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The Northman · The Art of Costume Podcast

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Linda actually talked about this incredible cloak to The
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Observer. She said it's called a the VAR
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welder. Welcome to the art of casting,
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walk out, simoes with joy glass and I'm Spencer Williams
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Elizabeth. What's up?
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I haven't seen you in a while. I know, I know.
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I have been gardening and rocking out the Florence and the
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Machine that is what I've been doing.
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That's fine. I feel like I've been all over.
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I went to Vegas for a weekend that was Insanity.
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I went to the lovers and friends festival and I got to see some
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of my favorite artists. I saw T-Pain Ja Rule Ashanti
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Sierra TLC. With that being said, it was
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like 200 degrees out. So I'll probably never step foot
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in the sun. Again, you were in the middle of
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Vegas. Yeah, it is hot there.
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I mean, I had it coming, I knew it was coming but when you're
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standing out there for 12 hours, it does start to hit but I've
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decided so I have I have a friend who lives in Vegas.
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So I Like, we'll go visit her, but I'm never like planning a
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trip to Vegas again. Unless someone else is planning
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it because it's just, it's a lot.
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It's a lot goin to Vegas. Yeah, I'm not a, I'm not a big
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Vegas person. I try.
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I go like this past time. I, you know, I drank and I
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gambled, but the whole time I was like, I don't know,
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something about this place, just doesn't match my energy.
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I'm not like a go, go, go, like, oh, I will drink here now.
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I'll drink there. Yeah, my money there.
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I'm like, I still like the be in bed.
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No, by also same the same which I think is always my problem and
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also like all the other times I've been to Vegas, I've always
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been very poor. I don't think they castles for
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like if you're going to have a good time I don't think you can
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be poor. That being said I would go with
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you and our friends, you know, a Visa Chloe Daniel that that
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would that would be fun. Because I think we're all the
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same energy, it would be like 11:00 and we'd all be like, all
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right. Well I'm off to bed off to bed.
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Yeah, maybe for my 30th I'll consider it and maybe oh, I do
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have a follow-up on this exciting journey of me trying to
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get a child-size popcorn. But okay.
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Yeah. The last time we spoke I was too
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scared to ask since then I have now upgraded my AMC subscription
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to the AMC, you know like stubs. Whatever.
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Since we're watching, explain that to me because I have Regal
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right now but I want to like I need to Compare and contrast
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them. Okay.
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Yeah, we could talk about Tyga after.
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But I figure, you know, we're seeing so many movies for the
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podcast, like, I gotta tell ya, I gotta get in there.
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With that being said, I walked up ready to get like a little
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baby popcorn, but because I'm a member now, they're like, oh, do
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you want the free upgrade to the large popcorn and large drink?
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Like, if I walk away, I'll show you the picture, I have a giant
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popcorn, the size of my entire body.
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And the large and a large Coke that I could probably take a
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bath in it few answer we need we need to change this culture in
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America. We don't need these things, we
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don't need it but I'm not going to pay for the subscription and
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not upgrading. Okay.
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Imagine like in a subscription be like no can I still get the
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small popcorn? Yes they're like solutely you're
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losing money at this point. I think I don't know how it
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works. So That's how it works.
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I ate like, half the tub to of popcorn, by the end of the
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northmen, I was feeling a lot of different emotions.
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Also, I was like 10 pounds heavier of just popcorn and my
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multiple free refills of coke. Now, you know, it was just, it
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was a disaster. I just was not feeling great.
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I don't know if that the northmen really helped to.
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I doubt it. I doubted everybody this week we
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saw the north man. Man, that was a film.
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That was a film. We haven't talked about it.
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I even text Elizabeth and she can order me to me, I think you
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forget we have like a three-hour time difference.
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I do often. Yeah, I forget.
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That was like the middle of the night for me.
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So I don't think I saw that text to like the next morning it was
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like 11. There's like 11 p.m. my time so
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Elizabeth's definitely been asleep.
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For like it easy, six hours at this point and I was like, shit
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was crazy. Oh yeah, oh no.
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I remember why I didn't respond. I meant to respond to you, but
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it was one of those gross mornings for I have to get up at
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3:30 for work. Oh yeah, I saw it.
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And then I was like, oh, I should respond to that and I
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didn't know I was probably just going to bed.
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Yeah, let's talk about this. This film was crazy.
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I don't know how I feel about it yet.
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So I'm excited for this podcast because I'm hoping by the end of
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this podcast. I'll know how I feel about it.
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I don't know how I feel about the film, but the costumes were
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actually killer, so I think you should start us off with a
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summary Spencer. The costumes were killer.
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Let me give you a little summary and let's just start by saying
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that there are, you know, Elizabeth and I are not good
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with names. This is a pretty name a movie so
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it's yeah, be a rough one, but we're gonna give it our best
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shot. I have to say I was kind Okay,
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with the names in this because I watched every single season of
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Vikings. Yeah.
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So I would like recognize some of the names.
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But that there were some names, I was just like oof, I don't
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know man and I play Assassin's Creed Valhalla, where you play a
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character named a velour. So that's, that's my background.
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Is playing a Viking game. Elizabeth has some Viking
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television work, so we're just going to give her best shot.
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After witnessing the brutal murder of his father, King Ivan
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Dale at the hands of his uncle fuel near young embolus swears
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to avenge his father, and to save his mother, who he believes
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was forcefully taken by his uncle, however, as an adult, he
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finds that, not everything. He believed was what it seemed
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actually. Nothing was as a single thing.
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Nothing everybody that if you haven't seen this new care about
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spoilers for this movie, go watch it because Me to talk
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about this. Because first things first
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starting at this moment, this was a classic case of
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miscommunication. This whole story is classic
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miscommunication. Yeah.
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And it's like, I get that his mother was not thrilled with
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having him but like, maybe just turn your child against his
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father. Like maybe not just like Tell
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him all these fairy tales and then try to have him murdered
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what it was real confusing. Can I just say that?
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Nicole Kidman playing a villain was staggering.
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It was horrifying. I've never seen that before.
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I was like, oh my gosh, specially after, you know, that
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you don't have this at Regal, but AMC, we have the ridiculous.
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Nicole Kidman commercial that starts every film, which I
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absolutely love her. She's like, oh my gosh, I have
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to say, it's so good. It's so beautiful.
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And then we get into the film. And she's like, this, Whit's
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Viking queen and I was like, I was not ready, not ready.
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Well before we get too into it because I feel like at this
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point we're just gonna start talking about the movie.
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Yeah, yeah. Let's go behind the Wardrobe
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because we have to Rector Robert Eggers who I have to say I'm not
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familiar with his work up until this point, really?
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No, I haven't. I haven't seen the witch or the
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lighthouse so I'm not really familiar.
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I've always known he's Like an interesting director, but this,
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I was like, who this took the cake, but then we have costume
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designer, Linda mirror who she holds a special place in my
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heart because her notable works are the, which in 2015, the
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lighthouse, both with Robert Eggers, and then, she also
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costume designed the second two seasons of Bitten, which is one
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of my favorite cheesy TV shows of all time.
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Never heard of it. You have watched episodes from
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this because I was depression watching this in our apartment
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when we live together, this is like wrong.
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You've seen it. You have absolutely seen it play
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on that pleather couch. We had watch this when I didn't
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know what to do with my life, I'm a big fan of Linda's work on
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the, which I love the which I'm feel like the only person About
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this planet that loves the which because people give me so much
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slack for watching this movie. I think, it's so good.
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I've never seen it. I have a vague memory of talking
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about like going to the theaters with you, to go see it.
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Yeah I like with our friends but for some reason that never
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happened. So I've never seen though.
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I'm brought our like big old friend group and everyone walked
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on there. Like Spencer fuck you how dare
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you bring me to see the shit movie?
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And that's like, did we see the same movie?
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I thought it was fantastic. Like, I love it.
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It's oh my God. I sound like friends, too.
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I think there was Anya, Taylor Joy is like one of her very
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first film's. I mean, she was itty-bitty.
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Yeah. Because, I remember, I remember
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seeing her in the previews for it and being like, isn't she a
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model? Why is she right?
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Why is she in this? But it sounds like Linda had
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quite the experience on this film.
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And thankfully, she's some like quite a few interviews about the
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northmen, which is really awesome.
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She didn't interview. With Vogue where she said, it
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was the biggest project I've ever done the biggest team I've
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ever worked with and the best experience of my career.
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So I love that so sweet and she talked a lot about, you know,
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her collaboration with Robert and she said he provides me with
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an incredible amount of information and takes, great
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care and answering my questions and filling me in, not just on
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the back story of the Actors. But then how the back story
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relates to the sagas relates to the culture because I found out
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after watching this movie that this is based on the Saga of am
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with which is apparently it's Scandinavian like folktale.
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Okay. So I'm like that explains like a
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little bit like why? This is so that makes me feel a
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little better actually. Yeah.
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I like that. Please.
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Why? This is like, wild.
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This is a wild movie. People like don't expect to
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understand exactly what's going on.
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I also found out according to Wikipedia and a grunge article
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that I am with is the inspiration for William
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Shakespeare's Hamlet. Hmm.
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That's interesting. Like that also helps like
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understand the story a little bit where they I told you.
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We just got do this podcast that's all coming.
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Together slowly. Right?
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We make our official scientific opinion.
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Exactly exactly what Robert also did for Linda is gave her a
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bunch of bunch of research. He's apparently very into
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research and like, you know, being historically, accurate,
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which they really attempted to do with this movie even though
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clearly some parts give or take accurate, they are, but even
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After she was given all of his research Linda did her own and
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she said it was challenging to do research for this film
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because a lot of it was in Polish, Ukrainian or Lithuanian
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and so needed to be translated for her.
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That's when, you know, you got the good research, right?
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Right. She also talked to Vogue about
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some of the really extra. She really did her research for
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this, the research she did. She said to Vogue, Along with
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reading the sagas, I came across a book by a woman called Neil
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Glassell. Forgive me.
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If that's not how you pronounce her name, who is Danish.
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But lives in Norway now and she's been making Viking
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clothing. For over 20 years, she is a
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living archaeologists, a contemporary Viking woman.
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And so I had some questions about very specific designs that
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I wanted to include particularly for Queen, Goodra means
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costuming. And from Neal's book, I gleaned
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that this idea that pleaded pleaded shifts would go under
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all her clothes and be used as night where Neil and I started
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up a conversation via email and she was terrifically helpful.
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So I thought, maybe I'll ask you all to come and join us.
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She doesn't have film experience, but she certainly
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has a viking experience and that was in hindsight.
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I really crucial decision because she just she was just a
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A font of information about these very specific construction
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techniques. I would look at pieces from
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museums or things that archaeologists had written.
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But then to translate that into actually constructing, these
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pieces was a whole other tasks. So she was just like grabbing a
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modern biking woman which I had heard of people like modern
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Vikings who actually like live and dress and like make clothing
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as if they were still living in that era.
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This. I love this.
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Yeah. But like I'd kind of forgotten
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about it. Um so I love that.
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She found this archaeologist woman who's also like a
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modern-day Viking and it's like, you know what, maybe we should
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just bring you on. I love that.
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That's real cool. I love this idea that there's
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modern Vikings. I just I want to go, I want to
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go to, I found a website and I think you I think we might be
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able to do this, um but I need to read into it more.
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Or but it really was helpful. And like I gotta say like these
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are very accurate to the period, She said to a frame, they kind
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of had this concept while making the costumes of the five W's.
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She said at the start, everyone was on the same page in terms of
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why we were doing what we were doing, why we were doing so much
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hand-sewing, why we were doing so much?
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Mmm. Hurry and how we were doing what
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we were doing. So she was like these five.
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Why's this, this is this is what we're doing.
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This is why we're doing it. Everybody has to be on board for
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this to work, everyone's like Linda, why are we doing so much
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hand-sewing? Why can't I use my machine?
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She's like, keep doing it, she's it's for the Viking culture and
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because they wanted to be, so detail-oriented and specific to
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this period, the film has over. And 20 original costume costume
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designs and almost 1200 crowd costumes.
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Well, because she was like, you couldn't just go to a warehouse
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and pick up what we were looking for.
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I don't know how they got the 1200 costumes.
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Like, feel like there, weren't that many people in this movie,
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I guess there was a lot of nose like that opening scene, and
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then that Village that we quickly ran through.
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But whenever that they destroyed, Yeah, she said to
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Vogue we have an incredible team I think over 80 makers.
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There was an extraordinary amount of hand sewing and hand
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Embroidery in this film. So we had our work cut out for
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us. You think a lot of the textiles
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I found were one-offs. They were plant died pieces and
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beautifully hand-woven Wolves at At one point, I was joking that
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I was afraid. It was going to kill her polish
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Weaver. He was 80 years old and just
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kept ass. And I just kept asking for more
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and more of his beautiful wall, but they had to be, they had to
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pre cut the pieces into certain dimensions in order to plant dye
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them effectively. So for our purposes, where we
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might need, three of the same garment I had to figure out
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different ways, Extending the fabric to make, all the garments
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we needed but in the end it was actually very Viking approach.
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They were incredibly economical. I mean, there really isn't one
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complete garment certainly not complete outfit that is
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available to inspect from that time which is really a problem.
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Like like she said the Vikings were very resourceful people and
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kind of despite how they're portrayed.
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They weren't like ravaging Savage.
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Has all the time like within their communities.
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They had very structured culture.
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It. They made what they needed and
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there really is not a lot surviving because they didn't
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make a lot of excess. That's just not something they
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did. Yeah.
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And even in like, you know, we have a lot of information about
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what they wore from burials, but even that stuff is like, you
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know, kind of falls apart. Once you uncover the two, Rooms
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and then also like tapestries and like carvings and stuff from
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the time. But it's like there's really no
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truly accurate depiction of what they wore, right?
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So she had her work cut out for her on this film.
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That's insane. I mean you can tell just from
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like watching a trailer like oh this is gonna be very costumey
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lots of hard work than like I really hope she gets like an
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Oscar nod cuz She put in the work and it looks beautiful.
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Like, that's honestly not to downplay anybody's work in this
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film, but the costumes were the best part of this movie.
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Yeah. No.
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I think I agree with you is a lot of fun.
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I'm just really excited to jump into it.
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I've been dying to talk about this with you, so let's take a
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break and get into it. Absolutely.
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support. I will kill you fall there.
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I was driving home. Just like that to myself.
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I hope that you father. I'll save you my turn.
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I will kill you if only ER, all right, let's Get It.
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Smash about, I don't think I've ever seen Willem Dafoe underused
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until this movie. I this, okay, so let's just,
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we'll get into it. I was not feeling this movie.
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When we were watching this Willem Dafoe stuff, Tough and
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the scene that follows when when omelette and his dad are
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running. They're running around barking
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like dogs and then his dad like burps, and little Hamlet gives
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like a little, he gives like a little little to, I was like,
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what, what is this? Like, I don't know, Willem
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dafoe's jumping around like a animal and with his very bad.
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Hairline. I was like, I don't know.
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What did I sign up for? I have to say this, this movie
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was not what I expected. No, not at all.
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It's, it's not. It is I feel like the whoever
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edited the preview should win an award.
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Yeah, because this is also a case of miscommunication.
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I thought we were sitting down for like this period epic, like,
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War film lots of battles. No.
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It's just like Like a very dramatic family Revenge Story.
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I mean it was. Yeah, and it starts off with
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Willem Dafoe as hey mirror at the fool who looking back on it.
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He was the only one who knew what was actually going on and
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trying to warn the king, but it's like, dude straightforward
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communication. I feel like Spencer to fool at
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this moment. Yeah.
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He always, he looks so dirty and I'm like I guess like what like
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what is his hat even supposed to be?
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It looks like a chicken like with horns or something.
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I was cutting Dragon Vibes, just like with the colors and the
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horns coming off of it. Like, I was thinking maybe a
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dragon, either way, it was just like there's a lot, but in terms
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of like a fool costume nailed it.
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I mean, this is I knew exactly what this character was a
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second. I saw Willem Dafoe.
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It was just startling the It's a Willem Dafoe as the full a, yes.
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Yeah, it was all so startling to after this scene.
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And after like, that weird drug-induced scene with his
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father, we only see Willem Dafoe one more time and it's his
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mummified head. Yeah.
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It's that was a lot too. And he still has like, the very
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bad hairline in a large forehead.
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Is this a lot? It was a lot.
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It also didn't help that he was not wearing pants.
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And that scene I was like, oh, Okay.
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The man holding his mummified head.
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Oh, that, man and Willem Dafoe. He's not wearing pants.
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Oh, and that, and that in his gesture, it's just like a tunic
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with like the socks, huh? I must have missed that was
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Pride, distracted by all of the things.
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I really happened in that scene. I was disturbing and distracting
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gonna say, what? But I was like, I almost walked
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out of the theater. I didn't know what I was looking
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up for a Time, the first It's like 20 minutes of this film was
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pretty rough. I'll say house like I don't
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know. Yeah I signed up for but I'm
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gonna stick with it because at the end of the day I know
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there's gonna be some Alexander Skarsgard nudity and Viking.
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So I was like let's do this and it's like I feel bad because you
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can tell everybody put like so much work into this.
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I'm just like something was missed in Translation when it
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came to the scripts, right? Talking about things getting
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missed in, An Ethan Hawke as king Arvin Dale were Ravin.
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Yeah. I'll say that.
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I did not realize those Ethan Hawke and till yesterday, when I
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was reviewing our notes before podcast recording, I don't.
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When I now that I look at him like, oh, obviously, that's
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Ethan Hawke. We just stood Moon night.
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Like that's clearly him. But it didn't dawn to me when we
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were in the theaters. Yeah, I recognized him but I
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couldn't like I was like, Like, like I was like, I just saw this
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person in something and then when I went, I am dbms like
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Ethan, Hawke. His costume was sick though.
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I mean, this was like a, this was like a little bit more of a
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recognizable like Viking king Ward raven costume, like I knew
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this costume. It was very well done.
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Yeah, so Linda actually talked about this, look to indiewire.
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She said from the waist up he's a king.
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The fur for The interior of the cloak was done in Rome and there
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was an excessive amount of red Martin on the inside of his
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cloak, which was made of intricate woven wool and
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jewelry, and I gave him practical, trousers, and workday
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boots appropriate for conducting raids.
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So she was like, lavish lavish cloak, but also very practical
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because, like, he's coming back from a raid in that first scene.
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Yep. Come back from work honey.
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Yeah. He's like, I just did some good
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pillaging, but I got look good too, but married to Nicole
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Kidman. Absolutely.
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Absolutely, absolutely. She did talk a little bit about,
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like, his, his crown and his, um, his helmet because crowns
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weren't really worn in that period, but they felt like he
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needed something. So that's why you just have the
26:45
very simple like circlet and then like the Metal work on the
26:50
helmets. They were like they fell her
26:53
naggers felt like people wouldn't really understand that.
26:56
He was a king without those kind of symbols.
27:00
Yeah. They just want with something
27:01
very simple. That's fair.
27:03
I guess. For us who we talk about,
27:05
costumes all day, we probably wouldn't have known but I guess
27:07
every day people might not and I have to say, I love the Kings
27:11
helmet. When he comes back from the raid
27:13
to do, that's like a very recognizable like helmet that we
27:17
could probably track back into. History to.
27:19
So, very beautiful. Absolutely.
27:23
Also, very beautiful was young, am 'let?
27:28
I love, she had her like her boards in a lot of the
27:32
interview. She did the Articles had
27:34
pictures of her boards and just how much thought she put into
27:39
everything. And she found out just kind of
27:41
how important embroidery was for their clothing.
27:45
She said, 2nd wire for young amulets, Assume he has a very
27:50
specific bands of tablet weaving a dragon band on his chest
27:57
embroidery of Shields and Spears around the bottom of his cloak.
28:02
There are these are intended to promote learnings success later
28:07
and battle all calls to the God, God's, as someone to watch.
28:13
Hmm, so she was like very specific because you look at it
28:17
and it just looks like like oh, Oh nice embroidery but it all
28:22
has a meaning to it. Yeah, is very beautiful with
28:27
young amethyst. I like his costume because it
28:29
is, you could tell this very Noble and sophisticated,
28:33
clearly, he's the King's son but also still like a little.
28:38
I don't know. I guess like of the people to at
28:40
the same time. Like it is very resourceful.
28:42
Yeah. And practical but still has like
28:45
that sense of like royalty to it.
28:49
And at the time, there wasn't a big style difference between
28:53
nobility and commoners what was different was the quality of the
28:59
wool or linen and the color. It was died because it's like
29:05
you know the more money you had the better die you could have
29:11
the better job of you know quality wool and also I believe
29:16
they would often like re-dye their Oh, 'thing, so it's like
29:20
if you had the money to read I your clothing every year.
29:23
Like it would always be vibrant and bright or as like, you know,
29:27
someone might be only able to afford to read, I something like
29:29
every couple of years, right? Good ol young.
29:33
Am with your kids. I still can't get over to the
29:38
scene when he was running around jumping like a wolf and barking
29:41
and drinking out of a bowl. And yeah, that's like burned
29:46
into my brain. But then I kept on If like, oh,
29:49
this is probably like, some sort of, like, old tradition.
29:52
I don't understand. So I shouldn't try to understand
29:56
it because I'm not there, but it was just a lot, I think so.
30:01
I don't, I mean he clearly did his research.
30:05
I don't. Because a lot of, if I'm
30:08
remembering correctly, a lot of like the Viking sagas and
30:10
everything weren't recorded to like the tail end of like the
30:15
Viking era because they didn't have like, A written tradition,
30:19
they had an oral tradition of passing down stories and stuff.
30:23
So it's kind of like is that really what they did or isn't
30:26
it? I also know that they have like
30:30
they were like very fascinated with like bears and wolves to
30:35
like that. They did take a lot of like that
30:38
like animal spirit was like saving a lot and their
30:41
traditions and like that beserker costume, which we're
30:44
going to talk about later to like that's all It's all there.
30:49
It's all. There it is.
30:50
All there. Also Nicole Kidman.
30:53
She's got everything on. Yeah, Queen good run.
30:57
Queen good run. Oh, good old chetak.
31:02
Queen of miscommunication. Not just her people.
31:08
She would have told us early on. Hey, I don't like your father
31:11
and I don't, particularly like you.
31:14
If I were you, I would leave. I feel like a lot of this could
31:16
have been avoided. Yeah I'm like okay I feel like
31:21
the reason she doesn't like him is because she was a slave and
31:25
kind of like forced into this marriage and like having you
31:29
know, their son and when she's talking to and listen as an
31:34
adult about she's like he was just another filthy slave
31:37
trader, did the de and then I'm like, wait, but your current
31:40
husband is a slim straight away. And also understand the logic
31:46
when Emily Was like I saw you getting carried away and you're
31:49
screaming and gudrun was like, no, I was like laughing.
31:55
And I was like, thank you weren't you were screaming.
31:58
I was so mad. I was like, dang, it mom.
32:00
Like no, that's not what happened.
32:03
No, I know and I'm like, and then she was almost like, hey,
32:07
become king, and I'll become your queen and I'm like, as I
32:10
write this is not Greek. Roman mythology.
32:14
Hold up. You just said you loved her
32:16
husband. Five seconds ago, right?
32:19
But I'm also like I wonder if she's just someone who liked
32:23
just add Ops, whatever story fits her best at the time or
32:29
would what will ever give her like the best Advantage.
32:32
I mean, at the end of the day, it's all about like survival,
32:35
not just for Queen gudren but also like all the like slaves
32:39
are working in a field. Like it's all about survival.
32:42
Everyone here is just trying to do what takes like like not only
32:45
is like, it's a very like harsh world.
32:47
Old, you know, with all this like rating and pillaging.
32:50
It's also harsh. Roland's, terms of like the
32:52
environment and like everything about just harsh.
32:55
So I feel like everyone's just trying to do what they do to get
32:57
through and queen gudren for some reason just like I'm we'll
33:01
just marry whoever and, you know, even if it's my own son,
33:06
you know, I just told him I hate him but maybe I don't hate him
33:09
or maybe I do hate him. I don't know.
33:10
I have a very confused. I was very confused who wasn't
33:14
confused was a Linda when she was talking.
33:17
Into Vogue, she said about Queen, good runs costumes, kind
33:26
of the historical research behind them.
33:31
She said I was talking to Neil price, who is a archaeologist
33:37
and historical consultant for the film about Viking women,
33:42
when designing Nicole's costume and I asked, for instance, What
33:47
do you think might have made a viking, woman feel sexy, Miracle
33:52
recalls and he kind of laughed and said no one has ever asked
33:56
me that before I like that thinking because I feel like
34:03
Nicole Kidman feel sexy and every one of her looks right.
34:07
I totally see that to something about it but she's not revealing
34:11
anything. She's very absolute the colors
34:14
and a jewelry and that further that's around here, too.
34:17
To for a good part of the film. Yeah.
34:19
And I feel like that's such like a smart question because like,
34:23
you know, I think people just assume like, oh, they didn't
34:26
dress to be sexy back then because nothing is sexy by our
34:30
standards, right? But it's like they absolutely
34:33
did. Like she's still a woman who
34:36
like wants to look good for her man.
34:39
Great. For her husband that she might
34:42
like. Her may not like, we don't know.
34:44
Who knows? Linda.
34:47
Also talked about the costume to indiewire.
34:50
She said the high status for the symbols are colored and all
34:55
plant, based dies matter, red, blue, green Marigold.
35:01
It took a lot of time and money to read.
35:04
I back then it's all about layers and excess.
35:09
If you've got a train on your dress and it's pleated linen,
35:14
that takes a lot of effort and she had an An apron dress with
35:18
big gold brass brooches, and we added for cloth done with
35:25
decorative braid and some of it has gold threads embedded in it
35:30
and she has strains of glass beads.
35:33
So she was basically like she has everything expensive.
35:37
Yeah, Queen gudrun was decked out from head to toe at all
35:42
times at all times, even once like, they lose their Kingdom
35:48
and are like kind of like running that Village in Iceland.
35:53
She still looks fantastic. Like she's still got those deep
35:57
Reds and we were talking about funeral outfits last week there
36:02
are all white funeral look. Oh yeah that was nice like yeah
36:07
real nice. What am I favorites?
36:11
I was also a big fan of her nightgown.
36:14
Yeah. I was like yes.
36:16
Nicole Kidman knows. To wear a nightgown.
36:18
This at first, I was like, why is Nicole Kidman playing this
36:21
character? But then I'm like, this
36:22
character is perfect for a Nicole Kidman at the same time.
36:26
Something about like her facial structure.
36:28
Like I just had a Nicole Kidman all over it and I just have to
36:32
say that she is. It might be a wig but it could
36:36
also be Nicole. Kidman's, hair.
36:37
That's her hair. It's very beautiful.
36:40
I would like to pay good money to brush her hair.
36:44
That sounds nice right. Like Would pay good money to
36:48
have that kind of hair. I think, if I'm being completely
36:53
honest, whose hair, I would not pay to have.
36:58
We have claws. Bang as phone near the brother
37:01
lives. Hmm.
37:04
Yeah. Fuel near.
37:06
He was, he was a cool guy. He's sucking guy.
37:12
I was like, what do you want out of your life?
37:14
Like why are you doing this? I'm confused.
37:17
Used that first time we saw him when he will, I should say the
37:20
second time because he went from like being a cool guy in the
37:23
Kingdom to being evil, and I'm back to being a village.
37:27
The second time we saw when they shot em lifts, father, he looked
37:33
real scary, had like this helmet.
37:35
That was covering his face. His men were like hooded and
37:38
cloaked, it's very creepy. And they have these like wool
37:43
Mass, which I was like, oh that's scary.
37:47
Yeah. I was creeped out.
37:48
Yeah and Linda actually talked about this incredible cloak to
37:53
The Observer. She said it's called a the VAR
37:58
Felder dear Just keep going.
38:18
She said it's called a Harvard now you know, got me messed up
38:23
Spencer, it's fine though. Everyone understands is carry on
38:26
with the quote called of our were Felder and that is perhaps
38:31
the most authentic piece of Viking clothing.
38:33
In the film, I came across an image that was just gnarly and
38:38
crazy. And thought to myself, what is
38:41
this? This is just too amazing.
38:44
The of our felder's were Open on a vertical Loom and they used
38:51
the long and short tog and floss of Icelandic sheep.
38:58
They were used in the Viking age as a commodity, so like metal
39:04
and even slaves. Vulva tears would be sold or
39:07
traded because they were incredibly warm water.
39:11
Just shakes right off them as opposed to hides, which even
39:16
when treated Let's get stiff. Ours was made in Norway and
39:21
because of covid. And the furlough we had enough
39:25
time to actually make an authentic one.
39:27
Mmm, I love it. So I just assumed that at first,
39:32
that, that was an animal hide. But no, that is a cloak woven of
39:36
sheep hair. That is crazy.
39:39
I love it. Yeah, I want to look more.
39:42
I looked up a company that actually does them and they kind
39:46
of have like a Occasional sigh. And I want to look more into it
39:49
because it's really fun. I want to read about that too,
39:52
right? It's wild.
39:53
It's true that after let's have a research party.
39:56
Yes. But what I was confused by
39:59
though, was when we fast-forward years later and feel near was
40:03
like, leading this Village, which I was like what are the
40:05
chances that am life? Ended up at this Village, but
40:09
that was whatever he intentionally went to that
40:13
Village because he knew his uncle was there.
40:15
Did you miss that? Well, I mean, I heard it, but he
40:18
made it sound like, there was like this big Kingdom, and he
40:21
had, like, multiple Villages or whatnot.
40:23
So, I just felt like the chances.
40:26
So, felt weird. He lost his, because his father,
40:31
his brother was King. So he became he became king of
40:34
his brothers land. But then another king basically
40:39
took it or not, it's a kingdom. And then this Village is
40:42
basically like, what's left. Okay, I was confused.
40:47
But either way, fuel near looked like way different though.
40:51
All these years later, like I didn't realize it's the same
40:54
person. Actually, I thought was a
40:56
different actor. Actually.
40:58
No, my hair's gotten to him. And I was like, why did they
41:02
call Kidman? Married different man.
41:04
I was like, oh my gosh, that is him and, yeah, you're right,
41:06
like, time out a fall from grace.
41:09
I mean, he still looked great. I mean, it's not like he was
41:12
like old and decrepit but like clearly like the environment
41:15
high like taking some years off of him.
41:17
Him. Hmm.
41:18
Absolutely. And in that final not final
41:22
scene but the last scene in which he's wearing clothing.
41:25
Um, he he was actually they originally had him wearing the
41:33
VAR Felder in that last scene because they were like, oh,
41:36
let's bring It full circle. Have him.
41:38
We're like What He was wearing when he killed, you know, Emma's
41:43
father. In this final scene, kind of
41:46
like a fool. Call moment.
41:47
But they said it was just too big for the scene.
41:50
Like they're like, it just did not look right and so they had
41:54
to get rid of it. Also, I wonder if you would be
41:57
able to like fight in that look to like a, like he knew that
42:00
ambulance is here at this point. So I felt like he dress a little
42:03
bit more like a little bit more ready to move.
42:06
You know, in case you have a fight, of course, we all pitch
42:11
to clothing for a volcano fight later on, but yeah, yeah.
42:17
But you know I think it's time for a little break and when we
42:20
get back Spencer guess who were going to talk about.
42:25
Oh I guess I you know I'm dying everybody take a break because
42:30
you got to get ready for Alexander Skarsgard.
42:33
Let's talk about be York. Oh, well, we clearly have
42:37
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42:56
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43:43
favorite Skarsgard? I'm ready for some pillaging.
43:46
I haven't seen some pillaging it.
43:48
Let's do it. Yeah, we have Alexander
43:51
Skarsgard as grown-up am. 'Let looking scary, bear.
43:57
Scary. Yeah, I love it but I knew
44:01
exactly what they're doing is, says it started like this Viking
44:05
Berserker just like bloodthirsty ready to go showing an animal
44:10
qualities. I was like, oh my gosh, is that
44:12
Alexander Skarsgard? Yes.
44:16
So I find this like this wolf, headpiece weird because
44:24
apparently she talked about 2nd wire.
44:26
It's both a Wolf and a bear because she said he channels the
44:32
spirit of both those creatures. I wish she had talked more about
44:38
it because I didn't understand, I didn't understand but it's
44:43
scary. It's so scary.
44:46
Very scary thought. I was also excited to use like
44:50
oh this is what I wanted to see in this movie like that first
44:53
initial fight scene. Oh my gosh, apart when someone
44:55
throws a spear and with Herbs that turns out and throws it
44:59
back like at the person. Yeah, I was like, okay, this is
45:02
what I was here. Hover.
45:03
Like we're gated so bad, it was so cool.
45:12
Um, I don't know if it's realistic but I didn't really
45:14
care at that point. I was like, yeah.
45:17
Hey probably probably. But like this, like these are
45:21
the looks, we see him in in the trailer and I was like, yes,
45:25
this is what I came here for. Or I came here for an shirtless
45:29
Alexander Skarsgard the be in the wild like that.
45:35
That's what I came here for. Thank you, for finally providing
45:38
that after like 20 minutes. She also said to a frame, that
45:45
Comfort was a huge thing for Alexander, because he's in every
45:50
single scene, he's basically. He's on set, basically every day
45:55
and very inclement weather. They're the physicality is
45:59
amazing and he's such a trooper which then she talks about a
46:07
rumor apparently went around the internet that he wore the same
46:12
pair of boots through the entire filming.
46:16
My God. This movie what nerds are
46:18
spreading that rumor come, right?
46:21
That was Elizabeth. And I don't seem like, the only
46:24
two people that would care about something like that, right?
46:26
I don't even heard about this and Linda just Smith's to the
46:32
rumor saying he has many pairs of boots in this film.
46:38
As she explained to a frame saying about the boots they were
46:42
in varying levels of dirtiness. We actually made boots, that
46:46
looked like they had wraps of leather, to make it look like
46:49
the character was trying to keep them going, but it would be
46:53
insane to ask someone to do that long of a shoe.
46:58
In a single pair of boots. And I'm not insane.
47:03
Like no. No.
47:05
She's like, I know what my job is.
47:08
And to say, that's what I did, is insane, I'm not crazy.
47:11
Yeah. Clearly whoever made this rumor
47:13
up, doesn't know anything about costume design that just doesn't
47:16
make sense. It doesn't make sense like, just
47:19
from because she said, like the weather wasn't great and I
47:23
forget where they, I don't know if they actually were they I
47:28
read somewhere they shot in Ireland.
47:30
I think I'm not positive though, but if it was Ireland.
47:34
Yeah, weather is not great. Yeah, whether her is not good.
47:41
I want to talk about real quick, I don't know if you know, but in
47:44
like the won, the first fight scenes, were ameth is like,
47:48
writing through that Village. She has the circle.
47:50
It's on his arms. Do you know what those are for?
47:53
Because I noticed them multiple times and I just didn't really,
47:57
I mean it. Great.
47:58
But I noticed them, so they're kind of a plot point and Vikings
48:03
not a plot point, but like a featured thing in Vikings and
48:07
Vikings. It was basically, like, you
48:09
would swear on them to like, your king in the gods.
48:13
And it was kind of like, an outward expression of like your
48:20
your belief in the gods and like your loyalty to like your Chief,
48:24
are your king, almost like someone.
48:27
Might wear, like, a cross necklace, right?
48:29
Is what these armbands are. From my understanding from
48:33
Vikings, which, I mean, that first season was pretty
48:37
historically accurate, which is when they talked about these the
48:40
most. So I believe that's what they
48:42
are. Okay, cool.
48:44
That's I kind of figured or something like that.
48:47
I knew you would be the one who might know, who might know, cuz
48:52
I just watch way too much television.
48:56
Also, I couldn't find really good pictures of this, but she
49:00
said, she talked to a frame about this, you know, we see in
49:05
the village he grew up in and then we see him, one of the
49:07
first scenes we see him as an adult is he's rowing a boat and
49:12
she said, you know, where he comes, the people he comes from,
49:16
they don't use like, they don't use buttons, are like, Fasteners
49:22
and then where he escapes to then you see like button like
49:26
fasteners, Hers. And she said to a frame.
49:33
There are no buttons in her fancy her fancy.
49:38
Okay. Sorry, if that's incorrect.
49:41
They weren't used at that period, at that place.
49:46
So now we moved the land of the ruse, which is where they use
49:51
where they were used. So his linen shirt features, a
49:55
whole row of hand. Past buttons.
49:59
So I'm like, that's like the level of research detail they
50:03
did for this like hey during the same period, this place over
50:07
here didn't use buttons. But this place over here use
50:10
buttons and now we're over here. So it's going to have buttons.
50:12
That's crazy. I love that, but that's so much.
50:18
Who was also very much, was your girl, Bjork as the Seer s.
50:24
Oh my gosh, I was so excited. I mean this Is really one of the
50:28
reasons why I wanted to watch this film at the end of day.
50:31
I was like, I needed to be Orcs returned to film, and she's
50:35
basically playing herself. Yeah, she's called a serious
50:38
with. This is be York, who happened to
50:40
be time traveling back to this world question.
50:45
I have a very serious question for you because I'm not super
50:48
familiar with York. Uh-huh!
50:50
Is she an immortal? I think so.
50:52
Yeah, because this woman does not look like she's aged since
50:56
the 90s is not aged a day. And I heard her voice when her
50:59
few lines, which he delivered perfectly.
51:02
I mean, that's just her voice. I get sounded like could be
51:04
York. She like loves the role, all of
51:08
her arse and like everything about hers was so cool.
51:12
I was so excited like this costume kind of like, makes the
51:19
movie. It was worth watching the movie
51:21
to see this. Yeah, she talked, she talked
51:25
about this, of course, in every single interview.
51:27
You this was brought up of course, and in the interview to
51:32
a frame, she talks a lot about a lot of, like, the meaning behind
51:37
what was warned. She said her costume has
51:40
embroidery and Spade which all of wish was hand-embroidered.
51:45
Oh my gosh. Photographed and screened on to
51:49
the costume. And her skirt is many many slav
51:54
belt sewn together with A beautiful barley headdress and
52:00
the shells and bells, which were for fertility and the bells to
52:06
ward off people's Spirits be Works.
52:10
Costume is an intense magnification of all those
52:16
cultural aspects. Yeah, I mean you could tell all
52:19
the research like came together in this one costume.
52:24
Yes, I'd like everything came together in this Costume.
52:27
And then they did this really cool effect which I did not like
52:32
the city through the several times during the film where
52:35
suddenly everything's black and white.
52:37
But you can't tell if it's actually black or white, or
52:39
they're just trying to make it seem like he's seeing the dark.
52:43
I don't know. It was beautiful, like, kudos,
52:47
to whoever the cinematographer was, right?
52:49
Because this was actually a beautifully shot, but it really
52:52
bothers me to go from like full color to maybe black and Is, it
53:00
was more like a black and like blue to me, if I felt like it
53:03
was, it was something right? It was it was something and she
53:10
talked about this to the Observer.
53:12
She said, I played around with what colors to use for her
53:16
because in the daylight, you see the slaw villagers wearing
53:20
garments with red, and black embroidery, and with
53:24
cinematographer yaran, Laska so sorry sir lighting.
53:33
It just would have with the cinematographers lighting, it
53:37
just would have gone to Black and wouldn't have any detail at
53:41
all. So we ended up with pinks Grays
53:44
and peachy colors, which all read beautifully in the light.
53:48
If you see her in a colored frog, photograph it's not.
53:53
The color is at all that she appears in appears on the Oh my
53:58
gosh, I would love to find a photo.
53:59
Now, I've heard the daylight because this right is really
54:02
dark creepy. Mystical elf is actually like
54:05
peachy and pink and little bit red white.
54:09
Very Valentine's Day colors. Yeah, which is so funny because
54:14
like, it is actually incredible. How much detail you can see,
54:20
especially of her necklaces. She wore like a million
54:24
necklaces and Linda said to Vogue that the night before,
54:30
shooting be your called her and said could we add chicken feet
54:36
to one of the necklaces? So I said, okay, let me see what
54:42
I can do. I called Craig and he had some
54:46
latex chicken feet they made for props so I sat at my desk and
54:51
quickly made that up the night before shooting that's its same.
54:58
We are just like chicken feet. Need to be on my necklace.
55:02
Yes, I love that. That is hilarious.
55:05
And I also love how like normal and nonchalant.
55:08
This is like, oh okay. I'll just call this guy who
55:10
clearly has some latex chicken feet already being made.
55:13
So we got you. Yeah, yeah, Bjork wants it.
55:17
Okay. She talked a lot about the
55:22
headpiece and how Robert he had wanted it to be.
55:27
Oui oui but she's like that was not local to the area.
55:32
They were placing the village, she said they decided on like a
55:36
region within Ukraine, as where they were setting the Slavic
55:40
Village but she said barley was needed for the region.
55:47
She said to The Observer about the barley headpiece, it has
55:52
more of an oval seed head and it is the same color dried.
55:57
Also because the area we landed because of the area we landed
56:01
on. When I came back to Robert with
56:03
the research, I told him we really need to decide on a very
56:07
specific area in order for me to be able to create clothing, that
56:10
would be authentic. Also, Craig needed a certain
56:14
area in order for icons to exist and Robert needed, certain a
56:20
certain area for river access. So, the area that we all landed
56:25
on is some part of you Crane headdresses are still used in
56:29
celebrations. There are much more attuned with
56:33
flowers and more festive. We wanted ours to look more
56:37
connected to the earth and the culture that she was so much a
56:42
part of. So they were like we all need
56:44
something different for this scene.
56:47
So can you pick an area? And I love their like, take an
56:52
area. So we like the research done for
56:55
this film because a lot of those just wouldn't care that Be like
56:57
you want to wheat. Headdress will give you a wheat
57:00
headdress, but she was like, sir, you need to decide where
57:03
we're shooting this because the directors, like, those costumed
57:07
nerds are so annoying. They have so many questions,
57:11
Linda's. Just trying to do it, right?
57:13
So mad respect a linamar. Absolutely, and it worked out.
57:18
What also worked out that I really couldn't find any details
57:22
on was the mountain dwellers zombie King.
57:28
I believe it's like a drogar is, what might be called, very
57:33
creepy. I first of all, I saw this
57:37
happening from a mile away. I mean he gets down.
57:40
You see the guy holding a sword. You're like, do not grab the
57:42
sword know. Like that thing is gonna wake up
57:47
and kill you. Exactly exactly.
57:50
This is another issue. I have with this movie, is they
57:52
do that weird thing where they're like, oh are the gods
57:56
real Is it like these peoples like imagination?
58:01
Well, can we just choose one or the other?
58:04
I loved it though because that's kind of like the idea behind
58:06
Odin is that he is like he is like a god like walking amongst
58:11
Earth and the people though. So like I kind of appreciate
58:15
that. Like the gods are like there and
58:17
amongst us, but also, it's like a fantasy but not really.
58:21
I thought was very fascinating, I don't know, I think I've seen
58:25
it better done, which is why was annoyed Boyd because he has this
58:30
epic like duel with this with this zombie King and then it
58:37
flashes back to him, just standing in front of this corpse
58:40
and just taking the sword. I took a look.
58:43
Anyway, I took it as like, it was like a test, like a mental
58:48
test of who is worthy of this sword and, you know, then he
58:53
passed a test and he actually just ripped a sword from this.
58:57
I guess I yeah. Anyway the costume was sick
59:02
though, the costume was sick especially because it really
59:06
does look like it's been mummified and sitting there
59:09
forever. Yeah.
59:11
Like it's falling apart its falling apart.
59:15
You can tell from like the shots on set, like I kind of assumed a
59:20
lot of CGI was used for him. No it wasn't that like that's
59:25
just how it is. And like I do.
59:27
Don't that was despite my annoyance that like he didn't
59:31
actually have this epic sword fight.
59:35
That was my favorite scene of the movie.
59:37
Oh yeah, yeah, it was a lot of fun.
59:41
I really enjoyed a Lego. I want board this.
59:44
Yeah, yeah, no. I had a lot of fun with this.
59:47
What I didn't have a lot of fun. One with was thory, ER and
59:54
Gunner. Full nears like Kids are so
59:59
annoying. Yeah, alnus cousin and then half
1:00:03
brother. Yeah they kind of sucked.
1:00:06
Yeah, I was like, this is also with, with thorium like this is
1:00:11
where like Nicole Kidman's argument about like oh your
1:00:14
father was a filthy slave trader falls apart because this guy
1:00:21
does not stand up in court and it's like clearly his father
1:00:26
like Like taught him to act this way because even, he's like to
1:00:31
Gunner. He's like we have to show the
1:00:32
slaves that like, they're nothing special.
1:00:35
Yeah, they just we can do their work to I was not sad about Thor
1:00:40
rear and Gunnar. You know, meeting their ends.
1:00:44
I would kind of feel bad for Gunnar.
1:00:46
He's just a kid. Yeah, he's just a kid.
1:00:48
He doesn't know better, but he still was annoying.
1:00:50
Yeah, however, I did like Thor Thor, rears costumes though.
1:00:56
It was very Kind of like, yeah, novel and seek.
1:01:00
It was like, he was like, the village, like fancy asshole, you
1:01:04
know. Like, that's exactly.
1:01:07
He's like, you know, he's probably been trained to be
1:01:10
like, oh yeah, tough swordsman. But he's you can tell he's never
1:01:13
actually like had to fight. Yeah, for sure.
1:01:17
Like em. Laughs would have destroyed this
1:01:20
man if he was not already sleeping, if they'd gone to a
1:01:22
sword fight, it would have been no contest.
1:01:25
Yeah, yeah. I love, I love Connor because
1:01:29
I'm like, he's like little and lift 2.0, like his mother stress
1:01:33
on him, the same exact way. Right.
1:01:35
Exactly. It was kind of confusing.
1:01:36
I was like, oh my gosh but then I loved it.
1:01:39
The colors, though of Gunners costumes, do because he like
1:01:42
very like contrasted with the environment around him, in a way
1:01:46
I thought he was going to be a bigger character than he
1:01:48
actually was. I thought it was going to end
1:01:50
with am lifting a destroying, the family of everyone except
1:01:53
Gunner. And then like, you gotta read
1:01:55
that become like the new With a callous.
1:01:58
I will avenge your father. I will save you mother type of
1:02:02
thing. Yeah, definitely.
1:02:07
However, that doesn't happen cuz after he gets with Anya Taylor,
1:02:14
Joy Olga of the Birch Forest. He's like, I gotta destroy that
1:02:19
entire family. Oh, yeah.
1:02:21
And it's a to joyfully good. And this film, she looked so
1:02:26
good. And I want to talk a little bit
1:02:29
more about the embroidery, Linda talked to a frame about it.
1:02:34
She said, women embroidered the clothing for themselves and
1:02:38
their families with motifs at the neck and the sleeves and the
1:02:44
Hem to ward off evil spirits. But more than that, it was a
1:02:49
call to the Slavic Gods. There is an interesting fact
1:02:53
that I learned, which is apparently the word for
1:02:56
embroidery. At the time was the same as the
1:03:00
word for writing these women were writing a future praying
1:03:05
for a future and encouraging a future.
1:03:09
And she also said this quote that this year CRS is like the
1:03:15
Uber writer, I love that. So I love that because it
1:03:18
especially makes a lot of sense for Olga's character, because
1:03:23
she ends up like, having his children and is like, yes, like
1:03:26
this is the Future. She's like a little bit of a
1:03:28
Witchy Woman so she's like I know what the future is going to
1:03:33
be and I am going to get it. Yeah I'll go was great.
1:03:36
She didn't really have that many costume changes that I'm like
1:03:39
aware of but that first one where she's like captured was
1:03:43
very beautiful. The embroidery was very
1:03:46
fascinating on her. Look and the entire Village.
1:03:49
That was rated that red embroidery was so beautiful.
1:03:53
But I also found beautiful was this like White blanket that she
1:03:58
wears toward and I was like, yeah, that looks like the
1:04:01
comfiest blanket I've ever seen in my life.
1:04:04
Right? Right.
1:04:06
So I had to run it to the bathroom.
1:04:10
At one point, I felt bad for a second, getting up and like,
1:04:15
blocking the screen because a little bit of a smaller theater.
1:04:17
But I stood up and I was the only person there was like, oh
1:04:22
never mind, but then, I came back and they were just on the
1:04:25
ship escaped. Beeping escaping right before he
1:04:29
jumps off to go murder everybody.
1:04:32
But yeah, like this blue cream. A look of hers.
1:04:35
I'm like, ooh so comfy. So comfy.
1:04:39
Yeah, that looks like a nice blanket.
1:04:41
I want it. I don't think you missed much.
1:04:44
I think they were just talking, they're like, yeah, my mom
1:04:46
sucks. She lied to me a lot and then
1:04:51
logos like, well, let's just hit it and then I got on the boat
1:04:55
and then he was like, actually no, I want to go.
1:04:57
Ate them. Yeah, I'm like honestly dude if
1:05:00
you just left and like well I guess he had already murdered
1:05:04
the son by that point. Yeah.
1:05:06
Yeah, no. He probably would have come
1:05:07
after him, maybe maybe, but maybe anyway, I don't know.
1:05:12
I feel like his Uncle didn't care all that.
1:05:13
Much fuel near was like, oh my gosh, like another one.
1:05:18
They can't. We all just get along.
1:05:22
Also though, I love this little girl who they both have a Vision
1:05:27
of which I'm like this is kind of why I want to know this
1:05:31
story. Like The Saga, the movies based
1:05:34
off of because I'm like this little girl looks like a
1:05:38
Christian Queen of the time. Yeah not a not a viking or like
1:05:46
Norse one. So I'm very interested like who
1:05:50
he supposed to be the father of right?
1:05:52
That the twins. Had some very like, interesting
1:05:55
costumes are stunning. But especially her also.
1:05:59
I did not like this tree. This family tree with like the
1:06:02
umbilical cord branches. It was a little frightening, but
1:06:08
I didn't mind it, I found it, it upset me, but that brings us to
1:06:18
our final kind of weird, but amazing character.
1:06:22
The valkyrie I was waiting for this.
1:06:26
I kept seeing in the Taylor. And I just kept thinking while
1:06:29
watching a movie, like, how are they work?
1:06:31
Are they gonna work in that Valkyrie character for the
1:06:34
trailer and who's in it for like, maybe two minutes?
1:06:37
Yeah, I'm probably had one of the craziest costumes of the
1:06:39
whole film. So beautiful though, I mean, I
1:06:43
was obsessed with it. I don't know that we needed it,
1:06:47
but it was so cool. Like, this is such a Robert
1:06:49
Eggers moment, for sure. Yes, when Linda was talking
1:06:55
about this character to The Observer, she Said in the sagas
1:06:59
female characters are often depicted as being equally gory.
1:07:04
As the men, the norns supernatural creature, who
1:07:09
determines the course of human? Destiny are particularly
1:07:13
ferocious. So when Robert and I were
1:07:16
talking about the valkyrie, I was encouraging him to make her
1:07:20
for Brosius and that's when he came back with the notion of the
1:07:24
filed teeth, which I'm Like yes girl, you get that badass.
1:07:29
Warrior woman in the movie. The mean, the valkyrie was so
1:07:34
cool and like the icon text that she had going on.
1:07:37
I was like, I would not mess with is Valkyrie at all.
1:07:41
Know the like almost tattoo teeth.
1:07:44
Yeah, it's like in the movies. I was like, are in, not in the
1:07:47
movie in the trailers. I was like, why does this
1:07:50
Valkyrie have braces when I saw the movie?
1:07:55
I was like, oh, okay. Yeah, she talked about for the
1:08:02
armor. She found a tiny piece of metal
1:08:05
in a drawer, in Rome during one of her Expeditions.
1:08:10
And she said to The Observer rather than having it heavy like
1:08:15
mail armor, we try to make it more ethereal, not like jewelry,
1:08:20
but more delicate. That's why her chain mail has
1:08:24
gold banding. Her cloak is This glorious red
1:08:29
wool lined with goose feathers in three sizes and it gave this
1:08:35
incredible weight and movement. Then I saw it on the Rider
1:08:40
Double and my heart just left. It was a very special costume
1:08:45
that one though. I love it.
1:08:47
I mean it it was a beautiful costume.
1:08:49
You could tell like this character was like not of Earth,
1:08:53
you know, like Godly like and like the feathers See like
1:08:58
really scream that out. It's beautiful.
1:09:00
One of my favorite costumes for sure.
1:09:03
I agree. I agree.
1:09:05
But with that that is the end of North, man.
1:09:12
I'm Spencer. I feel like by the end of this
1:09:16
podcast, I think I have come around a little bit to it more.
1:09:20
I think. What just yeah, what's so hard
1:09:22
about it? Was that I felt like I expected
1:09:25
something different and I got something totally different to
1:09:28
what I expected but if I went into it knowing it was gonna be
1:09:32
like the story of like revenge and family.
1:09:35
And you know what, not that. I feel like it would have loved
1:09:37
it more because I do think it was a great movie, it was just
1:09:41
not what I expected. It's seen.
1:09:43
It definitely wasn't what I expected.
1:09:47
I also just think there's something missing in
1:09:49
Translation. Unlike I wonder how it did like
1:09:54
because it hasn't done particularly well here.
1:09:58
Um, but I would love to see how it like, how it's done over like
1:10:02
in Europe and more of like the Scandinavian countries.
1:10:05
Right. Because I'm like, I wonder if
1:10:07
this just isn't vibing with like our American sensibility.
1:10:11
Yeah, we're like, I feel like we're missing something.
1:10:15
I did love that volcano seen though.
1:10:17
I was like, oh my God, kept hearing rumors that there's
1:10:21
going to be a nude fight scene and we were going toward and,
1:10:25
and I was looking at my watch. I Don't have and I was like
1:10:28
where is my new to Viking fight scene?
1:10:31
That we got the volcanoes. Like all right, here we go.
1:10:36
Is I was originally going to go see this with my brother and
1:10:40
then he couldn't come. And so I got back and he was
1:10:42
like, how's the movie? And I was like, well, if you
1:10:45
want to see the Viking version of the battle on Mustafar, this
1:10:49
is the movie to see true. Like if you ever imagined what
1:10:55
look like if Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker got naked and
1:10:58
fought. This is this, is it for you?
1:11:01
This is it. This is it.
1:11:05
That's Spencer. I don't know about you but I'm
1:11:07
really excited to play our favorite game for this one.
1:11:11
Let's do it. The one costume to rule them
1:11:16
all. My choice was easy.
1:11:24
I mean, it was made when I was in the theaters, it was bjork's
1:11:28
serious costume. I was dying for this.
1:11:31
It is very short. So, I felt a little like, you
1:11:34
know, I wanted more in terms of bjork's role, but I should have
1:11:38
saw it coming, it was beautiful. You could tell there so much
1:11:41
texture and detail and research in it.
1:11:44
I'm a big fan of like, research and forming the costumes of a
1:11:47
film. And you could tell that the like
1:11:49
this costume was Like a huge research project culminating
1:11:54
into like this one. Very short moment is just
1:11:57
beautiful. I loved the shells, like
1:11:59
covering be Works eyes like at the end of the day, also feel
1:12:03
like very Bjork to because she does wear a lot of masks and
1:12:06
usually covers her face and ways, so it was just really cool
1:12:11
and I loved it. Yeah.
1:12:13
You all send you some of the interviews I read because they
1:12:17
talk a lot about the Orcs costume and her and Evolve mint
1:12:22
with it and it is a fantastic choice.
1:12:25
My choice for one costume to rule them all, is the valkyrie
1:12:30
nice because it has such an impact, but it's on screen.
1:12:35
Like literally like maybe two minutes.
1:12:38
Yeah. And then maybe two minutes and
1:12:40
makes it count though. Those two minutes are well used.
1:12:43
Yeah, absolutely. And I'm just like the fact that
1:12:47
you put all this work into something that you probably
1:12:51
could have Half hour. So nobody would have noticed
1:12:53
like, says a lot about just this movie as a whole and how you
1:12:58
know how into it. Everybody was and I love that so
1:13:02
beautiful I thought you change your choice there a little bit
1:13:05
ago not too long ago because I was trying to remember like I
1:13:11
had a hard time choosing one and I was like, oh I guess I'll go
1:13:14
with the mountain dweller because I love that scene.
1:13:17
And then we were talking about the valkyrie.
1:13:19
I was like, oh my gosh no, this was my Favorite.
1:13:25
And with that, that brings us to the end of the northmen
1:13:29
Elizabeth. I enjoyed it.
1:13:30
I'm glad we talked about it. I enjoyed it too.
1:13:34
But um, are you ready for another 180?
1:13:37
Switcheroo Spencer. Yeah, I mean, there's been too
1:13:41
much blood and uncivilized in this in this film.
1:13:46
I need to get back to sipping some tea and just watching Hot
1:13:52
people dance around and balls. Elizabeth we are watching
1:13:56
bridger-teton season 2. Yes, his time.
1:14:02
I am so excited written season 2, so good.
1:14:06
I mean, it was incredible. I love bridger-teton is so good.
1:14:11
Yes, it wasn't as horny as the first season, but it still pays
1:14:15
off. It still pays off if you were
1:14:18
upset about the lack of horny. Enos, you know, it's about two
1:14:23
entirely different people so maybe don't judge it by your
1:14:30
need for sexually charged characters.
1:14:36
That's you know, who I'm talking to.
1:14:41
That's what's important is for people.
1:14:42
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