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Best of Ian Furness 9-15 · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: for all things Cougs, here's Ian with the Cougar Legends.
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  Speaker 2: All right, here we go. Cougs talking Cougs. Alex and
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  Speaker 2: MK are here. Oh, boy, what a start. 0-2 for
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  Speaker 2: the Cougs. You could make an argument statistically, maybe even
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  Speaker 2: just what your eyes see, one of the worst, if
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  Speaker 2: not the worst, Offenses in the country, Duquesne in town
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  Speaker 2: this week, so maybe things will turn around a little
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  Speaker 2: bit as well, but let's just get some initial thoughts
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  Speaker 2: from what we've seen, games one and two, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: even Kansas State. I'll start with Alex Brink, who was
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  Speaker 2: down there in, looks like it was hot and humid.
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  Speaker 2: manhattan kansas we.
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  Speaker 3: Got the full we got the full midwestern experience with
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  Speaker 3: the uh you know lightning delay and all the things
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  Speaker 3: um yeah i mean i think you know washington state's
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  Speaker 3: got a look in the mirror i think everybody's kind
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  Speaker 3: of said that um you know after the first two
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  Speaker 3: weeks there's no doubt that Offensively, they haven't been productive
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  Speaker 3: at all. I think defensively, it's a solid unit, but
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  Speaker 3: they don't have a ton of depth. That showed up
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  Speaker 3: for sure on Saturday without missing a couple corners, missing
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  Speaker 3: and a defensive end. It just feels like that unit's
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  Speaker 3: gotten worn down over a couple weeks against a couple
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  Speaker 3: of good football teams. I'll preface this by saying that
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  Speaker 3: there's a pretty good chance both those teams are ranked
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  Speaker 3: by the time the season's over. I think Kansas State's
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  Speaker 3: a really good football team. That's a tough two-week stretch
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  Speaker 3: on the road. So I'm hoping for this team that
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  Speaker 3: they're able to make the necessary adjustments and say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we need to figure out what our identity is offensively. um,
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  Speaker 3: you know, get a, get a, you know, a week
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  Speaker 3: or two where they can rest and recover and then
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  Speaker 3: prepare for, um, you know, prepare to execute on Saturday.
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  Speaker 4: So, uh, you know, overall, everybody's disappointed.
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  Speaker 3: I will kind of hearken back, not even 12 months
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  Speaker 3: ago when after North Texas, everybody thought the sky was
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  Speaker 3: falling also, uh, you know, for the Washington state football team. And, um,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you can dig yourself out of these scenarios. Um,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, that's where we find out if, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the coaches and players can buy in and figure it
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  Speaker 3: out together.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and also the same thing. That's the first thing
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  Speaker 5: I wrote down is identity, right? No one knew or
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  Speaker 5: knows what the identity of this team is going to be,
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  Speaker 5: but we play, and Ian, you and I are the
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  Speaker 5: biggest advocates of never taking a moral win or that
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  Speaker 5: victory because of these things in place, but I'll tell
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  Speaker 5: you right now, we played against two absolutely great teams.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they're good teams. They're going to be ranked,
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  Speaker 5: like Alex said, at the end of the year fast,
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  Speaker 5: and they're all on the same page, but We're not
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  Speaker 5: going to win by, you know, giving the ball over,
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  Speaker 5: not scoring any points, messing up on special teams. Those
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  Speaker 5: things right there we already see is a factor that
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  Speaker 5: we can fix. So I think everything I've seen on
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  Speaker 5: film are things that are small tweaks. Now, going into
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  Speaker 5: a Duquesne that we're going to play on Saturday is
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  Speaker 5: probably the best case scenario to kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 5: to pin it back and have a team that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you match up, you should match up way better than. And,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I think they were throttled. 70 points got
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  Speaker 5: put up on them.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: This is the one thing about Washington State, though, is
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  Speaker 5: the sleeper games, right? It's like, oh, we're going to
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  Speaker 5: come in and roll you. This is the one that
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  Speaker 5: you can't come into a little too confident.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to them in a second. I think
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  Speaker 2: it was Jamie Vinnick on Coug Fan wrote a great
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  Speaker 2: piece just about the difference between these guys in Idaho
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  Speaker 2: and Eastern and Portland State. You don't have a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of Northwest kids that feel like they got slighted by
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  Speaker 2: the bigger school coming in all revved up. There's no
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  Speaker 2: connections at all. So hopefully it's a get-right game and
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  Speaker 2: get-fixed game. I want to get to the defense. I
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  Speaker 2: want to get to the lack of playmakers. Freeman out
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  Speaker 2: for the year is just brutal. You couldn't have asked
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  Speaker 2: for a worse scenario than that. We'll get to all
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  Speaker 2: that in a second. I'm going to start with Alex
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  Speaker 2: because I think you've been through this. You were a quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: I think it might have been your first Pac-12, Pac-10
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  Speaker 2: start at Oregon State. I remember being down there and
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  Speaker 2: it was just like a deluge of beavers everywhere. The
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  Speaker 2: damn chainsaws going all day. You know what it's like
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  Speaker 2: to be under the gun. There's been a lot of
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  Speaker 2: talk about Caden Pinnock, both his play, which we can
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  Speaker 2: get to in a second, but also post-game on Saturday,
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  Speaker 2: it was one-word answer guy and just a really, really
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  Speaker 2: bad look for the so-called leader of your team, the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: He came back yesterday, and in fairness to him, it
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  Speaker 2: looked like people say, well, he was prompted to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. He spoke yesterday without notes, not off
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  Speaker 2: the script, straight from the heart, Basically, he said, I
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  Speaker 2: was wrong. I got to be better. I think it
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  Speaker 2: sounds like his mom's a huge influence in his life,
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  Speaker 2: and she may have spoken to him. You know, everyone's calling,
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  Speaker 2: let's get Eshelman in there, whatever. You know, and we
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  Speaker 2: went through this last year with Jackson Potter starting the
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  Speaker 2: year before Zevi came in. So we've seen this act before.
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  Speaker 2: But Alex, you can probably understand and relate or maybe
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  Speaker 2: even condemn or whatever, however you want to go, the
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  Speaker 2: situation with Pinnock better than anybody.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, very viscerally, like I've been there, I've
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  Speaker 3: been in those shoes. And I've and candidly, I've done
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  Speaker 3: the same thing. You know, it's it's happened to me before.
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  Speaker 3: I did it in college after we lost to Oregon.
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  Speaker 3: And you can call Bill Stevens. He will tell you
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  Speaker 3: how frustrated he was with me in that moment, you know,
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  Speaker 3: when when I chose to take a similar route and
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  Speaker 3: you learn a lot from it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, here's what I'll say is that, again, you know.
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: Frustration in that building as there should be. And there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of competitors in that building and Caden's one
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  Speaker 3: of them. I think people need to understand a little bit, uh,
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  Speaker 3: one about, you know, Caden as an athlete, like he's obviously, uh,
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  Speaker 3: very passionate about, you know, wanting to do right by
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  Speaker 3: Washington state. And the other thing is he's a sophomore.
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  Speaker 3: He's never experienced what he's experiencing through these first two weeks.
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  Speaker 3: They were wildly successful at UC Davis. They didn't have
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  Speaker 3: any level of media scrutiny or media training or getting
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  Speaker 3: in front of the media like that. And I think
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  Speaker 3: it's a fantastic learning lesson. I know for a fact
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  Speaker 3: that yesterday he was candid about and contrite with what happened.
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  Speaker 3: He knows that he made a mistake. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's one of those things that as athletes you learn.
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  Speaker 3: I think people that, you know, are trying to kind
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  Speaker 3: of kill him over it, you know, need to take
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  Speaker 3: a step back and realize that, you know, he's a
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  Speaker 3: young man that's kind of learning what this is all about.
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  Speaker 3: And that if you really take another step back and
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  Speaker 3: you watch the 60 minutes of that football game, he
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  Speaker 3: got his absolute butt kicked in that entire game. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: physically just taking hits, getting beat up. You know, again,
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  Speaker 3: if he's not on the field through those first two games,
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  Speaker 3: you can say what you want. Like, he's the only
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  Speaker 3: one making plays in this moment for the Washington state
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  Speaker 3: football team. And whether that's, you know, whether the design
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  Speaker 3: needs to change or the execute all the things, that's
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  Speaker 3: just the reality. And so again, like people have listened
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  Speaker 3: to me long enough, like I I've lived it. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm always gonna, I'm always gonna take the side and the,
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  Speaker 3: and the perspective that the quarterback is out there, trying
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  Speaker 3: his best to win football games and giving it his all.
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  Speaker 4: And so I just, I can't buy into that. I
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  Speaker 4: understand the frustration.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody wants to win, you know, but he's a young
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  Speaker 3: man that, you know, made a mistake on Saturday and
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  Speaker 3: owned it on Monday. And I think that's a totally fair,
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  Speaker 3: fair space. And let's judge him by his actions moving forward,
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  Speaker 3: not by the actions of the past.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And I agree though, too, Alex. I mean, I will
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  Speaker 5: say that I played with you and you never went
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  Speaker 5: that far as far as But like you were saying,
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  Speaker 5: he's a kid. And Justin had to talk me off
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  Speaker 5: the ledge, too, because as soon as I saw that
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  Speaker 5: as an older guy, more mature and been through a
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  Speaker 5: lot of things like naturally, I'm like, no, you can't
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  Speaker 5: do that.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 5: But I've been through those experiences. He hasn't. And as
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  Speaker 5: a young kid coming out, I keep reminding myself he's
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  Speaker 5: a richer sophomore.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: He's a he's a he's a young kid. And he's
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  Speaker 5: at the highest platform he's ever played at. So to
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  Speaker 5: get your butt just absolutely drug all over the field
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  Speaker 5: and then and wanting to be a winner. So that's
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  Speaker 5: one thing I do see as a positive. It's like
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  Speaker 5: he wants to win. So he was so frustrated that
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  Speaker 5: it came out in not the best way. But learning experience,
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  Speaker 5: he'll never do that again, right?
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  Speaker 3: Hey, let me add one other small piece just because
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of sides to this. So fans understand
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  Speaker 3: what happens after a game is Kane literally walked off
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  Speaker 3: the field, listened to his coach address the team, and
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  Speaker 3: then walked in front of those media members.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? That's a hard moment.
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  Speaker 4: Think about, compare this to what's happening at Oregon right now.
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  Speaker 4: You know what Oregon did?
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  Speaker 3: They kept their they kept their star quarterback out of
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  Speaker 3: the media, which was even worse.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't even address it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, and you can like so I just again,
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  Speaker 3: I think we need to give everybody grace in these
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  Speaker 3: scenarios and appreciate like the full spectrum of what happened.
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  Speaker 3: And then again, say like it wasn't the right way
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  Speaker 3: to handle it.
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  Speaker 4: Did we learn from it?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Let's move on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I think there's a couple of things to
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  Speaker 2: play out spring game and crystal Bruce here. When you
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  Speaker 2: were in it, you didn't have the social media issue.
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  Speaker 7: Either, right?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so like there would have been like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a hundred people would have seen it and it would
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  Speaker 2: have been written in Coug fan and that's about it, right?
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  Speaker 2: Spokesman Review would have had something kick. So why in Spokane?
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  Speaker 2: That's it would have ended there. It goes viral and
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  Speaker 2: you see all that stuff. And, you know, that's a
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  Speaker 2: good point with Dante Moore in Oregon. Like Dante Moore
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  Speaker 2: is a, you know, three, $ 4 million quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: Try $ 8 million.
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  Speaker 2: $ 8 million quarterback. MK, you played the wrong position in
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  Speaker 2: the wrong time. I thought the Oregon look was far worse.
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  Speaker 2: Far worse. Maybe it wasn't accountability, what we wanted, but
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  Speaker 2: it was there. Last night, Kate Anderson, the Mariners, young
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  Speaker 2: phenom pitcher, just one word answering in the post-game interview
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  Speaker 2: with Ryan Divish on TV, and I'm like, dude, you like,
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  Speaker 2: you've got to be better. Like you have to be better.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is like, he's like eight, nine starts
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  Speaker 2: into his career. And I thought that, and he played
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  Speaker 2: at LSU. Like, like that was a bad look too.
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  Speaker 2: Like guys make mistakes. I thought the biggest thing was yesterday. That,
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  Speaker 2: that to me was okay. We're moving ahead. I'm assuming
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  Speaker 2: Alex and you mentioned making plays. I'm assuming Kirby Morris said, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: I don't need you to worry about anything. You're the
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  Speaker 2: guy moving forward. Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: Relax.
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  Speaker 2: He went out there and handled that. And now you
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  Speaker 2: take the next step. I'm guessing that's the case. We've
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  Speaker 2: talked about it before with Duggar and Ashleman. This guy
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  Speaker 2: has to be given them the best chance to win.
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  Speaker 2: Otherwise he wouldn't be in there.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think you, I think you can, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you can look at the play and you can watch,
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  Speaker 3: you know, play for play all the way down. You had,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you had the first against Washington, right? Like
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  Speaker 3: he had four drops and three of them were consequential
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  Speaker 3: and consequential downs. Against Kansas State, he had another four drops,
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  Speaker 3: maybe five, on very consequential downs. So I thought he
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  Speaker 3: threw the football really well on Saturday and didn't get
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  Speaker 3: a lot of help in that regard. And then situationally,
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  Speaker 3: you're in some spots where it's like third and one,
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  Speaker 3: fourth and one, and you're not probably getting the best
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  Speaker 3: call in that moment. to be successful and you're not,
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  Speaker 3: you know, again, you're not, you're not productive offensive. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's a, it's an all 11 plus the coaching
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  Speaker 3: staff sort of situation. And it's easy to point to
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  Speaker 3: Caden or it's easy to point to one thing. But
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  Speaker 3: I think Kirby Moore's point after the game and this
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  Speaker 3: week was like, we all got to get better.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's the reality of it. You know,
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  Speaker 4: and it starts at the top and works down from there.
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  Speaker 5: I think, I think the number one thing we're seeing
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  Speaker 5: right now, we can all agree on is the third
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  Speaker 5: down conversion. I mean, we're not going to win games
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  Speaker 5: unless we can figure this out. I mean, it's, it's atrocious.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I mean? I mean, what's, what's, What's
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  Speaker 5: the biggest thing you see on third down plays that
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  Speaker 5: we can't get to that next level or continue the drives?
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  Speaker 4: It's not even third down. It starts on first down
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  Speaker 4: for me.
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  Speaker 3: You got to give yourself to get to third and
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  Speaker 3: manageable and stay out of third and eight to 10
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  Speaker 3: and 12, right? And so to me, and I am
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  Speaker 3: a proponent, probably because I'm a quarterback, I want to
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  Speaker 3: throw to win. I want the ball in my hand
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  Speaker 3: to win games, right? I want to see, you know,
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  Speaker 3: spread the field, throw screens on first down.
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  Speaker 4: I want to make sure... I don't want... The challenge of.
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  Speaker 3: Running the football all the time on first down is
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  Speaker 3: if you get nothing, you're stacked up. It's a second
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  Speaker 3: and 10 and then you don't really then you don't
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  Speaker 3: have like a lot of options.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, I think it'll be interesting to see.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, depending on it, I don't know what tactic
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  Speaker 3: they take with Duquesne because hopefully they come out and
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  Speaker 3: just play fantastic. But it's one of those things where,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in my opinion, you need to throw the
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  Speaker 3: ball more than run it with a guy like Caden.
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  Speaker 3: ball and and you've got good running backs that can
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  Speaker 3: help in their past game you got you know you
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  Speaker 3: got a couple good receivers that give yourself a chance
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  Speaker 3: but you can't be doing it if you're doing it
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  Speaker 3: on third from third and eight to twelve uh consistently
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  Speaker 3: you're not going to be successful it's just the reality.
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  Speaker 5: You also got a guy that can continue to play
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  Speaker 5: right if the the progressions break down he's a guy
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  Speaker 5: that can go to the sticks and get you that
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  Speaker 5: first down right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that's and that's my point is like if you
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  Speaker 3: give him a chance to throw first and run second
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  Speaker 3: right rather than just hand it off or him him
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  Speaker 3: being the only option running the football then um i
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  Speaker 3: think you become way more multiple and more dangerous you
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  Speaker 3: know and it would look like you know at mk
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  Speaker 3: it would look like what you saw from kansas state
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  Speaker 3: on saturday on saturday which is a lot of screen
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  Speaker 3: on first down drop back pass on second down and
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  Speaker 3: then the quarterback if he doesn't like it he's making
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  Speaker 3: plays with his legs.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and honestly, this is an offense Washington State hasn't
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  Speaker 5: seen before, right? So we're used to just airing it
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  Speaker 5: out and getting after it, and I feel like there's
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  Speaker 5: a lot of things that we're like, okay, what is
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  Speaker 5: happening right now?
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  Speaker 2: Like, who are we, you know? Well, we're spending, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and listen, I want to get quickly, but we'll get
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  Speaker 2: to the defense before I wrap it up, but just quickly, MK,
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  Speaker 2: you know, as a defensive guy, I mean, I think
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  Speaker 2: the issues start up front on the offensive line. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it looks like they made a switch at left guard
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  Speaker 2: for the second half. Martin got out, and they started
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  Speaker 2: moving some guys around. didn't help at all obviously but
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  Speaker 2: i mean what do you see mk as a defensive
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  Speaker 2: lineman against that offensive line because i panic and the
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  Speaker 2: running backs and a lack of i mean we can
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  Speaker 2: get the receiver situation a second but if you're not
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  Speaker 2: getting guys blocked up front it doesn't matter well.
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  Speaker 5: Big thing too is is game's not the biggest guy
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  Speaker 5: right he's a shorter quarterback so he needs a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more spread openness in front of him in the
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  Speaker 5: the pockets quite it's just collapsing in his lap so
• 14:04
  Speaker 5: Him trying to look over the line and go through
• 14:05
  Speaker 5: his progressions, it's happening so fast. And I tell people
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: all the time, as a defensive lineman, I'm thinking 1,000, 1,000, 2,000, 3.
• 14:11
  Speaker 5: I've got to get to the quarterback. So that's the
• 14:13
  Speaker 5: cadence that you're thinking about. And he literally is getting–
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: he's not even getting to three seconds, and he's got
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: to get the ball out or he's got to run
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: or do something. But it's caving on him quick.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: Alex, all of us have called plays at the highest level.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Every fan has. So everyone's an offensive coordinator. But I'll
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: lean on you here for a second because there has
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: been criticism of Miller in his first year. people saying
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: maybe Kirby needs to take control of the offense. What
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: do you see?
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, I, I reserve judgment to see a little bit,
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: a little bit more time in how it plays out.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: I think Matt, I think Matt Miller has the capacity
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: and the understanding in the background to be able to
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: do it. I think, you know, again, one piece that
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: I will say off the bat is, you know, losing
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: your best playmaker right, right out of the gate when
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: you didn't have that many play playmakers hurts. And then
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: the second point about the offensive line really matters. You
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: bring back all of your returners right in the offensive line.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: So you think you're going to have like, consistency and
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: continuity and you got your three running backs and you
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: want to be... I think the idea was you wanted
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: to be that team that ran the ball on first
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: down and you were productive and you kind of looked
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: like Boise State looked on Saturday, which is really dynamic
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: in the running game.
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: And you're just... Whether it's because you're playing or you're executing,
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: you're just not. And so now.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: As a coordinator, you got to kind of flip it
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: and be like, all right, who are we going to be?
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: And that's really going to be, in my opinion, that's
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: going to be the evaluation on Matt Miller moving forward
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: is how does he adjust? Because you are where you
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: are two games in the season. And now that you
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: put that on tape, you got to make the adjustment.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: You know, whether Kirby's involved or not, you know, I
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: don't know. I'm sure at some point he will be
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: because he's an offensive guy. But, you know, I do think,
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: you know, Coach Miller has the chance to make the
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: adjustment and then find success moving forward.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, too, like you mentioned, the guys
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: all coming back, and we live in a day and
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: age in which guys get paid, and I think your
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: guy that probably got the most was your left tackle
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: in Tripp, and I don't buy into PFF as much
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: as I used to because they cut everybody back. It's
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: pro football focus, which also does college rankings, but he
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: had a one rating, and that's 60s average. That's awful
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: for your left tackle. He's got to be better. Your
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: best offense alignment has to be better. Sometimes it comes
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: down to this. We talk about this all the time
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: with all sports. sometimes the players just have to be better. Like,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: play up to what you're supposed to be. Like, we
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: don't expect you to be, you know, an SEC All-American,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: but you've got to be playing better, and those guys haven't.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Let's get to the defense real quick, MK. They're worn out.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: When they have been fresh, we've seen some pretty good
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: things from that defense.
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, a lot of back and corners.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: And missing two corners and everything else. I mean, mixing
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: and matching that secondary. I mean, they're missing dudes, but
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: I like the potential of the defense. And Avery Johnson,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: holy smokes, man, besides having the best flow in the game, like,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: He's a playmaker. Like you've had two really, two really
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: good quarterbacks.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: Like he's like, I mean, our, our secondary surprisingly enough,
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: like I didn't know what our strength was going to
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: be in our secondary. I think is playing excellent right now.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: We haven't gotten to the quarterback. Like we're not getting there.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: So that's a hard part too. But I tell people
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: all the time, it's like, everything's about situationals, right? So you're, you're,
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: you're getting down big and all of a sudden the
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: whole offense changes. So your strategy changes, your game plan
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: changes out the door when we're not putting points on.
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: So it's a totally different game. We're, we're, We have
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: different plays called, we have different strengths called different blitzes
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: or whatever packages coming in, if we're up or down. So,
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: you know, as we start getting down a couple of scores,
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: it's like everything's out the window and then you're just
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: trying to come back. And then it's just, it's a
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: different bargain, but we can't be out there that long,
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: that many plays getting beat up. You have to have
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: some kind of momentum shift. So I think defensively has
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: been our strong suit. It's just our backs against the
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: wall the whole time. I think it didn't gas honestly.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: That's MK Alex with us before we wrap things up, Alex,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I thought we'd see more Maxwell Woods. And I saw
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: they get creative with the receiving depth being what it is.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: They'll split him out. They'll split the wide backs out.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I love seeing the two backs in there with him
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: and Voorhees at times. I just thought we'd see a
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: little bit more of number three. Are you surprised we
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: haven't seen him as much?
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know the exact snap count.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: It feels like he's been on the field a lot.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know whether it's play calls or targeting and
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: how those things happen. I think there's been an effort,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: particularly last week, to get all three backs on the
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: field in some different packages, which I think was creative
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: and has a chance to.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: Really pay dividends. But yeah, I mean, I think, again, like.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: This sounds so simplistic, but I'm a proponent of throwing
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: the ball on first down.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: This is the old Mike Leach thing. He's going to
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: throw and give his guys a chance.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: And a guy like Maxwell Woods, if you give him
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: the ball out in the flat one-on-one with the corner,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: he's probably going to beat him. So throw a screen,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: give him a chance. You got a couple of receivers
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: that can block and are big bodies. Use those things
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: to get your playmakers an opportunity.
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: So I don't know.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, the one thing I'll say, you know, and
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: nobody wants to hear this, but, you know, this was
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: always going to be a tough stretch to start. And,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: you know, on paper, it gets easier from here, right?
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: If this team can stay bought in and show improvement.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: And so, you know, I think defense and some of
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: the early returns defensively, again, like to MK's point, are really,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: really positive. And that's going to give you a chance
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: in a lot of ballgames if offensively you improve and
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: or just match up better against, you know, the teams
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: you're going to see the rest of your schedule.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: All right, let's wrap it up. MK, sell us a mortgage.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Get us fit in the gym. What's going on?
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Let's go.
• 19:17
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• 19:27
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• 19:29
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• 19:43
  Speaker 7: Love it.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: All right, boys, go get a win this week. Alex,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: we're laying on you. It's all your responsibility. You're back
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: there in Pullman, so let's go get that win, all right?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: get kirby moore's first win go cougs that's alex that's
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: mk we'll come back with more 93.3 kdrfm.
• 19:55
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• 19:59
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• 20:05
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• 20:08
  Speaker 6: Good man just doing the math and i think if
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: the mariners can win 15 out of their last 11
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: they can still.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: All right even even i've.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: Got to drop the bit at this point i i
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: i just don't know how you get the gift of
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: the mariner september schedule and do with it what they've
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: done i i wrote i was up very late sunday
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: night i couldn't sleep and i did a riff on
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: the mariners and just like How do you lose five
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: of seven to the A's? How do you blow three leads?
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: How do you lose all these ninth inning lead? I just,
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: I think they're one of the most disappointing teams of
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: the century. I really do.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Whoa, stop right there. Say that again.
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: I think they're one of the most disappointing teams of
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: this century. If you look at the talent on hand,
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: the expectations and the fact that they're not going to
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: win a division that might be one with 80 wins.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: It's amazing. I mean, it's, it's, I think we've all
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: been feeling that for a while. What did we talk about, Ashley,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: in the first segment today? This season has to be
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: one of the most, and I think we use the
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: term disappointing seasons, in the 50 years of the franchise,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: and way more so, Joe, than all the 190 lost
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: seasons they've had, and they've had plenty of those. But
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: the expectations coming off last year, everything that's happened this year,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: and then playing in this particular division... in this particular
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: American league where you just can be average and you're
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs, I agree with you. I don't know
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the context of other teams this century, but for us
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: here in Seattle, it's got to be one of the
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: most disappointing seasons ever for a franchise that's had more
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: disappointment than success.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, there's been a bunch. The 2008 Tigers
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: always come to mind for me, but I mean, there
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: are a bunch along the way, but it's everything, right?
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: It's they're going to fall. I mean, let's say, I
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: think I had them at 93 wins. Let's say I
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: was an idiot. And let's say they're actually an 86
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: win team. Then they're still going to miss that by
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: 10 wins. And, and you make the great point here,
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: which is it's the context of this year's American league.
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: Where you did, you could be disappointing and still probably
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: have won the division. And like I said, I go
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: back to just the last week and change, you know,
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: going two and six, two and six now against the
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: A's and angels over the last, what is it? Almost
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: two weeks. I just, there's just no place for that. And,
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: and again, you know, you weren't expecting, nobody was expecting
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: the 85 Mariners. to do anything. You know, there's only
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: been a fairly small number of stretches in this organization's
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: history where there's been expectations going into a season. You
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: go back to that, you know, 95, or should it
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: be 95, 96 to 2001, 2002 run when they really
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: were a great team in there. And of course, you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: then they kind of went in the wilderness 15 years,
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: but starting in 2022, you know, rally hits the home
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: run and they break the post-season streak. This has been
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: one of the only second best run in Mariners history.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: And they didn't convert last year, up 2-0 and 3-2
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: in the ALCS. They didn't convert this year with, I
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: know you're sick of hearing me saying this, but the
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: most talent in the division. And, you know, they actually had,
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: Brash notwithstanding, pretty good health this year. It turns out
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: Matt Brash was a 14-win player. I would not have
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: expected that from a reliever.
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: But, like, they didn't.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: Have a ton of things go wrong this year. You know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: Hancock's on the I.L., um you know castillo tank but
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: he and he was healthy they didn't have like a
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: ball once you help things go wrong like a lot
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: of teams did they were fairly healthy and they just
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: didn't play to their level and you say you know
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: how much longer is this team going to stay together
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: how much longer is this core going to be together
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: now rallies under contract nailers under contract we can debate
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: whether that's a good thing julio's under contract you're bringing
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: up emerson young is young haha the pitchers are mostly
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: under contract. Like you would expect at least in 27,
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: this team to return. But I think the question is,
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: what do they have to do to make sure this
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: doesn't happen again?
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Joe, we, you know, the, the great comment about the
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: ficus in the, the potted plant and the dugout being
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: better than Wilson. People love that here in Seattle and, and,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: and strongly agreed with that. Let me, how much blame
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: goes and we'll, we'll really break it down here in
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. We kind of wrap things up
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: with Joe, but, but, 11 years of Jerry DiPoto, and
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: it appears, barring a miracle, it appears that in 11 years,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: two playoff appearances for Jerry DiPoto. And I can point
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: to a lot of good that Jerry DiPoto has done.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: You just talked about some of the roster guys, and
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Naylor contract notwithstanding, but if you look through, like, yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, the young players, the players they have in
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: a contract, the players they've brought up in an organization,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: finally getting some position players, not just Julio, who they
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: signed as an international player, but others as well. But
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: how much blame goes into roster construction this year? Or
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: is it just guys haven't performed and the manager is
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: over his skis?
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: I think you can say maybe they should have done
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: a better job of bolstering the bullpen. You know, Bizarro
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: had a great year last year. He regressed. Munoz had
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: a great year. He regressed. And they didn't really have
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: a lot of depth on the right side when Brash
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: went out. You know, I could pick on that. But again,
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: it's the core that fell apart. The core is eight
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: wins short of where it should be. And I don't
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: know necessarily that I can blame Jerry DePoto for that
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: when those guys had been so good last year, you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: and Josh Naylor, this is all three of those guys
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: are basically having the worst full seasons of their careers.
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: I have trouble blaming the GM for that. I just
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: don't think I can put that on Jerry. And, you know,
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: I've been so frustrated watching this team over the, I'm
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: not a fan of the Mariners, but obviously I've been
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: backing them all year. I, you know, I had a
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: lot of professional investment in their success. So you got
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: to try to separate out the emotion of those jerks
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: let me down from actual analysis. And there have been
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: times in the last week where like watching how badly
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: they've played in the last two weeks, like maybe this
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: is on the GM, but I don't think that's it.
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: He built what is what the second best Mariners team
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: in franchise history. I don't think you, I don't, I don't,
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing he did, he stuck with
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: Wilson too long. And generally speaking, you give the GM
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: a chance to replace the manager. Now he will have
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: done this twice now. And then you focus on the GM.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: Do I think they can do better than Jerry DePoto?
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, who's available? But looking at the guys who
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: might be available, I don't think so. I think Jerry
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: DePoto has earned a chance to make sure that, to
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: say this is a fluke, but I don't think he
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: can be passive this offseason. There's this weird thing where
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: his offseasons are generally passive and his trade deadlines are active.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: And I think he's got to go out this winter
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: with the intent of saying, you know, we're going to,
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: we've got a lot of players on this roster who
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: are not getting paid nearly what they're worth. And we
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: need to use that savings to, to go out and
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: add a five or six win player. I don't think they,
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: maybe they can bring Scooble back home. I mean, obviously
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: that would be a wonderful thing. Although this team doesn't
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: really need starters. You know, can we get a solution
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: in the outfield? Can we get that one extra bat?
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: You're locked in in so many places that it's a
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: tough roster to upgrade as well. So we'll see what
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: he does, but I would not, I mean, I would
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: have like, you know, I would have had Manny active
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: running this team for the last two months. So that's
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: the dugout to the dugout. But I do think that DePoto,
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: he's more solution than problem. And I wouldn't let him.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, you know, you come in and it's,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: you know, fan bases want people's heads. That's just the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: general tone, right? People want people's heads. And the thing
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: with Jerry is, is that, you know, he can come
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: across as... Ashley, help me out here.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Is it aloof.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: kind of smug.
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: I just think, well, no, I think it was almost
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: a little bit of social awkwardness. Like he is so
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: smart and he wants to tell you all the things
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: that are going on in his brain, but doesn't recognize
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: that maybe that's too much.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Information to give. Like the 54% thing might be a
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: great example of that.
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Cause when you really break it down, it kind of
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: makes sense. And, and, but he thought it was positive.
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: But people like, you know, they want full, you know,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: house cleaning Joe. And I'm kind of, I'm kind of
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: with you. Like I, I think two playoff appearances in
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: 11 years isn't good enough, but at the same time,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I look at the roster and, God, at some point,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: you've got to play better if you're a player, right?
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: And manage better if you're a manager. I don't know
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: if Jerry and Justin Hollander are the problem as much
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: as guys in the dugout and, frankly, the manager, as
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: you've said.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: Right, because when you look at why did the Mariners
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: win 74 games or whatever it's going to be this year,
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: I think it does start with those three guys falling seven,
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: eight wins short of expectations. And even now, The starting
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: pitching has been kind of bad for a while now.
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: And you look at the numbers that Gilbert and Kirby
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: and Wu have put up, and they're going to actually
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: end up being four to five wins short of where
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: you would have expected this year. So I'm not putting
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: that on Jerry DePoto. I'm just not. He developed these guys.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: He drafted them. He acquired them. I just have a
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: really hard time putting this team's shortfall. There are things
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: I can put on the GM, but the bulk of
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: the Mariners' 2026 disappointments is the players. And two, I
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: would say the second biggest thing is Dan Wilson. And
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: then that's before I get to the front office.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: You said something there that really kind of piqued my
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: interest too about his philosophy. And it really is that.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: It's kind of go through and throw a couple, you know,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: just kind of sprinkle something in here or there. A
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Ref Snyder, a Pollock, a Colton Wong, whatever it might be.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: You know, you got these guys, you sprinkle in these
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: These guys that you think are going to be, you know,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: they can hit left-handers, they can hit right-handers, whatever it
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: might be. You sprinkle these little sprinkles in in the offseason,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: and then you do your real work in terms of
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: adding the roster at the trade deadline. And the more
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I think about that, that just doesn't feel like it's sustainable.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: It feels like you've got to just be better as
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: you kind of insinuate, if I, if I'm getting you,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: getting you right here, you got to be better in
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the off season, in the winter months, you got to
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: be better than in terms of roster construction.
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: Well, I think certainly now because I can defend him.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: I can look at the roster and say it was
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: the players, but you can't go into 2027 and, with
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: this group of players. I think you've got to find
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: some way to aggressively make it better, especially when you
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: look at a division that you're still going to come
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: as bad as this has been. You're going to go
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: into January and you're going to go into April as
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: the division favorite. The Astros are not very good. The
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: Rangers are better, but they're getting very old and they
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: haven't been able to develop players of late. The Mariners
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: are going to be the favorite next year. I think
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: you've got to find a way to bolster the roster
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: in a way that if you do have disappointing performances,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: you've got more depth to make up for it. Um,
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: You know, it's a very difficult– actually, I do think
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: it's going to be a difficult roster to upgrade. And
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: when you look at the free agent market, you know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: other than Scooble, I'm not going to say it's landmines,
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: but this is the thing about free agency now. There
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: just aren't that many guys every year that are going
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: to help you. This research is a little dated, but
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: at one point, maybe 10 years ago, I looked. In
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: the 90s, 75% of the best players in baseball became
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: free agents in their prime or late prime. Now it's
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: the other way around. 25% of the best players in
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: baseball become free agents in their prime or post-prime. You
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: just can't count on being able to go to the
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: market and find useful ways to spend your money. And
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: you know, the Mets signed Boba Shett. Would you be
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: happy with Boba Shett today?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: The Mets signed Jorge Polanco. You guys are upset because
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: they let Polanco go and Polanco has like nine more
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: hits this year than I do.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: What's your read on Cal Raleigh?
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: Oh, I'm sorry. I does that for me. I sound
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: like trash. Um, I think it's an off year. I
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: think I can look at a lot of the long
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: season last year, coming in early for the WBC, never
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: really getting right. I think it's a fatigue year. I
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: think if I'm projecting Rowley next year, it's a guy
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: I'm taking his baseline from 22 to 24 and maybe
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: knocking a little bit off that for age. So I
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: still think he's a three to four win catcher. I
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: think what you might want to look at, and I
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: know they did this with Garver initially, and Johnny Parade
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: is not really the answer. Do you maybe want to
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: invest in a backup catcher who you're more comfortable playing
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: 55 to 60 times? Upgrade that position. And then, you know,
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: Manny Rowley gets 25 starts at DH and he gets,
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: you know, 35 days off. Catches 100 to 110 games.
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: Maybe upgrading the backup catcher spot, spending some money there
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: is a way to go. Get somebody who's a left-handed
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: hitter so he's a better match. um let's go say
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: it was in better natural rallies switch it or so
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: just we'll chalk that up to fatigue um find somebody
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: who's a good back like that's one if you're not
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: going to be able to find like a superstar you
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: got to figure out how do we make this this
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: roster better and you know the garver thing didn't work
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: so go out and invest some money in the back
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: you know that might not be money that might be
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: going out trade the cardinals have produced like seven starting
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: catchers in the last two years you know go to
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: see if they want to trade any crooks go to
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: see if they want to get Yvonne Herrera who's actually
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: a guy who's who's not good defensively but he can
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: hit and he's more of a if you want to
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: call Cal a catcher DH Herrera is a DH catcher
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: so he can catch for you twice a week he's
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: okay back there but really he's going to bat in
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: the middle of the lineup um or you know be
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: really aggressive and go out they called up Leo Bernal
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: who's hitting like crazy and he's not even their best
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: catching prospect best catching prospect is a kid named Reynal
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: Rodriguez who slugged like 700 at AA over the last
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: two months. That may be the thing to do. Go
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: out and see if you can't match up with the
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: Cardinals on a pitching for catching trait that makes both
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: teams better. But it's creativity and aggression in the offseason
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: that we haven't really seen of late that is going
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: to address this problem.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: There's so many teams in it in the American League still.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Angels and Athletics and Royals, I think,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: have all been mathematically eliminated. Everyone else is still technically
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: in it. Seattle, the most disappointing team, as you mentioned.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Who else is just a big-time disappointment in the American League?
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: Everybody.
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm putting eight of my friends together. We actually
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: are only four games out of the wild card. I
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: think if you're saying who's the next biggest disappointment, the Tigers,
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: who have this incredible... third third order record they actually
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: have the third best run differential in the league and
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: they have to run the table to make the playoffs
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: now they could because they play the jays this week
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: and the white socks this week so they have head-to-head
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: games that give them a puncher's chance they you know
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: if they run the table there we'll see where we
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: are on monday but i think the tigers have to
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: be oops.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: We lost joe there for a second you with me
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: joe oops we lost joe do we lose joe There
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: you are.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: There you are.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: We lost you for a second.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was on me. It wasn't you. The Tigers
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: are the most disappointing team in the AL. They're 20.
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: Jason Benetti is phenomenal. I know you just incredibly work
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: for NBC. He had a note last night on the broadcast.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: They're 21 and 43 in one and two run games.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: Scott Harris went out this winter. He signed Kenley Jansen.
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: They retained Kyle Finnegan out of two runs. on a
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: two-year contract, and it was just money that was just wasted.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: Remember two years ago, they traded Jack Flaherty at the deadline.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: And they made the playoffs because A.J. Hinch just went
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: with Scooble and a whole bunch of bullpen games. Their
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: bullpen two years ago got them into the playoffs. Their
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: bullpen this year is taking.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: Them out of the playoffs.
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: So I think the Tigers have to be next on
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: that list.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: You mentioned there, though, it's interesting, a dynamic of head-to-head
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: games with teams that matter because, as you said, we
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: all know here in Seattle, they've got this incredibly soft schedule.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, angels and Rockies.
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: They've got a couple with Houston, but then the angels again, right?
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: So it's like, you've got these games that, but the
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: problem with those games, even if you win them, you don't,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: unless you beat the Astros probably might be over by
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: then anyway, but it doesn't matter. Cause you need to actually,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: you need head to head games at this point in
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: the season.
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: Well, if you're six back, if you're two back, which
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: is where the Mariners should have been, if they'd beaten
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: up the, I don't get me started. Cause we also
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: had the five games against the Rangers and Astros. They
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: took two out of three from the Rangers last week.
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: That was the other thing they had. They had both
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: a very weak schedule and some head-to-head opportunities. They're six
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: back in the Astros. They could sweep the Astros, and
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: it might not be relevant. It's a two-game series. That's
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: just not enough. So, yeah, you want those head-to-head opportunities
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: if you're behind. If you're ahead, obviously, you'd rather– you
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: don't want to have to give those opportunities. It's weird
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: this year in that there aren't a whole lot of these.
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: The Yankees and Rays play next week. The AL East
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: may or may not be in the balance. The Padres
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: and Diamondbacks play the final– final weekend of the season
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: that may or may not determine the NL wildcard. I
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: feel like in previous years, we've been talking about Mariners Rangers.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: Yes. Rangers Astros.
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: And it just didn't, it didn't fall that way this year.
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: And like, look, I'm not going to sit here and
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: make 162 game schedule. I'm not going to say it's hard.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of things that go into play. It's
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: become more complicated because of the play everybody's schedule, which
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: I think they should get rid of. It's just that
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: the travel and the matchups just become too complicated. But
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: I think you've got to do a better job of
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: getting some of these interesting matchups into September. We just
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: don't have a lot of good like that last weekend
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: includes five interleague series. And to me, that's the one
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: that should be the easiest to say, OK, we're going
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: to have the Rockies play the Angels and everything else
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: is going to be within the league or the division.
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: And instead they have like the Yankees playing the Cubs
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: on the final weekend of the season. So, yeah, they
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: don't have enough head to head matchups. Even in this
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: crazy American League, you've got the Tigers playing the Royal,
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: excuse me, the Blue Jays, the White Sox. You've got
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: the Blue Jays playing the Orioles next week. You've got
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: that two-game series between the Mariners and the Astros. But
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: most of it is just watching scoreboards. And I think
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: the game is better if you've got more of these
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: head-to-head matchups.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's strange. The second year in a row, the
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Mariners have played the Rockies very late in the season.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: They finished last year with the Rockies and the Dodgers,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: which is just, yeah, that seems like you do a
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: little better job with the schedule.
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: Avoidable. Yeah. Seems avoidable.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very much avoidable. So they're done, right, as far
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: as the wild card. Are they officially done in the
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: AL West? I mean, if they win out, they're 81-81.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Let's assume they don't win out. Can an 80-82 team
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: win the American League West?
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: Yes, because there are head-to-head matchups. The Rangers and Astros
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: don't play each other again. So they conceivably could both
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: lose out. Now, that's probably not going to happen. Could
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: they both go 5-7? I mean, have you seen these teams?
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: They can easily go five and seven, but they do.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: I think that's one of the things we're also talking
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: about here. Where it's not, we're talking about good teams.
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: We say, man, are they really going to lose seven
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: out of 12? No, no problem at all seeing the
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: Astros and Rangers losing seven out of 12. So are
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: they done done? I mean, I think they're done, but mathematically, yes,
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: they can run the table and I will come in
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: here two weeks from today and I will have a
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: nice plate of crow that I will pretend to eat.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you can also say you predicted them
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: to make the playoffs, so that's fine, too.
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: No, I finally did get off the train this week,
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: so if they go ahead and win 11 in a row,
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: God bless them. But realistically, does this look like a
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: team that can go 11-1, that can go 12-0?
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: No.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: I mean, they just lost six out of eight to
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: the A's and H's.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: They look done. Like, just when you look in the dugout,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: especially after the— they look done. They look like we're making
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: travel plans is what they look like. And— Yeah, can
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: they do that?
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: No.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that they have to go 11-0
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: to finish 500 or 10-1 to finish 80-82, like the
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: bare minimum, I know. And then on top of that,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Houston's got a series with Kansas city starting tonight. Right.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Like I, not every team's going to lose to bad
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: teams like the Mariners have.
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: I mean, I remember there've been, there've been a couple
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: of years in the past. I was talking to my,
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: do my Texas head earlier today where the Astros have
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: played the A's and lost, like the Astros got swept
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: by the A's. over consecutive weeks a couple of years back.
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: This is the thing about baseball. It's not just in
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: the postseason we talk about anything can happen and randomness.
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: The Dodgers went 0-6 against the Reds last year. None
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: of these teams are good enough to where you'd say, oh, no,
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: they're obviously going to beat so-and-so. I'm sorry, they're just not.
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: The Astros, Jordan Alvarez was two games with an ankle injury.
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: He didn't look great on Sunday either. He hasn't had
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: a hit since Wednesday. Um, you know, that's, that's not
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: a very good team. And after Hunter Brown pitches tonight,
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: you know, it's, I think I said last week, it's
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: Larry and Curly on the mound for them. So yeah,
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: they can lose eight out of 12. I think the Rangers,
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: you know, the starting pitching is better, but they have
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: all kinds of trouble scoring runs. They can lose eight
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: out of 12. I think right now it is probably 50,
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: 50 that we get a sub 500 team into the playoffs.
• 40:35
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• 40:40
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• 41:55
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• 42:08
  Speaker 2: two ahead of John Lund at 2 o'clock, 93.3 KGRFM.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Ian's weekly visit with John Lund Unleashed. He's
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: a Bay Area media icon who's known Ian for over
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: 25 years. But don't let their age change your opinion
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: of them. John takes you through the Bay Area and
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the NFC West and dukes it out with Ian over
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the Niners and the Hawks.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: So let's unleash it. Now with John Lund.
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: Here's Ian.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: God, Ashley's getting the full John Lund experience right now.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: I love it when this happens.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: This is awesome. Just so you know, This is typical.
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: He texted me three minutes ago.
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he was texting with us.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: And he sent me a separate text to let me
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: know that he's going to be at the Seahawks game
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: against the Cardinals on Sunday.
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to try him again. Give him a shout.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: He'll be there. This is his thing. He likes messing around.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: He thinks it's funny. And now, in fairness, he gets
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: off the air at 2 o'clock, too. So I can
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: see part of that as well. But, yeah, there's a
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: lot to discuss with this knucklehead today because of what
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: happened in the first weekend of the NFL season, for sure.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: We'll get to him in just a couple seconds. 49451,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: give me a couple teases here for a second. 49451
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: is the Tacoma Dutch text line. We'll get to your
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: text coming up at 2.30. Ashley has a pick in
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: fact or fiction. That's coming up as well at 2.35 today,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: your chance to win a $ 1, 000 weekly prize or a
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: $ 10, 000 grand prize. See, this is a typical San Francisco
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: thing because what happens is, These guys win a big game,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: get a little full of themselves, and then we get
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Lund being Lund. That's what happens. We'll get him on
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: in just a couple seconds. The Seahawks will be back
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: on the field tomorrow, or as I like to say,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: and Ashley will make fun of it, tomorrow. They'll be
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: back on the field tomorrow. We'll hear from Mike McDonald tomorrow.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: We'll get a little bit more on Sam Darnold. The
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: game this Sunday in Arizona, which we were excited about,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: looked to be like an easy win. Doesn't feel like
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: that right now with what happened before. So we'll get
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: to that, all that stuff. I think he's there. Is
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: he there? Okay, here we go.
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: Is he there?
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're having a nice conversation. Okay, there he is. See,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I told Ashley the full John Lund experience is only
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: that if you are late. That's, you know, that's what
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: Her first.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: This is day two with me after the trade was
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: completed with the morning show. And I warned her about
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: one thing, and that would be you. That would be you.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: He did.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: What?
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: That's ridiculous.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: I'm always on time. There was a terrible flood. It
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: wasn't my fault. Like the Blues Brothers, you know? It
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: wasn't my fault.
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: To be fair, he said I would have to call
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: you five times. I only had to call you three times,
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: and then you called back, so.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Let me say. Yeah, come back. How about that?
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: She didn't even call me. I called you.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: That's even better.
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: How about that?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: That's really good because I would never call you. Four
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: minutes after the hour for those. I've got a couple
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: on the text line.
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: Oh, please.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: You're always late.
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: This is the most on time you've ever been on
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: your entire life.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Well, because I have a new producer, and she actually
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: cracks the whip and makes sure I'm on time. It's
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: not like Anders is sloughing off doing nothing.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: I give him.
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: By the way, whatever you gave up, you won.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, I did.
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: Anders was trash.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest.
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: He's terrible. I know.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I'm waiting for Chuck to give me the call. Hey,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: we need to rescind the trade.
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: No.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: Sorry.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't work that way.
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: No physicals, none of that stuff. None of that. None
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: of that. No take-backsies, whatever that was in elementary school.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Take-backsies. Is that when you're trading your lunch? I thought
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I was getting a ding-dong. No, I'm getting a stale
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Oreo cookie. No, I wanted a ding-dong.
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: Whatever. Damn.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, this isn't Max Crosby. This is not happening. Oh, God.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. By the way, I did lunch show last.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Was it last Wednesday I did it? Was it last Wednesday? Yeah, probably.
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah. They angered everybody.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: People were getting upset, I heard. Yeah, I don't know why.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I thought it was very nice.
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: You know what you're doing. You said San Fran. They
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: hate San Fran. They hate Frisco, all that stuff.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: That's all you would do. You know, San Fran and Frisco. Yeah.
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: They were like, who's this clown?
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Make fun of the substation a couple times. That gets
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: people very fired up. Oh, you make fun of Candlestick.
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: And it's like, look, Candlestick is a dump, but it's
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: our dump. You know what I mean? So you can't
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: make fun of it.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: But you did.
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: You said you almost got killed there one time. You
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: were embellishing a little. Or a lot. Not very much.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I think I did three post-game shows for Fox outside.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: And you had to do them next to the Santa Cans,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: next to the park. It was like the worst place
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: you could possibly do a TV post-game show. Like, it's
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: just a viral moment waiting to happen the whole time.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: But I do like, honestly, I told you guys this,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I like Candlestick. I miss Candlestick. It was a dump,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: but it was your dump, but it was kind of
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: a charming dump along the way. I didn't mind it.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: There's part of me that misses the Kingdome here, to
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: be honest.
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: I attended games there. I lived in Edmonds, Washington for
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: a while, and I attended. I was there when Efren
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: Herrera threw a pass. I was there when maybe he
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: caught a pass. It was against Minnesota or something. But anyway, yeah,
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: I was there. I'm younger than you. I look younger
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: than you. You've got a complete gray beard. Come on, man.
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: Precision formula is your friend. Let's go.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: No, I can't see it. The problem at this point,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I can't change it. Because if I do, people are
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: going to go, oh, you're coloring your beard. You're coloring
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: your hair. I can't do that. I was too late.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I should have done that years ago. God, I'm screwed.
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a good point. Is that why they fired
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: you from the TV?
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: They did not.
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: You didn't do TV for hockey.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I got TV for hockey. I didn't get fired. I've
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: been fired plenty of times. That wasn't one of the times. No,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: I changed TV jobs.
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: You weren't supposed to find out about that. I forgot.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: You weren't supposed to find.
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: Out about that.
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Listen, stop it. When am I coming back on your show?
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: What are we talking about today?
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Mike Florio in Pro Football Talk put a story out
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: that apparently the 49ers in San Fran are the favorites
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: to win the NFC West now. What the hell? What
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: world are we living in?
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, come on. God, we're okay. As much as I'd
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: love to come on here and say that, ha ha.
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: And we were texting back and forth, you and I,
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: but it's like, it's one week, man. Like they crushed
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: the Rams. You know, Sean McVay is a dummy. They
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: look stupid for coming in there late. And now they're
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: trying to say, oh yeah, we did that on purpose.
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: Cause you know, we wanted to be on track the
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: whole year. Like LA media is a bunch of morons.
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: And so, you know, that all that stuff's going on,
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: but it's one week like miles Garrett's out, you know,
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: you know, all this kind of stuff. Like it's one week.
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: I mean, the Niners play the dolphins and dolphins are terrible.
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: So that not then like Arizona week three, they look
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: pretty good. Like, would it surprise me that the Niners
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: overlooked the Arizona? That was a close game or something? No, no.
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: you know, so it's one week, everybody overreacts over one
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: week and freaks out. Like they're saying the Niners are this, or,
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: you know, I think the, you know, I'm not a
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: big power ranking guy, but the, I take you that
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: this morning has the Niners number one in power rankings.
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: It's like, you know, come on, man. Like everyone's overreacting.
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, that was probably, it probably was the biggest
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: win or best win of week one going to Australia and,
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: killing the Rams. The Rams were terrible. I don't know
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: how much was jet lag and how much was actual football,
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: but the Niners just crushed them. That was probably the
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: best win of week one because everybody was talking so
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: much about the Rams. To say that they're going to
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: be the NFC West favorites, I'd probably back off on that.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Before they gave up and put Stetson Bennett in, the Rams,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: not even their first-round quarterback that they have in Tyson,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: before they put Stetson Bennett in, The 49ers had held
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: the Rams to 260 yards of offense. They finished with 290. But,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was an ass-kicking, man. I know it's
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: week one, but I know if that was the 49ers
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: that it happened to or the Seahawks it happened to,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: we'd be having a different discussion today. There'd be a
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: little bit of panic on our shows.
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I don't know how much to believe. I mean, again,
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: I'd love to come on here in Seattle and make
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: everybody panic that they're this good, but they weren't supposed
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: to have much of a pass rush. Raheem Morris kind
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: of schemed that up that they did. I think the
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: worst game that Matthew Stafford ever had was that first
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: game last year against the Seahawks in LA, not the
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: last two, which were kind of shootouts, but that first one.
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: I mean, he threw for 155 yards. He looked confused.
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: Puka Nakua wasn't really even part of the offense. I mean,
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: I know what he had done to the Seahawks. I mean,
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: they shut him down in every way you could shut
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: them down. They caused turnovers. I mean, it was, like
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: you said, that's as bad as you're going to beat
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: a Sean McVay team. They scored seven points. They were
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: up 7-3. And then the Niners missed a field goal.
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, they really, they could have hammered it even
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: worse in that game. It was a complete disaster. butt
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: kicking and then miles garrett goes out i mean really
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: you know what's funny about week one narratives and you
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: and i talk about it all the time is like
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: who would have thought a week ago you know the
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: rams were plus 500 to win the super bowl it's
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: just going to be you know a matter of how
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: the rams win the super bowl and now they lose
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: they don't look good doing it uh-oh all of a
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: sudden like i heard a thing today that said that
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: you know what matthew stafford and his back and he
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: might not and they might not make the playoffs and
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: it's like let's settle down but as far as being
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: dominant that was as dominant as a win.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: You're ever going to get over the rams Well, I
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: think you mentioned it, though. We talked about it last week.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: The most interesting part of this game was the case
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: study of sports science, was it not?
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: And then whoever it didn't work for would downplay it
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: on the back end. But there's no doubt about it.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: It made a difference. I mean, the Rams weren't right,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: and the 49ers did it right, invested in the trip,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: invested in going down early. And McVay's not the smartest
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: guy in the room every day like he thinks he is.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: And we also said it on the show last week.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: So we can't go back. We were rooting for the,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: for the 49ers. I mean, we were all 49ers fans
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: last week. It was a good, I think, honestly, I
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if pretty much every NFL fan was
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: rooting for the 49ers last week. Cause people don't like
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: super teams. They just don't, they don't like super teams.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: And that's, that's what, that's what that team was easy.
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: I mean, And I don't know if you saw the
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: 60 minutes thing, but it's like, my God, like he's
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: smarter than everybody else. And the whole, it's just, you know,
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: I think they thought they were going to win that.
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: And then they were going to roll this 60 minutes
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: thing in there and all that thing. And I was
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: steadfast in my belief and I was wrong as I
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: often am. I'm like, look, this is not going to
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: have anything to do with travel. And we're not going
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: to talk about travel after the game. And this is
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: a pregame conversation. You know what? I want to give credit.
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: I think you can do two things at once. I
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: want to give credit to the 49ers.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: For winning the game.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: Dude, the Rams were lethargic. I mean, they just, they
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: had nothing left. I've talked to a couple of, I've
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: had a couple of Niners on my show since that happened.
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: Fred Warner being one. And he just said, look, I
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: could see it in their eyes. Like they just, we
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: got up a couple of touchdowns on them and they just,
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: they quit. And not in the way that, you know,
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: you don't want to ever say an athlete quits because
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: you don't know. And that's a pretty hard thing to
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: level against somebody. But what I'm saying is, is that
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: he just knew that based on just their energy level,
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: he's like, they're just done. Like they don't have it.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Well, you better hope if you're the Rams. If you're
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: the Rams, you better sure as hell hope it was fatigue.
• 53:20
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Like, seriously. Like, if it wasn't– because what– for people
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: who don't know John Lund covered Stafford early in his career.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: He was working in Detroit then.
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, right.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Like, he's been around forever. And at some point, stuff
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: stops working as well as it used to.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Like, again, I'm just trying to put myself down there.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: If I was doing a show in L.A., I'd be like, there's–
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: hope like hell it was fatigue and that's all it was.
• 53:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: And that it's not Stafford is, you know, it's, it's been,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: you know, eight months since he played a game and
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: we age and hopefully it's not that if you're the,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: hopefully Puka Nakua's mind isn't all messed up and distracted
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: and you'll go through the whole list of stuff. Oh,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I hope it is.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: I hope it is too.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're all hoping that, but if you're the Rams,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: that's what you're hoping at the same time, the 49ers
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: look great. Like they looked fantastic. Like, and, and, Part
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: of that's coaching, and part of that is, hey, George
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Kittle's healthy. Bosa looks healthy. Most of us don't like
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: the fact. I'd like to see McCaffrey have more than
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: 15 touches in a game, 10 and 5. I'm not
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: sure why we had to see so much of Keon Black,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: but nevertheless. But they managed him perfectly. You know, they
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: managed him perfectly.
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: I didn't want to send this to you, but there
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: was a local writer who said, are we finally seeing
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: Kyle Shanahan balance the running back duties? Which, you know,
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: would have made you really mad, but that's not going
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: to happen. Like that was one game. I think McCaffrey
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: had 10 carries, Black had 15. And of course you
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: have McCaffrey as well. you know, a player on your
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: fantasy team. So it's not as, by the way, not
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: that anyone wants to hear fantasy, but my wife beat
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: me in fantasy this week. And it is ruthless. I mean,
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: ruthless and ruthless. She's texting me constantly. She's never played.
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: That was the first game she ever played. And I
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: bet her dinner. And she's like, yeah, like the most
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: expensive place. Cause I told her last week, I go,
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: let's put a cap on it. Cause you know, I'm
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: going to beat you pretty bad. And it's, you know,
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: your team's not very good. And she smoked me like
• 55:12
  Speaker 7: by 20 points. Anyway, I digress. I don't even know
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: what we're talking about.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: For those that don't know, John's wife doesn't like him.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: So the fact she's texting him, that does say something
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: right there.
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: She would never text me.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: She's communicating with you.
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: It's been ruthless. It's been ruthless. Probably like 10 to
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: 15 texts since that. It was honestly her first game.
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: She didn't even know. She's like, so is this for
• 55:35
  Speaker 7: the whole season?
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: What are we doing?
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: Do I need to put... She's asking me all these
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: elementary questions. I'm like, oh man, this is the best
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: free dinner I've ever had.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Free W.
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: I get beat by 20. Oh, my God. Yeah, you
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: got to be by 20.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Anyway, what were we talking about? I'll go back to
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: the Rams for a second because it is like first
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: week overreaction is always fun. But one of the ones
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: that is interesting is then look at week two because
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: we do this in college too. I mean, your friends
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: and mine, the Oregon Ducks, are thinking this right now. Like, okay,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: we got the one loss. We got the one loss,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma state, we got Portland state, but then we got USC.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I think after that, like, like all of a sudden,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: you know, losses aren't good at that, that right-hand column,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: the giants go to the Rams for Monday night football
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: next week on, on next Monday. Well, John Harbaugh looks
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: like the giants actually look like a legitimate football team
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: for the first. Can you imagine if they go in
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: there and knock off the Rams on Monday night football?
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: It wouldn't shock me only that not that I'm overreacting
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: to it because that's their easiest game over the next four.
• 56:33
  Speaker 7: I mean, they've got four really tough games, but the
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: reason why the giants might be real is because Jackson
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: dart looked good. And you know, look, everybody always says
• 56:41
  Speaker 7: that Dallas is going to be something and they never are.
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: And it's the same old thing. You know, all these
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: people projected their defense to be good. And it's like,
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: they stink. but Jackson Dart looks like he's real. You know,
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: he was looking off receivers. He looked like a real
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: NFL quarterback versus last year. He was kind of one
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: read and then uses athleticism to run. He looked good. And,
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: you know, I think Scataboo is a little bit overrated,
• 57:02
  Speaker 7: but neighbors coming back and they've got a lot of
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: defensive talent. They always have. They just couldn't put it together.
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: And Harbaugh can, you know, obviously Harbaugh can coach. So,
• 57:09
  Speaker 7: You're right. That could be a dangerous game. And then
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: the other side, they got a few right after that
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: without miles Garrett and people are forgetting. They're saying that
• 57:17
  Speaker 7: it's four weeks minimum. Like he's not automatically going to
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: come back after four weeks. I think that the Rams
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: will slow play this and make sure that he's right.
• 57:24
  Speaker 7: So who knows? And then Aaron Donald's going to come
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: back without him. And look, I think Donald's going to
• 57:28
  Speaker 7: be fine, but he's 35 years old. You and I
• 57:30
  Speaker 7: talked about it last week. It's not automatic that he
• 57:32
  Speaker 7: comes back and is the dominant player that he was.
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: So it's funny that, you know, before the season starts,
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: it's all the Rams. And now it's like, Oh my God,
• 57:40
  Speaker 7: the Rams have an improved giants team. And then a
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: bunch of tough games behind that. Could they start like
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: two and three or something like that? They could.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: They're Donald's like, wait a second. I came back. Cause
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: I'm playing with this dude. He's going to get double
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: teamed every day. Watch Aaron Donald go, yeah, I'm on
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: the same timeline right now as Garrett. You let me
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: know when he's back, and I'll make my debut when
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: he's back.
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: I can see that. I can see that.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: He's like, dude, I.
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: Came back for some easy work. I want to stand
• 58:07
  Speaker 7: next to Miles Garrett. I don't want to stand next
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: to Brandon. I mean, what are you kidding me? What
• 58:12
  Speaker 7: are we doing?
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: He's probably saying, where's that Jared Verskite? He's really, oh,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: he got traded for, oh. I'm good. You let me
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: know when Garrett's back. You mentioned the Cowboys. Another place
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: John worked was Dallas. Who knew? You mentioned the Dallas Cowboys.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I had to chuckle because Dallas did something that every
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: team's trying to do right now in the NFL. you're
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: trying to find the new wonder kid, right? The young guy,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: the up-and-coming coordinator or whatever it would be. And for
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: every McVay or Kyle or McDonald, there's Mike McDaniel and
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: go down the list, right, of guys it just doesn't
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: work out for. And it's one game, but man, Christian Parker,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, I talked to you after the preseason game,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks played a preseason game, and All the Dallas
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: talk was about Christian Parker, their new D.C., and this guy,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: he's the dude, man. Because Dallas' defense was awful last year,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: and their offense was really good. Their defense allowed 9
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: of 11 third-down conversions. to the Giants. They gave up
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: almost 400 yards. They couldn't get a stop at the end,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: the last two drives when they needed one. That looks
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: like the same damn Dallas defense, maybe even worse. Well, and,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: and plus like New.
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: York ran the same swing pass out to the back
• 59:24
  Speaker 7: three straight times. Like, I don't know what they're doing.
• 59:26
  Speaker 7: I like Caleb downs. That was a really nice pickup,
• 59:28
  Speaker 7: but you know, the Niners, one of the better off
• 59:31
  Speaker 7: season moves that was underrated, uh, they got OSA, the, uh,
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: the defensive tackle that, that the, uh, that the Cowboys had. Oh,
• 59:38
  Speaker 7: dig a Zua. And they got him like a third
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: round pick. He had four pressures against the Rams. Like
• 59:43
  Speaker 7: he's a good interior defensive lineman. He was their best
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: defensive lineman, uh, in week one against the Rams and
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: they let him go. Like they still haven't really replaced
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: Micah Parsons. I know that everybody thinks that they're back
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: and you know what they did to the, to the defense,
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: but I've met, you know, until Dallas proved something, I
• 59:59
  Speaker 7: never believed their preseason hype. So they're not anything. The
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: Eagles didn't look all that great. It was Washington shooting
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: themselves in the foot as much as anything else. The bears,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: everybody's talking about the bears. They scored 59. They gave
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: up 37. I just, I like their offense and I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: love Ben Johnson, but you know, you and I often
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: talk about just the entire look of the NFC. The
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 7: Packers look terrible. I've never, we've, we've talked about this
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: a ton. I'm not a Kyler Murray fan at all.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 7: I feel bad for the concussion, but the one thing
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: people aren't talking about, you and I have talked about
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: this before. He dives. He is the worst at diving
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 7: at the last second. Niners coaches have told me time
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 7: and time again, they get pissed because he's already low
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 7: to the ground. And then he's, he's the worst now
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: because quarterbacks generally don't get hit on the slide anymore.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: Guys know. And, but what Kyler did at the last
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: minute to get smashed like that was he does what
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: he always does. And I'm not, I'm not saying that
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: I want Kyler get hurt like that. But his first
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 7: pass was an interception.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, his first pass? Oh, John, his first pass was
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: vintage Kyler Murray. It was vintage. The only thing missing
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: was I thought Devin Witherspoon would intercept it because it
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: feels like those are the ones that... Seriously, like that
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: is just a vintage Kyler Murray throw. I also think
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: that the Packers were having buyer's remorse. They're like, oh,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: we shouldn't have hit him. Like, keep him in the game.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: We're better off. Yeah, exactly. We're way better off.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: Because Wentz played good, actually. But anyway, the point is that,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 7: you know, the NFC right now, I mean, it's week one.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: I get those kind of things. Um, you know, and,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 7: and plus even Arizona looked decent. I mean, their offense with,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: you know, a disciple of, uh, you know, McVeigh, Scanahan, uh,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: another Lafleur on our hands. They look decent. So look,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 7: I don't, I don't think that they're going to be
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 7: good defensively, but they might score points. By the way, I'm,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 7: I'm going to that game this weekend. I'm going to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 7: Seahawks Cardinals.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: If you need some help, if you need me to
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: actually make note of that reporter, we have a correspondent there.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: We would love your correspondence.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: What are the chances we call the answers?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: Well, it depends on how many times we call.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Three to five, I'd say the chances are pretty high. Yeah,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: they might be. They might be. God, what a knucklehead.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Are you going to?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll go in there.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Hey, we both have survivor picks from the same survivor pool.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Do we take the 49ers this week?
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: They won't have a letdown.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: They will not.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: You can put this, you can, you can have this.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 7: And when they lose, you can play this time and
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: they're not having a letdown against my Miami stinks. I
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: don't know if you saw it in that game. Oh yeah.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: Against the Raiders.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 7: Oh my God.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: No, they are terrible. Yeah.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Well, that was a funny thing. The dolphins understand that
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: they're playing for the top pick. Apparently, the Cardinals and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: the Jets did not. Right. You did not get the memo.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: You didn't get the memo that, hey, New York, you're
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: supposed to be bad.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: What was that with Geno? What, did Geno just hate
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 7: Pete Carroll and the Raiders? What happened? He played really good.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: That was crazy. What the hell? It was crazy.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Check down Gino was 19-24 in this check down world
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: that he lives in. So let's not get too carried away,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: all right?
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Although he did have three passes over 30 yards. I
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: don't know if those were catching runs, though. So check
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: down Gino. But yeah, the Titans, your buddy Robert Sala
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: looks like the old Titans again. That's good.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he might be one of those guys
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 7: that's a really good coordinator. He's a leader of men.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: I mean, he's a great guy, but, God, they're terrible.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: Your guy, Cam Moore, see, if he was good, you
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 7: would say he went to Washington State. He's terrible.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't even know. He is terrible. I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: think he went to Miami and incarnate word. That's where
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: he went.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: He is terrible. Oh, my God. Add that to the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: bus list. I'm already ready to say that. He looks terrible.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: By the way, I know we're not going to mention
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 7: this very long. I know that my Utah State Aggies lost,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: but they didn't lose like your Washington State Cougars did.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: I'm just saying. We only lost by two. Yeah. We
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: lost by two. The mighty Aggies only lost by two.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: I'm just letting you know.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Let me just tell you this. Ashley, you can confirm.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Husky fans are taking that well, too, up here, right?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: The performance by Washington.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: They're taking that really well. Yeah, two-point win over Utah State.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Something to celebrate. DeMond with his $ 4. 5 million contract at quarterback.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: How much is your quarterback getting paid? Like $ 4? Kind
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: of like ours at Wazoo?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: At Utah State, our players get paid in beer. We
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: have national tequila days at Utah State. It's everybody who
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 7: couldn't get into BYU, and it's just a bunch of
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: complete degenerates like me. So that's what our football team is.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: I mean, they're a bunch of drunks, and they lost
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: to Washington by two. It's the worst football. It's terrible football.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: It's a terrible football program. They get paid in beer.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: Come on.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: What's wrong with you? It's all Jack Mormons up there?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 7: Exactly. It's like, oh, I can't go into B... You know,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 7: it's all the girls and guys that do the wrong
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: things in high school, and so they excommunicate them from
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: their church, and they all go to Utah State.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Honor code violations everywhere. They move up, they just go
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: north 90 miles. That's perfect. Yeah. Well, we've offended everybody now,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: so I guess we're done. No, it's fine. How are the.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: Ducks fans taking that loss to Oklahoma State, by the way?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: Is that going over pretty well?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, buddy, it's... That's the one thing I think Ashley's
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: a Husky fan. I think that made the weekend tolerable, right?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I laughed.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: I think most people did. I got a text from
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: our former co-host that we share, Mark Amazon in Cincinnati.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: He's an IU alum. And Amazon just like making fun.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: He's making fun of him. Like when Mark Amazon's making
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: fun of the Ducks. What did he say?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's the worst talk show of all time, by
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: the way.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: Just the worst, but yeah.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: He says, let me know if you need someone to
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: break down the most overhyped, overfunded, overrated embarrassment to the
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Big Ten conference that I love. Shameful. Yeah, apparently everybody
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: in the Big Ten is celebrating Oregon's loss. Like everybody,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: including your buddy Amazon.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: Well, so I, they, they moved me to, so I'm
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: doing their college football game day. So I do college
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: football game day on Saturday and Westwood one. And I
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: do the NFL thing on Sunday, that thing where you
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: go around all the stadiums, all that stuff, which is
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: terrible for someone like me, that's ADD. They're like, Hey,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: let's put London there. It's like, Oh, shiny object. So
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: it's horrible to.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: Put me there.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 7: But anyway, I was on the air when Oregon was
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 7: losing that game to Oklahoma state. And I was just laughing.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 7: And people were calling getting pissed, like the duck, you know,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: whatever they call it, duck nation, which is like eight people.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Like they were all.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 7: Calling in and getting all angry at me. And I'm like,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: you lost to a team that you beat 69 to
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 7: three last year and had lost 12 straight games and
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 7: lost the Tulsa the week before. And you're calling and
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: saying something, what is wrong with you? And you have
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: the unlimited budget that you have. You have this, you know,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 7: My God, their defense was horrible. They give up 600
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: yards of offense daily. My God.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Best of makers of Heisman finalists now after that. By
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: the way, two texts for you before we go.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: We're late.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: I had Lund at over 210 at plus 160. Somebody
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: on the Cal Shee market. I know you were at 204.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Tell Lund he needs to take his wife to stake 44.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: That's from Ryan in Scottsdale. So there you go. We'll
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: get in. recommendation spot yeah.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: I just i don't want to afford that but yeah
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: i put no limit on it because i thought well
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: i'm going to win this thing i put no limit
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: on it and now she's like she's talking places even
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: above that like that's a that's a nice joint that
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: that person just talked about yeah but uh yeah she's
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: going she's trying to well she's trying to bankrupt me
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 7: which wouldn't take very long no no i would mcdonald's
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 7: and bankrupt me i'd take her to.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: Los dos molinos that's my favorite spot but there you
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: go all right we're done we'll talk to you next
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: week see.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: Ya all right there you go see ya.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah john lund I bet I'm never getting invited back
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: on his show, by the way. I offended way too
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: many people. You think he offends people? I went all
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: full in softy mode last week in San Francisco.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: That's bold of you.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: He said people were upset afterwards. We'll find out.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: Take a break.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Come back. Ashley's got a factor fix, and we'll squeeze
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: a couple texts in as well next.