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American Mind Control: MK Ultra (2015) Student Film or Documentary? | Under the Docs 018 · Under the Docs

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Speaker 1: Do you like student projects? Do you like fetish films?
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Speaker 1: Even if you do, you still don't like this movie.
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Speaker 2: Under the Dogs, Yeah, Under the Dogs very red your looks?
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Speaker 2: Could they originally shots the Dogs? Under the Dogs the Dogs?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Under the Dogs, SATs.
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Speaker 4: Under the Dogs.
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Speaker 5: I'm Sean Chris. This is paranoid American come back to
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Speaker 5: under the Docks. Today we're going back on the mind
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Speaker 5: control train. American mind Control mk Ultra a twenty fourteen
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Speaker 5: film directed by Philip Gardner and narrated by Philip Gardner.
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Speaker 5: Why are we covering this film? Well, it's part of
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Speaker 5: Mind Control Mkoultra month and you can't go out without
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Speaker 5: this film. I hadn't seen this film prior to us
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Speaker 5: watching it now, but it fits right along with the
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Speaker 5: last two we just watched. It's almost as if we
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Speaker 5: purposely set this up, which people don't know. We just
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Speaker 5: kind of scrambled them together and just kind of like
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Speaker 5: we're like, oh, this sounds like kind of close to
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Speaker 5: it right, has a little mk ultra and the similarities
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Speaker 5: and the threads that woven into each of these different
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Speaker 5: documentaries actually fits in with the propaganda from the Siwar,
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Speaker 5: with the experiments with the Manson family and all that.
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Speaker 5: It really I think finalizes what we've done in these
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Speaker 5: last two documentaries.
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Speaker 1: Plus, if you just go online and serve for mk
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Speaker 1: Ultra documentary, this one gets some of the top search results.
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Speaker 1: And if you go on Apple TV and you search
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Speaker 1: for mk Ultra, this thing is one of the only
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Speaker 1: results on there. So even if you just come across
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Speaker 1: as accidentally, there's probably a lot of people that were
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Speaker 1: just casually scrolling around searched for mind control or this
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Speaker 1: comes up on the normal feed, and now all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: you're watching a documentary about the actual mk ultra program.
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Speaker 5: Plotting the course, the premise and key claims right Like,
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Speaker 5: as we said, the premise is in the title an
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Speaker 5: American Mind Control mk Ultra. Anybody that's familiar with mk
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Speaker 5: ultra understands the.
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Speaker 6: Projects behind it.
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Speaker 5: I think one of the key claims for me, obviously
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Speaker 5: already knowing about mk ultra and some of these other
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Speaker 5: experiments going on was vilation of sub project one one nine,
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Speaker 5: which I wasn't super familiar with, which is also part
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Speaker 5: of this tree in this the roots of.
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Speaker 1: Mk Ultra YO the mk Ultra program as somewhere around
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Speaker 1: I think one hundred and sixty subprojects that are known.
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Speaker 1: The details all of those are not known, but yet
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Speaker 1: each individual one could have happened in a different city,
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Speaker 1: having different funding, different people ahead of it. When we
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Speaker 1: did Chaos, we mentioned doctor Jolly West. He just represented
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Speaker 1: a small handful of those subprojects. One of the other
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Speaker 1: big ones was Operation Midnight Climax, where they had these two.
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Speaker 3: Way mirror one way mirrors and they were.
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Speaker 1: Recording officials and prostitutes and drug dealers you know, on
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Speaker 1: LSD and seeing what they did out in the normal world.
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Speaker 1: That was just one of the other many different subprojects
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Speaker 1: in this whole umbrella operation.
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Speaker 5: Another key claim that they kind of like dropping here
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Speaker 5: is that forty four colleges, like three prisons and multiple
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Speaker 5: you know, military vets are part of these experiments unknowingly right,
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Speaker 5: Like I mean, some of the professors that are working
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Speaker 5: on it or like scientists and chemists, they do know
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Speaker 5: about this, but there's so many people involved. I didn't
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Speaker 5: realize there was that many colleges that were like part.
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Speaker 6: Of these programs.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, there's two different terms. If you actually
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Speaker 1: look at some of these mk ultra declassified docs, and
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Speaker 1: there's two different categories of people. Usually when this context
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Speaker 1: comes up, one of it is unknowing, but another one
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Speaker 1: is unwitting, like unwittingly, which means that you know about it,
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Speaker 1: but you just you know you're being forced to go
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Speaker 1: through it regardless.
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Speaker 3: So they talk.
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Speaker 1: About a lot of the unknowing, a lot of the
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Speaker 1: unwitting that these forty four different universities as an example,
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Speaker 1: some of those might have just looked like a guy
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Speaker 1: shows up and hangs out after your last classes out
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Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, I heard what you were saying
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Speaker 1: back there. Would you like an extra thirty grand to
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Speaker 1: just take some of that funding? Do you want to
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Speaker 1: hire some of your best students and see if you
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Speaker 1: want to run an actual Like, here's your chance to
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Speaker 1: fund this, because I represent somebody that also is interested
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Speaker 1: in knowing what your results could be, and we just
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Speaker 1: want to fund it. And if you take our money
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Speaker 1: and do it, just send us the results first and
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Speaker 1: that's it. And as long as you didn't ask any
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Speaker 1: other questions, then you got the funding. And now you
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Speaker 1: are an unknowing participant in the CIA. If you're high
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Speaker 1: up enough in you know, academia, and you see some
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Speaker 1: you know guy you've never seen before come in and
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Speaker 1: start waiving money around. Are you smart enough to be like, oh,
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Speaker 1: that's a CIA right, Like you probably know you just
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Speaker 1: don't ask the questions. It would exclude you from getting
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Speaker 1: that funding. So it's a great area as to how
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Speaker 1: many new and didn't know and how many new and.
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Speaker 3: Just didn't ask the quest questions. So there was plausible deniability.
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Speaker 5: And some of the interesting facts of that of like
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Speaker 5: where there was people that were participants in this that
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Speaker 5: maybe didn't know.
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Speaker 6: That they were participants.
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Speaker 5: One of the people was Frank Olsen that they talk about,
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Speaker 5: and Frank Olsen was administered LSD and mysteriously died and
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Speaker 5: he was a part of a lot of these programs
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Speaker 5: which people believe are led to believe that he was
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Speaker 5: maybe almost killed off or so he couldn't speak anymore.
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Speaker 1: They don't get very far into this or honestly, any
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Speaker 1: topic that comes up in this movie. It's all very
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Speaker 1: service level. So like one of the Frank Olsen, yeah,
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Speaker 1: they name drop him. They mentioned these questionable circumstances, But
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Speaker 1: the questionable circumstances were that he knew that he got
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Speaker 1: unknowingly dosed with LSD and he was having some very
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Speaker 1: major second thoughts about the nature of his entire work
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Speaker 1: at Edgewood Arsenal and some kind of biocam warfare stuff
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Speaker 1: that they were getting into, and he felt bad about it.
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Speaker 1: I think, if you go deep enough into that rabbit hole,
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Speaker 1: he felt bad about things that he knew or the
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Speaker 1: end result of the stuff that he was doing at
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Speaker 1: Edgewood Arsenal, and he was maybe gonna come out about it,
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Speaker 1: or at least was so dissatisfied with his job that
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Speaker 1: the superiors were like, let's just nip this thing in
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Speaker 1: the bud. So his questionable death is really that the
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Speaker 1: official store was that he jumped out of a window
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Speaker 1: in this hotel, but really the window did not open.
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Speaker 1: This was a non opening window, so the window was
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Speaker 1: opened by someone else, or you're smashed by someone else.
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Speaker 1: And he happened to have been staying with his CIA
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Speaker 1: handler at that time. So I mean, by all premise,
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Speaker 1: this guy was clobbered and pushed out of this like
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Speaker 1: the window was smashed, and then he got thrown out
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Speaker 1: the window, and they exhumed the body and they did
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Speaker 1: like a post mortem autopsy on like all of this
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Speaker 1: was more or less proven, and the CIA had to
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Speaker 1: pay the Olsen family a whole bunch of money because
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Speaker 1: they lost these suits, and he just one example of
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Speaker 1: so different many I'm glad that, like, anytime his name
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Speaker 1: comes up, it's worth looking into.
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Speaker 5: My favorite claim, though, is towards the end of the
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Speaker 5: film where they make the claim that Roseanne Barr makes
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Speaker 5: the claim that Michael Jackson was a result of MK
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Speaker 5: ultra and Joe Jackson was a CIA asset, and you
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Speaker 5: know all that beating on Michael and making him into
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Speaker 5: his star was part of a CIA program.
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Speaker 1: This, I mean, we're gonna start venturing into like the
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Speaker 1: overboard a moment a little bit like for me, this
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Speaker 1: was kind of one of the overboard moments of this
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Speaker 1: movie where it starts out on a lot of historical fact,
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Speaker 1: a lot of things that we've heard before, and then
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Speaker 1: it just feels like, as this guy was wrapping up
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Speaker 1: his edit of the movie, some news broke and it
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Speaker 1: was rose Ambar now claims Michael Jackson mk ultravic and
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Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I've totally I got to add this
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Speaker 1: to that movie that I'm making, And we get like
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Speaker 1: an extra twenty minutes runtime where he just focuses not
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Speaker 1: in too much depth, mind you, very shallow take, but like,
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Speaker 1: here's what Roseanne said on TV, So let's go ahead
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Speaker 1: and include that as part of this.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and no like details of like backing it up,
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Speaker 5: of like, oh, well, here's why we think Joe's cia
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Speaker 5: as a said.
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Speaker 6: I just got a little chuckle out of it.
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Speaker 5: Like I was, like, what it kind of came out
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Speaker 5: of It was a key point I wasn't expecting.
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Speaker 3: Right and now from left field.
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Speaker 5: Hidden treasures and overboard moments, I'm gonna let you start
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Speaker 5: to kick this one off.
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Speaker 6: What was your hidden treasures?
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna cut to the chase and say, I
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Speaker 1: do not recommend this film for anybody.
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Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 1: It is the worst combination of a student project and
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Speaker 1: even like a weird fetish film towards the end, which
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Speaker 1: I was not expecting to happen. I've got all of
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Speaker 1: the most pertinent details in this entire documentary in my
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Speaker 1: little MK Ultra Paranoid pamphlet. I recommend you check that
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Speaker 1: out instead. This one might put you off on it.
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Speaker 1: Don't definitely don't recommend this to normies. It'll put them off.
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Speaker 1: You'll look like a complete idiot. I don't have a
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Speaker 1: whole lot of hidden treasure here. Man, this I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: start just like you know, crapping all over this movie.
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Speaker 1: Let me hear your hidden treasure, and then I'll go
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Speaker 1: through my laundry list of overboard moments.
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Speaker 5: I really don't have any hidden treasures, per se. I
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Speaker 5: guess the only thing I kind of liked is they
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Speaker 5: brought up the Black Sorcerer. But see, the thing is
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Speaker 5: is that nothing's in detail for me in this. It's
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Speaker 5: just like, hey, you heard of a operation of Midnight Climax?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, but they don't go that.
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Speaker 5: That was probably the deepest dive they went on, is
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Speaker 5: Operation of Midnight Climax. But everything else is a brief
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Speaker 5: summary or like very surface level of like hey have
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Speaker 5: you heard of mko TU?
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Speaker 6: Pretty crazy?
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Speaker 7: Right?
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Speaker 1: If you went to Wikipedia and try to summarize the
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Speaker 1: whole article in a paragraph, and then you try to
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Speaker 1: summarize that paragraph into just a sentence or two, and
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Speaker 1: then you try to summarize those two sentences and then
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Speaker 1: just a short phrase. That's a majority of this movie,
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Speaker 1: where like, for example, they mentioned Ted Kazinski when they're
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Speaker 1: talking about mk Ultra and all these universities and there's
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Speaker 1: legitimately some really interesting ties between the mk Ultra program
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Speaker 1: and what happened to Ted Kazinski, the same way that
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Speaker 1: he was sort of the university version of a Charles
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Speaker 1: Manson and that he was this unknowing subject in this research. Anyways,
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Speaker 1: they just like, oh yeah, MK Ultra Ted Kazinski, and
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Speaker 1: then they just keep going and they don't mention anything like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: what are the substantiating facts about that? I'm interested, I
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Speaker 1: want to know more. And they didn't do that. But
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Speaker 1: what they did do was they just straight up show
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Speaker 1: porn with like a weird filter on top of it
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Speaker 1: so you can't see like it turns it black and white.
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Speaker 3: It's like an embossing filter.
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Speaker 1: But I don't know if the guy just ran out
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Speaker 1: of b roll footage at a certain point or was like, man,
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Speaker 1: I really need to put this scene somewhere. And then
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Speaker 1: it looks like he either records his girlfriend or he
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Speaker 1: hires like a fiver model to do some weird BDSM
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Speaker 1: kink footage, and now all of a sudden, the last
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Speaker 1: quarter of the movie is just this chick being strangled
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Speaker 1: over and over again with like super imposed with his
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Speaker 1: voice talking just about random mk ultra facts, like some
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Speaker 1: of the b role that he does manage to get
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Speaker 1: off of archive the Org or whatever, and like the
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Speaker 1: Prelinger archives. But he'll be talking about nineteen thirties or
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Speaker 1: nineteen forties, and it'll be a clip of a nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighties shopping mall or something, and it just had none
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Speaker 1: of the production value that I would expect even from
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Speaker 1: an absolute schizophrenic, you know, like conspiracy theorist that hasn't
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Speaker 1: seen the light of day. It still doesn't have a
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Speaker 1: lot of cohesion. Man again, like I could just keep
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Speaker 1: going over and over again. It's so much bad b
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Speaker 1: roll there. They'll just scroll the names of wars on
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Speaker 1: the bottom of the screen as he's also trying to
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Speaker 1: explain all these complicated topics, and it's like, what are
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Speaker 1: these wars about, what's the footage about, what are you
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Speaker 1: talking about? None of these things are going together. It
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Speaker 1: was just a straight up info dump. And I want
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Speaker 1: to just be clear, like I think that it's noble
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Speaker 1: to have a cause and want to make a documentary
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Speaker 1: about MK ultra and mind control and all that. And
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this is like was planned to
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Speaker 1: make anything look bad. It was just not a great
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Speaker 1: attempt man, and I just definitely do not recommend it.
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Speaker 5: No, I have to agree with one of the points
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Speaker 5: that got me when when you're talking about those b
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Speaker 5: roll film to me, it looked like that I don't
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Speaker 5: even think he hired anybody. I think that woman is
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Speaker 5: from you know, like the is stocks and all the
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Speaker 5: stock footage sites. It looked like he just got stock footage,
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Speaker 5: went to a stock footage site, paid nineteen ninety nine
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Speaker 5: a month, and was just like downloading whatever he could download.
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Speaker 5: And another part that really irked me was like he's
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Speaker 5: having these old archived moments of like you know with
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Speaker 5: military guys talking about mcoach or in different scenes of
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Speaker 5: like in the past, like from the forties and fifties whatever.
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Speaker 5: They already have a bet of music and he adds
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Speaker 5: another bet of music.
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Speaker 6: I was like, bro, this is like, what are you doing.
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Speaker 6: I liked what you said.
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Speaker 5: It's like a schizophrenic take of like film filming a
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Speaker 5: documentary and not very well though.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to go on all the different technical
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Speaker 1: editorial challenges this movie went through, but yeah, it's not
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Speaker 1: a good entry point or exit point. It might be
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Speaker 1: the last movie someone sees on mk ulture where they're
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Speaker 1: just like, oh, I don't like what a confusing topic.
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Speaker 1: I never want to hear about this again. There's so
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Speaker 1: many others that I would recommend ahead of this one.
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Speaker 1: No shade to was the Philip Gardner. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: like the cut of your jib, right. I just think
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Speaker 1: that maybe we need a V two. I mean, hell,
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Speaker 1: Loose Change had like five or six different versions and
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Speaker 1: re edits Like maybe you can re edit this, but
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Speaker 1: don't just summarize Wikipedia articles and put random b roll
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Speaker 1: in the background and call a documentary.
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Speaker 5: Testing the waters on this one is a little bit
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Speaker 5: suspect because like we're gonna do It's like we're gonna.
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Speaker 6: Do the bulk of the work for the film, you
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Speaker 6: know what I mean. So that's one thing.
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Speaker 5: I almost even skipped the Deep Dive because I was like,
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Speaker 5: wait a second, we're going to break it down and
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Speaker 5: it's like, well, why are we even watching this film?
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Speaker 5: But the Deep Dive I kind of got is Operation
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Speaker 5: Midnight Climax, the nineteen fifty four to nineteen sixty five
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Speaker 5: operation where it was a safe house of basically having prostitutes,
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Speaker 5: you know, putting LSD and different chemical compounds in their
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Speaker 5: jahns would use, for lack of better term, drinks and
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Speaker 5: you know, getting them all highed up, running around rampant,
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Speaker 5: and then then doing studies on them and making them
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Speaker 5: go crazy.
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Speaker 1: You've already given more background in context than this movie,
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Speaker 1: this documentary. And I can add on to that too,
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Speaker 1: because I've written a come a short story on Operation
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Speaker 1: Midnight Climax.
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Speaker 3: It's called that.
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Speaker 1: It's called Operation Midnight Climax. It's in my Paranoid American
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Speaker 1: History anthology. But it's this guy, George Hunter White. He's
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Speaker 1: the one that gets hired by the CIA in order
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Speaker 1: to run this operation where, yeah, he doses people behind
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Speaker 1: a one way mirror and he's got a little recording
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Speaker 1: tool there and he's making notes and a couple of
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Speaker 1: things they're trying to do. They're trying to see one
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Speaker 1: of them, if they dosed a military guy, if they
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Speaker 1: dose an officer, and they get him where he thinks
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Speaker 1: that he's, you know, just hooked up with some random
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Speaker 1: horrer on the street. He's under the influence of LSD
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Speaker 1: or any other drug you can think of. Will he
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Speaker 1: give up state secrets to this prostitute? Will he give
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Speaker 1: up state secrets to some you know, drug dealer or something,
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Speaker 1: just to see is LSD viable as this interrogation drug
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Speaker 1: where even if you know that you've got state secrets
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Speaker 1: and you're not allowed to talk about it, will this
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Speaker 1: you know, you know, loose lips help sing ships or whatever.
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Speaker 1: That that's one part of it. George Hunter White was
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Speaker 1: under the wing of a guy named William Donovan, who
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Speaker 1: was instrumental in creating the OSS that eventually led into
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Speaker 1: the the actual creation of the CIA. He was involved
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Speaker 1: with Jack Ruby. I believe that when George Hunter White
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Speaker 1: was working for the FBN, which is a precursor of
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Speaker 1: the FBI and the DEA, he busts Jack Ruby and
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Speaker 1: flips Jack Ruby and turns Jack Ruby into sort of
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Speaker 1: a state asset. It's such a wild, complicated and interesting story.
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Speaker 1: And again I hate this movie for just being like
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Speaker 1: Operation Midnight Climax. Look into it and they just keep going.
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Speaker 1: They don't like Man, there was so much in detail
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Speaker 1: and interesting things you could have left and just just
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Speaker 1: mentioned it, just thrown out the word George hunter White, just.
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Speaker 3: Throw that name out there.
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Speaker 1: I'll give I'll do you one better too that if
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Speaker 1: you like that story, there's a book called The Terrible
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Speaker 1: Mistake I believe that go. It's like a six hundred
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Speaker 1: page book that goes all about that talks about Frank Olsen.
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Speaker 1: There was also a documentary series that I kind of
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Speaker 1: wanted to recommend, but also it.
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Speaker 3: Was like eight episodes long.
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Speaker 1: I was like, hey, hey, Sean, let's watch ten hours
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Speaker 1: and do a ten minute segment on it. But it's
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Speaker 1: called Wormwood, and it is a dramatized retelling of this
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Speaker 1: factual story of Frank Olsen, all the way from him
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Speaker 1: with his kids and his family to getting dose, to
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Speaker 1: like the weird things that are going on through his head,
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Speaker 1: all the way to the point where he gets pushed
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Speaker 1: out a window. I recommend both of those so much
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Speaker 1: more than this particular movie. But I mean, if if
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Speaker 1: you come across this or have you seen it before,
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Speaker 1: or even if you're just like I want to see
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Speaker 1: what they're complaining about, if you like the topics that
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Speaker 1: come up, I mean, it's not going to give you
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Speaker 1: a whole lot more than just the Wikipedia summary, but
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Speaker 1: it will give you a whole bunch of different leads
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Speaker 1: that maybe you can follow down to rabbit holes, including
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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson and Roseanne Barr.
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Speaker 5: And you might like the b roll footage of the
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Speaker 5: Skinemax lingerie woman in the background that's blended in with
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Speaker 5: another video.
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Speaker 3: Wait.
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Speaker 1: You know what's wild, though, man, is that it was
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Speaker 1: like the movie had been done or he got, you know,
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Speaker 1: like three quarters of the way into it. He could
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Speaker 1: have called it a rap and he was like, no,
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Speaker 1: I've got another thirty minutes.
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Speaker 3: In me, but I'm all out of b roll. What
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Speaker 3: am I gonna do?
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Speaker 6: Oh?
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Speaker 3: I know what makes sense.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take some clips from literal porn movies and
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Speaker 1: this weird like fiver, you know, b roll footage, and
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Speaker 1: I'll just somehow splice that together and make that the
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Speaker 1: rest of my movie.
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Speaker 3: It's it's so weird.
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Speaker 1: And again it felt like I if I had walked
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Speaker 1: out of the room and come back in and be like, wait,
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Speaker 1: what movie just came on?
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Speaker 4: Now?
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Speaker 3: This is not the thing I was just watching.
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Speaker 6: It's that time man, stink or swim.
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Speaker 1: Clearly this is a swim right? What a great Now
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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Now, this one's a sing for me.
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Speaker 3: Again.
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Speaker 1: No shade at Philip Gardner for putting this thing together.
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Speaker 1: You got to start somewhere you can always make a
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Speaker 1: version too, but yeah, again, I wouldn't recommend this even
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Speaker 1: to myself. The title, man, the title will get you,
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Speaker 1: you know, and the cover will get you. It looks
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Speaker 1: like it's something that you would want to watch, but
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Speaker 1: just trust me, you do not want to watch this
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Speaker 1: movie unless it's in like a very like Morbid Curiosities
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Speaker 1: a way. Any other way that you could spend the
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Speaker 1: next hour would be better. Even if you're just gonna
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Speaker 1: go and look at weird b roll fiber BDSM footage
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Speaker 1: like that will be a better use of your time
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Speaker 1: than this movie.
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Speaker 5: It's a scenk for me. Fisher Price my first documentary, right.
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Speaker 5: They try to put it together, and I know we're
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Speaker 5: being critical, but definitely it's something that someone through.
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Speaker 6: It seems like an experimental.
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Speaker 5: Class project that probably got a D minus and just
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Speaker 5: barely passed because they're like, all right, you ate for effort, right,
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Speaker 5: you try to do something, but it didn't come out
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Speaker 5: very well. It's not very informative. It's very distracting the
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Speaker 5: way they filmed it. There's all kinds of different background stuff.
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Speaker 5: It's like they watch Zeitgeist and liked, you know, like
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Speaker 5: the interchanging of like the different backgrounds when they had
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Speaker 5: like the Jordan Maxwell, you know, like they try to
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Speaker 5: use some of that inspiration, but they failed, they missed
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Speaker 5: the mark. This is a total scenk for me, a shipwreck, destroyed, burn.
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Speaker 6: It, don't watch it. I wouldn't watch it.
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Speaker 1: Got two thumbs down, two tomato splats, like whatever your
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Speaker 1: metric is, this is on the bottom of that metric.
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Speaker 1: And and I'll be overly critical because when it's a
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Speaker 1: topic that I'm passionate about or something that I find
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Speaker 1: is beyond interesting and someone does it a disservice, I
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Speaker 1: think I would I would rather prefer this movie it
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Speaker 1: to have just been about some random like horse dressage
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Speaker 1: competition that kind of got you know, bumbled, I'd probably
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Speaker 1: give it more leeway. But when it's about a topic
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Speaker 1: so expansive that can go into so many cool rabbit
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Speaker 1: holes and interesting things, and then just straight up read
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Speaker 1: summaries of Wikipedia articles over unrelated b roll footage, it's
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Speaker 1: a it's a crime, right, Like I it's making me,
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Speaker 1: you know, want to hate it even more as I
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Speaker 1: just bring up that particular dynamic of it. So great topic,
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Speaker 1: horrible execution.
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Speaker 5: And I think you said it best earlier. Man, it's
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Speaker 5: a little bit self promotion, but it's true.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 5: Just get the Paranoid pamphlet mk ultra and that will
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Speaker 5: lead you in the right direction.
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Speaker 6: That will be a quick read compared to this hour.
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Speaker 5: Like you actually could probably read that in twenty thirty minutes,
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Speaker 5: and that was actually give you real information.
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Speaker 1: And lengths and names and dates and all of the
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Speaker 1: things that you would need. I guess that's the other
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Speaker 1: biggest complaint that this movie. It barely even gives you
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Speaker 1: enough information for you to go and look it up
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Speaker 1: on your own. You'd have to be like, oh, subproject,
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Speaker 1: what was that again, and then go and search for
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Speaker 1: that without getting all that extra detail. So yeah, just
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Speaker 1: go and get Paranoid American History one on one or
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Speaker 1: the mk Ultra pamphlet. Both of them have versions that
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Speaker 1: are on Amazon. So yeah, thank you for this movie
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Speaker 1: for allowing me to do a shameless plug that I
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Speaker 1: do not feel bad about one bit.
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Speaker 6: The horizon. What do we got up next?
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Speaker 3: Let's do a Kubrick month, man.
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Speaker 1: I want to I want to talk about the symbolism
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Speaker 1: of Kubrick movies and the moon stuff and the eyes
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Speaker 1: wide shut rothschild mansion stuff.
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Speaker 3: So there's three in particular.
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Speaker 1: One of them is called Room two, three seven, which
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Speaker 1: is probably the most normy oriented.
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Speaker 3: This is the one where you can get.
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Speaker 1: Just you know, co workers or your mom or something,
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Speaker 1: maybe check out and get into the idea that there's
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Speaker 1: more behind the scenes with Kubrick movies. And then we're
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Speaker 1: just gonna jump straight into the deep end with Kubrick's
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Speaker 1: Odyssey one and two, which in my opinion are conspiracy
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Speaker 1: theory documentary legends.
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Speaker 6: At this point, Oh that sounds perfect.
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Speaker 5: I mean, we got to be in that era, right, like,
24:48
Speaker 5: if we're not going with a little bit Kubrick and
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Speaker 5: get a little crazy, I think that would be a
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Speaker 5: great extension after what we just went through, especially that
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Speaker 5: washed We gotta wash our hands of this whatever the crap.
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Speaker 5: I'm not even gonna mention the name of the film.
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Speaker 5: Could read it at the bottom. But you know, this
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Speaker 5: is under the Docks. Go to kill Themockingbirds dot com.
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Speaker 5: Go to Paranoid America dot com. Go get that MK
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Speaker 5: Ultra pamphlet, go look at some of the comics.
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Speaker 6: Let's let's help share the show. This is under the Docks, Peace.
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Speaker 8: Under the dogs.
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Speaker 12: Will it light to break, give you the flight were
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Speaker 12: I gave you the proper results to hit the pavement.
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Speaker 12: If they get emotional hate may be.
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Speaker 3: Your language the game.
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Speaker 12: How they playing it well without lay becauservy and whatever.
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Speaker 11: The costs they are the shame, shit and the thanks
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Speaker 11: get the cappetated.
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Speaker 12: Man, it's the apex executional flame.
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Speaker 11: You walk with your lebomb distributed in war rather cruising
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Speaker 11: for eyes to see, maxim out and I light my trees, blowing.
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Speaker 3: Off in the face.
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Speaker 12: throat roloid American must be all the blunt spoke for
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Speaker 11: Give me your day, your way, vacate.
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Speaker 12: They wait around the hate whatever they say, man, it's
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Speaker 12: not in the least bit tween you heave, you rotate
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Speaker 12: when the beating hit some.
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Speaker 6: Things because you were from the biggers. For real, you welcome.
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Speaker 3: They ain't ever had a deal.
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Speaker 11: You're welcome, man. They lacking a pill. You're welcome.
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Speaker 6: Yet they going It's still you're welcome,