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AEW Discussion | Hologram, Vaquer and Owen Hart Cup Finals · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for ignition with the
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aw Fat podcast team. This is Kelson, this is Alex and the first
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thing I wanted to talk about today. It's not a big story, but
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it is a story. And basically we had Conan on his podcast and I
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did God's work actually listening to the clip instead of just reading the headline.
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Heart Yes, I got to listen to my favorite Disco Inferno and his cutting
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commentary on the wrestling industry. You are said that sarcastically though, right,
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Yes, Okay, I just want to go ahead like Conan, at least
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he's He's to my understanding, is like a legend in Mexico. I don't
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think anyone would say that about Disco Inferno in America anyways. So basically Conan
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and Tony Khan had a working relationship. Keny Omega wrestled in Triple A.
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Conan as the booker for Triple A was sending guys like Alhi od Bi,
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Kingo and Commander to ae W. So they've had a working relationship, and
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I guess ty Kanti was being lent out from Tony Khan to Conan and Triple
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A and for whatever reason, Tony Khan had to use her on an aw
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show, so couldn't sent her over to Triple A for a date. And
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this was back in when like twenty twenty two, right, yeah, this
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was years ago, I mean co Yeah, I think that makes sense.
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It was definitely not twenty twenty. That was definitely during COVID. It was
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during COVID. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, So basically Conan didn't want
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to refer to tay Kanti by name and instead referred to her as some check,
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like, oh, Tony Khan is gonna lend me some check and then
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couldn't. And Tony Khan, I think, rightfully, I mean not that
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some chick is necessarily offensive, but calling tay Kanti some chick as the leader
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of Triple A Wrestling is pretty pretty unprofessional as a minimum, right, absolutely,
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And to me, what's interesting about this story is more that it shows
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Tony Khan kind of from a different angle than what we have been conditioned to
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think of Tony Khan in terms of him sitting next to Cmpunk as CM Punk
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goes off on his tangents during that horrible press conference, and this is kind
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of a different side of Tony Khan where he's actually standing up for female talent.
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He's confronting longtime veterans and professional wrestling, you know, pseudo legends.
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So that's why I think that this story is interesting to me, and I'm
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wondering, Yeah, Kelson, what you think or the other guys. Yeah,
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I mean, look, thumb chick was not professional as you said.
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Yeah, I'm kind of one of those people that I don't refer to the
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women wrestlers in any wrestling company as girls, even I kind of I'm uncomfortable
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with that. That just me personally. I don't like when somebody calls them
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girls, even though it all due respect and admitting this, when you see
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men's wrestlers doing a promo for me, a w in the ring, they
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will say the guys and the girls in the back, you know, so
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thy say, I'm just saying, as far as me, I am not
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a fan of that. But I don't think that if it's said in a
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using girls the term girls in a non you know, biased or a means
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of as a way of ridiculing a woman or female wrestler, then I don't
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really really see anything wrong with that. However, some chick, no,
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I don't think that that was right, And to me, it's water under
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the bridge. It happened in twenty twenty two during COVID, Tony Kahan said
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that the reason why he could not send Taei Kanti, which I mean that
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was so long ago she was still Kanti. The reason he didn't send te
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Kanti was because the wrestler was supposed to wrestle for the show that he had
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already booked couldn't do it due to COVID, So he had to bring back
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what he could now would have happened today. If it would have happened today,
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then you would have had probably more women in the locker room that he
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could have called on that were healthy, cleared, have been tested, et
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cetera. But back then, you don't know how it was working. And
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so I could kind of understand why Tony had to pull take Anti back.
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But and I can kind of understand why Conan didn't say her name, but
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I had the same token. I don't, you know, I don't quite
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agree with her calling him, calling take Anty some chick. That's my opinion.
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Yeah, and I think, yeah, kudos to Tony conference standing up
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to Conan. And I guess that It's interesting because now we've seen cmll and
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and a W have this pretty strong partnership, and it's clearly, you know,
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the Triple A partnership seems to be done. Yeah. Yeah, like
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even the Lutri Bros. Seemed to have distanced themselves from Triple A. Yeah
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absolutely. I mean, Ray Phoenix just had a whole thing going with him
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that he couldn't wrestle, you know, due to Triple A. So we'll
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see, you know, I mean, look at uh uh who was it
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that wrestled? Was it? I can't remember who had to wrestle on Uh
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who wrestled g F on TV with the with the no commercial break was No,
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it wasn't it was no. Was it Rouge that was because that was
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because of Triple A something going on there. So but anyway, let's get
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the other guy's opinions on this this uh matter, Maybe they can land some
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other thoughts. So so here's my thoughts. What the hell does it matter
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now? I mean something two years ago is that the most that did I
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mean is Conan's podcast got to the point where he's got to bring up stuff
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from two three years ago. That makes absolutely, I mean slow news Week,
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but I guess. I mean, you know, you've got what I
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mean. That just don't make any sense to me. And honestly, there
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this is not the first bad thing. Like a lot of the trouble they
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were having with U, Triple A and guys in the past was the fact
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that Triple A and New Japan didn't get along and they couldn't have certain guys
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work on certain shows if New Japan was going to be there because New Japan
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worked with the other company in Mexico, so they weren't. I don't kind
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of like what happened with Rossi Agawa and Stardom when Rossi got out that all
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of a sudden started became available to work with a W and vice versa.
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Yeah, and and and and and that's that's all that tells me that there's
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a problem with Conan. But then again, he's hanging out with Disco Inferno,
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so you already know what the problem is there. So yeah, I
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I don't know. Like I said, it's kind of ridiculous that they're bringing
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this up now, And uh, I think Tony handled it right. They're
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calling her some chick. This just that that's just stupid that don't make any
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sense. At all. Why you wouldn't want to say her name. Yeah,
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it's kind of well, I can understand that saying her name, but
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you say the woman that was was scheduled the rest Russell won't be able to
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appear, not some chick. That's not like here. Not long ago they
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were supposed to have I think it was Triple A, uh, not Ray,
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but his brother Penth was supposed to go down and Wreussell and it ended
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up getting chant because of something that he had. He had to be available
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for a match, and it was you know, they mentioned that it was
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he was. They were upset because it was. They said, Penton,
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what's the difference. Why are you going to say a guy's name if they're
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pulling him and not the girl's name. That makes no sense. I will
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say this, and you could agree with me or dot agree with me.
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But I honestly believe, you know, and I really do believe this that
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even in a private conversation somewhere, I find it hard to believe that Tony
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Kahan would ever use the term some chick. And I really do feel the
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same way about Triple H. I don't think that he would use the term
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some chick. No, you know Fitts McMahon, Well, we won't go
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enough time to go there, but no, I mean it's it comes down
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to Conan. I think Conan likes the story of trouble wherever he gets a
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chance, and I think that that this goes the same way. They make
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a perfect pair that way. They're always looking to cause some kind of issue
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about something, whether it's an issue to be had or not. And I
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don't know. After two years, I'm like, man, you really must
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not have anything to talk about. What about YOUBK, do you have anything
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on this? Uh? I'm not defending Conan here, but the way he
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kind of talks, I can see him using that that verbiage. Yes,
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it is kind of dismiss dismissive, but I really, you know, this
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is, to me is something that I wouldn't even commented on. I would
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have would have done it on. I don't know how Tony reached out,
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but there are ways to do stuff, and I wouldn't have went full bore
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on it like he has. I said, it's water under the bridge,
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but it's not something that I that that piques my interest at all. So
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if I'm understanding you, you don't think that what Conan said was meant to
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be meant to be dismissive or meant to be a dig It was just kind
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of bread out of ignorance because he just didn't know better. That's the kind
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of thing you say different than anybody else. I don't know how to put
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that. Get the way he talks, and he's probably raised that way of
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talking like that, But I don't think it was meant malicious at all.
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That's fair enough, and I can see that point. That's a really good
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point, actually, So let's move on, because we did have something that
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kind of sort of broke. It's been tossed around saying no, and that
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is that that WWEE and a W have both offered Stephanie Voker a contract.
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Now, it's been argued that that is not the case, that she is
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signed with CMLL, but it has been pointed out also that CMLL is known
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to let wrestlers out of their contracts. But look, based on how Stephanie
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Vacker performed at Forbidden Door, that would be a huge get for aw It
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would be a huge get for WWE or any other company that signs Stephanie Vecker.
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So what do you guys think about Stephanie Vacker possibly leaving CMLL and going
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to WW or AWW. Look, this is an AW podcast, so obviously
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we would be probably biased towards AW. But I do think that she would
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be a superstar on w W E or W whichever one she goes to.
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So I'm curious to see what you guys think. So based on the one
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match that I have seen that she put on against Monette, she would be
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the tough stary in either company. On the women's side, She's amazing.
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She did an amazing job at the pay per view. The other thing I
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have an issue with is why if you work she's under contract to c MLLL
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and they have a working relationship with AEW, would she need to get out
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of her contract. All she needs to do if they want her to work
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here send her over. I mean that, that to me just makes no
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sense. Now, if she's going to WWE, yeah, she's gonna have
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to get out of her contract because they don't work together like that. But
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well, one thing I want to point out to you, Sudden is that
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Stephanie did make a post a couple of days I think after Forbidden Door on
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Twitter or x where she did say how proud she was that she is one
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of the only women right now that are working for aw CL stardom and New
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Japan. She said, find me another woman that does that. I'll wait,
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you know, do your homework. Frankly, there isn't any really,
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and if there, there's certainly not anywhere other than they're not they're WWE.
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No, and they wouldn't be. And that's the thing everybody else makes this
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big deal about. Oh, she would make a lot of money going to
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a the WWE. Yes, she would. In AWWE. She would have
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to give up New Japan, she'd have to give up stardom, she'd have
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to give up CMLL, and she'd have to give up AW So I'm sorry,
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I wouldn't. I see no reason why I would do that if I
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was her, because it makes no sense. Yeah, And another post that
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she made, she also did go out of her way to say that she's
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not done with Mercedes Bonett and she wants a remap. So that sounds like
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she's leaning towards AW to me, I honestly don't think she's going anywhere.
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I think it'll stay the same way it is until her contract runs out.
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Then she might move on but until her contract, which I have no idea
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what her contract is, and I don't think anybody else really does either.
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Maybe you could find it, but right off the top of my head,
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I would say she probably will stay in CMLL until her contract runs out and
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just use the current relationship set up and do her thing. I may be
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wrong, but I could have sworn that I saw somebody, and I don't
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know how reliable this source is, but they did say that she had a
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couple of more years left on her CMLL contract, But that could be totally
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bocus. I'm just say just something I saw, right, And that's the
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thing why I don't see a reason why, And from Aw's point of view,
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I wouldn't see a re and why i'd want to pay her big money
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when I can use her and somebody else is paying the bill, you know
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what I mean. I mean, that's that makes no sense. Well,
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you still probably have to pay her for her appearance, and it probably cost
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a penny penny anyway. So yeah, but if she's only going to make
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one or two appearances a year, that's more. That's better than paying her
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five or six or a million dollars a year to be full time with your
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company. Right, Well, let's get the other's opinions on this. So
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I'm going to say, you know, if I was her, I would
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I would stay a free agent and just travel wherever you need to be.
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My problem with her current her coming up. I like her. I think
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she would be great, but Tony's booking sometimes puts her where she wouldn't be
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on all the time. And that's my main concern about having her over here.
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And I also think that AW had AW had her in her contract,
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she would not be able to travel as much as she would like. Yeah,
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you know, some of the people get to go to here, there
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and everywhere. You know, John Moxa gets to go to blood Sport or
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New Japan, but they're not primary residents there, and she would have dominant
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storylines in AAW. But she pulled on Matt Cardona and just went wherever she
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wanted to and made the money. You know, she could do whatever she
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wanted. She wouldn't have to stay firm, and she could travel the world
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and just have fun being what she wanted to be, no strings attacked.
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Let me ask you this, I k before Alex gets a chance of time
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in so do you ever. See, Look, Stephanie Voker is a main
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event type star, okay, and she would be wrestling in AW in main
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event type matches for the TBS Championship, the maybe even something like next year's
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owen Hart and maybe for the World Championship Women's World champions as a free agent
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or as a person that is from CMOLL that AW uses. I think AW
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is proven that somebody from another company is never going to get an AAW belt
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ever, So, I mean we've seen that at all the Forbidden Doors and
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other matches throughout the company, you know, throughout the time Dynamite Collision wherever.
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So do you think that Stephanie would Stephanie would be more leading toward not
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coming to do that kind of work in AAW simply because she doesn't want to
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come and get beat all the time. Well, would you look at how
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they handle meant Mira, she she was used quiet well, even though she
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didn't win what we thought she should have get, she got used. And
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it depends on really what she wants out of AW deal. Does she care
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about having that title or she tailed titles in different companies, so does that
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really matter to her? Well, even with Mina Shirakawa. She did post
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to herself after Forbidden Door saying that she has not given up on the aw
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Women's World Championship yet. So I thought that was interesting because the storyline was
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that the three of them, meaning Tony, Mina, and Mariah are now
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like good buddies, friends, sisters, and now Mina comes out and says
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she's not through facing that yet. So I think I think that with what
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you're saying is a good point. But I think that Eddie Wrestler, man,
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woman tag whatever, they don't want to come to a promotion to get
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beat because then it ruined, it hurts their reputation with the fans, and
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the fans clamoring for somebody to come is based on that reputation, which means
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that the more they lose, the less money they're gonna get. Kind of
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thing. That's just my opinion. See, I don't see it that way.
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I think I think using the Forbidden Door example is not a good example
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because that's a one two year pay per view. If she's gonna be if
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she was if she stayed in CMLO fault and they just use her in the
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things. It's a little different that way because she would be able to come
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in for more than just one night. If she was to come in and
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win this the tn T or the TBS title, she'd be able to stick
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around for a little while or come back more often than to just do it
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on a one night thing. Yeah, and I think if she was with
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AW we've seen them lend wrestlers out consistently. But yeah, I kind of
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would like this year under an AW contract as an AW wrestler because then she
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would get that sustained push and could compete for a title. I guess there's
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a part of me that kind of worries, like because she's not like a
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great English speaker. She can't speak English well, but it's maybe kind of
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like Rouche, where it's maybe a little hard to understand. So there's a
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part of me that worries that maybe she wouldn't be featured as well as she
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could be on AWTV. I don't know, because Mercedes Money is featured on
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and she can't speak at all. I mean, I can understand what she's
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saying, it might take her a little longer to get it out, but
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you know, I'm sorry. Yeah, Yeah, I think, like Stephanie
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Vecker, she's a really like kind of a once in a lifetime talent,
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because I can't think of another Mexican female luchador wrestler that's really come out of
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Mexico and been successful off the top of my head, and she's already basically
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done that. Yeah, I mean there's not many. I think that's a
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really good point because there's really not that many. So you're saying she's a
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will Osprey type person. Well, I don't think anybody's will Osprey type person,
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but she's definitely it's not maybe it's not that she's better, but with
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her style, she's doing things that a lot of American fans it's new to
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them seeing a woman be able to perform things that they've never seen before and
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do it it smoothly and fluidly. Yeah. Yeah, she's really like she's
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one of the top wrestlers to me in the world right now, and just
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period, not like top female wrestlers, just top wrestlers. Like she's really
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incredible and I'm sure she'll end up with either AW or WWE, and I
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could see WWE really making good use of her. They've had good history of
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treating like the Japanese women wrestlers well so yeah, I think this sky's the
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limit for her. I'd love for her to be in aw of course,
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but well we'll see. They've spent a lot of money on Okada, will
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Osprey Monet might as well go for the clock. Yeah, yeah, for
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sure. Okay, talking about new wrestlers, we had a Matt wrestler vignette.
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Maybe it's for a wrestler. There's also rumors that it's actually just for
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a video game. It was a clip of some guy jumping into a portal
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and the words hologram came on the screen and then it flashed quickly a wrestler
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that looked a lot like Arrow Star from I think Triple A and was part
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of Luca Underground. He basically had the same mask and in like arm things,
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shoulder pads. Uh. You must have paused that at the right time,
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that that was a blip on the screen. Yeah, I thought it
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was a Green Ranger. It could be it could be Conan as Max Moon
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when he was in the w W Easton. It could be TJP who used
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to have a video game type character. But I don't think it's a wrestler.
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I think think it's some type of project because I guess a couple of
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months ago, back in they trademarked some of this stuff at the top of
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the year, and Hologram was part of that, but it wasn't type in
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the same you know, when think of her wrestlers, I remember Jericho coming
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out to that type of programming type thing with save us or something like that,
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and it looked like Sammy. But I'm wondering if it's just video game
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we can create a superstar and they jump in the ring, or I would
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love for it to be a streaming service. That that's not going to be
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it, but we'll see what happens. Well, look, we posted it.
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Somebody posted it on the aw fan pub subreddit, and people seem to
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be convinced that it's Semi Gavara. I'm not so sure, but I just
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wanted to throw that out there. Maybe he's not a wrestler, maybe it
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is just for a video game or some promotion. But yes, MK,
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you're right, they did, meaning a w did trademark Hologram. So if
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it is a wrestler, that's probably gonna be their wrestling name. It'll be
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a great replacement for Gravity, I guess. So, I don't know anybody
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else have anything to say about this particular thing. It could be like Suicide
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was a TNA and what do you mean by that? He was their pop
26:37
up star. That really was was was dressed as anybody they wanted to and
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they could use him whenever they wanted to. Yeah, it was like different
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guys wearing the same hout fit and mask. Oh rotating. Okay, well,
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as long as it's not a w's version of the version of w CW
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Shockmaster, the version of Glacier. Glacier was really really promoted back then,
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remember that, And then when he came out it wasn't really it was anti
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climactic. You can't promote somebody. I mean, this vignette that they did
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for Hologram was very short, very mysterious. But with w c W what
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they did it was Glacier as that made him seem like, Hey, this
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is a guy that's going to make whole COVID look like a kindergarten, you
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know wrestler, you know so and it and it didn't work out that way.
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He's he's great, Well, he's actually works with a W now he
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is a coach and a producer. That's confirmed. He's making his return to
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the ring. He shall see. Well he has he's sixty years old,
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but he does still get in the ring, so he could be a very
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very strong possibility. Yeah. The one thing that's interesting about this, whether
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it's a wrestler or not, is just aw really hasn't done vignettes at least
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not often, especially not for something new like that. They're keysing, and
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we've seen that in WWE a lot over the years, so I wonder if
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this is at the beginning of something new or they're just testing it out.
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They got quite a bit. If you go on Twitter or x whatever you
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want to call it, you go on to subreddits and stuff, it is
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getting talked about. It is getting talked about, so that's good. But
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I don't think people are at this point based on one vignette, are you
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know, over the moon excited waiting for the big reveal or something to that
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effect, you know. So I think that it's just gonna take some time.
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On My worry is that they're going to handle it like they did with
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Glacier, and they're gonna have these longer vignettes and really pump them up to
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if it is a wrestler or whatever it is, pump it up to be
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something extraordinary and then it ended up being just another guy. Yeah, like
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if it had never done that before. Yeah, Like if it is Aerostar,
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he has had one match in aw before, he's almost forty, it
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would be it would be like the re debut of Gravity. As you said,
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basically, it would not be it would not set the world on fire.
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No offense to Aerostar. Oh yeah, well it's gonna be interesting to
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see what Palista? What's that? It's Kalisto? He actually Samurai Dell Soul.
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Yeah, he was in the match with Aerostar. I did my research,
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but hopefully not him either. Yeah, he's going to research this week.
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What's it been. Calisto? He's famous for the Luca Things promo.
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All right, he's the one that would run down to the ring and use
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the catapult to jump in the ring once and then they changed that because he
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didn't do it right. I think the production team did it wrong, to
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be honest with you. Yeah, I think that was Sinkara. Who is
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never mind, it was Sara, that's right about It was Cinkara. Yeah.
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I think he was the second attempt at making a new ray Mysterio.
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Also, it didn't work. Yeah, there's only one ray mystereo. Yeah,
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and Sinkara actually was a big star in Mexico. Well, yeah,
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it is Forbidden Door as Mystico as Mystico. Oh okay, you do that
30:52
right, that Sara's mystico. No, I didn't know that. Yeah,
30:56
that is that is absolutely true? Is mystic Okay, that's okay. Yeah,
31:03
so I caught up. Car has been on a w born in most
31:10
of the CML, cmlund Yeah, yes, he's not too long ago too
31:18
right, Yeah he did. Yes. Well, look let's move on because
31:26
we've got on Dynamite tomorrow night. We've got a couple of really I think
31:32
that are really interesting matches, and that was sort of two Owen Heart Cup
31:37
Foundation Cup Finals, the first one being and we're gonna talk about them both
31:42
at the same time. I think that will work. We've got Brian Danielson
31:47
versus Hangman Adam Page, and then we've also got Willow Nightingale versus Mariah May.
31:52
And I have to say that while most bull that I've seen talking about
32:01
this believe that Hangman and Mariah May are going to win these matches, there
32:07
can be something said for Willow and Brian Danielson also winning these matches. This
32:15
is probably and I'm going to go out on a limon say this, and
32:17
I'm going to say this with pretty good conviction. This is the third oh
32:22
and a hard Cup Foundation or whatever. People always say that they don't like
32:29
it being called the Owen, but I'm just gonna call it the Owen.
32:31
Hate me if you must. You could post that I'm a jerk on aw
32:37
fatob on Reddit, but I'm going to go out on a limon say that
32:43
the Owen this year, as far as the finals go, these are the
32:47
least predictable and probably the most interesting as far as story goes, of them
32:54
all. I think they hit the nail on the head by making both of
32:58
these matches for a world title shot at all. In So, what do
33:07
you think about the Owen coup as far as I'm not Owen's cop, don't
33:13
say it that way, the Owen And what do you feel about it?
33:21
What do you feel about the Owen as a whole this year compared to the
33:23
last two years that they had it? And what do you think about each
33:27
of these matches? Anyone? Anyone? Go ahead, Alex, I'll let
33:39
you start. Sure, Yeah, like the female side of things is really
33:46
interesting because Willow I don't I can't think of her other than the Mercedes Monet
33:52
match that she lost, She's basically won every match in the last six months.
33:59
Other than that, She's beaten Chris Statlander multiple times. She won the
34:05
TBS title over Julia Hart Like she's been on quite a run. She's been
34:08
booked as probably one of, if not the strongest women in ae W and
34:15
I can in like a match her versus Tony Storm at Wembley Stadium would be
34:21
a huge main event women's match in my opinion, and she I could see
34:25
her dethroning Tony Storm. But probably the more likely winner is Mariah May beating
34:32
Willow here and that would be the biggest win in Mariah May's career so far,
34:39
beating Willow, I assume cleanly, and then that will set up a
34:44
huge match for Wembley Tony versus Mariah, which will be even more crazy.
34:49
So in terms of let me ask you this, do you think that with
34:55
Mariah May is the story better? Being that we've already had this long ongoing
35:02
thing with Mina shir Kyle and Tony Storm and Mariah May plus Tony Storm was
35:08
not born in England. She was born in Australia, but she grew up
35:14
just in Liverpool. Basically, I mean she moved her grandmother lived in Liverpool.
35:17
I believe it was that she moved to Liverpool. That's where she got
35:22
interested in wrestling, started wrestling. Of course, Mariah May is from England.
35:25
Do you think that would just be a better match to sell at all?
35:31
In yes, I do think that's where like the story is for sure,
35:39
It's way more interesting from a story perspective if they did go with Willow
35:45
here, they still have that story in their back pocket and they can tell
35:51
it over a longer period of time. Maybe the Willow feud can lead to
35:57
Mariah May and Tony Storm have a trouble with each other more so in both
36:04
cases they could make it work. But yes, I would say that Maria
36:07
ma Tony Storm match is bigger in a lot of ways. And I think
36:13
if Willow did fight Tony Storm at Wembley, it would be a lot more
36:20
predictable that Tony Storm would retain the title because that Maria May match is looming
36:24
in the future. And if if Mariah May faces Tony it's a lot more
36:31
interesting because who would win. That it could go either way. Yeah.
36:37
My biggest fear is that they're going to do what they did at all in
36:38
last year, make the Women's World Championship match a four way. I mean,
36:43
I don't want to see Willow, Mariah Mina, and Tony Storm in
36:47
a match. I just want to see a one on one match because I
36:51
think that they could pull it off. Yeah. Yeah, if they need
36:54
to do a multi woman match, do it with the TBS title. I
36:58
guess yeah, don't do it here. This is a big, long term
37:02
story they've been telling dot don't ruin it. So I don't have much faith
37:10
in a Willow versus Tony's Storm matchup at all in. I just I don't
37:19
think she's ready for that high point yet. I think she's a unique wrestler.
37:23
Willow is, she's she's good, and she's popular. But right now
37:30
Mariah May is hitting this weee spot and I think the storyline between the two
37:35
of them is going to hit the high point, and I think it's time
37:42
for Tony Storm to lose that bill. I think she's had it long enough,
37:45
she doesn't need it for her for a long amount of time, and
37:49
she's told her story, and now it's kind of time for her to see
37:52
a downfall and see where it would go. And there's plenty of time to
37:54
do it other that time. We're talking about that yet or not. But
37:59
it's a good match and the storylines this year have really stepped it up.
38:05
It's no longer predictable. Like you said, Okay, let me ask you
38:08
a question specifically. So let's just say that Ria May wins tomorrow night and
38:13
goes on to All In to face Tony Storm. Here's another one of my
38:17
fears, and I want to see if this is one of your fears as
38:21
well, what happens if they go to to go to them all in Tony
38:24
Storm and Maria May, Tony Storm retains who's left exactly. I mean,
38:38
I see where you're coming from, but I just don't see Willow needing that
38:44
title right now. And I don't think she's a top tier wrestler. So
38:47
I mean, they're kind of a spot where either they move this story along
38:52
or they make us wait. And I don't see much story between between Tony
38:59
Storm and Willow. I mean, I don't. I don't know what to
39:05
say. Well, no, we'll get what you're right. The story is
39:07
definitely there between Mariah May and Tony Storm, and it's not really there between
39:13
Tony Storm and Willow as of yet. But if Willow does win tomorrow Night,
39:15
they've got a little over a month to set up a story. And
39:22
I think Willow's really come into her own cutting promos, so I have faith
39:28
in her and Tony Storm's ability to sell that and make that feel like a
39:30
big deal. But I agree that Willow's stories like Chris Statlander, and that's
39:37
probably what direction they're going with her. So yeah, probably, Maria,
39:42
here's the thing. Here's the thing. You spent six months almost working on
39:45
a storyline building towards Mariah May and Tony Storm, going in Mina shir Kawa,
39:54
who's not done yet, she'll be involved in this too. If you
39:59
do not have Mariah May win this thing tomorrow night, you've killed that storyline
40:05
because that's going to delay it a month. It's going to completely change what
40:10
happens, and it'll die. And that's what everybody should be fearing is that
40:15
they do that, because you can't continue a story. What would be the
40:20
point of doing all this build up for the mass they did at Forbidden Door,
40:27
That that that didn't end how anybody saw it ending. It would make
40:31
no sense to the end of the story. And there's absolutely no history between
40:38
Tony Storm and Willow. I agree with both you guys that I don't think.
40:44
I don't think. I well, I just kind of disagree. I
40:45
don't think Willow is anywhere near being ready for a world title run. I
40:54
think Mariah made is more than ready because for me, right now, for
40:59
me, right now now, she's probably probably the third, second, or
41:05
third best, the first or second best female wrestler on the roster. No
41:12
I could agree, I could argue that she's the best. Well I'm saying,
41:15
but I agree with what you're saying, right and it would be the
41:22
perfect ending to the Tony Storm title reign. It gives her the opportunity to
41:27
take that character to melt down, which would be the best way to end
41:30
that character is not to just have it. Like you said, who's next?
41:35
If she goes up against Willow, getting back to the Mariah May storyline
41:39
is going to be damn near impossible. But there's there's just I just don't
41:45
see Willow. I don't see what everybody else sees in Willow. Everybody talks
41:50
that she's doing better in her in her promos. To me, her promos
41:53
aren't they're they're decent, but they're they're they're almost as if she's being doing
42:00
promos as a heel. That's not a heel. She comes out like the
42:06
last one she did last week. She was talking about when she faced Statlander,
42:09
it's like, smile if you have to. But she didn't say it
42:13
like she meant it. She said it like, you know, I'm getting
42:15
tired. It was almost like I'm saying this because i have to, because
42:20
that's whatever expects. But I'm not that way, and it just doesn't make
42:23
any sense. I think this whole I think they screwed this whole thing up.
42:28
They really did. They turned Statlander. I still think they turned Statlander
42:31
Hill and shouldn't have. Statlander should have won last week because she's the one
42:36
that's done more for the female in the company until every until they got all
42:43
these other ones came up in the last six months before that, when she
42:46
took the title away from Cargill, she did the most to get the women's
42:52
division righted back the way it needed to be done, and then what happens
42:55
to her. She gets turned heel and they throw her aside. That didn't
42:59
make no sense. I think if they ruined this match, if they don't
43:01
give Mariah made this title shot at Wembley because she's English, Like you said,
43:08
she's English and you're gonna have Oh yeah, that's the whole point you
43:13
want. Like you know they gave Soirea the title last year? Why because
43:19
she's English and they wanted her to have her title shot at Forbidden Door or
43:23
all in so put the two English women in the title match. On that
43:30
who's next thing? We have so many women that are still out. Yeah,
43:37
that's what you mean exactly we managed to get And I've been watching I've
43:50
been watching a w from the beginning, and I get what Tony's trying to
43:55
do with some of this stuff. But he does have a tendency when it
43:58
comes to the women to throw a hail Mary pass that gets picked off and
44:04
returned for a touchdown. He does it a lot when it comes to women's
44:07
matches. It's just how he's done things. But on the men's side,
44:12
I'd kind of like to see Swear versus Danielson, But most likely that one's
44:20
probably a foregone conclusion that's going to be Hangman just because of the unfinished business
44:24
they have. Do you see something? I kind of agree with you a
44:29
sudden I think that something is going to happen in tomorrow night's match where Hangman
44:35
is going to win it clean. But Somebody's gonna come out and get into
44:39
Danielson's face, whether it's tomorrow night or very very soon, whether like collision
44:45
or you're still thinking you think it's gonna be what's his I have no idea
44:52
what the announcer. I do not think that it's Nigel. Oh really,
45:00
if Nigel confronts him, Nigel's gonna confront him and says, I have a
45:06
friend that could take you on. Nigel is never going to wrestle in a
45:08
ring again. Who But here's my question for hope it does happen. He
45:14
has basically said that he's ready to wrestle, he's been training. Could be
45:23
nothing. I have no doubt that Nigel is ready, and I don't have
45:29
any any doubt that he could do it. It's just too much of a
45:31
risk because of his condition, as simple as that. I mean not only
45:39
and I don't think that they can let him do it. He's not going
45:43
to be cleared and frankly, to be honest with you, the way it
45:49
is right now, I would feel that on a big stage like all In,
45:53
it would be I would just be uncomfortable watching that match. Oh,
46:00
it won't happen all In. I think you see they're talking about. If
46:04
that happens, it'll be a it'll be Danielson's final match. It'll be the
46:09
match that ends his career. The will end his career with. That's what
46:14
they That's what people are saying that they see happening. I personally don't want
46:16
to see that either. I want to see Danielson. I want to see
46:20
Danielson go to all End and win the title, get a six month run
46:23
with it maybe, and then and the world at World's end give it up
46:28
and that would be the end of it, and that's where he retires.
46:30
That's what I Yeah, I understand, Yeah, but sudden and and MKA
46:37
I will make this point that you could talk, but Danielson's gone on record
46:40
record multiple times saying he does not want a championship period, and did Sting,
46:46
and so did Sting until Tony conn said, hey, guess what you're
46:50
getting The tag titles don't care if you want it, you're getting it.
46:52
So I mean, I know I've heard that many times. But before MK
46:57
hanging on one, say Tony Tony now calling you, Tony Kelsen. Do
47:01
you know if Mariah, if Mina sher Cow is available tomorrow night, I
47:07
do not know, because I can see her being there and that could be
47:13
a way to start even if she's not there. They've done it in the
47:16
past where it started them when Mina Sir Kyle had a match and startom they
47:22
had. Tony Storm talked to Mina via a taped message, so that respect.
47:31
Let's let let's let m K talk because we're talking way too much.
47:36
Were can talk about everything that other people may want to talk about. So
47:40
here's my thing. On the men's side, I don't I think either way
47:46
would be great, but for my sake, I think we're beating Danielson at
47:53
one of the biggest pavor views. We'll put another notch in his belt to
47:57
make him bigger. I don't. I don't have any problem with Hangman winning.
48:00
I think there's a whole course of ways to go with that and makes
48:05
him see it a little bit, and I think one day Hangman deserves a
48:09
title shot. But I think it's too soon for Swarre to lose it,
48:14
and Dan and him and Danilson would put on the clinic. I really do
48:19
believe that. I agree, And I want to say something here. Remember
48:24
when Hangman and uh Moxley were doing their thing and they had like four matches.
48:30
It got to the point where I did not want to see Moxley and
48:35
Hangman. I was on this podcast, I said, I really have no
48:38
interest in this match. You know that last match that they had where was
48:42
it a double or nothing? Twenty twenty three, I can't remember exactly where
48:45
it was. You know the one where where Hangman are basically hung Moxley by
48:50
a chain. Yeah with a match, Okay, that match On our podcast,
48:54
I would saying, I really don't want to see this again. They've
48:57
done it too much. Blah blah blah blah blah. Then I saw in
49:00
the match, I was like, this is the best dad match I've ever
49:02
seen in my life. I loved every second of it. I swear to
49:06
god, I've got I swear. I think I just wet myself. I
49:09
don't know, it's just like, I mean, we're I just thoroughly enjoyed
49:15
a match and I did not want to see. Maybe I enjoyed it because
49:17
my expectations were so low. But that's my only problem with Hangman and Swerve.
49:24
If Hangman wins tomorrow night, and I don't know if you guys feel
49:28
the same way, like, Okay, so we're gonna do this again,
49:32
Well, they've done it. Every time they've done that match has been great
49:37
and and almost each one better than the last. But can they keep that
49:42
up? I think I think they could. I and the story they're telling
49:47
now with Hangman as the heel and Swerve as the good guy, and Hangman's
49:52
come back with like his scowl permanently on his face, I don't know.
49:58
I could see it being like the Mariah May Tony Storm match, Like this
50:02
has way more story behind it right now than what Brian Danielson versus Swerve has.
50:13
Alex, let me ask you though that everybody else can answer this too.
50:17
Do you really see Hangman right now as a heel? Yeah? Yeah,
50:22
I do. I think he's going to be more. I don't like
50:28
he tried to kill Jeff Jarrett and well so would we all, Well,
50:37
yeah, we would have, you know, a few weeks ago, but
50:39
not after his hurt felt promo that Storytellers he became simply speaking of Jeff Jarrett,
50:47
I have a question after you're done, Alex. Yeah. And the
50:52
only other thing I want to add is I could very well see Danielsen verse
51:00
swerve at all out after because I think that's in Seattle if I'm not mistaken.
51:10
But I could see that being like the follow up match rather than it
51:15
being the all in match. And I was just looking on the internet.
51:20
There is a hepatitis feed vaccine, so theoretically they could have Nigel versus Brad
51:25
Danielson if you know they get their blood tested beforehand. Gesture the vaccines are
51:34
take it old, all of them. K want to say so, Jeff
51:40
Jarrett has inserted himself as the enforcer. Does anybody trust him enough to be
51:49
partial? I mean, could he screw of one of those guys out and
51:52
then feud with them for a little bit, because look, they made him
51:55
such a sob story. He made people believe. I think it would be
51:59
the ultimate He'll turn to use that and have him threw Danielson out of it
52:06
somehow and make him a heel again, because he's a better heel than he
52:08
is a face well, Daniels sending Jared at all in. Oh my god,
52:15
that would be terrible. I know what I didn't. I didn't see
52:22
I will never see Jeff Jarrett as a face period, end the story.
52:28
He has done way too much to be on the evil side to ever be
52:32
considered a good guy. Even with the mushy story Eye and the story he
52:37
told about Owen and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was
52:40
a great story. And you knew he wasn't gonna win because when you knew,
52:45
when you figured out who was coming in, you knew he was gonna
52:46
get beat. It added something to the Owen, but that was about all
52:50
it was. If he's inserted himself in as the enforcer, I see him
52:55
screwing Hangman and then them having a mini feud and then have like Alex said,
53:04
have Danielson swerve it all all in and then swerve and hang Man it
53:10
all out vice versa which everyone comes. I can't remember, but you know
53:15
what I mean. That would make and Daniels said, yeah, I don't
53:22
want to see Jeff Jared involved in this. I think it was a nice
53:24
moment. You know, they put some keep behind the match that he had
53:29
with with Hangman, but I don't I don't need to see him keep being
53:32
involved in this, so I'm hoping. Yeah. I mean it's the two
53:40
outlaws. I mean that's something to go on. And I like Jared.
53:46
I think that match was a very good match he had with Hangman, and
53:50
I like to see some I don't know, I just think he At first,
53:54
when Jared came in, I was not for him staying at all and
53:59
inter wrestling, but he he grew on me and I think he could do
54:02
something. Yeah, I agree, he's grown on me. I think when
54:08
you first debuted it was kind of like, oh God, why is here?
54:13
And I have enjoyed him a lot more over time, but he's more
54:19
of like a zero hour guy. I don't know. If I don't want
54:22
him to be in the main event feud and Hangman's corner, that would be
54:27
a little bit weird to me, but maybe they can make me believe.
54:43
Okay, what's the next subject? What's the next subject? Did we hear
54:49
Kelson's thoughts? I don't know, Kelson, if you're trying to chime in,
54:52
you're muted. Okay, So I'm sorry, you know, I didn't
54:58
know we were done, but I before we go to I have a kind
55:00
of a bonus topic that I want to talk about that we've not even discussed,
55:05
and you guys don't even know what's coming. But before we do go
55:08
to that, I have a special treat for you guys. It's only five
55:13
seconds long and it's an audio, so everybody on listening will be able to
55:16
hear it. So I got a cute up and here it is. This
55:21
is Jeff Jarrett actually playing guitar. And here it is, right though,
55:27
it's only five seconds long. Ready, here we go. Pretty good,
55:36
wasn't it? Did you guys hear it? Okay? Yeah? It was
55:43
great? It was I called it's okay. Yeah, Well, of course
55:46
you don't hear anything because there's no goddamn strings on the guitars. How are
55:52
you feeling, okay, buddy? So here's gimmick. I am going to
56:06
reveal that for the last thirty years that guitar has been a gimmick guitar.
56:15
I never never realized. I never even thought about it. Well, you
56:22
know, flapping around everywhere, flapping of course. What I like. Let's
56:29
say that Kelson grabs the guitar and hits Alex over the head, which I
56:32
have honestly wanted to do multiple times, but basically it might hit you over
56:38
the head. It would be like you'd hear it, you'd hear the you're
56:42
here play at least sometime you'd hear like a twang. But there's nothing a
56:49
couple of yeah, you know. But anyway, it's like sitting on a
56:52
piano anyway, except on Alex's head. Here's the I want to bring up
56:59
a topic that it won't be a long topic and give everybody a chance to
57:04
chime in here. But I want to talk about the purse of Serena deeb
57:07
Uh. She had had a somewhat of a feud being set up with you
57:13
Kaza Kazaki. Sakazaki gets injured, so they started having a feud set up
57:19
between her and Rio. Rio fractured her arm this past week, so now
57:24
she's out. So basically, if you want to get rid of a wrestler,
57:28
aw put her in a storyline with Serena Deep. They don't even have
57:31
to wrestle, you know. It's kind of a shame. I will say
57:35
this that there was a picture that was posted a workout picture, and it
57:39
featured four people in the picture. It was Tymelo said Kanti so much earlier
57:47
that now I forgot her actual last name, Tymelo Guevara, Sammy Guevara,
57:54
Uh Kanosuke Takashida, as Mark Briscow would call her, call him, and
58:02
Yukasankazaki and y Kazakazaki, you know. So it looks like yu Kazakazaki may
58:10
be working out. She did have her ankle rapped, but it was just
58:14
a regular rap. She was in gain gear, you know, workout gear,
58:20
you know, sitting outside the ring. There were fey Mellow was holding
58:24
Luna, who was definitely given up big time. Ill vibes to me,
58:30
so that that kid's gonna be problems when she does. Yeah, that the
58:34
baby. But I just thought the picture was interesting to bring bring up because,
58:40
uh, it shows there was a couple of things that have been interesting.
58:45
And I did some research on it and I could find nothing to confirm
58:50
this at all, but I wanted to bring it up just to kind of
58:53
get your reactions to this. Is that I've seen people saying that Yukaza Kazaki
59:04
and can Oo Skate Takeshta are actually married. Wow, But I can't find
59:10
confirmation of it. But that's what people are saying and if that's true,
59:16
that's that's a pretty big deal. But they I mean, there's nothing on
59:22
like on their Wikipedia pages. There's nothing on like anything cage Match, there's
59:27
nothing on Fightful. But I have seen other people saying that they've been together
59:31
for a while and that they are actually married, So I thought that was
59:36
interesting. But the other interesting thing, of course, is is that Tay
59:39
Mellow is in the picture working out. I've seen her doing running drills through
59:44
the ropes and stuff, and I guess I want to focus more on that,
59:49
really, I mean, you can speak about other things. But back
59:52
in late May, Tello put down that did write on act that it's about
1:00:00
she's about two months away from being cleared, which means at the end of
1:00:02
this month that's the two months. So I mean, what do you think,
1:00:08
you know, with Tay Mellow coming back, Sammy Guvar still hasn't come
1:00:12
back even though he's been unsuspended, or they waiting to bring them back at
1:00:15
the same time, you know, what do you think, what's what's gonna
1:00:19
happen with Sammy and Tay Mullow when they come back. Do you have anything
1:00:23
in your minds as far as look with Sammy. I'm just gonna say it.
1:00:28
Sammy's new gimmick should be that he has an axe and he just takes
1:00:30
chops down the learning tree. That's all I want to say. That's it.
1:00:36
You can even take down the redwood if he wants. But you know
1:00:37
what, you know what's the learning tree segment? So you'll miss it?
1:00:43
No, because I have learned. Look, I'm a little older than you,
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Sutton, you know, and over the years I have learned that one
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should not beat their head against a brick wall and then complain to other people
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that they have a headache. And watching the Learning Tree, but I did
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watch it is like beating my head against a brick wall. They gave me
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a headache. I don't have headaches anymore because I turned the shit off.
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You know. I don't want Samity to do good. People were joking around
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about that, about that mysterious video that he needs to come back rebranded,
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and they wouldn't have a problem with him coming back into the Luchador and not
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samp and Cavara. But okay, let me ask you this now at all
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serious. Now, if Sammy Guvara show it up tomorrow night or a week
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or two weeks from now in a full Lucidor costume. Would you say,
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what the hell is Sami Gavara doing at a lutator costume? You know what
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I mean? It's not like it would be like, well, yeah,
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that's Semi Gavara. Well, you know, he likes anime stuff, and
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he and that suit kind of reminded me of anime. I'm not saying it's
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a good idea, but he needs something. Sammy needs a rebrand, he
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needs to stay away from the Jericho Vortex. And I don't know what to
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do with it because he's so controversial, he's so hard to work with.
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I just don't know what to do with him. But Tay, but Tay
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mellow or I hope she comes back with a vengeance. I really think she
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has places to go, and I think she could be the star of that
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family. Sammy can do whatever he wants to, but Tay has potential to
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be something. But she keeps on. You know, there's injury and pregnancy
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and weddings and all that stuff she's been through, so she's right, she's
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due for something. Alls I've said is that putting a mask on Samy Gavar
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and saying, oh, you do't can't expect people to say, oh,
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who's that. That's like putting a pair of hord hord drimmed glasses on Tay
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Mellow and say, hey, who's that blonde woman? You know, he
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just doesn't work. That would be horrible for Sammy because it would almost be
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them saying like, we don't believe Samy has a personality enough, and we're
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going to put a mask on him, pretend he doesn't speak English. Well,
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here's the thing. He's Sabby's nickname is the Spanish God. He doesn't
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speak Spanish, so you would be a silent person because he can't speak Spanish
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unless he's taken lessons. But he would speak broken Spanish. So he would
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alienate the Spanish community that watches a W because then you know that there's a
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lot a lot of you know, Mexican and Spanish viewers that watch a W.
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But what would you do with him? I mean, how can you
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help him? He's he's been at the top, he's been great when he
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had a tn T title. But I don't know the bad booking on Tony's
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part or what, but he just no, I don't I don't agree.
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I think sam has been his own worst enemy. I think he seems like
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a guy that gets along with people, but he also hasn't. He had
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like a fight backstage with Andrade. But but even worse was, you know,
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he brought his fiance out into the ring and proposed to her, and
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then and then like months later he was leaving her for Tyme Mello. And
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that's really when everyone turned against him. And yeah, things happen in life,
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but to do it so publicly and then to think people are going to
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be on your side, it was just, you know, he in all
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seriousness and I'm that serious here. If you want Sammy Garvar to get over,
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whether it's a heel or a face, you start with him taking down
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the learning tree. I swear to God, that's just that's how you do
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it. That's how you do it. I think you need to stay as
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far away from Jerick Ghost possible. I agree his his the problem is okay,
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yeah, what he did with this first girl, whatever, that was
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fine. Whatever he did it, it's over, it's done with him.
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In time, moved on, they got married, the baby. Now,
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his biggest problem's been he's been put in with groups that he shouldn't have been
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put in with he's much better by himself. He was a great TNT champion.
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He was he was doing his own thing basically when he was the TNT
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champion. And that's where the problem comes in. When you put somebody in
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a grassle like look, look, let's let's like like look at the at
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wardlow wardlow did great for a little while by himself. But every time he
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starts to get built up, they put him with a group and what happens
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to him? Bye? He goes bye bye because they I mean, look
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at him now. He and he hasn't wrestled him forever, and when he
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does, nobody cares because he's in nobody now he's on he's like an also
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ran in the unit in the Undisputed Kingdom. I think that that's his own
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fault, like he he's never been a great personality when he's on the mic.
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Like when they had that four way pillar feud, he felt like,
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wow, he's really like the bottom pillar for sure if you're and then he's
1:06:16
always sloppy in the ring like you know him and will Osprey both do that
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like jumping cutter. Will Osprey makes it look great every time Sammy does it.
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It looks like the worst thing I've ever seen in my life, except
1:06:30
forst. Cody Rhodes was one of my favorite a W Yeah, I thought
1:06:40
that was. Occasionally he strikeschol especially when he tries to like literally kill himself
1:06:45
more than anyone else, jumping off a ladder to give I could probably do
1:06:53
it once. My problem if you put him with the right music, I
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don't know why using Alex so much. You put him in matches against the
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right people, he could be easily be one of the top people. You
1:07:08
put him in a few with Darby, well that might be that might go
1:07:12
against their insurance policy because those two would kill each other. But they could
1:07:16
put on a hell of a show. You put him in there with some
1:07:19
of the loocha doors that come in from other places, and he could be
1:07:23
great. But sometimes I think the it's just he's not being put in the
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right situation. But where do we see Tate mellow, we see TJ come
1:07:35
back, or do we see something else? I wonder if she gets blotted
1:07:41
in with the outcast now that is with them. That makes sense? Yeah,
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I kind of like that. That makes sense. Well, we're going
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to see it pretty soon. That's going to be answered pretty soon. I
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think I would not be surprised if in the next couple of weeks we do
1:07:58
see Tate Mello show back up. So keep keep looking at the match cards
1:08:02
for like the end of July, maybe the beginning of August, and see
1:08:08
if we see something like ana J on dynamite or collision you know, in
1:08:14
a in a match, you know, and I think that's going to be
1:08:17
the tell tale sign that hey we Basice m hmdustry. But but but it's
1:08:26
it'll be if I do think that is going to get back together at this
1:08:33
point, I wouldn't mind at all if I saw, you know, Ana
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j and Tay Mellow go to uh Stardom even and do a little bit of
1:08:44
a run there over a couple of week period of time, you know,
1:08:46
because stardom is they have a lot of shows. Just the other way to
1:08:51
put it, they have a show like every three days. It seems like
1:08:56
it's amazing how much they wrestle. So Japan, but that's just me.
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Well, Japan did a lot for Jack Perry as far as his character,
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that's for sure. I think he was more over in Japan than he is
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in the American United States. To be honest with you. So anyway,
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well we'll see. Hey, you'd never know. We got, you know,
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a lot of stuff that could happen tomorrow night. We've got a lot
1:09:21
of stuff that can happen in the next couple of weeks, and we'll be
1:09:25
here to talk about it. Uh So, tomorrow night we'll have I'll lead
1:09:29
talk with the aw fat podcast team. And this was Ignition. Thanks for
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listening, everybody. This is Kelson. Good night everybody. YO, good
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night, Eddie Kingston. Wherever you are, New York. He's probably New
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York. Yeah,