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Hell and Gone Murder Line: Twilight Crooks Part 2 · Hell and Gone: Murder Line

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Speaker 3: It was late at night, just before eleven PM on
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Speaker 3: August twenty eighth, two thousand and one, when fifteen year
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Speaker 3: old jesse Marie Twilight Song Crooks who went by Twilight,
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Speaker 3: took a late night phone call at her home on
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Speaker 3: Larma Mill Road in Plano, Kentucky. The call came from
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Speaker 3: a phone booth at the Plano Country Store. Twilight's parents
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Speaker 3: thought that she was doing her homework that night, taking
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Speaker 3: a shower and going to bed, But a few minutes
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Speaker 3: after getting that phone call, Twilight snuck out of her house.
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Speaker 3: Twilight's friends told police that was a regular thing for her,
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Speaker 3: that when she wanted to sneak out, she would run
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Speaker 3: the shower to cover the fact that she was slipping
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Speaker 3: out the door or opening and going through the window.
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Speaker 3: According to police reports, when Twilight left her house that night,
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Speaker 3: she was wearing pajamas and was barefoot, but when her
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Speaker 3: body was found on September tenth, two thousand and one,
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Speaker 3: Twilight was wearing a high school jersey with the number
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Speaker 3: ten on the back and her blue jeans. Investigators have
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Speaker 3: said they believe Twilight knew the person that she was
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Speaker 3: heading out to meet, but Twilight went to Greenwood High
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Speaker 3: School and the jersey was from Edmonton High School. We've
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Speaker 3: been diving into rumors of an older crowd, a methring,
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Speaker 3: and a mysterious white truck, among other leads, and trying
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Speaker 3: to decide who's behind those black boxes on a redacted
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Speaker 3: police report, to see if we can find out if
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Speaker 3: one of them knows who put Twilight in those woods.
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Speaker 3: Line as we said last, Week twilight had been talking
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Speaker 3: to a guy who she met when she was visiting
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Speaker 3: her mom In, Clarksville, tennessee and they planned to meet
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Speaker 3: In cincinnati on a church. Trip On september twenty, fourth
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Speaker 3: two thousand and, one police executed a search warrant On
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Speaker 3: twilight's family, home where she lived with her, Dad bobby
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Speaker 3: and her Stepmother, linda covering both their home and their two.
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Speaker 3: Vehicles police were looking for the home, computer the one
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Speaker 3: That twilight had used to communicate with the guy In,
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Speaker 3: cincinnati but police also said in their warrant application that
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Speaker 3: the home should be considered a crime scene since it
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Speaker 3: was the last place Where twilight was seen. Alive they
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Speaker 3: took The dell computer that she had been using to
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Speaker 3: communicate with this guy In, Cincinnati, ohio Who twilight's friends
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Speaker 3: said was twenty four years. Old they also took, cassettes,
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Speaker 3: videos and some Of twilight's other personal. Items as we
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Speaker 3: said last, week police went through her email, communications but
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Speaker 3: they found nothing that would indicate that this guy In
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Speaker 3: cincinnati had anything to do With twilight's. Disappearance they also
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Speaker 3: went to his house In ohio they interviewed. Him they
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Speaker 3: confirmed that he was not in town around the time
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Speaker 3: When twilight went, missing so to have been ruled. Out
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Speaker 3: but wild detectives were going Through twilight's. Room they also
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Speaker 3: found something, Else twilight's, diary and in that diary were
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Speaker 3: details of a rave party that she went to On,
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Speaker 3: Saturday august twenty fifth In. Lexington they found a folder
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Speaker 3: with directions to that rave. Party it was held at
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Speaker 3: a place called The force near the. Airport it's frustrating,
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Speaker 3: because like a lot of the cases we, cover there
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Speaker 3: are no hard, facts just rumors that circulate from people in.
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Speaker 3: Town the main rumors seemed to involve a few, themes
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Speaker 3: one That twilight was killed by the guy she was
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Speaker 3: talking to on the, internet which, again after reading through this,
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Speaker 3: case while it seems like police ruled, out another is
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Speaker 3: That twilight was killed over drugs and that she was
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Speaker 3: shot in the, chest but the autopsy reports indicates that
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Speaker 3: there was a knife present at the scene and doesn't
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Speaker 3: mention a. Gun some people indicated that they Believed twilight accidentally,
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Speaker 3: overdosed but that doesn't seem to match the evidence of
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Speaker 3: the crime scene police found rope and duct. Tape we're
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Speaker 3: going through the rumors one by, one and one of
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Speaker 3: them is That twilight hung out with an, older fast
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Speaker 3: crowd a, lot that there was drug, use and that
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Speaker 3: she went to this rave party and that something bad happened.
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Speaker 3: There Could twilight have gotten into an altercation with someone
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Speaker 3: at that, party something that spilled over From saturday night
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Speaker 3: into the school. Week we needed to get past that
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Speaker 3: third hand info and go back to the redacted police
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Speaker 3: report and see if we could figure out who the
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Speaker 3: last people to See twilight alive actually. Were through our,
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Speaker 3: digging we found out one of the last people to
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Speaker 3: See twilight alive that night was a friend of hers Named.
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Speaker 3: Amanda she was a student At Anchored Christian academy at the.
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Speaker 3: Time amanda told police she had Known twilight for around four.
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Speaker 3: Years she described herself As twilight's best. Friend amanda had
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Speaker 3: more details about that rave. Party she said that she
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Speaker 3: Saw twilight The saturday before she, disappeared before the rave.
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Speaker 3: Party she said they went to The Greenwood mall together
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Speaker 3: and That twilight was talking about her plan to go
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Speaker 3: to the. Rave twilight's friends also told police that she
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Speaker 3: had a group of older friends that consisted of guys and,
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Speaker 3: girls but were not sure who she actually hung out
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Speaker 3: with at the, rave other than the fact that she
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Speaker 3: went there with a girl From Warren Central High, school
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Speaker 3: and she later told her friends that while she was
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Speaker 3: at the, Party twilight met two guys and was trying
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Speaker 3: to score. Acid amanda didn't go to the, party but
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Speaker 3: she said she talked To twilight about the party at
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Speaker 3: school On. Monday twilight was Telling amanda she took a
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Speaker 3: lot of drugs at that. Party she said she took, acid,
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Speaker 3: ecstasy and heroin and felt pretty hungover and rough all
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Speaker 3: day On. Sunday, Actually amanda said That twilight went home
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Speaker 3: early from school On monday because she still felt pretty
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Speaker 3: rough from the, party But twilight was back at school
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Speaker 3: On tuesday and presumably feeling, better and according To, amanda
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Speaker 3: there was no mention of anything going wrong at the
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Speaker 3: rave or of any drama going. Down amanda was With
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Speaker 3: twilight on the night she. Disappeared that, Night august twenty,
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Speaker 3: eighth two thousand and, One amanda said they walked to
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Speaker 3: a friend's house whose name was, redacted at around seven. Pm,
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Speaker 3: now this match is the timeline Of twilight telling her
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Speaker 3: dad and stepmom that she had dinner with a. Friend
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Speaker 3: After twilight had dinner with a, friend she went back
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Speaker 3: to her. House amanda then went over To twilight's house
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Speaker 3: and they walked together to The plano, store and, then
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Speaker 3: according To, amanda they went over to another friend's house
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Speaker 3: whose name is also. Redacted they arrived at that friend's
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Speaker 3: house at around seven forty five to eight.
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Speaker 1: Pm.
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Speaker 3: Now amanda said that while they were at The plano
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Speaker 3: store between seven and seven forty five that, night they
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Speaker 3: talked to the clerk whose name Was. Deep they said
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Speaker 3: hi to another girl that Attends Greenwood High. School amanda
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Speaker 3: wasn't sure of her. Name she just said That twilight
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Speaker 3: had said hi to her while they were at the.
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Speaker 3: Store twilight was talking To amanda about her love. Life
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Speaker 3: she Told amanda about the guy From, cincinnati the one
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Speaker 3: she had been talking to on the. Internet twilight said
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Speaker 3: that that guy had been acting strange and wasn't really
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Speaker 3: talking to her. Now amanda also mentioned someone, else someone
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Speaker 3: who she Said twilight was sexually interested, in someone who
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Speaker 3: drove a big white, truck possibly with an extended. Cab
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Speaker 3: you may remember from last week that police interviewed people
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Speaker 3: who live near the area Where twilight's remains were. Found
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Speaker 3: they said they saw a white truck one they didn't
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Speaker 3: recognize in that area After twilight. Disappeared the question is
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Speaker 3: could this have been the same white. Truck amanda said
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Speaker 3: she worried sometimes About. Twilight she worried something bad would
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Speaker 3: happen to her because she Said twilight was really. Open
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Speaker 3: twilight had a habit of meeting strangers at The plano
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Speaker 3: store and sometimes inviting them to hang. Out After amanda
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Speaker 3: And twilight were done hanging out at the unnamed friend's,
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Speaker 3: House amanda said that this girl and her sister gave
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Speaker 3: them a ride back To twilight's house because quote they
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Speaker 3: didn't want them walking alone in the dark end Quote
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Speaker 3: amanda told investigators they were hanging out in the car
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Speaker 3: Near twilight's. House she Said twilight left the vehicle at
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Speaker 3: nine thirteen. Pm amanda said she was sure of the
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Speaker 3: time Because twilight had to be home at nine to.
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Speaker 3: Fifteen it was a two minute walk from where they
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Speaker 3: were To twilight's. House, however there's another, witness the person
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Speaker 3: who told police that he was at The plano store
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Speaker 3: that same. Night he said he Saw twilight at nine
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Speaker 3: to fifteen wearing her WHITE t shirt and checkered pajama.
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Speaker 3: Bottoms this person told Police twilight told him she was
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Speaker 3: going home to, Bed But twilight's parents said she came
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Speaker 3: home after dinner with her friend and stayed. Home there's
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Speaker 3: no mention of her going out With amanda after the
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Speaker 3: dinner to The plano. Store maybe they didn't know that
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Speaker 3: she slipped, out or maybe the person at The plano
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Speaker 3: store had the timing slightly. Wrong but if that's the,
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Speaker 3: case at what point Did twilight put on her pajamas
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Speaker 3: and when did she change? Clothes and the big question
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Speaker 3: is who could have Called twilight from the phone booth that?
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Speaker 3: Night did they kill her or could someone else have
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Speaker 3: picked her up after she went? Out to meet the
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Speaker 3: person who called and intercepted her somehow or kidnapped. Her
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Speaker 3: the case file keeps circling back to one, name a
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Speaker 3: man Who twilight spent time with and who allegedly supplied
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Speaker 3: her with methamphetamine and other. Drugs his name comes up
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Speaker 3: again and again throughout the, investigation and we finally uncovered
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Speaker 3: who he actually. Was the man who kept reappearing In
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Speaker 3: twilight's case file was eighteen.
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Speaker 1: Year Old Shae Shane.
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Speaker 3: Pesterfield several people told police That shae And twilight did
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Speaker 3: meth and that some of them got meth From, shaye
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Speaker 3: and That twilight used meth and other. Drugs twilight's, friend
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Speaker 3: who we talked to last, week said that she Knew shaye,
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Speaker 3: too that he was known for having kind of a
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Speaker 3: party house back in the, day and she admitted that
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Speaker 3: back then.
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Speaker 1: She also did drugs with.
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Speaker 3: Him and she said That shae had a habit of
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Speaker 3: calling people from The plano store to ask, people including
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Speaker 3: her And, twilight if they wanted to hang.
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Speaker 4: OUT i remember he called me one time from The
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Speaker 4: plano store pace on and asked me IF i wanted
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Speaker 4: to come out and hang, out AND i was like,
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Speaker 4: no BECAUSE i, mean, like my parents were strict and,
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Speaker 4: stuff and SO i didn't meet up with him or.
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Speaker 4: Anything but he used to use that pay phone all the.
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Speaker 3: Time but the fact That shae did drugs With, twilight of,
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Speaker 3: course does not mean he was involved in doing her any.
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Speaker 3: Harm in, Fact twilight's friends specifically said That shay had
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Speaker 3: always been polite to her and that she had never
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Speaker 3: known him to be. Violent there were three people mentioned
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Speaker 3: a lot in the case. File the guy who allegedly
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Speaker 3: Supplied twilight with, drugs who we now know Is, shae
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Speaker 3: another guy an ex Boyfriend twilight argued with at The plano,
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Speaker 3: store and someone connected to a white. Truck police talked
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Speaker 3: to people who lived near the land Where twilight was.
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Speaker 3: Found the land was owned by a woman Named Evelyn,
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Speaker 3: thurmott and more than one person around that area who
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Speaker 3: police talked to said that they had seen a mysterious white.
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Speaker 3: Truck one of them was another friend Of twilight's Named.
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Speaker 3: Matt matt was also friends With. Shae matt lived near
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Speaker 3: the area Where twilight's body was, found and when police interviewed,
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Speaker 3: him he told them about a White chevy four by four,
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Speaker 3: truck possibly AS z seventy One he said he saw
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Speaker 3: that vehicle driving slowly Down Old Matlock road On august twenty,
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Speaker 3: ninth the day After twilight, vanished which he said he found.
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Speaker 3: Odd matt told police this is one of those areas
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Speaker 3: where everyone knows everyone's, vehicles so an unknown vehicle definitely sticks.
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Speaker 3: Out matt said he didn't recognize that, truck and he
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Speaker 3: found it suspicious that it was there because this was
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Speaker 3: a road not usually traveled unless you were a local.
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Speaker 3: Resident according to the police, report there was a drivable
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Speaker 3: path to the dried up pond Where twilight's body was,
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Speaker 3: found but reading through the scene, description it seems as
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Speaker 3: though that path would be something that only a local
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Speaker 3: or someone with familiarity with the area would. Know according
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Speaker 3: to the police, report the detective Interviewing matt asked him
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Speaker 3: if he had to pick one person in the world
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Speaker 3: who he thought would have done something like, This matt,
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Speaker 3: said without hesitation a. Name now that name is, redacted
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Speaker 3: but from comments earlier In matt's, interview it appears that
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Speaker 3: he was talking About. Shae matt said that when he
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Speaker 3: brought up the subject Of twilight's death in general conversation
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Speaker 3: that this person who he suspected of being, involved got
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Speaker 3: quote uncomfortable and tried to change the subject end. Quote
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Speaker 3: police spoke to a woman Named Sylvia. Harris she also
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Speaker 3: lived near the area Where twilight's remains were. Found she
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Speaker 3: said that she had seen a full sized white truck
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Speaker 3: driving down the road around the time When twilight's body was,
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Speaker 3: dumped and That shae was in the passenger. Seat she
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Speaker 3: said that she stopped and asked him what he was doing.
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Speaker 3: There he told her just looking at the, countryside which
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Speaker 3: she said she thought was. Strange but there's no evidence
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Speaker 3: That shae owned a white. Truck even if he, did
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Speaker 3: hanging out at that scene isn't, proof And shay was
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Speaker 3: not the only guy Whom twilight had been hanging out.
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Speaker 3: With last week we mentioned the police report talked about someone,
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Speaker 3: else described as a local boy who hung out or
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Speaker 3: lived near the area Where twilight's body was, found and
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Speaker 3: this guy supposedly left town quickly After twilight's body was
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Speaker 3: found and didn't come.
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Speaker 1: Back police did talk to. Him his name Is.
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Speaker 3: William william told police he did leave to join the.
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Speaker 3: Military he said he enlisted in the military In, louisville
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Speaker 3: but ended up coming back to the. Area william said
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Speaker 3: he had no information about what happened To, twilight but
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Speaker 3: he said he believed Maybe twilight had overdosed and was dumped.
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Speaker 3: Somewhere william Said twilight was a good, person had no,
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Speaker 3: enemies and said that he had no idea who would
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Speaker 3: want to hurt. Her there was no follow up interview
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Speaker 3: in the information we, have so we have no idea
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Speaker 3: if police ever confirmed the information they got from some
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Speaker 3: of these interviews or were able to rule things. Out
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Speaker 3: let's go back to the Jersey twilight was found. Wearing
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Speaker 3: it was a baseball jersey From Edmonton High. School police
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Speaker 3: noted in their report that they had contacted the owner
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Speaker 3: of the jersey and that he told them that at
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Speaker 3: some point Before twilight's, murder he gave the jacket To.
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Speaker 3: GOODWILL i wondered if it would be possible to get
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Speaker 3: some documentation of that, transaction like a, receipt but apparently
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Speaker 3: this person told police they dropped the jacket in A
18:10
Speaker 3: goodwill collection. BOX i have no idea if police followed
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Speaker 3: up on, that or if there was a way to
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Speaker 3: follow up on. That it seemed like just another frustrating
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Speaker 3: lead that seemingly led. Nowhere there was something else THAT
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Speaker 3: i noticed buried in the police.
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Speaker 1: Report we've heard a.
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Speaker 3: Lot about that phone call just before eleven, pm the
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Speaker 3: one that was made from The Plano Country store at Phone,
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Speaker 3: booth but it turns out there was another phone call
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Speaker 3: made From twilight's home at ten sixteen. Pm police noted
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Speaker 3: in their report they knew who the person, was but
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Speaker 3: that they had not made contact with. Them could this
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Speaker 3: have been the Person twilight had plans to meet that.
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Speaker 3: Night it's, possible but the unsettling part is we simply don't.
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Speaker 3: Know the report offers no hint that investigators ever followed,
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Speaker 3: up no confirmation that they made, contact no record of,
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Speaker 3: what if, anything that person had to, say and that
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Speaker 3: silence leaves us with more questions hanging in the. Air
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Speaker 3: twilight may have been loved by, everyone but some students
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Speaker 3: At Greenwood High school didn't like. Her police talked to
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Speaker 3: a young woman who Described twilight as. Headstrong she said
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Speaker 3: she was someone who had to have her. Way this
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Speaker 3: girl said That twilight had a list of thirteen guys
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Speaker 3: who she had sex, with and that she had hung
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Speaker 3: out with someone in a Red. Corvette twilight's, friend who
19:52
Speaker 3: we talked to last, week Said twilight told her there
19:55
Speaker 3: was a specific girl who didn't like, her a person Named, amy,
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Speaker 3: because according to the, Friend twilight told, Her amy didn't
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Speaker 3: like her because she'd had a sexual encounter with a
20:06
Speaker 3: guy Who amy was dating and another. Guy could this
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Speaker 3: have been some kind of a revenge? Scenario did someone
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Speaker 3: Lure twilight out that? Night because rope and duct tape
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Speaker 3: and a mention of a knife used are not consistent
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Speaker 3: with an accidental, Overdose this student made it seem like
20:24
Speaker 3: there may be young women at school who were jealous Of,
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Speaker 3: twilight which got me, thinking Could twilight's killer have been?
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Speaker 3: Female there were some things found at the crime scene
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Speaker 3: that haven't been fully. Explained there was a can of.
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Speaker 3: Valveleine valvelin is a type of oil, treatment but the
20:41
Speaker 3: liquid inside the valveleene can did not match traces of
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Speaker 3: liquid pulled off plant material Near twilight's. Body in addition to,
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Speaker 3: that there were also potentially a few things missing from
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Speaker 3: the crime. Scene police found jewelry On, twilight rings which
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Speaker 3: her family did not, recognize and earrings they said they did,
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Speaker 3: recognize But twilight wasn't wearing her, bracelets which her friend
21:04
Speaker 3: said she always, wore and there were no shoes in
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Speaker 3: the crime scene. Photos, later police took her Friend amanda
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Speaker 3: Into twilight's. Closet amanda said the Shoes twilight always wore
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Speaker 3: were not. There it would seem to make sense for
21:19
Speaker 3: her to go outdoors in pajamas and, Barefoot but if
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Speaker 3: she took the time to get completely, dressed why would
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Speaker 3: she not put on? Shoes and if she did put on,
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Speaker 3: shoes where are? They in two thousand and, one police
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Speaker 3: SENT dna evidence from the crime scene in for testing
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Speaker 3: with The Kentucky State Police Crime. Lab these included hair
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Speaker 3: samples taken From twilight's.
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Speaker 1: Body they also.
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Speaker 3: Found hair samples in nearby plants and on twilight shirt and.
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Speaker 1: Jeans some of the.
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Speaker 3: Hairs found were a match for, her but there were
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Speaker 3: also some, hairs including pubic, hair on the plant material
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Speaker 3: and shirt and jeans that were not a match for.
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Speaker 1: Her could those hairs have.
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Speaker 3: Belonged to her? Killer between two thousand and three and
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Speaker 3: two thousand and, seven testing was. Done the results of
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Speaker 3: those tests were sent back To Warren. County in order
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Speaker 3: to id those foreign, hairs the ones that were not
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Speaker 3: a match To, Twilight THE Ksp Crime lab said they
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Speaker 3: would need a much larger sample around thirty hairs for.
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Speaker 3: Comparison we found the statement of the person who said
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Speaker 3: they Saw twilight outside The plano store On saturday night
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Speaker 3: arguing with an ex. Boyfriend they said they were driving
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Speaker 3: past the stoor when they heard yelling and looked and
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Speaker 3: Saw twilight talking to the guy next to his. Truck
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Speaker 3: this person said. Quote Then twilight threw her hands up
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Speaker 3: and turned the opposite direction and started to walk, away
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Speaker 3: and that guy grabbed her shoulders and pulled her back,
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Speaker 3: around and they continued to. ARGUE i went home Because
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Speaker 3: twilight doesn't hold grudges long end. Quote police mentioned they
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Speaker 3: went to this, guy the one who was seen arguing
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Speaker 3: With twilight outside the, store to ask him for a hair,
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Speaker 3: sample but he declined and referred investigators to his. Lawyer
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Speaker 3: but could they test again in twenty twenty six and
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Speaker 3: would it make any? Difference hair testing has come a
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Speaker 3: long way since two thousand and.
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Speaker 1: One the hair.
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Speaker 3: Evidence collected in this case in two thousand and one
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Speaker 3: would have been examined using microscopic, comparison not NUCLEAR dna
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Speaker 3: testing that is the standard use. Today it's possible that
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Speaker 3: retesting could make a, difference but without access to the
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Speaker 3: entirety of the physical. Evidence we're back to where we
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Speaker 3: started filtering through local. RUMORS a lot of the rumors
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Speaker 3: seemed to mix things, together That twilight was doing or dealing,
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Speaker 3: drugs dating old her, men, rape the rave, party but
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Speaker 3: all of these are completely separate. Things there's no evidence
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Speaker 3: that The rave party had anything to do With twilight's.
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Speaker 3: Killing there's no evidence that she was anything other than
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Speaker 3: a recreational drug, user and police have clearly said that
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Speaker 3: her murder was a, homicide so not an accidental. Overdose
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Speaker 3: there are photographs of yellow rope and the crime scene,
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Speaker 3: photos though they aren't connected to, anything so it's hard
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Speaker 3: to tell if the rumors About twilight's hands and feet
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Speaker 3: being bound or true or. Not in twenty twenty, One
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Speaker 3: twilight's case was in the news again when it was
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Speaker 3: reported that police had gotten another search warrant related To twilight's,
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Speaker 3: murder this time from a local. Property police got the
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Speaker 3: address from a. Tip that's pretty much all they said
24:30
Speaker 3: about the, Search but this tip happened because of local
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Speaker 3: news stories about the case and The Warren County. Sheriff
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Speaker 3: Sheriff High tower has been cooperative with the media and
24:41
Speaker 3: has given them information over the. Years sheriff High toower
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Speaker 3: Told The independent that this warrant was executed in conjunction
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Speaker 3: with THE, fbi and, said, quote because of the size
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Speaker 3: of this property and the expertise of some of their
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Speaker 3: potential analysis using luminol and other resources they had, available
24:59
Speaker 3: we wanted to have them collect all the evidence end.
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Speaker 3: Quote this is pretty, vague but luminol does suggest they
25:06
Speaker 3: were looking for. Blood for those who aren't familiar with,
25:09
Speaker 3: It luminol uses a chemical that interacts with the hemoglobin
25:12
Speaker 3: in the, blood and when a special light is shined on,
25:16
Speaker 3: it it creates a blue tint indicating where blood is. Present,
25:21
Speaker 3: so according to the story And The, independent THE fbi
25:24
Speaker 3: collected the, evidence gave it to The Warren County sheriff's,
25:27
Speaker 3: office and sent it to the state. Laboratory as of
25:31
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, Three sheriff High tower said they were still
25:34
Speaker 3: waiting for. Results at the, time the sheriff said they
25:37
Speaker 3: hoped they would get them in the next few, months
25:39
Speaker 3: but since then no one has said what the results
25:42
Speaker 3: of that testing. Were we've talked to a source who
25:47
Speaker 3: says that it was his uncle's property that was searched
25:50
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. One he claims that another guy who
25:53
Speaker 3: Knew twilight tipped the police off about his. Uncle he,
25:57
Speaker 3: said framing his. Uncle but he claims that his, uncle
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Speaker 3: who is now, deceased had nothing to do With twilight's.
26:03
Speaker 3: Death so, what if, anything did they find at that.
26:07
Speaker 3: Residence The sheriff's department has not.
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Speaker 1: Said one way or the.
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Speaker 3: Other but we did reach out To Sheriff High tower
26:13
Speaker 3: and he has agreed to an. Interview so we're going
26:16
Speaker 3: to be talking to, him hopefully in the next couple of,
26:18
Speaker 3: weeks and we will keep you. Posted after twenty five,
26:23
Speaker 3: years people with crucial information often start. Dying one of
26:28
Speaker 3: those people that we really wanted to find Was shay
26:31
Speaker 3: because he hung out With twilight and might have had
26:34
Speaker 3: an idea of what was going on with her at
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Speaker 3: The plano store and about that social scene in. General
26:39
Speaker 3: but we can't Because shay died On january, twentieth the
26:42
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. One he was thirty nine years. Old, however
26:48
Speaker 3: reading through this, report it seems as though there are
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Speaker 3: a lot of people who could be contacted today and
26:54
Speaker 3: physical evidence that could potentially be. Retested who was the
26:59
Speaker 3: man in the white truck and is he connected in
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Speaker 3: any way To twilight or is that just a? Coincidence
27:06
Speaker 3: what happened after police brayed luminol and executed the search
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Speaker 3: warrant in twenty twenty one and who Gave twilight That?
27:13
Speaker 3: Jersey twenty five years has gone by And twilight's family
27:17
Speaker 3: is still hoping for. Answers they set up a memorial to.
27:22
Speaker 3: Her near, it there is a stone with writing on.
27:25
Speaker 3: It it, reads, quote if tears could build a stairway
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Speaker 3: and memories were, LAIN i would walk right up to
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Speaker 3: heaven and bring you home.
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Speaker 1: Again end.
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Speaker 3: QUOTE i am hoping that some of these new details
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Speaker 3: from the case file will reach the right person and
27:42
Speaker 3: that someone will call in with potentially crucial. Information we
27:46
Speaker 3: are going to keep following this. Case this is still
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Speaker 3: an open. Investigation Warren county has asked that anyone who
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Speaker 3: has any information about the murder Of Jesse Marie Twilight
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