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  Speaker 1: Is the gold reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, Andrew Hasey on the campaign that's forced the government
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  Speaker 2: to send him protection.
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  Speaker 1: A Labor minister smears Sir Robert Menzies.
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  Speaker 2: As Hitler a peaser, what a shameful stunt, and Julia
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  Speaker 2: Gillard says it's not her fault that a law that
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  Speaker 2: she passed lets a man sue for being discriminated against.
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  Speaker 1: As a woman.
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  Speaker 2: At first, I want to tell you tonight about some
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  Speaker 2: people you won't be seeing on the show this evening.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you behind the scenes to explain why they're
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  Speaker 2: not here and what that says about One Nation.
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  Speaker 1: Now, today I woke.
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  Speaker 2: Up and read this, you know, very big new poll
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  Speaker 2: showing that One Nation is now the most popular party
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  Speaker 2: even in Australia's reddest state, Victoria, of all places.
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  Speaker 1: And this of course is huge.
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  Speaker 2: This Redbridge pole shows One Nation on twenty seven percent,
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  Speaker 2: just the head of Labor and the Coalition both on
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  Speaker 2: twenty six So, you know, huge day for a party
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  Speaker 2: that is exactly one person in Parliament and in the
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  Speaker 2: Upper House at that Ricky Lee tyrrel And it's got
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  Speaker 2: just one candidate that's yet publicly been named and listed
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  Speaker 2: on its online candidate page. Darren hrkis a small businessman,
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  Speaker 2: so already you know this one nation poll lead is
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  Speaker 2: already strange. I mean, voters are backing a party that
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  Speaker 2: with one exception essentially as no politicians, no candidates, and
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  Speaker 2: no policies now here, and there is an exception to that,
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  Speaker 2: but you know that's basically the picture. So here with
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  Speaker 2: this poll was a great opportunity for one Nation of
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  Speaker 2: Victoria's show what they're made of, to advertise themselves.
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  Speaker 1: So talk about them.
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  Speaker 2: And I asked it's one politician, Ricky Leutrel to come on.
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  Speaker 2: I was told, sorry, she still has the flu, and
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  Speaker 2: you know that can happen sympathies. So I invited the
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  Speaker 2: party's one official state president, Warren Pickering, to come on,
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  Speaker 2: in said, and he asked to talk about what could
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  Speaker 2: he first know what I wanted to discuss? So I said, well, look,
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  Speaker 2: you know that's why one nation is so popular, why
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  Speaker 2: labor is not? And when will one nation announce its candidates?
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  Speaker 2: I mean these aren't mastermind questions, right, But Pickering studied
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  Speaker 2: them and took fright and told me, as much as
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to start garnering more media attention for One
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  Speaker 2: Nation to Victoria. I don't feel I can add much
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  Speaker 2: value to the topics mentioned. He can't add much value
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  Speaker 2: in explaining why One Nation is doing good and add
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  Speaker 2: much value in explaining why labor is bad. So I
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  Speaker 2: got to ask why you would vote for his part
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  Speaker 2: if he can't add much value to that debate anyway,
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  Speaker 2: So I asked One Nation's only listed candidate if he'd
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  Speaker 2: come on, and he consulted with Head office and came
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  Speaker 2: back with this. Unfortunately, I'll have to decline an interview
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  Speaker 2: at this stage as we are not currently campaigning.
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  Speaker 1: Currently not campaigning. The state election is now less than
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  Speaker 1: five months away now.
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  Speaker 2: I even sent a text to Adam Charles Is, the
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  Speaker 2: former Chief Minister of the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I like you.
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  Speaker 2: He got on very well, and One Nation has been
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  Speaker 2: trying to persuade him to be as Victorian leader who
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  Speaker 2: saw me before is thinking about it. All those reportedly
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  Speaker 2: told other senses not sorry, he told me today, bit
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  Speaker 2: busy talk. Soon now I mentioned that to let you
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  Speaker 2: know that I did tray everyone who's anyone in One
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  Speaker 2: Nation to Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: And none had anything they could add.
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  Speaker 2: They even checked with James Ashby as One Nation's strengalia
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  Speaker 2: up in paul In Hansen's office in case I was
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  Speaker 2: asking the wrong people.
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  Speaker 1: So what does this tell us?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it says that One Nation, at least in Victoria
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  Speaker 2: is a ghost party. I missed the idea with absolutely
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  Speaker 2: no substance. You smoke clouds. It's a party of no
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  Speaker 2: people and no policies and no profile. Yet it's the
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  Speaker 2: most popular one in Victoria. Figure that out now, isn't
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  Speaker 2: this the example of the drover's dog?
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  Speaker 1: Who could win? But how weird this is?
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  Speaker 2: You know, an even dangerous who and what are a
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  Speaker 2: quarter of Victoria's planning to vote for?
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  Speaker 1: They could end up with almost anyone and anything.
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  Speaker 2: Now, of course that does also mean it's a great
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  Speaker 2: opportunity sign up now for ambitious people want to get
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  Speaker 2: into politics the quick and easy way. And no surprise
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  Speaker 2: that at least twelve hundred people have registered their interest
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  Speaker 2: with One Nation to stand for election. One Nation is
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  Speaker 2: now going through this list very very carefully. They've been
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  Speaker 2: burnt before.
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  Speaker 1: They want to.
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  Speaker 2: Weed out the nutters and the main chances and people
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  Speaker 2: who had trouble on two legs.
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  Speaker 1: And there I have to admit this delay has been
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  Speaker 1: useful for one, look at the polls.
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  Speaker 2: I've got all this polls by doing what they're doing now,
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  Speaker 2: which is nothing but the delay. It's already meant that
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  Speaker 2: one nation is now dead against taking on someone. They
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  Speaker 2: had thought that already agreed to sign up Liberal MP
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  Speaker 2: More Deeming. They thought they had name on the dotted line,
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  Speaker 2: but she then backed off, stuck with the Liberals, but
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  Speaker 2: now looks like finally being kicked out of the Liberal
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  Speaker 2: Party tomorrow by the party straight. It's that executive and
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  Speaker 2: good because she falsely claim that fellow Liberal MP Matthew
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  Speaker 2: Guy put.
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  Speaker 1: Her in a headlock. She even reported him to.
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  Speaker 2: Police when the video of their talk at a noisy
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  Speaker 2: dinner dance shows Guy only briefly placing his hand on
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  Speaker 2: her shoulder as they struggle to hear each other, and
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  Speaker 2: leaned in, well, Moira, if you are now after a
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  Speaker 2: new political home, as you probably would have to be
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  Speaker 2: if you want to stay in politics, if you're looking
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  Speaker 2: for that home with one nation.
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  Speaker 1: You can forget it.
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen has, courtesy of this delay, now said a
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  Speaker 2: flat no to ever accepting Deeming, saying this incident with
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  Speaker 2: the headlock so called shows a lack of loyalty and honesty,
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  Speaker 2: and she's not welcome any time.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: It's true that I have heard that one nation has
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  Speaker 2: meanwhile found some impressive candidates. I know of a couple
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  Speaker 2: that I can't yet reveal, and they are impressive. Yet
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  Speaker 2: five months out from the Victorian election, where are its
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  Speaker 2: candidates there?
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  Speaker 1: Well, there is There is not.
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  Speaker 2: A party but a vibe, a ghost, maybe just a
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  Speaker 2: pig and a poke. And to repeat, it is still
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  Speaker 2: the most popular party now in Victoria. What a democracy now.
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  Speaker 2: The Liberals nationally as well have been really torn about
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  Speaker 2: how to tackle one nation. Some have thought that they
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  Speaker 2: should abuse Pauline Hansen as a racist, which is a
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  Speaker 2: big mistake. Don't do that again, angus. Her supporters are
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  Speaker 2: sick of such smear as you see. They know they're
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  Speaker 2: just lies to shut them up, you know, from complaining
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  Speaker 2: about the mass immigration, multicultural and identity politics that's riving
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  Speaker 2: us apart. They know that the elite don't have answers
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  Speaker 2: to all that, so they just shout raised as it's
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  Speaker 2: just a give.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Others in the Liberals say, well, let's make a deal
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  Speaker 2: with one nation, maybe even divide up the seats. So
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  Speaker 2: the liberals contest these ones, which happen to be the
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  Speaker 2: ones that the people after this scheme happen to have
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  Speaker 2: will do these. We'll contest these seats, say these liberals
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  Speaker 2: and one nation, they can contest those like there were partners.
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  Speaker 2: Which is just another mistake, of course. But most liberals
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  Speaker 2: that would rather ignore one nation or dismiss it even
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  Speaker 2: when one nation is eating them.
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  Speaker 1: Alive, they're not. They're not fighters.
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  Speaker 2: One Liberal front bencher, though, is fighting one nation, but
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  Speaker 2: it is for his very survival, and on a matter
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  Speaker 2: of grave principle. That is Andrew Hasty, who said he
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  Speaker 2: won't bend the need to one nation it shall have war.
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  Speaker 2: There is some very personal business behind this, of course.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's not making a mistake of yelling racist, there's
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  Speaker 2: something else. Hasty is a former Essays captain who served
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  Speaker 2: in Afghanistan and one Nation is now singly out for
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  Speaker 2: being among half a dozen former soldiers has testified against
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  Speaker 2: war hero Ben Robert Smith when he suits for defamation
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  Speaker 2: after journalists accused him of war crimes in Afghanistan, the
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  Speaker 2: killing of unarmed prisoners and not in the heat of battle. Now,
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  Speaker 2: when I say, you know one nation is singling him out.
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  Speaker 2: That's how it seems. They deny it. There they say
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  Speaker 2: they're just backing Robert Smith, which I do think is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And they are saying that they're going for Hasty and
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  Speaker 2: his seat. Yes, but only as part of a wider
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  Speaker 2: campaign to win every seat of the country. Whatever however
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  Speaker 2: you interpret that, I have to say, Peanut Patriots not
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  Speaker 2: to my knowledge linked to One Nation. This is their
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  Speaker 2: own effort. Peanut Patriots. So meanwhile bombarded Hasty with threats
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  Speaker 2: so serious that he has been given extra protection of
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  Speaker 2: his home and family. And the reason I think this
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  Speaker 2: crusading is Hasty the wider crusade so sinister is that
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  Speaker 2: I consider this, whether it's deliberate or not, an intimidation
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  Speaker 2: of a potential witness in the Robert Smith war crimes
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  Speaker 2: trial and a warning to other soldiers considering giving evidence.
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  Speaker 2: I talked to Andrew Hasty a short while ago. Andrew Hasty,
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: First.
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  Speaker 2: One Nation is now the most popular party in Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: But I couldn't find a single One Nation spokesman in
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  Speaker 2: Victoria who is able or brave enough to say why
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  Speaker 2: at this stage. Really, it's essentially a ghost party with
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  Speaker 2: no politicians, no candidates, no policies.
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  Speaker 3: What does that say, good, Evening Andrew, I think it
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  Speaker 3: says there's something wrong there. Politics is about having a message.
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  Speaker 3: It's about having people, policies and logistics. One Nation has
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  Speaker 3: a strong message that's resonating with the Australian people, and
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  Speaker 3: they also have a growing logistics base. But people is
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  Speaker 3: really critical as well as policies. And if people can't
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  Speaker 3: even run up and talk about what their plans are
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  Speaker 3: for the state of Victoria, I think that tells people
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  Speaker 3: that exactly right. This is something of a ghost party
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  Speaker 3: at the moment, writing the wave of popular sentiment.
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  Speaker 2: It's a ghost party, though why is it so popular
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  Speaker 2: compared to the Liberals and Labor?
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  Speaker 3: I think Australians are legitimately grieved about the state of
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  Speaker 3: our country. They're upset about years of mass immigration, about
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  Speaker 3: rising energy costs because of net zero, They're upset about
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  Speaker 3: declining living standards, and they're also seeing a less socially
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  Speaker 3: cohesive country. These are all legitimate issues and people want
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  Speaker 3: solutions to them and One Nation has successfully made a
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  Speaker 3: case for that. Now we are responding to those issues
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  Speaker 3: as the Liberal Party. We're going to end net zero,
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  Speaker 3: We're going to cut immigration, we have a plan for
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  Speaker 3: the economy, but of course getting the message out is important.
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  Speaker 3: That's something that we're working on.
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  Speaker 2: These attacks on you personally by One Nation, what's happening there?
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  Speaker 1: What's all that about? Do you think.
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  Speaker 3: It's a really good question. I think there is something
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  Speaker 3: orchestrated online in the background. I think there's money behind it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know about the source of that money, but
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  Speaker 3: certainly it's an area of reform, I think, because we
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  Speaker 3: have transparency with political parties, but there are actors online
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  Speaker 3: who are advocating political causes and we know nothing about
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  Speaker 3: who is funding them and why. I knew this was
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  Speaker 3: coming though. I had a call from a senior One
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  Speaker 3: Nation official who I won't name for legal reasons in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of April, who effectively told me that this
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  Speaker 3: was going to happen, and it was in response to
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  Speaker 3: some of the campaigning in Pharah. And sure enough, a
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  Speaker 3: deluge of personal attacks followed online. So this wasn't a
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  Speaker 3: surprise to me. But there are consequences to this.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get into those in a second. You I think
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  Speaker 2: probably do know or suspect strongly the money source of
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  Speaker 2: this campaign. I probably do too. How much of it
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  Speaker 2: is do you think associated with what you giving evidence
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  Speaker 2: against Ben Roberts Smith in his unsuccessful defamation case against
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  Speaker 2: the nine newspapers.
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  Speaker 3: I think the first thing to note there is that
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  Speaker 3: I was one of almost thirty SAS soldiers who were
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  Speaker 3: subpoenaed to give evidence to the Federal Court. And people
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  Speaker 3: who have taken issue with me on that, I say
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  Speaker 3: to them, well, do you want me to be in
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  Speaker 3: contempt at the Federal court and do you want me
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  Speaker 3: to lie? I'll do neither, and so I gave evidence
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  Speaker 3: under oath as was expected of me, and I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we have rule of law in this country
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  Speaker 3: for a very good reason. I think what's really concerning, though,
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  Speaker 3: is that there were reports earlier this week that a
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  Speaker 3: lot of these one nation associated pages are actually originating
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  Speaker 3: out of Indonesia. Now I'm not saying that they're Indonesians
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  Speaker 3: behind those pages, but only recently the AZIO Director General
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  Speaker 3: at his annual Threat Assessment mentioned state actors conducting psychological
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  Speaker 3: operations online to divide countries, and this is something that
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  Speaker 3: we need to think about. I want to be very clear, though,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not talking about one nation voters who have legitimate concerns.
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  Speaker 3: They are voting or intending to vote for one nation
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  Speaker 3: for legitimate reasons, but there are nefarious activities in the background.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know who is running them, but I think
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  Speaker 3: it definitely deserves attention, and people should be very, very
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  Speaker 3: critical and judicious of the information that they receive online.
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  Speaker 1: And I might just say again what I've mentioned a
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  Speaker 1: number of times in print and on air, your evidence
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  Speaker 1: was not even highly consequential. You were a corroborative.
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  Speaker 2: You gave corroborative evidence, evidence from Ben Roberts Smith's own
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  Speaker 2: fellow soldiers in the field. Is really what hurt me
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  Speaker 2: in that deformation in case. Now, obviously the criminal charges
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  Speaker 2: will be decided under a higher burden of proof, and
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  Speaker 2: he says he is innocent, so we shall see what
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  Speaker 2: happens there.
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  Speaker 3: But that's right, what makes and really I was just
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  Speaker 3: going to add that I was cross examined. I was
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  Speaker 3: cross examined for two days in the box, not by nine,
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  Speaker 3: So my evidence, as you as you said, is very small.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not central to this, but I'm public, unlike everyone
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  Speaker 3: else who was anonymized for the case, which is why
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  Speaker 3: I think people have fixated on it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think there's another reason, Andrew, and I'll say
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  Speaker 2: why I think this has been so damn sinister, and
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  Speaker 2: why I really think people should stand up and reject
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  Speaker 2: what's going on and stand by you.
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  Speaker 1: Is this. I think it is.
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  Speaker 2: In effect, if not deliberate, to intimidate you, but more
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  Speaker 2: more importantly, to intimidate other soldiers. Thinking of giving evidence
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  Speaker 2: in the criminal case is an intimidation of witnesses, and
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  Speaker 2: it's got to stop. I think it's disgusting. Is that
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  Speaker 2: how you see it?
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 3: I believe in the rule of law. I believe in
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  Speaker 3: a fair trial, and Ben Robert Smith deserves a fair trial,
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  Speaker 3: which means that no one should be trying to influence
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  Speaker 3: or pervert the course of justice.
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  Speaker 1: What effect is how all this had in your family?
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  Speaker 3: Well, my wife Ruth understands what's happening, and obviously I
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  Speaker 3: spend a lot of time away from my wife and
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  Speaker 3: my three young children. They're obviously not on social media,
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  Speaker 3: and we've reduced our presence on social media for obvious reasons.
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  Speaker 3: But I think the one good thing about our country
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  Speaker 3: is that our politics has always been nonviolent. We haven't
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  Speaker 3: had to have security around our politicians and It's very
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  Speaker 3: sinister what has happened, and I'm grateful that the Home
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  Speaker 3: Affairs Minister Tony I don't agree with on a lot,
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  Speaker 3: but he understands that security is important and that's why
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  Speaker 3: I was concerned when he called me up and said
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  Speaker 3: that I've been identified for additional security measures at my
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  Speaker 3: family home and also at my office for my staff.
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  Speaker 2: Well good, I'm Tony Burke for that commas. Nicky Sava
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  Speaker 2: today wrote something curious in the Sydney Morning Herald. After
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  Speaker 2: it seems talking to you that you were set to
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  Speaker 2: abandon the Liberal Party for demanding you in this case,
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  Speaker 2: then that doesn't seem right to me.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, where would you even go? But what is
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  Speaker 1: the truth of this?
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  Speaker 3: I intend to run for the seat of Canning at
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  Speaker 3: the next election. I intend to contest the seat for
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  Speaker 3: the Liberal Party. I'm very proud to be a member
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  Speaker 3: of the Liberal Party. We have eighty two years of
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  Speaker 3: political tradition, a great party founder by Robert Menzies. But
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  Speaker 3: I do think the deeper logic here is that those
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  Speaker 3: who are suggesting that somehow we should just hand over
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  Speaker 3: the keys to one nation, or that we would enter
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  Speaker 3: into a formal coalition with one nation. I think that
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  Speaker 3: is it's wrong, and I'm not sure i'd be welcome
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  Speaker 3: in such party anyhow, I'm firmly in the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 3: That's where I want to form the next government, the
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  Speaker 3: next center right government, and that's where I'll be contesting
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  Speaker 3: who I'll be contesting.
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  Speaker 2: With Now, as you have noted in the past, we
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  Speaker 2: are threatened by the Chinese military superpower. Now, how could
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  Speaker 2: we defend ourselves against that? So, as a former soldier
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  Speaker 2: and a defender of Ukraine, you, I'm sure would have
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  Speaker 2: been fascinated Andrew Aci by an astonishing study by the
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  Speaker 2: Center for Strategic and International Studies just come out saying
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  Speaker 2: Ukraine has managed now to kill four hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: thousand Russian soldiers, an incredible amount. That's from the army
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  Speaker 2: that invaded Ukraine four years ago. And Ukraine is now
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  Speaker 2: killing or wounding eight Russian soldiers for every one Ukrainian.
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  Speaker 2: What should Australia's Defense Force learn from Ukraine, which is
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  Speaker 2: a country that is now mauling another military superpower.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's lessons not just for the Defense Force,
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  Speaker 3: but for all of Australia. And number one is any
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  Speaker 3: country that wants to defend its territory. Must have the
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  Speaker 3: will to fight, and I think what we saw from
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  Speaker 3: the Ukrainians was a will to fight at high morale.
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  Speaker 3: They wanted to defend their country and they stood their ground.
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  Speaker 3: The second important component was combat power. They were able
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  Speaker 3: to defeat the Russians in a conventional sense in those
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  Speaker 3: initial first days of conflict, or not so much defeat,
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  Speaker 3: but defend successfully at key points. The third thing is
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  Speaker 3: advanced manufacturing. You have to have an industrial base to
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  Speaker 3: be able to sustain yourself, and the Ukrainians have a
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: decent industrial base. We don't. We're deindustrializing under net zero.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: And the final point I would make, Andrew is that
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: the Ukrainians have demonstrated incredible innovation and adaptability on the battlefield.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: They are constantly innovating, adapting their style of warfare to
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: overcome and defeat the Russians, and that's why they've been successful.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: All important lessons for Australia.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I have more and that Ambassador after the brek Andrew Hasty,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: thank you so much.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: For your time.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Andrew a pleasure.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Now, I should say again one nation has denied running
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: any specific campaign against Hasty. Are seeing you one nation's
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: official said no Hasty was not warned by hearing or
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: others have a campaign against them, and that yes, one
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: nation does back ben Robert Smith, but it is not
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: anti Hasty, it's anti labor. After the break and disgusting, shocking,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: horrific Russian attack on Ukrainian civilians and a warning to US,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Australia faces a hostile Chinese military superpower that's preparing.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: For war and we seem almost defenseless.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Last week some of our top military officials and experts warned,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: we're just not ready. Our weapons platforms, satellites, our intelligence,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: surveillance and reconnaissance ISR, it's.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Just not secure enough.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: If you don't think we have to work out how
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: to fight through degraded ISR, degraded SACKCOM, degraded P and T,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: and still work out how we can trust that when
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: that missile fires it's actually going to hit the target
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: intended or it's been manipulated with Biden versary, then we're delusional.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: But Ukraine's ambassador Australia said there, well, look, why don't
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: you learn from Ukraine? And because here is a country
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: fighting another military superpower, and like you said before the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: break Ukraine is slowly winning now. This year, that Center
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: for Strategic and International Studies report I mentioned said the
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Russian military has suffered one point four million battlefield casualties
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: and as many as four hundred and fifty thousand deaths
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: since February twenty twenty two invasion, and Ukraine was this
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: year killing and wounding eight Russian soldiers for every one Ukrainian.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, that is just that's something to learn from.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I would have thought now I've known before. The Ukraine's
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: revolution in war fighting is so innovative. For one, it's
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: built and used lots of cheap stuff, drones totally transformed
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: modern warfare, drones that cost more than the other side
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: can afford, drones that cost much less than the other
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: side's weapons that they're shooting down. So it's unbelievable. And
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: they're not just drones in the air. There's also cheap
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: marine drones that can blow up navy vessels with half
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: a billion dollars. It's this asymmetry, cheape drones against very
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: expensive missiles and anti missiles a Ukraine now makes around
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: five million drones a year, so many that it's been
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: selling even its drone interceptors to the Gulf States in
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the around war in exchange for loans and cash and oil.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: And what's more, this is really important. Unlike our highly
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: centralized military, Ukraine has pushed a lot of decision making
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: to frontline units. So much so the Ukrainian Army is
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: a kind of Amazon site have explained before for those units,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: where they can order exactly the right kind of drones
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: for the particular targets they are facing. Each unit using
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: a budget that they can top up by showing evidence
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: of targets destroyed, pain and success and for ins and
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: supporters can also donate to each unit. You can do
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: it right now to buy more equipment from army approof
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: suppliers and all the targets of course that are destroyed
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and all the missiles flying in and out of Ukraine.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: They attracting real time and a site that's available from
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: the president down on laptops and things, as Vladimir's Elencia
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: explained in London this year, showing the iPad that he
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: carries that tracks in real time what's firing at what
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Joining me is Ukraine's ambassador to Australia, Vassal Mirosh Nashenko
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: now Vassal before thank you so much for coming on
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: and give it before I start right. There has been
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: a terrible, terrible attack overnight on the Ukrainian capital Kiev.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Seventy missiles I think maybe five hundred drones, all aimed
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: at civilian targets. I think thirteen dead, maybe more. This
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: is a war crime, isn't it. It's a deliberate attack,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: a massacre of civilians.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: It is in deead Russians are targeting Ukrainian civilians, trying
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: to intimidate them, trying to put pressure on them. But
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: thirteen data over ninety injured. We are still trying to
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: uncover people from the ruble. So the casualties are growing
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: as we speak. And this is you know, there's been
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: an incessant for the past four and a half years,
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: but of course during the last year Russians attacks have intensified,
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: including other energy systems, including our civilian infants structure. But
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: now we see they just hit different random buildings in
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: the capital of Ukraine.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Including apartment blocks. You tell me how that can be excused.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just shocking stuff. Now, you said Australia
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: could learn from Ukraine and defending itself so that we
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: don't go through. What hell you're going through? What should
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: we learn?
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Oh, there is a lot to learn, and certainly that's
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: our experience of asymmetric warfare. And it's again I would
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: like to stress that it's not an instead of capability.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: It is as well as capability, and we had to
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: reinvent ourselves. A lot of that was driven by the
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: necessity facing the much bigger adversary. We had to come
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: up with a solution how we can actually bring pain
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: to the Russians, how we can heat them asymmetrically, And
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: hence we've invested quite a lot in developing some of
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: those capabilities, drone capabilities, counter drone systems, electronic warfare systems,
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: and a lot of that innovation has been driven by that.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: But that was a unique ecosystem that Ukraine was capable
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: of creating where soldiers, startups, government agencies and volunteers are
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: all working together on bringing a prototype to a product
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: into and straight into the battlefield and sometimes it just
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: takes weeks and how quickly we can do it. But again,
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: as you have demonstrated, it's actually a lot of that
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: has been outsourced or actually simplified procedure of acquisition for
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: the units on the front lines where they can literally
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: pick what they need. And also there is a whole
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: look of how information from the battlefield is transferred to
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: R and D, to manufacturing and then back to the
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: to the battlefield. And I think any advantage of a
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: Ukrainian drone manufacturing is that they have access to the data,
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: and the data is extremely useful in our ability to
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: adapt and change and innovate on the ongoing basis. And
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: of course, you know we last year we produce five
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: million drones. I think this year we even aiming for
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: seven and that's we were able also to scale it up.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: And I think there is a lot to learn and
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: we'll be interested in working with Australia on developing some
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: of those sovereign capabilities here.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Well on that very point, I mean you have said,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: you know, one of the lessons of Ukraine, you've got
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: to build the weapons you need at home in so
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: far as possible, don't rely on others. Boy, if you
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: found that out the hard way. We have started to
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: build drones here, but you've now got two Ukrainian defense
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: companies negotiating to build their drones here in Australia. Why
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: are your drones better. What's in this for us?
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: It's still early stage, but in two companies have expressed
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: our interest in looking at Australia potentially locating production here.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: The thing is that that there are no better drones
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: and Ukrainian drones at the moment. I mean, the only
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: other drones which can probably compete with ours are Russians.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: And when we talk about Russia, we always talk about
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: North Korea which is access to it and also most
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: likely you know the solid part of Russia China, which
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: is benefiting from that experience all three countries of Pacific coutries.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: But other drones are better because they have been tested
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: in a battlefield and plus we're able to get the
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: initial support we got from our partners two three years
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: ago in terms of those drones, but we were able
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: to make them better, to improve them, to harden them.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Australian companies still play an important part in its supply
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: chain and there are a number of companies from Australia
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: including telecommunications equipment, navigation equipment which is supplied to our
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: drone manufacturers. Because other drones have that experience in the battlefield,
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: and also a lot of the targeting is now done
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: with the help of AI, we are able to use
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: open source AI models and train them on the classified
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: data from war from the battlefield, and we can improve
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: the targeting and efficiency of those drawings. And that's something
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: that only local manufacturers have an ability to do it,
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: and definitely Corporation Usukraine would be a huge benefit to
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Australia just because of that act, because pretty much most
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: other manufacturers, if they're not supplying to Ukraine, if they
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: don't have the feedback from the battlefield, they cannot compete
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: with other manufacturers. And most likely any adverstry you may
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: be facing in the future will have that technology which
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: is currently much more advanced, which will be coming from Russia,
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: and therefore the one, the only technology which can compete
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: without or counter it would be the one coming from Ukraine.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, You've got millions and millions of case examples
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: of feedback of drones that work and don't work and
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: how you can improve them. Where Western companies relying normally
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: on just trials in the field, they're talking about hundreds
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: of examples, You're talking millions. It's just invaluable experience. I
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: would hope, and you can't. I would hope a lot
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: of Australian soldiers are actually over in Ukraine studying this
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: very very carefully. Vasel Mirich Nashenko, thank you so much
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: for your time. After the break the panel and Julia
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Gillard says, don't blame her for how this mad gender
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: lore that she passed actually worked out. Julia Gillard as
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: finally said, Oops, this is not what I meant when
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I changed the gender laws. As Prime Minister. She changed
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the Sex Discrimination Act in twenty thirteen, meaning that women
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: were no longer defined by their sex but by their ideology,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: essentially clearing the way to just identifying as a woman
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: if you were a man or whatever.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Here's the Attorney General back then, this government committed to
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: introduce sexual orientation and gender identity has protected grounds of discrimination.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: And the true Memorandum of Labor's built back there made
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: clear that these changes were to ensure that man and
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: woman are not interpreted so narrowly as to exclude, for example,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: a transgender woman from assessing accessing protections from discrimination.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And even the liberals back then stupidly voted for this.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, no wonder one nation's on the rise,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: and now look, you know it's just because of this
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: those laws have just led a man identifying as a
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: woman to successfully sue a women only chat site for
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: banning him or her. Well, yesterday, women's rights activists in
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Britain protesting against Skillard outside the lecture she was giving
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: at Manchester University.
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: Is the Bruce Sheila line of.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Kind of catchy and inside the university, Gillard was asked
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: if she'd made a mistake to change that law. Was
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: this an unintended consequence? It seems from an answer it's yes.
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: If you look at the parliamentary debates in the changes
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: to the Sex Discrimination Act in twenty twelve, you'll find
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: that the issues you're referring to were not raised by
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: anyone because they simply weren't a matter of public discourse
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: the way they are today. So it was a different time.
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: It wasn't something squarely before the Parliament at the time
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: that the legislation was being amended. So I think we
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: make an error in uplifting what we know now and
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: public discourse now and just putting it down fourteen years ago.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Jeining me is the Panels Going Your host James McPherson
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and Carolyn de Russo, commentator and President the West Australian liberals, James.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: If even the Prime minister of that time suggests, well,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: this gender law is not quite working as the politicians
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: then intended, then too's followed, aren't they that the judges
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: interpreting it have gone too far? Or the politicians should
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: now or and the politicians should now correct their mistake.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Although you know, I'm leaving aside a third one that
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Gillard is actually ducking her own responsibility.
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, it's now a matter of historical record, sadly
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: that Australia's first ever female prime minister was a destroyer
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: of women's rights. And it's interesting to watch the progression
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: of Julia Gillard on this issue because for the longest
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: time she has avoided talking about this at all, describing
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: any conversation as a gotcha question she would not engage in.
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: This is the first time that I'm aware she's actually
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: taken on the question, and now she's come out with, well,
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: it was a different time. So though I don't believe
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: her when she says no one could possibly have anticipated
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: these consequences, let's take her at her word and say, Okay,
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: we'll give you that it was a different time back then,
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: but now realizing that, why wouldn't you go one little
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: step further and call upon your labe colleagues who are
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: now in Parliament to fix the error and the mistake
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: that was made in light of what we now know.
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: But she won't go there, and I don't understand why
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: she wouldn't take that little step. Then the issue would
• 34:12
  Speaker 8: move on, But she'll be dogged by this question for
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: the rest of her life until she finally says, we
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: made a mistake, we need it to be fixed. People
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: will forgive a mistake. What they won't forgive is someone
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: refusing to acknowledge it, and that's where she's at currently.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I think she saw sort of acknowledging and sort
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: of not.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's weird, Karen, What do you make of
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: this apart from the fact that she's admitting they were
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: all stupid, including I must say, the Liberals at the
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: time under Tony hab Deferd for this.
• 34:44
  Speaker 9: Well, what is really interesting in the way that she's
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: tried to answer this question, I think Andrew is to
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: say that, oh, well, we didn't think about this particular bit, right.
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: But the simple fact of the matter is is if
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: you stop making this about sex and you make it
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: about ideology or preference or whatever. Well, then you're opening
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: up the possibilities. Just because you may have not seen
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: this specific possibility at the time, you knew that you
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: were You knew that you were going to allow a
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: transgender woman, which is a biological man, to have the
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: same benefits as a woman, and to the you may
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: not have thought how far that might extend at the time,
• 35:26
  Speaker 9: but you knew that that is exactly what you were doing.
• 35:29
  Speaker 9: And interestingly, emotion well, an amendment was put to the
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: Senate by the Liberals by Senator Cash this week to
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: change it back, to change it back to sex and labor,
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: and the Greens voted against. A guillotined not even to
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: have debate. Andrew, we're not even allowed to talk about this.
• 35:49
  Speaker 9: So regardless of the fact of whether Julia Gillard has
• 35:54
  Speaker 9: got to the point of calling on her labor colleagues,
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: she doesn't need to call on her labor colleagues. Her
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: labor colleagues this week have refused to even acknowledge or
• 36:05
  Speaker 9: debate the changing back of this law back to the
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: common sense position from which it should never have been changed.
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: So we know exactly where the Labor Party sits on
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: this and it's a shame on the Mandrew.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe the consequence was not that unintended after all,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I would have thought the plain reading of that explanatory
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: memorandum really tells us that it is what it is.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: The Defense Industry's minister.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Pat Conroy I got to say, James today did the
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: kind of rewriting, the disgraceful rewriting of history that the
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: left does so often, stolen generations whatever it is, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: has claimed that former Liberal prem Minister of Robert Menzi's
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: our longest serving premises actually a Hitler apisa, while Labor
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: is the patriot party here.
• 36:57
  Speaker 10: Is I'm very interested in disclosing what really happened before
• 37:02
  Speaker 10: World War II and during World War II, whereas a
• 37:04
  Speaker 10: choice between John Curden and Nazi appeaser Robert Gordon Menzies.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: In fact, Robert Menzie's declared war on Hitler's Germany the
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: very day that Britain did, And the only evidence Conroy
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: has since offered is a private letter Mensis wrote a
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: week after declaring war, wondering if the cost in lives
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: after three or more years of war, He said to
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: be millions of people. He was right, there would be
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: worth trying to save Poland? Is Conroy right? Is that appeasement?
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: No, Menzies is not guilty of appeasement. He's guilty of
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: thinking out loud. In the letter he wrote, he describes
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: himself as rambling, as just jotting down some thoughts and
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: observations which will require further clarification. And now Conroy has
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: taken that in order to deflect from his own failings
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: in the portfolio. Currently, as he said, Menzies said, the
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: cost maybe more than we can bear. We may not
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: have public support for the war in those instances, may
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: we need to settle for an unfavorable outcome because the
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: alternative could be worse. That's not appeasement, that's real politic.
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: As it turns out, as you said, Menzies supported the war.
• 38:14
  Speaker 8: So this is nothing but a shameless smear of Robert
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: Menzies in order to distract from the current government's failure
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: in defense.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: And meanwhile, of course, Caroline, this is from a government
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: that is appeaced Hamas and Hezbollah and terrorist Iran by
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: telling Israel, you know, don't fight back, de escalate, de escalate,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: de escalate.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: But no, these are hard men as If as.
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: If well it's that it is ridiculous and look to
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: one to wonder about a human cost of war is
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: a perfectly normal thing to do. And in fact that
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: that shows a compassion in a sense, that shows a humility,
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: that shows more than just you know, the sort of nastiness.
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: I suppose the Labour.
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: Like to accuse the Liberal Party of it's actually thinking
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: about the human element in all of this rather than
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: the geopolitical elements. So I take obviously none of that
• 39:12
  Speaker 9: as being serious. And of course, you know, we could
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: start having these sorts of conversations about former Labor prime ministers.
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: Should we maybe have a conversation about Arthur Corwell and
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: others and see how well, all these years later are
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: that their record, that their record stands up to history.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Oh what a good point. James just nailed that there, Caroline.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: You know what about the appeasement of the Soviet Union,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera.
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: Indeed, and to your point earlier, I mean, immediately after
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: the October seventh attack, the Albanzi government was saying we
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: must have a two state solution, to the point where
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: even Hamas was praising the Albanese government. So there's a
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  Speaker 8: lot to look through on the labor side. If we
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  Speaker 8: want to talk about appeasing evil in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well yes, and here we go, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: patriotic labor party, three Flags Australia. Absolutely, Carolyn de Russo,
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  Speaker 2: James Offerson, thank you very much to you both.
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  Speaker 1: I've got to say, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: There's been a tragedy in Victoria, a fifteen year old
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: boy murdered, stabbed. What about this machete laws? As someone
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Darwish Mohammad seems again that multiculturalism dynamic at work. But
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: the poor bug of the poor family that's fifteen years old,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: and a viewer has alerted me to the most ridiculous
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: exemption to Victoria's useless ban on machetes. Look at this boy.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: The new law banning machetes includes exemptions for a machete
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: that is a traditional, historical, or cultural significance to an identified,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: identifiable community or group, which this legislation says includes a
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: machette connected with Aboriginal in tangible heritage. Did traditional Aboriginal
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: culture really include the use of machetes? And I do
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: wonder which traditional Aboriginal steel work produced them? Unbelieve it
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Victoria today anyway, after the break of Prome, Minister of
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Bosa having the gayest parliament. Identity politics, it's just so insulting.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's telling us not to judge people what
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  Speaker 2: they say or they do, but simply by their color
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  Speaker 2: or race or gender or sexual preference. Totally irrelevant stuff,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: totally devaluing an intelligence and character and effort and it's
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: so dated, which really struck me when British Premier is
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: a Keios Starmer this week did this bragging.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I'm really proud that we've got the gayest parliament. I
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: don't think just the full time anywhere in the world.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any parliament out of this game
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  Speaker 1: than this part. That's fantastic. I mean, that's so data.
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  Speaker 2: This is the twenty first century. Does anyone still care
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  Speaker 2: how many of their politicians are straight or gay? I mean,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: what's that got to do with anything you want a
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: politician to actually do for you? Joining me from oh
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: it's actually from near Marseille in the south of France
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: is a regular Thursday commentator Patrick Christie's who when he
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: does bother showing up is the star host that GB News.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Patrick.
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  Speaker 2: While you're there, may I recommend you show up to
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: sant Remi de Provence, which is where van Goff was
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: locked up for a while in an asylum, did some
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: of his best work there. Beautiful place to visit. You
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: can go to his sell and see it.
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  Speaker 6: Still fantastic.
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  Speaker 11: I will put that on my lesson talking of my
• 42:50
  Speaker 11: identity politics and I am identifying as.
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  Speaker 6: A wealthy French chateau owner today. So there you go.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: We can be whatever we want.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: But is it the gayest chateau in the town or
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: until they're irrelevant?
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you know the.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Gayest parliament, if you've got the gayest parliament in the
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: world in London, how has that actually manifested itself in
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: the proper government of Britain.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: Well, look, this is ridiculous.
• 43:21
  Speaker 11: Starmer said that he enjoyed being a lesbian style icon.
• 43:25
  Speaker 11: Andy Burnham, who is the incoming Prime Minister, was described
• 43:29
  Speaker 11: as Labour's first female leader. What the heck is going on? Yes,
• 43:34
  Speaker 11: there is a higher proportion of LGBTQ plus MP so
• 43:39
  Speaker 11: eleven and a half percent of MPs are gay or
• 43:42
  Speaker 11: basically compared to just three point two percent of the
• 43:46
  Speaker 11: wider British public. And that's before we've accounted for backroom staff,
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: special advisors, et cetera.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: Now there is a serious point here.
• 43:53
  Speaker 11: This does manifest itself, I think in the kind of
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: ridiculous gender ideology that we're seeing, because these people are.
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: The law makers. So you know, this is why.
• 44:00
  Speaker 11: We're seeing a lot of this madness, not being able
• 44:02
  Speaker 11: to say what a woman is, letting male rapists into
• 44:04
  Speaker 11: female prisons, letting men into women's spaces, teaching primary school
• 44:08
  Speaker 11: children that they've been born into the wrong body. But
• 44:10
  Speaker 11: look look at this. Surely the battle has been won. Now,
• 44:13
  Speaker 11: all of this, you know, fight for gay rights. Surely
• 44:16
  Speaker 11: it's over. We've got a huge representation, arguably an overrepresentation
• 44:21
  Speaker 11: of LGBTQ plus politicians in parliament. This is also widely
• 44:25
  Speaker 11: regarded as being the worst parliament that Britain has ever had,
• 44:28
  Speaker 11: So I'm not really sure celebrating how gay it is
• 44:30
  Speaker 11: is a massive compliment of the many successful, intelligent gay
• 44:33
  Speaker 11: people that there are. But just interestingly, the party with
• 44:36
  Speaker 11: the highest gay membership apparently is Reform, which is like
• 44:41
  Speaker 11: the most right wing one, And you know what's interesting
• 44:43
  Speaker 11: there they don't care.
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: About the pride flag.
• 44:46
  Speaker 11: They just want to get on with their lives and
• 44:48
  Speaker 11: frankly so do I.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Will said, look, you know it's to me Patrick, something
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: else from you that really explained so much, no wonder
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Britain has been flooded with illegal immigrants and the sense
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: of entitlement of some of them, and every of a
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: couple from Pakistan they came to Britain with their four children,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: complaining about the council house they were given, saying it's
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: too remote, not enough transport links, and some of the
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: locals have allegedly abuse them, which is something of course
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: that is not good. But what's this story here, what's
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: the complete story.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: It's unbelievable. This, it's so enraging.
• 45:28
  Speaker 11: They came from Pakistan on a work visa, started working
• 45:32
  Speaker 11: as an uber driver, brought their kids with them. The
• 45:35
  Speaker 11: work visa expired, so they applied for asylum. They were
• 45:38
  Speaker 11: obviously grunted asylum because we just give out to anyone
• 45:41
  Speaker 11: at the moment. Now we've built a load of brand
• 45:45
  Speaker 11: new homes which would be worth roughly four hundred thousand
• 45:47
  Speaker 11: Australian dollars each.
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: Twenty one of these brand new homes have been given.
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: Specifically for asylum seekers and they are in a nice
• 45:54
  Speaker 11: rural village where people chose to move to, etc.
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: And yeah, they're complaining about it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 11: Say it's too remote, they say they feel isolated. I'm sorry,
• 46:03
  Speaker 11: you know, do you want a penthouse in central London?
• 46:05
  Speaker 11: You know, I'm sorry that our country that is giving
• 46:08
  Speaker 11: you a home and education for your children, free healthcare,
• 46:10
  Speaker 11: all the trappings of this wonderful culture that our forefathers
• 46:13
  Speaker 11: spent centuries creating and nurturing. I'm sorry that that isn't
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: quite good enough for you. I mean, the other aspect
• 46:19
  Speaker 11: of this now is that we are renovating disused military
• 46:23
  Speaker 11: bases around the country, more of them. One of them
• 46:26
  Speaker 11: is in a town with a population of six hundred people,
• 46:31
  Speaker 11: and they're looking at putting around fifteen hundred a silent
• 46:34
  Speaker 11: seek as an elite difference in that town and village,
• 46:37
  Speaker 11: and they're allowed to roam freely.
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: I mean, he is absolutely maddening this.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: It's just I don't look, really, the whole thing is
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: so bizarre. You're just one, you know, you're extinguishing yourselves, really,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: kirs Stammer. Meanwhile, the architecture of so much of this
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: he's going to slip down as premise a couple of
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: weeks he's seen the riding on the wall is giving
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: the boot after two years. His replacement is almost certainly
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: former Manchester meyor Andy Burnham. It's just an amazing coronation
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: because I don't know what is yet said that he'll
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: do that is different from what voters hate.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: Yes, exactly that.
• 47:20
  Speaker 11: So Andy Burnham has said that he will move a
• 47:22
  Speaker 11: lot of the operations to Manchester and call it Number
• 47:25
  Speaker 11: ten North because that's in the north of England. People
• 47:27
  Speaker 11: have pointed out that would be rather convenient for him
• 47:30
  Speaker 11: because he doesn't intend to leave his family home with Manchester.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: So I think that's one way of doing it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 11: The fact is that Andy Burnham has said that he
• 47:39
  Speaker 11: wants to let asylum seekers work before they've been processed,
• 47:41
  Speaker 11: while simultaneously saying that he wants to get to up
• 47:43
  Speaker 11: on asylum seekers. He's also said that he wants to
• 47:45
  Speaker 11: rejoin the EU. Then he says he doesn't want to
• 47:47
  Speaker 11: rejoin the EU. Nobody knows what this guy stands for.
• 47:50
  Speaker 11: He's flip flot more than Gandhy and that's just in
• 47:52
  Speaker 11: the last few weeks. He is trying to be all
• 47:55
  Speaker 11: things to all people and actually ended up being none
• 47:57
  Speaker 11: of them.
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: But think about this.
• 47:58
  Speaker 11: You know Britain, you know one of the homes of democracy.
• 48:02
  Speaker 11: They created a by election just to get this guy elected.
• 48:05
  Speaker 11: Zero point three percent of the British population.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: I voted for him.
• 48:09
  Speaker 11: He's now going to walk into Downing Street or Number
• 48:11
  Speaker 11: ten North totally unopposed. This is not democracy. This is
• 48:16
  Speaker 11: absolutely insa.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's incredible, cracky, gives us
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: all hope where we can all stroll into Parliament as
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: head Bay up as Prime Minister any day. Patrick, enjoy
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: yourself over there, I mean wonderful food and sunshine.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Talk to you next week. Thank you so much, Patrick
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: CHRISTI is that's it? From me?
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Up Next, Sherry hosts about Carola Marcus goodn't I