: Fast forward and see that her end that she destroyed
• 31:33
  Speaker 10: her phone. Then fast forward August first, and this is
• 31:37
  Speaker 10: something that you can't fake. There's a ping in Loudun
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: County in Aldi, Virginia, about fifteen to twenty five miles
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: to the north of Manassas, where we see Mamta's phone appear.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Dave Matt, what can you tell me about a reciprocating saw,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: a hand held reciprocating.
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: Well, we know that when investigators had the opportunity to
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: go in and start looking around the home, they found
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: a number of items that jumped out at the MONEU.
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: In particular, though, was the reciprocating saw. This is a
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: saw that you hold with one hand while you hold
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: like a pipe or a PBC pipe or a small
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: limb or something along those lines, as you cut cuts
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: in a straight line. It would be something that would
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: catch your attention if you're an investigator and you notice
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: that it has something on it that quite possibly maybe blood.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Two.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns now joining us special guest Chief Medical
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Examiner Terran County. That's Fort Worth, a steamed lecturer at
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: In your line of business, having performed literally thousands of autopsies,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: you have dealt with handheld reciprocating saws on many occasions.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Please advise tell us what you can.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: So.
• 33:02
  Speaker 14: Reciprocating saws are used for a number of tasks that
• 33:06
  Speaker 14: can be used for demolition, cutting through wood, metal pipes,
• 33:10
  Speaker 14: and then they're also used in the meat processing in
• 33:13
  Speaker 14: industry where they'll cut through the bones of cattle or
• 33:17
  Speaker 14: deer or whatever you're processing. I have my personal reciprocating
• 33:23
  Speaker 14: saw here at my office. What it is is it's
• 33:25
  Speaker 14: a blade. They can come in different shapes and sizes,
• 33:28
  Speaker 14: and then that you move back and forth, cutting through
• 33:32
  Speaker 14: a tissue or bone or wood or whatever you're cutting
• 33:36
  Speaker 14: through in a very quick manner.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: If that were used on Manta, I would expect a
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: lot of DNA evidence why to be found around the home.
• 33:49
  Speaker 14: Sure, because these saws are not precision instruments there to
• 33:54
  Speaker 14: just cut through things and destroy things.
• 33:57
  Speaker 10: So when the.
• 33:58
  Speaker 14: Blade is moving through something quickly that actually they spray wood, chips, tissue,
• 34:06
  Speaker 14: blood everywhere. It'll get all over the saw, over your hands,
• 34:09
  Speaker 14: They'll get in the vents, It'll get everywhere.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Tammy Ballard joining US crime scene consultant and law enforcement
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: liaison with authorm Labs. She is a DNA criminalist in
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: the San fran Police Department Crime Lab. Tammy, again, thank
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: you for being with us. To me, that would be
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: a treasure trove for scientists like yourself crime scene analysts.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Why is it people still think in this day and
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: age that just because they can't see blood spatter or
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: missed with the naked eye, that you, Tammy Ballard, can't
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: find it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: What would you expect to find in this home?
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: Well, first of all, I'm glad that they don't think
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: about that, so that it makes my job easier when
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: I am looking for something, so or really something that's
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: left behind can be either visibly detected or if we
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: can use something like luminol, some sort of chemical agent
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: that can show where they've tried to clean up. That's
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: that's usually used in this situation like this, So it's
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: great evidence potential. And I can't really ever think of
• 35:26
  Speaker 9: a scene where I didn't find something left behind. So
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: cleaning up is very, very difficult. Unless you come from
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: a DNA background, you're probably going to leave something behind.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Jammy, where do you find DNA? What spots do you
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: find it? Where a perp typically thinks he's cleaned it
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: all up, Where can it actually be found?
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: I actually worked a case like this for several years
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: until we've found owned our victim floating in the jetty
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: in San Diego. I did carpet analysis. I did analysis
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: from all kinds of items in the house and generally
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: so in that situation, they got a carpet cleaner. You're
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: pushing that blood down. Blood is very hard to get
• 36:20
  Speaker 9: rid of. It wicks into different you know, fabrics and materials,
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: so you can find it pretty much everywhere, and as
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: has already been mentioned, that's a really messy tool. So
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: you're going to have things going all over the place
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: that not everybody is going to think of unless this
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: is your normal job to find these kinds of things.
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: Things on the ceiling from these types of crimes they
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: did just generally gets overlooked. Things down low to the grounds,
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: like I said, wicking and things in the carpet. These
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: are all great places to find something, even if they
• 37:00
  Speaker 9: think that they've cleaned it up.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Spoke to the husband here.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: They're going through a divorce that she lift for.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Which New York. Uh So, yeah, her employer. Her employer
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: called and asking just just called us to check if
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: she was okay.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: So that's why we're here. We don't need to bother you.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: That's fine.
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: She's supposed to be there, you know, usually like I
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: don't know, I can shake, you know, like where she goes.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Okay to Nadia Navarro joining us. Nadia a very dear
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: friend of Mamta's.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Number one. Where is baby Nina right now?
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: She's with family and very close friends.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: What do you make Nadia of the fact that Mamta
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: has not been found.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I think that Narash did a lot of reading and
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of research, and by the time that people
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: were looking, the police were looking. You know, the trash,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: the dumpsters had already been taken away, and I guess considerated,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: I know it would be really, really hard to find
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: her at this point.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: When you see, for instance, doctor Kendall Crown's holding up
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: a reciprocating saw and think of Mamta, what goes through
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: your mind?
• 38:28
  Speaker 15: It's I can't imagine, it's overwhelming, it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: It's too much, Naddie. I want to find her. I
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: want to find even part of her, because after what
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Dave mac and Timmy Ballard and doctor Kendall Crowns have
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: told us, I am now convinced that mam To was
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: murdered and dismembered. And all I can do now is
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: try to find.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Whatever is left of her.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: For Nima, so that someday Nima will have a grave
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: to go to or an urn to hold on to.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: That's all Nima will ever have of her mother, and
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: she won't have that if we can't find Mamta.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: We all are desperate to find her. We've been desperate
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: since we knew she was gone. I've been out of
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: my mind since I knew that she was gone. I
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: couldn't have ever fathomed something like this. I did think
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: he hurt her, not like this.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Did she ever have a fear, Nadia, that he would
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: kill her?
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: It was so trusting, and she saw that good in everybody,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: So no, she wouldn't have. She always thought that he
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: was and she maintained that she loved him, and uh
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: that she saw good in him.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: At this hour, the husband, not esh Bot, has been
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: charged with murder, although legal eagles say it'll never stick
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: without a body.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: As siding something, he said anything to help us find mom.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: To please dial seven zero three three six one one
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: one three six repeat seven zero three three six one
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: one one three six.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalls. Goodbye him
• 41:00
  Speaker 15: Bo