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Debunking Orbs in 30 Minutes. It’s easy to do, since if your “orb” was seen only through a camera lens, it wasn’t a ghost · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  welcome everybody to the first monday bonus episode
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  The episode you're about to hear was one of the
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  now. There's going to be a strange blip here
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  or there, but it's the content that really matters.
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  And this topic is very important to me. The topic,
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  of course, is orbs. And if you haven't heard
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  this original episode, buckle up. It's a wild
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  one. There's a lot to unpack. So let's dive right
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  in. Welcome to our podcast where we take deep
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  dives looking at various topics through a paranormal
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  lens. Today's question is, are orbs paranormal?
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  The answer is kind of cut and dry. So why is
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  this topic so controversial? Oh, brother. That's
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  all I can say about orbs. This will be it. uh
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  ben is very opinionated on on orbs i hear um
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  you actually were kicked out of a couple facebook
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  groups about your opinions yeah well two things
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  one you you picked this topic this week where
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  you wanted to talk about orbs and i think it's
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  good to do so sooner rather than later um and
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  to your point yes i did get kicked out of a couple
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  facebook groups because i did a live stream during
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  covid back in 2020 um we were doing a couple
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  live streams back and i did one about orbs it
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  was an educational video i made a powerpoint
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  presentation which i thought was deleted but
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  i just found it a few minutes ago um so that's
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  fun but um it was educational it had sources
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  20 something sources in it and some facebook
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  groups didn't like hearing the facts that i was
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  sharing so they they booted me from those groups
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  never to be rejoined and angela asked me earlier
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  what the groups were i don't even know they all
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  are the same they're like i well ghost evidence
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  on camera the reason why i ask is because i kind
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  of want to like go on those facebook groups and
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  check them out and then you know what'd be funny
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  if i share that same presentation as you Be like,
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  hey, I found this awesome source and I think
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  this is some great information. Have any of you
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  heard of this or seen this? And then they kick
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  me out. Oh my gosh, I kind of really want to
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  do that. I kind of really want you to do that
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  too. Now we have a new thing to share. Be like,
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  look at this new thing. It's a podcast episode.
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  Should we actually title this? Orbs are real.
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  Fascinating evidence caught on camera. This orb
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  is your dead loved one. Proven. Finally. As you
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  can tell by my sarcasm. That's what you have
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  to label it as. Just to get them to watch it?
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  Yes. And then it pisses them off. Yeah. Well,
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  going off of that, I feel like we all have the
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  same opinion. We haven't stated it yet. You can
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  tell. Yeah, you can tell. We don't believe that.
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  orbs are actually paranormal i mean but here's
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  the thing is like you can see orbs and i think
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  those in a way are paranormal but when you're
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  catching them in film or photography and going
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  back later and discovering orbs that's when it's
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  that's not paranormal yeah that's very that's
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  very good to bring up um at the top of this because
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  that's the most important distinction i think
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  uh that can be made and that i made back in that
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  initial live stream my opinion on the matter
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  which is we all agree is fact you know um is
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  that there has never been an orb seen only through
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  the lens of a camera that's an important distinction
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  if the orb has only been seen through the lens
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  of a camera it is not ghostly there's never been
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  a orb caught only on camera not seen with naked
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  eye only through a camera lens that can be definitively
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  stated as anything unnatural paranormal supernatural
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  etc if you saw with your naked eye that's not
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  what we're talking about here orbs in the sky
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  flashes of light are those extraterrestrials
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  are those and more natural phenomena like swamp
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  gas or plasma light whatever that's a whole separate
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  topic i think than what we're talking about yeah
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  we're talking about the ones that you get on
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  film and camera the ones that you see a lot on
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  ghost tv shows or ghost we saw this orb come
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  out of the spirit box at the same time we felt
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  something or the same time the mood shifted i
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  think we all know who i'm talking about i mean
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  but to that point though there are some big bugs
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  out there i felt bugs whiz by me before you can
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  feel you can feel the orb is just not a ghost
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  that you felt exactly yeah um though there was
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  one point i wanted to make was that they're like
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  we said orbs can be like paranormal not usually
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  when you see them through the camera but i think
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  a good distinction as well is if it's a self
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  -illuminating orb which means like it's not just
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  like when you take a picture and it catches light
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  on an orb it looks like it's glowing right but
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  like nothing around it's glowing if you're catching
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  an orb that's glowing and it's lighting up things
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  around it then i'd be more inclined to believe
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  it's paranormal and i have seen instances like
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  that um but usually like you said there are people
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  who witness it at the same time. Exactly. I was
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  going to say like, so in a second here, I think
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  we should define a term that explains 99 % of
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  orbs. There's like two main things that explain
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  orbs, backscattering and lens flares. I think
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  everyone kind of knows at this point what a lens
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  flare is. It's common with people with their
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  phones. you know the sun is brighter than everything
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  else so it makes this little like teal light
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  in the corner that kind of as you pan around
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  it kind of follows the sun people still when
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  they're out on hikes and stuff posting these
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  paranormal groups that oh look at this photo
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  or this video i took there's this green ufo it's
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  like that's a lens flare from the sun that explains
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  a lot of them but this other term backscattering
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  i think we we should go into because it's um
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  unfortunately not not commonly uh known in the
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  paranormal field but um it will make more sense
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  after that why it's so significant if it does
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  illuminate the environment um because that that
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  involves that's not just seeing through the camera
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  lens if that's the case that's that's seen uh
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  in the environment and in multiple cameras security
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  cameras would capture that your eyes the lens
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  of your eyes would see that as i assume so if
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  it does interact with the greater environment
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  and has other witnesses beyond your singular
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  camera lens, then there's, yeah, that's something
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  paranormal. Yeah, 100 % agree. I'm going to share
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  my screen here. The term in question, and for
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  the people listening to this, I am sharing my
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  screen of this original presentation. So if you
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  watch this on YouTube, the YouTube version, you
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  can see these slides. But backscattering, This
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  is what explains 99 .999999 % of orbs. And I
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  have a quote here from a book that was published
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  in 1997. So this book was published for context
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  before any of us were born. And this is just
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  like one of the first digitized textbooks I could
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  find. There's even before this several explanations
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  and definitions out there. But backscattering
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  is very common in photography. Anyone that studies
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  photography, picks up a camera to shoot photos,
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  even videos, has to learn about backscattering.
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  Backscattering, to quote this book, The Basic
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  Book of Photography, is, quote, an additional
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  problem called backscatter occurs when flashlights
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  striking these suspended particles, talking here
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  about particles in the air and what happens when
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  the camera light that you have mounted on your
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  camera reflects and bounces off these particles
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  in there um when it bounces back uh to the camera
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  lens and records on the film as fuzzy white spots
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  of course backscatter can also be reduced so
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  now talking about how to reduce backscattering
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  by getting the camera as close to your subjects
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  as possible because the shorter that distance
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  the fewer the number of floating particles in
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  front of the lens so to summarize what they're
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  trying to say there You have a light on your
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  camera that's close to the lens. You have particles
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  in the air, dust, moisture in the air, any particle,
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  even a bug that is also close to the lens. So
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  when you have a light close to the lens, a particle
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  or a bug close to the lens, it's going to bounce
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  off of that. And because it's super close to
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  the lens, it's going to be illuminated and out
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  of focus, causing a fuzzy white circle. an orb
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  and to continue here on the next slide i also
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  have a couple examples of like real world uh
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  you know examples of uh where backscattering
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  occurs to kind of illuminate the the topic so
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  to speak no pun intended um so in this crime
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  scene photography textbook yes crime scene photographers
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  can't do their job without learning about backscattering
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  but you can hand somebody a tv show and a camera
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  and they are allowed to go around claiming they're
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  catching ghosts on camera without having to learn
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  this stuff it's wild to me um they have a good
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  example here in this crime scene photography
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  handbook uh saying that backscattering is essentially
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  the same topic as when you're driving through
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  fog they tell you not to turn your headlights
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  on because the headlights will bounce against
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  the fog and blind you right we've all had that
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  happen it's the same concept except you're not
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  driving in a car with headlights bouncing off
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  fog you're filming or taking a photo and the
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  light is bouncing off the particles in the air
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  it's also the same situation as here fujifilm
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  which is a renowned camera company they make
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  a lot of camera and photography equipment they've
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  won tons of prestigious awards since 1934 they've
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  been around so they definitely know what they're
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  doing they compare it to When you're in a movie
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  theater and you see in the projector, you know,
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  the projection, there's all the dust particles
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  flying. So we've all seen this before. We see
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  backscattering happening around us in the real
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  world. Drive through fog. Shine on those headlights.
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  The light will reflect off particles in the air.
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  Go to a movie theater. See a movie. The projector
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  above you is the light is bouncing off those
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  particles in there. So why is it that? Now you
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  have a spooky backdrop and the same thing occurs
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  in a photo and now it's that Uncle Bob. What's
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  the disconnect there? And it's not just Fujifilm.
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  I even went as far as every single major camera
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  brand has had to put information on their website.
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  This is not a joke. Every single major camera
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  brand has put information on their website about
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  backscattering because of the influx of people
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  reaching out. to the camera brands telling them
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  that their cameras are catching ghosts. So Sony,
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  I have a slide here about Sony. Sony has a number
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  of graphics on their website. There's also a
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  number of tips, right? So since this is a known
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  phenomenon, since before any of us were born,
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  in every single basic Photography 101 handbook
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  since before we were born. That's also another
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  thing, guys. A camera is a tool, right? People
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  go out and they want to go on an investigation
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  and they get their EMF meters and they get their
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  spirit boxes and then they film it. And they're
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  saying they're catching ghosts on their cameras.
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  So that would make their cameras a piece of equipment,
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  a tool that they're using to find ghosts, right?
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  So shouldn't you know how to use that tool? Wouldn't
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  it make sense for people using a camera? To find
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  evidence of ghosts to at least own a basic photography
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  handbook or textbook. There's all these free
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  resources online too. And that people are just
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  ignoring and refusing to spend just a few minutes
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  learning how to use a camera. Which if you don't
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  want to learn how to use the camera, that's fine.
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  Just don't go around claiming you're catching
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  ghosts every two seconds on said camera. But
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  there are ways to minimize backscattering. Of
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  course, you can avoid using flash because if
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  you take out one of the pieces of the equation,
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  the light, there's always going to be particles
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  in the air. But if you don't use a camera light
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  or a flash, that will greatly minimize the chances
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  of catching those particles. You know what I'm
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  wondering is that, and just let me know, maybe
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  you'll cover this later in the presentation.
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  I don't know. I've never seen this before. When
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  was it in the paranormal field and community
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  where people started claiming that these dust
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  backscattering things were ghosts or evidence
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  of the paranormal? Once digital cameras were
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  invented and then became mainstream, people didn't
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  entirely know how to use the technology. Or what,
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  you know, some of the weird quirks were weird
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  at the time, you know, because they just simply
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  didn't have, it wasn't mainstream knowledge.
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  What these things like backscattering was, digital
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  photography was new at the time. So a lot of
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  these people that, you know, are older in the
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  paranormal field, they grew up in a time where
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  digital photography wasn't a thing, wasn't a
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  common thing. this stuff wasn't known and instead
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  of learning that these you know back then in
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  the early days of digital photography if you
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  said something was an orb you can't fault someone
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  for that you know it's new technology you're
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  experimenting but but at this point if you're
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  holding on to that and saying well back in blah
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  blah blah 50 years ago i caught this thing it's
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  you people aren't evolving with technology and
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  willing to learn the technology that they're
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  using and it's just kind of mind -blowing to
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  me it's like there's explanations for this there
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  is and that's the thing it's they don't want
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  to they don't want to acknowledge it i just don't
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  understand that yeah so that's just why i'm like
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  when did this even happen yeah another thing
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  too is um One of the points I've just made was
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  avoid using flash and you'll minimize orbs. Something
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  people say all the time. Because, you know, there's
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  people in these Facebook groups who are like,
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  they have their night vision camera or their
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  ring camera. You know, all these people have
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  their ring cameras or nest cameras or blink cameras
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  or security cameras that will detect motion.
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  And 99 % of the time, it's a spider web in front
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  of the... lens or it's a bug crawling by it same
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  concept if you have a piece of hair dangling
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  or spider web dangling or a rope dangling you
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  know a thin piece of a rope or any anything small
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  in front of the lens it's going to get blown
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  out by the light out of focus same concept and
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  look kind of weird um but people will say like
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  oh but i wasn't using flash there's no lights
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  this is night vision but they don't realize that
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  there is an infrared camera so there's a infrared
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  light inside the camera that's still doing the
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  same thing and they you know if you're using
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  some of those cameras don't even have a control
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  for how bright the infrared light illuminates
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  the scene so you could have severe back scattering
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  because you have something essentially an auto
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  mode controlling the the um how strong and powerful
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  the infrared internal light is on these devices.
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  So people don't even realize that there is a
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  light in these cameras. That's actually something
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  I wanted to bring up was the IR lights because
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  it is essentially a light that's on all the time
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  and even though you can't see it. your camera
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  sees it and that's literally how the ir lights
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  work and ir is common in the paranormal i mean
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  there's no getting around that so you can if
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  you're using infrared use an external light so
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  it's not right in the camera you know so it won't
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  illuminate all those particles right in front
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  of the lens yeah that's a good tip anyways yeah
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  you can also just going down this list here just
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  we can get off these stupid slides i don't like
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  feeling like we're back in school again but um
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  You can use a tripod because, you know, the camera
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  shake, camera movement that can make back scattering
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  worse. And an obvious one, but people don't realize
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  this a lot of the time. Try shooting in a less
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  dusty area. If the number one report in a haunted
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  location is dusty old attic, people see orbs.
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  Maybe don't try catching orbs. in that dusty
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  old attic why are there so many orbs yeah they're
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  probably not it can't be because of the dusty
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  attic no way absolutely not guys you say it with
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  sarcasm but i'm telling you uh yeah i know this
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  is no it's it's sad it's sad that don't people
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  just don't and then my favorite part of this
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  my favorite part of this presentation is and
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  if you're not in this uh um on the youtube version
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  you're gonna have to hop on or we'll post this
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  in social media um this slide in particular but
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  um if you're just listening i have on my screen
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  a macro image like an extreme close -up underwater
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  so this is taken deep at the bottom of the ocean
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  an underwater extreme close -up of a shrimp and
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  you can see in the background of this extreme
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  close -up it's the same phenomena people are
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  saying are dead victorian women ghosts there's
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  back scattering happening behind the shrimp ghost
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  orbs so could it be that there are hundreds of
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  one inch tall ghosts hitchhiking on shrimp at
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  the bottom of the california coast i think that's
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  entirely plausible by their logic there must
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  be all these tiny tiny ghosts I mean, it's 100
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  % from an old ship that sunk in the middle of
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  the sea. Yeah, absolutely. And those are the
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  souls of the dead people that were on the ship.
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  Angela, you know the saddest thing you're about
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  to hear in your whole life? When I posted this
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  initially, someone said, well, it's entirely
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  possible. How many shipwrecks occurred? Oh, no!
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  No! People believe. People are so stuck in their
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  mindset that orbs have to be ghosts. So when
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  you show them a picture of a shrimp at the bottom
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  of the ocean. I feel so bad for that shrimp.
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  There's so many. Souls and dead people around
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  him at the bottom of the sea. I feel so bad for
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  it. He's so haunted. Oh my gosh. We're looking
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  at a shrimp at the bottom of the ocean and people
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  think there's ghosts riding him around. Oh my
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  god. What is happening? Is this what paranormal
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  investigation is like? Because if it is, I don't
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  want any part of it. So, um, anyways, that's
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  my, that's, that's what back. So does, does backscattering
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  make sense to you guys? Yes. Yes. Yeah. It reminds
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  me. Is it real or is it just an opinion? No,
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  it's real. You post anything about backscattering.
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  I'm telling you post anything about backscattering
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  in these Facebook groups and the number one comment
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  are going to get back. Well, that's just your
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  opinion. Or another comment is, if you don't
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  believe in ghosts, why are you even here? That's
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  something we need to reiterate. None of this
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  means ghosts aren't real. You will know ghosts
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  are real. You will know ghosts are real if you
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  stop claiming every dust particle is a ghost
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  and actually look for real ghosts. Oh, you got
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  to, like, there are facts. And I feel like for
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  the paranormal, there's a lot. You can't just
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  go off your gut instincts and religion and what
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  you believe in. It's a lot of science and facts,
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  too, that goes into this. And it's like the people
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  who don't want to acknowledge this backscattering
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  and dust particles that you're capturing in the
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  camera and stuff, they're not looking at the
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  facts. They're not looking at the science end
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  of it. And they're not true paranormal investigators.
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  it's as simple as that they're they're like narrow
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  -minded people and they don't want to like look
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  at the facts of things they just want to like
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  feel like no that can't be the case i mean i
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  had this feeling when we caught this got this
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  on camera like we caught at the same time i started
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  getting the sick sick feeling my stomach i'm
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  like yeah get rid of you You've thought about
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  that. Go ahead. This conversation made me remember
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  when I was younger and watching ghost hunting
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  TV shows. I don't even remember which one it
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  was. I remember they had caught all these little
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  orbs on camera, right? And I thought it was really
• 24:39
  awesome at the time because they usually went
• 24:41
  and tried to debunk these things. And they literally
• 24:45
  found that there was a loose tile in that room
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  and insulation was falling down. So they took
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  like a little scoop of insulation, like patted
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  it in front of the camera and like made all these
• 24:56
  particles come off. And it looked exactly the
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  same. So they're like, yeah, this is debunked.
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  But it was so interesting seeing their process
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  of like, this is what caused this. It's not.
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  actually orbs. It's just backscatter from these
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  insulation pieces. And it was super interesting.
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  And if people would actually try to debunk the
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  orbs in the moment when they catch them, they
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  probably would debunk them. Yeah. This frustrates
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  me so badly. For me, even beyond debunking in
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  the moment, I think this talks to a bigger issue
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  of the number one problem in the paranormal community
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  right now is the spirit of evolution. The spirit
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  of investigating is gone. People don't hypothesize
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  anymore. People don't know. Why are you bringing
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  your EMF meter? What are you trying to document
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  with it? What are you even measuring with it?
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  What are you trying to prove with it? Nothing
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  you're catching on an EMF meter, for example,
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  is proving a ghost is there. It's not proving
• 26:04
  a ghost. It's going to prove your hypothesis
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  around the phenomena at large. Like if you hypothesize
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  that the phenomena you're chasing after emits
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  anomalous EMF readings. Sure. Go try to prove
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  that hypothesis with an EMF meter. That's what
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  people are doing. You have all these people out
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  there that they watch the Sam and Colby video.
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  They see that Sam and Colby use something. They
• 26:27
  go buy this hundred plus dollar. piece of crap
• 26:30
  off the internet when they can go to Home Depot
• 26:32
  and get the same thing for 10 bucks. And they
• 26:33
  go around and they see there's blinking lights,
• 26:35
  every blink is a ghost. And they don't even know
• 26:37
  what they're documenting. They don't know what
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  greater purpose it serves, what they're actually
• 26:43
  proving with it. They aren't investigating anything.
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  Because they're not coming to any conclusions
• 26:48
  if they go into conclusion that if this blinks,
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  it's a ghost and there's no other explanation.
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  There's no spirit of hypothesis. There's no evolution.
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  They're unwilling to learn because, God forbid,
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  the person on the TV show they watched 20 years
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  ago didn't know something. And they've thought
• 27:06
  it for the past decade, two decades, been taking
• 27:08
  these ghost photos of these orbs or these lens
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  flares or whatever. And since they've been doing
• 27:13
  it for 20 years, they can't learn otherwise and
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  correct their mistake. If you thought you captured
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  an orb 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ago,
• 27:22
  if you thought you captured an orb, then you
• 27:25
  came out decades after and was like, hey guys,
• 27:27
  I learned otherwise. I was wrong. Good for you.
• 27:30
  Good for you. That's called learning. There's
• 27:32
  no learning anymore. People aren't learning.
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  This is what I think. This is what I think. Come
• 27:42
  back. Talk back. There you are. I'm back. What
• 27:53
  I think personally is that I feel like right
• 27:56
  now in the paranormal community, paranormal and
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  all of this with Sam and Kobe and these well
• 28:04
  -known people that a lot of people watch, it's
• 28:08
  just a very trendy thing and this and that's
• 28:12
  not going to be here forever and it's just like
• 28:17
  there's going to be people out here out there
• 28:19
  especially right now who are not going to look
• 28:23
  at the evidence or try to debunk anything debunk
• 28:26
  stuff for nothing because it's just trendy and
• 28:29
  they're doing it for fun you know what i mean
• 28:31
  yeah i mean yes this we do this for fun because
• 28:34
  it it is fun it's interesting and fun it's but
• 28:37
  like it's also fun to try to debunk something
• 28:41
  that yeah is paranormal and be and actually relate
• 28:45
  sciences and um you know common sense to these
• 28:51
  spooky things to make them not so spooky and
• 28:54
  i think that's a very important part to paranormal
• 28:58
  investigating and a lot of people overlook that
• 29:02
  part of it And it's just frustrating to me. And
• 29:05
  that's why I'm saying, like, I feel like people
• 29:07
  who don't look at the facts and the science and
• 29:12
  the, like, trying to debunk things constantly,
• 29:16
  those people are going to dwindle out. Because
• 29:19
  they're all here just for the trend, pretty much,
• 29:23
  I think. Like, they're not going to be here forever.
• 29:27
  As for us, I believe we're going to be doing
• 29:30
  this until we're old. somehow still be into it
• 29:33
  somehow until we're old those people are going
• 29:35
  to be like i don't know maybe in two years from
• 29:38
  now they're not going to be interested in the
• 29:40
  paranormal because it's like they don't care
• 29:42
  about trying to figure out the truth and the
• 29:45
  facts behind and trying to figure out why this
• 29:48
  stuff happens they're just there for getting
• 29:51
  a good scare or having fun with their nights
• 29:54
  at a so say scary scary place you know So that
• 29:59
  was our Orbs deep dive. Thank you everyone for
• 30:01
  tuning in to this Monday bonus episode of Paranormal
• 30:04
  Lens. We'll be back Thursday for a spoiler alert,
• 30:08
  very lighthearted look at curses. That's Thursday's
• 30:12
  topic, curses. See you then.