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Creepy People Chronicles: Unfriended & Uninvited · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  I love watching people's reaction to this.
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  So it's a video, it's me, I'm in white, my friend is in black, and we are sitting on a
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  bed, we have asked our neighbor to come in and take a photo of us.
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  It's up in the attic, which they have converted into guest rooms up there.
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  Alright, so that's the whole video, 15 seconds.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  What?
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  Yeah.
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  She has no face, she has no feet.
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  She looks like she's either laughing or screaming, but she doesn't make any noise.
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  That is so creepy.
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  I can't stop watching it.
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  Hi, Caitlyn.
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  Hi, Cassie.
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  Hi, creepy people.
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  Hello.
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  If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and homicides, not
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  "Honks" and homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things creepy
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  and/or goosey in the Pacific Northwest.
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  I was going to say, are you sure it's not Honks?
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  We've been called “Humps."
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  Why not Honks?
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  You know, the transcript translator, AI person machine, seems to think that we're
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  Honks.
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  So we're thinking about changing it and just going strictly goose related stories from now on.
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  Listen, you guys, I think you know how I feel about those feathered fucks.
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  And I think that there is a breadth of content that we haven't even begun to access.
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  You want to talk about true crime?
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  Look at those, goosey.
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  Goosey motherfuckers.
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  First of all, those feathered fucks.
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  I knew you would like that.
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  But when you're saying those goosey, I thought you were going to say those goosey lips.
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  Goosey lips.
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  Goosey lips.
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  Goose have lips.
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  Why do we wonder why things have lips?
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  Last time it was what does SpongeBob have lips?
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  Now let's do goose have lips.
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  We're obsessed with chapstick.
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  Like what is happening with the lips over here?
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  I don't, you know, I think it's best if we move on.
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  Well, we also do a terror reading at the end of the episode for deeper insight into the
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  topic that we talk about for the day.
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  So make sure you stick around.
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  If you like that kind of shit.
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  Yeah.
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  And we might talk more about gooses and gussies.
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  Guses?
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  Guses?
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  We don't know.
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  Thanks for listening and supporting the show.
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  Thanks for listening and supporting the show.
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  Well this week is a creepy people chronicles which means we read the stories that you sent
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  us.
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  I do so love this.
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  And then we do a terror reading about it.
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  We already kind of said that but we do it for each story.
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  So if you send us a story, you will get your very own terror read if we read it on air, live
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  on air on the air live from New York live from New York.
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  It is Saturday night.
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  It's literally Saturday night.
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  It is Saturday night.
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  I made that work with my magic.
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  I'm just saying maybe at some point if you guys really keep us rolling, keep us growing,
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  maybe we'll do live from Saturday night.
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  Oh I was like, do you think we're going to be hosting SNL?
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  That would be so cool.
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  We could perform.
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  We can do the musical performance.
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  Okay, I just feel like Tina Fey would want to be my friend.
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  She's not even on SNL anymore.
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  I know but I feel like she would come back so that she could meet me.
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  Well Amy Poehler would want to be my friend.
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  Are we best friends?
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  Amy Poehler is my friend.
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  You can't have them all.
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  You can also hang out with her.
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  Okay.
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  Okay, I'll take Pete.
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  Should we move on?
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  Yeah.
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  I have something actually really cool that I wanted to do today because I just went to
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  Fallout Boy.
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  Yeah, you did.
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  I'm showing Patreon my boobies right now with my Fallout Boy shirt.
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  I went with some of my very best friends in the entire world and I guess I'm going to include
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  one of my very best friends, her husband in this equation.
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  Okay, I guess you're one of my very best friends too now because they got VIP tickets.
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  And they got a special swag bag.
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  Stop it.
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  And my friend's husband was like, I like Fallout Boy but like, I don't need a swag bag and
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  he gave it to me.
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  And I started crying.
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  I was like, no, fuck you.
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  There was so much shit in the swag bag.
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  One of them.
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  You have it there.
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  I assume.
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  I have one of the items.
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  It is a magic 8 ball.
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  With Fallout Boy fucking lyrics inside.
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  I'm dying.
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  I'm dying.
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  So right now I want you all in your head to ask a question.
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  I'm so upset.
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  Keep your question secret though.
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  It's only in your head and then I'm going to reveal one answer and read it and that's your
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  answer for all of your guys in your head questions.
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  Did that make any sense?
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  I think so.
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  That's how I talk when I'm like too excited to think.
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  I mean, I get that.
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  Okay, think of your question.
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  Okay.
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  It says, sugar, we're going down.
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  I mean, that kind of sounds like it might be like a negative thing but I don't think it
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  is because I think it's so.
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  We're going down to Pound Town or something, you know.
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  Oh, that would make sense.
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  Okay.
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  That makes sense.
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  Or you know, like given head going down.
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  Yeah, I think that's a good one.
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  Is that what that means?
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  Thank you for explaining that.
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  So we got an email. (pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com)
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  Neither one of us have read it.
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  So we're just going to cold read it right here right now for you.
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  creepy people.
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  And you were nervous about cold reading.
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  I know.
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  Because we do it all the time, but like I edit out every single mistake I make so that
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  you guys think I'm perfect.
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  And only the Patreon knows that I can't read.
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  Can I start email starts?
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  Happy Sunday, ladies.
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  Happy Sunday slash Saturday to you.
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  I think about some of the creepy things that have happened in your homes.
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  And I thought I would share mine with you.
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  We're talking about mostly Caitlyn's home.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I've lived in my home since 2017 and I'm the second owner.
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  The woman that lived here put a mobile on the property in 1978 and was here until she needed
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  ongoing medical care.
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  My home has always felt very welcoming.
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  No issues besides occasional critters since it is in the woods.
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  Oh boy.
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  What kind of critters?
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  I have a lot of questions and opossums and birds.
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  I don't know.
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  Bats?
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  Listen, you know how I feel about the winged "B word".
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  The winged "B word".
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  Okay.
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  I have a friend that I got close to and let stay here when she needed.
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  She told me my living room creeped her out at night.
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  I have curtains on one side and the window that faces the woods doesn't.
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  Oh, I mean, because like who's going to be standing in the woods looking in your home?
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  Why do you need curtains?
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  Okay, but you always still need curtains.
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  I need curtains.
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  I don't like it.
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  I have seen a lot and I stayed out in like a country house where like there's the neighbors
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  can't see into your house.
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  No, I don't like that.
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  But yeah, they were like we leave the blinds open all the time.
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  You can close them if you want and I was like immediately I'm closing all these blinds
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  because I'm terrified someone's creeping in the woods with a chainsaw.
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  I don't need that in my life.
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  Yeah.
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  That's just I think I don't know.
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  It's just like anxiety like what's that called intrusive thoughts we're just sitting
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  there in front of a window that's open and you're like I wonder who's waiting out
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  there to murder me.
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  I mean, I think that's probably simultaneously that's like the definition of intrusive thoughts
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  but also like probably hanging out with me.
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  I don't know.
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  I've always been like this but I just grew up watching you know the news.
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  Yeah, it's the contents.
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  It's the content.
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  It hasn't always been me in your ear.
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  It's the content.
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  If I was a man I would just leave those blinds open.
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  Basically.
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  Anyway, we're getting off topic.
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  As always, one of the windows has curtains but the one's facing the woods does not.
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  I have fallen asleep on my couch with my two dogs many of times and no issues.
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  Back to her telling me she was creeped out.
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  Okay.
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  Yes, we want to hear about why.
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  Yeah, we do.
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  We do.
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  It's cute.
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  I'm like we do shaking her head.
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  She said she felt like someone was watching her at night.
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  Girl Same.
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  I can't.
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  No, thank you.
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  We were eating dinner and instead of begging, my dogs were hyper focused on the wall with
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  my coat hooks unsubscribe where their treats in the pocket.
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  That's a good question.
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  But that's what I would think.
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  Maybe there's some leftover teardrops in the pockets.
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  They started to low growl and then the hackles came up.
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  Nope.
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  My friend and I just stared frozen.
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  Kaia, I'm assuming it's K-A-I-A.
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  Yeah.
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  And I-R-I-E.
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  Those are her dog's names.
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  Okay.
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  So Kaia and Irie slowly started to approach the wall.
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  They both yelped in a ram like something hit them.
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  But they were headed towards a wall?
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  Yeah.
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  Like they were staring at the coat right.
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  Okay.
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  I really like the wall where the coat-
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  No.
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  No, no, no.
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  No, thank you.
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  Ooh.
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  What if like the hooks were like the hook hands, like the candy man.
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  Doesn't he have a hook hand?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Were there bees on the wall?
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  I don't like that.
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  At the same time, two coats shot off the hooks.
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  I mean, literally flew up, not like they slid off the hooks.
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  Well, that's weird.
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  Yeah.
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  Explain that to me.
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  I mean, I guess I've hung a coat and like-
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  But it like immediately slides off.
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  Like it doesn't wait until two dogs are staring at it.
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  Yeah, but it doesn't propel itself.
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  It doesn't like-
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  Yeah.
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  It's not a projectile.
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  Oh.
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  Okay.
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  Ooh, something was there.
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  It's a puppy, and I'm not happy about that.
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  I don't like that.
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  This is very reminiscent of when we were having lots of spookiness here.
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  Yeah, we sure puppies.
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  I don't like it.
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  Did I say I was so frickin scared?
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  No.
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  But now I know.
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  No.
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  My dogs were shaking.
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  Then I drove her home with my dogs.
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  I immediately sage my house when I got home.
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  I'm glad you took the dogs with you and then leave them there.
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  Yeah.
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  That's my least favorite part of like any movie where something scary happens and they're
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  like, all right, well, guess we'll leave.
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  Bye dogs.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Cool.
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  Okay.
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  Fast forward two months or so.
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  I was talking on the phone with that friend.
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  We were talking about having a girl's night.
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  Again, my dogs got really agitated and the hair on the back of their neck stood up.
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  I don't like it.
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  I told her I'd call her later and got off the phone.
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  The hairs went down and my dogs settled back on the couch.
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  Hmm.
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  There seems to be a common theme here.
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  Is it her?
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  I feel like it's the friend.
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  Yeah.
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  That's the thing.
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  I mean, not like she's doing anything bad, but like something's attached to her or something.
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  That's what I was thinking immediately.
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  Yeah.
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  Not like blaming this on your friend.
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  I've ever been more thirsty.
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  Okay, there's more.
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  Like I've said, I've never felt uncomfortable here nor has anyone else.
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  Needless to say, I think either my friend has, we jumped the gun here.
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  Needless to say, I think either my friend has an attached entity.
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  Something is in my home that doesn't like her a protective question mark.
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  Oh, I don't know, but I haven't been hanging out with her over the past two years and nothing
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  has happened.
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  What do you guys think?
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  Oh.
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  Why?
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  That makes me sad.
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  And then it says, sincerely, Michelle, Kaya and Iry.
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  And if I pronounce your dog's names wrong, let me know.
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  I see what you mean now by way, jump the gun, but yeah.
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  I don't know.
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  It might not be her fault, but it does seem like maybe there's something in particular about
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  her.
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  I first thought when I was reading that was like something is attached to her that like doesn't
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  want her to have friends.
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  Oh.
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  But then like, that's interesting.
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  How is it showing up when she's just on the phone with her?
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  Well, and that's interesting too.
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  And that's the only thing that makes me think like, well, you know, one time she was actually
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  present, one time it was just over the phone.
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  So like maybe that's just a coincidence.
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  But like, I don't know.
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  That is weird though, that like the only two experiences she's ever had with anything involving
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  this house was when her friend was there and when she was talking to her.
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  I mean, she's the one coming to bed, right?
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  So for sure.
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  Yeah, I really don't know why.
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  Like I was getting the sense that like something like you've all attached to her that like just
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  like doesn't want her to have other friends.
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  But like that's just part of like your intuition.
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  Yeah, too.
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  I feel like it's making me itchy.
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  Thinking about it.
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  Do you get itchy when you like are feeling things?
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  That's like a sign.
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  I feel like I get itchy when I'm like really nervous.
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  So I feel I probably am constantly itching and not even realizing it.
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  I'm a very fidgety.
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  But I mean, you know, because you enter a podcast and you like.
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  But well, gosh, I don't know that we like really gave any answers and I don't know if we have
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  really any advice because what are you going to do?
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  Be like, hey, can I sage you friend?
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  Like I think something is attached to you.
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  I don't know that's I mean, that is a tough one because if you do think that it's attached
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  to her.
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  Yeah, how do you approach that?
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  Yeah, I will say this, the thing that I thought of immediately Cassie is like at the same time,
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  you know, if this person really is a good friend that you would hate to lose, as opposed
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  to somebody that now you just kind of are like, I just don't really hang out with her anymore.
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  Now, I think back to when I was having a ton of spooky stuff going on over here and obviously
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  not everybody wants to have that happening.
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  But feel like for you, it's more of a draw than anything.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, if this is a good friend, you know, maybe, you know, maybe it's worth exploring
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  is there another option?
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  I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
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  It's like the longest walk for the shortest glass of water possible.
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  But yeah, I think I mean, it's been two years.
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  So I don't know if you want to like reach back out, but maybe if you met in like a neutral
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  zone that wasn't your house.
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  And like if weird shit is happening there, then like, you know, it's her.
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  That's a good suggestion.
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  And I think meeting in a neutral place, just when you haven't seen somebody in that long
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  in general is probably a good idea.
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  That's true.
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  Be like, Hey, I missed you.
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  Hope maybe you can text and then maybe like nothing will happen from the text message or
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  text her when you're out of the house.
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  Maybe if you don't want to spook your dog.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  But then like part of me is also like, is that a good litmus test?
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  Like do you call her when you are home?
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  And then third time is a charm.
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  I mean, I don't know if we want to like test it back home again.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, it just really depends on what your tolerance for.
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  Yeah.
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  For that sort of riskiness and shenanigans is mine is particularly low.
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  So also maybe like if she has social media, check that out and like she have a lot of other
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  friends.
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  Yeah, what's going on?
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  Or you know, she just kind of a loner and then maybe maybe that's her.
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  attachment, that's like driving everyone away.
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  I don't know.
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  Do some more investigating, I think.
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  I do think I think that's smart.
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  Yeah.
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  Now feels like a good time to take a "winermission."
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  But don't be scared.
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  We'll be right back.
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  You guys, we're back.
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  And don't worry.
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  We did get more wine.
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  Well, of course.
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  Well, should we?
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  I feel like so I brought my moon oracle deck, but this isn't the right deck for this story.
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  I feel like you need to pull a tarot card.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah, I do think this kind of calls for a more traditional tarot read.
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  Okay.
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  Sending vibes.
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  It's our tarot-torial one.
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  It's the one that has like the sort of cheat sheet of tarot cards.
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  Okay.
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  So I'm going to do what we did the last time that we were remote.
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  So I'm going to fan these out and I need you to just give me like where your ring finger
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  is now.
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  Whatever card it's on.
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  My actual ring finger.
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  Sorry, your non ring finger.
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  Oh, okay.
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  I mean, it's a ring finger, but you're non wedding ring finger.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  So this is interesting.
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  It's the five of cups.
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  Oh, okay.
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  I know.
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  Like that's not like a great one.
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  Not great.
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  So there's five of them.
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  Yeah.
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  Because there's the Michelle and her friend, the two dogs and the entity.
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  Oh, that's interesting.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  Okay.
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  So just based on kind of the key terms and everything that are on the deck standard, the
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  key words are sadness, loss, grief, remorse, trauma, heartbreak and anger.
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  Oh, I don't like any of those.
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  Are you sure?
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  Because also this card is linked to Pisces, Scorpio and Cancer.
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  Scorpio makes sense.
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  Yeah.
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  Cancer makes sense.
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  Keep in secret.
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  Also water and Mars.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  Key words are disappointments, sadness, loss, loneliness, do.
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  And heartbreak.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
• 21:30
  Oh.
• 21:31
  One of the saddest cards in the tarot.
• 21:35
  The five of cups often shows a solitary person standing among overturned chalices, spilling
• 21:43
  their contents onto the ground.
• 21:46
  The sense of despair, hopelessness and grief is painful to see.
• 21:51
  Although five is the number of change and movement, this card suggests an inability to
• 21:57
  rise above a sadness, loss or disappointment and move on.
• 22:01
  I really think she needs to talk to her friend.
• 22:05
  Yeah.
• 22:06
  I just like feel like this card is her like everything has been pushed away.
• 22:13
  Yeah.
• 22:14
  Definitely do it in a neutral zone.
• 22:16
  Yeah.
• 22:17
  I do think that's smart.
• 22:19
  Yeah.
• 22:20
  I do think that's smart.
• 22:21
  In any case, whether there's an attachment or anything else going on, I think that's a smart
• 22:26
  thing to do.
• 22:27
  Just protect your space.
• 22:28
  Yeah.
• 22:29
  Protect your piece.
• 22:30
  I do have a theory, but we can talk about it after.
• 22:33
  Okay.
• 22:34
  A setback has left you feeling helpless and hopeless.
• 22:39
  That's quite the combo.
• 22:41
  And you can't see a way out of your pain.
• 22:44
  Most likely you've brought the loss or disappointment on yourself.
• 22:49
  So maybe it's not an actual attachment.
• 22:51
  That's literally what my thought was.
• 22:53
  Maybe she's just having so many dark emotions that there's like, you know, like a great
• 23:00
  cloud over her.
• 23:01
  Yeah.
• 23:02
  Like you can create like the energy that's like really bad energy that will like follow
• 23:08
  you around and the dogs.
• 23:11
  Like go up on it.
• 23:12
  Yeah.
• 23:13
  I think that maybe makes a lot of sense.
• 23:15
  That's like a lot of the theories around like the poltergeist activity too, where she's
• 23:19
  flying everywhere.
• 23:20
  It's like someone's dark energy.
• 23:23
  Yeah.
• 23:24
  Yeah.
• 23:25
  That makes a lot of sense.
• 23:28
  The five of cups shows you're focusing on what you lack rather than what you have or
• 23:35
  could have if you changed your attitude.
• 23:38
  Wow.
• 23:40
  I think of this as the self-pity card.
• 23:45
  In a reading about money, this card says you've endured losses, but all isn't lost.
• 23:52
  Don't keep throwing good money after bad, which is I remember the first time I heard this
• 23:58
  saying and I was like, don't.
• 24:01
  Don't keep throwing good money after bad.
• 24:03
  Yeah.
• 24:04
  It just, it makes sense.
• 24:06
  It's like don't add insult to injury by continuing in this same pattern.
• 24:13
  In my mind.
• 24:14
  Yeah.
• 24:15
  The five also encourages you not to give up hope.
• 24:20
  In some cases, it warns against a financial matter you're considering.
• 24:26
  If the reading is about your work, you feel unvalued, unfulfilled, and unhappy in your current
• 24:33
  position.
• 24:34
  And a job you'll enjoy more.
• 24:39
  In a reading about love, the upright five can signify the end of a relationship.
• 24:46
  You feel hurt, disappointed, perhaps resentful.
• 24:51
  This split may open new possibilities for you.
• 24:56
  So I don't know which way to take this because part of me says, does that refer to this friend
• 25:02
  relationship that, you know, oh, that is what's splitting up or does this refer to her friend
• 25:11
  as sort of being in this place of recovering from a relationship that is ended.
• 25:17
  I don't know.
• 25:19
  Yeah.
• 25:20
  So just because we both, I think, yeah.
• 25:25
  I have an extra excerpt.
• 25:27
  Okay.
• 25:28
  There may be opportunities.
• 25:30
  The writer, Wade Smith and many other decks show three cups overturned and two upright.
• 25:38
  This suggests all is not lost to the person for whom the reading is being done.
• 25:44
  Opportunities exist, but the quarent may be so enmeshed in sadness and self-pity that
• 25:50
  she or he can't or won't see the possibilities that would lead to a happier place.
• 26:00
  I just really feel, I mean, like I know we pull the card for the story and technically the
• 26:05
  person that sent the email, but I just feel like this card is your friend.
• 26:10
  Like I don't know what's going on in her life or anything.
• 26:13
  It's just, it's just what I'm getting.
• 26:17
  So if I'm wrong, I apologize.
• 26:20
  Well, and I mean, though we might be drawing the card for that person, it may extend to their
• 26:30
  experience outside of just themselves.
• 26:35
  And if this is someone that was, you know, perhaps close friend of hers, I feel like it's
• 26:40
  reasonable to think that when she's asking specifically about this person and about, you
• 26:47
  know, she shared these stories with us and then we pulled the card with that being sort
• 26:52
  of the basis, it makes sense to me that, you know, maybe it would be picking up on that
• 27:00
  other person's energy.
• 27:02
  Yeah.
• 27:03
  It's very strong, obviously, if it's going through phones and shit.
• 27:07
  Yeah.
• 27:08
  Assuming it's not something at your house, which I don't think it is.
• 27:12
  Yeah.
• 27:13
  I mean, it doesn't sound like it, but, you know, certainly not an expert.
• 27:17
  I definitely think like, yeah, take it slow, maybe reaching out to her, you know, not inside
• 27:25
  your home and then like, don't expect things to be like super good with you guys right away.
• 27:31
  Like she might still be feeling down and, you know, whatever, but maybe she just needs
• 27:37
  like a little bit of someone to hang out with every now and then and that like slowly
• 27:41
  will start to make her feel better and like change her mindset, but like don't force
• 27:46
  it.
• 27:47
  Just do that person.
• 27:48
  That's like, ugh, why do you, why are you sort of pressed?
• 27:52
  Well, do you have anything else to say about that or should we move on?
• 27:58
  Yeah.
• 27:59
  I think we covered that.
• 28:01
  Okay.
• 28:02
  I think we nailed it.
• 28:03
  Well now we have to get kind of emotional on you guys.
• 28:09
  Yeah.
• 28:10
  Sorry.
• 28:13
  We actually just recently learned some news that I think took both of us a little bit
• 28:22
  by surprise.
• 28:24
  A friend of ours from the podcasting community recently passed away.
• 28:33
  Kate Wallinga and some of you may know her, some of you may not.
• 28:40
  She actually guest start on an episode of our show and just a lovely, amazing collaborative
• 28:51
  human who was so supportive of, you know, different types of creators and of the indie
• 28:59
  podcasting community in general.
• 29:03
  If you want to go back and listen to the episode that she did with us, it was Loni Kai's
• 29:09
  episode.
• 29:10
  I don't remember the episode number off the top of my head.
• 29:14
  99.
• 29:15
  It's 99.
• 29:16
  Okay.
• 29:17
  99.
• 29:18
  And then she was also in another creepy people chronicles where she told a story about the
• 29:22
  ghost Charlotte in her house.
• 29:24
  Oh my gosh.
• 29:25
  Wow.
• 29:26
  Yeah.
• 29:27
  And that was episode 105.
• 29:29
  So we'll tag those in the show notes.
• 29:34
  You know, we didn't know Kate for very long.
• 29:38
  And truthfully, the handful of hours that, you know, we spent with her, you know, it's such
• 29:45
  a small fraction of any, any one person in the group of their life.
• 29:54
  But she's someone that even just a short time later looking back and reflecting on the time
• 30:04
  that we did spend with her, you know, she was very impactful.
• 30:09
  And it feels kind of appropriate that, you know, we never got around to doing another full
• 30:23
  episode with Kate.
• 30:26
  But she was the absolute spookyest bitch.
• 30:32
  She was so cool.
• 30:35
  We do have a story that we had talked about expanding on with Kate and, you know, doing
• 30:42
  a full episode about the Lizzie Borden House.
• 30:48
  And so we're going to share that story this week as part of the creepy people Chronicles.
• 31:00
  So we really hope that you guys enjoy it.
• 31:04
  Yeah.
• 31:05
  So, yeah, the story, despite us crying, it was like really fun to listen to.
• 31:12
  It was such a funny story.
• 31:14
  It was a really good story.
• 31:16
  It was spooky.
• 31:17
  It was funny.
• 31:18
  She tells a great fucking story.
• 31:21
  And in this story, she shows us a video.
• 31:24
  And I don't know if we can get access to the video now.
• 31:28
  I don't.
• 31:29
  I think so.
• 31:30
  I kind of looked through the email and I'm not sure if I saw it in there.
• 31:33
  I don't know if one of us saved it.
• 31:36
  But we can dig around and see if we can find the video that she's talking about.
• 31:40
  But we do have the Zoom video of when we talked to her.
• 31:43
  So we have our reactions to the video.
• 31:47
  And yeah, so we will definitely be posting that to Patreon.
• 31:52
  But yeah, she was just so easy to talk to.
• 31:57
  I remember when we started talking to her, we just started talking about stuff.
• 32:02
  And she's like, hold on, we need to record.
• 32:04
  Don't stop.
• 32:05
  Yeah, talk about anything else.
• 32:06
  We need to.
• 32:07
  Yeah.
• 32:08
  She was just immediately so easy to talk to.
• 32:11
  And you just tell she loved talking to people and hearing what people have to say and having
• 32:18
  conversations.
• 32:19
  And she's like about anything.
• 32:22
  Yeah.
• 32:23
  Yeah.
• 32:24
  So Kate was just such an incredibly positive and warm, just a very friendly and genuine person.
• 32:37
  Just by like, she just, she really had some health struggles.
• 32:43
  And looking back, I just don't think that anybody that was at, you know, I feel like of a better
• 32:52
  term.
• 32:53
  I mean, I say arms length distance.
• 32:55
  Like we were, I don't think that we understood that that meant that, you know, Kate might not
• 33:04
  be with us at this point.
• 33:08
  Yeah.
• 33:09
  My heart just like, I hate when people say my heart goes out to you, but like her kids and
• 33:14
  her husband and anyone who's close to her, I just like, I feel for you because like you
• 33:21
  said, we felt amazing.
• 33:22
  We felt her presence and her energy and her personality just in a couple of hours that
• 33:27
  we spent.
• 33:28
  It was more than a couple.
• 33:30
  Yeah.
• 33:31
  We did it.
• 33:32
  We talked a while.
• 33:33
  We had to finally just hang up.
• 33:38
  We did an episode with her too.
• 33:40
  And then she came on our show.
• 33:41
  So it was like a whole, it was a while that we spent with her.
• 33:44
  But yeah, we, well, we also want to just pull a card for her really quick from my moon or
• 33:52
  a cult act because I think that she would think that was really cool.
• 33:55
  Yeah.
• 33:56
  She was super into it when we did the tarot.
• 33:58
  Yeah.
• 33:59
  She loved tarot.
• 34:00
  Sorry for the sniffles.
• 34:02
  Meanwhile, I am not sorry.
• 34:07
  All right.
• 34:09
  Send me Kate energy.
• 34:11
  Ooh, this one like popped out.
• 34:14
  So I'm going to grab it.
• 34:17
  The card is joyous, which was like kind of one of the words you could use to describe
• 34:22
  her, which I think we basically just used.
• 34:25
  Okay.
• 34:26
  So the card for anyone who can't see right now has a witch lady on it in front of
• 34:32
  of kind of a crescent moon with a little fox buddy next to her in the grass.
• 34:37
  Okay.
• 34:38
  The quote on here, "If you carry joy in your heart, you can heal any moment."
• 34:45
  That's from Carlos Santana because he's a badass.
• 34:49
  The key words are appreciation, overflowing and choice.
• 34:56
  Being joy filled means having a grateful spirit and a genuine soul, begin by adopting an
• 35:04
  optimistic and uplifting attitude toward your life.
• 35:09
  Start every day with an upbeat and motivated vibe.
• 35:13
  Fill your heart with love for yourself and others.
• 35:17
  Joy will follow you when you allow yourself to discover how good most things really are.
• 35:23
  This is really hard to read.
• 35:27
  Living and practicing an existence of being joyful needs to come from within.
• 35:33
  Celebrate being alive.
• 35:35
  Celebrate being alive, y'all.
• 35:38
  Celebrate being alive and having the freedom to make your own choices.
• 35:43
  Follow the path leading upward and see the candy jar as half full rather than half empty.
• 35:51
  The candy jar.
• 35:53
  The thoughts and actions will attract higher vibrations surrounding you, granting you pure
• 35:59
  joy.
• 36:02
  In the intention, choose to spread your joy courageously.
• 36:08
  You will keep your spirit healthy.
• 36:11
  Your joy will make others happy.
• 36:16
  Kates joy made us happy for sure.
• 36:18
  I'm sure a lot of other people.
• 36:21
  It's interesting because at the end of this recording that we're going to share with you,
• 36:25
  we're talking about when to set up our next meeting and talking about how flexible we're
• 36:31
  so glad you're so flexible.
• 36:33
  She's talking about how podcasting shouldn't be stressful.
• 36:38
  It should be fun.
• 36:41
  You just have to have fun with it.
• 36:45
  Damn, that was harder than I thought it was going to be.
• 36:48
  What a perfect heart.
• 36:50
  I feel like she pulled it right out of my duck.
• 36:58
  Shit.
• 37:00
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• 37:16
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• 38:43
  Just a very brief aside.
• 38:44
  I'm curious, where do you land on Lizzie Borden?
• 38:49
  Oh, she absolutely did it.
• 38:51
  I mean, I think so.
• 38:52
  There's a lot of people that say like, "Oh, there's no way."
• 38:56
  Having spent time in the house is what tells me she could have done it.
• 39:02
  And this is a really important thing about a lot of crime scene investigation is that you
• 39:07
  can do all of the reading about the crime that you want, but you really have to go there
• 39:11
  and see it.
• 39:12
  So that's another room where the upstairs is this weird maze of bedrooms.
• 39:17
  So you have to know where people are and when you go from Lizzie's room down, the only
• 39:26
  stairs you can get to from Lizzie's room, you pass the guest room where Abby Borden was
• 39:33
  murdered.
• 39:34
  I'm going to this whole thing, just have me back on.
• 39:36
  The more I do, she could not not have seen.
• 39:41
  And they make a big deal out of there wasn't like, "You have to stop me.
• 39:44
  I cannot stop."
• 39:45
  It's okay, it could be a deal out of she wasn't enough of a mess, but like, I've seen that
• 39:50
  house.
• 39:51
  It would be easy to have done what she did without getting...
• 39:55
  Yeah.
• 39:56
  That's what it sounds like to me.
• 39:58
  I mean, not having been there, I can only say so much, but I always felt pretty strongly
• 40:03
  about it.
• 40:04
  And here's the thing, is that a house could be haunted whether or not she did or didn't
• 40:09
  do it, right?
• 40:10
  That is very true.
• 40:11
  I mean, I'm talking with it.
• 40:15
  I will save the haunting stories.
• 40:17
  But I have to.
• 40:18
  I have to.
• 40:19
  From Lizzie's room.
• 40:20
  Oh, yeah.
• 40:21
  Great.
• 40:22
  I will take a look at Calendly and I'll see if we can find a spot where we can do like
• 40:27
  kind of a longer session.
• 40:29
  We will try not to like make everyone like two hours per, but I can find a little bit
• 40:37
  longer window where we can record.
• 40:40
  I love to...
• 40:41
  I mean, I'm almost driven to speechlessness because the Lizzie Borden thing is just...
• 40:48
  It's murdering.
• 40:49
  But it can go.
• 40:51
  I mean, it is.
• 40:54
  Yeah, it is.
• 40:55
  I mean, do you want to see the video now?
• 40:58
  You can send it to me and I will watch it.
• 41:01
  It's...
• 41:02
  Well, I have to watch your...
• 41:06
  I love watching people's reaction to this because it is the best...
• 41:09
  It is just...
• 41:10
  Like I...
• 41:11
  Speechless still.
• 41:12
  Hang on.
• 41:13
  I'm looking for a link.
• 41:14
  It's like frozen her.
• 41:15
  I think she went to the screen.
• 41:16
  Oh my god.
• 41:17
  That is so fucking spooky.
• 41:18
  Oh, that...
• 41:19
  Yeah, closed zoom out.
• 41:20
  No, zoom out when I opened Chrome.
• 41:21
  I was like, is she okay?
• 41:22
  I am bored and doesn't want us to see the video.
• 41:32
  Right.
• 41:33
  Oh my god.
• 41:34
  Oh, Cassie, should I hit stop on recorder?
• 41:38
  Do you want me to stop on record?
• 41:39
  Yeah, I'm going to hit stop on record.
• 41:40
  Do you want me to live react to this?
• 41:41
  We can keep it going just in case.
• 41:43
  Yeah, keep it.
• 41:44
  Go for it.
• 41:45
  Go for it.
• 41:46
  I love this so much.
• 41:47
  It's not scary is it?
• 41:48
  Is it scary?
• 41:49
  No.
• 41:50
  Okay.
• 41:51
  No, it's...
• 41:52
  You tell...
• 41:53
  You say, “when and I'll hit play."
• 41:57
  You can say.
• 41:58
  So, it's a video.
• 41:59
  It's me.
• 42:00
  I'm in white.
• 42:01
  My friend is in black.
• 42:02
  And we are sitting on a bed.
• 42:03
  We have asked our neighbor to come in and take a photo of us.
• 42:09
  Okay.
• 42:10
  We're on like a girl's weekend.
• 42:11
  This is 2017.
• 42:12
  This is my second visit.
• 42:13
  Okay.
• 42:14
  And it's up in the attic, which they have converted into guest rooms up there.
• 42:20
  And so my friend and I are there and we've asked the neighbor, I handed her my phone.
• 42:27
  Okay.
• 42:28
  So, take this video.
• 42:29
  So, actually, I'd take this photo.
• 42:32
  I didn't even know I could hit it.
• 42:33
  So, just go ahead and hit play.
• 42:34
  Go.
• 42:35
  Three, two, one.
• 42:37
  All right.
• 42:38
  So, that's the whole video.
• 42:40
  15 seconds.
• 42:41
  Okay.
• 42:42
  Where's the scary part?
• 42:44
  Did you see the woman in black?
• 42:46
  Yes.
• 42:47
  She wasn't in the room.
• 42:49
  Yeah.
• 42:50
  What?
• 42:51
  Yeah.
• 42:52
  She wasn't.
• 42:53
  What?
• 42:54
  There were three people in the room only.
• 42:56
  It was my friend and I.
• 42:57
  We were seated in the bed.
• 42:58
  What?
• 42:59
  And there was the woman holding my phone, taking our picture.
• 43:02
  The woman in black was not there.
• 43:04
  And if you look at it now, you can't see it.
• 43:06
  She has no face.
• 43:07
  She has no face.
• 43:08
  She has no feet.
• 43:11
  She brushes up against me at one point and I don't react.
• 43:16
  Which let me remind you, I jump scare super easily.
• 43:20
  She really looks like she's there.
• 43:23
  She looks like she's either laughing or screaming, but she doesn't make any noise.
• 43:29
  Her head disappears into the ceiling at one point when she walks through.
• 43:34
  Oh my god, it totally.
• 43:35
  Yep.
• 43:36
  Uh.
• 43:37
  Uh.
• 43:38
  That is so creepy.
• 43:39
  I can't stop watching it.
• 43:43
  I have watched that 5,000 times at least.
• 43:47
  So here what happens is this is in the early days of selfies even for me.
• 43:54
  I had not taken very many selfies before this point.
• 43:58
  And so I, and I was a photographer in college and so I used to take pictures elsewhere.
• 44:02
  And so I took a handful of selfies when we were there and I'm used to taking a ton of photos
• 44:07
  and then I get home and I dump most of them.
• 44:10
  And so with this one, I'm dumping things and I'm keeping things and whatever.
• 44:15
  And I get to this and I'm like, I didn't even know my phone took video.
• 44:21
  And if you watch it, it's weird because the first couple of seconds are a little
• 44:27
  jarring, like they're like a different speed and then suddenly the sound comes in and
• 44:34
  they make it, she makes a joke about your head spinning around or whatever.
• 44:39
  And they're like that room is so small.
• 44:44
  We would have noticed a fourth person in the room and two women traveling alone.
• 44:50
  You know who's in your room.
• 44:52
  Yeah.
• 44:53
  And so I see this video and the first thing I do is call my friend and I'm like, what the
• 44:58
  fuck is that?
• 44:59
  Like, who is that?
• 45:01
  How is my phone taking video?
• 45:03
  I didn't know it could take video.
• 45:05
  Who the hell is that?
• 45:06
  Do you recognize that?
• 45:07
  Was that woman in the room?
• 45:08
  And she's like, absolutely not.
• 45:09
  I don't recognize her at all.
• 45:11
  And like, wait, neither of us was drunk.
• 45:14
  Neither of us was drunk.
• 45:15
  Neither of us was not drinking involved.
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  Oh my gosh.
• 45:18
  Were you ever able to ask the person who took the photo?
• 45:22
  No, we didn't get her name.
• 45:24
  But she had her husband.
• 45:26
  Well, somebody was holding my phone.
• 45:28
  I don't know.
• 45:29
  But she had come with her husband.
• 45:30
  So there would have been a certain logic to a man walking in the room.
• 45:33
  Could have been her husband.
• 45:34
  Right.
• 45:35
  But this was just some woman in the room who she's not in any other photos.
• 45:41
  It's the weirdest thing.
• 45:43
  That is so weird.
• 45:45
  It's the weirdest thing.
• 45:48
  I can't even explain.
• 45:51
  I watched it a million times because I keep...
• 45:54
  I concider myself a skeptic.
• 45:57
  Am I a skeptic? I mean...
• 45:59
  Maybe.
• 46:01
  But let's maybe not it.
• 46:03
  Give me a reason to not believe this.
• 46:06
  And that's one where I've watched this so many times.
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  And I cannot come up with an explanation.
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  Because you have to say,
• 46:14
  where the woman is standing with the phone to take the picture.
• 46:19
  She can't back up.
• 46:21
  She's against a window.
• 46:23
  Oh, yeah.
• 46:24
  So like there...
• 46:25
  And there's a closet.
• 46:27
  There's sort of a...
• 46:29
  Cut it and closet to the side.
• 46:31
  So there's not space for another human.
• 46:34
  There.
• 46:35
  So it's as though this woman walked past her and would have gone into the closet.
• 46:40
  Which I feel like it would have noticed.
• 46:42
  Yeah.
• 46:43
  You know, like at some point.
• 46:44
  So yeah, that video, I watched it a million times.
• 46:48
  I have no idea.
• 46:49
  I don't know.
• 46:50
  That is so weird.
• 46:51
  I know.
• 46:52
  Oh.
• 46:53
  Because my face is going to be stuck like this.
• 46:55
  (laughs)
• 46:56
  Oh my god.
• 46:57
  Is that like on YouTuber?
• 46:59
  Is that like yours?
• 47:01
  That's on my Google Drive.
• 47:03
  Oh, I could put it on YouTube.
• 47:04
  Oh, I was just wondering.
• 47:05
  I was like, I could watch it later.
• 47:07
  What?
• 47:08
  Yeah, I mean, you could...
• 47:12
  I put it on YouTube.
• 47:13
  You know what?
• 47:14
  My suggestion, anyway.
• 47:16
  Podcast speaking - is that you save the reaction part for when I come back on.
• 47:22
  Absolutely.
• 47:23
  And I'll put it on YouTube so that you can link to it.
• 47:26
  Yeah, definitely.
• 47:27
  Then.
• 47:28
  But I have absolutely no...
• 47:32
  And that was a night where I had wicked insomnia.
• 47:37
  I wonder why.
• 47:38
  But not...
• 47:39
  I don't have...
• 47:40
  My insomnia is an anxiety driven.
• 47:42
  I'm just simply awake.
• 47:44
  And so I was awake until the wee hours.
• 47:47
  I got in a tattoo that day and so I was awake and aware.
• 47:52
  It's a little sore at first and then it was itchy.
• 47:56
  And so I was just sort of aware of a lot through the night.
• 48:01
  And she didn't come back.
• 48:03
  There was no interaction.
• 48:04
  There was nothing scary.
• 48:05
  We just got up the next morning, took the house tour and wandered fall river a little bit and came home.
• 48:12
  Something about my spidey senses was like...
• 48:15
  ...shrinking the fuck out.
• 48:18
  It's not fair.
• 48:19
  And I...
• 48:20
  What the fuck?
• 48:23
  Oh my gosh.
• 48:25
  Wow.
• 48:26
  Caitlyn's not going to sleep tonight.
• 48:30
  Well, I mean, she's the only way in fall river.
• 48:32
  You're fine.
• 48:33
  I'm watching it again.
• 48:36
  Why am I doing this?
• 48:38
  Oh my gosh.
• 48:39
  I can't watch it.
• 48:40
  I can't watch it.
• 48:41
  I can't watch it.
• 48:42
  I can't watch it.
• 48:43
  That was a thousand times.
• 48:44
  And I am fully open to give me an explanation.
• 48:47
  Yeah.
• 48:48
  A fully open to give me an explanation for what.
• 48:52
  Because like I should jump scared when she walks by me.
• 48:55
  I don't...
• 48:56
  It doesn't...
• 48:57
  It doesn't make sense.
• 48:58
  Like if I had seen that, if I had been aware.
• 49:02
  Your damn right, it would have freaked me out to stay there in a literal murder house.
• 49:07
  Like that would have been not great.
• 49:08
  Even though nobody was killed in that room still, you know what?
• 49:11
  I'm only a floor away.
• 49:13
  And so...
• 49:15
  But it wasn't until 24 hours later where I'm home and I'm going through my phone and I see this.
• 49:21
  And I was like, not still.
• 49:23
  It's six years later almost.
• 49:26
  And my mind's still blown.
• 49:28
  Have you sent it to the people that run?
• 49:32
  What is it in?
• 49:34
  No, I have a different story about that.
• 49:39
  Oh.
• 49:40
  Okay.
• 49:41
  People will say, "I mean, we can just keep recording."
• 49:45
  That's fine.
• 49:46
  The other...
• 49:47
  So this is the second visit.
• 49:50
  Yeah.
• 49:51
  The first visit was in 2005 with my husband for our anniversary.
• 49:56
  Because we're super romantic that way.
• 49:59
  And...
• 50:00
  So the crime happened in August.
• 50:02
  And so most murder tourism, which is gross, but it's the thing that happens in August.
• 50:08
  But our anniversary is in October.
• 50:10
  And so you're there in October.
• 50:12
  And the first night was fairly full.
• 50:15
  And they do a house tour.
• 50:17
  And you always get one.
• 50:19
  The guy's name was Duat from Rest Virginian.
• 50:22
  He was looking for orbs.
• 50:24
  And he would just take pictures, look for orbs.
• 50:27
  Oh, Jesus fuck man.
• 50:30
  That's what he was saying.
• 50:31
  I mean, that's what he was saying.
• 50:32
  You're in an old house.
• 50:33
  There's going to be orbs.
• 50:34
  I can just like sneeze.
• 50:35
  You would like some.
• 50:36
  So that was fine.
• 50:38
  And the first night we stayed in the John Morse in the guest room where Abbey Borden was killed.
• 50:46
  Because I am sick.
• 50:48
  And I'm not happy.
• 50:49
  And the second night there was supposed to be a full bus tour that was going to share the house.
• 50:57
  But I had the cancel for some reason.
• 50:59
  So I ended up being my husband and I in the owner of the B&B, whose name I can't pull up off the top of my head.
• 51:07
  But it was only the three of us in the house.
• 51:09
  Oh.
• 51:10
  And so we had the whole place for ourselves.
• 51:12
  And so she was like, you could stay in whatever room you want.
• 51:16
  And we had already stayed in the John Morse room.
• 51:19
  So we decided to stay in Lizzie’s bedroom.
• 51:21
  Second night, because why not?
• 51:22
  Like, why not?
• 51:23
  Like, where we're all too good to stay.
• 51:25
  And so we are so you have to picture.
• 51:30
  I have to describe the downstairs of the houses.
• 51:33
  Do you know what I mean?
• 51:34
  If I say a shotgun house.
• 51:35
  Yeah.
• 51:36
  That's it.
• 51:37
  So I'm standing by the front door.
• 51:39
  I got a straight line of sight to the back.
• 51:41
  There's no hallways.
• 51:42
  It's just.
• 51:44
  It's a parlor, short of foyer.
• 51:47
  Like you open the front door and you're immediately.
• 51:49
  There's a little guest book.
• 51:50
  So I'm standing looking through the guest book.
• 51:52
  My husband is directly upstairs from using the bathroom.
• 51:55
  I can hear him walking around.
• 51:57
  My husband's six four.
• 51:58
  Like he doesn't tip toe.
• 51:59
  You know what I'm saying?
• 52:00
  Right.
• 52:01
  So he's, I know where he is.
• 52:04
  And the owner is in the dining room.
• 52:07
  And because there are not hallways.
• 52:11
  So I'm standing in this open area.
• 52:14
  I'm maybe five feet from the couch where Andrew Borden was killed.
• 52:18
  Right.
• 52:19
  So I'm like, which is not the couch is, but it's a remodel.
• 52:23
  Yeah.
• 52:24
  And.
• 52:25
  But so it's right there.
• 52:26
  And the couch is situated between two doors, both of which.
• 52:31
  Get you into the dining room.
• 52:33
  You know what I'm saying?
• 52:34
  So that I can, the point is that I can see both entrances to the dining room.
• 52:39
  Which is where the owner is.
• 52:41
  She's got paperwork spread out all over the dining room table.
• 52:44
  And she's doing businessy important things.
• 52:47
  Yeah.
• 52:48
  And.
• 52:50
  I can see straight back to the end.
• 52:52
  So I'm page into the guest book.
• 52:53
  I can see straight back to the kitchen in the back door.
• 52:56
  I can see everything on the first floor.
• 52:58
  The parlors is to my immediate left.
• 53:01
  There's nobody in there.
• 53:02
  And there is a back stairway.
• 53:04
  So my husband is overhead near the front stairway.
• 53:07
  You can't easily get to the back stairway.
• 53:11
  And there's the sound of someone running down the steps in the back.
• 53:16
  And it's to me felt feminine in a sense, light footsteps.
• 53:24
  And they're quick.
• 53:25
  And like, like, in that stairway takes like two tight turns.
• 53:30
  So you have to be familiar with the house to go that quickly.
• 53:33
  So that's the best I can describe.
• 53:35
  It's like, if you're in your own house, you can kind of like,
• 53:38
  pattern down the stairs.
• 53:40
  And that's what it felt like.
• 53:41
  Because somebody who just kind of knew the rear end.
• 53:43
  And then nobody appeared.
• 53:45
  And I'm just standing there like, cool.
• 53:48
  That's that's weird.
• 53:50
  But what are you going to do with that?
• 53:51
  Like on its own independently.
• 53:54
  What are you going to do with that?
• 53:55
  Nothing.
• 53:56
  Then the owner pops her head out of the dining room and says,
• 53:59
  "You just come down the back steps."
• 54:01
  And I lost my mind.
• 54:03
  Because I was like, "Ah, that was just substantiated."
• 54:06
  Somebody else heard the same thing that I heard.
• 54:11
  And I was like, "No, I've been seated right here.
• 54:13
  What is your hair?"
• 54:14
  And she's like, "Somebody came down the back steps."
• 54:16
  Oh my god.
• 54:17
  I'm like, "I know."
• 54:18
  And then Willum comes down the front steps.
• 54:20
  And he's like I said, he's six four.
• 54:22
  He's a hockey player.
• 54:23
  He's a big guy.
• 54:24
  And so there's a real different sound.
• 54:26
  And he's like, "What are you talking about?"
• 54:29
  I didn't hear any of that.
• 54:31
  I'm the king, jerk, because you're upstairs.
• 54:33
  It's all the fun.
• 54:35
  But I was so jazzed by the fact that someone else heard it.
• 54:40
  Yeah, really?
• 54:41
  Because I would doubt myself, but somebody else hearing it.
• 54:44
  Yeah.
• 54:45
  Absolutely.
• 54:46
  Oh my gosh, that's crazy.
• 54:48
  I was so jazzed.
• 54:49
  I was so excited.
• 54:50
  And then I go ahead and take my extended release, sleepy time.
• 54:57
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  Have a creepy ass day!
• 57:47
  Babies.
• 57:48
  Babies.
• 57:49
  All right.
• 57:50
  Okay.
• 57:51
  No, Pete's younger than me.
• 57:52
  I guess he could be my baby.
• 57:53
  Pete.
• 57:54
  Are you sick of us?
• 57:55
  Are you dating like super hot girls still?
• 57:58
  Because that's like not working out for you, you know?
• 58:00
  Yeah.
• 58:01
  You can call me.
• 58:02
  Stop that.
• 58:03
  Stop that!