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Popeye Changed America, Part Two: Popeye Ain't Perfect · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much
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  Speaker 1: for tuning in. This is part two to two of
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  Speaker 1: our Ridiculous History of Popeye the Sailor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Sailor, the sailor Man, the sailorman. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he's a seeming if you must. If pop I ever
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  Speaker 2: sing any.
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  Speaker 1: Abba covers, yes, you're correct. He did Dancing Queen primarily.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course no.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, like we like talking about sea shanties
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  Speaker 3: and stuff like, is there any parts we.
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  Speaker 2: Have like that's sort of the lead in, but.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, sometimes toots out of his pipe, like yes, he
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  Speaker 4: absolutely toots out of his pipe.
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  Speaker 2: That's how that's just the song goes, it goes.
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  Speaker 3: It's you know, it was like Stan Hugill, like who
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  Speaker 3: is We had a little second about like who's like
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  Speaker 3: the father of them of the sea shanty He checked
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  Speaker 3: them all out. He's around the exact same time period
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  Speaker 3: as Popeye.
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  Speaker 1: Also, that's our super producer, mister Max Williams. I've been
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  Speaker 1: bullied you are, mister Nole Brown. We do have one
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  Speaker 1: thing in part two of this before we go in
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  Speaker 1: that we have to clear up we promised you at
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  Speaker 1: the end of episode one. Popeye's Chicken, a famous fast
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  Speaker 1: food franchise here in the US, is not named after
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  Speaker 1: Popeye the Sailor. At least that's what they say. According
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  Speaker 1: to Alvin C. Copeland, who founded Popeye's Chicken and Biscuit
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  Speaker 1: to New Orleans, he chose the name Popeyes as a
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  Speaker 1: tribute to his own childhood nickname, so in his estimation,
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  Speaker 1: these are unrelated.
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  Speaker 2: It is true.
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  Speaker 4: I do feel like at the time there was a time,
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  Speaker 4: I want to say, where there was a little crossover
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  Speaker 4: branding between Popeye's Chicken and Popeye the Sailor, and then
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  Speaker 4: I think it went away.
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  Speaker 2: Oof.
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  Speaker 4: I wish I have more information about that. That might
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  Speaker 4: be a topic unto itself. Because Popeye's Chicken, I will
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  Speaker 4: I will say, I think is maybe it wasn't always
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  Speaker 4: this way in the great you know, franchise fast food
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  Speaker 4: chicken joint wars of this our modern era, but I
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  Speaker 4: think is the best of the fast food fried chicken joints.
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  Speaker 4: So if you'll recall they made a huge splash with
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  Speaker 4: their spicy chicken sandwich. Remember when people were like clawing
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  Speaker 4: each other's eyes out to get those things.
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  Speaker 1: It even made it on Saturday Night Live. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: just turns out fried chicken taste Stephen better without homophobia.
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  Speaker 2: That's also true. Wait a minute, what chick fil A?
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  Speaker 2: Oh sorry, yeah, it's true. It's true.
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  Speaker 4: But man, I had some people, some friends and loved
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  Speaker 4: ones who were very much in the queer community, who
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  Speaker 4: were like, no, it's too good.
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  Speaker 2: The chicken is just too good.
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  Speaker 4: I got, I gotta get.
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  Speaker 2: I don't give him a pass, but I will give them.
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  Speaker 1: Talked about this off air. I had a at a
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  Speaker 1: situation with a lot of my because you know, I
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  Speaker 1: did sketch comedy in theater for many years and one
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  Speaker 1: of my very best friends, uh, he told me to
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  Speaker 1: I caught him eating Chick fil A in his car
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  Speaker 1: one time, and he told me that the secret had
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  Speaker 1: to die with us because his husband could never know.
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  Speaker 2: So so I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Not gonna name names, but my friend, if you were
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  Speaker 1: listening to the show, first thank you, and secondly, just
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  Speaker 1: be honest with the guy, you know, just let him
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  Speaker 1: know that you like the forbidden chicken.
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  Speaker 3: There's an sn L sketch from a number of years
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  Speaker 3: ago now, but it's a pride sketch and In part
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  Speaker 3: of it, they all get incredibly drunk at a Pride
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  Speaker 3: festival and then go eat chick fil.
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  Speaker 2: A really quickly.
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  Speaker 4: Though Popeye another famous Popeye people don't often think of
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  Speaker 4: Popeye Doyle, the character played by Gene Hackman in The
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  Speaker 4: French Connection, which is an incredible film.
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  Speaker 2: You should go watch it right now.
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  Speaker 4: It's one of the great nineteen seventies kind of detective films,
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  Speaker 4: directed by.
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  Speaker 2: The guy that did The Exorcists. What's that Dude's name
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  Speaker 2: is totally escaping.
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  Speaker 4: Me now, But anyway, I'm reading now on the Popeye
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  Speaker 4: dot fandom dot com that Popeye's Chicken and Biscuits later
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  Speaker 4: changed the name to Popeye's. Louisiana Chicken was found in
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  Speaker 4: nineteen seventy two and named after inspired by Popeye Doyle,
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  Speaker 4: the protagonists from The French Connection. They did later hook
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  Speaker 4: up with King Features Syndicate to license when they were
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  Speaker 4: a local chain before they gone international, to license some
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  Speaker 4: of that imagery, and they even sponsored a local Popeye
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  Speaker 4: television show in New Orleans, Louisiana, But in two thousand
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  Speaker 4: and six that partnership ended. So if you're having a
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  Speaker 4: mandala effect situation where like I swear Popeye's Chicken was
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  Speaker 4: related to Popeyes.
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  Speaker 2: It was, my friends, it was until it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: In retrospect though, because again the official explanation from Popeye's
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  Speaker 1: Chicken is that the founder Copeland used as his street name.
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  Speaker 1: But already we're seeing the modern mythology a million percent.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just reading off of this fandom body, But I
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  Speaker 4: do the point the part of this that I know
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  Speaker 4: to be true is that relationship with the licensing. I now,
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  Speaker 4: it existed, and then it ended, and it ended as
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  Speaker 4: recently as two thousand and six.
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  Speaker 1: Ed Here is part two of our episode on the
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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous history of Popeye.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I grew up watching a lot of these cartoons,
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  Speaker 4: early Disney cartoons and Popeye on reruns that my parents
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  Speaker 4: recorded off TV on VHS. I had no sense of
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  Speaker 4: the history of it at the time. To me, it
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  Speaker 4: was just cartoons, you know what I mean. It was like,
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  Speaker 4: That's what it was. It was fun, and I distinctly
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  Speaker 4: remember this one called Popeye the Sailor Man meets Ali
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  Speaker 4: Baba's Forty Thieves.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that nineteen thirty seven.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, doesn't hold up to a sensitivity scrutiny. I would
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  Speaker 5: argue and please, I'm just quoting from a thing that's
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  Speaker 5: always stuck with me. But there was a lot of
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  Speaker 5: like open sesame and sort of weirdly fetishization.
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  Speaker 2: Of like you know arab called Arabic court. Yes that's
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  Speaker 2: the word.
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  Speaker 4: But I just remember there's one character, it was like
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  Speaker 4: a one off character, like a snake charmer or something,
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  Speaker 4: and a market and he goes.
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  Speaker 6: Salameh, salameh blogne Just yeah, that's with me, man, And
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  Speaker 6: I guess I still think it's kind of funny, and
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  Speaker 6: I think maybe.
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  Speaker 2: We gets a little bits.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care for it when we do revisionism for
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  Speaker 4: things that are artifacts of the time, unless they're just
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  Speaker 4: egregiously offensive, which I don't think anything in this was
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  Speaker 4: egregiously offensive. Is maybe a little you know, like you said, orientalism,
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  Speaker 4: like the kind of idea of like exoticizing overly exoticizing
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  Speaker 4: you know, actual facts culture for the purposes of a cartoon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed.
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  Speaker 1: And then there is still you know, it's stuff will
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  Speaker 1: explore in a later episode on the Ottoman Empire, but
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  Speaker 1: there there was a lot of that at the time.
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  Speaker 1: To your point, it was quite common in the world
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  Speaker 1: of fiction.
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  Speaker 2: Much worse offenders even than Popeye.
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  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, some of the Looney Tunes, bugs, bunny stuff,
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  Speaker 4: the way they depicted like indigenous African cultures like having
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  Speaker 4: bad news.
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  Speaker 1: And just like the Ravens and so many Disney cartoonsters.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot. There's a lot there.
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  Speaker 4: And can I ask you a bit, how do you
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  Speaker 4: feel about folks going back and editing that stuff out?
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  Speaker 4: I just feel like if you don't learn from history
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  Speaker 4: and the attitudes of history, Like, isn't that sort of
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  Speaker 4: a bit foolish, a bit shortsighted, Like the idea of
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  Speaker 4: going back.
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  Speaker 2: And editing Roll Doll's books.
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  Speaker 4: To remove any problematic or fat shaming language or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I just I find that.
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  Speaker 4: To be a little PC culture run a muck. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not trying to soapbox here, but I'm interested in your thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Another similar comparison would be the original title of
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  Speaker 1: Agatha Christie's Ten Little Indians, which it was not originally
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  Speaker 1: that Uh yeah, I would argue the best way to
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  Speaker 1: address that is to have both versions exist. You don't
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  Speaker 1: try to erase things from history, because to your point,
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  Speaker 1: that will just lead to people repeating some iteration of
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  Speaker 1: the original sin. So I think what we do is
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  Speaker 1: we have or at least as civilization as the original,
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  Speaker 1: unedited one unrevised a warts and all, and then the
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  Speaker 1: second one, which is maybe the one the kids see,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, when they when they're first
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  Speaker 1: getting into books or films or things like that.
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  Speaker 2: I agree, But then it's the kind.
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  Speaker 4: Then the other version is the one you maybe teach
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  Speaker 4: in uh in a college class, you know, about the
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  Speaker 4: nature of changing attitudes and changing ideas and depictions of
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  Speaker 4: things throughout history.
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  Speaker 1: And then uh, we've got goons goon as a good
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  Speaker 1: squad in town be beeper, should I say?
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  Speaker 2: There we go?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that didn't originate with Popeye, but they did have
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  Speaker 1: a goon family, which is why we mentioned the X
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  Speaker 1: Files episode Home Bro.
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  Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be a good name for a wrap crew?
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  Speaker 2: Goon FAM's god.
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  Speaker 4: Got so good, especially with the new parlance of what
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  Speaker 4: gooning has become in.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh let's see, Uh, oh, goon.
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  Speaker 2: Squad man, that's the goon fam or goon squad.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, goon squad surely is taken, but goon fam might
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  Speaker 4: be available.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well let us know. Sorry, it's tough
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  Speaker 1: because urban dictionaries taken over a lot of the the
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  Speaker 1: casual research we could do.
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  Speaker 4: We are there is there is a SoundCloud registered to
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  Speaker 4: goon fam. But like every time I Google a band,
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  Speaker 4: I'm working on a project right now, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 4: name I Google an idea. I have registered to a
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  Speaker 4: single SoundCloud with two followers, and I'm like, does that
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  Speaker 4: even count?
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  Speaker 2: It's the same with us looking up new podcast titles.
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  Speaker 2: It's very annoying.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Uh. Speaking of annoying, I always found Sweepy annoying,
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  Speaker 1: just as spelling. It's sweet pee, but it's spelled s
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  Speaker 1: w e E apostrophe pe.
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  Speaker 4: Because he's a widow sweepy baby, but he's also a
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  Speaker 4: widow sweetpe.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like it, but I understand it.
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  Speaker 2: It's a dubloonte So it's.
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  Speaker 1: July twenty fourth, nineteen thirty three. Sweepye is a foundling
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  Speaker 1: infant who's literally left on Popeye's front door step.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, classic orphans, the abandoned, you know, babe in the
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  Speaker 4: in the baskets and all of that stuff, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And he was like, just like Popeye, he was
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  Speaker 1: a minor character when he was first introduced, but he
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  Speaker 1: becomes increasingly important and just like his adoptive father, he's
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  Speaker 1: got skills. You know, he can fight.
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  Speaker 4: He sort of popeyees scrappy to Scooby, kind of racow,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and he and he and boy, he likes
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  Speaker 4: to fight. I guess his father just gets him hopped
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  Speaker 4: up on the spinach from an early age, you know.
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  Speaker 4: But now that we're talking about the spinach angle, I imagine,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, of course this is obvious. The spinach industry
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  Speaker 4: must have loved that because the implication there is like
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  Speaker 4: eat your vegetables and you'll be able to.
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  Speaker 2: Kick ass, you know, like Popeye.
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  Speaker 4: So him feed the baby these like green amphetamines, getting
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  Speaker 4: them all hopped up and jacked so you can punch
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  Speaker 4: bad guys.
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  Speaker 2: Totally acceptable message for kids.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly right. And this this is interesting. I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: you brought this up because one of my initial questions
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  Speaker 1: was that Popeye was maybe or maybe secret was paid.
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  Speaker 2: To by spinach lobby.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's what I suspected, But that doesn't appear
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  Speaker 1: to be the case. It looks like that's a secret creation.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I mean it was realized if it was
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  Speaker 4: gonna be like that, then maybe it would have been
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  Speaker 4: something more like you know, Hydrox cookies or something like
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  Speaker 4: more a specific branded thing. I mean, I don't think,
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  Speaker 4: you know, necessarily he was as a creator, was thinking
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  Speaker 4: about the industry, you know when he did it, because
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  Speaker 4: like many creators too, it's like he's not necessarily seeing
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  Speaker 4: the big picture of how this is going to absolutely
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  Speaker 4: infiltrate every aspect of American life and culture and and
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  Speaker 4: have statues built in Popeye's honor godlike in the spinach fields.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think we know it probably came about
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  Speaker 1: because there was a common misconception about the iron content
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  Speaker 1: of spinach around that time, and so it was seen
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  Speaker 1: as a superfood, you know, the same way that the
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  Speaker 1: British government propagated this idea that carrots were really good
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  Speaker 1: for your eyesight.
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  Speaker 2: M So.
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  Speaker 4: But that being said, though, both spinach and carrots are
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  Speaker 4: pretty super foods. I mean, like, you know, they've got
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  Speaker 4: a lot of good nutrients. They're very dense and nutrients,
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  Speaker 4: and people like to put spinach in like a smoothie
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  Speaker 4: or whatever, and and carrots do have a lot of
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  Speaker 4: vitamin C and et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: They're good for you yeah, they're not. They're not bad
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  Speaker 1: for you, but there's a whole to view you with
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  Speaker 1: magic bowers. Right, I have one one slight soapbox a
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  Speaker 1: complaint for the part it's of ridiculous history. I think
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  Speaker 1: spinach is incredibly misleading when you buy it. If you're
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  Speaker 1: going to make anything other than a spinach salad, you
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  Speaker 1: need to buy like four times as much. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's basically one cooked leaf in each bag.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it is the saddest thing if you're
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  Speaker 4: not aware of this and you think I'm gonna prepare
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  Speaker 4: a spinach fee from looking at this giant bag.
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  Speaker 2: Of spinach and you cook it down and it's like,
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  Speaker 2: where did it all go? It's all water. It's all
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  Speaker 2: just full of water. Once you cook the water out,
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  Speaker 2: we will to you.
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  Speaker 4: Really do need no joke about four x the amount
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  Speaker 4: you might think of how much? But boy do I
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  Speaker 4: love sawds hanging spinach with a little salt and pepper
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  Speaker 4: and some garlic. I think it's wonderful, really delightful flavor. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: don't care for it. Raw though not my thing. Don't
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  Speaker 4: really like a spinach salad. I like in arugula salad,
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  Speaker 4: but not so much, spinach.
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  Speaker 1: I'll deal with it in a you know, make a
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  Speaker 1: little Mediterranean drop some Feta in there, you know, meta
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  Speaker 1: meta feta. We know that there is one more key
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  Speaker 1: character of the pantheon. We much yeah, you too. He
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  Speaker 1: is the adversary. He is the yin to the Yang
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  Speaker 1: of Popeye. He becomes a recurring. Originally he is just
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  Speaker 1: you know, like a battie. He could be a Monster
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  Speaker 1: of the week. He's always creepily after olive oil. But
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  Speaker 1: he becomes famous and his role in the pantheon is
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  Speaker 1: cemented because of his prominence in those cartoons, the Fleisher
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  Speaker 1: cartoons you mentioned earlier.
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  Speaker 4: And much like what happened when the Simpsons ran out
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  Speaker 4: of ideas. No, no, not too much shade on the Simpsons.
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  Speaker 4: I love the Simpsons. They had occupy really span. Honestly
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  Speaker 4: think they've kind of come back a little bit in
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  Speaker 4: recent years, like what I've seen. But remember how for
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  Speaker 4: the longest time, like they would just do like here
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  Speaker 4: here's the Simpsons, but like as Harry Potter, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in the Harry you know, they would do that with Popeye.
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  Speaker 4: Like I mentioned the Ali Baba and the forty Thieves
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  Speaker 4: and that cartoon, Blueto is Ali Baba.
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  Speaker 2: Basically he's like.
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  Speaker 4: Riding around swinging a scimitar, slightly brown skinned, a little
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  Speaker 4: bit darker, little little darker than normal complexion. There's another
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  Speaker 4: one that I'm actually, after we get off of this,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go on a YouTube rabbit hole because I
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  Speaker 4: can't remember so many of these cartoons and I think
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna remember a lot more than I think I do.
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  Speaker 4: But there was an Aladdin's Magic Lamp one where Popeye
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  Speaker 4: is Aladdin.
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  Speaker 2: So like, you know, they.
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  Speaker 4: Insert these characters into other roles in other popular you know,
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  Speaker 4: kind of pieces of literature that people would have been
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  Speaker 4: aware of.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of multiversal.
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  Speaker 4: It is a little multiversal, yeah. And then then there
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  Speaker 4: certainly were the standard, you know, just.
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  Speaker 7: Domestic disputes, like Blueto basically just beats the out of
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  Speaker 7: Popeye and he takes it and on the chin until
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  Speaker 7: he takes no more, and then he pops that spinach
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  Speaker 7: and goes to town.
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  Speaker 2: But that's the finale because only then do you get.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and then like usually there's some different animation
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  Speaker 4: when he pops the spinach. I described one where his
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  Speaker 4: little tiny little steamship on his bicep.
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  Speaker 2: Pumps up to become this massive destroyer.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you can get an animation of a factory on
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  Speaker 1: the bicep.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: It zooms inside and then also there's like pistons pumping
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  Speaker 4: and stuff, you know, and then it zooms back out
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  Speaker 4: and then he just lets Bluedo have it.
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  Speaker 1: And we all, at least here in the West, we
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  Speaker 1: are all very aware of these Popeye tropes. It's so
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  Speaker 1: widespread that you don't actually have had to see the
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  Speaker 1: cartoon that's exactly right to know it right. And it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like I was talking with a friend of
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  Speaker 1: the show about two thousand and one Space Odyssey. They
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  Speaker 1: watched it for the first time, and they said, I
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: appreciate it, but it was kind of predictable. Yet the
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: only reason that's predictable, I call it the curse of
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: the classic. It's predictable because it's been derived or it
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: so many things derived from it.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Well, like the Matrix is a perfect example of that.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: You watch the Matrix now you're like, oh, they're using
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: that corny bullet time, but they invented that. That was
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: like the first time anyone had ever seen those three
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: sixty freeze frame. You know, levitating shots or whatever, and
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: then it just got ripped off Zack Snyder among other offenders.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: And now when you go back and watch the original,
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: it looks played out and kind of like hacky. But
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: they're the It's sort of like watching Twilight Zone episodes
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: because they created, you know, so many of these tropes
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: that just get used to death, and when you watch
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: it it seems dated, but in fact it was prescient.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: It was incredibly ahead of its time.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Agreed, one hundred percent well said. And now as we're
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: approaching the end of the show, we got to tell you, folks,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: there's a bit of a pickle here for astute, ridiculous storm.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: The ip of it all right.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, Segar passed away on October thirteenth, nineteen thirty eight.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: He was not even ten years into the worldwide phenomenal
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: success of Popeye. The last strip he made published on
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: October second, nineteen thirty eight, and just eleven days after
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: he saw it in print, he died. And so after
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: his illness and his eventual passing, there was a cavalcade
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: of people who were hired to write and draw or
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: draw or write this strip.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: There were because the strips continuing as the cartoon. No,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: or wait, did Seger die before the cartoon explosion? No?
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: I think he was still around for that, Okay, but
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: they were obviously this existed in so many formats. There
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: was the cartoon, the comic strips, there were comic books,
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: jundizing like think of anything that you can think of
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: for like a Mickey Mouse. This was more or less
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: at that same level of explosive popularity.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: So they had to keep the train on the tracks
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: right right. They had a golden money machine.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a golden a golden Caanta spinach, a golden whifflehn,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: whatever the we golden jeep, a golden jeep, just so
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: jeep jeep. And first there's a guy named Tom Simms
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: who takes the helm and he was writing while he
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: was writing for the comic while Seger was alive. He
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: started Tom started writing in August of nineteen thirty eight.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: He made some spinoffs of different things. And there's a
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: guy with a name. I think we'll all love a
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: guy whose real name was Doc Winner. Talk about nominative determinism.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Good on him.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he'd worked for Secret between January and May of
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: nineteen thirty a and actually acted as Sims artist, with
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Bella zeb taking over in December of nineteen thirty nine.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Then in fifty four, Sims past the torch of writing
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: on the daily strip to a guy named Ralph Stein,
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: who would continue to work with Zaboli until the daily
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: and Sunday strips were taken over by Bud Sagendorf, which
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: is about the most nineteen fifties name I can think of,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Bud Sagendorf.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: And speaking of funny names, of course there are other
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: There's already a wealth and ecosystem of different characters.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: You got to feed the universe at this point, right, right, So.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: They're bringing back just like the MCU Marvel Cinematic Universe
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: brought back the Avengers right and brought them to the
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: big screen. Sagendorf in particular is bringing back a lot
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: of obscure characters from the Popeye Pantheon. Popeye Pantheon exactly,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Folks like oje, what wa watas nozzle like what a nose?
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh I see?
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: And and of course who could forget the golden times
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: we spent with King Blows.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Oh find a SoundCloud?
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly?
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Thinking the same thing as like the next the latest
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: hyper pop you know, sensation King blows.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Oh uh.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: And then on January first, two thousand and nine, something
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: we alluded to a little bit earlier. Uh Seeger's comic
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: strips became public domain in most of the rest of
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the world. They're still on they were still undercopyright in
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the US at the time, but for the rest of
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the world, you could do whatever you wish with the
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: comic strip version of Popeye, but the TV stuff, the films,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: the theme music, other media that was Popeye but not
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Popeye and comic strips that still had, you know, its
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: own complicated series of trademarks and IP rights.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's uh, I don't know.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: I think it's a problematic part of the legal system
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: that we have here, especially when you can have giant
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: corporations like Disney actually put pressure on the government to
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: allow them to extend their copyrights.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: You know, that's what happened with the Mouse.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: The mouse, and I hope you can hear the capital
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: M when we say that, folks, we know that we
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: know that King Features, the syndicate we mentioned earlier still
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: has trademark rights through some derivative or another over Popeye.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Because trademarks don't expire unless they cease to be used,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and it's sort of like it's the reason why Sony
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: will always put out another Spider Man film.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or there's a name for it. I think we
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: talked about this, like in the hell Raiser franchise. I
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: forget who it was, but some company owned the rights
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: to the hell Raiser stuff, and in order to continue
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: to maintain control over those rice, they have to release
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: something even if it sucks.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: And they call those Ashcan movies.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: That's right, And I don't remember exactly where the terms
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: derived from, but there are a handful of these, Like
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, a lot of the direct to video Hell
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Raiser movies are quite awful. I would argue maybe only
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: one through three, and the new one I thought was
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: pretty badass. But there's a whole stretch of real stinky
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Hell Raiser movies. There's a couple that are like porn
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: b grade bad. You know, the makeup is bad. But
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: they literally released it just so they could maintain control
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: over that intellectual property.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: And Clive Barker had no inputs, no, nor we.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Sold the rights way to that long ago.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's pretty upfront about that in interviews. Yeah,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: but also Clive Barker, amazing writer, one of the best.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: If you're listening and you have teenage kids, one of
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the best young adult books in the language is The
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Thief of Always.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: It's men magically meaningful book to me growing up, beautiful illustrations.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: It's just I think Clive Barker and Neil Gaiman are
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: kind of cut from the same cloth too as well.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Like to me, like Thief of Always is a very
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Neil Gayman esque type story.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I think it's.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: So so, so so good, and you know, you could
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: sit make it a movie like American Gods could be
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: called a Clive Barker.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Esque That's what I mean. Yeah, that is.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I hope they like each other, man, I hope they're
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: cool with each other.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: They like such a great they are. I don't know.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know what made it seems like they should
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: collabor something, because they really do have a similar sensibility.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: But oh I did sorry, did you real estately? I
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: did hear that? You know?
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Henry Seleek, who the amazing stop motion Animatory and Coraline
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: and Christmas. His new movie is supposedly going to be
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: an adaptation of Neil Gaiman's The ocean at the end
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: of the lane or the ocean, sorry, the ocean at
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: the end of the universe.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Of things I'm in.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's essentially a spiritual successor to Coral. And
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: the book was awesome and Henry Selick rules and I.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Love it when he does Neil game and stuff, so
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: look forward to see that.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: But Ocean at the end of the laying, that's one awesome.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: We've got just.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: A couple of things that we need to let you
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: know about Popeye, folks. We said there were a lot
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: of characters. They were well over one hundred and fifty
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: individuals and groups. A lot of them again are one shots,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: meaning they show up Monster the Week style and then
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: they never appear again. We do have to note not
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: all of these aged well, especially when you're looking at
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: stuff that involves the African continent or you know, the
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: World War two propaganda pretty offensive against Japanese people. You
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: can find these on YouTube.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: You can, you know, picture the grossest stereotype you can imagine,
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: and it's probably that very in line with the like
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: we were talking about earlier that Disney any propaganda films
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: featuring Donald Duck.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Like what is it called the Furor's face in the
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: furor's face, Oh yeah, you can find that.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: And you know, the the Walt Disney Corporation basically disowns
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: all of that stuff and doesn't talk about it and
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: doesn't display it in any of their historical representations or
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: you know whatever curates exhibitions exactly right. But and I
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: think I've mentioned on the show before, if you're ever
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: in the San Francisco area, highly recommend you check out
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: the Disney Family Museum, which is I think paid for
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: by like a trust left by Walt Disney, you know,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: for his like his heirs, And that museum contains all
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: the crazy Disney propaganda stuff, the posters, clips, and also
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: a lot of prototypes for things that would would ultimately
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: become rides at Disneyland, the optical printer, a lot of
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: the technology that the Disney Corporation invented, you know, the
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: multiplane camera, the real deal, really really cool place.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Highly record and that even if you're not a Disney head.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: And we also recommend partnering with agricultural products to make
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: your comic strip famous. Popeye cartoons were or actually just
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: sell your spinach. Popeye cartoons were so popular during the
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Depression that sales of spinach increased by thirty three percent.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Just for a second, and we know how crazy and
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: ridiculous this sounds. Just for like a little bit of time.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: During the Great Depression, spinach was the number three most
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: popular food for kids. The first was ice cream, the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: second was turkey, the third was spinach. It was a weird,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: weird time.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: That's very that does not track. Kids do not like spinach.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: It's not anymore well, and especially not anymore canned spinach.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: I could see using it maybe in a frittata or something,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: or using it as a cooking ingredient, but it just
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: weirds me out. I don't think I could just eat
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: spinach from a can. But also, you know, it was
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: lean times and you could stockpile these, you know, and
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: they would keep, so it makes sense.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but canned spinach is kind of depressing.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: It's really present.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: It's it looks like it's like eating wet tobacco or
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: something like.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not really even when it's seasoned. Well, we'll
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: have an episode on artificial flavors later, but I like
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: caned spinach is how did we get here?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: A moment? Right? It's sort of like I was first
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: exposed to the vegetable of beats, the vegetable of beats
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: through canned beats that you would see.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: You know, around the holidays or whatever, these bright blood
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: red sliced monstrosities. And so I think I don't like beats.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Turns out, though, if you buy a beat with the
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: root on it and everything, and you cut off the stem,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: wrap it in some tinfoil, season it with some salt
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: and pepper and some olive oil, and roasted in the oven,
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: it is an earthy, delightful, sumptuous treat for the palate
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: and the mind.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I hear you, man, It took me a long time.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I can eat beats now. It took me a long time, though,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: because I had.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Olden beats, beats.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I don't talk about this often on air, but when
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I was living pretty rough in Central America, I was
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: scarred by the same remo lachas like beats, canned beats
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: as we're talking about, because it was one of the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: things I could afford to eat. It was a beat
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: salad and the taste of dirt. It was a how
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: why am I here? Kind of situation. But I may
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I made peace with them, and this is not in
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: any way to cast dispersion upon the good, hard working
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: folks of Guatemala. It's just I never never want to
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: see a can beat again. I don't want to smell them.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I would rather eat actual dirt.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, I agree, And then that's what I'm saying, is like,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: I think the same is true of canned spinach. Somebody
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: might be exposed to spinach for the first time, getting
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: dumped out of a can on their plate, not realizing
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: that if you cook it down the real fresh kind,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: it's a whole lot better culinary experience. And Ben, when
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: I have you over for dinner this summer, hopefully soon,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: for a little cookout, I'm gonna make a roasted golden
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: beet salad with raspberries and arugula.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: And uh and fresh goat cheese.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: And I'm telling you it's gonna it's gonna knock your
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: socks off.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Look forward to it. I trust you. You have me
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: at the cheese quite off.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, put cheese on anything. Its true.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: But Ben, do we have any fun little tidbits or
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: little nuggets that we've missed to wrap this baby up?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, we've got We've got a lot. And I
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: think we're gonna hear from our fellow listeners over on
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: our Facebook page, Ridiculous Historians. Uh there is again. I
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: think what amazed all of us, Noel Max, myself and
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: hopefully you folks, is the sheer amount of influence that
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: this one comic strip or idea has had on American culture.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: They invented jeep, that's nuts. They invented whimp Are you
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: kidding me?
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: That's at least that's that's the that's that's the belief.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: It's hard with language like that, you know what I mean,
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: because it's it could have been a slang term that
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: was already being thrown around and they jumped on it,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: but it was a little more niche perhaps, And then
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: you get a character like that that just spreads it
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: far and why And we know what Wimpy is. Yeah,
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: he's like Shaggy and Scooby Doo. He's he's he's busy
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: hiding in a corner eating eating sandwiches or in his case, hamburgers.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say Shaggy as in the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: music Star.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was I love that, I would love I would.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Actually it wasn't me is the banger first? It's the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: ten ten statement that Wimpy would make if he was
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: caught cheating.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, he also you know what, that's a good point.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: But he also was kind of a bit.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Of a a guy that would cheat. I believe, in fact,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: there are scenes where he cheats at cards. Maybe I'm
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: making that up, but I do feel like he was
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: a bit of a of a of a no good
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: nick kind of but not so not evil, just mischievous
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: and dishonest and kind of a sack of.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Shit, you know, Scamp. He's a scared.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: He's not doing murder, but he will probably do some
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: stamp fraud.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: He would do the thing where he'd like tie a
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: string around a dime and drop it in the payphone
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: and then pull it back out.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: That's the kind of win and fake stamps as well,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: little mild stamp fraud, a little you know, you get
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: in situations, folks. We're having a lot of fun with this.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: There's more to get to. As as said earlier, we're
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: going to go in our own YouTube rabbit holes because
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I gotta rewatch forty thieves again, the Alibaba and Aladdin.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna watch both of those back to back the
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: moment I get out of here.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited because.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: I distinctly remember. And they're long too, guys, Uh, longer
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: than you think. I mean, these were big productions like
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: the Disney shorts. These are twenty twenty five minutes sometimes,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: so it's like, you know, they tell a tale, and we.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed exploring this tale with us. Big big
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: thanks to our super producer mister Max Williams at our
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: own composer. I love to say that, mister Alex Williams
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and who else lots of.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: People and to just jump in here real quick. Special
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: shout out to our research associate for this episode, no
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: other than mister Ben Bolin.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Of course, he's Jeff Coaches.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Chris rossiotis here at Spirit, Jonathan Strickland, the quiz str a,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: Jay bombas Jacob's the Puzzler, Max with the Facts with
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: or without usually with and Ben, you my friend? Uh
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: what am I am? I I'll be wimpy to your Popeye.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: I think that's okay. Oh and I'll do that here.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: I'll go gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger for
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: some ridiculous history.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Today we're gonna can be y'all's olive oil. Do you
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: bet you can't.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: By the way, I always thought that she was didn't
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: really do it for me, guys, you didn't quite understand
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: why the boys were following. Was she like the only
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: woman the deal nos of anybody type that I always got.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: I found her to be animated, to be a little
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: let's just say homely.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I know exactly what you mean, because I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: remember thinking that as well, reading these readings comics growing
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: up or seeing the cartoons, and it's like, come on, Popeye.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: You can do better.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: She's also kind of what's the flighty and like always
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: playing games, Like she's always kind of going for Blueto
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: until he like sexually assaults her.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it also, uh, look, not to disparage her character,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: but I think she was designed or written this way.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: She doesn't bring solutions to the table. She brings problems,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: and that's not good for a relationship. I've thought about
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: this way too much.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: No, I found her to be a bit of a
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: toxic person. She didn't really bring much to the table.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I can't wait for the emails. Oh one time. By
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: the way, Popeye did force feed Spinach to Blueto so
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: that Blueto could finally beat the snot out of him,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and he could evoke sympathy from olive oil.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: So there's a toxic Yeah, but is already jacked? Man?
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: That guy's already like pounding all the muscle milks or whatever.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: You know, did he even need that edge? You think
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: he already?
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: He clearly had no problem, you know, kicking Popeye's butt
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: until Popeye, you know, like sucked down his magic leaves.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Yes, you said, Ben, We could go on and on,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: but we're wrapping up the show, aren't we.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, sir, a big shout out to our own
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: personal Blueto, which is, of course, can you guess?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Uh? I don't know. Jonathan Strickland is not really a
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Blueto esque figure.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: We haven't seen him in a while.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: We don't know. Maybe he might have gotten jacked again.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Remember that, remember Jack Jonathan period. It was amazing man.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, folks.
• 37:03
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• 37:07
  Speaker 4: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.