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#2530 - Timothy Alberino · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: Joe podcast.
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  Speaker 1: It seems fine to meet you, great to be with you.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of your content online, but the
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  Speaker 2: one that got me the most was absolutely the Giant
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  Speaker 2: in Afghanistan, the Kandahart Giant story. And I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you know, but I had Devin Lrott on the
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  Speaker 2: podcast The arm Wrestler, and he told a story about
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  Speaker 2: how when he was in the Canadian military, he was
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  Speaker 2: deployed in Afghanistan and one of the guys that he
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  Speaker 2: was working with over there had to have a conversation
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  Speaker 2: with a warlord, with a local warlord, and he said,
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  Speaker 2: this guy was eight feet tall. He said, this guy
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  Speaker 2: was fucking huge, and not just tall but wide. He
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  Speaker 2: said it was the biggest man he's ever seen in
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  Speaker 2: his life.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I've heard a lot of things about giants in Afghanistan,
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  Speaker 1: and I find that, you know, I talk about a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different topics. I talk about a lot of
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  Speaker 1: UFO stuff, and I say some things that I know
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  Speaker 1: are that I know can get me in trouble, But
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  Speaker 1: nothing makes me more nervous than talking about giants specifically
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  Speaker 1: the Kandahar Giant and the giants in Kandahar in general.
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  Speaker 1: Why you know, mainly because when I talk to people
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  Speaker 1: who know things, they're very, very nervous when we get
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  Speaker 1: to this topic, and some of them will just flat
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  Speaker 1: out will not talk about giants in general, but specifically
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  Speaker 1: giants in Afghanistan. And some of these guys are high
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  Speaker 1: level guys that worked at the Pentagon, and they'll talk
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  Speaker 1: rather freely with me about UFOs, but as soon as
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  Speaker 1: we broach this topic, it's it's like they warn't. They
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  Speaker 1: literally will warn me be careful with this topic.
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  Speaker 2: What what do you make of that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think that the topic of giants is intermeshed
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  Speaker 1: with the occult. That's my personal theory because nothing else
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  Speaker 1: makes sense. Who cares if there's eight foot tall guys, right,
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  Speaker 1: big deal?
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  Speaker 2: Well there's eight foot tall humans, right, there's We were
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  Speaker 2: just talking about that young kid that's a basketball player
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  Speaker 2: that's seven foot nine, right. Yeah. So there's actual giants
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  Speaker 2: that are in public, right, that like play for the NBA,
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  Speaker 2: right that they're out there, you could meet them.
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  Speaker 1: But when I talk when I say giants, I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about nine to twelve feet tall. That's that's eight to
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  Speaker 1: twelve feet tall. Would would I would? I would classify
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  Speaker 1: an eight foot tall person as a giant as well,
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  Speaker 1: as long as they don't have gigantism, right, that's a
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  Speaker 1: completely different thing. Gigantism is a disability.
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  Speaker 2: This Kandahart giant story is very crazy because what's interesting
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  Speaker 2: about it is the people that I've talked to that
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  Speaker 2: have been in Afghanistan, that were deployed in Afghanistan, not
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  Speaker 2: just Devon but other people, they don't dismiss it. They say,
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  Speaker 2: we've heard some word shit about that place. And the
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  Speaker 2: thing that they always say is you've got to realize,
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  Speaker 2: like Afghanistan is an old country. It's old, and it's
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  Speaker 2: very remote, like most of it is very mountainous. It's
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  Speaker 2: controlled by war lords. And you know, look, there's these
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  Speaker 2: what are those? Are they Greek or Roman? Those structures
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  Speaker 2: that are there that were that date the Greek They
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  Speaker 2: look like Greek temples that date back to Alexander the
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  Speaker 2: Great and archaeologists can't study them. They can't go there
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  Speaker 2: because it's too dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of the most remote places on the planet.
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  Speaker 1: Specifically because it's so dangerous you can't just go strolling
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  Speaker 1: around Afghanistan. You probably would It probably would be easier
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  Speaker 1: to go to Antarctica than Afghanistan. And it's so hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: So the story of the Kandahar Giant.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's tell a story.
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  Speaker 1: This story has grown into a mythology over the years.
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  Speaker 1: Years ago, I was working with a gentleman named Steve
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  Speaker 1: Quail and we started a production company called Jen six Productions,
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  Speaker 1: and we were making documentary films mainly about giants, mainly
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  Speaker 1: on the topic of giants.
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  Speaker 2: Giants has referred to in the Bible in history, the
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  Speaker 2: Smithsonian giants.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Biblical and historical accounts of giants. So I
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  Speaker 1: was traveling around the world investigating giants and Steve is
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  Speaker 1: known for his investigations into giants. And he got a
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  Speaker 1: phone call from an elderly woman who told him, you
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  Speaker 1: need to talk to my son. My son has a
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  Speaker 1: story he needs to tell you. And she had to
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  Speaker 1: convince her son to talk to Steve, and ultimately he did,
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  Speaker 1: and he was active duty. He was a Sea one
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  Speaker 1: thirty pilot active duty. He actually went on coast to
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  Speaker 1: coast with Steve. They went on coast to Ghost together
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  Speaker 1: and he related his story. I believe it. George norre him,
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  Speaker 1: Steve and George. And then later on we flew him
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  Speaker 1: into bos in Montana to put him in our documentary
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  Speaker 1: film that we were making, and he did not he
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  Speaker 1: wanted to be filmed in silhouette. He did not want
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  Speaker 1: his face out there, even though he knew that they're
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to mark him just by his voice.
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  Speaker 1: So he flies into Bozeman, we meet with him. He
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  Speaker 1: shows us his credentials. He was active duty see one thirty,
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  Speaker 1: and then he told us the following story, among many
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  Speaker 1: other things that he told us. He said, back in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and five, he was deployed in Afghanistan and
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  Speaker 1: Iraq running missions as the C one thirty cargo pilot,
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  Speaker 1: and oftentimes they would have him fly into Bagram Airfield
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  Speaker 1: and these were routine missions, and so on one of
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  Speaker 1: these missions, he's flying into Bagram, but this time when
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  Speaker 1: he landed, he was met. As soon as he deplained,
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  Speaker 1: he was met on the tarmac by some individuals that
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  Speaker 1: he describes as the babysitters. He calls him the babysitters.
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  Speaker 1: He thinks they were either army intelligence or air force intelligence. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: and they didn't tell him. But this was different because
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  Speaker 1: when he disembarked, they told him no photos, no mention
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  Speaker 1: of this. Ever, this never happened, so he knew that
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  Speaker 1: whatever was about to happen was top secret. And he
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  Speaker 1: had flown classified missions before, usually retrieving Teliban guys what
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  Speaker 1: he described as high valued assets. But this was different
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  Speaker 1: because there were intelligence guys on the tarmac waiting for something.
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  Speaker 1: And it turns out what they were waiting for was
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  Speaker 1: the cargo that was being delivered on a forklift to
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  Speaker 1: the sea one thirty and the pilot says that the
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  Speaker 1: first thing that struck him as this cargo was moving
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  Speaker 1: toward him and his crew was the odor. He said,
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  Speaker 1: it smelled like this, like musk, bio and death, and
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  Speaker 1: it was extremely pungent. And when the cargo arrived, it
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  Speaker 1: was on an air cargo pallette which is seven x nine,
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  Speaker 1: and there was a he could see that there was
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  Speaker 1: a person on the pallet in the fetal position, and
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  Speaker 1: this individual was so large that his hands and his
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  Speaker 1: feet and part of his head were hanging off a pallet,
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  Speaker 1: and he and his loadmaster, and there were some marines
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  Speaker 1: who accompanied the pellet who accompanied this cargo. They were
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  Speaker 1: actually putting their feet up to this guy's feet, this
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  Speaker 1: dead giant's feet, and seeing how small their feet were
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  Speaker 1: compared to his. Now, the giant had red hair, he
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  Speaker 1: had six fingers on each hand, six toes on each foot.
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  Speaker 1: His feet were wrapped in like a crude canvas foot,
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  Speaker 1: and he was solid as a rock. Again, most of
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  Speaker 1: his body was covered by a tart. But the pilot
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  Speaker 1: and the guys around him were hitting him with their fists,
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  Speaker 1: and he came up to about their midsection, laying in
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  Speaker 1: the fetal position, and the pilot told me he was
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  Speaker 1: solid as a rock, this guy. And he asked the
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  Speaker 1: Marines what happened? Where did this guy come from? And
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  Speaker 1: they told him that they had heard that there was
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  Speaker 1: a team that was out in Afghanistan that was looking
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  Speaker 1: for Taliban or something, and they came upon a cave
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  Speaker 1: because there was a nearby village in the villagers where
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  Speaker 1: we're bringing food and other artifacts in the mouth of
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  Speaker 1: this cave, and so they thought that they're aiding and
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  Speaker 1: abetting the Taliban. So they went into the cave and
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  Speaker 1: rather than encountering the Taliban, what they found was this
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  Speaker 1: enormous humanoid who killed them all, And then according to
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  Speaker 1: these soldiers, they deployed another team to go look for
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  Speaker 1: that team, and when they found the cave, they found
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  Speaker 1: the traces of that other team. They were ready, they
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  Speaker 1: were prepared, and they were able to kill the giant.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, the soldiers told the pilot that the giant
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  Speaker 1: was eating on members of the team who who had
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  Speaker 1: killed previously. But these new guys they took him down
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  Speaker 1: and then they had a transport helicopter come in and
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  Speaker 1: airlift him to Bogram.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever try to find records of who was
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  Speaker 2: there and casualties that were reported, deaths that were reported.
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  Speaker 1: It's very difficult. The Pentagon actually released a statement some
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  Speaker 1: years ago, which is bizarre to me, you know, basically saying,
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  Speaker 1: in paraphrasing, the Kandahar Giant incident never happened. There was
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  Speaker 1: never a giant that was killed in Afghanistan. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was a recent It was like a spokesman from the
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  Speaker 1: Pentagon or something, or a release from the Pentagon.
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  Speaker 2: Is this available online?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they actually felt the need to debunk this.
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  Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Now, that gets me sketchy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I believe the pilot because he was a very
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  Speaker 1: credible guy. He didn't want his name out there. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't want fame or notoriety. He was very nervous. He thought,
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  Speaker 1: there's a good chance that they're going to recognize me
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  Speaker 1: by my voice. He was on Coast to Coast a
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  Speaker 1: m and then he's on in our documentary. There's a
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  Speaker 1: good chance I'm going to get recognized and there's going
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  Speaker 1: to be some reprisal. He was nervous. Now, they weighed
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  Speaker 1: the giant before they loaded him on the C one thirty,
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  Speaker 1: because they have to load everything that goes under the
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  Speaker 1: sea one there. The load master weighed him. He weighed
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  Speaker 1: eleven hundred pounds and they estimated his height at ten
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  Speaker 1: to twelve feet tall. And so they loaded him onto
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  Speaker 1: the C one thirty and then they flew him to Katar,
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  Speaker 1: and then they unloaded the cargo and Qatar. And our
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  Speaker 1: pilot told me he heard through the grapevine that the
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  Speaker 1: body ended up at right Patterson Air Force Base. He said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, that's just what I heard. So this
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  Speaker 1: is a first hand account from the C one thirty
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  Speaker 1: pilot who flew the body himself from Barbara Airfield to Katar.
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  Speaker 2: Why does all the weird shit go to Wright Patterson.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's where the weird shit goes, right.
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  Speaker 1: Patterson used to have the Blue Room. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if they still have it, but they used to have
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  Speaker 1: a room there called the Blue Room where they had
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  Speaker 1: all of the alien artifacts that had been recovered and
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  Speaker 1: that they were studying. And it was completely off limits
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  Speaker 1: to anybody except for people who had access, the very
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  Speaker 1: few who had access. But the Kandahar Giant, you know
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  Speaker 1: that story. A colleague of mine, Eli Marsoulli, he had
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  Speaker 1: another guy come to him, a different guy. We interviewed
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  Speaker 1: the pilot, Steve, and I la had another guy come
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  Speaker 1: to him that was I can't remember the details. He
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  Speaker 1: was a Special Forces guy. He had firsthand knowledge of
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  Speaker 1: the event as well. And we're not sure if it's
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  Speaker 1: the same one or a different one, if there was
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  Speaker 1: just one incident with the giants, or if there were
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  Speaker 1: multiple incidents. Now years later, this would be just a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years ago, because we published that film I
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  Speaker 1: think back in twenty sixteen, but just a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years ago. And I do have to be very careful here.
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  Speaker 1: I ran into a gentleman who was very high up,
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  Speaker 1: let's say, in the operations happening out there during the
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  Speaker 1: Iraq War and in Afghanistan, and this individual had he'd
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  Speaker 1: flown a lot of missions and he was a commander,
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  Speaker 1: and I asked him. We were having a casual conversation
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  Speaker 1: and he starts to walk away, and I said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you were in flying missions in Afghanist And I said,
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  Speaker 1: did you have you ever heard about the Kandahar Giant?
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  Speaker 1: And his wife was standing next to me and he's
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  Speaker 1: sort of walking away. He turns around. The blood rushes
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  Speaker 1: out of his face and he literally goes like this
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  Speaker 1: to me, points to his phone, and his wife whispers,
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  Speaker 1: he can't talk about that. So later on I was
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  Speaker 1: able to. We agreed to meet it later on and
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  Speaker 1: in a very controlled environment, and he related a story
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  Speaker 1: to me. That's the most wild story I've ever heard
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  Speaker 1: of my life. And I'm sorry I can't relate it.
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  Speaker 1: I love this guy, I want to protect him. But
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  Speaker 1: it's not the Giant of Candahar. It's the giants of Kandahar.
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  Speaker 1: There's more than one the military has known about it.
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  Speaker 1: Aside from him, I talked to other soldiers who've also
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  Speaker 1: who've also had knowledge of that the specific incident that
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  Speaker 1: I decided earlier, but then also in general, the giants
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  Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. And I have a friend of mine who
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  Speaker 1: I met some years ago. Actually, I was with lue
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  Speaker 1: Elizondo at Loose Bar in Wyoming and there is a
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  Speaker 1: friend of Luz who's now a friend of mine there
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  Speaker 1: and we were talking about the Kanadhar giant. I was
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  Speaker 1: just telling him the story I told you, and he
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  Speaker 1: just couldn't believe it. He thought, this is nuts, this
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  Speaker 1: is crazy. And I said, Okay, do something for me.
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  Speaker 1: Next time you're talking to somebody in government or in
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  Speaker 1: the military who you think maybe might know something about this,
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  Speaker 1: bring it up. See what happens. So he called me
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  Speaker 1: one day and he said, Tim, you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: believe it. He said, I was talking to I have
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  Speaker 1: to be very careful here too. He said, I was
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  Speaker 1: talking to a certain individual who works for a senator.
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  Speaker 1: He's a staffer. I think I believe he's one of
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  Speaker 1: the chief of staff for the senator, or at the
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  Speaker 1: very least an advisor. And he's got a military background,
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  Speaker 1: special Forces. And he said, I was sitting there. We're
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  Speaker 1: really good friends. He said, we're having a casual conversation,
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  Speaker 1: as we always do. And just in the midst of
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  Speaker 1: this conversation, I said, hey, what what do you know
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  Speaker 1: about the Candahar giant? And he said his face completely contorted,
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  Speaker 1: and he was no longer just they were no longer
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  Speaker 1: just being happy and laughing. He became very stern and
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  Speaker 1: he and he said, what have you gotten yourself into?
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  Speaker 1: What are you looking into? He said, you need to
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  Speaker 1: be really careful, and you wouldn't tell him anything else.
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  Speaker 1: That's the kind of reaction that I get and others
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  Speaker 1: get whenever we try and get information on this story.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very fun story. I don't know why it's
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  Speaker 2: so fun, but it's very fun. But the question is,
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  Speaker 2: what would be the reason why they would want to
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  Speaker 2: keep something like this a secret. I don't I don't
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  Speaker 2: totally understand it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't either.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if there really were a race of giants
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  Speaker 2: that survived, let's assume that what we're talking about is
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  Speaker 2: what's referenced in the Bible. Right, Let's let's assume or
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  Speaker 2: at least the Book of Enoch, right, the Nephilin right,
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  Speaker 2: if we're talking about giants, like the thing about giants
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  Speaker 2: is like Native Americans have stories about redheaded giants. They
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  Speaker 2: talk about the same thing, about them having six fingers
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  Speaker 2: and six toes. They have these same myths, like how
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  Speaker 2: is it that people from the Middle East and people
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  Speaker 2: from North America have this same ancient story and what
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  Speaker 2: is it? What is it in reference to? Like why does.
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  Speaker 1: That it's ubiquitous? This? I mean, legends of giants are
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  Speaker 1: universal all.
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  Speaker 2: Over the Why I hide that? That's what I understand.
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  Speaker 2: Like the stories about the Smithsonian are always fascinating because
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  Speaker 2: the stories are there have been archaeological digs and they
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  Speaker 2: have discovered like enormous femurs that they thought were like
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  Speaker 2: wooly mammoth or something, and then they realized like, well,
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  Speaker 2: this is a giant human. And they find hair and
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  Speaker 2: the hair is red, and that they and that they
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  Speaker 2: take these bones and they tuck them away somewhere. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is always the myth. They tuck them away in
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  Speaker 2: the basement of the Smithsonian or somewhere else, and for
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  Speaker 2: whatever reason, the general public is not allowed to know
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  Speaker 2: about this. And I don't totally understand what is it
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  Speaker 2: about giants that they would try to key from us,
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  Speaker 2: Like if they find a new species of dinosaur, that's extinct.
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  Speaker 2: They'll let you know, fascinating, amazing, they find Homo floresciensis,
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  Speaker 2: or however you say it, the little hobbit people. Let
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  Speaker 2: you know, look, we found a little hobbit people. Pretty
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  Speaker 2: cool giants for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it is a it's a conundrum. And if
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  Speaker 1: it's real, it's you think it's giants in general?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, what makes you think it's real?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So let me tell you why I think that
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  Speaker 1: this thing being covered up, and then I'll tell you
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  Speaker 1: why I think it's real, and we'll go to Sardinia
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  Speaker 1: for that. So, I, like you, have been wondering for
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  Speaker 1: a long time, like what is the big deal? And initially,
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  Speaker 1: people in my field, especially people who are coming from
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  Speaker 1: a biblical perspective, the common answer is, well, the existence
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  Speaker 1: of giants woul affirm the Biblical narrative, right, and so
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  Speaker 1: these secular atheist types don't want the biblical narrative affirm.
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  Speaker 1: That can't be right because the existence of giants doesn't
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  Speaker 1: just affirm the Biblical narrative. It affirms the myths and
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  Speaker 1: legends of every ancient culture across the globe, including the Bible.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not something that's specific exclusive to the text
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  Speaker 1: of Scripture, so it would just affirm all these legends
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  Speaker 1: in general. So the only thing that makes sense to
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  Speaker 1: me at this point, and the other line of thinking,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, would be that it would somehow conflict
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  Speaker 1: with the theory of evolution by natural selection, which I
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  Speaker 1: don't really buy into that either, because they would just
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  Speaker 1: say that this branch of humanoids they descended from Gigantopithecus
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  Speaker 1: or something like that. I don't think it would be
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  Speaker 1: that difficult of a problem for the theory of evolution
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  Speaker 1: binatural selection either. I'm not myself an evolutionist, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't see them having that difficult of a problem here.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: So the only thing left on the table for me
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: is that there's something very sinister going on in regard
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: to the remains of giants. And if you study the
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: mythology of giants all over the world, especially in the
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: ancient Near East, you will discover that there was in
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: fact a cult of giants, that there were cultures that
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: venerated giants, and that there was a very particular belief
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: about giants. And this goes back into the Book of Enoch,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: and the idea is that this race of beings who
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: are not entirely human. They're hybrids that when they die
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: you can still make content with their spirits, with their souls,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: they can be summoned. They in fact, these are the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: demons that these are in the New Testament of the Bible.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: These are the demons that possess people. This is the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: origin of demons, by the way, in Hebrew cosmology. So
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: there's this pervasive idea again, especially in the ancient Eariest,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: that dead giants can be communicated with and can possess
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: living human beings their spirits, and so you have a
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: cult of giants to the ancient Earies, especially among the Canaanites,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: and the Canaanites they had Actually there's various customs and
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: rights related to giants, but one of the specific ones
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that we know about is called kiss them, the right
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: of kiss them. And there's a fantastic book written by
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: my friends Derek and Sheer and Gilbert called Veneration where
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: they detail the right of kiss them, and this idea
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: of making tact with the spirits of dead giants and
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the veneration of giants and the right of kispum was
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: it was practiced broadly speaking in the ancient areas, but
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: specifically among the Amorites and other Canaanite clans as well.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: And what they would do is they would hold a
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: feast and then they would invite the dead to come
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and join them at the feast. So this was a
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: necromantic right. And they would they would evoke the dead,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: and they believed that the dead would come and eat
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: with them. Now, the kings, and specifically the Amorite kings,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: they would invoke the spirits of the Mighty Ones, the
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Great Ones, the giants of old, the Refaeen. The Biblical
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: account names various different clans of giants that inhabited the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Levant during and after the conquest by Joshua and the Hebrews.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: And you had the Anachem, who descended from the Nephelene.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: You had the Refayem, Zamzumim, the Emim. These are various
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: clans of giants that are specifically named in the Bible.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Of course, we get Goliath of Gath, Gath as a
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Philistine city. After Joshua entered the Promised Land, they drove
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: out and eradicated a lot of these giant clans, but
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: some of them remained. Some of the individuals remained and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: they were primarily went to the Philistine cities of Gaza,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Gath and Ashdod, and so you have Goliath of Gath,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: who David encounters later in the biblical text. So it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: these heroes of old, these descendants of the nepheline, that
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the Amorites and the ancient Near Easterners are attempting to
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: make contact with because they have knowledge and these are
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: possessing spirits, and so the right of kisspoon that the
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: kings would summon the refaim by name, and you can
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: find this in the Eugaritic texts. Yugurit was an Amorite
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: city state located on on the shore of the Mediterranean
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: in what is today northern Syria, and they have uncovered
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: documents where the Emrai kings are summoning, specifically by names,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: summoning dead giants the Refaen and the idea is to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: summon them and then to become empowered by their spirits.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: They're possessing spirits. Again, this goes back to the tradition
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: of Enoch that the giants when they die, their spirits
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: are in sort of a state of suspended animation and
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: they can be revived, they can be resurrected, as it were,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: and can be made to inhabit the bodies of human beings.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: So there's this ancient cult that existed in the ancient
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Near East and in other parts of the world, and
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: it's associated with the cult of Bale. So you have Bail.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: The giants were thought of as the warriors of Bail.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: And so today we know that the cult of Bale persists.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I mean the Epstein Files, we know that the cult
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: of Bail is still being practiced.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: When you say the Epstein files, what do you mean?
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: What is?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: There's references to Bail, and there's there's the there's this
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: recurrent theme of Bail worship and Bail Jesus. Jesus refers
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: to Bail as Satan in the New Testament, so it's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: basically Satanism. It's it's a Satanic cult.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: And how's the reference in the Epstein Files.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: There's some there's some references to Bail. I can't remember
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the exact references, but there's there's a there's apparently a
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: cult of Baale and the elites are obsessed with some
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: of the elites. I don't know who or how many
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: of them, but it's becoming increasingly apparent that there's a
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: a that there's an infatuation with these ancient Near Eastern cults,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: specifically the Canaan Niddish cults. And so the reason why
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I'm going through all of this is because I think
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it's still alive and well today in society, and I
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: believe that they're using the bones the remains of giants
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: in these practice. I think it's extremely dark. I think
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: this is part of the reason why, part of the
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: reason why there may be a cover up around it.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Nothing else makes sense to me. Nothing else makes sense
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to me in terms of the cover up. In terms
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of the.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Coverab, it makes sense to me that you have incredibly powerful,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: wealthy people that don't want to be exposed as being
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: perverts and whatever the fuck they were up to. And
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: there's all the weird shit with beef jerky and pizza.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: You know, there's these very strange references that seem to
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: not be talking about beef jerky and it's some kind
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: of code. And there's also the fact that he brought
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: an enormous amount of sulphuric acid, like right after he
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: was indicted to the island, Like I forget how many
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: gallons of it, but barrels of sulfuric acid, which is
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: what you would use to dissolve bodies. So it's like
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: it seems like there's a lot of reasons for a
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: cover up. If this guy was running some sort of
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: blackmail operation and had information on powerful people, you would
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: that would make sense that that's why they would cover
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: it up.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the cover up of the pedophilia or just but.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Even if it's not pedophilia, even just adultery or drug
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: use or whatever.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: The ball thing apparently comes up on a bank file,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: and it may have been misinterpreted.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: It does say be a a L dot name.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: People who are digging into this say that it might
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: have just been a misinterpretation. That's the only mention of it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Misinterpretation.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean it's another page here shows that.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Here's like the document it might have just do it
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: doesn't even say it there that I can see it.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure exactly Here's where it says it,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: you know, exactly where Bail's reference specifically, Yeah, right there
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: for one place for sure. Bank document.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that has anything and do it
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: the occult specifically, but.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Just imagine if it's the name of Satan, and this
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: is the name of your bank account.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's quite odd.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's at least creepy. Yeah for sure, at least creepy.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you have this, this this scenario in which
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: let's just say, for the sake of argument, that it's true, okay,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: that the legends are true, the giants are real, that
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: that you can make contact with their.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Spirits through their bone.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Through maybe through their remains. That or at least people
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: believe this, and so.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: There's some sort of a method that they use.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay, so this will get us into Sardinia.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: So whenever anyone asks me, what's the what's the best
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: evidence you've ever seen for the existence of giants? Now
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you've already cited some some some historical context around this.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: The legend of giants is every word. It's in every continent,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and you have giants aside from the Biblical account obviously
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: all for the Mesopotamia. The cult of giants in the
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: United States during the era of the Smithsonian Gate, the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Smithsonian's apparent the Smithsonian Institution's apparent cover up of giants,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: especially the ones that were being discovered in the mounds
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: here in the United States, but it's pervasive. In Peru,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: there's legends of giants and uh, the natives, the indigenous
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: peoples absolutely believe there was a premordial race of giants.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: The same thing in Central America. They believe there was
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: a premortal race of giants that was destroyed in a cataclysm,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: specifically a flood. That's what the income believed that Beata
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Coach of the guy Beata Coacha created first a race
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: of giants, but they were they were they were stupid
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: and evil, and so he destroyed them in a flood.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Same same story down in up in Mexico, and among
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the Aztec and the Native Americans the six finger red
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: haired giants and so forth. So there's a lot of
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: historical context, and I would and of course it's anecdotal,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: but it's but how much anecdotal evidence just at one
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: point does anecdotal evidence just become evidence when there's when
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: it's so pervasive all over the world. So, as I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: was traveling around the world studying giants and researching this
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: topic and investigating different stories and legends, I went to Malta,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: which is very interesting. Obviously, lots of legends of giants
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: in Malta associated with the megaliths. And then and then
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I kind of hit ground zero for giants, which is
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the island of Sardinia. And the island of Sardinia is
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: located west of Rome. It's part of Italy. It's in
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: the western Mediterranean below Corsica. And many people don't realize
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: this about Sardinia, but Sardinia has the highest has the
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: most megaliths anywhere on Earth. It has the highest concentration
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: of megaliths anywhere that I've been, as far as I'm
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: aware of. There are these massive megalithic towers called nurragi
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: that were constructed allegedly by the or conventionally by the
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the Neurogic civilization, Bronze Age civilization. And there are today
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: still at least seven thousand of these things standing. You
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: can go to Sardinia and see seven thousand Nuragi towers.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: There're at one time ten to thirty thousand of these
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: megalithic towers, and some of these towers stood over one
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: hundred feet tall.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: CHAMMI whoisse the pictures of the Yeah, how would he look?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Nuragi, Sardinia, Nuragi.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Three different things. So I don't I guess this is
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: it is that, Yeah, that's what it is.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: So what is the timeline of this neurogic how do
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: you say it, neurogic.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: The neurogic civilization.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: It's the Bronze Age, Yeah, the Bronze Age.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: So what is that thirty three hundred to thirty three
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: hundred BC to about twelve hundred BC.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: And that's what this stuff is from.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: And they say it was They say that these were
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: built in the Bronze Age. That's the conventional idea. And
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: again there's seven thousand of them on the island today,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: but they are up up to I've seen estimates up
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to thirty thousand, including in the museum in Sardinia. And
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: aside from these towers, they also have these are by
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the way, these are megalithic. So these are These are
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: megalithic towers that are constructed in the Cyclopean style and
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Cyclopean masonry. Cyclopean architecture is the trademark of megaliths worldwide
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: and Cyclopean this is the This is the the archaeological
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: term for the technique Cyclopean, referencing the Great Cyclopies of
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Greek mythology, who are believed to be the inventors of
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: tower building, and you know the builders, the offspring of
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the gods, who are the great builders and masons. That's
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the that's the mythology. But the trademark of Cyclopean architecture
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: is that these are large stones that are fitted together
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: without the use of any binding agent like mortar, without
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: any kind of mortar. And you have exquisite examples of
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Cyclopean masonry in different parts of the earth, like in Peru,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: the walls of Saksawamanar are absolutely amazing, breathtaking, lee beautiful
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: in regard to their design and the polygonal, tightly fitting blocks,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: immense blocks of stone, whereas in Sardinia these are crude blocks,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the crudely worked blocks of basalt and granite and limestone
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: that are fitted together but without the use of mortar.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: So they are built in the Cyclopean style. And again
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: some of them were one hundred feet tall, and they
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: had some of them were for defensive purposes, and some
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: of them had a wooden platform that crown the top,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: and that platform was buttressed by other very large stones
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: that were that were finally cut sometimes basalt. I've seen
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: some of these stones in Sardinia and I've been to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: the island a few times researching the towers and giants.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: And aside from the towers, these megalithic towers, you also
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: have megalithic tombs which are called to this day the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: tombs of the Giants, and you can go and visit them.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: There were there's eight hundred of them extent today, and
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: archaeologists believe there were many more in the past. Someone
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: knows exactly how many, But oftentimes it seems to me
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that the towers on the tombs are closely associated if
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: fulfill a function. I think that is that is interlated
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and the megalithic tombs of the giants the legends. According
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: to legend and Sardinia, they were associated with the bodies
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: of giants. But of course today you have armchair archaeologists
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: will say that's just myth. You couldn't even fit bodies
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: inside of these tombs. Yes you could. I mean, none
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: of these guys have ever bothered to go to Sardinia
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: with a tape measure. I did, and yes you can.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: You can fit the bodies of nine eight nine ten
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: foot tall guys in these tombs without a problem. And
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: there's two different styles of megalithic tombs in Sardinia. You
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: have the steely style, which there's a large steely stone,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: a monolithic stone in the front with a little doorway
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: in it, and a doorway is almost like a little
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: doggy door at the bottom, but it's big enough, I
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: mean a young person could crawl through it. And then
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you have the trilithon doorway, this style of megalithic tomb,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: which is a larger doorway, you still have to like
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: a guy my size would still have to bend down
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: to get inside. But the tombs are configured the same,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: they're shaped the same, these two different styles. And what
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of people misunderstand about the tombs is the
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: tombs were not built to house the bodies of giants.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: They were built on top of the interred giant. So
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the giant was inhumed beneath the tomb. It was buried
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: beneath the tomb, and then the edifice was built on
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: top so that opening.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Where are you getting this information, Oh.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: This is known in Sardinia. I spent a lot of
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: time researching the tombs of the giants in Sardinia and
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: talking to various experts.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: And who are these experts? Like local historians like.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: What some of them. Yeah, there's there's you can go
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: to the you can also go to the museums in
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Sardinian read a lot of this stuff. Now the I
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: have a friend named Paula Loy, who's uh, she's a
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: she's a I think she's the best tour guide in Sardinia,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and she's extremely knowledgeable about all this stuff. She'd take
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: you to the museum and you walk through all of
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: this information with her. And they have little models in
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the museum of the the tombs of the Giants. And
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: there's a legend in Sardinia that it's called the It's
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: called the right of incubation, and this is a necromantic
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: right that was practiced by the Sardinians and it describes
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the purpose of the tombs. So the tombs, when you
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: walk into the tombs again, they're megalithic, The walls are megalithic.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Some pretty large stones incorporated in these tombs. When you
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: walk into the tombs, there's a gallery inside, and the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: gallery is rather large. You could fit a body of
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: vagina in there. But that's beside the point, because that's
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: not the purpose of the tomb. The purpose of the
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: tomb of the gallery inside the tomb is to is
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: for the it's to accommodate a young person during a
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: rite of passage, and during the Bronze Age, you're talking
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: about boys from twelve to fourteen years old, right generally speaking,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and they would go into the tomb alone and they
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: would be sealed in the tomb. So that little doggie
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: door that's in the Stelle, the Steely version of the
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: tombs of the Giants, they would crawl in there and
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: then they would be sealed inside. And there's a little
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: on most of those steely tombs, there's a little hole
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: at the top as well, so there's so it's not
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: like they're there's sealed in there and they can't breathe
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: or anything. No, they would go in there and they
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: would spend some days in the tomb alone. That's one
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: of the doors with the steely monolithic stone. And they're
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: all shaped the same. It's hard to tell because they've
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: been disassembled. Many of them have been disassembled, but you
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: can see they're the trilithon. That's a trilithon tomb. That's
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: a that's something else that's a well. But the tombs
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: are all shaped you can see down there, see right
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the picture right below that one. There you go see
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: how the tombs are shaped. Yeah, now that's all. All
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: these tombs are shaped that way. This has to do
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: with the right of incubation. So the young person would
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: go inside the gallery. They'd be sealed inside that the
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: young boy, and they would The purpose of this was
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: to incubate inside of the gallery in order to be
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: empowered and energized by the spirit of the mighty One
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: buried beneath the tomb. And again, according to legend, the
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: mighty ones were giants. So I don't think it's coincidental
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: that the tombs are actually shaped like a womb if
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: you look at that the view of the tomb from above. Originally,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: when I was researching this in Sardinia, I thought it
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: was shaped like a bull's head, which would be something
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: like the iconographic of Molek or something like that Canaan Kiddish.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: But I realized that actually this is shaped like a womb.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: The tomb looks like a womb. If you pull up
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: a womb, you'll see what I mean. It looks like
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: a womb, a shaped like a womb. And this was
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: to accommodate the right of incubation, and so these young
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: people the ideas they're in there, they are communing, incubated
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: in the presence of the dead hero buried beneath, and
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: they're absorbing their spirit, their prowess. And then the tomb
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: is unsealed and the young person emerges from the womb,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: as it were, it's like a new birth. They're now
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: they went in a boy, they're now coming out a man,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: empowered by the spirit of the of their ancestral heroes.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: So these are called to this day the tombs of
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the Giants. Now you can say, well, that's just that's
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: just mythology, that's just Sardinian legend. The problem is you
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: can interview people, or at least you could in times past,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: interview Sardinians all across the island who have themselves dug
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: up the bones of giants, or encounter the bones of
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: giants and in some kind of a in some context,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: usually around the towers, the Nuragi towers. I interviewed dozens
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: of people in Sardinia, most of them elderly, who had
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: themselves encountered the bones of giants in different contexts well,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: plowing in fields they pull up bones, or they would
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: find the bones in the tombs or whatever. And it's
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: very easy to dismiss the whole thing as while they
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: were just digging up megafauna, right the bones of mastodons
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: and giant sloths. The problem is some of these bones
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: had jewelry, some of them had had Roman coins associated
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: with some of them had rings on the fingers and
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: necklaces around the neck, the collar, and they would actually
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: and most of these were old timers, because this doesn't
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: it's not really happening anymore in Sardiny. This is something
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that was happening in the sixties, fifties, forties, thirties and back,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: but especially between like post World War two, when the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: island was undergoing a process of industrialization and they were
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: building new roads and digging for foundations and stuff, they
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: were digging up the bones of giants. And there's a
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: particular church called Santa Anastasia in Sardinia, and it's in
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the region of Sadada. And I interviewed two gentlemen in Sardinia,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: two guys who were officially employed by the municipality and
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: by the University of Kagetti. Caajetti is the capital city
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: of Sardinia. They were specifically employed to excavate the ruins,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the neurrogic ruins on the premises of the Church of
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Santa Anastasia. Santa Anastasia is a small, little Catholic church,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: but if you go there you'll see that even today
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: you can see the remains of a neurogic settlement there.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: There's a there are nuragi towers there. It's just it's
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: an archaeological site. And these two individuals, one of them
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: his name was Giuseppe, the other's name was Roberto, and
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Giuseppe worked there from He worked there from I believe
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: it was nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty one, and
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: then Roberto worked there from nineteen eighty two to nineteen
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: eighty four. Both of these guys employed officially in an
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: official capacity from the municipality of Savada to do this excavation,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and so they would be there. The protocol was you
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: go and you excavate the ruins, and all the artifacts
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: you find get put into the church. So all the
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: artifacts went into the Church of sant Anastasia. And you
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: can see this church by the way, if you pull
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: it up. Its called Sant Anastasia and Sardinia, and all
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the bones were put into the church. All the artifacts
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: were put into the church. And among the artifacts that
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: were being collected were the skeletons of giants, and not mastodons,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: not giants launographs. These guys they well, of course not.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: But these guys were very reluctant to talk to us.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: The one guy, Roberto, was very nervous. He said, we
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: were told never to talk about this. This never happened again.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: This was back in the eighties. He did think anything
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: of it. He wasn't told go to sant Anastasia and
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: look for the bones of giants. He was just told
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: go excavate the site. He was one of the excavators
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: at sant Anastasia, and the whole thing was being the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: whole thing was being supervised by the municipality and the university.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: And he dug up personally, he said, he dug up
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: the bodies, two bodies, ten foot tall, guys, full skeletons,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: and he laid them out in these ones he laid
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: out in the courtyard of the church, and he said,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: he notified the people in Kagetti of the discovery, and
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: what would happen is all the artifacts that would go
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: into the church, or in this case outside of the church.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Somebody would come at night and take them all away.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: So they get there in the morning, all the artifacts
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: are gone. He didn't know where they went. The other individual, Giuseppe,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: he also excavated giants from sant Anastasia, various various artifacts
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: related to the giants, gigantic plates, gigantic cups, and goblets, chalices,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: they excavated. They excavated a lot of different artifacts, rings
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and earrings and necklaces and all kinds of all manner
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: of artifacts. And he told me that he remembers a
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: particular case in which he and his wife. His wife
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: was helping me on this particular day, they're excavating in
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: the ruins, and they found a skull that was so large.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: The sculls were three to four times larger than ours.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: He found this skull that was very large, and it
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: had part of the vertebrate attached. Some of these remains
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: were not just skeletal. There was like almost like mummified,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and he and his wife together carried it into the church.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: He told me that while they were digging, they unsealed
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: a compartment inside of one of the towers. There's this
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: large room that was sealed like it was just it
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: had collapsed or whatever. It was sealed, and they opened
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: it up and they went inside and there was a giant,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: this very large person sitting at a table and there
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: were there's a really large plate and an oversized chalice there,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: and and he even had he was eating oysters and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: mussels and clams that were still on the plate. And
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: he was very large. I mean, these guys are there.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: When I say large, are nine to twelve feet tall.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: That's how tall these guys are. And they were it
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: was remarkable. He was extremely well preserved, and because apparently
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: he had been almost like hermetically sealed in this thing.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: And so they they took all the artifacts and the
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: bones and put them into the church and the next
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: day they were all gone. I mean, this was the procedure.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Was these guys uncovered a lot of interesting stuff at
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: those at that that one particular, that one particular excavation
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: at the church of sant Anastasia in Sada, and they
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: were filling the church up with so many artifacts that
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Giuseppe told me that he went over to the mayor
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: and he told the mayor, is there anywhere else that
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: we can put these bones, these artifacts, because we're running
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: out of space in the church. And he was surprised
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: at the mayor's response. The mayor looked at him and said,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: mind your own efing business, put the artifacts in the
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: church and shut your mouth. So these are the kind
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: of stories I would hear all the time in Sardinia.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I mean I could go on and on and on.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I talked to one guy that was cy Virgilio, it
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: was his name. He was one hundred years old, very
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: very interesting guy, and SI had been on a site
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: when he was a young man. He told me a
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: couple of stories, but he told me that he was
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: he was He was working in a vineyard one time
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: and they were excavating. In this they weren't excavating, they
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: were they were tilling the soil to plant a vineyard.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: And as they're tilling the soil, they start to dig
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: up bones. And they realized he's a very large skeletal
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: skeletal remains, and they found like twenty of them, and
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: they were laying on top of each other in a
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: crisscross pattern. And so as soon as they started to
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: find these bones, the owner of the vineyard said stop, stop.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I have to notify the authorities. So he notifies the
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: authorities and they came back to the workers and said,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: you guys have to get out of here. The authorities
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: are coming. You have to leave now. And Si said that.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Everyone left, but he hid in the bushes until everyone
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: had left, and he went back to work in the
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: field because he said, I needed the money and I
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: wanted to actually get paid for the day's wage. So
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I went back and I worked and I kept killing
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the field, and he said, all of a sudden, well,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: the owner of the field came back and he said,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: what are you doing here. I told you to leave,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: and he said, I needed the money, so I'm going
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: to keep working. And the guy said, no, no, I'll pay
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: you double. Just get out of here. And while they're talking,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: the government guys pull up and they pull up in
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: some various vans and they come out and they start
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: taking pictures of all the bones and they they take
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: pictures of the bones of these skeleton skeletal remains that
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: are laying in these cross configurations, and then they load
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: them all into the vans and then they went up
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: into the nearby Newragae. There was a new Rage. They
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: were one of these megalithic towers, and they were inside
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the new Rage looking at something, taking pictures, and so
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I said that they they sealed up like with cement.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: They sealed up this this tunnel, this there's something inside
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: of it. And then they and then they left. And
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I heard dozens of these kind of stories in Sardinia, dozens.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: These people have no reason to lie to me. I mean,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: these are most of these are old timers. They we
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: didn't pay them. They they you know, they live out
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: in the country. I don't if you've ever ever been
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: to Sardinia, it's it's it's it's like going back in
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: time in Italy. These are very simple people who live
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: out in the country. But as I said earlier, the
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: bones that these giants are being found with artifacts.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Try to interrupt. I'm looking at a story, but they're
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: they're talking about finding skeletons. They're they're calling them skeletons,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: they're calling them giants, but they're referring to statues.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: And those are the giants of montem Those are those
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: are just statues of the giants of Monte Promo. I mean,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: there's news articles.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: It goes back to the seventies.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those are just statues. Yeah, those are in the
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: museum there.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: But they call them skeletons, is the only thing I
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: was saying.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: So there's like a little no, they're they're they're stone,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: They're in the museum. They're about seven feet tall. I
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: think some people wonder if those are actually covered skeletons.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: I saw another article here which said, like they found
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: two giant skulls, but they're talking about the statues.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Those some people wonder if those statues actually represented
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: the you know, the the anatomical proportions of the giants.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know that that's the case.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's about all you're going to hear.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: If you just seems that there's not a photo something
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: of all these things, or that some wealthy crazy person
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: didn't get a hold of someone and say, listen, i'll
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: give you ten million dollars, get me a hand. You know,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: I want to put it in a glass case in
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: my house. We know that they've done that with Egyptian stuff.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: A lot of Egyptian artifacts.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Have been Pilford artifacts from a lot of artifacts from Peru,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Central South America. Yeah, there's there's a very robust black market.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Which is so wild, Like, who are these people that
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: have these things?
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: That's a good question. Well, I was told in Sardinia.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: They told me that in some cases they that the
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: bones were confiscated. They were gathered up and thrown into
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: vehicles and carted away. Said told me another story where
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: he was digging a foundation for house, and he in
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: an associate and they they came upon a very large
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: sarcophagus and they pried it open, and he said there
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: was a body of a very large person inside and
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: had a black It was wearing some sort of black fabric,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: and there were coins that were minted from Antoninus Pious,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Roman emperor from that time. And they reported there was
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: a local priest and they told the priest that they
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: found a body. Right, we found a dead body. What
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: do we do? And so the priest came over and
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: he looked down to the pit. He said, give me
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: the coins. I gave him the coins. He said, break
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: the bones up and distribute them in the foundation of
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: the house. I mean this was You know, if you
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: went to Sardinia today, I think you would think to yourself, Okay, yeah,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I can see how there's no one's taking pictures or
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: anything over here. This is like going way back in
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: time in Italy, especially especially back in the forties, fifties,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and sixties when most of these things happened. Now, the
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: excavations at Santanastasia happened in the late seventies early eighties,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: but all these other stories are coming from the sixties, fifties, forties.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, there was just so many people who I
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: talked to, you know, random people would tell me as
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I interviewed them that oh, yeah, yeah, I was digging
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: in my basement one time, and you know, years ago,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: and I dug up a hand. It was a hand
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: and five fingers and you know, it was three times
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: the size of my hand and now fast fingers. Yeah,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: that's random. That could just be you know, megafauna something
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many what a giant sloth hand
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: looks like or whatever. And let me say this, there
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: is no question, none, no question that a lot of
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the accounts that you hear about giants, not the ones
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: associated with coins and jewelry, but a lot of the
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: accounts that you hear about giants and the skeletons of giants,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: they do have prosaic explanations. A lot of them do
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: end up being megafauna bones, especially giant sloths and stuff
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: like that. There was a case in Peru, actually was
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: in Ecuador. This is referenced in the chronicles of Peru,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: that there's a place called Santa Elena and it's a
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: peninsula in in Ecuador. And there's various chroniclers who talk
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: about this, and these are the chroniclers who chronicled the
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: history of the conquest of Peru, the Pisado and the
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: conquistadors who defeated the Inca.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: And.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: They say that, you know, there was a race of giants,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: that there's giants came up. The natives told the conquistadors
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: and the chroniclers that according to legend, giants came over
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the sea on large reed boats. And these giants were
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: they were very very large, and they had they had
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: red hair, and some of them were naked, and some
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: of them were dressed in very primitive clothing. And they
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: landed on the shores of sant Elena, one of the
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: places they landed, and they began to terrorize the local population.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: The indigenous people hated them because they were they were
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: eating all of the food. I mean the natives said
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: that they consumed fifty times the amount of food is
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: a regular sized person, and so the natives hated them.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: They said that the giants built these deep wells. They
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: dug these really deep wells, which you could still see.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: The conquistators said, we could still see them today. They
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: built these houses with very large blocks and huge beams
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: of wood, which were still there when the conquistators are
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: writing about this in the sixteenth and seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: And according to legend, these giants they were sodomites, and
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: they didn't have any women with them, and they were
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: basically struck down by God. And the natives have that
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: and other legends regarding giants being destroyed by God in
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: various ways. But it turns out that Santa Elena is
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: it's one of the most important sites for megafauna bones,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: and there's tons of megaphon, especially giant sloths. So you
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: have lots of MegaFon of bones in Santa Lena. And
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I have no doubt that the the the the natives
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: and the people living during that time in the aftermath
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: of the conquest of the Ink Empire thought that those
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: were the bones of giants.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Right, because there was no giant sloths alive.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: At that time exactly. And and and in some of
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: the accounts you can see where they're saying in the
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: giants and and you know, we uncovered a giant that
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: was had a deformed body, and I thought, oh, that's
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: probably a it's probably a giant sloth or something, right.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a lot of that, unquestionably, and you
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: have to be very careful as a researcher. And in
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: the beginning, I when I when I this was years ago,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: when I first started out researching this stuff, I made
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: the mistake of of just taking that story literally and believing, oh, yeah,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: they were digging up bones of giants Santa Lena, until
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I realized that that is like one of the best
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: places in the world old to find megafauna bones. So
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: obviously you have to concede to the facts of reality
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: they're digging up megafona there. However, however, there are other
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: stories that come from the chronicles in Peru where there's
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: no way they're talking about megafauna. And these stories come
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: from the same chroniclers who from which we derive from
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: the same text from which we derive the history of
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: the conquest of Peru. The same guys, guys like Bernabe
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Cobo and Antonio la Klancha and Piedro Ciesa de Leon,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: all of the the famous chroniclers, and there's one case
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: in particular I find very intriguing. There's lots of them.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: By the way, when I was in I was I
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: lived in Peru for ten years at some point, and
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: then later on I went back to Peru and doing
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: various investigations. When I was looking into this, making documentaries
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: about giants, and when I was in Peru, I was
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: in Puno some years ago, probably back in twenty fifteen
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. I was in Puno and I met with
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: an archaeology just in Puno. His name was Edmundo de
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: la Vega, very well known archaeologist. And I asked him, Hey,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: are there any accounts of giants in the historical records here?
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, I think there's a couple of
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: accounts of giants, And I said, okay. He said, I
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: don't think there's many, but I think there's a couple. Okay. Well,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the next morning he comes walking into my hotel in
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: the lobby and he's got a big smile on his
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: face and he hands me a disc and he said,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I went after we talked, I went into the archives.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: They have access to the digital archives, and I did
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: a word search to try and see if I could
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: find some of these accounts of giants. He said, I
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: cannot believe how many references to giants there are in
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: the chronicles. And he handed me the disc and I
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: opened the files, and indeed there were many. Now some
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: of them were in reference to Santelena, but some of
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: them were much more remarkable. For example, give you one
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: example here there was a a Jesuit priest named Pablo
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Jose Ariaga who was going around Peru and he wrote
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: a book called the Extirpation of Idolatry in Peru. I
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: think it was sixteen oh two, and he's he's going
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: around Peru with the what are called which were called
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: the Bisitaloes, who were these were officials. There were clergymen
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: that were dispatched to Peru who were extirpating idolatry. These
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: were the They were very fair of these people, these
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: bc thalois, these official idolatry hunters, basically because they were brutal.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: And what they would do is they would go with
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: the priests into the villages. They would find out what
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: are the natives worshiping, and then they would destroy it
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: and then force convert the population. The population, and they
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: chronicled everything they they everything they found because they had to.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: This was an official assignment, right, so they chronicle everything
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: that they find. This village. They're going to this village,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: they're worshiping this. We broke it into pieces, or we
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: burned it in the fire. And these are official records.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: And among these records, and this is this comes from
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: as they said, Pablo Jose Ariaga, but also later on
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Antonio la Klancha, who is a Augustinian monk. It enlarges
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: the story. He expands on the story using other documents,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: including including Ariaga's version, and the story goes that Ariaga
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: and the Bisthales they went into the village and they
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: were led. They inquired what are what are you worshiping?
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Where are your gods? And the indigenous people of Peru
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: they they worshiped wakas. And the waka could be anything.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: It could be an idol, it could be a mountain,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: it could be a hill. It was just walk us.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Even to this day they call him walk us, and
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: so they inquired, where are you walk us? And they
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: led them to the other side of the village where
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: they're a large cave, and they go into the cave,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: and when they went in there, they record that there
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: were many dead gentiles, and among them were two giants
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: dressed in coombe and they were enshrined. Now that's very interesting.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Comby coombe is a very fine fabric. That is, it
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: was used exclusively by the Inco nobility. In fact, it
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: was illegal for anyone else to wear coombe. Only the
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Inco nobility could wear koombe. It's very fine fabric, so
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: it's very ceremonial and it belongs by law to the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: noble class. So these indigenous people they can't wear koombe.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: But yet they dressed these two and it said that
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: the bodies were well preserved, almost like mummified. They dressed
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: these two giants in coombe and they were enshrined in
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: this tomb. And so when they realized that they were
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: worshiping these giants, these dead giants, and the natives told
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: them that these were their ancestors, these were their progenitors.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: That's what they told the the bisites of idolatry. They
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: took the bodies out of the tomb and they burned
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: them in the village. Now that's very interesting to me
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: because you have two bodies, not just skeletal remains, bodies
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: of giants decayed with time, but still quite well preserved,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: dressed in kombe. This doesn't sound like a giant sloth
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: to me. This doesn't sound like a mastodon. This is
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: something else, and it corresponds to all the legends among
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: the natives there in Peru regarding the existence of giants
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: who were their progenitors. So those are just those are
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: some historical details, some historical counts that I find very intriguing.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Well, there's so many of them, that's what's we And
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: there's also this very bizarre desire that people have of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: destroying things from the past. Yeah, we find that with
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Taliban did that, you know, that's right.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: There's there's a bunch of different incredible archaeological sites that
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: were destroyed by past civilizations. We we just talked the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: other day about the Kylosa Temple in India about how
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: they tried to destroy that for a couple of years.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: They sent a thousand people, they could barely put a
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: dent in it.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Who was trying to destroy that? Oh?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Who was it, Jamie? Do you remember something?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Who?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: They came upon this temple that they didn't like that
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: someone else had built it, and someone else owned it,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: and someone else had constructed it. You know the Kylosa
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: temple that was built entirely out of stone.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the one that was built like literally carved into
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: the ground.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Into the side of the mountain. Yeah, Emperor say that,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: you could say, you're really good with work. What's his
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: name looks like to me? I've never heard. What's the
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: second one?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: R Rang? I don't know.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Arangzeb historical figure widely reported to have ordered the destruction
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: of the Kilossa Temple in sixteen eighty two. However, his
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: mission failed because the monolithic temple was carved top down
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: from a single solid volcanic rock. As army could only
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: disfigure some sculptures before giving up.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, this was in sixteen eighty two.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's just wild that people have always had
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: this inclination to destroy old, fascinating things.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, especially you find this what's really sad
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: as in Central America, among the Aztec, the Maya. There
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: were many codexes of the Aztec and the Maya that
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: were intentionally destroyed by the Catholic Church, by various agents
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: of the Catholic Church would intenentially destroy these codexes. Could
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: you imagine the information that was stored in those things?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Well, how about the Library of Alexandria. Yeah, and who
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: knows what was in there? Yeah, and they burnt that
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: several times. Ye, it's there's The historical accounts in North
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: America are interesting because there's actual newspaper stories from God
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: was it like I believe it's the eighteen hundreds? Do
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: do you know what I'm talking about?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are all kinds of newspaper stories about giants and.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: The newspaper stories about giant skeletons that have been discovered
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: and excavated.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, from the mid eighteen hundreds to the early nineteen hundreds.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: And somehow or another, they all relate to the Smithsonia.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: Most of them are associated with the mounds and the
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: mound builders. There were thousands of mounds east of the Mississippi.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, people don't realize how many of these mounds
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: there were. And these are you know, the monumental mounds
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: and earthworks. Some of them still stand today. Not all
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: of them are burial mounds. You have different kinds of mounds.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Some of them are effigy, some of them are platform mounds.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: But many of them are burial mounds. And many of
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: them contain contained very prosaic things like the bones of
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: native people. But some of them were said to have
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: contained some very very interesting artifacts, and among those artifacts
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: were the bones of giants, according to the newspaper reports.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Now there's a lot of them from the eighteen hundreds. Yeah,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I mean there's.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Ten feet high, eighteen seventy two.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, especially in the in the latter part of the
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: How tall was it, Jimmy, I mean, it's just it's
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: a giant over ten feet high, according to Lewis and
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Richard Collins History History of Kentucky.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Now, the contention is, of course, that that these are
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: wildly exaggerated, and that the newspapers were engaging in hyperbole.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: And that's true to some extent. I have no problem
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: with that. I think there's hoaxes.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: I've brought the same.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Some of them were hoaxes, A lot of hoaxes. Sure,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: some of them were hoaxes, and then and then you know,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: these are the periodicals in the United States at the time.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: We're very competitive.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: What is that photo? Is that bullshit? That far left photo?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Now, that far left one, that one was actually that's
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: a disputed one. Some people believe that one is, in fact,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: was proven a hoax. Other people think there might be
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: a conspiracy that, in fact it wasn't a hoax because
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: it was actually on display for a while. I don't know.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any way to know. But so
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: many articles during that time we're discussing these astounding discoveries
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: of the bones of giants and mounts. In fact, I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: don't know if you're aware, but even it appears that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: even Abraham Lincoln references this in some lecture notes. He
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: was waxing poetically in some lecture notes about Niagara Falls,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: and he says, in those notes you can still read
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: them today. You can put them up and read them now.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: He says, the eyes of that extinct species of giants
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: whose bones fill the mounds of America have gazed upon
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Niagara as ours do now. Those are from Lincoln's lecture notes.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: I believe it's eighteen forty five, the date of those.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, I got to read that.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Now here's the contention. Okay, this is interesting because here's
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: the contention. The contention is that he was talking about
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: mastadons and mammoths megafauna. That's what people say, because he
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: does mention Macedon and the mammoth later on in the lecture.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: In the speech, however, what they won't tell you is
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: before he mentions that he's talking, he's in a biblical context,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: and he's talking about He references Jesus and Moses and
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Adam right before he references the giants whose bones are
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: found in the mounds of America.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: See, so, the eyes of that species of extinct giants
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: whose bones filled the mounds of America have gazed upon
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Niagara as ours do now contemporary with the whole race
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: of men older than the first man. Niagara is strong
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: and fresh today as ten thousand years ago. The mammoth
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: and Macedon now so long dead that fragments of their
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: monstrous bones alone testify that they ever lived, have gazed upon,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: gazed on Niagara in that long, long time, never still
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: for a single moment, never dried, never froze, never slept,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: never rested. That seems like he's talking about mastadon.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: Very well, very well, could be talking about the thousands
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: of miles of water that they all would have seen.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Well, he could be talking about mastadons and mammos. But
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: look what he references before he gets to the giants,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Christ and Moses. Where's that and Adam?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: He says, there's still more. It calls up an indefinite pass.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: When Columbus first sought this continent, when Christ suffered on
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: the cross, and Moses led Israel through the Red Sea. Nay,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: even when Adam was made, and he's talking, you know,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Came from the hand of his maker. Now niagra was
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: roaring here the eyes of that species of extinct giants
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: whose bones filled the mounds of America. That's what's weird. Yeah,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: now bones filled the mounds of America.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: So here's the question. Did were the mounds of America
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: filled with the bones of macedons and in giant sloths?
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: And no, no, they weren't. Now there have been some
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: fragments of bones from mammoths and masadons found in the mounds,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: that's true. They were. They look to be ritual pieces
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: that people were buried with, that were used for ceremonial
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: purposes or something like that. Maybe some of them were
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: carved ornately, but like people weren't digging up the skeletons
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: of giant sloths and macedons and mammoths in the mounds routinely.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: That was it was very rare.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: But it seems like if you found dead giants in
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: the mounds that it would be more specific, you would
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: talk about it more than just that.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: The references is ambiguous, so to wonder is he talking
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: about dead giants in the biblical context, which he's clearly
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: in a Biblical context before he gets it, or is
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: he talking about macedons?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: And the issue is that there are giants in the.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Bible, and also that when he wrote, when he pinned
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: this these lecture notes, there were newspaper articles circulating in
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: the United States announcing the discovery of the bones of
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: giants in the mountains. So it's it's it's up for debate.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know the answer.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: There's got to be somebody who works at the Smithsonian
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: that is sick of this. Yeah, there's gotta be some
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: whistleblower that just take your fucking camera phone. Can't tell
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: there and filmed something.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: It just it seems like if there really are some
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: remnants of some of these things. And then the thing
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: that's interesting is, you know, what is the museum that
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: John Reeves has issue with?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: The National American History Museum.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: I know it's in Manhattan. I don't know.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: So my friend John Reeves, are you aware of him?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: He owns the Boneyard in Alaska, Okay? So this is
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: area of a lot. John's a miner and he museum
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: in natural history. So he's a miner and he bought
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: this land in Alaska and they're doing gold mining and
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: they're blasting into the permafrost with hoses, and they have
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: found an enormous amount of mammoths, cave bears, animals that
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: weren't even supposed to be living in Alaska at the time.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: So now they have to like reformulate their idea of
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: what the population of these lands were at this time.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: But also a layer of like dark carbon that indicates
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: there was some sort of an event. All of this
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: is sub ten thousand years ago, so he's finding I mean,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: he has warehouses. This is like, fully go to the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: bone Yard Instagram, please. He has warehouses of this stuff
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: that he's pulled out of the ground. He won't let
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: anyone take it because the Museum of Natural History has
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: some of this stuff from the previous owners. They have
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: tons of it, and they would not release it to him,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: even though it's his property. So this is I mean,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: he's finding enormous mastadon skeletons, mammoth tusks. I mean they
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: find tons of them, tons. I mean, he has warehouses.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: He built a scientific research facility there, and he's like,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: people can come here and study it, but I'm not
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: letting any post alone with there. Shout out to post
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: masted on teeth and bones. He actually gave me this,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: This is a mammoth tooth. That they take some of
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: these things and they carve artwork into him, which to me,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: the artwork is kind of fucked. It's kind of weird
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: that they do that because it's this is like a
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: petrified a molar.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Rather, Wow, that is really cool.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing. Yeah. So this is all from his property,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: So I mean.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Well, why why is there such a distribution of megafauna
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: bones there.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: His belief is that there was some sort of a
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: mass extinction event that happened whatever year it was. You know,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: that coincides with the younger Dry's impact theory, and he
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: and when and when he's had some of these things
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: tested and dated, they do their their posts. They're around
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: this time, and he thinks that there was some sort
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: of a mass extinction event and the flooding led them
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: all to be washed away into this one very particular
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: area because it's a deep concentration of these bones, too
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: many that seem to have died around the same time
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: and all preserved. So it seems like because they're preserved
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: in the permafrost, that this is something that happened, was
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: an enormous event. The bodies are washed down into this
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: one area, and because of the landscape, because of the
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: contours of the land, they're collected into this one area.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: And it's not a big place. I think it's four
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: to six acres that he's pulling most of these things
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: out of, and there's several other places that he's now
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: finding things in as well.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: You know, I find really fascinating are the specimens that
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: they find of mammoth and mastadon that are frozen solid
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: with chewing food.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with broken legs. Sometimes right where there's some sort
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: of an impact, some massive shock wave that kills them
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: all instantly.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and instantly freezes them. Yeah. And I think one
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: of the hypotheses that I've heard is that, you know,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: you had, referencing the Younger Driest impact event, you had
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: a potentially a comet or comets that were ripping through
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: the atmosphere at such high rates of speed that they
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: were pulling in the vacuum of space that sub zero
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: temperature air and like blasting it down on the Earth. Yes,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: and that that air was so cold it would instantly
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: freeze whatever was in its path. You know, it's these
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: comments are breaking through the atmosphere. I don't know if
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: that's true, but it's it's very difficult to explain how
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: you can how you can flash freeze something like that, right,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: And then in other parts of the Earth you have
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: apparent biomass burning. So you have you have mastodons over
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: here freezing right solid. You have other MegaFon over here
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: that were clearly swept up in a flood. You have
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: other MegaFon and other kinds of extinct plants and stuff
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: that I have evidence of burning, biomass burning. So it's
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: like some sort of absolutely unimaginable cataclysm. Yes, that that
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: struck planet Earth at some time circle eleven thousand BC.
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  Speaker 2: And it seems like there's a lot of physical evidence
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: in terms of iridium and soil samples. It seems it's
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: very common in space, very rare on Earth. Layers of
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: iridium and then the dark carbon layers of burnt material.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: It seems there was an incredible fire, so we were
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: probably hit by asteroids. They also find that nuclear glass,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: the same stuff that they found during the Trinity explosion.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: They find little particles of that everywhere. That seems to
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: indicate a huge impact that happened. And you know, this
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: is what Randall Carlson also believes. The same timeline was
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: what caused the melting of the ice layer over North
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: America and created the Great Lakes, caused the massive flooding
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: and the land features that you see from space if
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: you look down from satellite imagery, it clearly looks like
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: there was just immense amounts of water that washed over
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: the land.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, Randall talks a lot about the impact
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: of those comets on the ice sheets. The Laurentide ice sheet,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: for example, two miles thick. What happens when you slam
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: a comet into a two mile thick.
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  Speaker 2: Ice sheet, right the size of a city.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you superheat it. Then you have all the ejecta
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: coming off of it, uh huh and landing in forest
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: and igniting the forest.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: And of course, if you have advanced civilizations at the time,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: which I believe they did, you have a mass extinction event.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: Everything nothing left. A few people survive somewhere in the world,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: and it takes thousands of years for them to reinvent.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Civilization, especially the civilizations living on in the coastal areas
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: or the banks of rivers where a lot of civilizations are.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: They're gone, right, I mean they're gone.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: They're gone. And not only that, the level of the
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: ocean rises significantly, And that's all documented fact, historically accepted everyone,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: you know, geologists, archaeolois, everyone accepts that this is something
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: that happened. And then that the ice sheets in North
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: America were a mile two miles high. Three quarters of
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: the entire continent covered with ice. Recently in terms of
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: like the Earth, when you're going back eleven and twelve
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: thousand years ago, that's not a long time ago, and
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: this whole thing covered in ice. And then you also
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: have the almost instantaneous extinction of sixty five percent of
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: all North American megafauna, which is kind of crazy, kind
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: of crazy, like what caused that.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Which some anthropologists still maintained today, that that that that's
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: because the humans people kill them them into extinction. It's
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: absolutely absurd. With ads, it's absolutely absurd.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: Spears and add addles. I we don't even know if
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: they had bows and arrows yet.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Right, It's just it's clearly something catastrophic happened in the
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: in the relatively recent past. Yes, and this is as
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: I said, it's the same with giants. You know, you
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: have this ubiquitous testimony about giants. Well, concurrent with that,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: you have this ubiquitous testimony about cataclysm.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Have you seen the work that there's this Italian guy.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: I will send you the article, Jamie. There's this Italian
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: guy that is proposing that the I'll send it to
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: Jamie that there's a way of measuring the erosion on
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: the outside of the Peer Pyramids that he believes indicates
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: they are at least ten thousand years older than we
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: believe so far. I'll send this to you, Jamie. But
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: this is you know, obviously disputed ars older super controversial.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: At least he's talking about the erosion on the granite,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: and that there's by studying erosion and by studying the
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: timeline of erosion. And this is something that Ban van
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: kirkwork has talked about when you look at the older,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: non updated versions of some of the sites in Egypt,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: where it's clear that there was original stone and then
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: there was a stone that was built on top of that. Okay,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: here's the article. So the heading of the article, please,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: so it says, could the Great Pyramid be far older
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: than we thought? A new study says yes. And if
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: you go to it down there, what he's saying is,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: so this is from January of twenty twenty six, go
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: up a little bit right there, bigger. A paper release
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: to January twenty twenty six, Italian engineer Alberto Donini presents
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: an unconventional dating approach known as the relative erosion method,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: which she argues may challenge the long accepted chronology placed
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: in the construction of the Pyramid of Cufu around twenty
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: five hundred and sixty BC. According to Donini's calculations, erosion
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: patterns at the pyramid's base could suggest a construction date
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: tens of thousands of years earlier, potentially as far back
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: as the Late Paleolithic period. The claim, if substantiated, would
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: have far reaching implications for the history of ancient Egypt
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: and early civilization. Yet it also raises immediate questions about methodology, assumptions,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: and how such results could be interpreted within archaeological science. Well,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think archaeology is a science. I just I
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: think what archaeology is is they're looking at stuff and
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: they're guessing, and they're using science, and then they're also
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: they have timelines that they established that they're very reluctant
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: to let go of. And we've seen this with the
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: dating of go Beckley Tepe. We've seen this with the
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: erosion around the tempo of the Sphinx. They're very reluctant.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Well, simultaneously disregarding the ubiquitous testimony of our ancient antecedents
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: who say that their ancestors were far greater than them.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: Look at this right here. Other points yield far higher value.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: Several measurements suggest erosion equivalent to twenty thousand to more
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: than forty thousand years of exposure, while the arithmatic mean
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: of all twelve points produces a result of approximately twenty
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: four thousand, nine hundred years before present, corresponding to roughly
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: twenty two thousand, nine hundred BC. I mean, holy shit
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: if that's accurate. And then you have also Filipo Biondi's
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: work where they're looking at the radio toomography below the
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: pyramids and they have these structures that go one point
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: two kilometers down into the earth.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you see my uh? I did an interview
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: on I made an appearance on Pierce Morgan's show, and
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Piers had on howis Alas And I didn't know that
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: I was going to be interacting with Howiesa or sorry,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: Zahi was the other way around. I didn't know that
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: I was going to be interacting with him. I was
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: just told that they wanted me to come on and
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: talk about pyramids and stuff.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: But then Piers Pierce loves a good scramble. Yeah, he
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: loves he loves the squabble.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: So he set me up like, here's your opportunity to
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: say whatever you want. You know, it's me and Jimmy
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: Corsetti and some other people. Here's your opportunity to ask
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: Zahi whatever you want. And I'm thinking to myself, I don't,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: I don't really have anything to ask this guy. But
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: then it occurred to me, I actually have. Me and
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: my team are in possession of some state of the
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: art ground penetrating radar technology that we used to great
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: effect in Peru. And so I'm thinking about this discovery,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: this alleged these alleged mega structures under the pyramids, and
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, it wouldn't be that difficult. You
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: don't have to you don't have to detect them all
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: the way down. You just have to verify that there's
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: something there, right, And so I posited this to Zahi,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: and you know, I told them, look, I've got this equipment,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: would you facilitate us coming down there? And and and
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: it's it's it operates off of a drone platform, so
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: you don't you don't have to drag it. It's it's
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: a fly. You can fly it around the pyramid. You
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: don't have to touch the pyramid. You just fly it
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: or in the vicinity of the pyramids and see if
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: you can detect something. I mean, there's there's no there's
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: you know, you would do no injury to any sort
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: of any artifacts there. And he seemed like he was
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: very open to the idea, you know, on camera and
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: said that basically told peers, get your people in contact
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: with him so that, you know, give him my information
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: so I can reach out to him. Of course, that
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: never happened, so it would not be that difficult to
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: verify that. And that's why I'm wondering why you don't
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: have to dig.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Right, Why wouldn't you want as much exploration at the
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: most spectacular site that human beings have ever erected on
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: the face of the earth that has a very controversial timeline,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: that's right, I mean, even the conventional timeline super controversial
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: because like, how the fuck did they do it? Even
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: if you just accept that it's twenty five hundred BC Okay, great?
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: How I mean? I mean, I don't know why it
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: being older is more controversial because it's still the same,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: because the same it's human beings that lived a long
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: time ago, that's all we're talking about. But why are
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: they sticking to twenty five hundred PC's because that they've
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: always said that they know, They've always said with great
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: certainty and from a position of authority, that this is
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: what we know. We know Kufu did this. We know
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: this guy did this, but you don't really know. And
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: there's also incredible amount of evidence that these guys wrote
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: their name on everything when they were in power. They
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: like to put their names on everything.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Or recarve the head of the sphinx.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's definitely true. Yeah, it's definitely different. There's
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: some controversially about that as well, because there's layers of
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: stone that have different gradients, like different hardness, and there
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: are different types of stone and the face. The controversy
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: is that the face is like a harder stone and
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't erode as quickly. The problem with that is
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: like the stuff that's eroded for a long period in
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: history was covered in sand, and we know that for
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: a fact, so there was no erosion going on during
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: that period of time, but yet it's massively more eroded
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: than the face.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that one of the fundamental problems that
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: we have as as modern Westerners looking at this stuff
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: is we have an inversion of the timeline of history.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: When we look at the timeline of history, we generally
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: view our antecedents as like cavemen. Yeah, these are very
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: ignorant people. They're basically you know, chimpanzees with better brains,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: and as we progress through the timeline of history, were
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: becoming increasingly more intelligent, increasingly more capable of building and
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: of building these monuments and technology and so forth. So
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: we see ourselves as the pinnacle of the human species,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: like we're the smartest, we're the greatest. That's not the
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: way that the ancients viewed the antidiluvian world. That's not
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: the way that they viewed their antecedents. They see the
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: For them, it was the inverse. For them, they were
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: always trying to recover the glory of the people that
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: had come before them, the majesty of the civilization that
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: had come before them. So when they look back down
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: the timeline of history, they're the dummies. And the further
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: you go back, the more extraordinary people are.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: Because they were closer to it, right, And they all
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: have a myth of the flood.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: And the anti Colvian world.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: And they lived in a timeline that was closer to
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: that and more accepted because they probably had a knowledge
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: an understanding, at least the earliest ones that they didn't
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: make this and so they probably passed that down.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they I think they inherited traditions from their
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: ancestors about these things. You know, I mean, you have
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: this this idea of golden Age among the ancients, the
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: Golden Age meaning there was a time on Earth. The
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Greeks coined that particular phrase, the Golden Age the Egyptians,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: the ancient Egyptians called it Zeptepi the first time. There
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: was a time on Earth when the gods descended to
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: the earth and cohabited with human species and to some
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: extent commingled with the human species, and that it was
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: during this time that knowledge was transferred and that great
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: cities were built. This is cours This is where the
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: myth of Atlantis falls into this category. And then their
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: world was suddenly and catastrophically destroyed. And what we've been
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: doing since that destruction, in the mind of the agents,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: what they've been doing since that destruction was attempting to rebuild,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: to rediscover the lost knowledge from that age, to recover it,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: and to try and try and emulate their superior ancestors.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: That's what you see everywhere everywhere around the world. Doesn't
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: matter if you're in Egypt or if you're in Peru.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: You see the same sort of thing, the same thing applies,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: by the way, for the megaliths in Peru, I don't know.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: I have you been to Peru. Now some of the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: most astounding megaliths that you'll see anywhere in the world.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: I referenced earlier the walls of Saxie Woman, absolutely phenomenal
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: Cyclopian architecture. And of course the construction of those walls
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: is attributed to the Inca. So if you ask are
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: geologists in Peru who built Saksai Waman, who built Machipichu,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: who built o Jan Tai Tambo, It's always gonna be
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: the same answer, the Inca. The Inca built it. Now,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: the problem is there's no record of the Inca building
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: those walls. And if you ask the the the ancient
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: Ketchra people, if you ask the actually the Ketchu people,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: the Ketchra people who continue in their ancient traditions, the
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: ones who are there today, and they still wear their
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: their typical vestments, and and they still speak Ketchua. If
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: you talk to them and you ask them who built
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: the walls of Saxei Woman, specifically Soaksai Woman, they'll tell
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: you a race of giants. This goes back to those
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: you know, our progenitors the giants. The giants built Sosai woman.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: If you go up to if you go up to
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Titi Kaka, Lake teddy Kaka and you ask the Aimata
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: people who built Tijuanaku which is on the other side
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: of Lake titty Kaka and Bolivia, who built those megalithic edifices.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: The giants are progenitors, that's what they'll tell you. So
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily think that giants built all this stuff.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that at all. I just think
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: that there's everyone is acknowledging that that something extraordinary happened
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: in the past, that that the our antecedents were much
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: more impressive than we've given them credit for, I mean
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: our antidiluvian antecedents, and that that in many cases, like
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: you said, there's no inscriptions on megalithic stuff anywhere. You
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: go to Machu Machu Pichu, and it's a parent that
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: in Saksiwama, Machipicho, Gente Tambo and other places in Peru,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: it's a parent that the inca is certainly built on
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: top and they took advantage of these megalithic foundations, right
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: anyone would, I mean, if you're going to build an edifice,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: you would you would use the superior foundations here of
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: massive stones, and you'd build on top and you try
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: to you try to emulate that style of building because
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: it's anti seismic for one thing. So Machu Picchu, it's
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: evident to me, and I think anybody who walks walks
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: around that complex, you can see. And we have to
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: keep in mind that much of Manchu Pichu today is
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: a reconstruction. It's an archaeological reconstruction. Except for the foundations.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: We have pictures from Hiram Bingham, original pictures in black
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: and white of what Manchu Pichu looked like when he
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: discovered it accidentally. And what's there. The megalithic foundations are there.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: That's what's there, the megalithic foundations, and you see the
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: inca built on top of those foundations, and that's what
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of the archaeological reconstruction today reflects. So if
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: you walk around in Machu Picchu, I remember I've been
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: there several times filming and doing different things. And I
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: remember one time I was I was with my colleague
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: Ansel Peter Romblin. We had a guide with us and
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: he was an older gentleman, very very knowledgeable, and he
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: was one of their official guys at Manchu Pichu. And
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: we're walking around and he's telling us different things about
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: the Inca and how they did certain things. And certainly
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: the Inca built a lot up there, there's no question
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: about it. Inca were impressive. I'm not taking anything away
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: from the Inca. But if you look at some of
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: the edifices at Manchu Pichu, you can see these magnificent
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: megalithic foundations, big stones, polygonal fit together so tightly you
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: couldn't pass a butter knife between the joints. And then
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: you have on top. But sometimes people describe as Inca
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: slop on top, where it's like they kind of kind
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: of trying to match the style of below, but it's
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: it's not as precise, it's not as fine. And you
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: can see the clear delineation, clear delineation between the megalithic
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: and then what the Inca are doing, and then also
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: the archaeological reconstruction. And I remember asking this guide of ours,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: I pointed across the courtyard to some beautiful, this exquisite
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: polygonal fund foundational wall with just sort of crude INCA
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: stuff on top. And I said, why are there two
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: different styles here? Why do you see these large megalithic
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: blocks fit together so precisely and then you have this
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: other style, and you know, keeping in mind the archaeological reconstruction,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: but there wasn't enough of the site there that they
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: could model what they did based on what the Inca
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: had done. And he said, because they liked the way
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: it looked, that was the answer. They liked the way
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: it looked. And I said, you can't really believe that.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're not an idiot, right, They didn't do
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: that because they liked the way it looked. The reason
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: why there's an inferior mode of building on top of
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: those megalithic foundations is because they didn't know how to
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: do that. They did the best they could, and they
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: were very good, right, attempting to adopt the Cyclopean style.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: They were good the INCA. But the only reason you
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: would do that, the only reason you would put inferior
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: architecture on top of superior foundations, is because you don't
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: know how to do that. Yeah.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also the just the sheer size of these blocks.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: It just gives you so many questions because it's it's
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: not like you could recreate that with whatever the Inca had.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: That's what's confusing, in order to move those stones into
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: position and then put them and construct them in a
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: way that it appears like they've been melted into place. Yeah,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: you're You're like, how how are you moving them? How
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: are you placing them?
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: You should go to Johnta Tombo. Okay, So you go
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: to Johntae Tombo, which is in between Cusco and Machi Pichu.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: You have to go to a jontay Toama to get
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: on the train to go up to Manchi Picher. It's
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: the only way to get there. And oh, john tay
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Tambo has some of the most exquisite megalithic architecture on
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: planet Earth. It is so beautiful the way that they
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: were able to and it's it's large megal ethic blocks
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: and there's two different styles represented there. You have the
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: polygonal like at the walls of sex I Woman in Peru,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: and then you have the interlocking blocks like at Tiwanaku.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: Both of those styles are there. And there's this one
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: spot at john Tai Tamba that I love to take
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: people to because you're going up the stairs, and the
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: wall curves. As you're going up the stairs, the wall curves. Now,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: if you and I were building a wall today, even
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: if we were like the best, we were the best
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: masons in the world, and we're building a wall for
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know, for some billionaire in his house, we
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: would interlock the blocks in the corner like everyone does everywhere, right.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: Or if it's cement, you could take submit because it's
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: cement is pliable and you could make whatever shape you want.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: But if it's blocks, you're going to interlock the blocks
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: into that corner or do something like that. You know
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: what they did it on John Tai Tambo. They curved
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: the stone into the wall. They curved the stone, so they.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: Took the stones of that.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can pull up stones and they cut the
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: stone so that it curved into the corner. Who would
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: do that? That is so intricate, That is so.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: Difficult, and by what technology?
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: By what technology? But here's the interesting thing. You find
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: that same the same fingerprints of these builders all over
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: the world. You find the same thing. In in Egypt
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: they curved stone. Some of those stones are curved into
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: the corners and other places where there's megalithic instructions. I mean,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: these guys, there is a there is like a ubiquitous
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: knowledge of masonry in the world. The fingerprint is everywhere,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: everywhere you go. It's interesting because one of the things
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: I was trying to trying to to to convince this
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: this guide of ours at Machu Picha this one time
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: of voice. Look, here's a problem. You guys come over
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: to Machu Picchu. So, yeah, that's that sucks, I woman.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: Curve stone.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about a stone that's curved. See that
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: there where it says inca stonework. Uh yeah, socks I woman,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: they'll take it's a large stone. That one looks like
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: it's curved too in the wall. But that's not a
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: very large stone. Socks I woman will take a large
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: stone and they'll curve it into the wall. It's I
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: don't see socksye woman in any of those you have
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: to type, I'm sorry, not socks I woman. Oh john
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: tai tombo oh john ti tombo O l l A
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: n t O l l a n t a y
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: t a n b o O l l o l
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: l a n t a y t a y t
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: a m b o whoa, that's that's uh tombo. And
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for that curved.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: What is the nubs? What are the nubs?
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know, there's another fingerprint of this all architectures everywhere.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: No one really knows. I mean, there's a lot of
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: interesting theories out there, but I think at the end
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: of the day, nobody has any idea what the heck
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: those nubs are.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: Those things are so spectacular.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: Look at Look at the wall, Look at the Look
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: at the wall right there at Ojonte Tombo.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: That con exquisite that is that's nuts.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is just absolutely astonishing.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: And the weight, the weight of these things. Yeah, and
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: the fact that they're they're carved and placed in a
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: way that would absorb the energy of earthquakes.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, they're anti seismic. Yeah, they're anti seismic. That's why
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: they do it that way, which is now incredible technology.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: Think about this. Okay, so you are you are with
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: Francisco Pisarro. You're a conquistador in fifteen thirty three or
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: fifteen thirty two or fifteen thirty four, I can't remember
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: exactly when you landed, and you're walking through Peru and
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: you see this, you see this kind of architecture. As
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: you're conquering Peru, you overthrow the Inca and then you
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: go to build, which they did. They overthrew the Inca
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: capital city of Cusco. They go to build their cathedrals.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: They built lots of cathedrals and palaces for themselves. Right,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: so you have the Inca palaces and cathedrals. They took
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: the blocks from Saksiwaman, they took the upper layer of
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: blocks and they used them to build their cathedral. Okay,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: there's a couple cathedrals downtown Cusco that were built with
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: the blocks from saxe Woman. They didn't build it like that.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: They didn't build their cathedrals like that. They took those
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: blocks and they just put them together with mortar like
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: they do in Europe. So here's a question that I
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: always ask people who think that, you know, the Inca
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: were doing that. If you were an architect at that time,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: why in the world wouldn't you have forced the Inca
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: to teach you that style so that you could build
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: your cathedral. I mean, you would be the greatest architect
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: in the world, right you could build You could build
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: the most magnificent cathedrals in the world. In the Cyclopean
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: style if you understood how they did it. So if
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: the Inca were the ones who built it, why didn't
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: they force the Inca to teach them how to build this?
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: Just look at that. That is so crazy, that's really
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: sad down right.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: Well, those are in the process. That's so johnta Tombo.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: That's a temple of the sun at the summit.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: It looks the faces of it look so smooth.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: That's so John that's a JOHNI Tombo. And this was
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: in the process of being constructed at the top when
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: it halted. You can see the blocks there. Those blocks
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: that you're just looking at were some Yes, those blocks
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: are in the process of being transported, and they were
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: being they were being worked right there. They were being
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: prepped to be incorporated into the walls, and it just halted.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: And the conventional explanation is that it halted because the
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Spanish arrived, That's what halted the work. But but I
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: think what halted the work was cataclysm. Personally, I think
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: that's what halted the work. Something like a younger drives impact.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: Was that Jimmy.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: Right here, it looks like the face of the wall,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: you know, like it looks like it's all uniform and
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: fits together. Right, But if that right here.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: It's part of Yeah, there's filler in the backing, and
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, they have filler in the back ings
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: some of them, Yeah, some of them. The blocks are
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: it's just gigantic blocks. Others it's like the facade is exquisite.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: And like what we have here brick you know that
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: brick in the back of the background used to just
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: be brick at the other studio.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: Uh huh, kind of like that, right right, I know
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: what you're saying. Yeah, but except these are norms or yeah,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: I mean they're in places.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: There is a point of the guy standing There was
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: a picture of the guy standing in the corner. There's
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: a guy standing in the corner that I was referencing earlier.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: You just had there.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: It is right there that guy, No, the one below it.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can see the corner.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: Right there the middle.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: See the guy that THEO standing there?
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: There behind him, there's this You can see how the
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: stone below him it's curved into the corner. That's not
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: a separate stone, that's it's literally curved into that corner.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: It's it's just so wide bending.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: The knubs are weird. They are weird, and it's weird
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: that they occur all over the world. And it's like
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: it speaks almost to like, is that how they carried
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: them and placed them? Is that a part of the construction?
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: Is that something about how they made them that they
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: left these nubs? Like what is what are the nubs?
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: No one has any idea what the nubs are.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: That seems so weird that we have no answer to
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: a feature that occurs over and over again and all
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: this every regard all.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: Over the world.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: They keep showing these three those they kind of look
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: like the nubs, but they look way different than Yeah,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: they're a lot rougher.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: See those See those smaller pieces of stone there in
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: between the large blocks. That's an anti seismic property. That's
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: a technology that they use so that the rocks can
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: shift and move and not crumble. That's it's ingenious. And
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: like I said, you have two different styles here to
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Ghana Tamball. You have you have the polygonal and then
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: you have the the interlocking rectangular. Those are two different
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: styles in the same site. That's one of the things
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: that makes Johntay Tambo fascinate and that rectangular interlocking style
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: comes from Tiwanaku, which is another amazing megalithic site in Bolivia.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: What's interesting is when you combine all these sites all
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: over the world and you have all these questions that
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: are very similar, like how how did they do this?
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: Why is this stuff the oldest stuff? Why is this
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: stuff the bottom stuff? Why is the base of it
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: the most spectacular construction? And why does it seem like
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: more primitive stuff is on top.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: Of that because they like the way it looked.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's but it's the same question over and over again.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: And the reluctance to propose that perhaps the oldest stuff
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: is more complicated because the civilization was more complex.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: That's what they're unwilling to do. They're unwilling to open
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: up that door. But that door is the only door
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: that makes any sense.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: It's not only is the civilization complex, the knowledge was universal.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: That's a problem.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: That is a problem.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: The knowledge was universal, because that means you're.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: Talking about a seafaring, traveling civilization.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: You're talking about something that's a lot more impressive than cavemen.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Right, So, especially if this guy, this Italian guy, is
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: right in terms of his because twenty thousand BC, we're
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: supposed to be just brutes. Oh yeah, caveman wearing Yeah,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: we're wearing animal skins. We have spears.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: You're a chimpanzee with a bit of brain back then. Yeah,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: And as I said before, you know, you look at
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: that kind of architecture, and you and I were we
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: to encounter the Inca. Go back in time in the
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: late fifteen hundreds. The inc are still around. The builders,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: the alleged builders of these monuments. I mean, they were
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: building Ojiante Tombol right when you arrived. They quit building.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: Why did the Spanish architects not incorporate any of that
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: right into their buildings?
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: Why did they not learn the technique.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: That superior technology that's anti seismic. And the point is
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: illustrated because in Cusco they built their cathedrals, right, they
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: knocked down the palaces of the Inca and they raised
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: the cathedrals in in Cusco. And guess what happens. You
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: get a big earthquake. The cathedrals crumble to the ground
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: except for their megalithic foundations, which remain unmoved. Earthquake comes,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: cathedrals fall, the walls of Soxie woman stand and it's
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: happened various times throughout history. Who what architect would not
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: have taken advantage of that knowledge had it been available
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: to them during the time of the Inca. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: like I said, you could build the most magnificent cathedrals
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: on planet Earth, and you could make the Inca build
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: it for you. And now you can say that the
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: Inca refused, would have refused to pass this knowledge on? Okay? Maybe?
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: I mean there was a society within the Inca. You know,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: they were taught by the Grandes almaltas they called them,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: who were the great teachers of the Inca nobility and
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: the keepers of the secrets and so forth. Had the
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: Inca didn't even have written language, they used key pus,
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: key pus was it's a system of ropes and knots,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: of string and knots. They didn't even have written language.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: So absolute extraordinary, And there is nobody can give me
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: an adequate explanation as to why such amazing knowledge is
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: just forgotten. I mean, would we forget how to build computers? No,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: so why would we just forget how to build megaliths?
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: Why that's not something you forget these things don't fall
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: down in earthquakes. That's something you pass on carefully from
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: one generation to the next, unless, like our ancient antecedents,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: tell us, there was a cataclysm that rocked the earth
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: and eliminated the civilizations that were inhabiting the earth. That's
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: to me, that's the best explanation.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: Well, it's certainly the most logical explanation. If you weren't
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: attached to a timeline, if you didn't have this timeline
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: that these archaeologists insist upon, then you would say, Okay, clearly,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: we know that a cataclysm occurred. Clearly we know the
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: younger Drys impact theory is accepted, and especially.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: Now so becoming more so overtones, more.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: Likely, much more likely that there was something going on
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: that we don't totally understand tens of thousands of years ago.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think we would do very well
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: to listen to take serious the myths and legends.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also weird that like the Aztecs, Like I
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: used to think that the Aztecs created those temples and
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: those pyramids, and then I found out fairly recently that
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: they never even claimed to that. They say they found them,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: that these were the birthplace of the gods.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: See, that's what I was going to say about Machu Picchu.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: So mach you know the name of Machu Picchu is
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: not Machu Picchu. And catch what's e jumpu? And I
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: jumpu means the abode of the gods or the dwelling
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: of the gods. This is how they viewed the megaliths.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is how if we were primitive people
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: coming upon these megalithic structures, what would we think? The
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: gods must have done this? The gods lived here, and
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: so then we would rebuild, we would reinhabit the habitation
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: of the gods.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why would you live anywhere else? If you live there, right,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: and it would be the architecture you've ever imagined. Why
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: would you let some idiots take it over? You wouldn't
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: give me that that's mine?
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. You know there's alther the weirdness of Peru,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: like the Nazca lines, like what the what the hell
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: is all that about?
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. That's a great mystery.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of weirdness to Peru.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of weirdness.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: And how about those the ancient tapestries that show those
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: three fingered three toad big headed people with big eyes,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: and it's ubique it is, and these are a thousand
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: years old.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: Then you have the Paracous culture with those massive elongated
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: skulls right in the in the Procsus culture, by the way.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: You know, people see these elongated skulls online. I was.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: I've been in Procress a lot. They've done a lot
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: of research down there on the procss culture and other things,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: made some interesting discovers, by the way, with our drone
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: with our GPR unit. But you see these images online,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: you think that the Procus people, their skulls are so
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: large and elongated, you think these must have been big people, right,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: that's what it looks like. No, they were tiny. They
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: were really little. They were bizarre. They're more the morphology
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: of their body was different than ours.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: Do you pay with big heads?
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, the Procus people were very small, and they had
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: a proclivity to live in underground. They had subterranean dwellings
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: and their eye sockets of some of these elongated skulls,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: the eye sockets are like twenty five percent a larger
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: the orbital socket. So the big eyes, elongated skull very
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: diminutive people, in some cases living underground.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: But I've heard people have theories about Neanderthals that neanderthals
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: with larger eye sockets as well might have been able
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: to see at night, like the way deer can and
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: the way you know, other animals that are nocturnal can
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: see at night, that they have a different kind of
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: eye structure. Obviously we don't know what the eye structure was,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: but if you have a significantly larger eye socket and
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: get a significantly larger eyeball, it seems I mean, we
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: know that nocturnal vision exists and cats, and exists in
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: a bunch of different animals, but the idea of it
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: existing in primates, we've you know, we kind of dismissed that.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, a bigger eye gathers more light. Yeah,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: so it's a it's it's a nocturnal feature.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: Only we have no idea what the soft tissue structure
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: of their eyes was like.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: No, no, now, Granted for all the skeptics out there, yes,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: many of the elongated skulls in Peru another place around
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: the world are the result of cranial deformation. So yes,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: they were deforming their skulls with headboarding, cradle headboarding and
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: binding and so forth. There's evidence of that, and you
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: can see the evidence when you're there if you know
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: what you're looking for on the skulls. But I don't
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: believe that that explains all of the elongated skulls, not
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: just improve other parts of the world, but especially in Peru.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: There are some examples of elongated skulls that I mean,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: look like a look like a genetic alteration, is the
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: best way I can say. So, there's this, there's a
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: and you can pull this up, Jamie if you can
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: find it. There's a there's a mummy. I'm trying to
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: think of the name of the of the museum where
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: it's house. There's a I think it's the San Marcos
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: Museum in Lima. There's a mummy, the first mummy that
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: was discovered by Julio Tejo. Julio Teju or one of
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: the first, if not the first. Julio Tajo was the
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: imminent archaeologist that discovered the procress culture, and he's like
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: their greatest archaeologist in Peru. Was a phenomenal archaeologist and
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: he discovered all kinds of things about the process culture,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: and he dug up this mummy and it is. It
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: is the most bizarre mummy I've ever seen in my life.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: It has a massive, elongated skull.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: Massive, And we showed a few of those the other
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: day when Cassie Coppersmith was on. We showed a few
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: of these ones that don't have the sagital suture. Yeah,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: they're weird, like the just the actual structure of the
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: skulls different.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: But this one has the skin on it, except for
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: part of the face is gone, but it's got the
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: skin on it, so you can actually see what this
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: skull looked like with the skin on it. And then
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: the morphology of the body is just weird. I mean,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's in the museums if I recall the
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: Museum of sam Marcos and Lima. So these are how
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: tall are these things?
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: They were small. I mean we're talking four foot tall. Wow,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: these guys.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: Were little giant heads and four feet tall.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah they're little. Everyone thinks they were big. No, no, no,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: they were little, some of them. I mean I think
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: they were four and a half maybe average four to
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: four and a half feet tall. Somewhere in there. They
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: were very small, maybe from four to five feet tall.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: I don't remember, but they're significantly they're they're very small,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: they're diminutive people.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: I've never seen one with skin on it.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: That's not really That one's nuts.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: They're the one that Bryan Forster's looking at right there. Yeah,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: that right there is just absolutely bizarre when you look
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: at take a look at the Look at how tall
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: that forehead is on them. Their skin on there very
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: well preserved. And if you look around the back you
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: can't see it here in this image, but if you
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: look around the back side of it, the neck is
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: very bizarre sort of it's a curved that is so weird.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, imagine putting upon somebody here in Austin and
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: that has a skull like that, A few of them here.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Right and that I mean that does not look like
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: cranial deformation. That looks like a totally different kind.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: Of It's like a genetic anomaly.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: What is that one in the middle, Yeah, what of
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: that one?
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: Geez? Yeah, There's all kinds of very interesting specimens like that,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: And as you said, Peru's a very very strange place.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: The one on the far left is the craziest one
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: to make.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: That's a chungo skull. That one was discovered at the
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: Chungo's Necropolis.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: Like, what the hell is that? I mean, just the
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: volume of the brain is so much larger than a
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: human beings.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: That picture might be elongated. You know, someone might have
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: altered that picture. It is very impressive that one might
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: be elongated the picture.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, right, that's more like it.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: But the skull, these skulls, many of these skulls, that's
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: in the museum of Eca and the city of Ekan, Peru.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: That's absolutely insane.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: These skulls. The Chungo skull was taken from the Chungo's Necropolis.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: If you go over to the Chungo's Necropolis today, which
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: is on in the desert, you see these things sticking
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: on the ground and they got red here, auburn here.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: And we were over there with our with our crew
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: and there's a pyramid there, but it's it's an adobe
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: pyramid and it's called the the Chungles Pyramid. And nobody
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: really goes to this area because it's sort off the
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: beaten path. It's not not well known. We were actually
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: working in an area further down the road because at
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: the time we were looking for a treasure. We were
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: filming a like a for like a TV show looking
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: for treasure, and there was this there's this pond that
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: has a very interesting UFO story attached to it further
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: up the road, and so we were working up there.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: But every day when we drive by the pyramid, the
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: Chungo's Pyramid, and it's an Adobe pyramid, so it's not
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: super impressive. It's made of large adobe blocks. But it
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: was a large urban center. It was some people think
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: it was the capital of the Procus culture. Very large
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: urban center, and it was a necropolis. There's tons of
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: of remains and the the elongated skull some of these
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: procous people, the nobility, for sure, they were buried in
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: burial bundles and they're in the fetal position. And these
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: burial bundles are are they're usually layers of fabric and
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: there's various items in there, and they're just under the
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: surface of the sand. They're right there. And you get
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of grave robbers walkeatos who go in there
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: and and you know, steal all kinds of artifacts and stuff.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: But we're driving by. I looked at the pyramid and
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: I thought I had this intuition, there's there's a there's
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: there's a tunnel under that pyramid. There's a there's there's
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: a tunnel system under that pair. I don't why, I
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: just had this intuition. So we decided to go over
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: there one day and fly our our GP drone around
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: the pyramid, and we did. We did an extensive run
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: around that pyramid. We did like a cross configuration with
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: the drone to make sure that we get a good reading,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: and we found two massive artificial tunnels under the pyramid
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: that intersect one hundred feet below that pyramid. Matt. You
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: could drive a semi truck through them, and we don't
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: know how far they go, but they go, and we
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: actually spend some time trying to find a way into them.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: We couldn't. We ran out of time. But it's it's
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: remarkable because Julio Tejo remarks in his writing about the
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: Procus culture that the Paracus people seem to have a
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: affinity for living under the ground. They had subterranean dwellings.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: And I've explored some of these subterranean dwellings out in
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: the out in the Procress Reserve and they're really cool
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: because they you'll see like these these hills, they look
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: like they look like long houses that are built that
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: are that are buried in the ground. So you see
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: like this, this this elongated hill, and really what it
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: is is it's whale bones. They use like the vertebrae
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: of whale, so you got whalebones and then they would
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: pack on top all kinds of the would pack on earth.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: But then they would also add in organic material and
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: it would create like an insulating effect and heat the interior.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: But they were subterraneans, so what you see are the
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: roofs of the of the dwellings. And then they went
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: down into the ground and there were tunnels and there's
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: all kind of stuff. This is where these weird people
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: with the elongated skulls were living. It's just absolutely bad
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: and it's absolutely bizarre.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: How old are these mummies?
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: I think the process culture, oh Jesus, goes back maybe
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: to I don't remember, to hundred BC or something like that.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. Maybe not that far back. I really
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: don't remember. There there that's that can't be accurate. I
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: think it goes back to definitely to the first century
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: a D. I don't remember. Off process, what happened?
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: Where do those people go?
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: That's that's the question. I mean the the I think
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: that the prevailing theory is that they became the Nasca people,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: but they didn't go anywhere. That that essentially the Nasca
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: people were the Procus people like they enter bred. Know
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: that the culture just sort of migrated and became the
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: Nasca people.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: So what happened to those genetic features.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: That well, there are some among the no Osca, but
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: not as much as among the Procus. Others think that
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: the Parracus they just disappeared, like they were either exterminated
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: or there's you know, there's multiple theories, but there's no
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: question that they were bizarre, bizarre, and of course.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: There's physical evidence of this, Like we're talking about the
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: mummies before excuse me though, the giants before, and you
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: know it's just stories. This is actual physical evidence.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: Mean, the longest skulls, yes, oh yeah, they're everywhere down
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: there now. Granted, as I said before, many of them
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: are the results many of them are the result of
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: cranial deformation.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: But what about these motherfuckers?
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know, not all elongate.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, how do you elongate that you get
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: a balloon in someone's head.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: I've seen some really big heart shaped heads.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: That is simple meeting that guy, just.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: All compared to someone's I've seen, like some of the
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: ones I've seen like look like a heart, really big,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: And that's actually that particular skull was was exceptionally large
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: when I saw that, look like a heart. Yeah, so
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: just keep in mind, yes, cranial deformation is.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: It says that these two in the front left frower
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: from the bill of bait. And now I don't know
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: what the hell that means.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: Bill of bait. That's what the pictures. What does that mean?
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: Do you know what that means?
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: No, skulls from the front are from the bill of bait.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: That're paly sized bill bit. I don't know.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: Look at that one on the left in the middle,
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: those are nuts. That is just imagine meeting that cat.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: And here's the other question besides of his eyes, here's
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: the other question, the why behind the head right, And
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: this is all as you know all the world. It's
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: they do it in Africa, they do all the Native Americans,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: the Flathead tribe up in Montana. They're called the flathead
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: because they would cradle board. They're young, and they get
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: these flat they would have these very distinct skulls. So
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: why are the cultures doing they're emulating something. Who or
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: what are they emulating? That's the question. And of course
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: you have in ancient Egypt you have you know, figures
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: with elongated skulls like never Tidy and her daughters who
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: are depicted with very pronounced elongated skulls. Now, is that
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: the Is that just the result of cradle head headboarding? Probably?
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know, But why do that?
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: Well, the problem is some of these skulls have actual
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: larger volume than the human skins.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: That's true, some of them do.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: That's that's where it gets really work. That's true, even
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: more volume, which is like, okay, yet brain is nuts?
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: There's a slight explanation for what we were just looking up,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: and that was what is the I kind of to
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: do with male and female?
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: So it says bio bilobait, that thing that you were
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: talking about, tubular erect was the most common among both sexes.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: Bilobait skulls are observed at a much higher rate than
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: female skulls. This association with sex has evidence in some
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: parakas ceramics, where men and women are depicted with distinkly
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: tubular erect or bile bait heads. Respectively, and then it
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: even goes into this, so the biobait is then the
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: heart shaped fucking weird.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: It is weird, it is extremely weird. And then of
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: course you have those, you know, the alleged alien mummies
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: down there.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think about those, because there's a
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: lot of people now that are saying that those are
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: elaborate hoaxes.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: I went down to Peru. I was invited to go
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: down there by doctor Rogers Zunaga or Professor Rogers Junya.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: Get you go down and look at the specimens that
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: they have the Eco Museum. They have four specimens at
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: the Eco Museum. The most impressive specimen that they have
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: there's called Maria, and Maria's in the fetal position. She's
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: a large one of the larger mummies. Then they have
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: a few other ones. They have two of the of
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: the the small ones, the ones that Haim Masan famously
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: you know, revealed over there in Mexico during that thing
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: that he did over there, that press thing. And and
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: then you have one that's called Waweita, which seems to
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: be like some kind of a combination of different things.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: And so I went down there to the university and uh,
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: walked up to these things and and at first I
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: have to say my first impression of Maria, I didn't
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: really care about the little ones. I never believe that
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: the little.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: Ones look squirrely.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I never believe that they are living organic beings.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: They're very rigid.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very rigid.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think that, you know, like their morphology really
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: could have worked in the real world like that, Monsat
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: and Maria and there a bunch of them. Those are
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: very compelling when you when you're standing excellent looking at them.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: They were compelling. So I looked at the mummies, and
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: then I interviewed Rogers Zunigan and he's very, very convinced
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: that they're one. Sincerely, I mean, I like Professor Zunyiga,
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: and he really is convinced. I don't think he's not
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: trying to perpetrate some kind of a hoax. Neither is
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: anybody at the University of Eca. There's a good faith
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: effort going on there to try and investigate this and
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: and continually do testing. And it's an open field. There.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: Have they done genetic testing?
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've done all kind of testing. So what find
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: here's the problem. There's been a lot of testing done,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: but I don't think the interpretation of the data has
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: been confident, and so initially I was pretty impressed. I
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: thought it was more likely than not. I even said
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: this on that Michael Noles show that it was more
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: likely than not in my mind that the larger mummies
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: like Maria were real. But I've since reversed that position.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's more likely than not that all of
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: them are a hoax. That's my personal opinion. And this
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: is a hot topic, you know, like an X and stuff.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who are absolutely, sincerely convinced
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: that these things are real. The problem is that this
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: entire thing started with a with a grave robber, a
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: very shady individual, and the very first mummies that were
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: brought forward were hoaxes, were fake. That's how it started.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: And you know, this is a whole it's a whole
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: saga we don't have to get into. But it started
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: with fakes. It started with a hoax, and then they,
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: you know, then allegedly they started to produce the real ones.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: And I just have a hard time believing that that
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: this is an elaborate hoax. Now I've talked to some
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: of the individuals who've who've done some of the scientific
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: work on these They don't want me to mention their
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: names or anything. They're trying to just sort of stay neutral.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: They don't want the press, and they they also doubt
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: that they're they're real. They think they're really really elaborate hoaxes.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: And I know that a lot of money has exchanged
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: hands in regard to these things. Maria was up for
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: sale from a million dollars at one point, and I mean,
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: if you're approving Grave Robber, a million dollars is like
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: a billion dollars. I mean, so that's to me, that's.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: Uh, can we see what the Maria one looks like.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: That's not that casts a lot of shade on the
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: whole thing for me. Now, I can't say scientifically the
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: DNA data of this that the other. But there's a
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: lot of debate going back and forth on this thing.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the problems is anatomists experts
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: in anatomy have looked at the structure of the feet
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: in the hands and they it doesn't seem to jive
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: with what they understand about the structure of feet.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: That's true that.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: The bones are not in the proper position they're not
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: the proper size. They don't. It doesn't look like it
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: makes sense. But damn, that's amazing. Like, here's the thing.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: If it is a hoax, like what an amazing job
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: they did?
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe the greatest hoax ever perpetrated in the
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: history of archaeology.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: Like who did it? And like what what talent this
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: person has?
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 3: It's a new note because this website was the Triactyls
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 3: dot org.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: It got up.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 3: It is a little note that popped up and says
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: they have ongoing research that just got updated.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: This is a great website.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: What is the ongoing research? Might be Mario?
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mario, they call them Mario.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: Now to dude, maybe he's not binary.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: A bunch more data down here. I don't know what
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 3: all this stuff is interesting data.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: That's a great resource there.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: So it's Tridactyls dot org. Go to the images of
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: it again, go down like right there. So this, uh okay,
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: this is a three D scan.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 3: These are all scans. These are videos of the scans.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: Fucking weird man. Look at the length also of the
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: fingers and the toes. But you think that's a hoax?
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: H People say they wouldn't work there you know, I
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: would you say, Jamie.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 3: People said that like the you can't grab stuff. There's
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 3: pictures down here they have a people trying to where
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: was it trying to grab stuff with? I might've been
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: looking at different Yeah, I was looking at this. These
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 3: are the fingers that you couldn't bend. They wouldn't bend
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: or something like that. It's hard to like this person
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 3: trying to grab stuff with long fingers without bendable you know, uh, appendages.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: I guess, well, we're assuming that they had to grab things.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 3: Oh what would you have fingers for?
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe they put them on a spaceship. That's how
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: they pilot it. Maybe they've gone past the idea of
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: picking things up. Maybe they lift things with their mind.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's how they move the blocks into place.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm more convinced than that that they're there.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: Are I don't I can't say definitively.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would lean in that direction because I want
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: them to be real and the problem. But also, however,
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: it did hoax them, like monstrat whoever hoaxed that? Like,
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: what an amazing job you guys did. And also there's
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: some of them that have weird implants in their heads.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: Meddle implants, Yeah, that want. A couple of them have
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: them in the hand, others have them in the forehead.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: Very weird.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: Some of them have fetuses apparently, although that's there's some
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: dispute about that. They say the fetuses look like you
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: know that they look the same as the adults, which
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: would be remarkable if true. But that's disputed. Everything's disputed, right,
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: there's I mean, there's there's there's there's a factional battle
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: here between the believers and the naysayers, right, and they're
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: both looking at the same data, interpreting interpreting it differently.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: So that's why I just sort of stand back and say,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I can tell you how
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: it started. It started with grave robbers, very very seedy people,
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: and it started the initial ones were not real. I
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: know that because I know the individuals who were involved
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: in that whole thing. So just that alone, yeah, just
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: that alone.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: But then how did they make the skin, how did
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: they cover it, how did they make it look like
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: or not?
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: They're really good? Yeah, I mean, you know, if you
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: were selling these things for hundreds of thous if you
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: were making one hundred thousand dollars, just one hundred thousand
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: dollars on one of these mummies. And you're a poor
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: grave robber. You would do anything, take whatever time whatever
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: it took to produce one of these, to sell it
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: to make one hundred thousand dollars.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: But how did they age them? Like, and they're really old.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: They harvest the pieces from the graves, okay, from the noscare.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: Construct this somehow from really old skeletons beasted together.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: That's the allegation, and also from old lamas and stuff
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the other weird things about these elongated
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: heads is that they have where it connects to the
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: spine is in a different position than a human skull.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, there is some indication of that. That's why I
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: was pointing out on that the one that with the
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: skin on it, there is a very interesting morphology with it,
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: with it the neck work connects into the spinal cord.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: Now I'm not an expert on anatomy. I don't know.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: All I can look at it and say is that's
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: freaking weird. Immediately, Really it is weird, and all I
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: and and I mean I always just remind people just
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: you can argue about all the data all day long.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: But if one of those people walked into this room
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: right now, it wouldn't just be a little weird, right
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: it would be it would be utterly bizarre.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And an actual real human mummy or whatever it
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: is mummy, if that was alive today, it would freak
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 2: you out.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: Larger orbital sockets, very small, extremely elongated head, yeah, and
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: freak you out.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: It just makes you wonder, like, what was the world
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: like back then? What what were these people like? Was
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: there separate branch of the human species?
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I'm pretty sure now I'm
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: recalling the date twenty twenty five hundred BC. Somewhere around
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: there is where the Prockets culture goes back to, and
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: then it I think it existed until seven hundred ADM.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that those numbers are accurate, but that's
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: what I remember. Yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: in Peru.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of weird stuff and just ancient history
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: in particular. What do you make of things like zep
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: Tepe and the Sumerian Kings List, where you go back
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: in time and you have these incredible ages of some
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: of these rulers that ruled for thousands of years.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: Well, what's interests really interesting is that if you overlay
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: the Sumerian kings list with the list of patriarchs pre
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: flood patriarchs in Genesis five, it's like a one to
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: one match. So I'm not convinced that I think that
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: the Sumerian kings list is the ages mythological. I don't
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: think that they were ruling for thousands and thousands of years.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: I like I said, I see this very interesting overlay
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: over the Genesis six genealogy. These are the patriarchs from
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: Adam de Noah, and specifically, I mean, these are the
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: patriarchs who live before the flood. The flood came in
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: the time of Noah. And you know, there's a lot
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: of debate right now, especially online, and I think you've
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: had people here on your show as well that talk
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: about the Sumerian story being the oldest story and being
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 1: our sort of the the original story of the flood
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: and of the Antiediluvian world. But I actually I have
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: a different view of that. I think actually the oldest
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: story is the story of Enoch. It is the Anachian story.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: I think that's the original story. And maybe some of
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: this strangeness. Maybe some of the bizarre things that we see,
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: and the stories of the flood and of the giants
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: and all of that may be something like the Book
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: of Enoch is a is a actually inaccurate account of
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: affairs of things that happen in the antidiluvian world. And
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: certainly the writers of the Biblical narrative believe that, I
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: mean the writer of Genesis, and then obviously in the
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: New Testament you have references to to what I call
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: the Nachian tale. And so when you think about this,
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: the antidiluvian world, the cataclysm that destroyed it seemingly overnight,
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: the great civilizations that existed back then, you see a
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: you see a series of parallels. And all the stories,
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: all the ancient stories, whether it be the the Sumerians,
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: whether it be the the ancient Egyptians, the Hebrews, the Greeks,
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: the Romans, there are parallels in certain details. Great civilizations
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: in habit of the earth, or at least a great
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: civilization that doesn't necessarily mean that they had the kind
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: of technology that we have today. I think that's a
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: mistake that some people make when they're thinking about the
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: Antiluvie world and lost civilization. They think, well, that means
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: that there were scar scrapers and automobiles and aircraft and
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: things like that. That's not necessarily what it means. And
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: so I think it's very very interesting that you have
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: all of these parallels a cataclysm, giants, you have a
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: fratricidal war that's discussed, for example, and you have the
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: Vedas and some of the ancient Indian origin stories. And
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: another component that you find everywhere is this idea that
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: the gods descended to the earth, commingled with human species,
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: progenerated a race of demigods in many accounts of giants
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: who then govern the earth, and depending on what version
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: of the story you're reading, they were either good guys
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: or bad guys leading up to the cataclysm that destroyed
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: everything you know in the biblical account the Great Flood,
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: and other accounts record various kinds of cataclysm right all
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: over the world. So the question is, I think an
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: intriguing question, is is it true? I mean, are these
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: basic constituents of these stories? Is it true? And I
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: happen to believe that. I happen to believe that the
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: Book of Enoch is the beginning of the Book of Enoch.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: The oldest portion of the Book of Noc, called the
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: Book of the Watchers, is the earliest account of the
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: Antiediluvian world. And I don't mean necessarily the Book of
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: Enoch that we have today. I mean the tradition of Enoch.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: Was there a manuscript that Enoch wrote himself? Enoch was
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: the seventh from Adam, So he's one of those individuals
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: on the Sumerian kings list. I believe he corresponds to
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: and den Moronkey. I can't remember how to pronounce the
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: name and the Sumerian name. But again, you have this
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: overlay with the pre flood patriarchs. You have all of
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: these details that correspond. Now we have evidence of cataclysm.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: We're finding evidence of cataclysm, right, We talked about the
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: younger dry impact hypothesis. So are some of the other
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: details true as well? Or they're giants? Were there beings
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: who descended to the earth in the anti Aluvian world?
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: Did they copulate with human women? I mean, that's that's
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: essentially the story of Enoch. Enoch begins with this is
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: first Enoch. Enoch begins with a company of two hundred watchers,
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: these beings that are designated as watchers, and they are
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: they're heavenly beings. And the watcher designate is not exclusively
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: extra biblical. You find it in the Book of Daniel
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: and a very interesting scene in which holy watchers are
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: judging Nebukaneza, the Babylonian king, and they sentenced him to
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: a period of time of madness where he's given the
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: mind of a beast and he's eating grass, and this
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: is a judgment from the watchers. He's eating grass like
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: an animal, and his hair grows long, and he's basically
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: like a beast out in the field. The haughty king
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: of Babylon humbled in that way. And so the watcher
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: designation is you find it in Daniel, but then in
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: the Book of Enoch it's much more specific. These are
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: two hundred of these watchers. These are non human, celestial entities.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: You could describe them as extraterrestrial entities. And they they
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: begin to lust after the daughters of men, and they
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: desire to progenerate family. They want to have families.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: Do you think that this is a simplification of genetic
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: engineering and that this depiction of it is just, you know,
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: like the game of telephone. You're telling the old story
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: through oral tradition for a long period of time as
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: it gets relayed over time post flood, so you get
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: this sort of distorted version of what the actual event was.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: I think it's possible there was genetic engineering involved.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: Because we certainly look different than everything else on the planet.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: Well, the Book of Enoch, that the at least the
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: Hebrew account both in the Book of Genesis, because there's
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: a verse Genesis six that says now came to pass
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: that when men began to multiply in the face of
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: were beautiful, and they took wives of all whom they chose.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: There were giants or nepheline in the earth in those days,
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: and also afterward, when the sons of God came into
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: the daughters of men and they bore children to them,
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: these were the mighty men of old, the men of renowned.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: That's the reference to the origin of giants and nepheline
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: in the Book of Genesis. And so in the Bible
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: you have these angelic beings, the sons of God, who
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: are lusting. They're looking down at the daughters of men,
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: they see that they're beautiful. The Book of Enoch is
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: even more explicit. The Book of Enoch says that the
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: angels of the Watchers lusted after the daughters of men,
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: and they desired to progenerate families. So they descended. They
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: descended to the earth on the summit of Mount Hermon,
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: and they bound themselves by a pact of mutual imprecations.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: In other words, we're all in this together. They knew
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: what they were about to do is going to be
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: very grave sin, so they bind themselves with an oath.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: That's why Mount Hermon has been known since time immemorial
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: as the Mountain of Oath. Then they descended into the plains,
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: and they began to choose wives from among the daughters
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: of men with whom to copulate. But first these were
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: maidens that they intended to marry. And there was a
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: transaction that happened because in exchange for the for the
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: maidens hands in marriage, their fathers were given technology. So
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: the watchers taught men the knowledge that they were already
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: striving to learn. So there's and that's that's that's implied
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 1: in the text. It's not explicit, but it's implied because
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: the watchers give technology, and they give knowledge which results
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: in technology, and they get in exchange the maidens that
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: they desired to marry, and then they copulate with them,
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: they have sexual intercourse with them. The women conceive and
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: give birth to giants, and then these giants begin to
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: terrorize the earth. Maybe they're cannibalistic, they begin to devour men.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: So maybe a hybrid sort of like a liger. You
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: know how a liger is a combination of a tiger
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: and a lion that's much.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: Larger, large, Yeah, but they can't reproduce. Yeah, So the
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: result is you have these watchers. Yeah, their DNA mixed
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: with the DNA of human women produces giants. And and
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: you know, this story, by the way, is attested in
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: the Dead Sea Scrolls, not just in the Bible, not
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: just in the Book of n A, the Book of Enoch,
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: of course, fragments of it were discovered among the Dead
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: Sea scrolls. But you find you find this story in
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: for example, you find it in the Book of Giants,
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: the Book of Jubilees, the Genesis, Apocryphon, and other texts
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: as well. And so this is this story, as bizarre
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 1: as it is is foundational to Hebrew cosmology. This is
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: what the ancient Hebrews believed literally happened, like this was
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: a his in their minds, this was a historical event.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: You go back in time, you go into the antidiluvian world,
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 1: the world before the flood. What are they envisioned. They
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: envisioned the watchers, these gods living among men, copulating with
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: human women, giants who were who were cannibalistic. And then
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: God decides intervene because the giants are there's a very
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: bad scene on planet Earth and people begin to cry
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: out petition heaven. God decides to intervene, according to Enoch,
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: and he dispatches some angels and they one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that they do is they set the giants against
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: each other in a fratricidal war. So they make the
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: giants go to war with each other. Now, when I
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: envision this scenario, playing with the idea here that this
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 1: actually happened right in the antidiluvian world, I don't imagine
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 1: big dumb giants, you know, bopping each other over the
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: heads with clubs. I imagine a technological war because what
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 1: I see unfolding here, and I think, again, this is
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: implicit in The Anachian story is that the Watchers are
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: essentially creating a dynasty. They are building an empire called
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: the Empire of the Gods in the antidiluvian world. They
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: are each portioning the earth among themselves, and their hybrids
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: are ruling each of these kingdoms. And then they go
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: to war with each other. And again I see this
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 1: as a technological war, because I don't believe that in
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: the Biblical account, angels never have wings. Only in prophetic iconography,
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: but in the historical narrative of the Bible, angels are
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: never depicted with wings. They are depicted as operating what
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 1: I would describe as advanced aerospace vehicles, the charots of God,
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: the charchs of Yahweh, the charots of Fire, variously denominated.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: And I think that these are vehicles of conveyance. And
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: so the Watchers when they descended to the Earth, I
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: think they descended to the earth in some kind of
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: a vehicle, you know, like that, right, So they would
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: have the knowledge and there would be some technology. And
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: so when these when they're offspring, the giants went to
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: war with each other in this fratricidal war, it would
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: have been a technological war. Now the reason why I
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 1: say that is because you have the story of the
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: Watchers as chronicled in the Book of Enoch, but then
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 1: overlay the story of Atlantis. You have the same story.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 1: So of course the story of Atlantis comes to us
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: from Plato's to Meis and Critius dialogue, and he has
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: a solon of Athens traveling to Egypt and interfacing with
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: the priests' sise and they tell him, you know, you
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: don't have any history that's hoary with age and so forth,
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: and then they begin to relate to him the story
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 1: of Atlantis, because they told him that his ancestors were
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: remarkable people. They were the Athenians, and only they could
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 1: resist the warlike Atlanteans. Right, and then we get the
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: story of Atlantis. How does the story of Atlantis begin
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: in Plato's dialogue, Well, it begins with the gods apportioning
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 1: the earth amongst themselves. That's how it begins. So here
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: are the gods dividing, divving up the earth. They're going
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: to create what I again describe as an empire of
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 1: the gods, divving up the earth, and each one is
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 1: going to take a portion of the earth for himself,
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: Poseidon Plato tells us gets the area of Atlantis, and
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: what does Poseidon do Well? He becomes enamored of a
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: human woman named Clato, he takes her to wife, he
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: copulates with her. She gives birth to ten hybrid sons
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: who become the kings of Atlantis. And I think there's
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: reasona believe that they were giants in the myths. Atlas,
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: for example, was chief among them. So you have these
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: ten hybrid sons ruling over Atlantis. Then what happens then
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: you have and presumably the other gods did the same
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: thing in other parts of the world. Right, They went
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: out and married human women and gave birth to hybrid offspring,
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: which is of course what happens in Greek mythology of
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of these gods. They progenerate hybrid offspring. Then
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: you have a war that breaks out. The Atlanteans become
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 1: very warlike. They go on a campaign and they're steamrolling
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 1: everybody in their way until they get to the Athenians
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 1: and they are locked in this conflict. So I'm hoping
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 1: people are picking up the parallels here with the Book
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 1: of Enoch, with this story of Noch, and in the
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: midst of this conflict, what happens, cataclysm ensues Atlantis, but
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: not just Atlantis Atlantis, and the insinuation is everybody gets
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 1: destroyed in a cataclysm that erupts suddenly, and Atlantis is
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: consumed in the waves and is no more well. The
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 1: whole point of the Egyptians when they're telling this story
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 1: to sol On, one of the points that they're trying
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: to convey to Solon is there have been cataclysms, world
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 1: ending cataclysms, and every time a cataclysm happens, we have
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: to start over like children. Right. So the parallels between
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: the Book of Enoch and I think it, by the
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: way I think Atlantis, that Atlantis is an allegory of
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: the Antidiluvian world in general. I think that there was
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: something like an empire of the gods in the Antidiluvian world.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 1: And I personally believe that that the Biblical record is
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: the faithful account of what happened in the anti delivering world.
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: And with the addition of the Book of Enoch, because
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: you cannot separate, you cannot separate the Enochian narrative the
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 1: Anachic traditions from the Bible.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 2: Well, Enoch is referenced in the Bible and The only
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: reason why the Book of Enoch is not in the
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: Canada the Bible is because of some rabbis.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: Right, well, it's complicated. So the Book of Enoch is
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 1: a compilation of texts and from the fourth century BC
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: to probably the first century AD. The tradition of Enoch,
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 1: I think is very old. I think the tradition of
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: Enoch that that story I just outlined, that tradition of
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: Enoch is the oldest story we have, the one upon
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: which all the other stories are based. That's my personal opinion. Now,
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 1: the actual Book of Enoch that we have today, the
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 1: only reason we have it is because it was preserved
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 1: in Ethiopia. That's the only reason we have the Book
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 1: of Enoch today, the Bible. The Ethiopian's preserved it both
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 1: the the Beta Israel Jews, very very ancient Jewish community
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 1: and the tawa Haito Orthodox Christians.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 2: Do you think they have the arc of the Covenant?
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: I think, let's put it this way. I think Graham
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 1: Hancock makes a very compelling case that they do. Have
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: you read his book Signed in the Seal.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: The whole depiction of these people that are the watchers
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 2: of this thing. It cataracts because it has some radiation properties,
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 2: compelling narrative. Yeah, none of them live more than a
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: couple of years after they get the assignment.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think it's a very strong possibility that
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: they do. That's crazy, it would be crazy.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: And I think that many people, including Graham, think that
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: the Ark of the Covenant was there's something technological about it,
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 1: something radioactive about it, but it is. It's interesting though,
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: because you have the idea, at the very least, the
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 1: potential for technology in the antidiluvian world, right, advanced technology.
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: So what do I mean? Well, what if we're talking
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: about the watchers who descended the earth? Like I said,
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 1: the Hebrews believe that that actually happened, that was historical,
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 1: That wasn't mythological to them, that was historical, that event. Well,
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 1: what if they did it arrive in something like that,
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 1: like a like a flying saucer? Right, what if there
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: was some level of technology introduced. But I don't believe
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 1: that it would have been distributed, broadly distributed, you know,
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 1: talking about like an advanced loss civilization. I don't think
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: that technology would be broadly distributed. I think that the
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 1: technology would remain in these family lines in these dynasties
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 1: because their desire was to govern everyone. So I think
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 1: what we might be looking for instead of a technologically
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: advanced civilization, maybe a technologically advanced fraternity within civilization. You
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 1: see what I mean, like a group that was in
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: control of something advanced, but the rest of the people
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 1: maybe were Iron age or something like that or whatever,
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 1: Bronze age level, which is kind of a different perspective.
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 2: Well, we see that today, right, I mean, there's plenty
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 2: of people today that are uncontacted tribes that are living
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: like people live tens of thousands of years ago.
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 2: So it's not uniform even today.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 1: Right, So we may so I think that's why when
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 1: we think about was there a technologically advanced civilization in
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 1: the anti delving world, in the world before the Great Cataclysm?
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 1: I think, really what we're looking for. What I'm looking
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: for is a fraternity who were in possession of technology
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 1: that the rest of everyone didn't have. Maybe something like that.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: Although I will say that I believe that the Antilovians
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: were much more remarkable than we are in every way.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: I think they were physically more robust than we are.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 1: I think that they were intellectually much more. They were
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 1: intellectually superior to us. As I was saying before, this
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 1: is how the ancients thought are their antecedents. And so
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 1: when I look back on the timeline of history, the
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: further you go back all the way to those pre
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 1: flood patriarchs, you're looking at human beings who who were
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 1: so superior to us. I mean, certainly according to the
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 1: biblical account, they were living much much longer, almost a
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 1: thousand years. You're looking at human beings who we would
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: scarcely be regarded as as human like them, because they
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 1: would have been more human than we are, because we've degenerated.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 1: So I see a deja generation. I see a devolution
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 1: in the human species. We started as something really really remarkable,
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 1: and we've been gradually devolving over time, so to speak,
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: we've been degenerating. I think that our antecedents are Antideluvian antecedents.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 1: I think they were telepathic. I think that they had
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 1: these incredible abilities, capabilities that are perhaps latent in the
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 1: human species today. Well that might have.
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 2: Been why of these people had such large heads in Peru.
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe everybody had elongated skulls at one time. I
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 1: don't know, but I mean think about that though. I mean,
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 1: if you were see from a biblical perspective, Adam was
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: created for two fundamental reasons. He was created to govern
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 1: the earth, but more than that, he was created to
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 1: fellowship with the Maker, to commune with the Maker. He
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 1: was created for fellowship. So think about that. If you
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 1: were created to fellowship with the Maker, with God, you
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 1: would have some extraordinary capabilities built into your anatomy, into
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 1: your biology. You would be given the ability to interface
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: with the Maker, and not just with the Maker, but
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 1: with whatever else is out there as well. So from
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 1: the very beginning, I think that mankind was imbued. Was
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 1: it was intrinsic in our design that we had all
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 1: of these these incredible capabilities, maybe remote viewing, maybe certainly
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 1: I would say telepathy, because telepathy is conversation with to's
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 1: be a thought, right. I mean, we fumble around with words.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 1: We takes us kind of a long time to try
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 1: and say what we mean. But what if what you
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 1: wanted to convey to me was done so instantaneously? How
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 1: much more could you convey, how much more information? How
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 1: much more efficient would that mode of conversation be?
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 2: Well, it certainly seems like if we keep evolving, that's
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 2: the future, or if we keep developing better and better
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: versions of technology. One of the things that the gaps
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 2: we would bridge is Elon said that they said, we're
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 2: going to be able to talk without words.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: Well, the problem is that our technology is getting better,
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 1: but our species is getting.
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 2: Dumb, and our biology is getting weak, is getting and
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 2: we're poison weak.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 1: But it's not just because of poison. Yes, we poison
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 1: our environment, we poison our bodies, certainly, but I believe
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 1: that there's it's clear to me that there that we
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 1: have degenerating and we are degenerating. We are degenerating. So
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 1: and this is genetic degeneration. So we have what's called
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 1: mutational load. Human beings, all creatures, we have mutational load.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 1: And mutational load is all of the deleterious mutations, all
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 1: of the negative mutations that happen in our genome. They
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 1: compile and it becomes this, it becomes this burden, this
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 1: gene burden. We have all of these mutations that we're
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 1: carrying mutational load. And the further we go down the line,
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 1: the more mutational load we have. And again these are
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 1: deleterious mutations. So you get all kinds of problems from that.
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, we basically what it amounts to is we
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 1: become less and less and less impressive over time, and
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do. You can't reverse that. You
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 1: can't just have a good diet and get and regain
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 1: the capabilities that we're lost. That's impossible. So we're declining,
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 1: our technology is ascending, we're declining. So what we're headed
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 1: for essentially is a posthuman future, a future in which
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 1: we have to we have to evolve ourselves out of
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 1: this condition. I would say, out of Adam into something else.
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 1: And I'm not in favor of that, by the way,
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not a transhumanist, but clearly this you have this
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 1: conundrum where we are are clearly getting dumber as a species.
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. I mean, I saw I
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 1: can't reference it here, but I saw some data on
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 1: this the other day and it's astounding. It's kind of alarming.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 1: And not only that we've realized and I try to
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 1: remember the reference to this book that's that details this,
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 1: but the human species is essentially becoming reproductively and viable.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 1: The sperm count of males in the West is declining, precipitously,
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 1: as is our fitness. So that is on the decline
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 1: such that I think the projection is in twenty forty
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 1: five or something like that, we're going to basically be
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: reproductively and viable. We're going to need a technological intervention
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 1: like artificial wombs. Well, what's happening right now, we're developing
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 1: things like artificial wombs. So it's very interesting that these
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 1: two things are running in parallel. We're degenerating, but our
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 1: technology is increasingly getting better. So the result of this
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 1: is going to be what I describe as a post
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 1: human apocalypse. I mean, we're headed for a future that's
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 1: not human. That's what you've all Noah Harari, who's out
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: there prognosticating that, I think he says in one hundred
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 1: and twenty to one hundred and thirty years from now,
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 1: there will be no more human beings left on planet Earth.
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 1: So why am I saying this Because I'm illustrating that
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 1: you go back in time, go all the way back
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 1: to the beginning. If you come from a biblical paradigm,
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 1: like you're the first man, Adam, the prototypical man. He
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 1: has all of the incredible capabilities that are innate built
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 1: into his system. He's communing with his maker, he's governing
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 1: the earth. He can do all of these amazing things.
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 1: And then as we become copies of copies of copies
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 1: of copies of copies of Adam all the way down,
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 1: we're gradually losing these abilities. But I think that some
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 1: of them are still latent in the human species. And
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 1: I think that explained remote viewing and telepathy and things
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: like that. I don't know how I got on that listen.
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense, and it's a fascinating conversation.
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 2: And I enjoyed this very much. Thank you very much
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 2: for being here, Thanks for having tell everybody if they
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 2: want to get ahold of your stuff, they want to
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 2: find you, where they could find you on social media,
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 2: where they can find your website.
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: Timothy Alberino on social media, on Instagram, on x I
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 1: have a YouTube channel, Timothy Alberino. So I have a
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 1: book called Birthright, and I also published commentary on commentary
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 1: and introduction of the Book of Enoch with my friends.
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have to get to that. That's a whole
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 1: other conversation. I'm We're going to have to have that conversation.
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 2: I would love to I would love to thank you
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 2: very much, everybody