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Welcoming the Absolute: What Happens When Reality Lives Through You · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  two
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  of
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  the
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  17th
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  dialogue
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  in
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  the
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  A.
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  H.
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  Almaas
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  Wisdom
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  series
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  in
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  which
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  we
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  continue
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  to
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  explore
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  the
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  journey
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  of
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  descent,
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  which
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  does
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  not
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  mean
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  going
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  down,
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  but
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  means
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  to
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  ground
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  the
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  realization
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  of
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  our
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  true
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  nature.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  life
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  enhancing,
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  Okay,
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  I
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  have
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  a,
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  have
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  a
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  question.
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  And
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  part
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  of
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  this
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  journey
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  of
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  dissent,
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  when
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  you're
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  there,
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  it
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  calls
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  on
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  you
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  to,
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  to
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  express
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  this
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  in
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  relationships
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  and
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  action,
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  in
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  service
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  and
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  contribution.
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  Again,
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  we
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  touched
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  on
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  it.
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  You're
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  sharing
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  what
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  you're
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  teaching
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  to
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  the
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  world.
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  But
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  people
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  who
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  are
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  in
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  this
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  process
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  are
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  naturally
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  manifest
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  certain
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  traits
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  such
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  as
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  being
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  of
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  service,
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  being
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  compassionate,
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  being
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  kind,
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  this
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  sort
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  of
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  thing.
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  And
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  is
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  there
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  such
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  a
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  thing
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  as
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  false
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  dissent
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  by
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  someone
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  who
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  claims,
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  you
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  know,
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  that
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  they've
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  reached
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  the
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  top
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  of
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  the
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  mountain,
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  but
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  when
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  they
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  come
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  back
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  they
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  really
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  haven't
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  done
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  the
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  work
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  or
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  they're
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  really
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  not
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  something's
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  amiss
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  and
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  they
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  end
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  up
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  probably
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  hurting.
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  They
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  end
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  up
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  hurting
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  more
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  people
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  than
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  they
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  help.
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  So,
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  and
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  this
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  true
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  descent
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  is
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  characterized
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  by
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  what
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  are
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  the
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  fruits
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  of
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  it?
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  What,
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  what
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  comes
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  through
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  the
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  person
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  who's.
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  Doing
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  this
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  Antichrist,
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  huh?
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  Pretending
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  I'm
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  a
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  guy.
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  Well,
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  I
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  imagine
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  there
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  are.
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  I'm.
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  I
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  don't
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  know
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  any
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  myself
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  about
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  false
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  descent.
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  I
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  think
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  what
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  happens
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  is
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  not
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  usually
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  not
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  a
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  false
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  descent,
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  but
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  more
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  from
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  what
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  I
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  see,
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  my
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  observation,
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  various
• 1:52
  teachers
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  and
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  you
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  know,
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  people
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  who
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  claim
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  realization
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  is
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  either
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  an
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  incomplete
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  realization
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  of
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  the
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  absolute
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  or
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  the
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  descent
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  is
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  descent
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  not
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  from
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  the
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  absolute,
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  but
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  from
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  a
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  earlier
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  dimension
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  or
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  sometime
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  incomplete
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  integration
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  of
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  the
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  absolute
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  or
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  the
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  descent
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  to
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  really
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  integrate
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  the
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  absolute
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  fully
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  and
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  all
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  the
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  dimension,
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  descent
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  fully.
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  That's
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  unusual.
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  I
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  don't
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  expect
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  it
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  from
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  most
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  of
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  my
• 2:27
  students.
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  For
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  instance,
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  you
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  know,
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  it's
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  good
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  if
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  they
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  get
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  some
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  of
• 2:32
  that,
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  I
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  mean,
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  just
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  of
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  that
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  person.
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  Life
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  will
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  be
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  wonderful.
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  So
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  in
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  terms
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  of
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  being
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  a
• 2:40
  teacher,
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  representing
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  oneself
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  as
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  teachers,
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  it's
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  good
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  that
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  you
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  present
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  yourself
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  with
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  what
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  you
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  really
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  know
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  from
• 2:48
  experience,
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  what
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  you
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  embody.
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  There
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  are
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  not
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  many
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  teachers.
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  I
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  could
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  listen
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  to
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  them
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  and
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  their
• 2:53
  students
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  asking
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  their
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  answer.
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  I
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  could
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  tell
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  they
• 2:56
  don't
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  know
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  what
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  they're
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  talking
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  about.
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  And
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  they
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  know
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  what
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  they
• 2:59
  don't
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  know.
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  They're
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  talking.
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  They
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  pretend
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  as
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  if
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  they
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  know
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  the
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  answer
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  when
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  they
• 3:02
  don't
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  know
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  it.
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  I
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  mean,
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  this
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  happens
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  so
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  frequently.
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  Sometime
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  call
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  the
• 3:07
  person,
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  tell
• 3:08
  them,
• 3:08
  what
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  are
• 3:08
  you
• 3:08
  doing?
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  You
• 3:10
  know,
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  but
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  you
• 3:12
  know,
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  that's
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  how
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  it
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  is.
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  You
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  know,
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  most
• 3:15
  of,
• 3:15
  most
• 3:15
  of
• 3:16
  the
• 3:16
  time
• 3:17
  the
• 3:17
  Realization
• 3:17
  is
• 3:18
  incomplete
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  of
• 3:20
  the
• 3:20
  absolute
• 3:20
  itself,
• 3:21
  of
• 3:22
  being
• 3:22
  or
• 3:23
  consciousness.
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  People,
• 3:24
  oh,
• 3:24
  I'm
• 3:24
  real,
• 3:24
  I'm
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  awakened.
• 3:25
  I'm
• 3:26
  realizing
• 3:26
  consciousness,
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  yeah,
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  but
• 3:28
  not
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  necessarily
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  completely.
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  Meaning
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  there
• 3:31
  are
• 3:31
  still
• 3:31
  some
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  issues,
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  obstacles
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  to
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  it,
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  destruction,
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  to
• 3:34
  it.
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  Distortion
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  that
• 3:36
  hasn't
• 3:36
  been
• 3:36
  worked
• 3:37
  out,
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  hasn't
• 3:38
  been
• 3:38
  cleared
• 3:39
  away.
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  So
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  yes,
• 3:40
  you
• 3:41
  have
• 3:41
  some
• 3:41
  knowledge
• 3:42
  and
• 3:42
  experience,
• 3:42
  but
• 3:43
  it's
• 3:43
  not.
• 3:44
  Not
• 3:44
  pure,
• 3:45
  it's
• 3:45
  not
• 3:45
  clean.
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  So
• 3:47
  because
• 3:47
  of
• 3:48
  that,
• 3:48
  the
• 3:48
  descent,
• 3:49
  which
• 3:49
  is
• 3:49
  coming
• 3:50
  into
• 3:51
  the
• 3:51
  world
• 3:52
  and
• 3:53
  people
• 3:53
  think
• 3:53
  of
• 3:53
  it,
• 3:54
  the
• 3:54
  descent
• 3:54
  is
• 3:54
  when
• 3:54
  you
• 3:55
  teach,
• 3:55
  which
• 3:55
  is
• 3:55
  not.
• 3:56
  How
• 3:56
  I
• 3:56
  look
• 3:56
  at
• 3:56
  it
• 3:57
  is
• 3:58
  that
• 3:59
  like
• 3:59
  when
• 3:59
  I
• 3:59
  first
• 4:00
  started
• 4:00
  teaching,
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  some
• 4:01
  people
• 4:01
  call
• 4:02
  it
• 4:02
  the
• 4:02
  Descent.
• 4:04
  I
• 4:04
  didn't.
• 4:04
  I
• 4:05
  didn't
• 4:05
  call
• 4:05
  it
• 4:05
  decent
• 4:06
  at
• 4:06
  that
• 4:06
  time.
• 4:07
  I
• 4:07
  thought
• 4:07
  something
• 4:08
  because
• 4:09
  I
• 4:09
  knew
• 4:09
  something.
• 4:10
  And
• 4:10
  I
• 4:10
  got
• 4:10
  the
• 4:11
  sense
• 4:11
  that
• 4:12
  not
• 4:12
  just
• 4:12
  for
• 4:13
  me,
• 4:13
  actually
• 4:14
  just
• 4:14
  for
• 4:14
  myself.
• 4:15
  And
• 4:16
  kept
• 4:17
  increasing
• 4:17
  and
• 4:18
  expanding
• 4:18
  the
• 4:19
  realization
• 4:20
  while
• 4:20
  I'm
• 4:21
  teaching.
• 4:22
  So
• 4:22
  what
• 4:22
  I
• 4:23
  have
• 4:23
  to
• 4:23
  teach,
• 4:24
  it
• 4:24
  kept
• 4:24
  expanding.
• 4:25
  And
• 4:25
  so
• 4:27
  I
• 4:27
  was
• 4:27
  actually
• 4:28
  teaching
• 4:29
  what
• 4:29
  is
• 4:29
  expanding
• 4:30
  in
• 4:30
  me
• 4:30
  more
• 4:30
  and
• 4:30
  more.
• 4:31
  So
• 4:31
  my
• 4:31
  teaching
• 4:32
  became
• 4:32
  more
• 4:33
  and
• 4:33
  more
• 4:33
  expanded
• 4:34
  as
• 4:35
  my
• 4:35
  experience
• 4:35
  itself
• 4:36
  expanded.
• 4:38
  I
• 4:38
  didn't
• 4:38
  wait.
• 4:38
  I'm
• 4:39
  all
• 4:39
  done
• 4:39
  for
• 4:40
  me
• 4:40
  to
• 4:40
  teach,
• 4:41
  otherwise
• 4:41
  I
• 4:41
  would
• 4:41
  be
• 4:41
  waiting
• 4:42
  a
• 4:42
  long
• 4:42
  time.
• 4:44
  That
• 4:44
  was
• 4:44
  a
• 4:44
  process
• 4:45
  that
• 4:45
  took
• 4:45
  about
• 4:45
  20
• 4:46
  years.
• 4:46
  Wow.
• 4:48
  Yes.
• 4:49
  I
• 4:49
  wrote
• 4:49
  a
• 4:49
  book,
• 4:50
  Essential
• 4:50
  Spirituality.
• 4:51
  And
• 4:51
  I
• 4:52
  waited
• 4:52
  many
• 4:52
  years
• 4:53
  for
• 4:53
  it
• 4:53
  until
• 4:53
  my
• 4:54
  wife
• 4:54
  eventually
• 4:55
  to
• 4:55
  write.
• 4:55
  And
• 4:56
  until
• 4:56
  eventually
• 4:56
  my
• 4:57
  wife
• 4:57
  said,
• 4:58
  well,
• 4:58
  you
• 4:58
  realize
• 4:59
  that
• 4:59
  the
• 4:59
  current
• 4:59
  rate
• 4:59
  of
• 5:00
  progress,
• 5:00
  you'll.
• 5:01
  You'll
• 5:01
  die
• 5:02
  long
• 5:02
  before
• 5:02
  you
• 5:03
  start
• 5:03
  the
• 5:03
  first
• 5:04
  page.
• 5:04
  So
• 5:05
  that
• 5:05
  got
• 5:05
  me
• 5:05
  moving.
• 5:06
  That's.
• 5:06
  I
• 5:07
  mean,
• 5:07
  that
• 5:07
  brings
• 5:07
  into
• 5:08
  the
• 5:08
  question
• 5:08
  of
• 5:08
  the
• 5:08
  books
• 5:09
  I
• 5:09
  wrote
• 5:09
  in
• 5:09
  the
• 5:09
  books.
• 5:10
  You
• 5:10
  know,
• 5:11
  I
• 5:11
  have
• 5:11
  several
• 5:12
  series
• 5:12
  of
• 5:12
  books
• 5:14
  right
• 5:14
  at
• 5:14
  the
• 5:14
  beginning
• 5:15
  when
• 5:15
  I
• 5:15
  realized
• 5:17
  I
• 5:17
  am
• 5:17
  to
• 5:18
  teach,
• 5:18
  I
• 5:18
  am
• 5:18
  to
• 5:18
  give
• 5:19
  away.
• 5:20
  It's
• 5:20
  not
• 5:20
  just
• 5:20
  for
• 5:21
  me,
• 5:21
  because
• 5:21
  it
• 5:21
  became
• 5:22
  clear
• 5:22
  what
• 5:23
  I
• 5:23
  was
• 5:23
  learning
• 5:23
  was
• 5:23
  not
• 5:24
  just
• 5:24
  for
• 5:24
  me,
• 5:24
  but
• 5:25
  some
• 5:25
  of
• 5:25
  it
• 5:26
  I
• 5:26
  didn't
• 5:26
  really
• 5:26
  need.
• 5:27
  I
• 5:27
  didn't
• 5:27
  have
• 5:28
  thing
• 5:28
  for
• 5:28
  it
• 5:28
  to
• 5:29
  respond
• 5:29
  to.
• 5:29
  In
• 5:29
  myself
• 5:30
  there
• 5:31
  came
• 5:32
  an
• 5:32
  understanding
• 5:33
  what
• 5:33
  I
• 5:34
  should
• 5:34
  also
• 5:35
  how
• 5:35
  not
• 5:35
  to.
• 5:35
  How
• 5:36
  to
• 5:36
  give
• 5:36
  it
• 5:36
  out
• 5:36
  in
• 5:37
  writing.
• 5:38
  And
• 5:39
  I
• 5:39
  had
• 5:39
  in
• 5:40
  my
• 5:40
  mind,
• 5:40
  when
• 5:40
  it
• 5:40
  became
• 5:41
  very
• 5:41
  clear,
• 5:41
  three
• 5:42
  series
• 5:42
  of
• 5:42
  books
• 5:43
  I
• 5:43
  was
• 5:43
  supposed
• 5:44
  to
• 5:44
  do,
• 5:45
  you
• 5:46
  know,
• 5:46
  the
• 5:47
  Diamond
• 5:48
  Body,
• 5:48
  the
• 5:49
  Mind
• 5:49
  series,
• 5:50
  Diamond
• 5:51
  Heart
• 5:51
  series
• 5:52
  and
• 5:52
  the
• 5:52
  Diamond
• 5:53
  Body
• 5:53
  series.
• 5:54
  And
• 5:54
  I
• 5:55
  finished
• 5:55
  them
• 5:56
  about
• 5:56
  20
• 5:56
  years
• 5:57
  ago
• 5:57
  or
• 5:57
  something.
• 5:58
  That
• 5:59
  wasn't
• 5:59
  the
• 5:59
  end.
• 5:59
  That
• 6:00
  wasn't
• 6:00
  the
• 6:00
  end.
• 6:00
  I
• 6:01
  finished
• 6:01
  those.
• 6:02
  And
• 6:02
  then
• 6:02
  after
• 6:03
  that,
• 6:04
  that
• 6:04
  was
• 6:04
  after
• 6:05
  the
• 6:05
  Journey
• 6:05
  of
• 6:05
  Descent,
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  other
• 6:08
  revelation
• 6:09
  that
• 6:09
  emerged
• 6:10
  that
• 6:11
  occasioned
• 6:11
  more
• 6:12
  books.
• 6:13
  You
• 6:13
  see
• 6:15
  the
• 6:15
  book
• 6:15
  about
• 6:16
  love
• 6:17
  we're
• 6:17
  talking
• 6:17
  about
• 6:18
  gonna
• 6:18
  come
• 6:19
  out
• 6:19
  next
• 6:19
  year.
• 6:20
  It's
• 6:20
  part
• 6:20
  of
• 6:21
  the
• 6:21
  Journey
• 6:21
  of
• 6:21
  Ascent.
• 6:23
  It
• 6:23
  is
• 6:23
  about
• 6:24
  the
• 6:24
  absolute.
• 6:25
  It
• 6:25
  is
• 6:25
  about
• 6:25
  the
• 6:25
  Realization
• 6:26
  of
• 6:26
  the
• 6:26
  Absolute
• 6:27
  as
• 6:27
  the
• 6:28
  inner
• 6:28
  beloved.
• 6:30
  The
• 6:30
  hard
• 6:31
  way
• 6:31
  of
• 6:32
  approaching
• 6:32
  the
• 6:32
  absolute.
• 6:33
  That's
• 6:33
  what
• 6:33
  the
• 6:34
  book
• 6:34
  of
• 6:34
  love
• 6:34
  is.
• 6:34
  So
• 6:35
  it
• 6:35
  is
• 6:35
  part
• 6:35
  of
• 6:36
  this
• 6:36
  cycle
• 6:37
  of
• 6:38
  teaching.
• 6:39
  I
• 6:39
  had
• 6:39
  other
• 6:40
  cycle
• 6:40
  later.
• 6:40
  We
• 6:41
  could
• 6:41
  talk
• 6:41
  about
• 6:41
  some
• 6:42
  other
• 6:42
  time.
• 6:43
  But
• 6:43
  this
• 6:44
  is
• 6:44
  a
• 6:44
  big
• 6:44
  cycle.
• 6:46
  I'm
• 6:47
  focusing
• 6:47
  on
• 6:47
  it
• 6:48
  because
• 6:48
  it's
• 6:49
  a
• 6:49
  cycle
• 6:49
  that
• 6:49
  most
• 6:49
  teaching
• 6:50
  talk
• 6:50
  about.
• 6:52
  Most
• 6:52
  teaching
• 6:53
  talk
• 6:53
  about
• 6:54
  the
• 6:54
  Absolute
• 6:54
  or
• 6:55
  consciousness
• 6:56
  or
• 6:56
  awareness
• 6:57
  or
• 6:57
  love.
• 6:58
  And
• 6:59
  this
• 6:59
  is
• 6:59
  what
• 7:00
  this
• 7:01
  book
• 7:01
  focuses
• 7:02
  on.
• 7:03
  So
• 7:03
  here
• 7:03
  we
• 7:03
  talk
• 7:04
  about
• 7:04
  the
• 7:04
  Absolute,
• 7:04
  which
• 7:05
  is
• 7:05
  the
• 7:06
  inner
• 7:06
  mystery
• 7:06
  when
• 7:07
  completely
• 7:08
  total
• 7:09
  annihilation
• 7:10
  into
• 7:10
  something
• 7:11
  beyond
• 7:12
  everything
• 7:12
  we
• 7:13
  know.
• 7:14
  And
• 7:14
  so
• 7:15
  for
• 7:15
  the
• 7:15
  Divine
• 7:16
  emerges
• 7:16
  in
• 7:17
  its
• 7:17
  purity
• 7:18
  as
• 7:19
  the
• 7:20
  source
• 7:20
  of
• 7:20
  everything
• 7:21
  that
• 7:22
  can
• 7:22
  simply
• 7:23
  annihilate
• 7:24
  everything.
• 7:26
  Avid,
• 7:26
  you
• 7:27
  spoke
• 7:28
  in
• 7:28
  response
• 7:28
  to
• 7:29
  John's
• 7:29
  question
• 7:29
  about
• 7:30
  incomplete
• 7:31
  realization
• 7:32
  or
• 7:33
  descent.
• 7:34
  And
• 7:34
  you
• 7:35
  listed
• 7:35
  very
• 7:36
  briefly
• 7:36
  a
• 7:36
  number
• 7:37
  of
• 7:37
  ways
• 7:38
  in
• 7:38
  which
• 7:39
  the
• 7:39
  spiritual
• 7:40
  path
• 7:40
  and
• 7:40
  teaching
• 7:41
  could
• 7:41
  be
• 7:41
  short
• 7:42
  circuited,
• 7:43
  misappropriated
• 7:44
  almost.
• 7:45
  And
• 7:45
  what
• 7:45
  I
• 7:45
  heard
• 7:46
  you
• 7:46
  say
• 7:46
  was,
• 7:47
  first
• 7:47
  off,
• 7:47
  there
• 7:47
  can
• 7:47
  be
• 7:48
  an
• 7:48
  incomplete
• 7:49
  working
• 7:49
  through
• 7:50
  of
• 7:50
  egoic
• 7:51
  conditioning
• 7:53
  limitations.
• 7:54
  There
• 7:54
  can
• 7:55
  be
• 7:55
  an
• 7:56
  incomplete
• 7:56
  realization
• 7:58
  which
• 7:58
  I
• 7:59
  imagine
• 7:59
  can
• 8:00
  be
• 8:00
  of
• 8:00
  several
• 8:00
  sorts.
• 8:00
  It
• 8:01
  could
• 8:01
  be
• 8:01
  incomplete
• 8:02
  depth,
• 8:03
  that
• 8:03
  is
• 8:03
  maybe
• 8:04
  only
• 8:04
  a
• 8:04
  realization
• 8:05
  of
• 8:05
  one
• 8:05
  of
• 8:05
  the
• 8:05
  boundless
• 8:06
  dimensions.
• 8:07
  It
• 8:07
  could
• 8:07
  be
• 8:08
  a
• 8:08
  transient
• 8:09
  experience
• 8:10
  rather
• 8:11
  than
• 8:11
  an
• 8:11
  ongoing
• 8:12
  enduring
• 8:14
  immersion
• 8:15
  in.
• 8:16
  And
• 8:16
  it
• 8:16
  could
• 8:16
  be
• 8:16
  a
• 8:17
  failure
• 8:17
  or
• 8:17
  incomplete
• 8:18
  integration
• 8:19
  or
• 8:19
  what
• 8:19
  you
• 8:19
  call
• 8:20
  actualization
• 8:21
  into
• 8:21
  life.
• 8:22
  And
• 8:23
  then
• 8:23
  could
• 8:24
  be
• 8:24
  if
• 8:24
  a
• 8:25
  person
• 8:25
  does
• 8:26
  realize
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  most
• 8:28
  profound
• 8:28
  domain,
• 8:29
  the
• 8:29
  absolute
• 8:30
  itself,
• 8:31
  then
• 8:31
  the
• 8:32
  journey
• 8:32
  of
• 8:33
  descent
• 8:33
  could
• 8:34
  be
• 8:34
  partial
• 8:34
  or
• 8:35
  incomplete.
• 8:36
  Would
• 8:36
  that
• 8:36
  give
• 8:37
  a
• 8:37
  cover?
• 8:38
  That's
• 8:38
  very
• 8:39
  good.
• 8:39
  Yeah,
• 8:40
  I
• 8:40
  think
• 8:40
  it
• 8:40
  covered
• 8:40
  many
• 8:41
  of
• 8:41
  the
• 8:41
  important
• 8:42
  things.
• 8:43
  But
• 8:43
  one
• 8:43
  thing
• 8:44
  to
• 8:44
  say
• 8:44
  is
• 8:45
  just
• 8:45
  because
• 8:46
  a
• 8:46
  teacher
• 8:47
  has
• 8:47
  partial
• 8:48
  realization
• 8:50
  and
• 8:51
  incomplete
• 8:52
  realization
• 8:53
  or
• 8:53
  something
• 8:53
  or
• 8:54
  incomplete
• 8:55
  descent
• 8:55
  or
• 8:56
  whatever
• 8:56
  doesn't
• 8:57
  mean
• 8:57
  that
• 8:57
  what
• 8:57
  they
• 8:58
  do
• 8:58
  is
• 8:58
  not
• 8:58
  useful.
• 9:00
  It's
• 9:00
  useful
• 9:01
  and
• 9:01
  it
• 9:01
  could
• 9:01
  help
• 9:01
  other
• 9:02
  people
• 9:02
  and
• 9:03
  other
• 9:03
  people
• 9:04
  can
• 9:04
  learn
• 9:04
  about
• 9:05
  themselves,
• 9:05
  whatever.
• 9:07
  Definitely
• 9:07
  I'm
• 9:07
  talking
• 9:07
  about
• 9:08
  the
• 9:08
  teaching
• 9:08
  here.
• 9:09
  It's
• 9:09
  not
• 9:09
  just
• 9:09
  me
• 9:10
  teaching.
• 9:11
  You're
• 9:11
  talking
• 9:11
  about
• 9:11
  that
• 9:12
  approach
• 9:12
  to
• 9:12
  whole
• 9:13
  vast
• 9:14
  teaching
• 9:15
  with
• 9:15
  all
• 9:15
  the
• 9:15
  elements
• 9:16
  in
• 9:16
  it.
• 9:17
  So
• 9:17
  that's
• 9:18
  why
• 9:18
  I
• 9:18
  include
• 9:19
  all
• 9:19
  different
• 9:20
  things
• 9:20
  about
• 9:21
  it.
• 9:22
  Like
• 9:23
  I
• 9:23
  train
• 9:24
  teachers.
• 9:24
  I
• 9:25
  have
• 9:25
  many
• 9:25
  teachers.
• 9:26
  I'm
• 9:26
  going
• 9:26
  to
• 9:26
  give
• 9:26
  them
• 9:26
  actually
• 9:27
  teaching
• 9:28
  next
• 9:28
  week.
• 9:28
  I'm
• 9:29
  going
• 9:29
  Palm
• 9:30
  Spring
• 9:30
  to
• 9:30
  give
• 9:31
  training
• 9:31
  with
• 9:31
  a
• 9:31
  teacher.
• 9:32
  I
• 9:32
  don't
• 9:33
  expect
• 9:33
  each
• 9:33
  one
• 9:33
  of
• 9:33
  them
• 9:34
  to
• 9:34
  know
• 9:34
  everything
• 9:34
  I
• 9:35
  know.
• 9:35
  They
• 9:35
  don't
• 9:36
  have
• 9:36
  to
• 9:36
  to
• 9:37
  be
• 9:37
  a
• 9:37
  good
• 9:38
  useful
• 9:38
  teacher.
• 9:39
  You
• 9:39
  know,
• 9:39
  some
• 9:39
  of
• 9:40
  them
• 9:40
  know
• 9:40
  can
• 9:41
  be
• 9:41
  more
• 9:41
  than
• 9:42
  others.
• 9:42
  Everybody's
• 9:43
  different.
• 9:45
  So
• 9:46
  that's
• 9:46
  the
• 9:47
  way
• 9:47
  I
• 9:47
  see
• 9:48
  teachers.
• 9:49
  The
• 9:49
  question
• 9:49
  the
• 9:50
  problem
• 9:50
  happens
• 9:51
  is
• 9:51
  not
• 9:51
  because
• 9:51
  the
• 9:52
  teacher
• 9:52
  has
• 9:52
  a
• 9:53
  limitation,
• 9:54
  it's
• 9:54
  when
• 9:55
  they
• 9:55
  pretend
• 9:56
  they
• 9:56
  don't.
• 9:57
  Yeah.
• 9:58
  And
• 9:58
  they.
• 9:59
  And
• 9:59
  they
• 9:59
  Present
• 9:59
  that
• 10:00
  they
• 10:00
  got
• 10:00
  it
• 10:01
  all
• 10:01
  when
• 10:01
  they
• 10:02
  don't
• 10:02
  have
• 10:02
  it
• 10:02
  all.
• 10:03
  And
• 10:04
  they.
• 10:04
  They
• 10:04
  didn't
• 10:04
  acknowledge
• 10:05
  their
• 10:05
  sources.
• 10:06
  Like
• 10:07
  how
• 10:07
  I
• 10:07
  get
• 10:07
  around
• 10:07
  that.
• 10:07
  I'll
• 10:08
  say,
• 10:08
  Hameed
• 10:09
  told
• 10:09
  me,
• 10:09
  da,
• 10:10
  da,
• 10:10
  da,
• 10:10
  da,
• 10:10
  you
• 10:10
  know,
• 10:10
  and
• 10:11
  so
• 10:11
  I
• 10:12
  just
• 10:12
  acknowledge
• 10:13
  my
• 10:13
  sources
• 10:13
  and
• 10:13
  say,
• 10:13
  this
• 10:14
  is,
• 10:14
  you
• 10:14
  know,
• 10:14
  this
• 10:14
  is
• 10:14
  what
• 10:15
  I
• 10:15
  learned.
• 10:15
  Yeah.
• 10:16
  And
• 10:16
  to
• 10:16
  also
• 10:18
  acknowledge
• 10:19
  even
• 10:19
  myself,
• 10:20
  you
• 10:20
  know,
• 10:20
  regardless
• 10:21
  of
• 10:21
  what
• 10:21
  I
• 10:22
  know,
• 10:24
  when
• 10:24
  I
• 10:24
  teach
• 10:24
  about
• 10:25
  something,
• 10:25
  people
• 10:25
  ask
• 10:26
  me
• 10:26
  question,
• 10:27
  I
• 10:27
  could
• 10:27
  give
• 10:28
  them
• 10:28
  an
• 10:28
  answer
• 10:28
  and
• 10:29
  say,
• 10:29
  that's
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  teaching.
• 10:30
  Or
• 10:30
  I
• 10:30
  could
• 10:31
  give
• 10:31
  them
• 10:31
  an
• 10:31
  answer
• 10:31
  and
• 10:31
  tell
• 10:32
  them,
• 10:32
  I
• 10:32
  don't
• 10:33
  know
• 10:33
  this
• 10:33
  from
• 10:33
  experience.
• 10:34
  This
• 10:34
  is
• 10:35
  my
• 10:35
  sort
• 10:36
  of
• 10:36
  my
• 10:36
  construction,
• 10:37
  my
• 10:38
  own
• 10:38
  way
• 10:38
  of
• 10:38
  looking
• 10:39
  at
• 10:39
  it.
• 10:40
  So
• 10:40
  don't
• 10:40
  take
• 10:41
  it
• 10:41
  as
• 10:41
  a
• 10:41
  teaching.
• 10:42
  It's
• 10:42
  just
• 10:42
  a
• 10:42
  view.
• 10:43
  That's
• 10:43
  right.
• 10:44
  I
• 10:44
  make
• 10:44
  that
• 10:44
  distinction.
• 10:46
  You
• 10:46
  see,
• 10:47
  there
• 10:47
  is
• 10:47
  what
• 10:48
  is
• 10:48
  directly
• 10:49
  experienced
• 10:50
  and
• 10:50
  what
• 10:50
  does
• 10:51
  the
• 10:52
  mind
• 10:52
  makes
• 10:52
  of
• 10:52
  it.
• 10:54
  These
• 10:54
  are
• 10:54
  different
• 10:55
  things,
• 10:55
  you
• 10:55
  know?
• 10:56
  Yeah.
• 10:56
  The
• 10:56
  Apostle
• 10:57
  Paul
• 10:57
  said
• 10:57
  one
• 10:57
  time,
• 10:58
  he
• 10:58
  said,
• 10:58
  well,
• 10:58
  in
• 10:59
  talking
• 11:00
  about,
• 11:00
  I
• 11:00
  don't
• 11:00
  know,
• 11:00
  women
• 11:01
  shouldn't
• 11:01
  speak
• 11:01
  in
• 11:01
  the
• 11:02
  churches,
• 11:02
  he
• 11:02
  said,
• 11:02
  God
• 11:03
  didn't
• 11:03
  tell
• 11:03
  me
• 11:03
  this.
• 11:04
  Spirit
• 11:05
  didn't
• 11:05
  tell
• 11:05
  me
• 11:05
  this,
• 11:06
  but
• 11:06
  I'm
• 11:06
  pretty
• 11:06
  spiritual,
• 11:07
  and
• 11:07
  this
• 11:07
  is
• 11:08
  what
• 11:08
  I
• 11:08
  think.
• 11:08
  So
• 11:09
  he
• 11:09
  kind
• 11:09
  of
• 11:09
  distinguished,
• 11:10
  you
• 11:10
  know,
• 11:10
  I
• 11:11
  kind
• 11:11
  of
• 11:11
  respected
• 11:11
  that.
• 11:13
  Yeah,
• 11:14
  no,
• 11:14
  I'll.
• 11:14
  I'll
• 11:14
  wait
• 11:15
  for
• 11:15
  God
• 11:15
  to
• 11:15
  tell
• 11:15
  me.
• 11:16
  Okay.
• 11:18
  But
• 11:18
  he
• 11:18
  at
• 11:19
  least
• 11:19
  said,
• 11:19
  God
• 11:20
  didn't
• 11:20
  tell
• 11:20
  me
• 11:20
  this.
• 11:21
  Yeah,
• 11:21
  yeah.
• 11:22
  And
• 11:22
  Amit,
• 11:23
  you're
• 11:23
  pointing
• 11:23
  to
• 11:23
  a
• 11:23
  distinction
• 11:24
  that
• 11:25
  a
• 11:25
  number
• 11:25
  of
• 11:25
  traditions
• 11:26
  make
• 11:26
  between
• 11:26
  two
• 11:27
  kinds
• 11:27
  of
• 11:27
  capacities.
• 11:28
  Say
• 11:29
  in
• 11:29
  Buddhism,
• 11:30
  prajna,
• 11:30
  which
• 11:30
  is
• 11:31
  the
• 11:31
  transcendent
• 11:32
  insight
• 11:32
  into
• 11:34
  the
• 11:34
  transcendent,
• 11:35
  and
• 11:35
  upya,
• 11:36
  which
• 11:36
  is
• 11:36
  skillful,
• 11:37
  means
• 11:37
  skill
• 11:37
  in
• 11:37
  teaching
• 11:38
  and
• 11:39
  very
• 11:39
  clear.
• 11:39
  They
• 11:40
  not
• 11:41
  always
• 11:42
  very
• 11:43
  highly
• 11:43
  correlated.
• 11:45
  Exactly.
• 11:45
  Yes,
• 11:46
  that's
• 11:46
  true.
• 11:47
  Realization
• 11:49
  does
• 11:49
  not
• 11:49
  mean
• 11:50
  you're
• 11:50
  skillful.
• 11:51
  Some
• 11:51
  people
• 11:52
  I
• 11:52
  have,
• 11:52
  some
• 11:53
  of
• 11:53
  my
• 11:53
  students
• 11:53
  are
• 11:54
  very
• 11:54
  highly
• 11:55
  developed.
• 11:55
  They
• 11:55
  don't
• 11:56
  know
• 11:56
  how
• 11:56
  to
• 11:56
  teach.
• 11:58
  They're
• 11:58
  not
• 11:58
  necessarily
• 11:59
  good
• 11:59
  teachers.
• 12:00
  Even
• 12:01
  when
• 12:01
  I
• 12:01
  had
• 12:01
  people
• 12:02
  teach,
• 12:02
  you
• 12:02
  can
• 12:02
  create
• 12:03
  teams
• 12:03
  of
• 12:03
  teachers.
• 12:04
  Some
• 12:05
  of
• 12:05
  them
• 12:05
  teach
• 12:06
  better
• 12:06
  than
• 12:06
  others.
• 12:07
  Although
• 12:07
  their
• 12:07
  realization
• 12:08
  is
• 12:08
  similar,
• 12:09
  some
• 12:09
  of
• 12:09
  them
• 12:10
  have
• 12:10
  a
• 12:10
  facility
• 12:11
  and
• 12:12
  some
• 12:12
  of
• 12:12
  it
• 12:12
  cannot
• 12:13
  be
• 12:13
  taught.
• 12:13
  Really.
• 12:14
  I
• 12:14
  try
• 12:14
  to
• 12:15
  teach.
• 12:15
  How
• 12:15
  do
• 12:16
  I
• 12:16
  teach
• 12:16
  them
• 12:16
  how?
• 12:17
  There
• 12:18
  are
• 12:18
  things
• 12:18
  I
• 12:18
  can
• 12:18
  teach
• 12:19
  them
• 12:19
  something.
• 12:20
  They
• 12:20
  just
• 12:20
  have
• 12:20
  to
• 12:21
  have
• 12:21
  it.
• 12:25
  I'd
• 12:26
  love
• 12:26
  to
• 12:26
  go
• 12:26
  back
• 12:26
  to
• 12:27
  a
• 12:27
  couple
• 12:28
  of
• 12:28
  topics
• 12:28
  we've
• 12:28
  touched
• 12:29
  on
• 12:30
  which
• 12:30
  feel
• 12:31
  really
• 12:31
  important
• 12:32
  to
• 12:33
  expression
• 12:34
  of
• 12:34
  the
• 12:35
  path
• 12:35
  of
• 12:35
  descent.
• 12:36
  First,
• 12:37
  John
• 12:37
  raised
• 12:38
  before
• 12:39
  this
• 12:39
  beautiful
• 12:40
  point
• 12:40
  that
• 12:41
  once
• 12:42
  there's
• 12:42
  a
• 12:43
  recognition
• 12:43
  of
• 12:45
  the
• 12:45
  absolute
• 12:46
  or
• 12:46
  I
• 12:46
  think,
• 12:47
  any
• 12:47
  of
• 12:47
  the
• 12:47
  boundless
• 12:48
  dimensions,
• 12:49
  and
• 12:49
  then
• 12:51
  life
• 12:51
  experiences
• 12:54
  become
• 12:55
  the
• 12:55
  arena
• 12:55
  for
• 12:56
  expression
• 12:57
  of
• 12:57
  spirit,
• 12:59
  and
• 12:59
  former
• 13:00
  obstacles
• 13:01
  now
• 13:01
  become
• 13:01
  opportunities.
• 13:03
  And
• 13:04
  along
• 13:05
  with
• 13:05
  that,
• 13:06
  your
• 13:06
  discussion
• 13:07
  of
• 13:08
  the
• 13:08
  Point
• 13:09
  of
• 13:09
  this
• 13:10
  very
• 13:10
  important
• 13:11
  recognition
• 13:12
  which
• 13:12
  as
• 13:12
  you
• 13:13
  said
• 13:13
  is
• 13:13
  central
• 13:13
  to
• 13:14
  the
• 13:14
  diamond
• 13:14
  approach
• 13:15
  that
• 13:16
  what
• 13:17
  we're
• 13:17
  called
• 13:17
  to
• 13:18
  do
• 13:18
  is
• 13:19
  to
• 13:19
  recognize
• 13:20
  the
• 13:21
  spiritual
• 13:22
  or
• 13:22
  the
• 13:23
  certain
• 13:23
  dimensions,
• 13:24
  ideally
• 13:24
  the
• 13:25
  absolute
• 13:26
  as
• 13:27
  the
• 13:27
  foundation
• 13:27
  of
• 13:28
  experience.
• 13:29
  And
• 13:29
  simply
• 13:29
  to
• 13:30
  abide
• 13:30
  as
• 13:30
  that,
• 13:31
  to
• 13:31
  rest
• 13:32
  as
• 13:32
  that.
• 13:33
  And
• 13:33
  I
• 13:33
  have
• 13:33
  to.
• 13:34
  I'll
• 13:34
  just
• 13:34
  to
• 13:35
  throw
• 13:35
  in
• 13:35
  a
• 13:35
  personal
• 13:35
  experience
• 13:36
  when
• 13:36
  I
• 13:36
  was
• 13:37
  reading
• 13:38
  this
• 13:38
  section
• 13:39
  about
• 13:40
  the.
• 13:41
  The
• 13:41
  lack
• 13:41
  of
• 13:41
  necessity
• 13:42
  to
• 13:42
  do
• 13:42
  anything
• 13:43
  with
• 13:43
  our
• 13:43
  experience
• 13:44
  except
• 13:44
  recognize
• 13:45
  it
• 13:46
  its
• 13:46
  true
• 13:46
  nature.
• 13:47
  And
• 13:47
  to
• 13:48
  simply
• 13:48
  abide
• 13:48
  at
• 13:49
  it
• 13:49
  and
• 13:49
  to
• 13:49
  recognize
• 13:50
  this
• 13:50
  is
• 13:51
  the.
• 13:51
  This
• 13:51
  is
• 13:51
  the
• 13:51
  absolute
• 13:52
  expressing
• 13:53
  ourselves
• 13:54
  itself.
• 13:55
  Ourselves
• 13:55
  too.
• 13:56
  And
• 13:57
  that
• 13:57
  we're
• 13:57
  not
• 13:58
  called
• 13:58
  to
• 13:58
  do
• 13:58
  anything.
• 13:58
  There's
• 13:59
  a
• 13:59
  goalless.
• 14:00
  Simply
• 14:00
  a
• 14:01
  goalless
• 14:01
  inquiry
• 14:02
  into
• 14:02
  it
• 14:03
  that
• 14:03
  was
• 14:04
  enormously
• 14:05
  free.
• 14:05
  I
• 14:05
  just
• 14:06
  sat
• 14:06
  in
• 14:06
  my
• 14:06
  chair
• 14:07
  for
• 14:07
  half
• 14:07
  an
• 14:07
  hour
• 14:07
  just
• 14:08
  releasing
• 14:09
  and
• 14:09
  relaxing
• 14:10
  into
• 14:10
  that.
• 14:11
  Yeah,
• 14:12
  that's
• 14:12
  true.
• 14:14
  I
• 14:14
  mean
• 14:15
  for
• 14:16
  many
• 14:16
  teachings
• 14:17
  that
• 14:18
  has
• 14:18
  arrived
• 14:18
  at
• 14:19
  the
• 14:19
  end
• 14:19
  of
• 14:19
  the
• 14:19
  path
• 14:21
  which
• 14:21
  is
• 14:22
  you
• 14:23
  just
• 14:23
  live
• 14:23
  with
• 14:23
  it.
• 14:25
  This
• 14:25
  teaching
• 14:26
  we
• 14:26
  use
• 14:27
  it
• 14:27
  as
• 14:27
  a
• 14:27
  methodology
• 14:28
  right
• 14:28
  away
• 14:29
  from
• 14:29
  the
• 14:29
  beginning.
• 14:30
  I
• 14:30
  try
• 14:30
  to
• 14:31
  teach
• 14:31
  it
• 14:31
  not
• 14:32
  easy
• 14:32
  for
• 14:33
  people
• 14:33
  to
• 14:33
  do.
• 14:34
  Take
• 14:34
  them
• 14:35
  a
• 14:35
  while
• 14:35
  to
• 14:35
  sort
• 14:36
  of
• 14:36
  get
• 14:36
  into
• 14:36
  the
• 14:36
  mode
• 14:37
  I
• 14:37
  don't
• 14:37
  have
• 14:37
  to
• 14:37
  do
• 14:38
  anything
• 14:38
  to
• 14:38
  my
• 14:38
  experience.
• 14:40
  The
• 14:41
  letter
• 14:41
  being
• 14:42
  it
• 14:42
  has
• 14:42
  its
• 14:43
  own
• 14:43
  dynamism,
• 14:44
  its
• 14:44
  own
• 14:44
  intelligence
• 14:45
  to
• 14:45
  reveal.
• 14:47
  So
• 14:47
  all
• 14:47
  of
• 14:47
  it
• 14:47
  is
• 14:48
  an
• 14:48
  expression
• 14:48
  of
• 14:48
  our
• 14:49
  true
• 14:49
  nature.
• 14:50
  And
• 14:50
  we
• 14:50
  just.
• 14:51
  Because
• 14:52
  when
• 14:52
  we
• 14:52
  do
• 14:52
  something,
• 14:53
  we
• 14:53
  resist,
• 14:53
  we
• 14:54
  push,
• 14:54
  we
• 14:54
  pull,
• 14:55
  we
• 14:55
  confine.
• 14:56
  We
• 14:56
  do
• 14:56
  all
• 14:56
  kind
• 14:57
  of
• 14:57
  things
• 14:57
  that
• 14:58
  we
• 14:58
  don't
• 14:58
  know
• 14:58
  about.
• 14:59
  And
• 15:00
  this
• 15:00
  actually
• 15:00
  goes
• 15:01
  along
• 15:02
  with
• 15:04
  the
• 15:04
  Kunji
• 15:05
  Jabba,
• 15:06
  the
• 15:06
  initial
• 15:08
  Dzog
• 15:08
  Sempak
• 15:12
  that
• 15:13
  said
• 15:13
  any
• 15:14
  practice
• 15:15
  is
• 15:15
  delaying
• 15:17
  the
• 15:17
  enlightenment.
• 15:19
  Wow.
• 15:20
  I
• 15:20
  think
• 15:20
  translated
• 15:21
  as
• 15:21
  the
• 15:22
  supreme
• 15:22
  Source.
• 15:23
  Yeah
• 15:23
  yeah.
• 15:23
  The
• 15:24
  supreme
• 15:24
  Source.
• 15:25
  If
• 15:25
  you
• 15:25
  do
• 15:25
  any.
• 15:26
  And
• 15:26
  that
• 15:26
  actually
• 15:26
  goes
• 15:27
  along
• 15:27
  how.
• 15:27
  Which
• 15:28
  practice
• 15:28
  how
• 15:29
  many
• 15:29
  in
• 15:29
  lifetime
• 15:30
  delays
• 15:30
  you
• 15:33
  which
• 15:33
  of
• 15:34
  course
• 15:34
  after
• 15:34
  Zocchin
• 15:35
  took
• 15:35
  that
• 15:35
  they
• 15:36
  wouldn't
• 15:36
  do
• 15:36
  anything
• 15:38
  but
• 15:38
  that
• 15:38
  pointing
• 15:39
  to
• 15:39
  this
• 15:39
  point
• 15:40
  which
• 15:40
  is
• 15:41
  that
• 15:42
  if
• 15:42
  we
• 15:42
  don't
• 15:43
  interfere,
• 15:43
  things
• 15:43
  happen
• 15:44
  by
• 15:44
  themselves.
• 15:46
  It
• 15:46
  is
• 15:46
  of
• 15:46
  the
• 15:46
  nature
• 15:47
  of
• 15:47
  reality,
• 15:47
  that
• 15:48
  reality
• 15:48
  that
• 15:49
  wants
• 15:49
  to
• 15:49
  reveal
• 15:49
  itself.
• 15:51
  So
• 15:51
  when
• 15:52
  we
• 15:53
  usually
• 15:54
  in
• 15:54
  our
• 15:54
  ordinary
• 15:55
  experience
• 15:55
  we're
• 15:55
  obstructing
• 15:56
  it
• 15:56
  because
• 15:56
  we
• 15:57
  identifying
• 15:58
  and
• 15:58
  believing
• 15:59
  ourselves
• 15:59
  and
• 16:00
  reality
• 16:00
  and
• 16:00
  that
• 16:01
  become
• 16:01
  quite
• 16:02
  a
• 16:02
  big
• 16:02
  abstraction
• 16:03
  that
• 16:03
  we
• 16:03
  call
• 16:04
  the
• 16:04
  ego.
• 16:05
  But
• 16:05
  even
• 16:05
  as
• 16:05
  we
• 16:06
  practice,
• 16:06
  if
• 16:07
  our
• 16:07
  practice
• 16:07
  is
• 16:08
  oriented
• 16:08
  toward
• 16:08
  making
• 16:09
  something
• 16:09
  happen,
• 16:11
  then
• 16:12
  that
• 16:12
  is
• 16:12
  interference
• 16:13
  and
• 16:13
  can
• 16:14
  actually
• 16:14
  delay
• 16:14
  things.
• 16:16
  You
• 16:16
  know,
• 16:17
  I
• 16:17
  know
• 16:17
  there
• 16:17
  are
• 16:17
  many
• 16:17
  teachings
• 16:18
  who
• 16:18
  develop
• 16:18
  many
• 16:19
  methods
• 16:19
  that
• 16:20
  very
• 16:20
  powerful
• 16:20
  all
• 16:21
  of
• 16:21
  that.
• 16:22
  But
• 16:22
  I
• 16:23
  in
• 16:23
  my.
• 16:23
  In
• 16:24
  this
• 16:24
  teaching
• 16:25
  I
• 16:25
  take
• 16:25
  that
• 16:26
  idea
• 16:27
  that
• 16:27
  perspective
• 16:28
  from
• 16:28
  the
• 16:28
  beginning
• 16:29
  which
• 16:29
  is
• 16:30
  not
• 16:31
  saying
• 16:32
  not
• 16:32
  to
• 16:32
  practice,
• 16:33
  but
• 16:33
  that
• 16:34
  the
• 16:34
  practice
• 16:35
  is
• 16:37
  to
• 16:38
  be
• 16:38
  with
• 16:38
  experience
• 16:39
  without
• 16:39
  doing
• 16:40
  anything
• 16:40
  to
• 16:40
  it.
• 16:41
  To
• 16:41
  let
• 16:42
  it
• 16:42
  inform
• 16:42
  us
• 16:43
  to
• 16:43
  not
• 16:43
  Just
• 16:43
  tell
• 16:43
  us
• 16:44
  and
• 16:44
  let
• 16:44
  it
• 16:44
  change
• 16:45
  on
• 16:45
  its
• 16:45
  own.
• 16:46
  Yeah,
• 16:47
  all
• 16:47
  that
• 16:47
  happened,
• 16:48
  all
• 16:48
  our
• 16:49
  part,
• 16:49
  is
• 16:50
  we
• 16:50
  pay
• 16:50
  attention
• 16:51
  instead
• 16:52
  of
• 16:52
  being
• 16:52
  distracted.
• 16:54
  You
• 16:54
  know,
• 16:54
  instead
• 16:55
  of
• 16:55
  resisting.
• 16:56
  If
• 16:56
  we
• 16:56
  recognize
• 16:56
  our
• 16:57
  resistance,
• 16:58
  it
• 16:58
  help
• 16:59
  us
• 16:59
  not
• 17:00
  identify
• 17:01
  with
• 17:01
  it,
• 17:03
  but
• 17:04
  to
• 17:05
  be
• 17:05
  with
• 17:05
  it
• 17:06
  and
• 17:06
  attend
• 17:07
  to
• 17:07
  it,
• 17:08
  and
• 17:08
  even
• 17:08
  at
• 17:09
  some
• 17:09
  point,
• 17:09
  attending
• 17:10
  to
• 17:10
  it
• 17:10
  is
• 17:10
  not
• 17:11
  an
• 17:11
  action
• 17:12
  becomes
• 17:13
  natural.
• 17:14
  In
• 17:14
  fact,
• 17:14
  in
• 17:14
  many
• 17:15
  of
• 17:15
  the
• 17:15
  practices
• 17:15
  I
• 17:16
  teach
• 17:16
  my
• 17:17
  students
• 17:18
  are
• 17:18
  ways
• 17:18
  to
• 17:21
  discipline
• 17:22
  attention,
• 17:23
  to
• 17:23
  pay
• 17:24
  attention,
• 17:25
  to
• 17:25
  stay
• 17:25
  focused,
• 17:26
  to
• 17:26
  be
• 17:26
  able
• 17:27
  to
• 17:27
  not
• 17:27
  be
• 17:28
  distracted.
• 17:28
  These
• 17:29
  are
• 17:29
  the
• 17:29
  practices
• 17:30
  I
• 17:30
  don't
• 17:30
  teach
• 17:30
  them
• 17:30
  to
• 17:30
  make
• 17:31
  an
• 17:31
  exciting
• 17:31
  experience
• 17:32
  happen.
• 17:32
  I
• 17:33
  teach
• 17:33
  them
• 17:33
  how
• 17:34
  the
• 17:34
  discipline
• 17:35
  of
• 17:35
  practice
• 17:36
  and
• 17:37
  then
• 17:37
  let
• 17:38
  things
• 17:38
  happen.
• 17:41
  And
• 17:41
  you
• 17:41
  make
• 17:42
  two
• 17:42
  really
• 17:42
  important
• 17:43
  points
• 17:43
  about
• 17:44
  this,
• 17:44
  Sunid.
• 17:44
  But
• 17:45
  in
• 17:45
  simply
• 17:45
  allowing
• 17:46
  experience
• 17:47
  to
• 17:47
  be,
• 17:48
  that
• 17:49
  is
• 17:49
  the
• 17:49
  condition
• 17:50
  which
• 17:51
  allows
• 17:51
  the
• 17:51
  creative
• 17:52
  dynamism
• 17:53
  of
• 17:54
  the
• 17:54
  absolute
• 17:55
  to
• 17:56
  manifest
• 17:57
  most
• 17:57
  effectively
• 17:58
  and
• 17:59
  beautifully
• 18:00
  and
• 18:01
  creatively.
• 18:02
  So
• 18:02
  that's
• 18:02
  the
• 18:03
  first
• 18:03
  implication
• 18:03
  you
• 18:04
  draw
• 18:04
  on.
• 18:04
  The
• 18:04
  second
• 18:05
  is
• 18:05
  about
• 18:06
  a
• 18:06
  kind
• 18:06
  of
• 18:07
  freedom.
• 18:08
  And
• 18:08
  I
• 18:08
  think
• 18:08
  one
• 18:08
  of
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  key
• 18:10
  implications
• 18:11
  you
• 18:11
  offer,
• 18:12
  particularly
• 18:13
  as
• 18:13
  you
• 18:13
  talk
• 18:13
  to
• 18:14
  the
• 18:14
  various
• 18:14
  turnings
• 18:15
  in
• 18:15
  your
• 18:15
  own
• 18:16
  path
• 18:16
  and
• 18:17
  tradition
• 18:17
  and
• 18:17
  of
• 18:18
  the
• 18:18
  diamond
• 18:18
  approach
• 18:19
  that
• 18:20
  we've
• 18:20
  tended
• 18:20
  to
• 18:21
  think
• 18:21
  in
• 18:21
  the
• 18:21
  spiritual
• 18:22
  life
• 18:22
  there's
• 18:23
  one
• 18:23
  kind
• 18:23
  of
• 18:23
  freedom.
• 18:24
  But
• 18:24
  you
• 18:24
  point
• 18:25
  to,
• 18:25
  there
• 18:25
  are
• 18:25
  multiple
• 18:26
  kinds
• 18:26
  of
• 18:26
  freedom.
• 18:26
  And
• 18:26
  here
• 18:27
  you
• 18:27
  point
• 18:27
  to
• 18:28
  a
• 18:28
  freedom
• 18:29
  of
• 18:29
  simply
• 18:30
  not
• 18:31
  a
• 18:31
  particular
• 18:31
  state
• 18:32
  or
• 18:32
  a
• 18:32
  particular
• 18:33
  realization,
• 18:34
  but
• 18:34
  of
• 18:35
  a
• 18:35
  freedom
• 18:35
  of
• 18:36
  being
• 18:36
  able
• 18:36
  to
• 18:37
  just
• 18:37
  allow
• 18:39
  being
• 18:39
  to
• 18:40
  be
• 18:40
  and
• 18:41
  unfold.
• 18:42
  Yeah,
• 18:43
  that's
• 18:44
  very
• 18:44
  true.
• 18:45
  If
• 18:45
  we
• 18:45
  manage,
• 18:46
  if
• 18:46
  we
• 18:46
  get
• 18:47
  to
• 18:47
  the
• 18:47
  place
• 18:47
  we
• 18:48
  learned
• 18:48
  enough,
• 18:49
  become
• 18:49
  mature
• 18:50
  enough
• 18:51
  to
• 18:52
  cease
• 18:52
  and
• 18:52
  desist,
• 18:54
  to
• 18:54
  let
• 18:55
  reality
• 18:56
  take
• 18:56
  its
• 18:56
  course,
• 18:57
  you
• 18:58
  see,
• 18:58
  it
• 18:58
  will
• 18:59
  manifest,
• 18:59
  and
• 18:59
  it
• 19:00
  will
• 19:00
  manifest
• 19:00
  even
• 19:01
  our
• 19:01
  action
• 19:02
  in
• 19:03
  our
• 19:03
  choices,
• 19:03
  whatever.
• 19:04
  So
• 19:05
  it's
• 19:05
  not
• 19:05
  like
• 19:05
  we're
• 19:06
  not
• 19:06
  responsible
• 19:07
  in
• 19:07
  our
• 19:07
  life.
• 19:08
  Responsibility
• 19:09
  become
• 19:09
  a
• 19:09
  natural,
• 19:10
  spontaneous
• 19:10
  thing.
• 19:11
  Responsibility,
• 19:12
  ethics,
• 19:13
  morality
• 19:15
  and
• 19:15
  a
• 19:15
  compassion,
• 19:16
  caring,
• 19:16
  sensitivity,
• 19:18
  all
• 19:18
  of
• 19:18
  these
• 19:19
  are
• 19:19
  expression
• 19:20
  of
• 19:20
  our
• 19:20
  true
• 19:21
  nature.
• 19:21
  They're
• 19:21
  not
• 19:22
  really
• 19:23
  human
• 19:23
  made.
• 19:24
  And
• 19:25
  when
• 19:25
  we're
• 19:26
  out
• 19:26
  of
• 19:26
  the
• 19:26
  way,
• 19:27
  that's
• 19:27
  what
• 19:27
  comes
• 19:28
  through.
• 19:28
  That's
• 19:28
  what
• 19:29
  the
• 19:29
  true
• 19:29
  human
• 19:29
  is.
• 19:30
  It's
• 19:31
  when
• 19:31
  somebody
• 19:31
  is
• 19:32
  in
• 19:32
  the
• 19:32
  way.
• 19:32
  They
• 19:33
  have
• 19:33
  their
• 19:33
  own
• 19:33
  belief,
• 19:33
  their
• 19:34
  own
• 19:34
  ideology,
• 19:34
  their
• 19:35
  own
• 19:35
  politics,
• 19:35
  and
• 19:36
  they
• 19:36
  don't
• 19:36
  want
• 19:36
  to
• 19:37
  fight
• 19:37
  for
• 19:37
  it.
• 19:38
  That's
• 19:39
  when
• 19:39
  trouble
• 19:39
  happens.
• 19:41
  My
• 19:41
  practice
• 19:42
  certainly
• 19:42
  has
• 19:43
  been
• 19:43
  more
• 19:43
  under
• 19:44
  the
• 19:44
  influence
• 19:44
  of
• 19:44
  our
• 19:45
  conversations
• 19:45
  that
• 19:46
  we
• 19:46
  have.
• 19:46
  It's
• 19:46
  been
• 19:46
  much
• 19:47
  more
• 19:47
  about
• 19:47
  surrender.
• 19:48
  When
• 19:48
  I
• 19:48
  do
• 19:48
  my
• 19:48
  sitting,
• 19:49
  you
• 19:49
  know,
• 19:50
  I'm
• 19:51
  not
• 19:51
  trying
• 19:51
  to
• 19:51
  achieve
• 19:52
  anything.
• 19:52
  I'm
• 19:52
  just
• 19:52
  surrendering
• 19:53
  and
• 19:53
  saying,
• 19:53
  okay,
• 19:54
  here
• 19:54
  I
• 19:54
  am.
• 19:55
  Hi,
• 19:55
  God.
• 19:56
  And
• 19:56
  whatever
• 19:57
  happens,
• 19:57
  happens.
• 19:58
  That's
• 19:58
  the
• 19:58
  practice
• 19:59
  of
• 19:59
  the
• 20:00
  kunji
• 20:01
  jab,
• 20:01
  the
• 20:02
  supreme
• 20:02
  book,
• 20:02
  as
• 20:04
  I
• 20:04
  mentioned
• 20:05
  in
• 20:05
  the
• 20:05
  doctrine,
• 20:06
  which
• 20:06
  is,
• 20:07
  what
• 20:07
  do
• 20:07
  you
• 20:07
  do
• 20:07
  then?
• 20:08
  What's
• 20:08
  the
• 20:08
  practice,
• 20:09
  if
• 20:09
  any
• 20:10
  practice
• 20:10
  delays
• 20:11
  you,
• 20:11
  what
• 20:11
  do
• 20:11
  you
• 20:11
  do?
• 20:12
  That's
• 20:13
  the
• 20:13
  question.
• 20:13
  That's
• 20:14
  it.
• 20:14
  You
• 20:14
  sit
• 20:15
  and
• 20:15
  do
• 20:15
  nothing.
• 20:16
  I
• 20:17
  call
• 20:17
  non
• 20:18
  doing
• 20:18
  meditation.
• 20:19
  I
• 20:20
  remember
• 20:20
  I
• 20:21
  was
• 20:21
  taught
• 20:21
  this
• 20:21
  actually
• 20:22
  by
• 20:23
  one
• 20:23
  of
• 20:23
  the
• 20:23
  lamas
• 20:24
  who
• 20:24
  part
• 20:25
  of
• 20:25
  that
• 20:25
  tradition,
• 20:26
  the
• 20:27
  way
• 20:27
  he
• 20:27
  did
• 20:27
  it.
• 20:28
  We're
• 20:28
  in
• 20:28
  a
• 20:28
  group
• 20:29
  of
• 20:29
  us,
• 20:29
  I
• 20:29
  don't
• 20:29
  know,
• 20:31
  60
• 20:32
  or
• 20:32
  70
• 20:32
  of
• 20:32
  us.
• 20:33
  They
• 20:33
  were
• 20:33
  teaching
• 20:33
  us
• 20:33
  for
• 20:34
  a
• 20:34
  whole
• 20:34
  summer.
• 20:35
  And
• 20:36
  he
• 20:36
  sat
• 20:37
  and
• 20:37
  he
• 20:37
  said,
• 20:37
  okay,
• 20:38
  you
• 20:38
  sit
• 20:38
  down
• 20:39
  and
• 20:39
  meditate.
• 20:40
  Everybody
• 20:40
  sat
• 20:41
  down
• 20:41
  waiting
• 20:41
  for
• 20:41
  the
• 20:41
  instruction.
• 20:43
  Half
• 20:43
  an
• 20:43
  hour
• 20:44
  passed
• 20:44
  and
• 20:45
  he
• 20:45
  said,
• 20:46
  then
• 20:46
  people
• 20:47
  said,
• 20:47
  what's
• 20:47
  the
• 20:47
  instruction?
• 20:49
  He
• 20:49
  said,
• 20:50
  I
• 20:50
  gave
• 20:50
  you
• 20:51
  the
• 20:51
  instruction.
• 20:51
  That
• 20:51
  was
• 20:52
  it.
• 20:54
  I
• 20:54
  didn't
• 20:54
  say
• 20:55
  you
• 20:55
  should
• 20:55
  do
• 20:55
  anything.
• 20:56
  And
• 20:57
  that
• 20:57
  was
• 20:57
  the
• 20:57
  most
• 20:57
  difficult
• 20:58
  thing
• 20:58
  for
• 20:58
  people
• 20:59
  to
• 20:59
  understand.
• 21:01
  They
• 21:01
  liked
• 21:02
  him
• 21:02
  giving
• 21:02
  the
• 21:03
  visualization.
• 21:04
  Do
• 21:04
  something
• 21:05
  with
• 21:05
  your
• 21:05
  tongue,
• 21:06
  with
• 21:06
  your
• 21:06
  I.
• 21:07
  Oh,
• 21:07
  he
• 21:07
  did
• 21:07
  all
• 21:07
  of
• 21:08
  that,
• 21:08
  but
• 21:08
  that
• 21:09
  one
• 21:09
  was
• 21:09
  the
• 21:10
  Nanduk
• 21:11
  one.
• 21:11
  There's
• 21:12
  simply.
• 21:12
  He
• 21:13
  didn't
• 21:13
  say
• 21:13
  they
• 21:13
  won't
• 21:14
  be
• 21:14
  in
• 21:14
  striking.
• 21:15
  He
• 21:15
  just
• 21:15
  didn't
• 21:15
  say
• 21:15
  anything.
• 21:17
  Not
• 21:18
  there,
• 21:18
  meditating
• 21:19
  left
• 21:19
  us.
• 21:21
  But
• 21:21
  he's
• 21:21
  waiting.
• 21:23
  What
• 21:23
  is
• 21:23
  it
• 21:23
  going
• 21:24
  to
• 21:24
  be?
• 21:24
  He
• 21:24
  already
• 21:24
  gave
• 21:25
  it
• 21:25
  by
• 21:25
  sitting
• 21:26
  there.
• 21:27
  And
• 21:28
  Zinn
• 21:28
  does
• 21:28
  that
• 21:29
  so
• 21:29
  beautifully.
• 21:30
  Whether
• 21:30
  you
• 21:30
  sit
• 21:31
  in
• 21:31
  a
• 21:31
  so
• 21:32
  called
• 21:32
  shikantaza,
• 21:33
  the
• 21:33
  instruction
• 21:34
  is,
• 21:34
  which
• 21:34
  is
• 21:35
  translated
• 21:35
  as
• 21:36
  just
• 21:36
  sitting.
• 21:36
  And
• 21:37
  the
• 21:37
  only
• 21:37
  instruction
• 21:38
  is
• 21:38
  just
• 21:38
  sit.
• 21:39
  Well,
• 21:39
  wait
• 21:39
  on.
• 21:39
  Should
• 21:40
  I
• 21:40
  do
• 21:40
  this?
• 21:40
  No,
• 21:40
  just
• 21:40
  sit.
• 21:41
  Should
• 21:41
  I?
• 21:43
  It
• 21:43
  just
• 21:43
  undercuts
• 21:44
  all
• 21:45
  doing
• 21:45
  from
• 21:46
  the
• 21:46
  mind
• 21:46
  in
• 21:46
  a
• 21:46
  very
• 21:47
  beautiful
• 21:47
  way.
• 21:48
  And
• 21:48
  actually
• 21:49
  this
• 21:49
  connects
• 21:50
  with
• 21:50
  what
• 21:50
  you're
• 21:51
  saying.
• 21:51
  You
• 21:51
  say
• 21:52
  in
• 21:52
  the
• 21:52
  book
• 21:52
  Hameed,
• 21:53
  that
• 21:53
  this
• 21:53
  non
• 21:54
  doing
• 21:55
  is
• 21:56
  both
• 21:56
  predicated
• 21:57
  on
• 21:58
  and
• 21:59
  cultivates
• 22:00
  a
• 22:00
  non
• 22:00
  attachment
• 22:01
  to
• 22:02
  any
• 22:02
  kind
• 22:02
  of
• 22:03
  experience,
• 22:03
  even
• 22:04
  the
• 22:04
  most
• 22:04
  transcendent
• 22:05
  and
• 22:05
  profound.
• 22:06
  It
• 22:06
  dissolves
• 22:07
  all
• 22:08
  preferences.
• 22:09
  And
• 22:09
  it
• 22:10
  actually
• 22:10
  reminds
• 22:11
  me
• 22:11
  of
• 22:11
  the
• 22:11
  beautiful
• 22:12
  lines
• 22:12
  from
• 22:12
  the
• 22:13
  exquisite
• 22:14
  thirds
• 22:14
  in
• 22:14
  Patriarch,
• 22:15
  which
• 22:15
  has
• 22:15
  to
• 22:15
  be
• 22:16
  one
• 22:16
  of
• 22:16
  the
• 22:16
  most
• 22:16
  condensed
• 22:17
  bits
• 22:17
  of
• 22:17
  wisdom
• 22:17
  to
• 22:18
  ever
• 22:18
  hit
• 22:18
  the
• 22:18
  planet.
• 22:19
  It
• 22:19
  begins
• 22:20
  with
• 22:20
  the
• 22:20
  lines,
• 22:21
  the
• 22:21
  great
• 22:21
  way
• 22:21
  is
• 22:22
  not
• 22:22
  difficult
• 22:23
  for
• 22:23
  those
• 22:23
  who
• 22:24
  have
• 22:24
  no
• 22:24
  preferences.
• 22:27
  Very
• 22:27
  true.
• 22:28
  Yes.
• 22:29
  Well,
• 22:29
  that's
• 22:29
  liberating,
• 22:30
  you
• 22:30
  know,
• 22:30
  because
• 22:31
  I
• 22:31
  realized
• 22:32
  that
• 22:32
  I
• 22:32
  can't
• 22:32
  do
• 22:32
  it,
• 22:33
  you
• 22:33
  know,
• 22:34
  so
• 22:35
  I
• 22:35
  just
• 22:36
  open
• 22:36
  up
• 22:36
  and
• 22:37
  let
• 22:37
  grace
• 22:38
  happen,
• 22:38
  you
• 22:38
  know,
• 22:39
  how
• 22:39
  not.
• 22:39
  To
• 22:40
  give
• 22:40
  up
• 22:40
  but
• 22:40
  not
• 22:41
  to
• 22:41
  try.
• 22:42
  That's.
• 22:42
  That's
• 22:42
  it.
• 22:43
  And
• 22:43
  Roger,
• 22:44
  you're
• 22:44
  a
• 22:44
  three
• 22:44
  on
• 22:44
  the
• 22:44
  Enneagram.
• 22:45
  So
• 22:45
  you
• 22:46
  know,
• 22:46
  threes
• 22:46
  are
• 22:46
  just
• 22:46
  achievers
• 22:47
  and
• 22:47
  workers
• 22:47
  and
• 22:48
  I
• 22:48
  mean,
• 22:48
  this
• 22:49
  guy's
• 22:49
  got
• 22:49
  so
• 22:49
  much
• 22:49
  discipline
• 22:50
  in
• 22:50
  his
• 22:50
  life
• 22:51
  for
• 22:51
  decades
• 22:52
  now.
• 22:52
  There
• 22:52
  has
• 22:53
  to
• 22:53
  be
• 22:53
  some
• 22:53
  sort
• 22:54
  of
• 22:54
  liberation
• 22:54
  or,
• 22:55
  I
• 22:55
  don't
• 22:55
  know,
• 22:56
  frustration
• 22:56
  or
• 22:56
  disappointment
• 22:57
  to
• 22:57
  realize
• 22:58
  that
• 22:58
  you
• 22:59
  can't
• 22:59
  and
• 22:59
  you
• 22:59
  don't
• 23:00
  have
• 23:00
  to
• 23:00
  do
• 23:00
  it,
• 23:00
  you
• 23:01
  just
• 23:01
  have
• 23:01
  to
• 23:03
  let
• 23:03
  it
• 23:03
  Happen.
• 23:03
  I
• 23:04
  wouldn't
• 23:04
  call
• 23:04
  it
• 23:04
  frustration.
• 23:05
  I
• 23:05
  would
• 23:05
  call
• 23:05
  it
• 23:06
  relief
• 23:06
  and
• 23:06
  liberation.
• 23:07
  Okay.
• 23:09
  Yeah.
• 23:09
  When
• 23:10
  you
• 23:10
  feel
• 23:10
  you
• 23:10
  don't
• 23:11
  need
• 23:11
  to
• 23:11
  do
• 23:11
  anything,
• 23:12
  just
• 23:13
  be
• 23:15
  it.
• 23:16
  Yeah.
• 23:17
  Relaxation,
• 23:18
  surrender,
• 23:18
  ease.
• 23:20
  And
• 23:20
  especially
• 23:21
  when
• 23:21
  true
• 23:21
  nature
• 23:22
  manifests
• 23:22
  and
• 23:22
  its
• 23:23
  richness
• 23:24
  and
• 23:24
  fullness
• 23:25
  and
• 23:25
  fulfills,
• 23:27
  you
• 23:27
  know,
• 23:28
  the
• 23:28
  fulfillment,
• 23:29
  the
• 23:29
  contentment,
• 23:30
  the
• 23:30
  completion,
• 23:31
  and
• 23:32
  on
• 23:33
  life
• 23:33
  become
• 23:33
  meta.
• 23:34
  Expressing
• 23:35
  that
• 23:36
  our
• 23:37
  everyday
• 23:37
  action
• 23:38
  and
• 23:38
  everyday
• 23:39
  action
• 23:39
  then
• 23:40
  is
• 23:40
  from
• 23:40
  the
• 23:40
  person
• 23:41
  of
• 23:41
  the
• 23:41
  Absolute.
• 23:42
  Everyday
• 23:42
  action
• 23:43
  has
• 23:44
  many
• 23:44
  ways
• 23:44
  of
• 23:45
  appearing,
• 23:46
  can
• 23:46
  appear
• 23:46
  as
• 23:48
  the
• 23:48
  Absolute,
• 23:49
  manifesting
• 23:50
  the
• 23:50
  world
• 23:50
  and
• 23:51
  the
• 23:51
  action
• 23:51
  in
• 23:52
  it,
• 23:52
  or
• 23:54
  can
• 23:54
  be
• 23:55
  the
• 23:56
  Absolute
• 23:57
  manifesting
• 23:58
  the
• 23:59
  world
• 24:00
  and
• 24:00
  manifesting
• 24:01
  the
• 24:01
  individual
• 24:01
  who
• 24:02
  takes
• 24:02
  action
• 24:03
  and
• 24:03
  the
• 24:03
  behest
• 24:04
  of
• 24:04
  the
• 24:04
  Absolute.
• 24:05
  What
• 24:05
  can
• 24:06
  manifest
• 24:06
  as
• 24:06
  an
• 24:07
  individual
• 24:08
  who
• 24:08
  has
• 24:08
  integrated
• 24:09
  the
• 24:09
  Absolute
• 24:10
  and
• 24:11
  expresses
• 24:12
  it
• 24:12
  in
• 24:12
  its
• 24:13
  own
• 24:13
  attitude
• 24:15
  and
• 24:15
  activities.
• 24:17
  And
• 24:17
  also
• 24:18
  one
• 24:19
  thing
• 24:19
  to
• 24:20
  say
• 24:21
  at
• 24:21
  this
• 24:21
  point,
• 24:22
  a
• 24:22
  point
• 24:22
  of
• 24:22
  caution
• 24:23
  that
• 24:23
  even
• 24:24
  as
• 24:25
  we
• 24:25
  go
• 24:25
  very
• 24:25
  deep,
• 24:26
  even
• 24:27
  in
• 24:27
  the
• 24:27
  journey
• 24:27
  of
• 24:27
  descent,
• 24:28
  there
• 24:28
  can
• 24:29
  still
• 24:29
  be
• 24:29
  obstruction,
• 24:30
  can
• 24:30
  still
• 24:31
  be
• 24:31
  ego
• 24:32
  island
• 24:33
  not
• 24:33
  worked
• 24:33
  out.
• 24:34
  That
• 24:35
  can
• 24:36
  become
• 24:36
  an
• 24:37
  obstacle
• 24:37
  or
• 24:38
  unclarity
• 24:39
  or
• 24:39
  a
• 24:39
  misunderstanding
• 24:40
  of
• 24:40
  something.
• 24:41
  And
• 24:42
  that
• 24:42
  is
• 24:42
  something
• 24:43
  I
• 24:43
  want
• 24:44
  to
• 24:44
  say
• 24:44
  to
• 24:44
  all
• 24:44
  the
• 24:45
  realized
• 24:45
  individual.
• 24:46
  You're
• 24:47
  not
• 24:47
  done.
• 24:49
  I'm
• 24:49
  sure
• 24:50
  for
• 24:50
  most
• 24:51
  of
• 24:51
  us
• 24:51
  there's
• 24:52
  still
• 24:52
  something
• 24:52
  there
• 24:53
  to
• 24:53
  be
• 24:54
  learned,
• 24:54
  to
• 24:55
  be
• 24:55
  free
• 24:55
  from.
• 24:56
  Because
• 24:57
  feeling
• 24:58
  the
• 24:58
  freedom
• 24:59
  and
• 24:59
  knowing
• 25:00
  consciousness,
• 25:01
  it
• 25:01
  doesn't
• 25:01
  mean
• 25:02
  we
• 25:02
  worked
• 25:02
  out
• 25:03
  every
• 25:03
  belief,
• 25:04
  every
• 25:04
  idea,
• 25:05
  every
• 25:05
  position,
• 25:06
  every
• 25:06
  concept.
• 25:07
  And
• 25:08
  you
• 25:08
  do
• 25:08
  need
• 25:08
  to
• 25:09
  work
• 25:09
  them
• 25:09
  out.
• 25:10
  That's
• 25:10
  the
• 25:10
  thing.
• 25:11
  Just
• 25:11
  knowing
• 25:12
  the
• 25:12
  absolute,
• 25:13
  knowing
• 25:13
  that
• 25:13
  you're
• 25:13
  aware,
• 25:14
  doesn't
• 25:15
  do
• 25:15
  it
• 25:15
  by
• 25:15
  itself.
• 25:16
  Does
• 25:16
  not
• 25:17
  eliminate
• 25:17
  the
• 25:18
  obstacle,
• 25:18
  does
• 25:18
  not
• 25:19
  eliminate
• 25:19
  the
• 25:20
  resistance,
• 25:21
  the
• 25:21
  identification
• 25:22
  doesn't
• 25:22
  make
• 25:23
  them
• 25:23
  go
• 25:23
  away
• 25:23
  naturally
• 25:24
  in
• 25:25
  the
• 25:25
  stage
• 25:25
  it
• 25:25
  feels
• 25:26
  they're
• 25:26
  not
• 25:26
  there,
• 25:27
  they'll
• 25:27
  come
• 25:27
  back.
• 25:28
  They
• 25:28
  either
• 25:29
  limit
• 25:29
  the
• 25:30
  flow
• 25:30
  of
• 25:30
  order,
• 25:31
  where
• 25:31
  else
• 25:31
  it
• 25:32
  can
• 25:32
  go,
• 25:32
  or
• 25:33
  it
• 25:33
  can
• 25:33
  limit
• 25:34
  our
• 25:34
  action.
• 25:35
  Can
• 25:36
  make
• 25:36
  our
• 25:36
  action
• 25:37
  go
• 25:37
  on
• 25:37
  the
• 25:37
  wrong
• 25:38
  way
• 25:38
  or
• 25:39
  not
• 25:39
  completely
• 25:40
  accurate,
• 25:40
  not
• 25:40
  completely
• 25:41
  right,
• 25:41
  not
• 25:41
  completely
• 25:42
  empowering.
• 25:43
  But
• 25:43
  most
• 25:43
  of
• 25:44
  the
• 25:44
  time
• 25:44
  it
• 25:45
  limits
• 25:46
  the
• 25:47
  possibility
• 25:47
  of
• 25:48
  what
• 25:48
  can
• 25:48
  happen.
• 25:48
  That
• 25:49
  we
• 25:49
  will
• 25:49
  talk
• 25:49
  about
• 25:50
  at
• 25:50
  some
• 25:50
  point.
• 25:51
  That
• 25:51
  even
• 25:51
  as
• 25:51
  we
• 25:52
  go
• 25:52
  through
• 25:53
  the
• 25:53
  journey
• 25:53
  of
• 25:54
  descent
• 25:54
  and
• 25:54
  learn
• 25:55
  the
• 25:55
  realization,
• 25:55
  all
• 25:56
  of
• 25:56
  that
• 25:57
  for
• 25:58
  this
• 25:58
  teaching,
• 25:58
  this
• 25:59
  is
• 25:59
  not
• 25:59
  the
• 25:59
  end.
• 26:00
  Still,
• 26:02
  many
• 26:02
  teachings
• 26:02
  take
• 26:03
  it
• 26:03
  that
• 26:04
  ascent,
• 26:04
  descent
• 26:05
  with
• 26:05
  none,
• 26:06
  and
• 26:07
  this
• 26:07
  teaching,
• 26:08
  the
• 26:08
  other
• 26:09
  ascents
• 26:09
  and
• 26:09
  descents.
• 26:10
  And
• 26:11
  Hameed,
• 26:11
  do
• 26:11
  we
• 26:11
  have
• 26:11
  a
• 26:12
  responsibility
• 26:12
  as
• 26:13
  individual
• 26:13
  souls
• 26:14
  to
• 26:14
  work
• 26:14
  on
• 26:14
  the
• 26:15
  obstacles
• 26:16
  that
• 26:16
  would
• 26:16
  get
• 26:16
  in
• 26:16
  the
• 26:17
  way?
• 26:17
  Yes,
• 26:18
  that's
• 26:18
  where
• 26:18
  responsibility
• 26:19
  comes
• 26:19
  in.
• 26:22
  Which
• 26:23
  means
• 26:24
  to
• 26:24
  not
• 26:24
  ignore
• 26:25
  them,
• 26:25
  not
• 26:26
  to
• 26:26
  pretend
• 26:26
  we
• 26:26
  don't
• 26:27
  have
• 26:27
  them,
• 26:28
  to
• 26:28
  be
• 26:28
  aware
• 26:29
  of
• 26:29
  them,
• 26:29
  pay
• 26:29
  attention
• 26:30
  to
• 26:30
  them,
• 26:30
  and
• 26:30
  they
• 26:31
  work
• 26:31
  themselves
• 26:31
  out.
• 26:32
  It's
• 26:32
  not
• 26:32
  like
• 26:32
  we
• 26:32
  have
• 26:32
  to
• 26:33
  do
• 26:33
  something.
• 26:34
  It's
• 26:34
  more
• 26:34
  the
• 26:34
  awareness
• 26:35
  and
• 26:35
  understanding
• 26:36
  will
• 26:36
  Reveal
• 26:37
  them.
• 26:39
  Unless,
• 26:39
  of
• 26:39
  course,
• 26:40
  some
• 26:41
  people
• 26:41
  have
• 26:41
  things
• 26:42
  like
• 26:42
  trauma
• 26:43
  or
• 26:43
  abuse,
• 26:44
  whatever.
• 26:45
  Those
• 26:46
  counter
• 26:46
  states
• 26:47
  are
• 26:47
  not
• 26:48
  easy
• 26:48
  to
• 26:48
  be
• 26:49
  free
• 26:49
  from.
• 26:49
  Just
• 26:50
  first
• 26:50
  of
• 26:51
  all,
• 26:51
  you
• 26:51
  can't
• 26:51
  just
• 26:51
  be
• 26:51
  aware
• 26:52
  of
• 26:52
  them.
• 26:53
  You
• 26:53
  get
• 26:53
  dissociated
• 26:54
  this
• 26:54
  and
• 26:55
  that.
• 26:55
  That's
• 26:55
  when
• 26:56
  you
• 26:56
  need
• 26:56
  help.
• 26:56
  You
• 26:57
  need
• 26:57
  actual
• 26:58
  focus
• 26:58
  or
• 26:58
  certain
• 26:59
  kind
• 26:59
  of
• 27:00
  work
• 27:00
  and
• 27:01
  therapy.
• 27:01
  And
• 27:02
  so
• 27:02
  I'm
• 27:02
  not
• 27:02
  saying
• 27:04
  for
• 27:04
  every
• 27:04
  individual,
• 27:05
  you
• 27:05
  don't
• 27:06
  do
• 27:06
  anything.
• 27:06
  For
• 27:06
  some
• 27:07
  individuals,
• 27:07
  they
• 27:07
  need
• 27:08
  to
• 27:08
  do
• 27:08
  something.
• 27:09
  They
• 27:09
  need
• 27:09
  to
• 27:09
  see
• 27:10
  a
• 27:10
  therapist.
• 27:10
  They
• 27:10
  need
• 27:11
  to
• 27:11
  see
• 27:11
  a
• 27:12
  trauma
• 27:13
  person
• 27:13
  too.
• 27:14
  Because
• 27:14
  some
• 27:14
  of
• 27:14
  these
• 27:15
  things
• 27:15
  are
• 27:16
  so
• 27:16
  much
• 27:16
  in
• 27:17
  the
• 27:17
  way
• 27:18
  we
• 27:18
  lost.
• 27:19
  You
• 27:19
  know,
• 27:20
  we're
• 27:20
  limited.
• 27:21
  And
• 27:21
  it's
• 27:21
  important
• 27:22
  that
• 27:22
  we'll
• 27:22
  be
• 27:23
  free
• 27:23
  from
• 27:23
  these
• 27:23
  things
• 27:24
  because
• 27:24
  the
• 27:24
  more
• 27:25
  we
• 27:25
  are
• 27:25
  free
• 27:25
  of
• 27:25
  these
• 27:26
  things,
• 27:26
  the
• 27:26
  more
• 27:27
  our
• 27:27
  spiritual
• 27:27
  path
• 27:28
  is
• 27:28
  easier,
• 27:29
  more
• 27:30
  can
• 27:30
  happen.
• 27:31
  The
• 27:31
  way
• 27:31
  I
• 27:31
  talk
• 27:31
  about
• 27:32
  as
• 27:32
  a
• 27:32
  natural,
• 27:32
  spontaneous
• 27:33
  thing.
• 27:34
  And
• 27:35
  Hameed,
• 27:35
  you
• 27:35
  had
• 27:36
  done
• 27:36
  quite
• 27:36
  a
• 27:37
  bit
• 27:37
  of
• 27:37
  work
• 27:37
  on
• 27:37
  yourself
• 27:38
  before
• 27:39
  you
• 27:39
  had
• 27:39
  this
• 27:40
  realization
• 27:40
  of
• 27:41
  the
• 27:41
  absolute.
• 27:41
  If
• 27:42
  reading
• 27:43
  your
• 27:43
  life
• 27:43
  story
• 27:43
  and
• 27:43
  the
• 27:44
  history
• 27:44
  about
• 27:44
  you,
• 27:44
  you'd
• 27:45
  been
• 27:45
  working
• 27:45
  on
• 27:45
  yourself
• 27:46
  for
• 27:46
  quite
• 27:46
  a
• 27:46
  while
• 27:47
  and
• 27:47
  helping
• 27:47
  others
• 27:48
  do
• 27:48
  the
• 27:48
  same
• 27:48
  thing.
• 27:49
  You're
• 27:49
  right.
• 27:51
  Right.
• 27:51
  I
• 27:51
  did
• 27:52
  many
• 27:52
  kind
• 27:52
  of
• 27:52
  therapies,
• 27:53
  many
• 27:53
  kind
• 27:53
  of
• 27:54
  growth
• 27:54
  work,
• 27:54
  self
• 27:55
  work,
• 27:56
  had
• 27:56
  all
• 27:56
  kind
• 27:57
  of
• 27:57
  thing
• 27:57
  and
• 27:58
  followed
• 27:59
  many
• 27:59
  teachings
• 28:00
  and
• 28:00
  teachers
• 28:00
  and
• 28:01
  all
• 28:01
  of
• 28:01
  that
• 28:01
  before
• 28:02
  the
• 28:02
  dying
• 28:02
  approach
• 28:03
  began
• 28:03
  to
• 28:03
  manifest
• 28:04
  in
• 28:05
  its
• 28:05
  own,
• 28:07
  as
• 28:07
  its
• 28:07
  own
• 28:08
  teaching,
• 28:09
  that
• 28:09
  revealing
• 28:10
  new
• 28:10
  thing
• 28:10
  I
• 28:11
  didn't
• 28:11
  know.
• 28:12
  About
• 28:12
  or
• 28:12
  hear
• 28:13
  about
• 28:15
  me
• 28:15
  focusing
• 28:16
  in
• 28:16
  on
• 28:17
  we.
• 28:17
  You're
• 28:17
  talking
• 28:18
  about
• 28:18
  the
• 28:18
  challenges.
• 28:19
  And
• 28:19
  thank
• 28:20
  you
• 28:20
  for
• 28:20
  emphasizing
• 28:21
  that
• 28:23
  we're
• 28:24
  all
• 28:24
  human.
• 28:24
  And
• 28:24
  there's
• 28:26
  always
• 28:26
  some
• 28:26
  limitation.
• 28:27
  In
• 28:28
  one
• 28:28
  of
• 28:28
  your
• 28:28
  books,
• 28:28
  I
• 28:28
  think
• 28:29
  Runaway
• 28:29
  Realization,
• 28:30
  you
• 28:30
  make
• 28:30
  the
• 28:30
  point
• 28:31
  that
• 28:31
  there's
• 28:32
  always,
• 28:32
  you
• 28:32
  know,
• 28:32
  delusion.
• 28:33
  We
• 28:34
  can
• 28:34
  work
• 28:34
  through
• 28:35
  a
• 28:35
  lot,
• 28:35
  but
• 28:36
  there
• 28:36
  always
• 28:36
  seems
• 28:37
  to
• 28:37
  be
• 28:37
  some
• 28:37
  residual
• 28:38
  delusion
• 28:38
  more
• 28:39
  to
• 28:39
  discover
• 28:40
  I
• 28:40
  want
• 28:41
  to
• 28:41
  ask
• 28:41
  you
• 28:41
  about.
• 28:42
  So
• 28:43
  anyway,
• 28:43
  so
• 28:43
  that's
• 28:44
  one
• 28:44
  of
• 28:44
  the
• 28:44
  traps
• 28:44
  that
• 28:45
  comes
• 28:45
  at
• 28:45
  this
• 28:45
  point.
• 28:46
  But
• 28:46
  you
• 28:46
  also
• 28:46
  emphasize
• 28:47
  another
• 28:47
  one
• 28:47
  in
• 28:48
  the
• 28:48
  chapter
• 28:49
  which
• 28:49
  I
• 28:49
  didn't
• 28:49
  fully
• 28:49
  understand.
• 28:50
  And
• 28:50
  that
• 28:50
  is
• 28:51
  the.
• 28:51
  You
• 28:51
  say
• 28:51
  the
• 28:52
  central
• 28:52
  issue
• 28:52
  for
• 28:53
  the
• 28:53
  core
• 28:53
  dimension
• 28:54
  of
• 28:54
  dissent
• 28:55
  is
• 28:55
  identification.
• 28:57
  That
• 28:57
  is
• 28:57
  forgetting
• 28:58
  one's
• 28:58
  innermost
• 28:59
  nature
• 28:59
  or
• 28:59
  true
• 28:59
  self
• 29:00
  and
• 29:01
  identifying
• 29:01
  with
• 29:01
  the
• 29:02
  soul
• 29:02
  and
• 29:02
  her
• 29:03
  unfoldment.
• 29:04
  Can
• 29:04
  you
• 29:05
  maybe
• 29:05
  say
• 29:05
  something
• 29:05
  about
• 29:06
  that?
• 29:06
  Well,
• 29:06
  I
• 29:07
  mean,
• 29:07
  we
• 29:07
  discussed
• 29:07
  that
• 29:08
  before,
• 29:09
  but
• 29:09
  it
• 29:09
  comes
• 29:09
  back
• 29:10
  again.
• 29:11
  Identification
• 29:12
  is
• 29:12
  such
• 29:13
  a
• 29:13
  big
• 29:13
  thing
• 29:14
  because
• 29:15
  what
• 29:15
  the
• 29:16
  ego
• 29:16
  is
• 29:16
  identifying
• 29:17
  with
• 29:18
  image
• 29:19
  or
• 29:20
  feeling
• 29:20
  or
• 29:20
  a
• 29:21
  pattern
• 29:21
  or
• 29:22
  memory
• 29:22
  or
• 29:23
  knowledge
• 29:23
  or
• 29:24
  view
• 29:25
  or
• 29:25
  ideology,
• 29:26
  to
• 29:27
  take
• 29:27
  that
• 29:27
  to
• 29:27
  be
• 29:28
  part
• 29:28
  of
• 29:28
  what
• 29:28
  defines
• 29:29
  us
• 29:30
  so
• 29:31
  that
• 29:32
  it
• 29:32
  emerges
• 29:32
  again
• 29:33
  in
• 29:33
  that
• 29:33
  dimension
• 29:34
  that
• 29:35
  shows
• 29:35
  that
• 29:36
  we
• 29:36
  need
• 29:37
  to
• 29:37
  let
• 29:37
  go.
• 29:37
  Even
• 29:38
  identifying
• 29:39
  with
• 29:39
  the
• 29:39
  absolute.
• 29:41
  Identification
• 29:41
  is
• 29:42
  a
• 29:42
  mental
• 29:43
  operation,
• 29:45
  while
• 29:45
  the
• 29:45
  realization
• 29:46
  is
• 29:46
  spontaneous,
• 29:47
  natural
• 29:48
  flow
• 29:49
  and
• 29:49
  you.
• 29:49
  Mentioned
• 29:49
  that
• 29:50
  an
• 29:50
  exquisite
• 29:51
  resolution
• 29:51
  here.
• 29:52
  You
• 29:52
  say
• 29:53
  the
• 29:53
  resolution
• 29:54
  comes
• 29:54
  through
• 29:55
  recognizing
• 29:56
  that
• 29:56
  it
• 29:56
  is
• 29:56
  the
• 29:57
  absolute
• 29:57
  which
• 29:58
  identifies
• 29:59
  and
• 29:59
  forgets.
• 30:00
  Yes.
• 30:02
  That's
• 30:02
  so
• 30:02
  beautiful.
• 30:03
  I
• 30:03
  mean,
• 30:03
  that's
• 30:04
  the
• 30:04
  thing
• 30:05
  nondual
• 30:05
  perspective
• 30:06
  provides
• 30:07
  us.
• 30:08
  That's
• 30:08
  why
• 30:08
  I,
• 30:09
  you
• 30:09
  know,
• 30:09
  and
• 30:09
  I
• 30:09
  listen
• 30:09
  to
• 30:10
  some
• 30:10
  nondual
• 30:10
  teachers
• 30:11
  talk
• 30:11
  about,
• 30:11
  oh,
• 30:12
  when
• 30:12
  there's
• 30:12
  identification,
• 30:13
  oh,
• 30:14
  it's
• 30:14
  the
• 30:14
  individual
• 30:15
  mind,
• 30:15
  whatever,
• 30:15
  that
• 30:15
  does
• 30:16
  it.
• 30:16
  But
• 30:17
  you
• 30:17
  just
• 30:17
  said
• 30:17
  there's
• 30:18
  only
• 30:18
  one
• 30:19
  thing.
• 30:21
  How
• 30:21
  can
• 30:21
  there
• 30:22
  be
• 30:22
  a
• 30:22
  separate
• 30:23
  individual
• 30:23
  mind
• 30:24
  that
• 30:24
  does
• 30:24
  its
• 30:24
  own
• 30:25
  thing?
• 30:25
  So
• 30:26
  it
• 30:26
  has
• 30:26
  to
• 30:26
  be,
• 30:27
  you
• 30:27
  know,
• 30:27
  and
• 30:28
  of
• 30:28
  course,
• 30:28
  some
• 30:28
  of
• 30:29
  them
• 30:29
  are
• 30:29
  more
• 30:29
  advanced.
• 30:30
  They
• 30:30
  say
• 30:31
  the
• 30:32
  absolute
• 30:33
  has
• 30:34
  convenient,
• 30:36
  what
• 30:36
  they
• 30:36
  call
• 30:36
  it
• 30:37
  in
• 30:37
  the
• 30:37
  fiction
• 30:38
  of
• 30:38
  being
• 30:39
  a
• 30:39
  person
• 30:40
  creating
• 30:41
  a
• 30:41
  fiction.
• 30:42
  And
• 30:42
  I
• 30:42
  say,
• 30:43
  no,
• 30:43
  doesn't
• 30:44
  create
• 30:44
  a
• 30:44
  fiction,
• 30:45
  just
• 30:45
  create
• 30:45
  something.
• 30:46
  The
• 30:47
  soul
• 30:47
  is
• 30:47
  not
• 30:47
  a
• 30:47
  fiction.
• 30:49
  It's
• 30:50
  a
• 30:50
  manifestation
• 30:51
  organ
• 30:52
  of
• 30:52
  the
• 30:52
  absolute
• 30:53
  itself
• 30:54
  to
• 30:57
  let
• 30:57
  it
• 30:58
  manifest
• 30:58
  in
• 30:58
  the
• 30:58
  world.
• 30:59
  Because
• 30:59
  how
• 31:00
  else
• 31:00
  is
• 31:00
  going
• 31:00
  to
• 31:00
  manifest?
• 31:01
  Doesn't
• 31:01
  matter
• 31:02
  if
• 31:02
  it's
• 31:02
  rocks,
• 31:02
  it
• 31:03
  doesn't
• 31:03
  manifest
• 31:03
  in
• 31:04
  fish.
• 31:04
  It
• 31:04
  manifests
• 31:04
  as
• 31:05
  human
• 31:05
  beings,
• 31:06
  you
• 31:06
  know,
• 31:06
  usually.
• 31:07
  And
• 31:08
  so
• 31:09
  what
• 31:09
  is
• 31:10
  a
• 31:10
  human
• 31:10
  being?
• 31:10
  It's
• 31:11
  not
• 31:11
  a
• 31:11
  fiction,
• 31:13
  you
• 31:13
  know,
• 31:14
  it's
• 31:14
  part
• 31:14
  of
• 31:14
  creation.
• 31:17
  That's
• 31:17
  nice.
• 31:18
  It
• 31:18
  feels
• 31:19
  analogous
• 31:20
  to
• 31:20
  the
• 31:20
  beautiful
• 31:21
  description
• 31:22
  of
• 31:22
  Dzogchen,
• 31:22
  that
• 31:23
  even
• 31:23
  illusion,
• 31:23
  or
• 31:23
  what
• 31:24
  it
• 31:24
  calls
• 31:24
  marigpa,
• 31:25
  not
• 31:25
  awareness,
• 31:26
  is
• 31:27
  an
• 31:27
  expression
• 31:28
  of
• 31:28
  awareness.
• 31:29
  Yeah.
• 31:30
  What's
• 31:30
  it
• 31:30
  also
• 31:30
  an
• 31:31
  expression
• 31:31
  of?
• 31:31
  There's
• 31:32
  only
• 31:32
  one
• 31:32
  thing.
• 31:35
  It
• 31:35
  was
• 31:36
  like
• 31:36
  a
• 31:36
  beautiful
• 31:36
  judo
• 31:37
  move.
• 31:38
  And
• 31:39
  that's
• 31:39
  true.
• 31:39
  I
• 31:39
  mean,
• 31:40
  when
• 31:40
  you
• 31:41
  understand
• 31:42
  the
• 31:42
  true
• 31:44
  perspective
• 31:44
  of
• 31:44
  unity
• 31:45
  or
• 31:45
  oneness
• 31:46
  and
• 31:46
  non
• 31:46
  duality,
• 31:50
  there
• 31:50
  are
• 31:50
  no
• 31:51
  two,
• 31:51
  really.
• 31:52
  Absolutely.
• 31:54
  Yeah.
• 31:56
  So
• 31:56
  from
• 31:57
  this
• 31:58
  perspective,
• 31:59
  even
• 32:00
  illusion
• 32:00
  and
• 32:00
  delusion,
• 32:02
  you
• 32:02
  know,
• 32:03
  all
• 32:03
  the
• 32:03
  traps,
• 32:04
  etc.
• 32:05
  Are
• 32:05
  the
• 32:06
  expression.
• 32:06
  Or
• 32:06
  even,
• 32:07
  I
• 32:07
  guess
• 32:07
  in
• 32:08
  Hinduism
• 32:08
  it
• 32:08
  would
• 32:09
  be
• 32:09
  Leela,
• 32:09
  the
• 32:09
  divine
• 32:10
  play
• 32:11
  of
• 32:11
  the
• 32:12
  absolute.
• 32:12
  Yes,
• 32:14
  yes,
• 32:14
  true.
• 32:15
  It's
• 32:15
  like
• 32:15
  a
• 32:15
  divine
• 32:16
  play
• 32:17
  makes
• 32:17
  itself
• 32:17
  forget
• 32:18
  so
• 32:19
  it
• 32:20
  can
• 32:20
  remember,
• 32:21
  enjoy
• 32:21
  the
• 32:21
  discovery.
• 32:23
  It
• 32:23
  thickens
• 32:24
  the
• 32:24
  plot.
• 32:25
  Yeah,
• 32:25
  well,
• 32:26
  I
• 32:26
  mean,
• 32:26
  discovery
• 32:27
  is,
• 32:27
  is
• 32:27
  a
• 32:28
  wonderful
• 32:28
  kind
• 32:28
  of
• 32:29
  journeying.
• 32:30
  You
• 32:30
  know,
• 32:30
  if
• 32:31
  you
• 32:31
  already
• 32:31
  wake,
• 32:32
  you're
• 32:32
  born
• 32:33
  knowing
• 32:33
  everything.
• 32:34
  I
• 32:34
  mean,
• 32:35
  that
• 32:36
  doesn't
• 32:36
  make
• 32:37
  it
• 32:37
  into
• 32:37
  a
• 32:37
  life.
• 32:37
  It
• 32:38
  makes
• 32:38
  it
• 32:38
  like
• 32:38
  we
• 32:38
  might
• 32:39
  as
• 32:39
  well
• 32:39
  stay
• 32:39
  in
• 32:39
  heaven
• 32:40
  while
• 32:40
  you're
• 32:40
  here.
• 32:41
  Yeah,
• 32:42
  it
• 32:43
  would
• 32:43
  be
• 32:43
  an
• 32:43
  interesting
• 32:44
  problem.
• 32:45
  So,
• 32:46
  yes,
• 32:46
  we
• 32:46
  forget
• 32:47
  so
• 32:47
  that
• 32:47
  we
• 32:48
  can
• 32:48
  learn
• 32:48
  and
• 32:49
  discover
• 32:50
  and,
• 32:50
  and
• 32:51
  you
• 32:51
  know,
• 32:51
  the
• 32:52
  reality
• 32:52
  is
• 32:53
  such
• 32:53
  an
• 32:53
  interesting
• 32:54
  thing
• 32:55
  because
• 32:55
  it's,
• 32:56
  you
• 32:56
  know,
• 32:56
  there's
• 32:57
  so
• 32:57
  many
• 32:57
  facets
• 32:58
  and
• 32:59
  layers
• 32:59
  and
• 32:59
  dimension
• 33:00
  we'll
• 33:00
  be
• 33:00
  discussing.
• 33:01
  But
• 33:02
  you
• 33:02
  can.
• 33:02
  Luckily,
• 33:03
  the
• 33:03
  whole
• 33:04
  thing
• 33:04
  is
• 33:04
  meaningful
• 33:05
  in
• 33:05
  a
• 33:05
  sense.
• 33:06
  Even
• 33:06
  ignorance
• 33:07
  is
• 33:07
  there
• 33:07
  for
• 33:08
  a
• 33:08
  reason
• 33:09
  we
• 33:09
  need
• 33:09
  to
• 33:09
  ignore.
• 33:10
  We
• 33:10
  need
• 33:10
  to
• 33:10
  be.
• 33:11
  We
• 33:11
  need
• 33:11
  to
• 33:12
  become
• 33:12
  an
• 33:12
  ego.
• 33:13
  Why?
• 33:14
  Like
• 33:15
  Truly,
• 33:15
  the
• 33:16
  Absolute
• 33:16
  manifests
• 33:17
  itself
• 33:17
  as
• 33:18
  an
• 33:18
  ego
• 33:19
  to
• 33:19
  survive
• 33:20
  physically
• 33:20
  in
• 33:21
  a
• 33:21
  physical.
• 33:21
  It
• 33:21
  wants
• 33:22
  to
• 33:23
  manifest
• 33:23
  itself
• 33:23
  on
• 33:23
  Earth.
• 33:24
  To
• 33:24
  manifest
• 33:25
  itself
• 33:25
  on
• 33:25
  Earth,
• 33:25
  it
• 33:26
  has
• 33:26
  to
• 33:26
  be
• 33:26
  physical
• 33:27
  body
• 33:27
  that
• 33:27
  is
• 33:27
  destructible.
• 33:29
  How
• 33:29
  is
• 33:29
  it
• 33:29
  going
• 33:29
  to
• 33:30
  survive
• 33:30
  if
• 33:31
  it
• 33:31
  experiences
• 33:31
  itself
• 33:32
  as
• 33:32
  I'm
• 33:33
  free
• 33:33
  and
• 33:33
  don't
• 33:34
  need
• 33:34
  to
• 33:34
  do
• 33:34
  anything
• 33:36
  to
• 33:37
  believe
• 33:37
  it
• 33:37
  is
• 33:37
  an
• 33:38
  individual
• 33:38
  that
• 33:38
  needs
• 33:39
  to
• 33:40
  manage
• 33:40
  things
• 33:41
  to
• 33:41
  survive
• 33:41
  and
• 33:42
  make
• 33:42
  a
• 33:42
  living.
• 33:43
  And
• 33:43
  then
• 33:44
  part
• 33:44
  of
• 33:44
  that,
• 33:45
  as
• 33:45
  part
• 33:46
  of
• 33:46
  the
• 33:46
  natural
• 33:47
  order
• 33:47
  thing,
• 33:48
  if
• 33:48
  you
• 33:49
  let
• 33:49
  it
• 33:49
  happen,
• 33:50
  is
• 33:50
  that
• 33:51
  it
• 33:51
  will
• 33:52
  reveal
• 33:52
  more.
• 33:54
  That
• 33:54
  is
• 33:54
  the
• 33:55
  first
• 33:55
  steps
• 33:56
  toward
• 33:57
  the
• 33:58
  discovery,
• 33:59
  recognition
• 34:00
  and
• 34:00
  the
• 34:00
  delight
• 34:01
  of
• 34:01
  discovery,
• 34:02
  the
• 34:02
  enjoyment
• 34:02
  of
• 34:02
  it,
• 34:03
  and
• 34:03
  then
• 34:03
  the
• 34:04
  expression
• 34:04
  of
• 34:04
  what
• 34:05
  we
• 34:05
  discover
• 34:06
  in
• 34:06
  the
• 34:06
  world.
• 34:06
  And
• 34:07
  then
• 34:07
  so
• 34:08
  where
• 34:08
  there
• 34:09
  was
• 34:09
  nothing,
• 34:10
  absolutely
• 34:10
  nothing
• 34:11
  which
• 34:11
  is
• 34:11
  complete
• 34:12
  freedom
• 34:13
  is
• 34:13
  fallen
• 34:14
  rich
• 34:14
  of
• 34:15
  all
• 34:15
  kind
• 34:15
  of
• 34:16
  actions
• 34:16
  and
• 34:16
  interaction
• 34:17
  and
• 34:18
  taste
• 34:18
  and
• 34:18
  flavors
• 34:19
  and
• 34:19
  colors
• 34:20
  that
• 34:20
  we
• 34:20
  call
• 34:21
  the
• 34:21
  fulfilled
• 34:22
  life.
• 34:23
  Wow.
• 34:23
  Beautiful.
• 34:24
  Beautiful.
• 34:26
  And
• 34:26
  you
• 34:26
  point
• 34:27
  out
• 34:27
  that
• 34:27
  this.
• 34:28
  This
• 34:29
  also
• 34:29
  comes
• 34:30
  with
• 34:30
  the
• 34:30
  recognition
• 34:31
  that
• 34:32
  even
• 34:32
  when
• 34:32
  there's
• 34:33
  an
• 34:33
  apparent
• 34:33
  be
• 34:34
  lost
• 34:34
  into
• 34:35
  illusion
• 34:36
  or
• 34:36
  delusion,
• 34:37
  that
• 34:38
  the
• 34:38
  Absolute
• 34:38
  is
• 34:38
  still,
• 34:39
  is
• 34:39
  remains
• 34:40
  untouched,
• 34:40
  undefiled,
• 34:41
  completely.
• 34:43
  So
• 34:43
  there's
• 34:44
  that
• 34:44
  element
• 34:44
  of
• 34:45
  beauty
• 34:45
  to
• 34:45
  it
• 34:45
  as
• 34:45
  well,
• 34:46
  you
• 34:46
  point
• 34:46
  out.
• 34:47
  Yeah.
• 34:47
  I
• 34:47
  mean,
• 34:47
  true
• 34:48
  nature
• 34:48
  is
• 34:48
  indestructible,
• 34:51
  incorruptible.
• 34:52
  That's
• 34:52
  when
• 34:53
  we
• 34:53
  experience
• 34:53
  it.
• 34:55
  Any
• 34:55
  dimension,
• 34:56
  including
• 34:56
  Absolute,
• 34:57
  nothing
• 34:58
  can
• 34:58
  happen
• 34:58
  to
• 34:59
  it.
• 34:59
  It's
• 34:59
  beyond
• 35:00
  all
• 35:01
  the
• 35:01
  element
• 35:01
  that
• 35:02
  could
• 35:02
  do
• 35:02
  something
• 35:02
  to
• 35:03
  it.
• 35:05
  Amid
• 35:06
  you've
• 35:06
  left
• 35:06
  us
• 35:06
  in
• 35:07
  this
• 35:07
  exquisite
• 35:08
  place
• 35:08
  of
• 35:09
  having
• 35:10
  pointed
• 35:11
  to
• 35:12
  the
• 35:12
  Absolute
• 35:14
  and
• 35:14
  that
• 35:15
  all
• 35:16
  manifestation
• 35:18
  and
• 35:18
  our
• 35:19
  lives
• 35:20
  are
• 35:20
  expressions
• 35:21
  or
• 35:22
  manifestations
• 35:23
  of
• 35:24
  the
• 35:24
  Absolute.
• 35:25
  And
• 35:25
  that
• 35:26
  even
• 35:26
  the
• 35:26
  problems,
• 35:27
  the
• 35:27
  challenges,
• 35:28
  the
• 35:29
  what
• 35:29
  we
• 35:29
  think.
• 35:30
  I
• 35:30
  was
• 35:30
  getting
• 35:30
  lost
• 35:31
  into
• 35:31
  illusion
• 35:31
  and
• 35:32
  delusion.
• 35:33
  That
• 35:33
  also
• 35:33
  is
• 35:33
  the
• 35:34
  play
• 35:34
  of
• 35:34
  the
• 35:34
  Absolute.
• 35:35
  I
• 35:35
  mean,
• 35:35
  what
• 35:35
  an
• 35:36
  exquisite
• 35:36
  vision
• 35:37
  you're
• 35:37
  leaving
• 35:37
  with.
• 35:39
  Yeah.
• 35:39
  Many
• 35:40
  teachings
• 35:40
  did
• 35:40
  it
• 35:41
  in
• 35:41
  different
• 35:41
  ways.
• 35:42
  This
• 35:42
  teaching
• 35:43
  does
• 35:43
  it
• 35:43
  its
• 35:43
  own
• 35:44
  way.
• 35:44
  Yeah.
• 35:45
  Well,
• 35:46
  thank
• 35:46
  you
• 35:46
  for
• 35:47
  bringing
• 35:47
  us
• 35:47
  your
• 35:48
  way.
• 35:48
  Yeah.
• 35:49
  Because
• 35:49
  it
• 35:49
  is
• 35:50
  relevant
• 35:50
  to
• 35:51
  our
• 35:52
  worldview.
• 35:52
  In
• 35:53
  our
• 35:53
  Western
• 35:54
  worldview,
• 35:54
  we
• 35:54
  have
• 35:54
  a
• 35:55
  certain
• 35:55
  way
• 35:55
  of
• 35:55
  looking
• 35:55
  at
• 35:56
  things.
• 35:56
  It
• 35:57
  speaks
• 35:57
  to
• 35:57
  that
• 35:58
  kind
• 35:58
  of
• 35:58
  mentality.
• 36:00
  Yeah.
• 36:01
  Oh,
• 36:01
  it's
• 36:01
  an
• 36:01
  extraordinary
• 36:03
  vision.
• 36:03
  I
• 36:03
  mean,
• 36:04
  I
• 36:04
  feel.
• 36:04
  I'm
• 36:05
  really.
• 36:05
  I'm
• 36:05
  feeling.
• 36:06
  Feeling
• 36:06
  myself
• 36:06
  at
• 36:07
  the
• 36:07
  moment,
• 36:07
  just
• 36:07
  touched
• 36:08
  and
• 36:09
  illuminated
• 36:10
  by
• 36:10
  it.
• 36:10
  It's
• 36:10
  like
• 36:11
  it's
• 36:11
  an
• 36:11
  all
• 36:11
  Dzogtian,
• 36:12
  I
• 36:12
  guess,
• 36:12
  speaks
• 36:13
  of
• 36:13
  Kunta
• 36:13
  Zampo
• 36:14
  or
• 36:14
  Primordial
• 36:14
  Buddha.
• 36:15
  The
• 36:15
  translation
• 36:16
  is
• 36:16
  All
• 36:16
  Good.
• 36:18
  And
• 36:18
  you're
• 36:18
  giving
• 36:18
  us
• 36:18
  a
• 36:19
  vision
• 36:19
  of
• 36:20
  All
• 36:20
  Good.
• 36:20
  It's
• 36:21
  an
• 36:21
  ultimate
• 36:21
  All
• 36:21
  Good.
• 36:22
  Doesn't
• 36:22
  negate
• 36:23
  the
• 36:23
  incredible
• 36:24
  suffering
• 36:25
  in
• 36:25
  the
• 36:25
  world,
• 36:26
  but
• 36:27
  it
• 36:27
  does
• 36:27
  point
• 36:28
  to
• 36:28
  a
• 36:28
  deeper
• 36:28
  understanding
• 36:29
  that
• 36:30
  is
• 36:31
  very
• 36:31
  beneficent
• 36:32
  and
• 36:33
  completely
• 36:34
  fulfilled,
• 36:35
  very
• 36:35
  beautiful.
• 36:36
  And
• 36:36
  ultimately
• 36:37
  everything
• 36:37
  is
• 36:38
  okay.
• 36:39
  It's
• 36:40
  okay.
• 36:41
  Well,
• 36:41
  because
• 36:42
  at
• 36:42
  the
• 36:42
  bottom,
• 36:43
  it
• 36:43
  is
• 36:44
  perfect.
• 36:45
  Yeah.
• 36:46
  Yeah.
• 36:47
  That's
• 36:47
  so
• 36:48
  beautiful.
• 36:48
  Me.
• 36:48
  Thank
• 36:49
  you
• 36:49
  for
• 36:49
  it
• 36:49
  feels
• 36:49
  like
• 36:50
  you've
• 36:50
  taken
• 36:50
  us
• 36:50
  even
• 36:51
  both
• 36:51
  over
• 36:52
  this
• 36:52
  series
• 36:53
  and
• 36:54
  even
• 36:54
  within
• 36:55
  this,
• 36:55
  this
• 36:56
  single
• 36:56
  dialogue
• 36:57
  through
• 36:58
  a
• 36:58
  journey
• 36:59
  to
• 36:59
  bring
• 37:00
  us
• 37:00
  to
• 37:00
  this
• 37:00
  beautiful
• 37:01
  place.
• 37:01
  Is
• 37:01
  there
• 37:01
  anything
• 37:02
  you'd
• 37:02
  like
• 37:02
  to
• 37:02
  add?
• 37:03
  I
• 37:03
  think
• 37:04
  one
• 37:04
  thing
• 37:04
  is
• 37:05
  about
• 37:05
  this
• 37:05
  chapter.
• 37:07
  You
• 37:07
  know,
• 37:08
  we
• 37:09
  sort
• 37:09
  of
• 37:09
  talking
• 37:10
  about
• 37:10
  what's
• 37:11
  right
• 37:11
  in
• 37:12
  this
• 37:12
  chapter.
• 37:13
  The
• 37:13
  chapter
• 37:14
  details
• 37:14
  several
• 37:15
  dimensions
• 37:16
  I
• 37:16
  call
• 37:16
  dimension
• 37:17
  Descent.
• 37:18
  It's
• 37:18
  pretty
• 37:19
  subtle
• 37:20
  and
• 37:21
  it's
• 37:22
  precise
• 37:23
  and
• 37:23
  clear,
• 37:23
  but
• 37:24
  it
• 37:24
  is
• 37:24
  still
• 37:25
  subtle
• 37:26
  and
• 37:26
  not
• 37:26
  accessible
• 37:27
  to
• 37:27
  most
• 37:28
  people.
• 37:29
  So
• 37:29
  the
• 37:29
  reader
• 37:29
  shouldn't
• 37:30
  feel
• 37:30
  discouraged.
• 37:32
  You
• 37:32
  could
• 37:33
  read
• 37:34
  and
• 37:34
  just
• 37:34
  whatever
• 37:35
  hits
• 37:36
  you,
• 37:36
  whatever
• 37:36
  you
• 37:37
  learn
• 37:37
  from
• 37:37
  it
• 37:38
  is
• 37:38
  fine.
• 37:39
  You
• 37:39
  don't
• 37:39
  need
• 37:39
  to
• 37:40
  get
• 37:40
  everything.
• 37:41
  I
• 37:41
  don't
• 37:42
  expect
• 37:42
  people
• 37:42
  to,
• 37:43
  because
• 37:43
  this
• 37:43
  is
• 37:44
  one
• 37:44
  of
• 37:44
  those
• 37:44
  chapters
• 37:45
  that
• 37:45
  goes
• 37:46
  into
• 37:46
  the
• 37:46
  very
• 37:46
  subtleties
• 37:47
  of
• 37:47
  things.
• 37:49
  Different
• 37:49
  dimensions
• 37:50
  are
• 37:50
  very
• 37:50
  subtly
• 37:51
  different
• 37:51
  from
• 37:51
  each
• 37:52
  other
• 37:53
  and
• 37:53
  then
• 37:53
  shows
• 37:54
  important
• 37:55
  distinction,
• 37:56
  an
• 37:56
  important
• 37:56
  thing
• 37:57
  for
• 37:57
  life
• 37:57
  and
• 37:57
  experience,
• 37:58
  all
• 37:58
  that.
• 37:58
  But
• 37:59
  they're
• 38:00
  not
• 38:00
  there
• 38:01
  on
• 38:01
  the
• 38:01
  surface.
• 38:01
  They're
• 38:02
  not
• 38:02
  there
• 38:02
  in
• 38:02
  the
• 38:02
  ordinary
• 38:03
  mind.
• 38:04
  So
• 38:05
  the
• 38:05
  reader
• 38:05
  will
• 38:05
  need
• 38:06
  to
• 38:06
  be
• 38:06
  patient,
• 38:06
  will
• 38:07
  need
• 38:07
  to
• 38:07
  take
• 38:08
  time,
• 38:09
  spend
• 38:09
  time
• 38:10
  in
• 38:10
  it.
• 38:10
  It's
• 38:11
  not
• 38:11
  a
• 38:11
  chapter
• 38:11
  you
• 38:11
  read
• 38:12
  all
• 38:12
  at
• 38:12
  once.
• 38:13
  Maybe
• 38:14
  each
• 38:15
  dimension,
• 38:15
  you
• 38:16
  might
• 38:16
  two,
• 38:17
  three
• 38:17
  pages.
• 38:17
  You
• 38:17
  read
• 38:17
  it
• 38:18
  at
• 38:18
  one
• 38:18
  sitting,
• 38:20
  but
• 38:20
  don't
• 38:20
  expect
• 38:21
  to
• 38:21
  get
• 38:21
  it
• 38:21
  all.
• 38:22
  And
• 38:23
  if
• 38:23
  some
• 38:23
  of
• 38:23
  it
• 38:23
  touches
• 38:24
  you,
• 38:24
  you
• 38:24
  get
• 38:24
  an
• 38:25
  experience.
• 38:25
  That's
• 38:26
  what
• 38:26
  matters.
• 38:27
  Well,
• 38:27
  that's
• 38:27
  what's
• 38:27
  been
• 38:28
  happening.
• 38:28
  And
• 38:29
  if
• 38:29
  I
• 38:29
  get
• 38:29
  through
• 38:29
  three
• 38:30
  pages,
• 38:30
  that's
• 38:31
  a
• 38:31
  whole
• 38:31
  bunch,
• 38:32
  usually
• 38:32
  about
• 38:33
  a
• 38:33
  page
• 38:33
  or
• 38:33
  a
• 38:33
  page
• 38:33
  and
• 38:34
  a
• 38:34
  half
• 38:34
  in
• 38:34
  a
• 38:34
  sitting.
• 38:35
  It's
• 38:35
  just
• 38:36
  that
• 38:37
  much.
• 38:38
  So
• 38:38
  I
• 38:38
  imagine
• 38:39
  all
• 38:39
  your
• 38:40
  listeners,
• 38:41
  some
• 38:41
  of
• 38:41
  them
• 38:41
  are
• 38:41
  going
• 38:42
  to
• 38:42
  go
• 38:42
  to
• 38:42
  the
• 38:42
  book
• 38:43
  and
• 38:43
  read
• 38:43
  it.
• 38:43
  And
• 38:44
  I'm
• 38:44
  saying
• 38:44
  it's
• 38:45
  important
• 38:45
  to
• 38:45
  read
• 38:46
  it.
• 38:46
  You
• 38:46
  learn
• 38:47
  a
• 38:47
  lot.
• 38:48
  But
• 38:48
  don't
• 38:48
  get
• 38:48
  discouraged.
• 38:50
  You
• 38:50
  know,
• 38:51
  don't
• 38:51
  discourage.
• 38:53
  It
• 38:53
  is
• 38:53
  the
• 38:54
  fruition
• 38:54
  of
• 38:56
  many
• 38:56
  years
• 38:56
  of
• 38:57
  practice
• 38:57
  and
• 38:58
  learning.
• 38:58
  Whatever
• 39:00
  doesn't
• 39:00
  happen
• 39:01
  frequently.
• 39:02
  So
• 39:02
  if
• 39:02
  we
• 39:02
  learn
• 39:03
  something
• 39:03
  from
• 39:03
  it,
• 39:03
  get
• 39:04
  something
• 39:04
  from
• 39:04
  it,
• 39:04
  it's
• 39:05
  wonderful.
• 39:06
  Yeah.
• 39:06
  And
• 39:07
  I.
• 39:07
  I
• 39:07
  would
• 39:07
  add,
• 39:08
  dovetailing
• 39:08
  with
• 39:08
  what
• 39:09
  John
• 39:09
  just
• 39:09
  said,
• 39:10
  that
• 39:10
  for
• 39:10
  us
• 39:11
  it's
• 39:11
  been
• 39:12
  really
• 39:12
  important
• 39:13
  to
• 39:13
  read
• 39:13
  it
• 39:13
  and
• 39:13
  reread
• 39:14
  it.
• 39:14
  And
• 39:14
  with
• 39:14
  each
• 39:15
  rereading,
• 39:17
  different
• 39:17
  facets,
• 39:18
  understandings
• 39:19
  emerge.
• 39:20
  So
• 39:20
  it's
• 39:21
  this
• 39:21
  text
• 39:21
  is
• 39:22
  something
• 39:22
  which
• 39:22
  really
• 39:22
  lends
• 39:23
  itself
• 39:23
  to
• 39:23
  the
• 39:24
  practice
• 39:24
  of
• 39:25
  Christians
• 39:25
  called
• 39:25
  lectio
• 39:26
  divina,
• 39:26
  using
• 39:27
  reading
• 39:27
  as
• 39:28
  a
• 39:28
  spiritual
• 39:28
  practice,
• 39:30
  really
• 39:30
  immersing
• 39:31
  oneself
• 39:31
  in
• 39:32
  the
• 39:32
  text,
• 39:32
  then
• 39:32
  taking
• 39:33
  time
• 39:33
  to
• 39:33
  reflect
• 39:33
  and
• 39:34
  then
• 39:34
  to
• 39:34
  meditate,
• 39:35
  the
• 39:35
  three
• 39:35
  elements
• 39:36
  of
• 39:36
  spiritual
• 39:37
  reading.
• 39:37
  So,
• 39:38
  yeah,
• 39:39
  thank
• 39:39
  you,
• 39:39
  Amit
• 39:41
  and
• 39:41
  Hameed.
• 39:41
  I've
• 39:41
  started
• 39:42
  to
• 39:42
  study
• 39:43
  your
• 39:43
  stuff
• 39:44
  Before
• 39:44
  I
• 39:44
  meditate.
• 39:45
  You
• 39:45
  know,
• 39:46
  usually
• 39:46
  if
• 39:46
  I
• 39:46
  read
• 39:46
  something,
• 39:48
  whatever,
• 39:48
  it
• 39:48
  distracts
• 39:49
  me,
• 39:49
  but
• 39:49
  I
• 39:50
  find
• 39:50
  when
• 39:50
  I.
• 39:50
  When
• 39:51
  I
• 39:51
  actually
• 39:51
  work
• 39:52
  with
• 39:52
  this
• 39:53
  text,
• 39:54
  then
• 39:54
  my
• 39:54
  sitting
• 39:55
  meditation
• 39:55
  seems
• 39:56
  to
• 39:56
  be
• 39:57
  deeper.
• 39:59
  So
• 39:59
  you're
• 39:59
  learning
• 40:00
  how
• 40:00
  to
• 40:00
  sort
• 40:01
  of
• 40:01
  harmonize
• 40:02
  with
• 40:02
  it.
• 40:02
  So
• 40:03
  it
• 40:03
  becomes
• 40:04
  a
• 40:05
  silencing
• 40:06
  influence.
• 40:07
  All
• 40:07
  these
• 40:07
  ideas
• 40:08
  become
• 40:08
  a
• 40:08
  silencing
• 40:09
  influence.
• 40:09
  That's.
• 40:10
  That's
• 40:11
  outstanding.
• 40:12
  Yeah.
• 40:13
  Only
• 40:13
  good
• 40:13
  speaking
• 40:14
  to
• 40:14
  you,
• 40:14
  gentlemen.
• 40:16
  Thanks
• 40:16
  so
• 40:17
  much
• 40:17
  me
• 40:17
  to
• 40:17
  another
• 40:17
  priceless.
• 40:18
  Talk
• 40:18
  to
• 40:19
  you
• 40:19
  next
• 40:19
  month.
• 40:19
  Yeah,
• 40:20
  thanks.
• 40:20
  Yeah.
• 40:21
  God
• 40:21
  bless
• 40:21
  you,
• 40:21
  Hameed.
• 40:21
  Thank
• 40:22
  you.
• 40:22
  You
• 40:23
  take
• 40:23
  care.
• 40:24
  Thank
• 40:24
  you
• 40:25
  very
• 40:25
  much
• 40:25
  for
• 40:25
  being
• 40:26
  a
• 40:26
  part
• 40:26
  of
• 40:26
  this
• 40:26
  conversation.
• 40:27
  We
• 40:28
  hope
• 40:28
  that
• 40:28
  you
• 40:28
  were
• 40:28
  moved,
• 40:29
  as
• 40:29
  we
• 40:29
  are
• 40:30
  moved,
• 40:30
  being
• 40:30
  part
• 40:30
  of
• 40:30
  it
• 40:31
  ourselves.
• 40:31
  We'd
• 40:32
  also
• 40:32
  like
• 40:32
  to
• 40:33
  say
• 40:33
  that
• 40:33
  this
• 40:33
  is
• 40:33
  being
• 40:34
  funded
• 40:34
  by
• 40:35
  Roger
• 40:35
  and
• 40:35
  myself.
• 40:35
  It
• 40:36
  comes
• 40:36
  out
• 40:36
  of
• 40:36
  our
• 40:36
  pockets.
• 40:37
  So
• 40:37
  if
• 40:37
  you
• 40:37
  would
• 40:37
  like
• 40:37
  to
• 40:37
  help
• 40:38
  us
• 40:38
  to.
• 40:39
  Mainly
• 40:39
  to
• 40:39
  get
• 40:40
  this
• 40:40
  podcast
• 40:40
  out
• 40:40
  to
• 40:41
  more
• 40:41
  people,
• 40:41
  because
• 40:42
  the
• 40:42
  bigger
• 40:42
  audience
• 40:42
  have,
• 40:43
  which
• 40:43
  is
• 40:43
  steadily
• 40:43
  growing,
• 40:44
  but
• 40:44
  the
• 40:44
  more
• 40:44
  people
• 40:45
  we
• 40:45
  can
• 40:45
  reach
• 40:45
  and
• 40:45
  the
• 40:45
  more
• 40:45
  marketing
• 40:46
  we
• 40:46
  can
• 40:46
  do,
• 40:47
  the
• 40:47
  more
• 40:47
  positive
• 40:48
  effect
• 40:48
  we
• 40:48
  can
• 40:48
  have
• 40:48
  on
• 40:49
  the
• 40:49
  world.
• 40:49
  So
• 40:49
  we've
• 40:50
  done
• 40:50
  a
• 40:50
  couple
• 40:50
  of
• 40:50
  ways,
• 40:51
  but
• 40:51
  we'd
• 40:51
  like
• 40:51
  you
• 40:51
  to
• 40:52
  buy
• 40:52
  us
• 40:52
  a
• 40:52
  cup
• 40:52
  of
• 40:52
  coffee.
• 40:53
  Very
• 40:53
  simple.
• 40:53
  And
• 40:54
  I
• 40:54
  do
• 40:54
  that
• 40:54
  with
• 40:54
  podcasts
• 40:55
  that
• 40:55
  I
• 40:56
  support,
• 40:56
  and
• 40:57
  I
• 40:57
  find
• 40:57
  it's
• 40:57
  very
• 40:58
  simple.
• 40:58
  Satisfied?
• 40:58
  So
• 40:59
  thank
• 40:59
  you
• 40:59
  for
• 40:59
  your
• 40:59
  help,
• 41:00
  thank
• 41:00
  you
• 41:00
  for
• 41:00
  your
• 41:00
  presence,
• 41:01
  and
• 41:01
  thank
• 41:01
  you
• 41:01
  for
• 41:02
  all
• 41:02
  you
• 41:02
  are
• 41:02
  and
• 41:03
  all
• 41:03
  you
• 41:03
  do.
• 41:03
  We
• 41:04
  love
• 41:04
  you.