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From Communism to Consciousness | Everything’s Energy Ep-19 · EEShow (Everything's Energy Show)

• 0:00
  Zoltan: The human mind is intelligent enough to realize that I cannot understand this. So I'm gonna just leave it alone. I'm just gonna step back, and I'm just experience this life. So how do we deal with this? I look at the container that we are in.
• 0:12
  What are the rules here? What I can and cannot do? What are the physical edges of possibilities? And I'm gonna play the game. I'm in a game, then let's play the game.
• 0:23
  Roland: Welcome back to the Everything's Energy Show. I'm your host, Roland. And today today, I have a special treat for you. Now more than ever, people are searching for meaning. The whole concept of men's search for meaning is a defining characteristic in many people's lives.
• 0:36
  And I think now more than ever, people are being challenged by that because there's so much impressing upon us in terms of defining our lives both outside of us that reflects inside of us. My guest today, which people normally wanna talk to him about music, we're not gonna talk about music today because I've never met someone who has a more thoughtful and well rounded perspective in terms of not only how to define a life of meaning, but also how to put them into bite sized chunks of understanding how he came to this formulated theory. So today, I welcome Zoltan Bathroy. Mister Zoltan, pleasure pleasure to have you.
• 1:08
  Zoltan: Happy to be here.
• 1:09
  Roland: How are you?
• 1:10
  Zoltan: Pretty good. Pretty good.
• 1:12
  Roland: So we have a lot to dive into today, and I I want to do the due diligence of being able to introduce these things in in a way that's digestible for everyone. But I think the most important thing, when you make a statement about someone's abilities, the story of what got them there, what shone what shone light on perspectives for them always happens in experience. And you have a use you very unique experience because you didn't grow up in the land of the free and opportunity. You grew up in the opposite of that, and you've created things that most people would never be able to do given all the opportunity in the world. So tell us a little bit about yourself,
• 1:44
  Zoltan: your backstory. Well, the backstory is that I was born in a beautiful communist country that, you know, that had a different idea of existence and how everything should operate. And so, you know, growing up, there was the the stories are are true. So so this was really an oppressive, you know, society. You were controlled what you think.
• 2:07
  You were educated twenty four seven about communism, how it came about, what it is, and where it should go. So your behavioral patterns were, like, from the early age is basically controlled and shaped by this ideology. Right? And and, unfortunately, by the time I was born into it, it was, you know, hardcore going full steam ahead, and and the most effect was on my parents and and my grandparents that who were deadly scared of somebody having a different opinion because the the black car showing up and you disappearing was an actual reality. So so I grew up in an environment and was was kind of a a rebel right away.
• 2:48
  I for whatever reason, I had this different perspective. I sort of just awoke in this world, and I looked around. What the hell is going on here? Right? And I always read between the lines.
• 3:01
  Some people see the trees. Some people see the shadows. You know? And I always kind of saw the shadows. I was you know, I don't have to know how big of the rock was that you threw into the pond.
• 3:11
  I can see the waves, and I can kind of calculate that. So that was a just a different way of look at things. And and, you know, just to give you an example, I remember this very particular moment where the American transportation industry, I think, was on strike. And now we have one TV channel. Mind you, starts at noon, stops at midnight, and there's no TV on Monday.
• 3:35
  So so that's that's it's real. Right? And and it's, you know, it's full on just communist propaganda pretty much, some educational stuff also, you know, kind of all communist and and and carries that ideology. And this time, they were gloating about how, you know, the bourgeois is finally coming down. America will collapse.
• 3:56
  And, you know, that was the the whole, you know, the whole thing. And people were out on the streets striking, and and these guys were gloating about this. Right? Right? And and and I remember looking at this, and I looked at my dad.
• 4:09
  I'm like, hey. In America, you can go out on the streets with a sign and complain and disagree, and nobody picks you up. You don't go to jail. Nobody shoots you. This is man, I gotta get out of here.
• 4:22
  So from that moment on, I pretty much engineered my my escape. Like, everything I did was about getting the hell out of here.
• 4:30
  Roland: And when you were doing so, was it always in the plan of you were gonna educate yourself and become a well versed professional? Because you're a musician as people know you, but you're really a polymath, and a polymath is defined as a lover of learning. Was this perspective formed from your education, or was it something that you saw through as you were being trained in your disciplines?
• 4:51
  Zoltan: So in inadvertently, they kind of helped me with with their system because there was this idea that you should do things that you're the best at, which is not a bad idea, actually. Right? If it's implemented for the right reasons. And so they would come to their kindergartens and and early school early school programs. Right?
• 5:13
  And they would put you through your kind of test. And I'm talking about government officials. Like, it's important to understand that education belongs to the government. Police belongs to the gov everything is government. There is no really private sector.
• 5:26
  So when I say they, it means the the system. So they would come to early education systems like kindergarten or or preschool, and and then they would put you through all kind of tests. And then they would select the kids like, okay. You're good at, let's say, athleticism. You're gonna go to a school that is specified.
• 5:45
  We're gonna breed you into athletes. You're good at whatever it is, and they will put you in various schools. And it picked me for math and sciences. So I went to school to have two, three math classes a day. Right?
• 5:57
  And it was just handed into us. But I liked it. You know, I I I had this scientific mind. I wanted to be a scientist, and I was interested in particle science. And pretty much everything came from, like, what's going on?
• 6:09
  Why are we here? Mhmm. What is this experience? I I had a an early question on that. And and, you know, some actually, I don't really talk about this much until recently.
• 6:19
  We had this conversation because I didn't realize that this is not a common thing, that I don't really have memories before I was maybe seven at all. Just a couple of Polaroid style, just a a freeze frame. I have a couple of things, but not really. And I I my consciousness was sort of as if I just woke up. I I was about seven and looking around like, what's going on here?
• 6:41
  What what am I who who are these people?
• 6:43
  Roland: Did it feel very unfamiliar to you?
• 6:45
  Zoltan: Yes. Like everyone was. Yes. Even my parents, everyone was that who who are these people and what am I doing here? And I I I had almost like felt like I'm an adult in a in a kid's body Mhmm.
• 6:55
  Not understanding, like, how did I just wake up here? What the hell is going on? And I need to search for answers. So that's that's immediately. And, you know, again, this is a recent discovery of mine that this is actually a common not a common thing, but it it's not an uncommon thing.
• 7:10
  Yeah. It happens to people. And and I didn't quite understand it up until encountered that it happened to other people this way. But I just had this I need to know. I need to know.
• 7:22
  So I had I was this scientific, you know, orientation. So I and I also because I'm immediately at sort of my almost an adult mindset, I didn't care about child stories. I didn't care about small talk. I didn't care about what everybody was doing in school. I was sort of a an outsider in that way.
• 7:42
  Yet, I understood that I am an outsider. So I kept my mind shut. I would just go to various after school programs because I understood that I need to be faster, smarter, stronger than anyone around me to get the hell out of here. And so I was, you know, seven, eight years old plotting my escape. And I'm like, okay.
• 8:02
  I I saw into judo. I was, you know, hardcore into judo martial arts. And I was doing that. I was going to an observatorium, and I was every every week, I would be there. On the summers, I would take off with the scientists, and we would camp out on a, you know, on a top of a hill with telescopes and whatnot.
• 8:21
  And then I was part of every scientific circle I could be. So I booked myself up as much as I possible. In the same time. You know, I had this strange thoughts like, okay. Most people who are, you know, considered intellectuals when you're a kid.
• 8:35
  Right? You're gonna be you're gonna be the guy that's gonna get beat up. You're gonna be the guy, you know, like we The nerd.
• 8:41
  Roland: The target. Because you guys call
• 8:43
  Zoltan: him the nerd, the dorks, like, what nerds and geeks
• 8:45
  Roland: about Dweebs.
• 8:46
  Zoltan: Yeah. Whatever term. You know, terms you right. But I was smart enough that, okay. Scientifically, I'm excelling in school.
• 8:53
  I was, you know, top of my class. So, I'm like, I am almost destined to that, but I was doing judo, so I'm not the guy.
• 9:00
  Roland: You're probably calculating how to beat people. Yeah. Exactly.
• 9:02
  Zoltan: I'm like, okay. I'm not I'm not gonna be the guy. I've never been bullied because it's it's it's a bad day for you. You know? So so that I I sort of I was in a path of formulating a personality consciously.
• 9:15
  Right? And, you know, one of the aspect was this awakening of, like, woah. Where am I? You know? That's definitely.
• 9:24
  The other one that the system sort of put me on the path. Right? Another thing was that education completely excluded religion. So I wasn't which is also a later discovery in in my my life where talking to people about faith, religion, and and realizing that, oh, wow. I I don't have the the baseline.
• 9:46
  Because you grow up you grow up in, let's say, Judeo Christian environment, which is generally the best. Right? Even if you're not religious, those building blocks are built in.
• 9:56
  Roland: They're built into society.
• 9:57
  Zoltan: So you're gonna have this, you know, this this this this moral question of, oh, I'm going to hell if I do this. I'm going to heaven if I do that. So there there are all these things where even if you're not, you know, if not part of the the religious groups, you're still affected by that. You your thinking patterns are still sort of, you know, including that that that sort of baseline, but the base idea. And also in later in life, I figured that, oh, I don't have this because we didn't have any of this.
• 10:26
  Roland: We didn't have an orthodox influence. Nothing.
• 10:29
  Zoltan: Like, for us, you know, in in those communist countries, you know, they didn't want God to be above Yeah. They didn't want people becoming empowered by
• 10:37
  Roland: faith. Yeah.
• 10:37
  Zoltan: Perfect. Perfect. Precisely. And that was their kind of the idea. Mhmm.
• 10:43
  And so so churches were sort of relics of the old times. Mhmm. Like, my grandma would go there, and it would be weird kind of like, what is she doing there? Why is you know, it was was not part of the the education at all of you know. So they didn't completely eradicate that, so they didn't destroy the churches, but it was just not part of our upbringing whatsoever.
• 11:05
  So so it's kind of you know, I I don't I don't wanna claim any, you know, special, you know, special thing, but I would say my environment sort of aligned me to to become an adult really quickly. Mhmm. Understand that what's going on and how to get out of here. And the circumstances didn't build in certain element that's later on could interfere. So so I feel like coming to America, I was like, man, I'm I'm I'm ready.
• 11:33
  Roland: You know what I mean? You eventually got here, of course. And and then the thing I find so interesting, and this sometimes happens with people where they have a very, we'll call it a left brain to put into a category, mental way of relating with their reality. You went spirituality, meditation, cultivation of inner practices, transcendental stuff. So that was the next piece.
• 11:56
  Right?
• 11:56
  Zoltan: Right. One of the things, as I said, that I start to realize that that I'm sort of an outsider. And, again, lately, I started realizing that also that I'm not completely alone with this, but it's not a common thing, but not completely uncommon. But so but I do I I understood that that there's something's off. Something's weird.
• 12:20
  Something I am an outsider. I don't understand how I'm I'm here. And I'm I you know, you compare yourself to the environment. Right? That's we are very adoptable.
• 12:31
  Humans are are the the apex species on the planet because of our adaptability. So I can always level up really quickly. All of all of us. That's the point that or evolution is or evolutionary ability that is is this adaptability that we can evolve really quickly. We can level up to whatever is going around.
• 12:51
  And I was seeking the an environment of adults. So that's why I would go to this, you know, either martial arts or I would go to scientific circles where there were the professors and the adults. And I find myself most of my friends were adults. Like, I didn't I couldn't really co not coexist, but I I couldn't really commingle. I couldn't really fit in that.
• 13:16
  Roland: Relate to kids.
• 13:17
  Zoltan: People your age. Yeah. I did. You know? I didn't.
• 13:21
  And so so there was that quest and the search, and and also which you know, I don't know if it's you can call it lucky, but I had a a little accident where, you know, I I banged my head against a a truck that was moving really fast. And after a while, it wasn't moving, and I was right behind it. It's called the air brakes. It's much better than a brakes on it.
• 13:44
  Roland: Was there a Zoltan shaped dent in the back
• 13:46
  Zoltan: of the truck? Much better. The the air brakes are are much better than a brakes on aero bicycle apparently. So, you know, I was I was biking behind this truck and, you know, and it stopped. And I heard this explosion.
• 13:58
  And and my experience was that well, we were kids in a an environment and where you can buy explosives from the Russian army for a bottle of vodka that you steal from your parents', you know, liquor cabinet. I don't know who did that.
• 14:12
  Roland: No one that you know.
• 14:13
  Zoltan: Nobody did No I know did that. Right? Yeah.
• 14:15
  Roland: So Crazy things.
• 14:16
  Zoltan: We could get pretty much anything. You know? And because the Russian army was still there and and, you know, they would trade, you know, stuff for it. And so, anyway and so it's it's possibility that some of us could get explosives and do crazy stuff as with it when we were kids. I'm just saying it's possible.
• 14:32
  Possible.
• 14:33
  Roland: There's no black car
• 14:33
  Zoltan: outside here. I I don't I don't know who did those things, but but yeah. And the chicken farm that's gone, I I don't know anything about it. So so so, anyway, so I hear the explosion, and I remember looking around searching for the source of this explosion. And, you know, I assumed that some of my friends got some stuff from the Russians and, you know, and and, you know, they did some, you know, did some goods.
• 15:01
  So I'm looking around, and I couldn't find a source. But I had a a very like, I realized that my perception is weird. I could you know, I'm like, maybe it's behind the bushes, and I could see behind the bushes. I'm like, oh, maybe it's a behind the the house. And I look behind the house.
• 15:20
  But these things were in the distance. And I'm like, woah. Woah. Woah. What's going on?
• 15:24
  So I had a full on out of body experience without knowing what what what that was. I never heard of such thing. So imagine when this is the first thing, and there's no literature of this.
• 15:35
  Roland: And you it took you a minute to realize you were having an out of body experience. Like, you you thought you were just looking around. Exactly. Did you have the the sense of your legs moving, or did you you just you're you're aware
• 15:45
  Zoltan: of this? Ought to be I would be like, oh, maybe it's behind the bushes, and I look behind the bush. But the bush was some, you know, some distance away. And then, oh, maybe it's behind this house, and I looked. And then I start to realize, as I'm doing this, oh, what's going on?
• 16:00
  You know? Like, I did and, you know, I never so I didn't because I never heard of such thing. I'm I was, like, 12 ish, somewhere in there. And any and so many books and literature was never translated to my language. I mean, like, there's 5,000,000 Hungarians in the world.
• 16:16
  So, you know, not everything
• 16:18
  Roland: is Not a big market.
• 16:18
  Zoltan: Right. Yeah. So I never looked back at my body. So that's so I never had that vision of, oh, crap. I'm out of you know?
• 16:26
  I just I just had this weird, like, woah. Woah. Woah. What's going on? And the next thing I know, I sit up, and I'm covered with blood, truck driver and people around me, you know, my bicycle on the ground.
• 16:38
  And and everybody's like, oh my god. Is he alive? Is he? And so I'm getting up and, you know, I cut my head pretty badly. So trenching blood.
• 16:46
  And I was just like, I grabbed my bicycle, and I just took off and just left them there. Everybody was like, oh, shit. I'm bleeding. So I go home and, you know, like, this this this is military family. Like, I will go home.
• 16:57
  It's like blood blood can sprinkle out of my head. My mom would be like, just don't get in on the carpet. Right? And my my dad, get go to the hospital. No no such thing as Yeah.
• 17:05
  I'm not taking you. No. No. Take your bicycle. The it's done not way five miles.
• 17:10
  You know? It's pretty common. Right?
• 17:12
  Roland: All parents take it to
• 17:13
  Zoltan: eastern life. Yeah. Like, it's a whole different environment. How you grew up is like, walk it off. I'm like, yeah.
• 17:18
  But, dad, there's a knife out of my Yeah. Come on. You're so dramatic. Pull it out. Walk it off.
• 17:23
  It's it's a whole different environment. I mean, I I was walking myself to kindergarten when I was four years old. Sometimes the snow was taller than me. Right? And so I had to kind of, like, am I going the right way?
• 17:36
  That's constantly Build a build a tunnel. You don't see see four years old in America. No. No. No.
• 17:40
  This is completely normal.
• 17:41
  Roland: 14 years old
• 17:42
  Zoltan: is when it starts. And then we we we would be joking, like, you know, the school or the kindergarten. It's uphill both ways. You know?
• 17:48
  Roland: That's the old adage. Yeah. Yeah. I'm locked in my dad's pajamas. Yeah.
• 17:51
  Zoltan: It's uphill both ways. And so that was completely normal. That's that's how we we were going. It was pretty rough, but I'm really glad that I did, you know, because it was Sparta.
• 18:01
  Roland: Well, it comes back to what you said. Right? The adaptability that came out of this Mhmm. Way of being has been, I would say, having spoken to you and gotten to know you, both a conscious and a very unconscious or superconscious underpinning of how you look at your reality, which I'll dig into why I said your reality a little bit later. I wanted to ask you quickly about that moment where you had the out of body experience.
• 18:24
  Mhmm. Because I've had something not the same, but my own version. Did reality feel different to you after that day in terms of what you were able to perceive or sense in any way, shape, or form?
• 18:36
  Zoltan: Reality was different, but but maybe not in a way that you you're asking. Mhmm. Reality was different that this was to me first, I didn't understand what happened. Mhmm. But as I said, I was already kind of, you know, in a weird position where where I felt like I'm an adult.
• 18:56
  I can't relate to kids. And what am I doing here? How did I get here? Right? So so I already had that weird thing that this is a bizarre experience.
• 19:07
  Like, what am I doing here? How did I you know? And so when this happened, first and foremost, I never heard of, you know, out of body experience. And and I I I didn't know what happened, but I did know that I can't talk about this. Like, I knew, like, okay.
• 19:23
  People are gonna think I'm crazy. You hit your head too hard, and, you know, I I thought, like, it's gonna be judged. And, again, I'm not exactly in a a spiritual environment. This is hardcore communism. Mhmm.
• 19:33
  As I said, that's why I kind of preface it that even religion on a basic form was sort of eradicated. And so this is not a spiritual environment. You can talk about these kind of things. So both of my secrets, so to speak, were just staying with me. I didn't talk about that.
• 19:46
  I didn't tell my parents. Like, man, I don't know who you guys are. I don't know what I'm doing here. I didn't have this conversation. I had no conversation with you know?
• 19:54
  Or or how the the environment could adopt to various circles. Like, here in school, you know, if you skater kids, you have, you know, various groups. I could transit between those groups easily. Like, I was not an outsider as a, you know, lonely little kid, you know, on my own. I can be I was okay in any every environment.
• 20:14
  I just didn't didn't belong to them.
• 20:16
  Roland: Well, you sound like you were hyper aware of having to know how to go into the environment Correct. To match and mirror the people who related to that way, and you would develop the ability to bounce between as adopted personality state. And I
• 20:28
  Zoltan: knew it. So, yeah, I was conscious that I'm adopting. Yes. Like, okay. I'm here now, and this is the language here.
• 20:32
  I'm here now, and this is the behavior here. So I knew that that I had to interact, and I had to I had to be around these these circles. I just didn't belong to to those. Right? And so I already had this, and I kept kind of kept it, like, just zip it because I felt there's nobody I can talk to this about.
• 20:51
  And so when the when the out of body experience happened, my immediate reaction was, didn't say anything about this, and I went to the library. At the time, you know, the libraries or Google. Right? So, yeah, I went to the library. And and then I started to look for books, and and I find a book that was a a research book for some doctor wrote it who was collecting out of body experiences of various people.
• 21:17
  So there was a book translated to Hungarian. And so I read that. And in this book, you know, like, the again, the hyperlinks of the time were, like, the, you know, like, the Footnotes. Footnotes. Yeah.
• 21:26
  I remember. So I would find, like, the low number, and I would say which book they took it from. And then I would try to find that book. Mhmm. So after this experience, I was just down the road of let's find out what the hell that was.
• 21:40
  And then I realized that there is such thing out of body experience, and then very click quickly, I realized well, realize. I I I read these books, and I from the footnotes, I found a lot of these books refer to Eastern philosophy. Mhmm. So there are a lot of Hinduism, a lot of Buddhist thoughts, a lot of those things were were there, And then I found those books. So within the next two years, I mean, I read an insane amount of books, and I was heavy duty down in that path of meditation, yoga, especially Kriya Yoga.
• 22:14
  I've you know, there were these paths of yoga. And I find every book that was that's translated to my language, would find that, read it, and and I was bearing down that pattern. And it sort of knocked me off of that idea that I am gonna be a particle scientist. Mhmm. That I'm going to go after how that this universe is made and what's happening here, and that was sort of the the quest.
• 22:37
  And that while I was studying math and I was studying those things, I start to see holes in that or or that, you know, in math, period. Just the idea of the, you know, that the system that we use works within a a container, but not quiet. Right? So so I started to find contradictions in in math, and and and physics are I viewed as well, this is just a collection of our current understanding. This is not settled science.
• 23:11
  This is not fact. It is just a collection of what we think is happening. Right? And then there were some some ideas of math, which is, for me, revolve mostly around this the concept of infinity. Mhmm.
• 23:23
  Right? And we talked about this
• 23:26
  Roland: Infinity not actually being an experiential concept you can ever No.
• 23:29
  Zoltan: In in math. Yeah. Right? And and, you know, and how the the universe exists. And we for on the previous conversation, we talked about polygons and and how I believe that there is no circle circle.
• 23:40
  A circle is an emergence of emergent of the lack of your resolution. Right? So I had these ideas then. And so I I had a conflict there even though we were
• 23:52
  Roland: in that direction.
• 23:53
  Zoltan: We were starting that direction, and and this this sort of spiritual path started to take over. And there are some overlaps. Right?
• 24:01
  Roland: As there often is for people.
• 24:03
  Zoltan: Yeah. There are some overlaps, but but I start to find, like, okay. The the reality is something I can experience, not major. Right? And science is something that measures and try to establish rules and establish experience that if it reoccurs, it's all the answer is always the same, then we can say that it's a law.
• 24:23
  But even then, there is still a question mark. You know? Like, we talk about, I don't know, classical physics. There's the speed of light. Right?
• 24:32
  That's the speed limit of the universe. Sure. But it's probably a container, and it's a spin speed limit within the container if it's a simulation, and it's most likely is. Mhmm. Then that's a sim it's a speed limit within the system.
• 24:45
  So then is it really established law, or it is a law within the system? Right? And so those thoughts started, like, really conflict in me. And so I was now on the path of more of the the spiritual development and understanding from that perspective that certain things that I I can't measure, but I can experience.
• 25:05
  Roland: For the average person, that would probably create some sort of a conundrum. Right? Almost an identity crisis because you have all of this time invested into developing this persona.
• 25:14
  Zoltan: Right.
• 25:14
  Roland: And then something comes along and kind of just throws a stick in the spoke of the bicycle wheels and stops the bike in mid rotation.
• 25:21
  Zoltan: Almost literally. Yeah. It was a bicycle involved.
• 25:23
  Roland: Why I used it. Definitely. I was I was waiting to let that one go.
• 25:29
  Zoltan: That's good. You you you you definitely threw that in there. So yeah. Two points. It's bicycle was involved.
• 25:34
  Yes.
• 25:36
  Roland: But what I'm hearing from you is rather than have you do an about face and totally change, shall we say, your relationship with either or, it sounds like it's almost created a resultant hybrid belief or a merge belief. And and you mentioned things in this container. I wanna actually ask you, what is your current theory of reality having studied both of those things, and then years have gone by of integrating them? How do you see reality now for yourself? Because you've said things to me, such as, does reality happen to you, or do you happen to reality, for example?
• 26:10
  So I think we should define your current because it's potentially subject to change.
• 26:14
  Zoltan: Yes.
• 26:15
  Roland: It's basis of reality.
• 26:17
  Zoltan: That's a that's a big one. I mean, you know, like, there are so the we can we can dissect it into a million different pieces of what that means and
• 26:24
  Roland: To, a high level overview.
• 26:25
  Zoltan: Right? That's a high level view that we're definitely not living base reality. Right? So so that that that and that's physically provable already.
• 26:32
  Roland: And you're defining base reality as what exists potentially below what we see in the third dimensional experience that actually creates the experience of me talking to you. Right.
• 26:43
  Zoltan: Right. So yeah. It's and and it's been around this idea for thousands of years. So this this is obviously not new, that we are not living in base reality. We are experiencing something, and and it is most likely to be contained.
• 26:57
  Right? So it's it's it's within within a a container. And then and then, you know, if I approach it from that scientific perspective, I think that's also provable. You know, the double slit experiment actually proved that how we, you know, we our attention, our our perception collapses waves into reality. Mhmm.
• 27:18
  Right? And so and then if you look at quantum entanglement and you say, okay. Well, you know, Einstein called it that spooky action in a distance. Right? Because it's sort of you know, he didn't like quantum entanglement because it was kind of flying in the face of his theories.
• 27:36
  The theory of relativity. And so but it exists. So how could it possibly exist? Right? It's either the speed limit is untrue.
• 27:46
  So the light speed of light is untrue, which in my opinion, the speed of light is actually the speed of a perception. I've heard that from other people too.
• 27:53
  Roland: I think it's brilliant assessment.
• 27:54
  Zoltan: It is. Yeah. But but let's say that's the speed limit within that's the system bus within this universe that we perceive as our three-dimensional universe. But if quantum entinglement exists, that means there has to be a substrate. Right?
• 28:07
  So it's it's a for a lack of a better explanation, it's like when you're playing a video game. Right? And something is happening on the screen, which is a screen is the screen for us that what I'm perceiving, this is a screen. Right? And even that, we could put the low you know, the sub note in a Mhmm.
• 28:23
  Book. Right? That it's projected inside your head. You're the projector. Mhmm.
• 28:29
  Necessary here. You collapsing into reality, but that's all happens here. Right? So, I mean, you know, the the information is basically being digitized in some way, travels in your neural path, and your brain have to reassemble it. So you're an antenna with a, you know, with a decoder.
• 28:48
  Yeah. You're a
• 28:49
  Roland: receiver and a decoder and a projector.
• 28:51
  Zoltan: Mhmm. And then project it in the inside. So, you know, that that could be a a a conversation for another day. But but so. We're talking about.
• 29:02
  Quantum entanglement. How can it happen if the we accept the speed of light as the speed limit. Right? That means that's there has to be a substrate, and I was getting into the video game. Something happens on the screen.
• 29:17
  Let's say there's an explosion. Right? Let's say people in Call of Duty. There's an explosion. Right?
• 29:24
  And couple of things has to happen. Let's say in in what you perceive that the screen changes colors. Right? So even though maybe on the screen, the explosion happened and these particles are flying, you know, the shrapnel is flying through that screen. It's actually not flying through the screen.
• 29:43
  There is a a program that records that and tell that that pixels on your screen to change colors. Mhmm. Right? So if there was a substrate, and I think there is, if there is an underlying program and look, a cache records is kind of, you know, that's an eastern part. The cache records that records everything.
• 30:06
  And then you could look at information signs that information cannot be lost. All these things kind of fit together. Because if there is a program that records everything that happens, and then you start to go down to various religions, various, you know, beliefs, it's almost every one of them has this part somehow that whatever happens is being recorded. Somebody sees it. It's being recorded.
• 30:32
  So, anyway, back to the video game. Now explosion happened. This is the server that updates the screen. Right? So what happens when in, you know, in quantum mechanics, something happens here and then on a really far distance that light couldn't even get there that quick, something else happened.
• 30:51
  It can happen if they correlate to your sub program that is syncing. So these two particles are being synced by a substrate by a program that's underlying. Mhmm. Right? So there's probably a server, in quote server, that is recording every event when the tree falls in the forest.
• 31:13
  Right? Maybe you were not there to see it, and it did not make a sound because you make the sound. The air pressure hits your, you know, your eardrum, and then you make the sound. But there was nobody to see it and hear it. They'd make a sound, but it fell, but it was recorded.
• 31:30
  So when you come across the tree, it's already in the position. Right? And then everything in the universe kind of in motion. So everything has its karmic path. If I roll a ball, it has a it has a mass or speed.
• 31:43
  Right? My free will was involved because I moved it. But now it will play out what it's supposed to play out by the given rules, which is gravity and, you know, and friction and all the rules that we have. Right, will tell me what that ball gonna do and it's can it can be calculated. Like, physically, mathematically can calculate what it's gonna be.
• 32:06
  Right? So right there, again, who who who made these rules? Because the rules are, you know, it's the rules are are are are They're defined. Solid, and
• 32:15
  Roland: they're they're well defined.
• 32:16
  Zoltan: Yes. So who who made the rules? You know? It's like, you know, when you have all these Legos around that, you know, people can say, like, well, it's just matter, and it formed into consciousness. Did it?
• 32:28
  Because, interestingly, everything perfectly fits together. Like, it's almost like I I give you a bunch of Lego blocks. Right? Okay. Nothing is this is just parts.
• 32:38
  You have to build something. Yeah. Well, it still fits together perfectly. Mhmm. Somehow.
• 32:43
  Right? So so there are those things that kind of sort of intuitively even tell you, like, there is a rule set. There is this is this this whole system looks like a design. Mhmm. You know?
• 32:54
  And and even if I don't go into the those explanations or those conclusions, I just look at the the the baseline. Even then, like, how is it I have to come up with an idea how could quantum entanglement work. And if I have to find an answer to that, this would be, you know, all kinds of razor kind of like the most obvious would be done if there's an underlying program. If there is an underlying program, then this is not based reality. And then whatever happens is being recorded.
• 33:24
  Right? So everything that if I roll the ball, it played itself out. That is recorded because was a free will involved? Yes. My free will was involved.
• 33:35
  So I'm gonna stick it in there in in in this one. I mean, I know I look at all over the place when I'm trying to No.
• 33:42
  Roland: No. You're you're you're doing well. And we can always summarize this, so keep going.
• 33:45
  Zoltan: So is there a free will or everything anything is predetermined? I is is the kind of idea that the universe is in motion. So yeah, things are predetermined. But if I threw this bottle at you, you have a choice. You can catch it or it can do its predetermined path and hit you.
• 34:03
  Right? Your free will can interfere. Right? You can fall into the river and be carried and it is what it is or swim. And then now your free will is involved.
• 34:12
  So so I think, yes, we do have a free will. We can interfere with whatever is happening, but if you don't, then whatever is happening will play itself out. And now that what what is happening is so complex, so complicated, it's really absolutely difficult or impossible to follow, but theoretically it could be. Mhmm. Everything will play itself out unless you interfere with by choice with consciousness.
• 34:37
  So that's kind of what I think of that. So, again, back into the the substrate, if you if I try to find a, you know, a a solution that would be the solution, but there this is this is almost like a a a simulation.
• 34:50
  Roland: It's a role playing game.
• 34:51
  Zoltan: Very, very close to you how a a computer system would work. Mhmm. Right? And so everything that happened played itself out with being recorded. So now even though you're collapsing the waveform into reality, what's happening outside of this room doesn't exist for you right now.
• 35:09
  Roland: No. They've even proven that nonlocal reality doesn't exist. The Nobel Prize was given, I believe, two or three years ago for that notion.
• 35:15
  Zoltan: Right. But whatever happened outside of the room when
• 35:19
  Roland: you Still recorded.
• 35:20
  Zoltan: Is still recorded. It has to be. Because how would you be able to collapse reality? Right? Because we have to interact with this place that looks permanent.
• 35:30
  Right? And if I move this knights here, right, this has to be recorded in order that somebody comes in. It's here now. Even if this person didn't have a recollection that it was here before, it was in a different position before, knights in a new position. So whatever happened, whatever moved has to be recorded.
• 35:49
  It has to be a a tracking so the next person who collapsing the wave into reality, not collapsing that form of reality. So we kind of share this
• 35:59
  Roland: Yeah. They pick up from where you left off in a way. Yes. So I'm gonna try to do so. Because as you've been speaking here, it it's very interesting.
• 36:05
  What I I find happens when I talk to you is it kind of makes a non it makes a picture in my head of something that you're explaining that actually not only does it make sense as a really well rounded theory, it almost feels like in real time, I'm seeing the layers that you're talking about and how they kind of congruently all fit together. So you're saying that this is not base reality. Base reality exists. I don't wanna use the word below, but outside of the container of our third dimensional perception. Our third dimensional perception has laws in it that are governed by the container, and then there are other things that are we can't say they're governed, but they're influenced by the base realities rules that we don't know what those are Right.
• 36:47
  At the interface. I e, the practical example of quantum entanglement might be someone having, their brother is in another part of the world, and he has an accent. All of a sudden, they get this, oh my god. I gotta call my brother because something let them know that person needs their
• 37:01
  Zoltan: help. Mhmm.
• 37:01
  Roland: Whereas you're talking with Newtonian physics, if I have a certain amount of distance and I have a ball and I let it go at a certain rate of force, I can calculate where that ball is gonna go. So what you're doing here is you're describing without emotion, without any sort of story behind it, kind of how you see all of this stuff fitting together. And what's really cool is it's really a fusion of your left brained early life
• 37:28
  Zoltan: Mhmm.
• 37:29
  Roland: Your right brained right brained, I'm using, you know, a a descriptive term here, post academia spiritual inner work development. And now you've created this almost video game like thing for yourself where you have Zoltan's drop down menu of, okay. I'm gonna interface with this reality this way. I'm gonna unconsciously apply all these rules to everything I'm doing. So you're basically it's almost like you have gotten so close to the processor that is creating this reality in real time, you know what you're interfacing with.
• 38:00
  Right. I think that's an incredible theory. Have I missed anything there? Do I have a pretty good description?
• 38:04
  Zoltan: It's it's actually actually yeah. Actually, you nailed it. I didn't even, you know, I didn't even go down that path of, like, trying to explain what this is, but, you know, a scientist's mind would be you want proof? You want repeatability? Right?
• 38:17
  So you can establish that these sort of behaviors happen all the time. So is it a rule, at least a rule of the environment? Mhmm. You know? And and you you have to probe everything.
• 38:26
  Right? But as a spiritual practitioner, you you have to be completely open minded and understand that all things are probable possible. Right? Nothing is outside of the Mhmm. The the possibilities.
• 38:38
  And how do you put this together? And it's almost like a spiritually aligned, open minded engineer, I would say, because you have to sort of re you have to you have to reverse reverse engineer.
• 38:52
  Roland: There's a mechanistic undertone for sure.
• 38:54
  Zoltan: If I you I'm gonna approach this world in a spiritual we didn't talk about, you know, we didn't talk about God. We didn't talk about the universal consciousness and all those things. Yeah. I'm just talking about simply how this freaking thing works. Right?
• 39:06
  Like In your mind. In your reality. Yes. So I'm gonna approach it as a as an engineer in some way. Mhmm.
• 39:13
  Right? I put on my engineer hat on and say, okay. Well, I have to I I'm observing this universe engine in motion. It's working. Right?
• 39:25
  It does what it does. And let me find an explanation that doesn't involve 17 freaking dimensions and you know? And I don't have to add various numbers and and variables to the equation to make it whole. Mhmm. So let's you know, again, all comes razor.
• 39:41
  What's the simplest explanation? What it can be? And so now I'm gonna try to dimension I mean, design an engine that would make sense. And then so so if this is my engine, that's simulation theory. If that's the engine, then I and I say it's this universe works pretty much behaves like a computer.
• 39:59
  Mhmm. And then I start to compare computer technology and computer systems and how those environment work to this universe. Is this really co coincide? And he's like, how how computers work? Okay.
• 40:10
  And what is gravity? And all these questions that nobody really knows. And and, you know, I try to force those ideas, then then there's a problem. I have to find an environment when it just fits in. And it's if I look at, let's say, simulation through gravity, how gravity, you know, can fit into simulation theory?
• 40:30
  Well, there is preprocessing with computer systems has a cost processing cost, so to speak. And what I mean by cost, that it takes energy to process something. If you told me, like, okay. Back to the ball. I'm gonna roll this ball.
• 40:48
  And if I told you, like, measure and calculate every atom that this what they what these atoms are doing in the ball, it would be an insane amount of computing power that it would take. When I say track the ball, the cluster, you can track. Yeah. Right? So that's kind of how computers behave.
• 41:08
  So, naturally, data is trying to compress into clusters, almost like gravity, because it's easier to Well, conserving information and conserving energy has to
• 41:18
  Roland: be a law of sorts.
• 41:20
  Zoltan: And then and then you start to go into things like time dilation. Right? Mhmm. What happens? You know, if there's a huge mass out of a sudden, we have this time dilation issue.
• 41:30
  Okay. How do I feed that into the simulation theory? Well, what do computers do when there's a massive amount of data, which a black hole would be? There are so many particles there. Can you track that?
• 41:42
  Computers will slow down. So there is your time dilation. Mhmm. Right? So you if you start to look at this system, it it very much behaves, you know, and then you can kind of compare the rules like, okay.
• 41:56
  Bus speed within the computer is the speed of light. Right? And then all these all these elements, like quantum entanglement is syncing to the the the substrate, the pre base program. Right? Time dilation is how you process data that out of a sudden everything that is up close is expensive to process, everything that's far away, just like in a video game.
• 42:21
  Right? When when things are in a distance, you don't need the details. Mhmm. Right? But if you had to process all the details over there, it would be an insane, you know, computing tax task.
• 42:34
  Right? And so if I put all these things together, it's kind of like start to make sense. It sort of fit in the system. So my opinion is that that we are not in base reality, and it is very much behaving like that this is computed. And then and then from the engineering perspective, you know, there are certain things like like there are certain constants.
• 42:58
  It's like, what are those? Right? Grab it to you, this and that. Right? And, well, it's gonna be as simple as those are constants that had to be that number for the system to work.
• 43:12
  Because if it's engineered, and I think it is, then the system has to work. Like, you're building a a car engine. Right? What is the oil pressure? Well, the oil pressure has to be a specific number.
• 43:21
  Right? Because there's there are various pressures in the chamber. Right? So the oil pressure has to be high enough that it can enter the chamber, but not too high, but it will cause excessive pressure. Correct.
• 43:33
  Roland: Yes.
• 43:33
  Zoltan: Right? So what is the oil pressure? Well, it is this number because it had to be. Mhmm. Right?
• 43:39
  And then and then that's that.
• 43:41
  Roland: You know, I've heard a lot of people say, I assume we're living in simulation, but never have I had it actually explained in in almost like an infallible way. Of course, everything you just said, and you'll say this, could be wrong.
• 43:55
  Zoltan: Right. And you're okay
• 43:56
  Roland: with that.
• 43:56
  Zoltan: Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:56
  Roland: But what I love about what this is is so many people want to manifest the reality. So many people want to have power to influence the outcome of where their life goes. And most people who talk about these things, and there's no insult to anyone, they get the information that's kind of passed down, and maybe they put their flare on it. But very seldomly is there ever the discussion of, well, what is it you're actually playing with? Like, when you're manifesting, how do these laws or these rules potentially influence an outcome?
• 44:32
  Because now I wanna shift gears to the practical aspect. Because a lot of people who go down a route of figuring out what reality is, they may come to a conclusion of, oh, well, there's no joy anymore because it's all mechanistic on one side. Or the other will be like, oh, well, I don't exist, so nihilism's possible. Nothing matters, so who gives a crap?
• 44:50
  Zoltan: Right.
• 44:51
  Roland: How do you find meaning, And how do you find the experience of being able to keep this reality, this perception of reality, and not losing yourself in this reality as other people do when they become at the mercy of emotions or at the mercy of external circumstances that they can't influence and control? How do you play with your reality?
• 45:12
  Zoltan: So actually, very good question. So there is a difference between the unknown and the unknownable. So the human mind can come to you for its conclusions, let's say, the issue of infinity. Right? That you can come to a conclusion that somehow it must exist, but I I this my mind, my human mind, in this state of mind as as we are in this level of evolution is not the adequate tool to deal with this problem.
• 45:47
  Mhmm. An ant will never drive my car. Right? Like
• 45:51
  Roland: Now that's how to dream.
• 45:52
  Zoltan: Or an elephant will not drive my car either. Right? It there's this is it's just not. You know. And so it's a possibility that the human mind is just simply not evolved enough or it's not in in in regular awake state.
• 46:07
  It's not the tool to deal with those things. You you cannot understand the container system that you know? And and, again, back to physics for a second. Right? Like, energy cannot be created, cannot be destroyed.
• 46:20
  Right? Okay. Then if that's the case, then they surprise this is a finite universe, isn't it? It's not pretty freaking easy to come to the conclusion. Then when we talk about, it's expanding and then can it be created or cannot?
• 46:33
  Which one is it? Because if I accept this, that energy cannot be, you know, destroyed or created. Right? It can be only transformed. Then there's a finite energy in the universe.
• 46:45
  Then it's a fairly close job, then that means there is a finite amount of particles. And I'm talking about particles that, yeah, particles can transform. You know, we can go to what is a human to all the way down to biology, and then we can go all the way to, like, okay, molecules down to to atoms down to particles down to all the way to the plank that we right now understand that that are the smallest unit and then but then everything is done. Right? Mhmm.
• 47:14
  So okay. How many of those exist? Because if it can be created, then then what's up? Then there is a number. Right?
• 47:22
  So then so then
• 47:23
  Roland: It's predetermined, and they're always the same.
• 47:25
  Zoltan: Correct.
• 47:26
  Roland: They're just moving in some sort of unison.
• 47:28
  Zoltan: Yeah. And create different structures and whatnot, but, you know, the base unit would be the same. So then, again, that flies right in the face of, like, okay. This is my left, you know, science. Like, I don't get it.
• 47:40
  Right? So so that means there is a finite amount of energy, finite amount. So then it's not infinite. Okay. But then then it's a contained thing.
• 47:48
  Right? Alright. Well, it's contained in what? And whatever it contained in and what what that is contained in. So, I mean, like, a a human mind cannot deal with this idea of it just is.
• 48:01
  I can accept that, but I can't deal with it.
• 48:04
  Roland: You can't do anything with it.
• 48:05
  Zoltan: Absolutely insane. Yeah. If if I keep pushing it. Because I can say, okay. Well, we live in a simulation.
• 48:11
  This is a computer system, and we plugged in and we dream this world or or you dream your individual world. I'm not here. This is your experience. You're dreaming this also are a problem. Mhmm.
• 48:22
  Right? Or I'm dreaming mine and somewhere we interface or interact with or you know? That's probable. You don't know. That's the best answer.
• 48:31
  I don't know. Right? But all this is contained in something. Alright? Let's where is the server room?
• 48:39
  Where is the video arcade that we are sitting in probably and plugged in and play this game and we wake up. I'm like, man, that was some craziest trip. Let's go again. Right? I don't know.
• 48:49
  But where is that? Where is it arcade? And then and what what's that in? See what I mean? Like, it's it's just compounds and compounds.
• 48:56
  Roland: Russian doll
• 48:57
  Zoltan: Yeah. Nodal influence. Forever. Yeah. Right?
• 49:00
  Outward and inward. And so so there's there's there's a conflict. And so that's what I mean. Like, there's unknown and unknowable. And the human mind is intelligent enough to realize that I cannot understand this.
• 49:12
  So I'm gonna just leave it alone. Mhmm. Right? I'm gonna just I'm gonna step back, and I'm gonna just experience this life. So so there's the so how do we deal with this is is really that.
• 49:26
  I look at the container that we are in. What's what are the rules here? Mhmm. What I can and cannot do? What are the physical, you know, edges of possibilities?
• 49:36
  And I'm gonna play the game. I'm in a game, then let's play the game. And so it's I guess it's dot, like accepting dot. Like, while I have the inquisitive mind, I wanna understand. I wanna I wanna understand what's going on.
• 49:48
  I wanna understand the how consciousness works. Is it mind consciousness? Am I borrowing it? You know, we can talk about that too if we have I have some theories. But, you know, I am interested in all that.
• 50:03
  And I was going down the path of, like, well, I'm just gonna live in Tibet in the mountains, and then we're think about it for a lifetime. Or I'm like, oh, that's kind of a you know what? I'm just no. I'm I'm I'm going to New York City right in the middle of the, you know, the chaos, and let's see if we can do it there. Or more like, I felt like, well, I'm here, so let's play the game.
• 50:27
  Right? If if there is a creator, if or and, again, multiple layers, creators and creators and creators. You know? Again, how many levels then? Where where are we in the Russian?
• 50:40
  I don't know. But whoever made this system, if they wanted you to know, then you would know. You don't. There gotta be a reason for that. So either the game is, let's find the reason.
• 50:52
  Let's find what it is, which we're all trying to do or most of us trying to do. Or, well, I guess it's a game. Let's freaking play the game then. Right? And so and then but these two things are not exclusive of each other.
• 51:05
  So I'm while I'm keeping my eye on and searching and discovering and diving into and try to understand the spirituality and that part and perception and and existence, what that is. I'm also like, no. No. I'm gonna play the freaking game. And there are certain you know?
• 51:22
  Yeah. There are certain I can't fly, but, you know, but every other way, my dreams can be limited by me. Only me. Nobody else can. My thoughts, you can control.
• 51:33
  Right? And then and then I also living in this world, I start to see action reaction. You start to play the, you know, the chess game. It's okay. How far I can push this?
• 51:44
  How far I can go? Who's there to stop me? Right? And then so there is another branch of self cultivation of of of looking into myself. Like, let's not limit myself.
• 51:55
  Let's not limit my imagination. In fact, imagination is a muscle. Let's grow that. Like, we actually talked about this before that. You know, people are watching movies.
• 52:04
  You are being given a world. Here's the world. This is what happens. You watch that. Oh, cool.
• 52:08
  If I give you a book, now you have to create that world. You're reading words, and you have to imagine that. You have to create the world. You have to imagine the characters, the environment, and all that. Now you're already working that imagine imaginative muscle.
• 52:21
  And I think that's just super important. That imaginative muscle is super important. Kids have it, and then they're sort of being bred out of or grew out of that. Right? Mhmm.
• 52:30
  I think it's one of the most important aspects of of us that there is something important there. That the more this imagination, this creative muscle you have And, again, read books, man. Just fucking read read books. Because it it's not just that you develop a vocabulary that's not street English or street language, whatever your language is. Right?
• 52:52
  It's not just that. It's forces you to imagine. And that is very important because that's part of that creation process. Right?
• 53:00
  Roland: Mhmm. It also forces you to emote. Yeah. And thought plus feeling plus intention plus action creates perceptual reality. Correct.
• 53:11
  Zoltan: And also creates results.
• 53:12
  Roland: Yes.
• 53:12
  Zoltan: That is the magic formula. Right? And so so, basically, while I think everyone should be digging down and try to find the answer to the ultimate question, what the hell is going on? What are we doing here? Who are we?
• 53:31
  What's happening? Right? Important. But you're in a game. Play the freaking game.
• 53:37
  Roland: Yeah. You need to know how to, like, enter the game.
• 53:40
  Zoltan: And and watch and and just push the freaking limits. Right? I was born in a communist country. Everybody would laugh at me at that. I I'm going to America.
• 53:49
  I'm even a rock star. I'm gonna travel the world. I'm gonna play heavy metal and play stadiums, and that's what I'm gonna do. People were openly laughing to my face. Like, dude, we don't have passports.
• 53:59
  You can't go to another country. There's a minefield and a trigger happy border patrol that wishes that you make your their day and try to cross the border because now they can shoot someone. You know? That that that was reality. Right?
• 54:12
  We had minefields between, you know, the borders and you know? And so people would laugh at me in my face because it was an impossible dream. And to me, it was like, watch me go. Right? And here we are.
• 54:26
  I am playing stadiums. I'm playing arenas all over the world. Right? I'm doing that for the last twenty years. So that was an impossible dream that everybody would laugh at.
• 54:35
  It wasn't impossible to me. Right? And that is the formula. That's the formula that why would I limit my imagination? Why would I limit that?
• 54:48
  Nobody can but me. Mhmm. Right? So so one part spiritual, you know, development. The other part is that have you ever heard Carlos Castaneda?
• 55:01
  Roland: I a little bit.
• 55:02
  Zoltan: Yeah. So they he there's there's this idea of that tonal and an aqua. Okay. Right? And so one of them refers to the physical reality, the other one is a spiritual reality.
• 55:09
  And while the two coexist, it's very important that when you are dealing with spiritual reality, no rules. No rules. Mhmm. Anything is possible. When you're dealing with physical reality, don't bring in the, in quote, nonsense of that spiritual reality because this is very mechanical.
• 55:27
  Mhmm. You are in the game. Play the game by its rules. You understand the rules. Can fly.
• 55:31
  Can do certain things. But explore the edges of your possibilities, your potential. Mhmm. Right? And we have so many problems with with this.
• 55:42
  Right? Because how society taught us. Right? For what what I mean by, you know, when you're trying to achieve something, right, you're the worst enemy. You're absolutely your worst enemy because you're gonna talk yourself out of it.
• 55:58
  And then the next is your friends around you who are not a fan of yours in some way. Everybody wants you to you know, you this are old saying. Everybody wants you to do good, but not better than them. Right? Yeah.
• 56:11
  Exactly.
• 56:11
  Roland: It's you don't wanna highlight the thing
• 56:13
  Zoltan: they meant. The saying, it's around for a long time. It's yeah. Okay. So watch your environment.
• 56:18
  How do you relate? Collect the fans. Get the naysayers out. Right? So the minimal friction comes in between reality and and your imagination.
• 56:26
  Right? And then you have to explore the absolute edge of the possibilities. And and you have to imagine that your potential it's almost like a territory. You don't know how far the wall is. Right?
• 56:42
  You don't know. Did you push the edge of your potential? Did you want it's a territory you're taking over. Did you you know? And then and then look at you what watch your own psychology because they're gonna be the voices of, like, oh, you know, who are you?
• 56:57
  Why you? Why not me? Like, that coin has another side. Why me? Why not me?
• 57:04
  Why the other guy? Why not me? Right? Or, you know, this this this built in sometimes fake, sometimes it's real. I don't know.
• 57:15
  You have to be humble. I'm pretty sure that the highest branch in a tree doesn't give a flying fuck that it's the highest branch on the tree and reaching for the sun. Doesn't care what the other branch is thinking. It's reaching. Why?
• 57:30
  Because that's it's evolutionary duty. Mhmm. The highest blade of grass. Does it care about the lawn or they think? No.
• 57:39
  It is fulfilling its evolutionary duty. Our evolutionary duty for or to yourself and to your species and to life itself. The universe rewards the the most adaptable. The universe resort re rewards the one that has the most willpower to live, the one that strive the hardest. Those are the surviving species.
• 58:02
  Right? And if you bring down that to your own self, like how that works, it's you have to eradicate these these these inside voices and these inside The projections Oh. And limitations. Oppositions and limitations. Yeah.
• 58:17
  So, like, well, I have to be humble. No. No. No. No.
• 58:19
  No. Yeah. You you you don't have to brag that I'm the tallest blade. But it is absolutely your duty to reach as far as possible, to push the evolutionary boundaries to the absolute that you can. Are you doing that?
• 58:35
  Right? Are you doing that? That's what it is. And and and, you know, when I'm talking about the the holy triangle of a of a body, spirit, mind sort of, you know, if I if I take that and accept that, then, okay. At any given moment, you can work on your body.
• 58:50
  If you can't, then work on your mind. If too noisy, you can't, then work on your spirit. One of those you can always work on. It's impossible that all three can be subdued in the same time. Mhmm.
• 59:05
  Or you would be dead. Right? So so one of those you can always so there's always a there's always a motion. There's always an evolution. And so so I so I look at it that way, that that when it comes to playing the game within the container, yes, I do care about the container.
• 59:22
  Yes, I do wanna know. And, yes, I am actually heavy duty into that research and and and picks picks up a a big portion of my life and my, you know, my daily routine even. Right? But I didn't forget. But I'm playing a game.
• 59:38
  This is a chess game. And within the chess game, I'll I'll push. I'll push and I will eradicate the all the oppositions. I have to change things like, that's an obstacle. Forget that word.
• 59:52
  Change it to challenge. Mhmm. Right? Impossible. Forget that word.
• 59:57
  Change it to unlikely. Unlikely is not impossible. Unlikely is not impossible. Right? Obstacle.
• 1:00:04
  No. It's a challenge. Can I climb this fucking thing? And if I climbed it, let's find a bigger mountain, and then let's find a bigger mountain. That is our duty.
• 1:00:14
  And I I think I think you have to pluck all these all these things that society built in. No. No. No. You calm calm down.
• 1:00:22
  Don't stick your head out. I'm I'm sticking my head out. That is my duty as a that's my duty to the species. That's the duty to the game that I might not even understand. Doesn't matter that I don't understand what's the point of this.
• 1:00:37
  Right? I I understand the assignment, and that's the assignment. And that's that's kind of my my base base on it. I'm not I'm not allowing any outside force to limit my imagination. And then so that's the psychology part of this.
• 1:00:54
  And the practical part was this that you have to understand the chess game. You have to understand how this works. I have to make these into practical practices and into practical trajectories that I can, in fact, achieve. You recognize the patterns. There are patterns to everything.
• 1:01:12
  So I could be a pro athlete or a pro musician, a pro whatever.
• 1:01:16
  Roland: I do find it very interesting that the profession that you chose to focus on, because you don't just do one thing with the thing that you're most known for, might be the best manifestation of the condensed experience of all of these things as a creator?
• 1:01:32
  Zoltan: Well, if everything is a a waveform and we know it is, then as a musician, I am playing with the source code. Yes. I'm playing with the source code. I'm making rhythmical harmonies. You know?
• 1:01:43
  And but but here's the thing. It's a pattern. And if I said, like, okay. I want you to be a snowboarder. What's what's that?
• 1:01:50
  What what are the ingredients? Rhythm, timing, harmony. Mhmm. Archeological.
• 1:02:00
  Roland: Rhythm. Timing. Harmony. Music. You know what I'd add to both of those and all of them?
• 1:02:09
  Self belief. Right. Because without the ingenuity of effort and the ability to believe in yourself and actually be brave enough or courageous enough to execute, nothing is possible. Right. And it makes me actually wanna ask you then, how do you relate to the concept of failure in one's pursuit?
• 1:02:27
  Zoltan: Let me think about this one. Because because we're talking about a concept Mhmm. That I erased decades ago. So so it's almost like I I have to You're out of practice. Yeah.
• 1:02:39
  I I have to yeah. I have to I have to actually think about failure. What you know, like, how people perceive failure. Like, what what is your definition of of of failure? I guess I guess
• 1:02:50
  Roland: Well, say in let's say in the pursuit not accomplishing the intent.
• 1:02:52
  Zoltan: Okay. So I guess my definition of failure would be I cannot fail, but I can fail my my evolutionary duty.
• 1:03:03
  Roland: As in you not going for all the way.
• 1:03:06
  Zoltan: As I'm not being the explorer who's going to the the the the territories of when I'm taking over territories to find the edge of my possibilities Mhmm. I failed my evolutionary task by not pushing to the absolute, how far I can go, how big I can build, how many of those songs I can write, how much I can lift, how much whatever it is I'm doing, what are the what is the absolute end of the that evolutionary possibility? If I'm not doing that, I'm not exploring that, then I guess I failed my evolutionary duty. Right? But as far as I'm trying to do something, okay.
• 1:03:49
  Addison failed how many times?
• 1:03:52
  Roland: No idea, but probably a lot.
• 1:03:53
  Zoltan: Right. So or name whoever. Right? That's just that's part of the thing. It's like, can't win every fight.
• 1:03:59
  You know? I'm a martial artist. Right? I I compete. I, you know, I have to get my ass beat a thousand times before I start to understand combat.
• 1:04:06
  I'm like, oh, okay. Well, don't do that anymore. I learned absolutely nothing from a fight I won. I learned a lot from every single one I lost.
• 1:04:15
  Roland: And that's usually the nature. Right? Because even the concept of failure, you could actually bend the wordplay to redirection. You could bend the wordplay to, course alteration. Right.
• 1:04:26
  And the reason I'm asking this is because I wanna get to another kind of, deeper, more practical theme. If we look at where society is nowadays
• 1:04:33
  Zoltan: Mhmm.
• 1:04:34
  Roland: We have people who probably and this is an assumption I'm making. There's more depression than there's ever been. There's more emotional instability. There's more, those who are lacking initiative, those who are lacking drive vision, and we're being pushed to look at things aspirationally, be it watching someone's social media account or going to be in places where they can resonate with watching someone do something they wanna do. Mhmm.
• 1:05:03
  What is that? Why is that?
• 1:05:05
  Zoltan: Yeah. So perfect. I I I I I know the answer to this. So Okay. You know, also an old saying, not mine.
• 1:05:16
  Been around for a long time. If you are the smartest guy in a room, leave the room. This is the wrong room. Right? So you you learn you know, like so so this is absolutely true that your environment will shape you because you level up to your environment.
• 1:05:30
  But, also, you can level down. Mhmm. Right? So it is it is important who and what's around you. And and what changed in society that right now, we're living in the era of the the global village.
• 1:05:42
  Mhmm. And that means that we are connected. I am connected to a guy in Australia and Japan and and all over the world. Right? Because we have this social media feed.
• 1:05:52
  Right? So because because it's fairly new, so society did not adopt to this yet. It's kind of the same thing with the news. Mhmm. When it was printed, if it was printed in newspaper, you printed this, you're responsible, you lied about me, I'm gonna go, hey, We gotta you have a problem here now because you printed this.
• 1:06:14
  You can't delete the page from the Internet. Like, yeah. I lied about you. I'm gonna delete it. Right?
• 1:06:20
  It was printed. You were held responsible. So there was a journalistic. There was a There was a journalistic ingraty. There was a trust.
• 1:06:27
  And then we moved to the Internet era where society did not adjust yet. Getting there, but not yet. So you read stuff online and like, oh my god. And it's complete fabrication. Man, I read interviews I never gave.
• 1:06:42
  I read data about my this that's not even close. But even down to my birthday, like, not gonna argue with some idiot online about my own birthday. Come on, man. So, I mean, it's it's it's ridiculous. But society didn't adjust to what you read is might be not just a little bit not true, but completely not true.
• 1:07:01
  Complete fabrication. Right? So we didn't adopt yet. Kind of getting there. People start learning now.
• 1:07:07
  They clickbait. You know? Now this is the same thing with the environment affecting you. So people don't realize, like, your stream on TikTok, whatever the hell you have, TikTok, Instagram, whatever social media you follow, your stream is your environment now. You're looking at dumb shit.
• 1:07:23
  You're gonna be a a dumbass. It's just what it is. Right? If you you're not exactly fly if, you know, following the most creative people or the if you're a scientist, the more the smartest ones or what whatever it is, follow them all, but you have to be conscious of what your stream is because now that's your environment. Right?
• 1:07:43
  And, you know, like, what comedian said that? And, you know, like, look at just think about how dumb an average person is. Now that means mathematically speaking, half of them dumber than that. That's a terrible, terrible, scary idea. Right?
• 1:07:59
  So that common denominator of what is end up in the stream is gonna be controlled by what is pushed by the algorithms. Right? Well, what pushed by the algorithm is that is the most popular because that's how the algorithm works. Well, if now take the average dumb person, That's gonna be popular. See what I mean?
• 1:08:19
  So what kind of stream you're gonna end up in? Now and that's not your village. That's who you're being you are being educated by. Mhmm. So I think I think that's one of the factors of, like, why so much depression, why there's so much, you know, chaos is going in the world.
• 1:08:36
  Because who you're being educated by. We are even getting to the point now with AI that I don't even know what's true anymore. You know? No. And then it's it's it's getting crazy.
• 1:08:44
  Roland: Hard to live in that reality without always having a stress adaptation response, lying in wait of the next thing to make you fearful or to make you plan for.
• 1:08:53
  Zoltan: I agree. Yeah. That and then and then you got to now compare your life to others, which before this era, that was not this easy or wasn't really possible. And then, of course, most people will lie. You know, they go to the gym.
• 1:09:08
  They do a couple of, ah, blessed, and they go home. They just went to take a selfie in the gym. Right?
• 1:09:14
  Roland: Or They represented Right. An illusion.
• 1:09:17
  Zoltan: So so a lot of these realities that are being presented to you, like, you know, look. And it's human nature. If I'm gonna take 10 pictures, I'm gonna pose the best one, not the one that I look like a Mongoloid or I've I've long you know, I was blinking or my whatever face I was doing. Right? You're gonna take your best angle and if you put that on Internet.
• 1:09:36
  So that will create a completely fictitious environment. And everything get into, like, Photoshop and, you know, how you can manipulate these images.
• 1:09:44
  Roland: Everything's perfect.
• 1:09:44
  Zoltan: So now the the the standards of what the beauty standard is and how you should be living. All these things are being massively skewed into an unrealistic place where that's not even real. Right? And now all a sudden, you look at it and it's like, man, there's this influencer kid. He's 16 years old, and he has, like, seven Lamborghinis.
• 1:10:03
  And, man, I'm just I'm just going to work and trying to figure this out. You know, I'm working, you know, delivering pizza. Right? And then, of course, you're gonna be depressed because a reality was presented to you that maybe not even true. And or previously, you you were not exposed to that.
• 1:10:20
  Right? And what we're lacking is people don't have mentors, spiritual mentors anymore, really. There's not wise men of the village that will explain to you what is going on or, you know, or at least set your mind right. Like, man, you're competing against yourself. Was I better today than I was yesterday?
• 1:10:40
  That's the competition. Right? Like, I look at somebody in the Internet and, man, they have this great life. You'd think so. You think so.
• 1:10:49
  But what if that person have some deadly disease that's just about to pop, you don't know, or a terrible, terrible backstory, or or you don't know what they struggled or how they got there. Right? Well, man, I I could say that. I'm I'm living a pretty good life. Right?
• 1:11:03
  I have stuff. Right? And you don't know what it took. Right? So from an outsider, you can look at it and say, oh, man.
• 1:11:10
  This guy bro, I lived in a communist system for twenty two years. You know? I came up on on impossible, you know, situation. I lived in the ghettos of New York City, didn't speak English, or arrived with $500 of guitar and didn't speak English. I had a Hungarian English dictionary and looked taught myself.
• 1:11:26
  I you don't know that story. You don't know the uphill battle I had to, you know, endure to you know? And and those uphill battles are battles are not even physical. It's like you have to believe that I am climbing this mountain, and I'm gonna make it to the summit. I'm gonna make it.
• 1:11:43
  I'm gonna plant my freaking flag flag, and I'm gonna survive this. Right? That, like, if you have an impossible dream, and you should. You have should you should have a dream that's that's that's big. Don't limit your dream.
• 1:11:57
  But we have an impossible dream. I have enough people around me telling me I'm crazy. Right? So I have to get rid of them and make sure that I'm protecting the idea. I know it's crazy.
• 1:12:06
  Yeah. I made the plan. I imagine this future. I know it's freaking crazy. I don't need you to tell me that it's crazy.
• 1:12:13
  So you have to have that's when you need mentors who tell you like, okay. Sometimes it's family. Get rid of them, dude. They are your worst enemies because they're telling you that something is not possible. They repeating a dogma that it's not possible.
• 1:12:27
  You were not cut out for it. Those people gotta go. Right? And so you have to have this ability to unintend that you focus on something in the future and hold that and hold that vision. And whatever you do, understand.
• 1:12:41
  Like, success is not like this. It's like this. Right? There are gonna be, you know, terrible times, and there are gonna be, you know, great times, and that's just what it is. It's not a straight line.
• 1:12:51
  And with that, a mentor, if you don't have somebody to be there and explain this thing to you and say, it's okay. I've been here. Right? This is why in spiritual practices, you have a guru or you have a a shaman. You have somebody who's like, I I walk this path.
• 1:13:06
  I know exactly where you are. Well, let me tell you what this is. Right? This looks terrible. But, you know, smooth seas won't make great sailors.
• 1:13:16
  You need to be a great sailor. Right? You don't you know, we you win a lottery, you will lose that. If you know how to create wealth because you did it, even if I take it from you, you can recreate it because you you develop a skill to get that. Right?
• 1:13:29
  So somebody has to be there to tell you those things, and I think that's the biggest problem we got, that we have a lack of that. But somebody can guide you through and and make you understand that. Yeah. You deliver deliver pizza right now. But, man, let's dig down to most billionaires today are new money.
• 1:13:48
  Right? Mhmm. It's not like, oh, no. No. No.
• 1:13:50
  You know, the grand grand grandfather was already a banker. No. Actually, no. Jeff Bezos to you name it, started in a garage. So it's not all the money.
• 1:14:00
  It's new money. They created that. So you can create that. Right? You can create that.
• 1:14:08
  It's it's not that idea of like an you know, like, this is no longer a feudalistic system where you just inherit your rank and name and and lend. I don't know. Most billionaires today are self made. So then you can there is a path. You can do it.
• 1:14:27
  And then well, look at the guys who are developing AI. That's the new class of billionaires. Right? So once you establish, well, yeah, you like but the Jeff Bezos is around and Elon Musk is around for decades. Yeah.
• 1:14:40
  But they did it themselves. And then yeah. But it's already established. No. It isn't.
• 1:14:46
  Right? It no. It isn't. Like, this whole thing with AI and all the guys that are coming out of that world now and becoming billionaires and, like, super powerful people are the generation after those guys. And there will be another one and another one and another one.
• 1:15:02
  So, you know, to call it that, this that's that's bullshit. You can do it. Right? And you need to have mentors who can say, no. No.
• 1:15:09
  No. No. Like this kid. Oh, you can't get out of this country? Mhmm.
• 1:15:14
  Like, you're not gonna go and play stadiums. Are you crazy? Well, yeah, I am crazy, and I'm defending the the crazy. And I'm gonna get there. That's that's what's missing.
• 1:15:24
  That there's nobody to explain, like, yeah. You deliver pizza now. I had some shit jobs. Everybody Haven't we? There.
• 1:15:32
  Yeah. So, yeah, that's just for now. You don't actually know the skills that it develops. It doesn't you don't you're actually not aware of what puzzle this is in the whole picture. I think
• 1:15:44
  Roland: those shit jobs develop the one thing that is more useful to all of this, and that's the resilience to want to be better. Right. And to do more. And, you know, a way I could just describe everything you said in the sound bite, and you can add to it if if you would see fit. People have to realize how powerful they are.
• 1:16:04
  Zoltan: Mhmm.
• 1:16:04
  Roland: And if they believe that and they understand it, and then they have their own framework of the game, the container, the understanding of how all these things come together, it's not a question of if it's gonna happen. It's like when and the thing that I've always realized that always seemed so simple to me that I don't know how other people didn't see it. It's like when you wanna do something, just entertain the idea that you're doing it. Like, don't think about its counterregulatory opposite of, well, if this happens, the opposite is this not happening, and then that's a thing. And then I get emotional about that.
• 1:16:37
  You just singularity of focus.
• 1:16:39
  Zoltan: Right.
• 1:16:40
  Roland: And, you know, re maybe rewording the word crazy to, subjectively sane in your reality
• 1:16:47
  Zoltan: Right.
• 1:16:47
  Roland: Will help people. Because I think the the wonderful thing you said there is people are worshiping false idols more than ever, and those false idols are the perceived uber successful rich on TikTok or whatever. You have to find a way to relate positively with yourself and really understand who you are, what you are, how you are to do all of this. Would you say that's fair?
• 1:17:09
  Zoltan: But even that is respectable because those false idols you speak of eventually, like, how many of them there were that pretended to be and then became. Mhmm. Right? So Maybe he was addressing ourselves. But, you know, like, let's let's look at the name title of everything is energy.
• 1:17:24
  Right? Mhmm. And and so, yeah, you have to understand that energy can be extremely destructive, but controlled, is wow. Mhmm. That is the building block of all things.
• 1:17:35
  So when you have a really shitty position, a really shitty job, when, you know, the darkest days of life, that is fuel, man. It's greatest opportunity comes from that. If you had a mediocre job that just kinda take you from a to b, kinda paying your rent. Right? Or you have a relationship, like, it's okay.
• 1:17:59
  Is it the person you really wanna be with? Acceptable. You know? She doesn't stab me, you know, freaking forehead or hit me with a frying pan every you know, whatever the hell many people do in their relationship. You know?
• 1:18:12
  If you if you're in that position that things just okay, it's almost like you just slowly waste away. But, man, when your things are shitty, when you're down, when you live in a worse, you can't go all over. I've been a bitch, Bob. Like, I had nothing. You know what I mean?
• 1:18:29
  Actually, I was happy, but I did understand, like, man, this can get worse. And, it's not bad. Yeah. You know what mean? So so those are the position.
• 1:18:38
  I have nothing to lose. You know, I have nothing to lose. Things are gonna get better. And and if I'm angry at a position, oh, that's a beautiful energy, man, if you control it. My anger is not destructive.
• 1:18:52
  My anger is like, man, I'm climbing that freaking mountain. Where do you think a UFC fighter reach when I'm losing this fight? Right? Mhmm. That anger, it has to be controlled.
• 1:19:07
  Where is that mountain climb your reach? Like, man, I'm gonna you're gonna clench your teeth, and you're gonna get that anger, and you're gonna focus that into your survival or climb that freaking mountain. Right? So so when you're in a frustrating relationship or you're in a frustrating job or you know? Again, the lack of of of mentors who can tell you, no.
• 1:19:29
  No. No. This is good. You're angry. You hate your job.
• 1:19:32
  You hate this position. Now make it into a ball, and let's go. Let's let's have a you know, let's use this. Don't lose this energy. Don't don't explain it away.
• 1:19:45
  Don't make yourself docile. You're not meant to be. We are not born into sitting in cubicles in under fluorescent lights. That's not that's not life. That's not no.
• 1:19:57
  So don't, you know, don't be the the caged animal. Don't don't explain it away that, wow. That's just gonna no. No. No.
• 1:20:05
  No. Use use that anchor. Structure that and use that to break out of your your current situation. And here's the thing. Everything around us, all these things were an idea once, and somebody imagined it.
• 1:20:22
  And then we invented it, imagined it, designed it, and then became reality. But between that imagination and design, there was action. Mhmm. Right? So this universe, maybe that's what this is.
• 1:20:35
  Like, our, call it, soul or being, whatever drive this meat puppet, right, have this exoskeleton, right, have these thoughts. But we don't have this interface. I have a thought that I'm gonna move that bottle over there. That's not gonna move the bottle. I need the interface to grab it and actually move it.
• 1:20:56
  Right? So maybe that's what we're doing here. But then if that's what I accept as as my current reality, then well, then let's get moving. Then use action, then imagine things, then action, action, action. Well, the action will make make a difference.
• 1:21:15
  My thoughts, like, you know, there's that saying, like, three frogs sitting on the lotus leaf and two of them thinking about jumping in the water. How many left on the on the lotus flower? Well, three three of them were just just thinking of joining jumping in the water. Thinking is not doing. Right?
• 1:21:33
  And, again, I think this is it. The the lack of people who are in the wise men, the village elder, the whatever, witch doctor, the whatever the shaman, the the guru position that can help people to see their reality. Right? Depression, the thing that we started with is simply the lack of the you don't have how would I phrase it that it that it's elegant. You're you're lacking the perception that there are avenues available to you.
• 1:22:18
  So it's kind of like you feel like you're stuck because you don't see a way forward. You you so it's it's not anything else, but the the perceived lack of choices. You're thinking that you cannot choose things. Mhmm. You I'm stuck, and I don't have a move forward.
• 1:22:37
  And I I there's nothing I can choose. And usually, the crux of this is you lie to yourself about something. Mhmm. You accepted something that's untrue. There's always a way.
• 1:22:46
  Mhmm. There's always a way. And it comes back to you. There's always a way. There's there's you know, as long as you're alive, there is a way.
• 1:22:54
  You your job is to figure out what that way is. And so if you look at depression or being stuck at, like, okay. I'm just not seeing my options. I have options. I'm just not seeing them.
• 1:23:04
  So let's let's look at that. Then most of the time, I would say, if you're not seeing your options, then you are the person. It's your perception that is not seeing the options. So what do you have to change? You have to change you.
• 1:23:24
  Right? Like, I have this one of us pretty solid pillars that I operate by is that I have to become the person that will get a job. Or, you know, you like a girl. Oh, I you know? You can't go and get her.
• 1:23:44
  No. No. No. You have to become the person that she wants to be with. The job.
• 1:23:49
  You can't go and get a job. You have to become the person that would get that job. Mhmm. Right? So if you if you stuck in life and you look at the depression or you're depressed or you don't see a a path forward, then you might at least understand this.
• 1:24:03
  I have to change me. I can't control my environment or at least I don't see it. If I don't see it, well, freaking move your hand. Look around the corner. Whatever it it needs to be, it will require action.
• 1:24:16
  You will have to dive in and and it it might be as simple. Like, bro, go to the gym. I I love that when people hate them. Like, oh, you're a gym, bro. Dude, let me tell you about gym bros.
• 1:24:27
  Like, I I go to the gym. These guys are my friends. They're my dear friends. Right? A lot of them.
• 1:24:32
  And the the discipline have you ever seen a bodybuilder depressed? The commitment. The commitment, the discipline. But have you seen a depressed bodybuilder? Because I haven't I know a lot of them.
• 1:24:43
  I put it's not my personal maybe there are some, but I never seen
• 1:24:46
  Roland: Maybe only if they can't work out.
• 1:24:48
  Zoltan: I I never seen a depressed because those guys get up and go and you know? Yeah. Now, obviously, you have to have a you don't have to if that's your career. That's your career. But, you know, but if that's not your career, you're just doing it, then you have other things that you're doing, the discipline.
• 1:25:06
  And and whatever you do there obviously will help those other things. Mhmm. Whatever you do. Right? And you you should anyway.
• 1:25:13
  I mean, I always believe this that in the beginning of life, you get a 100 chips. And it's your job to, like, okay. How many of these chips I'm gonna put put on what? Now if I wanted to be the best guitar player on the planet, I'm gonna go, okay. I'll take the whole stack.
• 1:25:27
  I'll push it on guitar player. Man, but I'm gonna be an imbecile on every other way. So that's not you know, I may be the best, but I can't formulate a sentence so you got a problem. You know I mean? So so I can't put all that.
• 1:25:40
  So it's it's it's one of those things where you have to understand, like, okay. I'm putting 50 on that, but then I need to have communication skills or other skills. And if if you're smart, you pick skills that complement each other. So it's like, man, I'm really good at guitar playing and deep sea diving. Man, those two just never collides.
• 1:25:58
  Those three will not do anything for each other. Right? So if you have complementing skills that paint the whole picture, that that that will take you somewhere. Right? And so so I always believe that you you you cannot be a master of one.
• 1:26:15
  That's Most people don't know that the complete saying Mhmm.
• 1:26:18
  Roland: Is jack of all trades, master of none, often better than a master of one.
• 1:26:22
  Zoltan: I guess
• 1:26:23
  Roland: When I heard that, I was like, holy shit. Yeah. Yeah. Because it reframes the whole thing. Everyone wants to specialize nowadays.
• 1:26:30
  And you can be a specialist, but if you're not strong across the board as a generalist in some context, you're not gonna be playing the game with adaptability.
• 1:26:38
  Zoltan: I mean, you can you can literally especially right now, you can go into that that how how weak that structure is because you're like, I spent my whole life on, let's say, becoming a graphic designer. The AI will create stuff that will take me months to create. Now I can I am and I've been a a graphic designer? You know? I have a degree, not even I had massive jobs, very famous things, and various famous people I've worked for.
• 1:27:10
  As a graphic designer, I was very successful. Let's just say it that way. Right? So and I'm I'm looking at things like, I can do this. But, man, this this painting would take me two months to do.
• 1:27:23
  And I just did it in seven seconds. Check GPT. Done. So now that one stack, if I built everything on that one stack of I am just this, man, I would be you know, same with programmers. Oh, I can code.
• 1:27:37
  Okay.
• 1:27:38
  Roland: Something else can code too.
• 1:27:40
  Zoltan: Yeah. See what I mean? So so you you have to be, you know, you have to be definitely building multi and and then okay. Since you brought up AI, well, you have to understand that. You do have to look at it because I see the big clash.
• 1:27:56
  Like, a lot of artists start, like, you know, oh, this is taking my job. And, you know, when I look at your art, I'm like, yeah. I don't think it's taking your job. You you didn't have the job you're complaining about because that's nothing special here. Right?
• 1:28:10
  So or or musicians like, oh my god. This is taking your job. Again, I could be pissed off. We we wrote 30 top 10 hits. AI was trained on our music.
• 1:28:20
  When when you're in a in a van in bumble talkie and you made absolutely no stride, trust me, AI wasn't trained on your shit. Mhmm. That nobody ever heard. Right? So and so I could complain, but I'm not.
• 1:28:33
  Because I'm looking at, like, man, what tool. Another set of tools that you can use. You you still have to know what's cool, what isn't. Mhmm. It still involves human input.
• 1:28:45
  You still have to control. It's not gonna just like, hey. Well, make me a star. That's no. That's That's not a very bad way.
• 1:28:52
  Roland: I think if we could examine all that you just said from a high level conception, just don't be a victim.
• 1:28:59
  Zoltan: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. We talked about this too. Yes.
• 1:29:02
  Actually, we had the conversation before.
• 1:29:04
  Roland: That you were just saying that reminded me of the notion of success as antidote is victimhood.
• 1:29:10
  Zoltan: Like, I remember saying to you at one point when I was like, you know what? You you have two choices. You either look at it like I was born into this world, so I am impacting this world. Right? I am happening to this world.
• 1:29:25
  Or you wake up here and there's, oh my god. This is all coming at me. That life is happening I'm overwhelmed. Life is happening to me. So this is a very distinct way of look at things.
• 1:29:36
  Right? And I believe that this is also one of the pillars that I think is important. Now you have to make this decision. Was I born into this world? Therefore, I'm an impactor.
• 1:29:46
  I am affecting this world, which I believe is the correct way. Mhmm. Or you just look at life like it's all coming at me. Right? One of them breeds victim mentality, and the the other one is going to be the boop into a a successful person.
• 1:30:00
  Because if I accept, like, well, allegedly, the world was here before I woke up here, allegedly. I'm I'm not gonna say it was because
• 1:30:09
  Roland: you can't know what you were unconscious
• 1:30:11
  Zoltan: of. A video game character doesn't know that it just came online. Yes. Yeah. There's no idea what happened before.
• 1:30:17
  Right? Anyway, so let's say the world allegedly was here before before I was born. At least I perceive it that way. Right? So I'm here now, and things are happening.
• 1:30:27
  And so that means I am impacting the world that was here. And if I look at it from that perspective, then everything I will do in this world will kind of butterfly effect. I'm here now, and whatever I do will affect. Mhmm. But if I wasn't here, it will go another way.
• 1:30:43
  So I'm an impactor. What does that mean? That means I'm responsible. I'm respond I have to look at it that way. And if I am impacting this world, I am responsible for everything I will say and do, especially the things I do.
• 1:30:57
  Right? Because that is changing and altering this world I was born into, and I cannot be a victim. I'm an impactor. Right? If people are like, why this happens to me?
• 1:31:08
  Bro, that didn't happen to you. It happened. It happened.
• 1:31:12
  Roland: It's that's your You make the you make
• 1:31:14
  Zoltan: the meaning. That's your experience. Like, you perceive something in a way. Memory is a tricky freaking thing. Yeah.
• 1:31:18
  Right? What happened? Know, You it's like, you know, those drawing, well, it's a circle. Yeah. Okay.
• 1:31:24
  Well, how now? Now it's it looks like a line. Yeah. Right? But perspective is everything.
• 1:31:29
  Right. So was it really what you experienced? Is it really true? And how much do you wanna tell yourself a story Right.
• 1:31:37
  Roland: To fit the narrative?
• 1:31:38
  Zoltan: And and so, yeah, I guess that's that's I would I would say that's one of also one of the pillars that you have to kind of look at this. Like, I'm an impactor. You know? And, again, there's not this is factual. There's nothing egoistic about it.
• 1:31:54
  Every single one of us is an impactor. Just some of us knows the other ones don't see it that way, and, therefore, they become victims of this.
• 1:32:01
  Roland: I think that's a very powerful statement. What I love about this conversation is we started super abstract, super theoretical. Yeah. And it was almost to the point where it's like, this is a lot of stuff to follow in terms of understanding how it's all coming together, And we've ended super practical. Right.
• 1:32:17
  And and it's actionable, and there's no obfuscation of what you're saying. Right. It's you are the impactor. K. Step into it.
• 1:32:27
  Execute. Have the will. Have the vision, hold that vision, and the end's probably gonna look really good, better than you could have imagined. Yeah. So that I I gotta shake your hand, but I wanna thank you this for this is I wanna thank you for this today.
• 1:32:40
  Is there, if people wanna find out more about everything that you're doing, is there anywhere that you wanna share? Anything that you wanna share is kind of a final thought for people listening to this who want to get to know more
• 1:32:49
  Zoltan: about you? It would be it would be the standard, you know, here's my social media account. I mean, I'm assuming my name is Ade. You punch in my name, it will come up. You know?
• 1:32:58
  It's like I talk about martial arts and all kind of things, you know, on my on my feed. You know? Maybe you
• 1:33:04
  Roland: should start a physics channel. Maybe he's his old hand teaches physics. I mean,
• 1:33:08
  Zoltan: yeah. I I guess. You know? I I'm I'm not really the the, you know, I'm not really the preachy kind of
• 1:33:14
  Roland: You're the sharing thing.
• 1:33:15
  Zoltan: Know mean? It's you know what? It is eastern philosophy in some way where it's it's the the rule of between, let's say, say, both spiritual seekers and and travelers that are traveling to psychic realities and, you know, that I'm not here to preach. But if you ask, I have to tell. That's kind of the rule.
• 1:33:41
  I like that. You know? If you ask, I have to stop whatever I'm doing, and I have to tell. That's the rule. I can't go and preach, but if you ask.
• 1:33:49
  Roland: I'm very glad I asked. Thank you for all the wisdom, all the information, the stories, the background, everything. I I Alright. I think, I know, I hope that people are gonna watch this multiple times because there's a lot of nuggets here. So maybe in five years, when we have a different theory of consciousness, we'll do this again to see how much has changed.
• 1:34:06
  Zoltan: Yeah. I mean, I guess that's that's would be my final word, really, that you have to you have to weaponize everything you got. Mhmm. You know? Weaponize your mind, your spirit, your body, everything you got.
• 1:34:20
  You're re really fulfill your evolutionary duty by finding the edges of your possibilities. And most people didn't even scratch the surface. That's that's where that's you where you're not. Find your absolute edge. What how far you can push this body, your mind, and and your resilience, your spirit, whatever that is.
• 1:34:40
  Every single aspect of you, weaponize it and push it as far. And I'm I'm I will bet many, many people that, man, you're not even in the first 10% of what you can do.
• 1:34:51
  Roland: Yeah. Never underestimate what's possible within you. I love that. Well, I hope you guys resonated with this. I hope it was as inspiring for you as it was for me.
• 1:35:00
  I'm I'm ready to go, like, I don't know, run a marathon or start a new company or something. Zoltan, thank you again.
• 1:35:05
  Zoltan: Absolutely.
• 1:35:05
  Roland: And thank you guys. As always, like, subscribe, look for the next episodes that are that are gonna be coming out soon on the Everything's Energy Show. We'll see you next time.