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158. [Georgia] The Murder of Tiffany Pugh · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: get into this week's episode of this episode out of
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Speaker 1: Georgia of the name of this band. Yes, I've forgot well,
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Speaker 1: of Georgia. On November twenty third, twenty fourteen, in East Point, Georgia,
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Speaker 1: nine one one receives a call from Andre Pew stating
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Speaker 1: that his house had been broken into and that his
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Speaker 1: wife had been murdered. Now I know, he sounds really
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Speaker 1: frantic on the phone call. He told the operator that
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Speaker 1: He had been working as a DJ at the Onyx nightclub,
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Speaker 1: and he'd received an alert from his home surveillance that
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Speaker 1: the home had been broken into, or the not that
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Speaker 1: been broken into. The alarm goes off in the middle day,
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Speaker 1: the alarm company called him, Yes, well, he returned to
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Speaker 1: the house to find his wife murdered. Police arrive at
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Speaker 1: the scene and enter the home. On the first floor.
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Speaker 1: In the guest bedroom, they find Tiffany Pugh. She's thirty
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Speaker 1: years old. She is dead with a gunshot wound to
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Speaker 1: the head. Now, this is really the sad part. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the whole thing's said, but this is really disturbing part.
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Speaker 1: There was in the bed with her was her youngest child,
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Speaker 1: who I believe was around two years old, trying to
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Speaker 1: wake his mother up. Now the child was uninjured, thankfully,
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Speaker 1: but it seemed as if the so you're probably wondering, like,
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Speaker 1: why is the two year old in the bed with
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Speaker 1: the mother? Who is who has been murdered? As you
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Speaker 1: see the surveillance footage from their house, the father is
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Speaker 1: outside calling one and he thought that they were all
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Speaker 1: still asleep, which the old They had an older child
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Speaker 1: as well, and she was still asleep in bed, but
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Speaker 1: the youngest one apparently had gotten up and went in
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Speaker 1: there to look for his mom while she was asleep.
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Speaker 1: While he's out calling on the phone and trying to
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Speaker 1: wake her up and everything that.
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Speaker 2: So, but you got kids and a wife in the house,
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Speaker 2: and you're just going to stand outside and say, yeah,
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Speaker 2: there's been a.
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Speaker 1: Call for a murder and not get not be like,
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Speaker 1: my kids are still in danger because he didn't do it.
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Speaker 2: So he's what I'm saying, if he's outside on the
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Speaker 2: phone and he hasn't gone in the.
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Speaker 1: Check, oh, he has gone in. When he went in,
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Speaker 1: the kid wasn't in the bed with the kid. He
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Speaker 1: thought the other two children were asleep. But what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: whenever I saw I was like, why are you outside?
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Speaker 1: I would be getting my children, wondering if the murderer
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Speaker 1: was still in the home or my other two children.
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Speaker 1: Pay But I guess whenever he went maybe he went
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Speaker 1: and checked on him. They were asleep, so he went out.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's questionable. We'll get into it.
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Speaker 2: They didn't specify it.
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Speaker 1: They didn't specify, but he thought that the children were asleep.
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Speaker 1: He did not realize the one child was in the
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Speaker 1: bed trying to wake his mother up, who had been shot.
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Speaker 1: It's very disturbing situation with that.
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Speaker 2: Investigators are looking at this crime scene and they find
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Speaker 2: that the back gate is open and on the back
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Speaker 2: side of the house there's a window with no screen
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Speaker 2: that was also open, and it appeared that the murder
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Speaker 2: had entered the home there. There was also a side
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Speaker 2: door exiting the home, which they believe was how the
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Speaker 2: killer left the house, but just didn't close it all
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Speaker 2: the way. They believed that the rush to exit was
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Speaker 2: due to the burglar alarm system going on and the
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Speaker 2: intruder having to leave in a hurry.
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Speaker 1: Yes, because it appeared that they did not have to
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Speaker 1: when they entered the home. It did not appear that
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Speaker 1: obviously the alarm didn't go off right them.
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Speaker 2: Because the door was open.
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Speaker 1: No, well, because they wouldn't have time to get in
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Speaker 1: and murder somebody that the burglar alarm was going off.
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Speaker 1: And so I'm guessing they had no contacts on the
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Speaker 1: door that window, or the window was left open.
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Speaker 2: There's probably no contact on that window. Yeah, from what.
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Speaker 1: Well, from your experience, I thought we had we have
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Speaker 1: contacts on all of our windows.
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Speaker 2: We do now, but one way bought the house. It didn't.
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Speaker 1: But a lot of alarm systems that installed do not
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Speaker 1: put the contacts because they're assuming that the windows open,
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Speaker 1: so they would have to they'll have like a glass break.
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Speaker 2: I'll cover numerous weathers, which.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about later, but the alarm did not go
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Speaker 1: off initially when the window was open due to probably
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Speaker 1: no but so then you have to remember that's the
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Speaker 1: thing though. Then you have to remember to lot close
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Speaker 1: all your windows. And if you live in like a
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Speaker 1: nice climate where you might be able to open a
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Speaker 1: window every once in a while, which is not here,
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Speaker 1: not here, your house will be covered in dust.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be covered in dust. Or it's two damn huh.
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Speaker 1: Yes, those are the two options. So we don't really
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Speaker 1: open our windows here, but you can in Louisiana at
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Speaker 1: certain times of the year. You air out your house.
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Speaker 1: You got to go air out that house.
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Speaker 2: You do You even had them the mattic van.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. When I was growing up, we had an
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Speaker 1: attic fan in Lufkin in that house and it was
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Speaker 1: so great because you would as soon as that first
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Speaker 1: Chris Bear would hit, you just open all the windows up,
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Speaker 1: clicking on and try it hopefully you got all the
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Speaker 1: doors where they're not gonna slam m h as it's
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Speaker 1: going through and it just airs out that whole house anyways,
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Speaker 1: So that's why the alarmed. They do not believe the alarm.
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Speaker 1: Alarm did not go off initially until later. But we'll
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Speaker 1: talk through that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no spoiler alerts come on. As police looked at
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Speaker 2: the state of the home, it did not seem to
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Speaker 2: be out of order from the normal everyday living of
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Speaker 2: two adults and two children. This seemed odd to police
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Speaker 2: because they thought it was supposed to be an attempt
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Speaker 2: at burglary, but now it's looking like there was a
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Speaker 2: different motive. But as they looked, there was nothing taken
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Speaker 2: from the home, and Tiffany did not appear to have
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Speaker 2: been sexually assaulted or attacked in any way like she
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Speaker 2: was trying to be sexually assaulted and she fought back
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Speaker 2: or anything like that. When looking at the murder, they
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Speaker 2: found that the gunshot that she had been shot three times.
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Speaker 2: The first bullet miss Tiffany, went through the headboard, the
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Speaker 2: second bullet appeared to hit her in the chest, and
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Speaker 2: the third was to the head, which is what police
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Speaker 2: believed killed her. They believed the shot to the head
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Speaker 2: was execution style because doing their forensics, the angle was different.
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Speaker 2: It looked like the shooter had walked right up to
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Speaker 2: her and shot her in the head, where the other
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Speaker 2: ones looked like they were shot from the foot of
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Speaker 2: the bed at her. The murder weapon was also not
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Speaker 2: found at the scene, and the bullet casinges were missing
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Speaker 2: as well. They did not find any shoeprints, fingerprints, or
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Speaker 2: any type of forensic evidence at the scene other than
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Speaker 2: the body.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Now, investigators began looking into Tiffany's life. They found
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Speaker 1: that she was described as a good mother. She did
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Speaker 1: not seem to have any issues with anyone, you know
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Speaker 1: obviously that are obvious obvious to them of an enemy,
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Speaker 1: like she did not have a nemesis or something crazy.
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Speaker 2: Like she was not the floor person at a criminal trial.
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Speaker 1: She had not just recently been the four person at
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Speaker 1: a criminal trial where the person was found guilty unanimously.
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Speaker 1: So she was described as fun loving and ambitious. Her
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Speaker 1: family lived in Las Vegas, but when it was time
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Speaker 1: for her to go to college, she really wanted to
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Speaker 1: attend Clark University in Atlanta, Georgia. So her family was
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Speaker 1: like Okay, you can.
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Speaker 2: I mean head to the other coast.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've never been to Las Vegas.
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Speaker 2: I have. I love it, but I would not want
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Speaker 2: to love.
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Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, I don't think anybody wants to live there.
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Speaker 1: I mean, some people live there, but I've heard outside
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Speaker 1: the Strip, somebody's.
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Speaker 2: Got to live there so that I can go and
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Speaker 2: enjoy myself.
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Speaker 1: But I feel like when you go to the Strip,
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Speaker 1: it's the one thing I've never been, but you're going
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Speaker 1: for a good time. It's an experience. But then once
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Speaker 1: you exit the Strip, I've heard it's it's just barren.
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Speaker 2: Like it's like living in Midland. There's no trees, no
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Speaker 2: nothing else.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's not pretty nothing. Parts of is that in Nevada? Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: there's parts of Nevada that.
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Speaker 2: Are Yeah, you get out into the desert and all that,
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Speaker 2: it looks. It's better desert than midline. I can tell
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Speaker 2: you that, yes, all right.
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Speaker 1: So she heads off to Atlanta, Georgia and start studying
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Speaker 1: business at Clark University, and this is where she meets
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Speaker 1: Andre Pew and they hit it off. After graduation, she
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Speaker 1: landed a job at Delta Airlines because Atlanta, Atlanta.
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Speaker 2: Huge, Delta, Coca Cola. That's Delta and.
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Speaker 1: Coca Cola, and she began working her way up to
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Speaker 1: being a manager. Well. While Tiffany was working her way
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Speaker 1: up at Delta, Andre was making a name for himself
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Speaker 1: in the club scene as DJ Awesome, which I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure if that's the best DJ name. I mean DJ awesome.
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Speaker 2: Everything is awesome, Everything is awesome. Lego movie got no,
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Speaker 2: I think the Lego movie came after that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So on February fourteenth, Valentine's Day, two thousand nine,
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Speaker 1: they went in a small ceremony and then had a
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Speaker 1: larger reception. Everyone was very happy for the couple and
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Speaker 1: they seemed to have, you know, everything going for them.
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Speaker 1: They both had good careers, thriving in the careers that
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Speaker 1: they wanted, a good relationship. Tiffany was very excited to
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Speaker 1: marry Andre, and then they would soon welcome two children
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Speaker 1: to complete their family over the next couple of years.
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Speaker 1: So really had everything. They lived in a nice house
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, I mean sorry, not Atlanta East Point, which
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Speaker 1: is a suburb of Atlanta, is it now, Yes, Stuart,
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Speaker 1: that's what they say. That's what the Google maps say.
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Speaker 2: Oh, we've been to Atlanta once passed through in the
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Speaker 2: middle of the night in the on our way to
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Speaker 2: South Carolina. Yes, since police had no DNA or any
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Speaker 2: other forensic evidence to go off, they began looking at
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Speaker 2: video surveillance around the home. The home had about seven
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Speaker 2: cameras inside and out, and just before the arm was triggered,
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Speaker 2: they did find that a vehicle pulled up near the home. However,
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Speaker 2: the way the person was parked, they could not get
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Speaker 2: a license plate number or a video of the person
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Speaker 2: exiting the car.
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Speaker 1: They weren't creepy cameras in the house though, It's not
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Speaker 1: like that one that we covered where the guy had
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Speaker 1: the entire inside of the car all the way and
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Speaker 1: just yeah, they have the entryway. I believe it was
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Speaker 1: only the entryways the only one that they showed any surveillance,
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Speaker 1: which is probably what just to see who's coming in
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Speaker 1: the home.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then when looking at the cameras on the
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Speaker 2: side of the home where they thought the killer would
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Speaker 2: have entered. Somehow, the killer never showed up on the video,
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Speaker 2: as if they were avoiding the cameras there around the
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Speaker 2: house like they knew where they were placed. So this
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Speaker 2: indicates that whoever was doing this most likely was familiar
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Speaker 2: with the camera placements and that it wasn't just a
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Speaker 2: lucky event that they they they just happened not show
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Speaker 2: up on video.
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Speaker 1: Because if you're walking up at a house and you're
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Speaker 1: going to commit this type of crime, you're looking unless
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Speaker 1: you're a complete idiot, you're looking around and you're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: there's a camera up there. There's a camera up here,
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Speaker 1: But you don't know exactly where they're pointing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you can kind of tell, but you don't know the
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Speaker 1: you don't know the area that those cameras are covering
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Speaker 1: complete because I'm guessing because each camera has a different.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of filed up zoom you can zoom out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't know exactly where. So it does seem
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Speaker 1: like whoever it was was familiar. Now with this information,
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Speaker 1: they need to take a deep dive into Andre aka.
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Speaker 2: DJ Awesome DJ Awesome.
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Speaker 1: So he said that he was working a gig at
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Speaker 1: the Onyx nightclub, which was his typical place to DJ
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Speaker 1: that evening, and came home to find his wife murder
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Speaker 1: Like he stated on the nine of one call, they
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Speaker 1: bring Andre to go over his story. Well, he said
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Speaker 1: that he was at the nightclub when he received a
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Speaker 1: call from the alarm company saying that the alarm was
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Speaker 1: going off. Well, he tells them just to go ahead
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Speaker 1: and silence the alarm because he didn't think anything was
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Speaker 1: going on because his wife's home. You know, his wife
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Speaker 1: and children are home. You know, I guess.
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Speaker 2: What are we doing here on draft?
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Speaker 1: Yep. So they shut the alarm off, and he tries
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Speaker 1: calling his wife three times, but she doesn't answer, and
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Speaker 1: so that's when he said he began to worry. Well,
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Speaker 1: he calls his boss and asked him if he could
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Speaker 1: would meet him at the house because he was concerned
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Speaker 1: about the alarm going off and his wife not answered
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Speaker 1: the phone. It's also middle of the night, I believe
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Speaker 1: when he was heading over there, it was closer to
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Speaker 1: he he silenced the alarm, but he's in the middle
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Speaker 1: of his DJ thing. So they this was around Was
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Speaker 1: it two eight? Why do I have two am? It's
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Speaker 1: not two am. That's when the guy was drinking and
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Speaker 1: driving that I just did that. This was further along
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Speaker 1: in the morning.
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Speaker 2: Jesus.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, so I was thinking two am because
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Speaker 1: that's when that one guy was picked up for drinking
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Speaker 1: and driving. That's why I was thinking two am. But
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Speaker 1: it's in the middle of the night, like she's so
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Speaker 1: for her not answered phone. He is worried, but she
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Speaker 1: also could just be sleeping. My phone is on silent and.
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Speaker 2: The alarm goes off. You're going to be up?
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, the smoke alarm outside of our room was
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Speaker 1: going low battery, And so I wakes you up because
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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, maybe it'll stop. That's not how that works.
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Speaker 1: So I wake him up, and it's a stupid one
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Speaker 1: because it's eventually gonna wake the children because it's just
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Speaker 1: annoying enough to you know, to do that. And that
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Speaker 1: was a whole ordeal. Anyways, So he calls his boss
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Speaker 1: to meet him over there because he's worried about He's
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Speaker 1: concerned about Tiffany. So he arrives at the home before
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Speaker 1: his boss, and he goes ahead and he gets out,
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Speaker 1: he sees that side gate open, uh, you know, on
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Speaker 1: the side of his house, and he immediately is like, okay,
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Speaker 1: there's something wrong because that gate is never open. So
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Speaker 1: he goes ahead and enters the home and went down
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Speaker 1: where he knew his wife would be sleeping, and he
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Speaker 1: began calling out for her, and when she didn't respond.
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Speaker 1: He immediately knew something was wrong, and that's when he
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Speaker 1: enters the room. He noticed that she was not moving,
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Speaker 1: and that's when he ran out. He calls the police
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Speaker 1: and his boss shows.
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Speaker 2: Up just after shortly thereafter.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so he told investigators that they were in a
18:16
Speaker 1: happy marriage and that they didn't have any major issues,
18:19
Speaker 1: just the normal day to day things of you know,
18:21
Speaker 1: raising two children, your spouse just annoying the fuck out
18:25
Speaker 1: of you, you know, things like that, moving on to
18:28
Speaker 1: do it before you go on a rent. The one
18:30
Speaker 1: thing that the officers, the investigators did find kind of
18:33
Speaker 1: weird was like, why is she sleeping in the guest
18:35
Speaker 1: bedroom when there's a perfectly good master bedroom right upstairs
18:38
Speaker 1: where she could be sleeping. And he said that on
18:42
Speaker 1: Saturday nights she would sleep down there because he did
18:45
Speaker 1: not get home until five thirty in the morning, and
18:48
Speaker 1: this way that he could come in go to sleep
18:50
Speaker 1: without disturbing her, and that she could get up in
18:52
Speaker 1: the morning without disturbing him. So, I mean, this seems legitimate,
18:56
Speaker 1: you know, wow, makes sense.
18:57
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't he sleep in the guest bestroom since he's
18:59
Speaker 2: getting let's sleep.
19:00
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe she likes to sleep in that room.
19:03
Speaker 1: I don't know, possible, you can ask Andrey, all right,
19:07
Speaker 1: So they did a swab of Andre's hands that night
19:11
Speaker 1: for gunshot residue, and it came back negative. Investigators did
19:15
Speaker 1: release Andre and continue to look into the evidence of
19:17
Speaker 1: the crime scene, which was not much to go on.
19:20
Speaker 2: Now. When police received records from the alarm company, they
19:24
Speaker 2: discovered that the time of the alarm went off was
19:27
Speaker 2: most time of the alarm went off, the time that
19:30
Speaker 2: the I say that.
19:31
Speaker 1: Or the time that alarm went off.
19:36
Speaker 2: The time that the alarm went off was most likely
19:39
Speaker 2: whenever the gun shots were fired. The house had a
19:43
Speaker 2: glass break alarm or two, we don't know, and so
19:46
Speaker 2: when the gun was fired, it would have been loud
19:49
Speaker 2: enough that it would have triggered the glass break sensors.
19:52
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if the first one maybe didn't or something
19:54
Speaker 1: like that. And then that's when all of a sudden,
19:56
Speaker 1: the person panicked and walked straight up to her and
19:58
Speaker 1: shot her right in the head, you know, because they got.
20:02
Speaker 2: Two shots off because the alarm started going off, and
20:05
Speaker 2: he's like, oh shit, I got to make sure to
20:06
Speaker 2: do this. Yeah, Well, see the way the glass break
20:09
Speaker 2: works too. Is it goes with sound and pressure, so
20:12
Speaker 2: they're usually a dual technology so that you don't get
20:15
Speaker 2: false alarms. Yeah, so it'll take the sound wave plus
20:19
Speaker 2: the sound itself change in the atmosphere.
20:24
Speaker 1: Well, this was twenty fourteen. Did they have that type
20:26
Speaker 1: of technology?
20:27
Speaker 2: They did, They did.
20:29
Speaker 1: Well, it's crazy to think that twenty fourteen was eleven
20:31
Speaker 1: years ago. That's a long time and technology moves fast.
20:34
Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't even know what AI was back then.
20:37
Speaker 2: Well, we knew what it was, it wasn't, but.
20:39
Speaker 1: It wasn't what it is today. We didn't know.
20:40
Speaker 2: We ca in movies.
20:41
Speaker 1: Yes, we didn't know. We could ask it questions and
20:44
Speaker 1: it completely planned an entire vacation or something like that.
20:49
Speaker 2: So basically, getting back to our story, this meant that
20:52
Speaker 2: the killer had to leave in a very rushed manner
20:57
Speaker 2: right after shooting off the weapon. They had a better
21:01
Speaker 2: understanding of how the alarms were set off, but this
21:04
Speaker 2: did not get them any closer to solve in the crime.
21:06
Speaker 2: They did speak to Andrea's boss, Cliff. He corroborated the
21:10
Speaker 2: timeline in the story that Andre told. The police are
21:14
Speaker 2: at a loss and they continue talking to Andrea seeing
21:17
Speaker 2: if there's anything that he can think of as to
21:19
Speaker 2: why Tiffany would be targeted like this, and that's when
21:22
Speaker 2: he brings up the fact that there was another DJ
21:26
Speaker 2: at the club that he works that had been murdered
21:29
Speaker 2: back in January in a similar execution style. That murder
21:34
Speaker 2: had still not been solved, and investigators are now thinking
21:37
Speaker 2: they need to look at this as a possibility as
21:39
Speaker 2: to why Tiffany was killed, because she might not have
21:43
Speaker 2: been the target, but they might have been trying to
21:46
Speaker 2: kill Andre and it just happened to be her. They
21:49
Speaker 2: pulled the case from the incident Andre told him about.
21:53
Speaker 2: It occurred in a different county, but nothing was really
21:57
Speaker 2: matching up except for the Club Onyx connect.
22:00
Speaker 1: The only thing, Yeah, the only thing in common was
22:03
Speaker 1: the Club Onyx and the execution style killing. So this
22:08
Speaker 1: is when they really start to start to talk to
22:10
Speaker 1: people at the Club Onyx to see if they can
22:12
Speaker 1: find some sort of reason behind the two killings, see
22:15
Speaker 1: if there's some sort of connection why someone would want
22:17
Speaker 1: to kill Andre, why someone want to kill this other DJ.
22:19
Speaker 1: This is when they discovered that while Andre at the
22:22
Speaker 1: beginning seemed like a good family man, after he began
22:26
Speaker 1: so they're talking to other people in the club. There's
22:27
Speaker 1: like he was a good family when he started he
22:30
Speaker 1: began DJing. His popularity is DJ awesome because with the
22:34
Speaker 1: name like that, you're going to be popular.
22:36
Speaker 2: I'm guessing the other guy's name was DJ not all
22:39
Speaker 2: not so awesome.
22:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, Stuart, that's not funny. Anyways, Like his popularity
22:46
Speaker 1: began to grow, that's when he started bringing home women
22:50
Speaker 1: from the club and cheating on his wife. So his
22:52
Speaker 1: little happy marriage is not so happy, and the people
22:55
Speaker 1: at the club are starting to talk. They said that
22:58
Speaker 1: the fame just really changed Andre from a nice guy
23:01
Speaker 1: to goind of this player. That's like, I got these
23:04
Speaker 1: bites and hoes, you know. So with this new information,
23:08
Speaker 1: they begin looking more into the marriage and find that
23:10
Speaker 1: there actually was trouble because Tiffany knew about Andre's cheating.
23:16
Speaker 1: They discovered that she was actually planning on filing for
23:19
Speaker 1: divorce from Andre, which would more explain her sleeping in
23:23
Speaker 1: the guest bedroom than what Andre came up with. They
23:28
Speaker 1: also began looking at into the finances and found that
23:30
Speaker 1: Andre was absolutely terrible with money, and that's so he
23:35
Speaker 1: was constantly having to ask Tiffany for money, because I'm
23:38
Speaker 1: guessing as she learned he was cheating on her. I'm
23:40
Speaker 1: sure they started separating their finances a little bit more,
23:42
Speaker 1: and he's having She's very successful in her work at Delta,
23:45
Speaker 1: and he's she's having to and she's very responsible with money.
23:49
Speaker 1: He's having to say, hey, can you just can I
23:52
Speaker 1: get some of that old fayes because he's just probably
23:56
Speaker 1: spending all his money on.
23:59
Speaker 2: Yes, what no condoms, just the bitches and house.
24:04
Speaker 1: What did you say first ladies?
24:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ladies and condoms.
24:07
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he's over there just cheating up, trying to,
24:11
Speaker 1: you know, live his best DJ awesome life and spending
24:15
Speaker 1: all his money and time.
24:17
Speaker 2: With the what'd you call him? Bitches and home.
24:20
Speaker 1: So I'm saying that I said it one time. You
24:22
Speaker 1: don't know, Okay, well you don't need to keep repeating
24:24
Speaker 1: it before someone gets mad at us.
24:29
Speaker 2: What I'm not saying anything go on now. Investigators are
24:33
Speaker 2: warned her and if Andre was involved with this murder,
24:36
Speaker 2: you think However, they currently did not have any evidence
24:40
Speaker 2: tying him to the scene.
24:41
Speaker 1: They had nothing that he might have been. There's lots
24:44
Speaker 1: of shitty husbands that don't kill their wives. I mean,
24:47
Speaker 1: there's they have no evidence of him ever being there
24:50
Speaker 1: is the problem, So one can't get condicted of a
24:54
Speaker 1: crime they weren't there for I.
24:56
Speaker 2: Just said that they have no evidence tying him to
24:58
Speaker 2: the scene. His cell phone records showed that he was
25:01
Speaker 2: at the club and that he did not have gunshot
25:04
Speaker 2: gun SRB residue on his hands, and so far his
25:09
Speaker 2: story seemed to be believable, and it was backed up
25:12
Speaker 2: by his boss.
25:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's everywhere that he said he was. He's everything
25:18
Speaker 1: is good with him.
25:19
Speaker 2: Yes. It wasn't until they were running this information past
25:22
Speaker 2: Tiffany's father that he said, well, Andrea has a second phone.
25:28
Speaker 2: With this new information, investigators obtain a search warrant and
25:34
Speaker 2: pick up that second phone from the home. When obtaining
25:38
Speaker 2: these records, they found all the text between Tiffany and
25:41
Speaker 2: Andrea that showed they were having marital issues and that
25:44
Speaker 2: she was planning on leaving his ass.
25:46
Speaker 1: So he had his I'm a good family man, happy
25:50
Speaker 1: marriage cell phone, and then he had his I.
25:52
Speaker 2: Don't understand how dirty work. What all his messages were
25:57
Speaker 2: on the second phone to his wife. I would think
26:01
Speaker 2: that would be his burner.
26:03
Speaker 1: No, he was saying no but he was the dad
26:05
Speaker 1: was just saying, he has two phones. He they might
26:07
Speaker 1: he might have handed him the burner phone. I'm saying
26:10
Speaker 1: he had a phone that presented his life in a
26:12
Speaker 1: certain way, he had another phone that was actually how
26:15
Speaker 1: his life was was actually going. And he gave them
26:18
Speaker 1: whichever phone made him look that he didn't do any
26:21
Speaker 1: of his his probably cheating and arguing in all sorts
26:25
Speaker 1: of nefarious activities, the nice I'm a nice family man phone.
26:30
Speaker 2: Police continue to review all the information and they had.
26:35
Speaker 2: They're basically looking for any any inconsistencies in his stories.
26:39
Speaker 2: They found one with the statement that Andre's boss gave.
26:43
Speaker 2: He said that Andre called him and told him that
26:46
Speaker 2: someone had broken into the house through the basement window.
26:51
Speaker 2: Andre would have told his boss this prior to go
26:53
Speaker 2: into the home, because he asked him to meet him there.
26:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this was whenever he they found out whenever
26:59
Speaker 1: he first called his boss and said, Hey, I'm heading
27:01
Speaker 1: to the house, will you meet me there? Someone broke
27:03
Speaker 1: in through the basement window. And this would have been
27:05
Speaker 1: completely unknown to him at this time.
27:07
Speaker 2: Because there's no contact on that window.
27:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, for them to say and that's not what true,
27:11
Speaker 1: and it was because they learned about what Actually, yeah,
27:15
Speaker 1: they learned once they had the information about how the
27:17
Speaker 1: alarm was set off, because they didn't know at that
27:19
Speaker 1: point was it through, was it because of the window,
27:22
Speaker 1: or was it something else? And they learned that it wasn't.
27:26
Speaker 2: Based on the information the alarm camp company had given
27:29
Speaker 2: to the police. There was no alarm set off due
27:31
Speaker 2: to the basement window being open. What I just said, Yes, sorry.
27:35
Speaker 1: I jumped ahead, stew I was just trying to explain
27:38
Speaker 1: to the people.
27:39
Speaker 2: It was due to the glass break because of the gunshots, Kara,
27:43
Speaker 2: in case you didn't notice that. So how did Andre
27:46
Speaker 2: know that the killer went through the basement window prior
27:49
Speaker 2: to arriving at And how did you explain that? Andrea?
27:53
Speaker 1: Okay, well, they had a lot of circumstantial evidence, but
27:56
Speaker 1: they still had no real evidence tyme Andre to the
27:58
Speaker 1: crime scene. I mean besides him telling his boss that.
28:01
Speaker 1: But again, that's that's him saying that to his boss.
28:04
Speaker 1: His boss could have misremembered anything that could definitely be her.
28:09
Speaker 1: The client could definitely be cloaked in innocence. That's a
28:11
Speaker 1: throwback to jury duty. So this is when they go
28:16
Speaker 1: back up. They go back to that vehicle that they
28:19
Speaker 1: see pulling on because this is their best bet of
28:21
Speaker 1: trying to catch who did this. They knew it was
28:23
Speaker 1: not Andre's car because it was missing a running light,
28:27
Speaker 1: not a headlights not a headlight, running light, but they
28:30
Speaker 1: had no other information about the vehicle. Well, they decided
28:33
Speaker 1: to pull phone records that were pinging off that tower
28:36
Speaker 1: over the three hour period during that night and cross
28:39
Speaker 1: reference those numbers to contacts in Andre's backup phone. So
28:43
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if they did that previously with the original phone,
28:46
Speaker 1: but now they got backup phone. They got bad Andre.
28:49
Speaker 1: They had good Andre phone. Yes, they got true Andre. Well,
28:55
Speaker 1: they do discover one number that is pinging on the
28:57
Speaker 1: cell phone tower during that time, and it is also
28:59
Speaker 1: an Andre's phone. And this belongs to a man named
29:02
Speaker 1: Adrian Harley. That's a cool name, Adrian Harley, better than
29:06
Speaker 1: DJ alsoen. Yes, so Adrian was a was a good
29:11
Speaker 1: friend of Andre's. Some even say he.
29:13
Speaker 2: Was not just a good friend, Kara, some would.
29:17
Speaker 1: Even say more than a good friend. Yes, he was
29:21
Speaker 1: the best man at their wedding, He was the godfather
29:23
Speaker 1: to their children, and he was also a pallbearer at
29:26
Speaker 1: Tiffany's funeral. So he is the best friend he is.
29:30
Speaker 1: They are thick as thieves. Now this was very disturbing
29:33
Speaker 1: to please because they now believe this is the person
29:35
Speaker 1: who killed Tiffany, and this is someone who was, you know,
29:38
Speaker 1: an intimate part of their family. They go to his
29:42
Speaker 1: home and discover that he does have a car so
29:43
Speaker 1: much than one of the videos, and it's missing a
29:46
Speaker 1: running lightsack.
29:46
Speaker 2: The driver's side front running light is out, so they.
29:50
Speaker 1: Bring because I told the reason we're making a big
29:52
Speaker 1: deal about it being a running light not headlights, because
29:54
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I was like, man, that's crazy. Who
29:56
Speaker 1: would go What kind of idiot goes and commits a
29:58
Speaker 1: murder with a with the headlight out, you know? And
30:02
Speaker 1: he's like, well, it was a it's a running light,
30:04
Speaker 1: not a headlights. You can't get pulled over for a
30:06
Speaker 1: running light being out. But still it's a distinguishing thing
30:09
Speaker 1: on your car. That's a stupid thing. You should make
30:12
Speaker 1: sure your car is in.
30:14
Speaker 2: Nobody notices their running lights. I guess you need to
30:16
Speaker 2: get out and do the twenty point chuck on your
30:18
Speaker 2: car if you're about to go commit a murder.
30:19
Speaker 1: Though, yes, you do need to make sure you don't
30:21
Speaker 1: want to be oil. Yes, you need to make sure
30:24
Speaker 1: your ducks are in a row. So they bring in
30:27
Speaker 1: Adrian to interview him, and he just completely lies about
30:30
Speaker 1: the whole situation. I mean, they know he's been there.
30:32
Speaker 2: And my name's not Adrian.
30:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not Adrian Harley.
30:35
Speaker 2: I don't know that guy. With this information, police were
30:39
Speaker 2: able to arrest both Adrian and Andre for the murder
30:42
Speaker 2: of Tiffany. They speak to Andre and he confesses that
30:45
Speaker 2: he did know that Adrian killed his wife. What the hell, Andre,
30:50
Speaker 2: I know? But he states that he had nothing to
30:53
Speaker 2: do with it and that Adrian did so on his
30:55
Speaker 2: own accord. He said that he was dejaying at Club
30:59
Speaker 2: Onyx that night and Adrian came up and told him
31:02
Speaker 2: I killed your wife.
31:03
Speaker 1: Yes, just flat out whispered in his ear, said I
31:05
Speaker 1: killed your wife.
31:06
Speaker 2: And he was like, okay, cool, I'm going to keep DJing.
31:08
Speaker 2: I'll go check it out when I get done. No,
31:10
Speaker 2: that's not what he said. Andre said, why would you
31:13
Speaker 2: do that? What are you talking about. A witness at
31:15
Speaker 2: the club did say that Andrea went and threw up
31:18
Speaker 2: right after Adriane spoke to him at the club.
31:20
Speaker 1: We don't know if that's because of what Adriane said though,
31:22
Speaker 1: or he just had too many drinks, or.
31:24
Speaker 2: He was like, dude, I did what you asked me
31:26
Speaker 2: to do. Yeah, wife is gone, and this is like yeah,
31:28
Speaker 2: and it became reality to him at that point. Andre
31:32
Speaker 2: said that Adrian had a really bad temper and that
31:35
Speaker 2: Tiffany had accused him of stealing money from them, and
31:38
Speaker 2: this would have set Adrian off and could be the
31:41
Speaker 2: reason why he.
31:42
Speaker 1: Killed Tiffany because he is still going with this thing.
31:44
Speaker 1: I had no idea that he was going to do this.
31:46
Speaker 1: He went his own. He just casually walks up to
31:48
Speaker 1: me at the club and says, I killed your wife,
31:51
Speaker 1: and he's trying to come up with like maybe that's
31:53
Speaker 1: why he did it.
31:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, well why didn't you tell us that the night
31:56
Speaker 2: that she was murdered? There on?
31:58
Speaker 1: Is their best friends?
31:59
Speaker 2: Do investigators? We're not believing Andre's story for some reason,
32:04
Speaker 2: that he had nothing to do with planning of Tiffany's murder.
32:07
Speaker 2: Despite Andre throwing Adrian completely under the bus, running over him,
32:12
Speaker 2: backing up on top of him, and then running.
32:14
Speaker 1: Again with the running light out.
32:17
Speaker 2: Yes, Adrian refused to talk to police and refused to
32:21
Speaker 2: testify against his friend Andre. Investigators still had enough to
32:25
Speaker 2: continue the charges against Andre.
32:28
Speaker 1: However, Yes, they're just not they're not buying this. But
32:31
Speaker 1: this is like a ride or die friend here. I mean,
32:33
Speaker 1: your friend Andre sucks. He's he's definitely just trying to
32:38
Speaker 1: sat jail and you're just over there. I mean, you
32:41
Speaker 1: should have just turned on that motherfucker.
32:43
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, Adrian knows he's going to jail,
32:45
Speaker 2: and be like, I ain't no snatch, I ain't did this,
32:47
Speaker 2: but we're now we're going to bust Andrea up when
32:49
Speaker 2: he gets in here. Though.
32:50
Speaker 1: Yes, So during the trial, they painted the picture of
32:53
Speaker 1: Andre orchestrating the murder while Adrian executed it. They believe
32:57
Speaker 1: that Andre left the basement window open to allow Adrian
32:59
Speaker 1: to j without the alarm going off. They also believed
33:02
Speaker 1: that he told Adrian how to move around the home
33:05
Speaker 1: with that and able to avoid being seen on the cameras. Now,
33:09
Speaker 1: the one thing they did not account for it was
33:11
Speaker 1: that alarm going off due to the gunshots being loud
33:14
Speaker 1: enough to trigger that glass break alarm, so that if
33:17
Speaker 1: they hadn't if that hadn't happened, they probably would have
33:21
Speaker 1: never had a timeline, never had alarm records. They would
33:25
Speaker 1: have just had maybe the boss saying he went in
33:27
Speaker 1: through the basement. Someone broke into the basement.
33:29
Speaker 2: He would have never showed up.
33:30
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he would never even had to come. He
33:31
Speaker 1: had to come up with that all last minute. That's
33:33
Speaker 1: where he sucked.
33:33
Speaker 2: It was the alarm company call.
33:35
Speaker 1: Yes, that's where he screwed.
33:35
Speaker 2: You just continued DJ until five thirty and came up and.
33:39
Speaker 1: Be like, I don't know that's true. He would have
33:41
Speaker 1: just came home and everything would have been ended, probably.
33:43
Speaker 2: Found his two year old in the bed trying to
33:45
Speaker 2: wake my mom up for us.
33:47
Speaker 1: That's disturbing, and possibly the older one too. So anyway,
33:51
Speaker 1: so again, this alarm situation is what really got them
33:57
Speaker 1: now and then in the end both were found guilty
33:58
Speaker 1: of Tiffany's murder. Both men received life sentences without the
34:02
Speaker 1: possibility of pearl. Now investigators are also looking into the
34:07
Speaker 1: possibility that these two were involved with that unsold murder
34:10
Speaker 1: of the other DJ at club. This sounds like some
34:13
Speaker 1: shady shit that these two would try to do. And
34:15
Speaker 1: apparently they're to take.
34:17
Speaker 2: Over his slot, so they didn't have so DJ awesome
34:20
Speaker 2: could make more money.
34:20
Speaker 1: Well, they might have done something similar with that one
34:22
Speaker 1: and they got away with it. They're like, oh, well,
34:24
Speaker 1: we can do this to Tiffany and get away with it.
34:27
Speaker 1: But they just did not factor.
34:29
Speaker 2: I mean, that would be really stupid though, if they
34:31
Speaker 2: did kill that DJ, and then they'd be like, oh,
34:34
Speaker 2: somebody killed that DJ, and that might have been who
34:36
Speaker 2: killed this is my wife? But they also but andre's
34:40
Speaker 2: not the brightest, Okay.
34:43
Speaker 1: I take that back. They still would have got caught
34:45
Speaker 1: even without the alarm going off because they would have
34:49
Speaker 1: had video surveillance of that car. They still would have
34:51
Speaker 1: talked to Tiffany's dad, they still would have found out
34:54
Speaker 1: about the second phone. They still would have ran the records,
34:56
Speaker 1: and they still would have matched them up. So no,
34:58
Speaker 1: they still would have got caught. Went out the alarm,
35:01
Speaker 1: the alarm just threw a hole. I mean, maybe he
35:05
Speaker 1: could have got home and got rid of that. Maybe
35:07
Speaker 1: the plan was to get home and get rid of
35:08
Speaker 1: the security footage if anything was on there, because you
35:11
Speaker 1: know they've done that before where they're like, oh, well,
35:13
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened the exact time that she
35:15
Speaker 1: was being murdered. The security system glitch.
35:18
Speaker 2: Just yes, yeah, you don't want to do that. That's Aaron
35:20
Speaker 2: Hernandez tried that shit.
35:23
Speaker 1: Oh is that what happened with that?
35:24
Speaker 2: Well when he killed his buddy? Yeah, see all his
35:27
Speaker 2: cameras mysteriously went out at that time.
35:29
Speaker 1: See I need to re I watched that documentary a
35:31
Speaker 1: while ago, and I need to rewatch it because that's crazy.
35:35
Speaker 1: They did last podcast and left, just did Aaron Hernandez.
35:39
Speaker 1: So anyways, did that out?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? They stole my idea?
35:43
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, where did he kill somebody? What state?
35:48
Speaker 2: Wherever he lived?
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Speaker 1: So not in the South? No, okay, well then it's
35:52
Speaker 1: not our story.
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Speaker 2: I would guess I would be out there in the
35:55
Speaker 2: New England area where he played the Patriots. Yes, he
35:59
Speaker 2: was still a Patriot. He actually went into the next
36:01
Speaker 2: season under suspicion until they actually did arrest.
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Speaker 1: Like we really need to win the Super Bowl, let's
36:07
Speaker 1: let him play. He's really good, maybe like Tom Brady's
36:11
Speaker 1: be like, well, it's fine. Did he really really need.
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Speaker 2: To uh slow the investigation down?
36:18
Speaker 1: Yes, until he's old.
36:19
Speaker 2: And retire till postseason?
36:23
Speaker 1: All right? Do you have a yelling Jesus for us?
36:25
Speaker 2: Of course I do always have a.
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Speaker 1: We have nine minutes to finish this. Are you ready?
36:29
Speaker 2: You don't put me on the time. Will nobody puts
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Speaker 2: baby in a corner? Yes? I do. This story is very,
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Speaker 2: very infuriating for upstanding persons like myself, of good moral fiber.
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Speaker 1: Oh god, Jesus, what, yes, what? Just tell the stories.
36:51
Speaker 1: I've got to stop interrupting you. Okay, that's alright, that's
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Speaker 1: what everybody keeps telling me. I'll let you just talk.
36:57
Speaker 2: You need to shut up. New York Post published July third,
37:01
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, from Caitlin McCormick, a one hundred sixty
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Speaker 2: seven point three million dollar power ball winner age fifty.
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Speaker 2: Oh god, is exposed as a career criminal who spent
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Speaker 2: thirty years in jail before striking it rich.
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Speaker 1: Oh now this pisses me off too, because we were
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Speaker 1: supposed to win that money.
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Speaker 2: Yes, well, no, that's not that money, not the billion.
37:26
Speaker 2: Oh this guy just he won a mirror one hundred
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Speaker 2: and sixty seven point.
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Speaker 1: Three million still one hundred yeah, Oh my.
37:34
Speaker 2: God, I don't know if that was lone.
37:36
Speaker 1: If I get if if someone could just give me
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Speaker 1: like two million dollars, that would just like set me
37:41
Speaker 1: for life, I'd be okay, you think I would invest
37:43
Speaker 1: it properly.
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Speaker 2: You're bad with money, though, Why I like Andre He's
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Speaker 2: flushed with cash and mugshots. The winner of Kentucky's largest
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Speaker 2: lottery jackpot, who was arrested in Florida days after claiming
37:57
Speaker 2: his riches, has a sixteen page rap sheet and a
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Speaker 2: decade's long criminal history, earning him a jaw dropping collection
38:05
Speaker 2: of booking photos along the way. James Shannon Farthing has
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Speaker 2: spent thirty of his fifty years alive behind bars at
38:15
Speaker 2: twenty five different correctional institutions before he, along with his
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Speaker 2: mother and his girlfriend, claimed that one hundred and sixty
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Speaker 2: seven point three million dollar powerball jackpot in April.
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Speaker 1: Well, that girlfriend is she better slock in her stuff
38:30
Speaker 1: because he's going eno back in jail. It doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: how much money. People don't d angel Oh, I was
38:36
Speaker 1: about to say, people don't change if you're a career
38:38
Speaker 1: criminal like that, and that's what you do. That's why
38:41
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to rehabilitate some people because look at him.
38:46
Speaker 1: He was just giving all his money. So you're thinking, oh,
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Speaker 1: money's going to fix it all. But money's just going
38:50
Speaker 1: to make the If you're already bad at managing life,
38:53
Speaker 1: you're just going to be ten times worse with a
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Speaker 1: bunch of money. Like giving you money is a go
38:58
Speaker 1: to solve the problem exactly.
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Speaker 2: The career criminal turned overnight millionaire has racked up convictions
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Speaker 2: across nine counties in Kentucky for a litany of offenses,
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Speaker 2: including choking a girlfriend, bribing officers while in prison, and
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Speaker 2: selling cocaine to an undercover cop. According to the report.
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Speaker 1: The low one I'm really mad about is the choking.
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Speaker 2: The girlfriend, the low life string. This was that thing,
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Speaker 2: you know, consistent crime. Well, he wouldn't get charged for it.
39:27
Speaker 2: I wouldn't guess a bad person if she was into
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Speaker 2: that of the low.
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Speaker 1: Live string joke in foretaste, I know.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what we do here. Can you quit an
39:39
Speaker 2: interrupt on me?
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Speaker 1: Yes, you can go on?
39:41
Speaker 2: Are you sure? Yes, I'm gonna tell.
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Speaker 1: Who are you gonna tell? Stuart? They already know what's happening.
39:50
Speaker 1: I'm not interrupting you to stop you though, I'm interrupting
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Speaker 1: you to like say, okay. The only thing I disagree
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent with this is choking the girlfriend.
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Speaker 2: The low life string of consistent time started when he
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Speaker 2: was just a teenager, with the rest on charges ranging
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Speaker 2: from thefth to reckless driving. He was only able to
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Speaker 2: complete ten years of formal schooling and earn his ged
40:12
Speaker 2: in prison. In his later years, Farthing up the ante
40:15
Speaker 2: as he started dealing in drugs, even roping in his
40:19
Speaker 2: mother and on a scheme to smuggle marijuana into a
40:22
Speaker 2: maximum security facility.
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Speaker 1: Well that's where we know why he is the way
40:26
Speaker 1: he is, because probably how he was raised. If she's
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Speaker 1: in on the whole, or.
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Speaker 2: He's a good boy.
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Speaker 1: A good boy, he's just a little guy.
40:35
Speaker 2: Farthing accepted a plea deal that absolved his what I
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Speaker 2: guess his mother's name is grizzle and he was sentenced
40:42
Speaker 2: to ten years. No whatold hope that would be?
40:45
Speaker 1: Last name, even last name is not great Grizzle.
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Speaker 2: The old Grizzle. Even in the slammer, Farthing couldn't keep
40:52
Speaker 2: out of trouble. He was frequently placed and administrative segregation
40:57
Speaker 2: after doing things like smuggling in a variety you have
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Speaker 2: drug and there are alcohol paraphernalia into the prison and
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Speaker 2: charging inmates to return items he stole from them like
41:08
Speaker 2: a bullet on a school yard playground.
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Speaker 1: I mean he's a little funny. Okay, he's a little funny.
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Speaker 2: The tatted up criminal was frequently denied parole in part
41:18
Speaker 2: because of his seemingly infinite offenses with few signs of stoppings,
41:23
Speaker 2: and the rare cases he was granted parole, he'd lose
41:25
Speaker 2: it just as quickly for violating terms upon his release.
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Speaker 1: Way, what happened to three strikes? Is that only in
41:31
Speaker 1: California or something it was.
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Speaker 2: I don't even know if they have it anymore.
41:36
Speaker 1: I mean, twenty five strikes should definitely be overall.
41:39
Speaker 2: You think, yes, well, he would lose his parole to
41:42
Speaker 2: things like testing positives for drugs like marijuanica, marijuanica marijuana.
41:49
Speaker 1: I don't know about that one, but.
41:50
Speaker 2: Well, you can't do drugs. You can't drink or do anything.
41:53
Speaker 2: You can't drink.
41:54
Speaker 1: Because apparently probably bad things when you're under the influencer things.
41:59
Speaker 2: Farthing is apparently has been well documented in his countless mugshots,
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Speaker 2: showing the transition from his baby face, clean shaven days
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Speaker 2: to the more recent time sporting a gray goatee and
42:10
Speaker 2: packing a few extra pounds. Damn, they're saying he's obese.
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Speaker 1: No, it's like the like the shoot the boo.
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Speaker 2: Yes, his newfound wealth has not stopped his annex. Three
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Speaker 2: days after cashing in with his seventy seven year old mother,
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Speaker 2: Linda Grizzle, and girlfriend Jacqueline fight Master, there's a name
42:29
Speaker 2: right there, he was arrested in the Sunshine State after
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Speaker 2: allegedly slugging another guest in the face and kicking a
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Speaker 2: deputy that tried to intervene. Farthing also violated his parole
42:41
Speaker 2: when he left Kentucky without notifying his parole officer he
42:45
Speaker 2: was required to because of his lengthy criminal record. Kara
42:50
Speaker 2: Farthing was just freed from a Kentucky jail last week,
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Speaker 2: according to Kentucky Parole Board, but now has to face
42:56
Speaker 2: charges from the Florida fight a Silver A sliver of
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Speaker 2: his lottery winnings was put toward his eleven thousand dollars baill.
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Speaker 2: He pleaded not guilty in a scheduled for my damn
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Speaker 2: stupid phone just refreshed to the top of the page. Okay,
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Speaker 2: this is about.
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Speaker 1: To piss mel Okay, would you like me to cut
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Speaker 1: the feet? No?
43:23
Speaker 2: He played a not guilty scheduled July fourteenth, where he
43:26
Speaker 2: could face up to five years in prison for the
43:28
Speaker 2: remaining battery count on the jet on the deputy attack alone.
43:34
Speaker 1: And then he'll be back in jail again when he
43:36
Speaker 1: gets out of that. It doesn't matter how much money
43:38
Speaker 1: he gets.
43:38
Speaker 2: But he won't have to worry about his commissary. No,
43:41
Speaker 2: he'll be flushed.
43:42
Speaker 1: Well, he don't. He don't have access to that money, though.
43:45
Speaker 2: I'm sure he can have an attorney put money in
43:47
Speaker 2: his commissary for him.
43:48
Speaker 1: Was he smart enough to set that up before he
43:50
Speaker 1: went into jail.
43:51
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's got an attorney plead in his case
43:53
Speaker 2: for him.
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Speaker 1: Attorney's like, hey, I'll take care of that one hundred
43:57
Speaker 1: and sixteen million. So but he bought the ticket with the.
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Speaker 2: Other two, they said, so they got to split it
44:01
Speaker 2: through ways. I don't know if that was the lumps
44:03
Speaker 2: I payout they got or if that was the before.
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Speaker 1: Well, hopefully the girlfriend is a good person and then
44:08
Speaker 1: this would be her her payment for putting up with
44:11
Speaker 1: his ass for however, Exacquly fight Master is that her name?
44:16
Speaker 1: That was?
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Speaker 2: That's what I said. You weren't even I.
44:18
Speaker 1: Wasn't paying attention at that point. I was looking at
44:20
Speaker 1: the clock and was like, oh, you got two minutes left.
44:23
Speaker 2: So yes, I can do a lot and too.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well that's our case for this week
44:28
Speaker 1: out of Georgia, and man, I can't leave. Those people
44:30
Speaker 1: want all that money and too, I hate them.
44:34
Speaker 2: Well maybe you ought to talk good about them. Maybe
44:36
Speaker 2: they'll give us a little bit.
44:38
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, apparently the mother is gullible, so we might
44:43
Speaker 1: be able to trick her into doing something.
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Speaker 2: Keller, we got a cure for something out if I
44:49
Speaker 2: won the.
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Speaker 1: If we won the lattery, I wouldn't tell anybody. I
44:53
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell anybody.
44:54
Speaker 2: You probably wouldn't tell me. You just wouldn't be home
44:55
Speaker 2: one day.
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Speaker 1: No, if we won the lottery, we wouldn't. We wouldn't
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Speaker 1: tell anybody until I would never tell anybody because I
45:04
Speaker 1: would not want to be harassed for money. For all
45:06
Speaker 1: of eternity. My side of the family is sketchy, so
45:12
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody on your side of the family
45:14
Speaker 1: would ask for money.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure I would find out.
45:17
Speaker 1: Some people like the woodworks would come out relatives. I
45:20
Speaker 1: don't even need mine to come out of the woodworks. Though.
45:23
Speaker 1: They're just they're they're they're.
45:25
Speaker 2: They're part of the wood they are the wood every
45:28
Speaker 2: daymish in the Wood.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so we would do We would definitely be harassed
45:33
Speaker 1: for sure on my side of the family.
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Speaker 2: And then I just need twenty dollars for gas money.
45:39
Speaker 1: Do you seed twenty million dollars guys? Anyways? All right,
45:43
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45:45
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Speaker 2: Bye Steve. Don't you know it's bad to be supersticious?
46:14
Speaker 2: Mind nothing else. It's working and my hand it's really learning,
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