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Joe Rogan Experience _2402 - Miranda Lambert · NO FILTER

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Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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I hate it about the desk. The desk is a
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mess because my mind is a mess. I wish my
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mind was a mess.
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Speaker 1: You're a creative. That's how it works.
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Speaker 2: Is that how it works?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
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Speaker 2: Is that the excuse we use? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make myself feel better.
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Speaker 2: I think that's the excuse we use for each other.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm a creative. It's my go-to default.
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Speaker 2: Is the compression on? Something sounds weird. Oh, it's just
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really loud. Something happened? Maybe my ears got better? What happened?
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Speaker 1: You can hear now? My ears aren't very good.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I, you know, when I'm underwater for too long
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or I swim or something like that, and then I
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forget that my ears have water in them, and then
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they come out like, oh, there's that moment where like, oh,
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this is how I hear.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I have the in-ear monitors for my job.
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Speaker 2: Oh, right.
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Speaker 1: I still, like, I've been using them for, I don't know,
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20 years. I'm still not used to them. Like, I
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come from, like, honky-tonk world where, You can hear everything?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Hear the room?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's so good that people have them now because, boy,
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so many people I know from back in the day
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are almost deaf.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I'm so glad we have them. It's not
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the same. I mean, you don't feel the energy of
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the room, but it saved your hearing.
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Speaker 3: Which is helpful.
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Speaker 2: It's a good trade-off. You can hear enough. It's a
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good trade-off. And so many of my friends who shoot guns, too,
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same thing. They started hunting when they were kids and
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no ear protection back then and You know, you say
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something to them and they're like, what? Like, they're all
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half deaf. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: My dad is a police officer and he's– I swear
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that's why my parents are still married.
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Speaker 3: Because he can't hear at all.
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Speaker 1: And the dog ate his hearing aid and he never
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replaced it. And I'm like, is that on purpose, Dad?
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Speaker 2: That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Yeah, you definitely develop an ability
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to shut things off. Yeah. Otherwise– Men and women think
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and communicate differently. And if you want your wife to
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communicate with you the way your buddies do, then, well,
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you married a dude. Yeah. Okay? So if you want
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to be married to a woman, you have to, like,
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listen and everything.
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Speaker 1: With both ears.
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Speaker 2: And sometimes it's like a roundabout journey to get to
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the point and you can't go, what the fuck are
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you talking about? Because then you're like, oh, my God,
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why are you so hostile? So you have to go, okay.
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Speaker 1: Selective hearing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Selective hearing.
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Speaker 1: But my husband will like, I'll say it. And I'll
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be like, say it back to me. And like, and
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I found that when I do that, it's worse. I'm like,
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say what I said back to you. Get bananas at
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the store. So he comes home like, where's bananas? I
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didn't get any.
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Speaker 3: So don't repeat it. Just hold it in there.
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Speaker 2: That's hilarious. He blocked it out for himself.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: That's very funny. Yeah. The hearing thing is kind of
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nuts that no one knew. Like, it just makes you wonder. Like,
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when did people... I wonder when people were aware that, like,
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loud music was going to kill your hearing.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Like, just.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've had the in-ears for a long time,
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and they did save all of our ears. But it's like,
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I think that... And then, like, the longer you go, like, still,
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even though I have those, like, I turn them up
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way too loud.
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Speaker 2: Oh, do you?
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Speaker 1: Because I'm, like, missing... Right. The energy.
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Speaker 2: Do you ever just say, fuck it for this show?
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Speaker 1: Take one out. Like sometimes when it's like a house band,
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you just get to use wedges. I'm like, yes, this
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is amazing.
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Speaker 2: What's a wedge?
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Speaker 1: It's just like the little on-stage monitor. Oh. You know
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what I mean?
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Speaker 2: Right, right, right.
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Speaker 1: But it's just so loud. I mean, it's so loud.
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And I also do mounted shooting. I saw that.
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Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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Speaker 1: And so it's a good reminder. Like the first time
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I took off on the first– I just started it
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last year. I'm not good at all, but I love it.
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And I took off on my horse and I forgot
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to wear earplugs. And I was like, well, I'm a musician.
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I should probably plug my ears when I'm shooting a
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revolver off of a horse. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But is it a revolver using a regular bullet? No.
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Speaker 1: It's black powder.
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Speaker 2: Just the powder itself? Yep.
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Speaker 3: So it's spectator safe, horse safe.
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Speaker 2: So it just sprays.
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Speaker 1: Powder and air? At the balloon.
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Speaker 2: And pops balloons? Yeah. What distance?
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Speaker 1: It could shoot, I think, 15 meters.
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Speaker 2: Yards? Feet. Feet. Oh, okay. So you're just riding around
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on the horse popping balloons. Uh-huh. I love it.
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Speaker 3: I do.
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Speaker 2: What was the origin of that sport?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, actually. One of my best friends, her
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name is Kenda Lonsane, and she lives out in Scottsdale.
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She's like the 10-time world champion.
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Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, hold on. There's a world championship of popping
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balloons on a horse? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's called mounted shooting. Cowboy mounted shooting, but she's cowgirl,
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and she's like, guys, girls, everybody, she's a badass.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I became friends with her, and I just never had
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the guts to go do it.
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Speaker 3: You know?
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Speaker 1: And finally, my husband was like, stop talking about it
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and go out there and do it. Go out there
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and shoot with her. You're going to love it.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: And I got addicted immediately. It's just like something different.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's very Wild West, right? Oh, yeah. It's essentially
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training how to fight with a gun on a horse. Yeah.
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That's all it is.
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Speaker 1: Except it's the balloon is the perpetrator.
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Speaker 2: But, I mean, that's how you would train, right? Yeah,
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it's super fun. Without killing people.
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Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, just something that, like, started
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a new hobby at 40 like it's just try to
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like preoccupy my mind and and I don't know I
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think it inspires me to like take a break from
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thinking about what I think about every single day which
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is music industry you know so just like trying new
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things and saying what the hell let's go for it
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I think.
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Speaker 2: That's very good for artists I I try to talk
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to comedians about that all the time I'm like pick
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up something man yeah like hobbies are important play golf
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go fishing go Do something. For me, I play pool.
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Do something.
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Speaker 1: I just started golf, too. I'm in my try new
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things era.
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Speaker 2: There you go. Your try new things era.
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Speaker 3: Yes, my yes era. Like, sure, I'll do it.
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Speaker 1: Started golf. Not too great yet, but I did. I
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just played the Ryder Cup.
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Speaker 2: Oh, nice.
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Speaker 1: They had like a celebrity. Somebody heard I played golf,
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and when they heard that, I literally started.
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Speaker 3: Like that day.
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Speaker 2: Jamie's a nut. Jamie's a full-on golf nut.
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Speaker 1: Literally was like cramming my ass off like this September
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because I was on tour all summer and I didn't
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have time to practice. And you know how that feels
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like golf is you have to practice.
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Speaker 2: Do you have a coach?
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Speaker 1: I had a coach, yes. Dan, I have a coach.
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And he came with me as my caddy.
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Speaker 3: Very helpful.
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Speaker 1: But it was an experience. It was a lot of pressure.
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Speaker 2: Did you feel it even though nobody expected you to win? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I just felt like, what the hell have
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I done when I got there? It's like doing something
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you don't do in front of people.
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Speaker 2: Right. A lot of people. But you do it, you
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just don't do it a lot.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't do things in front of people,
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but it's singing.
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Speaker 2: You do things in front of people and you're really
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good at it. That's the difference.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing.
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Speaker 1: Doing something that you suck at in front of people
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is a very scary place to be.
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Speaker 2: Right, right. Jamie has OJ Simpson's golf clubs.
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Speaker 1: A couple of them.
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Speaker 2: Not all of them. I have a few. How many
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do you have? It's not really awesome at all. They're haunted.
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Speaker 1: Whatever you're into.
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Speaker 2: How many you got? Three? No, I mean, I got
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a whole set. Do you use them? I have used
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one of them.
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Speaker 3: Did you hit well?
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Speaker 2: I have. That's why I use it.
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Speaker 1: Why are they bluster cars?
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Speaker 2: Well, he bought it as a goof. Yeah, it's just
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fun to talk about. It's a fun conversation starter. It
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came up. Did you get them after he died? Yeah,
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I got them like six months ago. I forgot. I
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forgot when he died. A couple years ago.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's cool.
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Speaker 2: I mean, hey. I got it. I guess. But it
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is really important having some kind of a thing that
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you do to take your mind off of the business.
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Because the people that I know where their mind is
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only on show business, whatever it is, music, comedy, whatever
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it is, they go crazy. You can eventually get lost
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in your own little world. Yeah. You need a little break.
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You do.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's like, you know, especially if you're
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like a writer, you got to go live to write
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about it. Or what are you writing about? Same shit
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you already said.
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Speaker 2: Right. Right.
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Speaker 1: It's like I need to go. live a life and
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gather information and be around different people and sort of
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open my circle up to just, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Different experiences. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: A different environment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. My friend Ari does that. He disappears for like
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three months every year and a half or so. Like
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he gets rid of his phone, gets rid of his email.
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Speaker 1: He like goes off grid.
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Speaker 2: Oh, he goes off grid. He goes to Asia. He
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backpacks through Asia and he's famous. He's a famous comedian
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and he doesn't give a fuck. He just goes and
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vanishes for like, we can't find him. No one knows
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where he is. I don't hear from him for like three,
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four months. I just hope he's alive.
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Speaker 1: Does it change him? Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: He comes back weird. He's weird already. He's weird as fuck. Weirder.
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He's weirder when he comes back because he's, you know,
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been living in foreign countries for, you know, a long time.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not... I mean, I'm just shooting balloons and
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swinging a golf club. Nothing as cool as that.
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Speaker 2: But the thing you're doing, the thing about both of
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those things is they require all of your focus while
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you're doing. I mean, if you're riding a giant animal
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while you're shooting a gun, like there's no room for
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thinking about, oh, I got to do laundry. You know,
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there's no room. You just you're just doing that thing only.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what that's what I think I loved about
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it and got addicted to, you know, and I guess
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I don't really have. I always say I don't have, like,
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an adrenaline junkie in me, but I guess I have
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to have a little bit for joining the circus like
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I do.
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Speaker 2: You know? Like, yes, you do. It's kind of joining
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the circus. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So, but, like, I think that just that little, the
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focus and the little jolt that you get of, like,
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you know, the same kind of high we get, like,
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after a show.
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Speaker 2: You know? Right.
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Speaker 1: I still guess I need that, but just in a
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different form.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Joining the rodeo. There's something about shooting at things, too.
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I do archery, and there's something about shooting at things
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that also just really cleans your mind. Because in that
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moment while you're pulling the trigger, there's no room for
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anything else. If you're trying to hit a target, there's
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no room for anything else. And it just pushes all
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that stuff away. It gives you a little mental vacation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%.
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Speaker 2: And then you come back cleaner.
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Speaker 1: What kind of bow are you shooting?
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Speaker 2: I shoot a compound bow.
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Speaker 1: Compound bow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Hoyt. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I used to shoot bows. I haven't in a long time.
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Speaker 2: Oh, really?
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Speaker 1: I got them back out during 2020. Went out all
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the time in the world. And my husband's from New
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York City. So I was like, I've got these bows.
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I'll teach you how to shoot a bow. So we
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just set up the targets and got them all fixed up.
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And it was fun. I mean, it is fun. It's
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the same thing I think you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: It's very similar.
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Speaker 1: It's focused. It's just, even if it's just for a
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little while, it's that little moment in time that this
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is all I'm doing right now.
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Speaker 2: Right. Have you ever bow hunted?
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Speaker 1: I used to be a hunter.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yep, I did. I hunted for a long time. My dad.
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Speaker 2: Tree stand? Yep. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Or ground blind, either way.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Bow hunting was my absolute favorite to do because it
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took the focus and it was intimate.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And it took a lot of skill and practice.
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Speaker 2: Certainly bow hunting.
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Speaker 1: To make sure you're going to, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Whitetail?
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Speaker 1: Whitetail. Oh, nice. But I raised a baby deer. A buck.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a problem. Yep. That's a problem.
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Speaker 1: So my hunting days are behind me. He's on my heart.
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Speaker 2: We found a buck with a broken leg on our property,
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and my wife took to feeding it. Yeah. And all
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of her enthusiasm for me hunting kind of went out
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the window.
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Speaker 1: It changes things.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's kind of like a dog.
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Speaker 1: He was just like a dog.
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Speaker 2: They're sweet. They come right up to you.
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Speaker 1: Wild-ass whitetail deer became like my pet.
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Speaker 2: And it's different than any other feral animal in that
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they domesticate like that.
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Speaker 1: They really do. Like he was literally, I'd come home
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and he would run over to me like a dog.
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So definitely changed my mind.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's because they're dumb, unfortunately. I think
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nature has them set up to be not very intelligent
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and just food. Yeah. You know, and he's a beautiful
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food thing. Yeah. That's really what they are.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. My dad, my dad, you know, I grew up
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hunting with him, like taught me how to shoot a
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gun and all that stuff at 17. And when I
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raised that buck, he was like, it's over, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's over.
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Speaker 1: It's over. It's over.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll never raise a baby elk, I'll tell you that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't do it.
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Speaker 2: I don't like elk hunting too much. Yeah. But I
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get it. I mean, we have deer in our neighborhood
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and I see these little cute babies that are born
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every year. And, you know, we stop the car. Oh,
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my God.
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Speaker 1: Especially in Texas. They're everywhere.
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Speaker 2: Everywhere.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's not any predators out here because you
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just shoot them. Yeah. So there's like these deer all
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over the place. Yeah. And they're just super. Unless they
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get hit by a car. I don't know what happens.
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Speaker 1: They're like not affected.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Anymore.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: No. But they are beautiful. And it's just. It's cool
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to have animals around. Just, it's cool to be at
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least in some kind of form of nature.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm such an animal lover. I mean, I don't
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do well. Like, that's why I brought your dog toys.
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I'm like, I just, I just, I don't know. It's
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part of like who I am is to have, especially dogs.
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Like that's my heart, but.
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Speaker 2: Me too.
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Speaker 1: I have a foundation called Mutt Nation Foundation. I started
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with my mom in 2009 and. so far we've raised
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over 11 million dollars since then for it was like
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a little mom and pop operation back in the day
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but um but we just it just has been my
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heart since i was a little girl i think growing
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up in the country where there's just animals everywhere whether
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it's deer or stray dogs or stray cats or whatever
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i think it just kind of prepped me for you
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know when when you like get a platform and someone's
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like what do you want your charity to be it's
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like oh i know what it's going to be.
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Speaker 2: So what does your charity do.
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Speaker 1: We rescue well we advocate for rescue um Mutt Nation Foundation,
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we don't have shelters. We lift up the arms of
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shelters is what we say because my mom and dad
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were private investigators my whole life. And so my mom, like,
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just because we started rescuing dogs just when I was
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a little girl, you know, you live in the country,
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people dump them off and whatever. Started adopting some from
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the shelter as a teenager and volunteering. And so, you know,
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she sort of started vetting shelters just because that's her background,
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you know, checking up on people, make sure they're doing
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what they're supposed to. And, um, and so like 2009,
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it was like, oh, I kind of started to get
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a name for myself and you need to pick something
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that you're passionate about that you want to give back to.
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So we started it. Um, and basically we advocate for
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spay and neuter. We advocate for adopt, don't shop. And we, um,
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raise money to give to shelters all over the country.
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Every year we give a $ 5, 000 grant to a shelter
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in every state, um, and try to not repeat. So
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there's just so many that need help you know and
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there's so many amazing animals out there we just try
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to remind people there's amazing animals out there that you
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don't have to go buy one there's if my my.
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Speaker 2: Wife is allergic and one of my daughters are allergic
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you still have two dogs but if i if that
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wasn't the case i'd have like 50.
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Speaker 1: Dogs i can't but yours are not non-shedders what's that
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yours are shedders though.
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Speaker 2: Right yeah they shed yeah that you know you just
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keep them clean She's not nearly as bad as when
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I first met her. When I first met her, she
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really would get like hives if she pet the dogs.
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But also, I was not that good at washing my dogs.
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And they're always in the yard playing around and they're
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always dirty. Yeah. But if you don't have dogs, dogs
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are like extra love. Your love in your life will
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be whatever the level's at now, it'll be like 35% higher.
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I 100% agree. For sure.
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Speaker 1: I'm allergic to everything I love. Horses, cats, dogs.
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Speaker 2: You're allergic to horses? All of it. That's crazy.
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Speaker 1: I live on Allegra. Wow, that's crazy. I'm just like
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popping Allegra to enjoy my life, but I don't care.
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Speaker 3: It's worth it.
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Speaker 2: One of my daughters is so allergic that we went
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to Rome once and we were on this horse driven.
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They have like these tourist things you do. You sit
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in the back of a wagon. The horse drags around
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the city. And just being downwind of the horse. Her
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eyes were swelling up. We had to get off the
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horse and walk the rest of the way. And we
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had to find a pharmacy. It's terrible. Oh, it's bad.
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She's got it bad.
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Speaker 1: Did she do shots or anything?
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Speaker 2: She did that. She did the whole thing. But they
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hated it. And when my wife stopped doing shots, then
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all of her allergies got way better. And she was
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doing shots because Texas has a lot of allergens. A
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lot of people that come from places like California have
16:22
You don't realize it. You come here and then you
16:25
get whammied with like.
16:28
Speaker 1: I was sneezing all the way over here because I
16:29
just landed.
16:30
Speaker 2: You get them too? You get them too?
16:32
Speaker 1: I just like, I live in Nashville half the time
16:35
and Austin half the time. And I, it's like the two,
16:38
two of the worst places for allergies.
16:40
Speaker 2: I'm like. Oh, are they really?
16:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. It doesn't matter.
16:42
Speaker 2: I mean. I didn't know that Austin was that bad.
16:45
And I didn't get them at all until really probably
16:47
last year.
16:48
Speaker 1: How long have y'all been here?
16:49
Speaker 2: Five years. Almost six. So, like, no, five. So, like,
16:54
last year I started getting sore throats. And I was like,
16:56
am I getting sick? What the fuck is going on?
16:58
Then I went to Vegas for the UFC. No sore throat.
17:01
Speaker 1: You're fine.
17:02
Speaker 2: Came back, sore throat again. I'm like, oh, damn it.
17:04
It's an allergy. It's an irritation. Because it didn't make
17:08
any sense. I was like, I feel good. I feel, like,
17:10
really healthy. But, like, this thing in my throat is
17:14
bugging me. I'm like, maybe I've just got to be careful.
17:16
Maybe I'm fighting off a cold. Because I didn't want
17:18
to admit it. I was like, everybody else is getting allergies.
17:20
I'm not getting them.
17:21
Speaker 1: But it makes sense if you're not used to the
17:23
trees and the grass here. I mean, it's a whole
17:26
new ecosystem that you have to get used to.
17:29
Speaker 2: But the weird thing, they say it takes like three
17:31
years before it hits you. And I was like, shut up.
17:33
That doesn't make any sense. But it's true. I've never
17:35
heard that. Yeah, it's true. It seems to be true.
17:37
It seems to get you after like three years.
17:39
Speaker 1: So what do you do about it?
17:40
Speaker 2: Nothing. Just deal with it. I figure my body's going
17:43
to adapt. I feel like if I just let my
17:46
body deal with whatever these allergens are and understand what
17:48
they are. It'll figure it out. I took a lot
17:50
of vitamins. It'll be fine. Yeah. And it seems to
17:53
be better. Like this year I got like a couple
17:55
sniffles a few days in a row where I was
17:57
like thinking I had a cold and then I realized
17:59
it was high something mold or fucking cedar or whatever
18:04
the hell it is.
18:05
Speaker 1: You just didn't have to pay attention to it before.
18:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess. But whatever that is, all the positives
18:12
about living here like greatly outweigh it. Yeah.
18:15
Speaker 1: I love it too.
18:16
Speaker 2: This place rules.
18:17
Speaker 3: It does.
18:17
Speaker 1: I'm glad y'all are here. You came in 2020 then, right?
18:20
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
18:21
Speaker 1: My little brother lives here and his husband, Mark, and
18:24
he went to UT and never came home. Our little town, Lindale, Texas,
18:27
representing today.
18:28
Speaker 2: Nice.
18:30
Speaker 1: It's about 80 miles east of Dallas. And so I
18:32
bought a place here in 2017 and spend a lot
18:35
of time in Austin.
18:36
Speaker 2: It's great.
18:37
Speaker 1: It's a great town.
18:38
Speaker 2: I mean, we should probably stop talking about how great
18:40
it is because people want to move here. Yeah.
18:42
Speaker 1: It's not that great.
18:43
Speaker 3: There's a lot of allergies, guys.
18:44
Speaker 1: Yeah.
18:45
Speaker 2: Guys, stay home. Don't sneeze. I talked to a lot
18:47
of people that are moving here, and I think I'm
18:48
done talking to people. Yeah. It's like, we're good.
18:51
Speaker 1: Well, Nashville's our other city that that's happening to, but,
18:54
you know, the more the merrier, really.
18:56
Speaker 2: Well, the thing about Austin is, like, it wasn't really
18:59
much of a comedy scene. There was one comedy club
19:02
that closed before I moved here. It had already closed, like,
19:05
before the pandemic. Okay. And I guess like at the
19:08
beginning of the pandemic, it went under. And so the
19:12
comedy scene here was kind of empty. And, you know,
19:15
when we moved here and we started doing shows here,
19:17
it was one of the only places in the country
19:18
we could do live indoor shows. And we were like,
19:21
fuck it. And then comedians just started moving here because
19:24
they were convinced that L.A. was never going to open.
19:26
And once I was here and Ron White was here,
19:29
Tony Hinchcliffe was here. Everybody was like, well, let's fuck it.
19:33
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Speaker 1: That's great. I, I, my first show back, um, I
21:12
think it was after like 332 days.
21:14
Speaker 2: Whoa.
21:16
Speaker 1: Of no shows, no bus rides.
21:18
Speaker 2: What did it feel like?
21:19
Speaker 1: It was at Billy Bob's in Fort Worth. Cause like
21:22
you said, Texas was like, what COVID?
21:25
Speaker 3: We're going to go do stuff. We're going to honky
21:27
tonk right now.
21:28
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:28
Speaker 1: So it was, we did a little residency at Billy Bob's.
21:31
Speaker 2: Nice.
21:31
Speaker 1: We did five shows.
21:33
Speaker 3: Did you get COVID?
21:35
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:35
Speaker 1: I mean, but I had it before I had, I had,
21:37
I had it before we even knew what it was.
21:39
It's on the road. Like, I was around so many people.
21:41
I was on tour. And before we knew it, it was.
21:44
I had this thing, like, none of my tricks worked with. Like,
21:47
all my singer tricks, like, steroid shot, B12, IV, vocal rest. Like,
21:52
just couldn't shake it. And then a month later, it's like, oh,
21:56
that's because it's something real bad.
21:59
Speaker 2: We've never heard of.
21:59
Speaker 3: I had to cancel shows. It was terrible.
22:02
Speaker 1: But the first show back was, I had five in
22:04
a row. But the first one was, like, just rowdy
22:08
and like so old school honky tonk feeling. And like,
22:11
I was crying. It was just, it was a cool moment.
22:14
Speaker 2: It feels weird, right?
22:15
Speaker 1: It was good to miss it though.
22:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
22:18
Speaker 1: It was really good to miss it. I, you know,
22:21
I never had a chance to, I never stopped country music,
22:24
especially like we just don't, we just tour year round,
22:27
weekend warriors, make a record, tour it for two years,
22:30
do it again, repeat, rinse, repeat. And I've been doing
22:33
this since I was 17. So like just years and
22:35
years of not, knowing if I could miss it, just,
22:40
you know, grinding. And I did. I mean, I was like, dang,
22:44
I missed my bus. I missed the road, which I
22:47
wasn't sure would happen.
22:49
Speaker 2: Right, because it's so grating.
22:52
Speaker 1: It is.
22:52
Speaker 2: It's hard.
22:53
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I was happy to be back. But
22:57
now it's back harder than ever. It's like just, you know,
23:02
it's a different– It hits different after 40. You don't
23:06
recover as quickly.
23:07
Speaker 2: Do you ever like carve out vacation times? Like say
23:11
like for the month of December, I'm not doing shit.
23:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the winter. Like last year, I went to Arizona.
23:18
I went to Phoenix area and rode with all those
23:22
cowgirls shooting guns off horses. And I was like, and
23:24
I was just so rejuvenated and refreshed. And I was like,
23:27
I need to make that a priority. Like I just
23:30
think none of us are good at that. If you're
23:31
really driven... and really goal oriented. And like you are,
23:35
I mean, I have to like make myself and then
23:39
I'll go and say, well, they're working me to death.
23:41
They is me. I'm the one adding shit to my calendar.
23:45
Speaker 3: That is me.
23:46
Speaker 1: My husband's like, you said you were going to be
23:47
off this week. Like, well, I had this one. It's like,
23:50
so I really am making like the priority, like take
23:53
some winter months and, you know, cause we start touring
23:55
in the spring and don't stop till the winter again.
23:58
So I feel like it's, you know, it's important.
24:02
Speaker 2: It's intelligent, right? It's an intelligent thing to do, to
24:06
give yourself a forced vacation, some sort of a break.
24:10
So just think of your creativity as like a battery.
24:13
You can't run your phone until it's got zero. You've
24:16
got to charge it. So stick it in the cable,
24:19
put it into the wall, let it charge for a
24:21
little while. Like you've got to think about it that way,
24:24
I guess.
24:25
Speaker 1: What do you do for your chill time?
24:28
Speaker 2: I don't do a lot of chilling.
24:29
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't think so.
24:30
Speaker 2: I just do other stuff. Same.
24:33
Speaker 3: I was like, I feel like you're preaching to the
24:35
choir over here.
24:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I watch TV. I like to watch, like,
24:39
documentaries and stuff, and I watch fights, and I watch
24:42
YouTube videos. But I can't do it much, or I
24:47
just don't like that feeling. I feel like I'm wasting time.
24:50
So I have to keep myself occupied.
24:51
Speaker 3: You do other things.
24:52
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that's the thing. It's like I'm not just,
24:55
you know, going out there to– chill out on the
24:58
couch I'm like I'm in the desert doing something physical
25:01
also like musicians are like our life isn't that physical
25:07
like we don't it's kind of a as far as
25:09
like activity like we if we're writing songs we're sitting
25:12
around writing songs we're sitting around practicing we're standing there
25:15
you know until the show part so like I have
25:18
to make sure I like my hobbies should be active.
25:21
Speaker 2: Yeah you know sure just and also do something that
25:26
like active stuff stimulates your mind more and I think
25:30
active stuff will probably aid in your writing.
25:32
Speaker 1: More right yeah for sure yeah I think so.
25:35
Speaker 2: It has to I mean it just makes sense yeah
25:39
it's when you when you sit down to do you
25:42
like sit down and write in front of a computer
25:45
do you wait till an idea comes to you do
25:46
you write on a piece of paper how do.
25:48
Speaker 1: You all of it um usually like I love to co-write,
25:53
write by myself. I'm not good at it. I encourage
25:56
it for any artists I'm mentoring or anything else, but
25:59
I need to do it myself more because co-writing is fun.
26:03
You're like hanging around with, which I met you actually
26:05
at one of my favorite writers, Benefit, Jack Ingram. Him
26:10
and John Randall, my other best friend and I, which
26:13
I think you met him too. We have a little
26:16
side project we call the Marfa Tapes and we would
26:18
go out to the desert in Marfa. Have you been
26:21
there yet?
26:22
Speaker 2: No, I haven't.
26:22
Speaker 1: It is like a different world.
26:24
Speaker 2: That's what Rick Rubin says.
26:26
Speaker 1: It is a different, literal different world. It's magical. I
26:31
don't know what's in the air out there.
26:32
Speaker 2: How far is the drive?
26:35
Speaker 1: About six and a half.
26:36
Speaker 2: Six and a half.
26:37
Speaker 1: Is that coffee?
26:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want some?
26:38
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, we'll sit around and JR is an amazing
26:43
guitar player. Cheers. Thank you. He'll come up with like
26:47
a riff or somebody has a title. That's why I
26:50
like co-writing. I don't know. It's more fun to celebrate
26:51
it with your friends. You know what I mean?
26:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean, some of the best ideas
26:56
that comedians ever come up with, we come up with
26:58
in the green room because we're just riffing. Yeah. Like,
27:00
there's always a moment where, like, you know, we're hanging
27:02
around and Tony will say something. We're like, dude, write
27:04
that down. Write that down.
27:05
Speaker 1: Same thing. It's the exact same thing.
27:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like, you know, creativity is interesting because...
27:14
you want to be inspired and you're never more inspired
27:17
than you are around other creative people. Yeah.
27:20
Speaker 1: Especially people that are better than you.
27:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Right? Yeah.
27:24
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm like, oh, you're a really great writer
27:27
and great musician. We should be friends. I need to
27:31
learn from you and you make me look cool.
27:32
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it kicks up your desire to do better
27:36
a notch.
27:36
Speaker 4: Yeah.
27:37
Speaker 1: Especially like too, I've been working with younger artists and
27:40
I love seeing their fire. Like they're, like racehorses at
27:45
the gate, you know what I mean? And it reminds
27:47
me of how that felt and reminds me to find
27:51
my moments where I feel that way too.
27:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I feel the same way about
27:56
working with young comedians. It's important. It's good. It's also,
28:00
it's like great to see the sparkle in their eye
28:02
when they do like their first big crowd, you know, like,
28:06
come on, man. This is just like a regular club.
28:08
Go out there. Give me some knuckles. Right. And you see,
28:10
watch them kill in front of thousands of people and
28:12
they come back like, whoa.
28:14
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, now, now you got the bug.
28:16
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, they had the bug already, but it's like
28:19
you get to feel it. I get to feel it
28:21
again for the first time. I've done it so many times.
28:23
It's almost kind of normal. Yeah. Which it never should
28:26
be normal, you know, and you get to see somebody
28:28
else experience like the jolt of like what it feels like,
28:30
that spotlight in your face and all those people in
28:32
the crowd. And it's exciting. It is.
28:34
Speaker 1: And it's good. It's like, it's a reminder, you know,
28:37
I think it's so important. People ask you this, like,
28:42
do you get nervous? I don't get nervous. I get.
28:49
Speaker 2: Anticipation.
28:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great word. I'm going to start saying
28:52
that because I was like, I don't really have an
28:53
answer because I care and I want to do well
28:56
and I get like this. It's anticipation. It's not nerves
28:59
per se.
29:00
Speaker 2: I think once you stop feeling something, really you're doing
29:04
the wrong thing, no matter what it is. I'm sure
29:07
you feel that whenever you get on one of those
29:09
horses with a gun in your hand. Yeah. Like, here
29:11
we go.
29:11
Speaker 1: I haven't stopped feeling anything yet.
29:12
Speaker 2: Here we go. This is crazy. Bang.
29:17
Speaker 1: I'm still feeling all those feels for a while.
29:20
Speaker 2: I'm sure. I don't know if that'll ever go away, right?
29:22
Speaker 1: No.
29:23
Speaker 2: Because, you know, you're not in control of the horse.
29:26
Speaker 1: No, it's not up to you. And I think that's
29:27
why I like it. It's because I've grown to trust
29:31
me in my gig. Like, I trust me. I trust
29:34
my band. But mostly it's up to me. Like, I'm
29:36
the one standing there in front of the microphone. And
29:38
I know my capabilities and I know what I can deliver.
29:43
On a hobby like golf, I'm like, I don't know
29:47
what the hell is about to happen when I swing
29:49
this club.
29:50
Speaker 3: This is not up to me.
29:52
Speaker 1: This little son of a bitch isn't moving and I
29:54
can't hit it.
29:57
Speaker 3: It's just like, I don't know.
29:59
Speaker 1: And the same thing with the horse. It's like up
30:00
to my horse. It's not up to me.
30:02
Speaker 2: Right.
30:02
Speaker 1: I can aim and I can have the skill and
30:04
be learning how to ride, but it's about him, you know?
30:07
Speaker 2: Yeah.
30:08
Speaker 1: For sure. His name is cool.
30:10
Speaker 2: That's his name? Yeah. With a K or a C?
30:12
It's a C.
30:12
Speaker 3: He's cool.
30:15
Speaker 2: That's a great Morris Day in the Time song.
30:16
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:17
Speaker 2: You never heard that song?
30:18
Speaker 1: No.
30:18
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a great song.
30:19
Speaker 1: I need to hear it. We have a theme song.
30:21
I didn't know it.
30:22
Speaker 2: Yeah. We'll give her some of that. We'll have to
30:24
cut this out. Otherwise, we'll get removed from YouTube, but.
30:27
Play Morris Day and the Time, cool. This is like
30:30
during the Prince days. Morris Day and the Time, I think,
30:33
is like one of the most underappreciated bands from that era,
30:37
from like the early 90s, because they got kind of
30:40
eclipsed by Prince.
30:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:42
Speaker 2: You know, because they were hanging around with Prince, and
30:44
they were part of like the whole Prince.
30:46
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about them.
30:47
Speaker 2: You don't know Morris Day and the Times?
30:49
Speaker 1: No, I don't.
30:49
Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Play Cool by Morris Day and the Times.
30:53
I'm making sure it's the right one. There's a version
30:56
that says it's just Morris Day, and then another version
30:59
popped up that said it was just the time. Either way,
31:02
it's always going to be Morris Day singing. I don't
31:04
think the time ever played without Morris. Morris is cool
31:08
as fuck, though. Here it is. All right, we'll edit
31:12
this out. For people at home, sorry. Go find this.
31:15
That's awesome.
31:16
Speaker 1: Look at the clothes.
31:18
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so corny. It's so great. It's so like...
31:21
What year is that? Like... I don't know. It's got
31:24
to be early 90s, right? 91? 81. 81.
31:25
Speaker 1: Dang.
31:26
Speaker 2: Wow.
31:26
Speaker 1: I wasn't even.
31:27
Speaker 2: Born on the earth. That's crazy. 1981. Wow. I was
31:35
a freshman in high school.
31:36
Speaker 1: I'm an 83, baby.
31:38
Speaker 2: I was in my junior year or sophomore year. Yeah,
31:42
I was a freshman in high school back then. That's crazy. Wow.
31:47
It was a weird time back then because- Prince was
31:49
so big that there was, like, a bunch of fake princes. Like,
31:52
people started imitating Prince. It's almost like a lot of.
31:55
Speaker 1: That's always what happens.
31:56
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Men become androgynous.
31:59
Speaker 1: There's one, and then they're like, oh, let's all be
32:01
like that one. So there's 20 more that aren't as good.
32:04
Speaker 2: I know. Yeah. There's a bunch of fake Michael Jacksons,
32:06
I'm sure. There was a bunch of people that just
32:08
tried to do something. Like, what is he... How... What's
32:12
that guy doing? You know? And with Prince, it was like,
32:14
what is this... What's happening here? Very.
32:17
Speaker 1: Like, very uniquely... Authentically himself. So even that was like
32:24
trying to be too close probably.
32:26
Speaker 2: A little bit.
32:27
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
32:27
Speaker 2: Yeah. Not as good. That's the problem. You're not as
32:30
good as Prince. You're awesome. You're great. Yeah. But Prince
32:33
is like a once in a generation superstar weirdo talent
32:37
from Mars.
32:38
Speaker 1: Exactly. There are those. There's some that just aren't from here.
32:41
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right. That guy was just different than everybody. You know,
32:45
I remember I was delivering newspapers when I first heard
32:48
a Prince song. And I was like, this is crazy. Like,
32:52
who is this guy? It was I Want to Be
32:54
Your Lover. Do you remember that? Oh, that fucking song.
32:57
And it was like, this is a guy. singing like
33:01
a girl on stage. She's like three feet tall and
33:03
all the women want to fuck him. Like, this is nuts.
33:06
I have never seen anything like this in my life.
33:08
Speaker 1: What's happening?
33:09
Speaker 2: Like, what did this guy do? This guy's a sorcerer. Like,
33:12
he was so talented that he could wear stilettos on
33:15
stage and no one cared. No one cared. And it
33:18
wasn't like, boo, what are you dressing like a girl?
33:22
No one gave a fuck. He was so good and so...
33:25
There's something about the magnetic personality that he had. The
33:30
charisma that he had was so undeniable that everybody was like,
33:33
holy shit, what is this?
33:35
Speaker 3: That's not taught.
33:37
Speaker 1: That's innate. You're born with that.
33:39
Speaker 2: You can't teach Prince. How do you teach that?
33:41
Speaker 1: No, you don't. You grew up in Jersey, right?
33:45
Speaker 2: I was born in New Jersey.
33:46
Speaker 1: You were born in Jersey.
33:46
Speaker 2: But I only lived there until I was six.
33:47
Speaker 1: Where'd you grow up?
33:49
Speaker 2: I grew up everywhere. I lived in San Francisco from
33:51
seven to 11. I lived in Gainesville, Florida. From 11
33:56
to 13. Lots of moving. Yeah, a lot of moving.
33:58
And then I lived in Boston from 13 to 24.
34:01
Then I lived in New York.
34:03
Speaker 1: New York, in the city?
34:04
Speaker 2: For a few years. No, I couldn't afford parking, so
34:07
I had to live outside the city. Because I'm a comedian.
34:10
I had to drive everywhere. I had a lot of
34:12
road gigs. That's where I made my money.
34:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
34:14
Speaker 2: So to drive to Connecticut and Rhode Island, in the city,
34:16
it was like a parking spot. It was hundreds of
34:18
dollars a month back then. So I lived in New Rochelle. Okay, cool.
34:23
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34:28
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And now he says y'all.
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34:34
he been there?
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Speaker 1: We've been married seven years.
34:37
Speaker 2: Okay, after five. Yeah, it kind of sticks. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: But I got to live up there when we first
36:12
got married. We had an apartment in Soho. And I'm from, like, BFE, Lindale, Texas. Like,
36:19
you know, Dallas is our biggest city.
36:21
Speaker 2: Right.
36:22
Speaker 1: And it's 80 miles. So I had so much fun.
36:25
He was still a cop, so I just wandered around
36:28
all day. I had gigs on the weekends, but Monday
36:30
through Wednesday, I'm just like Desperate Housewives of Soho. I'm
36:34
just running around and going to rock clubs by myself
36:38
and having lunch by myself and having wine and meet people.
36:42
It's a city that nobody cares who you are at all.
36:45
They're just like.
36:46
Speaker 2: It's an amazing city.
36:48
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
36:48
Speaker 2: If you like cities.
36:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
36:51
Speaker 2: I mean... I like visiting cities.
36:52
Speaker 1: Six months was, I got my fill.
36:54
Speaker 2: I loved it.
36:55
Speaker 1: We're there a ton because his family's still there. But
36:58
I just, I enjoyed like really immersing because I'd never
37:02
done that. And I'm not really a city girl, but
37:05
I was like, I'm just going to use every bit
37:07
of this that I can. Wrote some great songs, like
37:09
wrote one called Firescape. I didn't even know what that
37:11
was before.
37:12
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
37:13
Speaker 1: Like, what's Firescape?
37:15
Speaker 3: You should walk out the door. You know, so it was,
37:19
it was cool.
37:20
Speaker 1: It was a cool time, but.
37:21
Speaker 2: Well, that would be a great place to, like, rewire
37:23
your brain creatively to write stuff. Yeah. Because you're forced
37:28
in a totally different environment.
37:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:30
Speaker 2: In the weirdest environment on Earth, in my opinion. I
37:32
think the weirdest environment on Earth for human beings is
37:34
when they're stacked on top of each other in cities. Yeah.
37:37
Because I don't think that's normal at all.
37:38
Speaker 1: No, it's not.
37:39
Speaker 2: I think your whole body just goes, like, you're always
37:42
at three or four all day long.
37:44
Speaker 1: Always.
37:44
Speaker 2: You're never at zero.
37:46
Speaker 1: Yes. My husband just now, like, we literally talked about yesterday.
37:49
I was like, you.
37:52
Are finally like at a regulated nervous system level.
37:56
Speaker 3: Cause it just, I.
37:58
Speaker 1: Think he was just used to like, just, you have
38:00
to vibrate at a different energy, especially if you're a
38:03
police officer, like that's a whole different, you know what
38:05
I mean? And so finally, like we have a farm
38:08
in Tennessee and we were there for like a couple
38:11
of days this week and just chilling, making cookies and
38:14
being normal. And it's like, he's finally like enjoying that.
38:17
Cause even when I had my little time in New
38:19
York city, I was like, this is a, It's a
38:22
lot of, like, I couldn't do this 24-7 for long
38:25
periods of time because I just can't come down and, like,
38:27
ground myself.
38:28
Speaker 2: Right.
38:29
Speaker 1: I need to touch grass.
38:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. Being a cop in New York
38:34
City has got to be, like, one of the most
38:36
stressful jobs in the history of the world.
38:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
38:39
Speaker 2: That's, I mean, that's right up there, like, below being
38:42
a soldier in war. Like, being a cop, I mean,
38:44
I have friends that are cops or that were cops
38:47
that will tell you that the people that are working
38:50
in the field like as police officers and they're going
38:55
and seeing things on a daily basis they're seeing way
38:59
more carnage way more fucked up things than these guys
39:02
who would serve they were both they did both they
39:05
were like i saw way more as a cop than
39:07
i ever did right as an officer it.
39:08
Speaker 1: Makes sense it's a lot i mean his whole family
39:11
police officers my whole family is firemen and police officers
39:14
too so i think i think that was kind of
39:15
our bond anyways. We grew up exactly the same, just
39:19
in different parts of the country. I was around a.
39:21
Speaker 2: Lot of cops when I was a kid because of
39:23
martial arts. We were always training with cops. and you
39:26
know I'd listen to stories that they would tell me
39:28
about like things that they got into and they were
39:30
getting into things like that like on a daily basis
39:33
there was always shootouts there was always car wrecks there
39:35
was always murders and domestic violence cases and it's like
39:40
man how many of those guys are just walking around
39:43
with severe PTSD and no one cares, no one respects it.
39:47
Speaker 1: No one's talking about it. They're just, you know, I
39:50
think that like they don't even acknowledge it themselves. Like
39:52
I know my dad worked vice in Dallas for his
39:55
whole career and And back in the day, like, and
39:59
my husband, like, they just don't, and then they just
40:01
come home and like, you know.
40:03
Speaker 2: I'd kill my hearing aids too.
40:07
Speaker 1: He's like the dog ate it. I guarantee you that
40:08
he just threw it away.
40:09
Speaker 2: He fed it to put peanut butter on that fucking thing.
40:12
Speaker 1: Good job, Reclaimer.
40:13
Speaker 3: We know what you did now. He put peanut butter
40:17
on it. That's just wrong. It's just wrong in so
40:20
many ways.
40:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, he probably needed peace and quiet.
40:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, he needs mom to hush.
40:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody, shut the fucking world off.
40:28
Speaker 1: Yeah.
40:29
Speaker 2: You know, one of the greatest pool players, if not
40:31
the greatest pool player of all time, is deaf. There's
40:33
a guy named Shane Van Boning. Really? And he shuts
40:36
his hearing aid off when he plays.
40:37
Speaker 1: So it's just silent?
40:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, just fuck off, world. And he's just in his, like,
40:42
people could be screaming in the crowd, and he doesn't
40:44
hear shit.
40:44
Speaker 1: What is it about pool? Like, what's the, you said
40:47
you play pool, you like it?
40:48
Speaker 2: I've been playing pool for 35 years. Yeah, I've been
40:51
playing forever.
40:51
Speaker 1: But what is it about that particular?
40:53
Speaker 2: Because the balls don't give a fuck who you are.
40:58
They don't care what you think you are. They don't
41:01
care who you know, how much money you have, what
41:04
you've accomplished already, how many shots you've already made. The
41:07
balls don't care. The pockets are four and a quarter
41:10
inches wide, and if you don't hit it perfect, it
41:13
doesn't go in, and it requires all of your concentration.
41:16
And if you really know how to play pool, Then
41:19
you're dealing with, like, English. So you're dealing with, like,
41:22
spin on the cue ball left and right. And you're
41:25
dealing with draw and follow. It's a dance of the
41:29
mind and these orbs. You're hitting a ball into another
41:33
ball and trying to get that thing to go straight.
41:36
And it just requires this complete harmony of hand-eye coordination
41:43
and your spirit. Like, you have to, like, stay calm
41:46
while you're doing it. That's why.
41:47
Speaker 1: I like that. That's very cool. That's a very good
41:50
explanation of that. I'm the worst pool player. I mean,
41:54
you would think, like, playing as many honky tonks as
41:57
I have played, that I could play pool.
42:00
Speaker 2: It's so bad. Most people that think they can play
42:02
pool can't play pool. Most people don't know really how
42:05
to play pool.
42:06
Speaker 1: Like, back in my day, it was, like, just a
42:08
place to flirt.
42:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that. It's that. The thing about pool is
42:13
once you get down the road and you really start
42:17
getting the game and understanding it and then playing in
42:19
tournaments and then gambling, then you're dealing with real pool players.
42:25
Real pool players play pool eight hours a day.
42:27
Speaker 1: Wow.
42:28
Speaker 2: Every day. You have to. Because you know how the
42:31
thing of being comfortable on stage or being comfortable riding
42:34
a horse, being comfortable shooting a bow or playing golf,
42:38
multiply that times 100 and you have pool. Because pool's
42:42
the only game where you take a stick and you
42:46
hit a ball into another ball. Every other game, you
42:48
hit a ball. You just hit a ball with a stick.
42:51
But in pool, you're hitting a ball into a ball
42:54
and controlling the movement of both balls. Like the one
42:58
that's hitting the ball, you're controlling how it spins off
43:01
to get perfect position on the next shot. And then
43:04
the other one, you want to make sure that it
43:05
gets the exact right angle to go into the pocket
43:08
while you're calculating all this spin and the geometry of
43:12
the table and avoiding collisions. It's maddening.
43:16
Speaker 1: It's very, like, I just got anxiety.
43:18
Speaker 2: It's maddening.
43:18
Speaker 1: I just got stressed out.
43:19
Speaker 2: It'll drive you crazy. It's a game that will drive
43:21
you crazy. But when you catch it, there's a thing
43:25
called being in stroke. And being in dead stroke, it's
43:29
a rare thing. It happens like, you know, once a
43:33
month or something like that where you just can't miss,
43:37
where you know where everything is. And it's this like
43:40
calm that comes over like the world dissolves and all
43:46
you feel is the table and you're completely in sync
43:52
with the movement of the balls. You know how many
43:54
revolutions each ball is going to make you feel the
43:57
difference between two extra revolutions like you know where how
44:01
hard to hit it exactly. And that's what everybody's chasing.
44:05
They're chasing this feeling of being.
44:07
Speaker 1: In bed stroke. Why does it happen once a month?
44:08
Speaker 2: Because it's so hard to get there. I'd probably get
44:12
there all the time if I played like a pro.
44:14
Like eight hours a day. You'd probably get there once
44:16
a week. But nobody stays there.
44:18
Speaker 1: But that's probably the draw that keeps you coming back.
44:21
Speaker 2: Dudes do drugs just so they can get there. They
44:23
get hooked on pills. Because they find that maybe it's amphetamines.
44:28
Maybe it's opiates. Whatever it is. Some guys will do drugs.
44:33
And find that spot and then go back to drugs
44:36
just to get to that spot.
44:38
Speaker 1: From pool?
44:38
Speaker 2: From pool, yeah. Dang. Oh, it's a nutty game.
44:41
Speaker 3: I mean, I've.
44:41
Speaker 1: Never ever dug into it like that.
44:45
Speaker 2: Oh, at the highest levels, guys are gambling from hundreds
44:48
of thousands of dollars in these fucking weird places in
44:51
Kentucky and weird pool hall. They're streaming online on YouTube.
44:56
They're streaming on different websites. Dang. Oh. At the highest level,
45:00
it is a crazy game. It's a crazy game.
45:03
Speaker 1: Well, I never knew that, but I learned a lot
45:05
about that today.
45:06
Speaker 2: I know a dude who's one of the best in
45:07
the world, and he can't travel because he needs pills.
45:11
So he can't go overseas. He can't go anywhere. He
45:13
can't travel without his pills. If he does, he won't
45:16
play white. Really? Oh, it's nuts. Yeah.
45:19
Speaker 1: It's a head game.
45:21
Speaker 2: Oh, it's the head. That's it. My friend Jeremy Jones,
45:24
who won the U.S. Open, one of the greatest players
45:26
of all time. He's like, it is the most. And
45:28
he plays everything. He played baseball at a high level.
45:31
He plays golf. He's like, it is the most mental game. Really?
45:34
And it's why nobody's good at it. That's why it
45:37
never got to a place where it was really appreciated professionally. Right.
45:42
Because you have to know how to play it to
45:45
understand what you're seeing. Yeah. To really see people play well,
45:48
you have to know what's happening.
45:51
Speaker 1: I don't, I'd never, I'm not like good at any,
45:53
I've not played sports, so I'm not good at them.
45:56
Speaker 2: No sports at all?
45:56
Speaker 1: I didn't really, I mean, I grew up kind of
45:58
playing softball here and there.
45:59
Speaker 2: So is golf like the first thing you really?
46:00
Speaker 1: Golf is my first and my amount of shooting, which
46:03
is technically labeled a sport.
46:05
Speaker 2: That's a sport for sure.
46:08
Speaker 1: So that's like, it's new to me.
46:10
Speaker 3: Sports are new because I just, I don't know.
46:13
Speaker 1: I started this at 17 and didn't, and just was
46:16
laser focused, like horse with blinders and doing country music.
46:19
Speaker 2: And then. What is it like going from just being
46:22
a regular high school kid and all of a sudden 17,
46:27
just being thrust into a spotlight?
46:30
Speaker 1: Well, I wasn't in the spotlight at first. I was
46:32
playing shitholes with no lights.
46:34
Speaker 2: But even shitholes, there's some kind of light. You're on stage.
46:38
The pool light.
46:39
Speaker 3: Yeah.
46:41
Speaker 1: The pool table light. I don't know. I just, I
46:43
don't know. I feel like that, I didn't have a choice.
46:47
Speaker 2: It picked me.
46:48
Speaker 1: It's the only thing I've ever been good at. Everything
46:51
is hard. Everything else is hard to me. But like
46:54
music was the only thing that I was like, I
46:57
guess this is what I'm supposed to do because I'm
46:58
actually good at it.
47:00
Speaker 3: Thank God you followed it though.
47:02
Speaker 2: So many people have a thing like that and they say, oh,
47:04
that's just unrealistic. I can't do that.
47:07
Speaker 1: I didn't have a backup plan that helped. I barely
47:10
graduated high school. I was like, I don't want to
47:12
waste my dad's money.
47:13
Speaker 2: That does help.
47:14
Speaker 1: Going to college.
47:15
Speaker 2: I was like.
47:16
Speaker 1: I have no backup plan, so it really does help.
47:19
The hunger that it creates is like a fire that
47:23
you can't explain.
47:24
Speaker 2: And it's not good advice. I would never give the
47:27
advice of don't have a backup plan because some people
47:30
are not going to make it. And then they'll blame you.
47:32
You told me I shouldn't have a backup plan. But
47:36
I really think that for someone who's got some talent
47:39
and a real desire to do that and you can
47:42
stay the course, you can deal with the hard times.
47:45
Like you can't have a backup plan. You cannot because
47:48
that backup plan will rob your time.
47:51
Speaker 1: Yeah.
47:51
Speaker 2: That's the thing you have to think of. It robs
47:53
your focus. It steals from your energy. Yeah. So it'll
47:57
stop you from reaching your full potential. Fuck your backup plans. Yeah.
48:01
Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't come from me.
48:03
Speaker 2: Yeah. It comes from me. Fuck your backup plan.
48:06
Speaker 1: I don't want to get blamed, but I just think
48:08
that's like the reason that. It happened. It's a lot
48:12
of hard work, obviously, and determination, but just nothing else.
48:18
I have nothing else. Like, I was terrible at school,
48:21
terrible at sports, had to get tutoring, had to, like,
48:25
stay late for the cheerleading dance. Like, everything was just
48:27
hard for me.
48:28
Speaker 2: Right, but that's just because you're a great singer. Like,
48:31
that's where your mind works. Like, it's just such a
48:36
wonderful thing that you found the thing that you're really
48:39
good at. Because some people... Some people don't. They just
48:42
don't know why they suck at school. They don't know
48:45
why they can't pay attention. They don't know why they
48:47
can't be at work on time. They don't know why.
48:49
They're like, what's wrong with me? And if maybe that
48:51
person just found that thing and they're like, oh, my God,
48:55
I'm supposed to be riding horses and shooting balloons.
48:57
Speaker 3: Exactly.
48:58
Speaker 1: Here I am. I found me. Yeah, I think it's
49:02
I feel like we're the lucky ones when we get
49:05
to like we know like this is this is what
49:08
I'm supposed to do.
49:08
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
49:09
Speaker 1: This is what I'm going to chase, no matter what
49:11
it costs. And, you know, that doesn't, I see so
49:15
many people that are so immensely talented that just didn't
49:19
happen for them. And, and you don't, and you don't
49:22
know why, like the, why you said it, you don't
49:23
know if it was one little factor of a period
49:26
in their life or just not seen at the right
49:29
time or chasing the right thing at the right time.
49:31
And I don't know, I feel, I feel very thankful
49:35
for that, but I'm also like trying to learn new
49:39
things at 40 because I spent my whole adult life
49:42
doing that. You know what I mean?
49:44
Speaker 3: So now I'm like, what can we do next?
49:46
Speaker 1: Let's find another hobby.
49:47
Speaker 2: But that's a great approach though. Yeah. That's great. I mean,
49:50
it's recognizing you want to have some more stuff in
49:52
your life. It's interesting.
49:54
Speaker 1: I think that there's come, I don't know. Does that
49:56
come with.
49:56
Speaker 2: Like wisdom with age.
49:58
Speaker 1: Wisdom and, and also feeling accomplished. I mean, I feel
50:01
like I set my goals, hit them.
50:04
Speaker 2: Yeah.
50:04
Speaker 1: You know, and that feels like, Oh, okay. I can
50:07
take a breath.
50:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's gotta be a part of it. Right. That's
50:09
got to be a part of it. There's got to
50:11
be a part that, you know, you can relax a little.
50:13
Like not that, you know, you will, you know, when
50:17
it comes to like writing and singing and stuff. But
50:20
at least you don't have to worry. Like, am I
50:22
going to make it? Like, hey, I kind of made it.
50:25
Speaker 1: Yeah.
50:26
Speaker 2: Let's just have some fun.
50:27
Speaker 4: Yeah.
50:27
Speaker 2: And what's the point in the whole idea of making
50:30
it is like your life will be better and you'll have, well,
50:33
your life will be better if you have more fun.
50:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
50:35
Speaker 2: Like, find some stuff you like to do. Exactly.
50:37
Speaker 1: You seem like somebody that chases a lot of new
50:39
things and conquers them, which I think is really inspiring.
50:42
Speaker 2: Well, I chase things that you can never conquer. That's
50:44
the key.
50:46
Speaker 1: And no one told me that until I started playing golf,
50:48
and now it's too late.
50:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, well.
50:50
Speaker 3: You can't ever win.
50:52
Speaker 2: For me, it started with martial arts. You never conquer that.
50:55
There's always going to be somebody better than you, especially
50:57
if you're not a professional.
50:58
Speaker 1: But you get really, really good at the things that
51:00
you're pursuing.
51:03
Speaker 2: So you spend time on them. I think something's wrong
51:06
with me. For sure, if I was born at a
51:09
different time, I was born in the 60s. They didn't
51:11
really diagnose kids with ADHD when I was a kid. Oh,
51:14
we both have it. A hundred percent. We 100% have it. 100%.
51:19
I got it. Whatever that fucking is, it's a superpower.
51:21
It's a superpower if you use it right.
51:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too.
51:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, just the idea that you have to medicate a
51:26
kid because he can't sit in school, like Find out
51:29
if that kid's good at other stuff. Right. Find out
51:31
if there's a thing that, yeah, okay, maybe they can't
51:33
sit there where someone's teaching them math. Maybe they get
51:35
bored real quick. Maybe they start talking to her friends.
51:37
Whatever it is, they probably have a thing they're really
51:41
good at. If they could find that thing, I bet
51:43
they're focused like a motherfucker when they're playing video games, right?
51:46
Speaker 3: Yeah.
51:46
Speaker 2: So what's that all about? You know, find the thing
51:49
that that kid can lock into. 100%.
51:51
Speaker 1: Yeah.
51:53
Speaker 2: The thing is, like, you make people do things that
51:55
are completely unnatural.
51:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
51:57
Speaker 2: You make people sit down when they're six in a
52:01
chair while some lady who's making $ 35, 000 a year doesn't
52:04
like kids is teaching them some shit that she doesn't
52:07
care about. So there's no energy in the room. Everything.
52:11
And then when they're out in the yard with their friends,
52:13
they're having fun and they're laughing. So they're like, this
52:17
is bullshit. This class sucks. And they're talking to each
52:20
other and then they get in trouble for talking like, oh.
52:23
Your child's a problem. Is the child really the problem?
52:26
Seems like the child has a lot of energy. That's
52:28
not a problem.
52:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
52:30
Speaker 2: You're not providing an inspiring environment for a growing mind.
52:35
Just turning you into a dull drone, some worker that
52:39
just is capable of, like, shutting themselves off all day
52:42
and then showing up and then just doing some stuff
52:45
that they don't want to do because they were taught
52:47
how to do it when they were kids. Like, bleh.
52:50
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot more opportunities now than
52:53
there was, like, even when I was in school. It
52:55
was kind of just like Lindale ISD. Like, everybody learns
52:59
the same. Everybody goes to the same class. You know
53:01
what I mean? And I just, my mom says I
53:04
learned differently.
53:06
Speaker 2: She tries to say it. You learned differently?
53:10
Speaker 1: But looking back, it's the same. Like, you just described
53:12
my entire, like, existence as a student.
53:14
Speaker 2: Well, it's not just yours. It's mine, and I think
53:16
it's most people's. You know, the only class that I
53:19
really enjoyed was, well, science. I always enjoyed science. And
53:23
I enjoyed art. I always enjoyed that. But even my art,
53:26
I had a shitty art teacher in high school. It
53:28
was like a failed artist who was like really negative.
53:32
And he kind of ruined art for me. Yeah. Not really,
53:37
but ruined the idea of me doing it as a profession.
53:40
I was like, God, I have to be around people
53:42
like this? This guy's gross. He was just like so negative.
53:45
Speaker 1: Right. Bitter. Bitter.
53:46
Speaker 2: Just sad. Just a sad old dude. I always remember
53:50
like he ate a basketball. Like his whole body was skinny.
53:54
But his belly. Now I know. Like I probably drank
53:57
himself to sleep every night.
53:59
Speaker 1: Well, he was.
54:00
Speaker 2: He was sad.
54:01
Speaker 1: He was an artist trapped in his own life too.
54:05
Speaker 2: Also, he wasn't that good of an artist. That's part
54:07
of the problem. Part of the problem was like.
54:09
Speaker 1: He needed a backup plan.
54:11
Speaker 2: Well, I just don't think he had a lot of
54:13
fire in him. When it came to anything. And I
54:17
think the art that he created was a representation of
54:21
who he is as a human. And he saw these
54:23
young kids that were talented. I was pretty talented. I
54:25
was like the third best kid. There was a kid
54:28
named Kevin that was like a little better than me.
54:30
And then a kid named John, who was the best
54:32
guy in our class. And John told me like a
54:34
year or two ago, we're emailing each other back and forth.
54:37
And John told me that that guy gave him an F.
54:40
And I was like, okay. So it wasn't just me.
54:43
That guy's a piece of shit because John was the
54:44
best artist like I'd ever seen when I was a teenager.
54:47
And we were all like, fuck, this guy's like the
54:50
art world. We're out. So none of us became artists.
54:53
Speaker 1: That's sad.
54:54
Speaker 2: Oh, it was just this. That was what this guy wanted. Yeah.
54:57
This guy wanted was to kill dreams.
54:59
Speaker 1: I feel like it's so especially in that. Like, how
55:01
old were you?
55:02
Speaker 2: When I quit the classes, I stopped my senior year.
55:06
But by then I was also traveling and fighting. By then,
55:10
that was like when I heavily got into martial arts.
55:14
So by the time I was 17, like my whole
55:16
senior year, I was traveling around the country.
55:19
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's when I started making money playing music
55:24
at 17.
55:24
Speaker 2: In your senior year of high school? Yeah. Wow. So
55:26
that must have alienated you from a lot of your friends. Yeah.
55:30
Speaker 1: And I mean, I was also very big into church
55:33
choir and stuff. And so I'm like at the honky-tonk
55:36
till four in the morning because I was the house band.
55:38
And then I'm, like, dragging a leg into church, smelling terrible.
55:43
Speaker 3: Like, no wonder y'all kicked me out of youth group,
55:45
you assholes.
55:46
Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
55:47
Speaker 1: I probably deserved it.
55:49
Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Like, what'd you do last night?
55:51
Speaker 1: Like, my mom had to, like, go with me for
55:53
the first, like, first, like, three months of my house
55:55
gig because I couldn't get in until I was 18
55:57
and I was playing in the house band. So she'd
55:59
be like, oh, good, you can drive and I can
56:01
drink beer and listen to y'all play.
56:02
Speaker 2: Oh, that's hilarious.
56:04
Speaker 1: That's funny. But it's funny what you're talking about teachers. Like,
56:07
I feel like There's some that just really, there's that
56:11
turning point where you meet that one teacher or someone
56:14
in your childhood or high school years that turns things
56:18
around for you. I got like, when you're talking about
56:21
your art teacher, this teacher named Miss Caldwell, and she
56:24
taught speech. And I was a terrified, literal, the shyest
56:29
kid ever. My parents are both very vibrant and huge personalities. And, like,
56:35
I couldn't get a word in edgewise, so I just
56:36
didn't talk until I was, like, 16.
56:37
Speaker 3: Because they just wouldn't shut up.
56:40
Speaker 1: They're just constantly, Dad's telling little cop stories about his
56:42
bash days. And my mom's a PI, so she's telling
56:45
all her cool stories. And so I just was really shy.
56:48
And my little brother was the same. He's five years younger. And, like,
56:51
we just weren't very, like, vocal. And I somehow got,
56:56
I didn't pay attention and didn't put down my classes,
56:59
you know, like my junior year of high school. And
57:01
I had got shoved in a class where there was
57:03
one spot and it was speech honors and it was
57:05
a debate class. And like, that is not my vibe.
57:09
I was panicking. My mom came up to the school.
57:12
I was sobbing. I was like, I can't do this.
57:14
I don't even speak hardly. And, but I was singing
57:17
like here and there. I was singing in church. Like
57:20
I could do it if I was singing, but like
57:22
still shyly singing, you know what I mean? Like kind
57:25
of in the background. And my mom was like, we
57:28
got to figure this out. The school was like, well,
57:31
there's not really any room for her any other classes
57:33
and whatever. And it was an honors class. Like this
57:36
girl is like barely passing every class except choir.
57:40
Speaker 2: They just allowed you to enter into that class?
57:42
Speaker 1: They just somehow. And so then I think looking back,
57:45
like Ms. Caldwell and the principal met with my mom
57:48
and she looked at Ms. Caldwell and she was like,
57:51
can she do this? And she was like, she needs
57:54
to do this. And so, and I had to debate.
57:58
like against these seniors and real smart kids.
58:02
Speaker 2: Right.
58:02
Speaker 1: And, but it really brought me out of my shell.
58:04
And so I'm thankful she wasn't like your art teacher.
58:07
I'm thankful that Ms. Caldwell was like, no, I see
58:10
potential in this girl. And if she's going to, cause
58:12
I sang at the talent show or whatever, she's like,
58:14
if she's going to be a singer, she's going to
58:15
have to learn to be in front of people and
58:17
to like show her personality and come out of her shell.
58:21
And it really like changed my world because then I
58:24
started playing in bars and I started to like, come
58:27
into my personality a little bit. Because you can't do
58:29
this if you don't have, if you aren't confident and
58:34
have confidence in who you are. Right.
58:36
Speaker 2: And the ability to be who you are in between songs.
58:39
Speaker 1: That. That is a really important part.
58:42
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's where people get to see you.
58:45
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm thankful for her. Thanks, Ms.
58:47
Speaker 2: Caldwell.
58:47
Speaker 1: Love you.
58:48
Speaker 2: Damn, Ms. Caldwell killed it.
58:49
Speaker 3: She killed it.
58:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful to have a teacher like that. And
58:53
anyone can speak English. The anxiety about like, oh, I
58:57
could never public speak. Like, yes, you could. You just
59:01
it's not impossible. Can you talk to me? OK, then
59:03
you can talk to a bunch of people. You can
59:05
do it. You might have to do it a bunch
59:07
of times before you figure it out. But it's not
59:09
like breathing. underwater. You could totally do it.
59:12
Speaker 1: It's so scary to me. I mean, honestly, you're so
59:14
good at it. Also, comedians, that to me is the
59:17
scariest of all the showbiz that you could pick is that.
59:21
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's one of them. That's kind of what I
59:25
like about it, though. I like scary stuff because you'll
59:28
have less people doing it.
59:29
Speaker 1: So you'll be like a big fish.
59:32
Speaker 2: That's why I got into fighting. That's why I got
59:34
into comedy. It's like, it's, it's a, it's like. Let's
59:39
say if you want to be a lawyer. You know
59:40
how many people are trying to be a lawyer? Right. Oh,
59:42
my God. You got to go to law school. You
59:44
got to get a degree. You got to pass the bar.
59:46
You got to get hired by some sort of a
59:49
law firm. And you got to try cases. And what
59:52
are you doing? Like a lot of people trying to
59:54
be lawyers. Yeah. Because there's a clear pathway. But if
59:57
the pathway is like foggy, like how do you be
1:00:00
a professional fighter? Like, oh, I'll go that pathway. Like
1:00:04
no one's doing that. Right. The people that are doing
1:00:06
that are all crazy. Like, those are my kind of people.
1:00:09
Or if the pathway is how to be a comedian, like, oh, yeah,
1:00:12
all these people are all misfits. This is perfect. These
1:00:14
are my people. Like, this is perfect. I'll go do that. Like,
1:00:17
this is, like, I'm insured of being around like-minded, interesting people. Yeah.
1:00:23
Speaker 1: That's a great way to look at it. But I
1:00:24
just think, I always think about how, like, the first
1:00:27
time you step on the stage and you're, you know,
1:00:30
you're showing all your cards like you remember your first
1:00:34
time well but for a comedian to me it's like
1:00:36
songs songs are different like yeah you know every the
1:00:40
first game you play the first whatever everybody has their
1:00:42
first time that they're like learning their their ropes and
1:00:45
how to get their feet under them but but that's
1:00:47
just so raw like here's my jokes here's my whole
1:00:51
heart yeah here's i hope you think this is funny
1:00:55
like i just every time i see it i'm like
1:00:58
That is the hardest thing in show business, period.
1:01:00
Speaker 2: The first time I ever did it, I was still fighting,
1:01:02
and I'd done nothing but martial arts competition, like literally
1:01:07
eight hours a day for my whole life for six years.
1:01:09
And then I was more scared going on stage at
1:01:12
an open mic night than I had ever been fighting, ever.
1:01:15
Speaker 1: That makes sense to me.
1:01:16
Speaker 2: But I was confused. I was like, why am I scared? Like,
1:01:18
this doesn't even make sense. It was so baffling to me.
1:01:21
I was like, why am I so nervous?
1:01:23
Speaker 1: But that makes sense to me. It's something you— Well,
1:01:26
you knew you were good at it, but you had
1:01:28
to do it in front of people.
1:01:29
Speaker 2: I didn't even think I was good at it. My
1:01:31
friends told me I was good at it. And they
1:01:33
only told me I was good at it. It was
1:01:34
like we would go to tournaments and everybody would be terrified.
1:01:36
We'd all be like really nervous. And I would be
1:01:40
the humor. It was gallows humor. So I would be
1:01:43
the guy cracking jokes. I would be the guy doing
1:01:46
impressions of each other, like of different friends, like what
1:01:49
they'd be like having sex or whatever it was and
1:01:52
making everybody laugh, saying totally inappropriate stuff. Yeah. And my
1:01:55
friend Steve, who I'm still friends with to this day,
1:01:57
he was a grown man, and I was like 15
1:01:59
at the time. And to this day, he's still one
1:02:02
of my best friends. But he told me, he's like,
1:02:06
you should be a comedian. Like, you're funny. And I
1:02:09
was like, you think I'm funny because you like me.
1:02:12
I go, but other people are going to think I'm
1:02:14
an asshole. Like, my sense of humor is fucked up.
1:02:17
And he's like, you should just go to open mic night.
1:02:19
And I did. And I went to an open mic night,
1:02:21
and I was like, oh, everybody sucks. Oh, this is fine.
1:02:23
I was like, you go to see a few professionals
1:02:25
and a few people are just struggling. I thought everybody
1:02:27
would be like Jerry Seinfeld or Richard Pryor. I'm going
1:02:30
to get killed up there. This is going to be terrible.
1:02:32
And then I realized like, oh, this is just like
1:02:34
martial arts or anything else. You start off terrible and
1:02:37
then you try and then you get better and then
1:02:40
you figure it out. And then, you know, it's like,
1:02:44
but I just wasn't, I was just stunned by how
1:02:46
scared I was more than anything. Yeah. Do you remember
1:02:50
the first time you ever got on stage like at
1:02:52
a honky tonk or?
1:02:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a.
1:02:54
Speaker 2: How old were you? 16.
1:02:57
Speaker 1: It was a true value country showdown. The Rio Palma
1:03:00
on Longview, Texas.
1:03:01
Speaker 2: Wow.
1:03:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was scared to death. Because I was
1:03:04
like the shot kid, too. My dad's a songwriter, too.
1:03:07
You're going to love this.
1:03:09
Speaker 2: He's a cop and a songwriter?
1:03:10
Speaker 1: My dad is a songwriter. He plays guitar. And he
1:03:13
had a band. His cop band on their side gig
1:03:18
was all narcs. And they were called Contraband. They were
1:03:22
a country band called Contraband.
1:03:23
Speaker 3: Can you even?
1:03:24
Speaker 1: That's a great name.
1:03:25
Speaker 2: It's the best. That's a great one. That's funny.
1:03:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he wrote songs, so I was like, I'm
1:03:29
going to enter this contest. My mom was, like, shocked.
1:03:32
Speaker 3: I was, like, working in the yard.
1:03:33
Speaker 1: She's like, go pick the weeds. I'm like, Mom, there's
1:03:35
an ad on the radio for a contest called the
1:03:38
True Value Country Showdown, and I want to enter it.
1:03:40
She was like, what? You don't even talk. You're too shy.
1:03:44
Speaker 3: Like, are you kidding me?
1:03:45
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I want to do it.
1:03:46
And she was like, what are you going to sing?
1:03:47
You had to sing an original song, and I sang
1:03:49
one of my dad's.
1:03:51
Speaker 2: Oh, wow. What was the song?
1:03:52
Speaker 1: It was called, gosh, now I can't think of it.
1:03:57
Too many song titles in my head.
1:03:58
Speaker 3: Way too many.
1:04:00
Speaker 2: It's like Dunbar's number.
1:04:01
Speaker 3: Here I Go Again.
1:04:02
Speaker 1: That's what the title was.
1:04:03
Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
1:04:03
Speaker 1: And so like, because I grew up on like, forever
1:04:06
I thought my dad wrote like Mama Dried because I
1:04:09
grew up with him just playing John Pride and Haggard
1:04:12
and David Allen Coe and Guy Clark, you know. So
1:04:17
I started to realize, oh, some of these are like
1:04:18
my dad's. originals and some of those are Merle Haggard's
1:04:21
they're not just dad's um but like I got up
1:04:25
there and I got I didn't win but I it
1:04:29
was like my first okay like like you were just
1:04:31
saying it was my first like okay maybe I can
1:04:34
I can do this like I I'm green and I'm
1:04:37
shy and I'm new and I'm young but like I
1:04:39
I'm not terrible like I'm I'm kind of equal with
1:04:42
these guys you know what I mean we're all babies
1:04:45
yeah it was exciting and it was um I don't know.
1:04:49
I think that's the first time I was like, okay,
1:04:53
I found something that doesn't feel foreign to me. That's
1:04:57
not so hard to learn. You know what I mean?
1:04:59
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you believe in fate?
1:05:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
1:05:03
Speaker 2: You probably should. Yeah. Right? Because it worked out.
1:05:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
1:05:07
Speaker 2: That's my bias about fate. Like if anybody should believe
1:05:12
in fate, it's people like you or I. But I'm
1:05:14
not sure. My bias is that I believe in it
1:05:18
because it worked out.
1:05:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:05:19
Speaker 2: You know, but I mean, if your life is shit
1:05:21
and you're like, is this fate? Like, what did I
1:05:23
do in a past life? Like, what kind of an
1:05:26
asshole was I? And everything just turned out so terrible,
1:05:32
you know?
1:05:32
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't know. I feel like I
1:05:36
also met my husband in like a crazy way. And
1:05:38
so I can't help but believe in fate.
1:05:40
Speaker 2: There's something to it.
1:05:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe in it.
1:05:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something to it. As much as my rational
1:05:47
mind wants to ignore the possibility, like the randomness of
1:05:51
the universe, the size and scope of it all, do
1:05:53
you really think it matters what you do? But it
1:05:56
does to you, right? It has a giant impact on
1:06:00
your life, and everything matters. Just because there's black holes
1:06:04
doesn't mean your fucking homework doesn't matter. You know, everything matters.
1:06:08
Your whole world, everything matters. It's like you can't think
1:06:11
that things don't matter, like that the universe wouldn't have
1:06:15
a plan for your life. But it seems to have
1:06:19
a plan for everything. Yeah. I mean, all of it
1:06:22
seems to be happening for some sort of a very
1:06:25
bizarre reason, all of it together. So I'm sure that
1:06:29
there's something to fate. But it's just my rational mind
1:06:32
wants to go, that's just your ego. It's like silly.
1:06:34
You could have been born in Somalia. You know, life
1:06:37
could have sucked for you. You know, it's hard to...
1:06:42
Because fate's a weird one. Like, you can't measure it.
1:06:44
You can't put it on a scale. But it seems
1:06:48
to be real. Yeah.
1:06:49
Speaker 1: Well, it's real for us. So then it's real.
1:06:52
Speaker 2: I guess.
1:06:53
Speaker 1: Also, I'm like, your ceiling is giving me.
1:06:56
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:06:56
Speaker 1: I love it. The little shooting stars.
1:06:57
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:06:58
Speaker 1: And you were like, fate is real.
1:07:00
Speaker 2: And it was like, boom.
1:07:01
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, it is.
1:07:03
Speaker 2: If I don't tell people, I didn't tell you. But
1:07:06
sometimes people... I love it. They're like, am I having flashbacks? Like,
1:07:09
what's going on?
1:07:10
Speaker 1: It's awesome. That's what I love about West Texas. Something about, like,
1:07:13
it's just so vast in the middle of nowhere. Like,
1:07:15
the stars are, they feel like they're, we call it
1:07:18
the Thunderdome. When we're, we like lay in the yard
1:07:20
and it just feels like they're, you could reach up
1:07:22
and grab them. Because it's so dark out there.
1:07:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's magical. Well, they're on top of you and
1:07:28
you don't have any light pollution.
1:07:30
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:07:30
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's the thing that ruins the world. Yeah. That's
1:07:34
the problem with New York City. That's why everybody's so stupid.
1:07:36
They're like so like stuck in their own world just
1:07:39
because like they don't realize they're in space.
1:07:42
Speaker 3: Exactly.
1:07:42
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah. You don't get that break. Yeah.
1:07:45
Speaker 1: No breaks.
1:07:45
Speaker 2: There's a break that you get from space that I
1:07:47
don't think you get from anything else where you just
1:07:50
like look up and go, oh, yeah. Okay. I'm taking
1:07:53
all this shit way too seriously.
1:07:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:07:55
Speaker 2: This is nuts. Like just above us.
1:07:58
Speaker 1: It totally is. And also when you said that, it
1:08:01
made me think of what we were talking about earlier
1:08:04
about wisdom and– like, I don't know, just kind of
1:08:08
reaching some goals and taking a breath and calming down
1:08:11
and going, okay, everything's okay. It's like, I just feel like,
1:08:16
I saw a shooting star and lost my train of thought.
1:08:18
I have ADHD.
1:08:20
Speaker 3: I'm like, I lost my whole train of thought.
1:08:23
Speaker 2: Maybe I have to shut them off. Will, we were
1:08:26
talking about space and inspiration and fate. I don't know.
1:08:31
Speaker 1: Squirrel.
1:08:31
Speaker 2: Squirrel.
1:08:35
Speaker 1: What are you zinning over there?
1:08:37
Speaker 2: What are those? Oh, these are Lucy's. They're breakers. Do
1:08:40
you ever take these?
1:08:41
Speaker 1: I don't know what they are, but I like zins.
1:08:44
Speaker 2: Here, try these. These are strong, though. Oh, like what?
1:08:47
Speaker 1: Sixes?
1:08:48
Speaker 2: Nine.
1:08:48
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll pass out.
1:08:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't do it.
1:08:51
Speaker 3: I'm not doing it.
1:08:51
Speaker 2: There's enough for you.
1:08:52
Speaker 3: I'm not doing it.
1:08:53
Speaker 2: This is strong. This one's not. Yeah. These are nines.
1:08:57
I got some fours over here. Oh, you got some fours? here. Oh,
1:09:00
you got some fours?
1:09:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:09:00
Speaker 2: Oh, Chuck, we have fours, huh?
1:09:03
Speaker 1: What's the Lucy's?
1:09:05
Speaker 2: Um.
1:09:06
Speaker 1: Why are they different?
1:09:07
Speaker 2: Um, they have like a little thing inside of them
1:09:10
that you, they're called breakers.
1:09:12
Speaker 1: So what do you do?
1:09:12
Speaker 2: So it's like coffee flavored you put in your mouth.
1:09:15
Speaker 1: Just like this? Uh-huh.
1:09:16
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you crack that little sucker open. It gives
1:09:18
you a little blast of flavor. Oh, it's like a little.
1:09:20
Speaker 1: A little sugar. That looks like a little piece of cupcake.
1:09:23
Speaker 2: A little piece of candy in there for you. I
1:09:24
like it. Those are fours, right? So that's not bad. Oh, Lord.
1:09:28
That's nice.
1:09:29
Speaker 1: Four's nice. If I get up and run out of here.
1:09:31
I already couldn't concentrate because of the shooting.
1:09:34
Speaker 2: I saw a dude online. He got a 50 milligram
1:09:38
one from overseas.
1:09:39
Speaker 1: What?
1:09:40
Speaker 2: Yeah. And he tried it, and he was violently ill
1:09:44
and lying on the ground. Why would you do that? Well,
1:09:47
I think he did it for props, you know, so
1:09:49
he could get some online cred just for the views.
1:09:54
Did it for the gram. Did it work?
1:09:56
Speaker 1: You saw it.
1:09:57
Speaker 2: I watched it. I'm like, you're going to take a 50? Oh,
1:10:00
you're fucked, dude. And he said, oh, my God, it's
1:10:02
like drinking battery acid. And then he was lying on
1:10:03
the ground at the end of it. I was like,
1:10:05
I really fucked up. I made a giant mistake. Because
1:10:07
it's so much nicotine. 50 milligrams is crazy.
1:10:10
Speaker 1: But you're so into health and take such good care
1:10:14
of yourself.
1:10:15
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
1:10:16
Speaker 1: I just tell people, oh, they're good for you.
1:10:19
Speaker 2: Have one.
1:10:21
Speaker 3: What do you think?
1:10:22
Speaker 1: Tell me your opinion of these.
1:10:23
Speaker 2: This whole craze. Nicotine is not bad for you. The
1:10:27
delivery method is what's bad for you. And the delivery
1:10:31
method with cigarettes, in particular, with cigarettes that have a
1:10:35
bunch of chemicals added to them, that's even worse. The
1:10:37
regular cigarettes, like natural cigarettes, I bet are probably not
1:10:40
as bad for you. Dr. Suzanne Humphries, she's a physician
1:10:45
who was on here, was explaining to us like why
1:10:47
regular cigarettes are not as bad. But they're still– it's
1:10:50
still not good for you to be smoking in your lungs.
1:10:52
But nicotine itself is not bad. Nicotine itself is neuroprotectant.
1:10:58
Nicotine itself actually is a nootropic, so– which means it's
1:11:02
cognitively enhancing. So nootropics are like vitamins that help brain
1:11:08
function and there's a bunch of them like– We have
1:11:13
some stuff called AlphaBrain that's great.
1:11:15
Speaker 1: I've seen that.
1:11:15
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of companies that make different versions of nootropic.
1:11:19
But there are nutrients that enhance memory and enhance your
1:11:24
verbal memory, so your ability to recall words. They can
1:11:28
enhance peak alpha flow state. They've done two double-blind placebo-controlled
1:11:34
studies at the Boston Center for Memory with AlphaBrain. It
1:11:38
shows more effectiveness than any of the drugs that they
1:11:41
had studied Over the past nine months before they did this.
1:11:44
This is pretty impressive. So nicotine does that too. Nicotine
1:11:49
enhances your memory, enhances brain function, it stimulates you. So
1:11:54
there's a lot of benefits to nicotine. But the problem is,
1:11:58
how do you take it? How are you taking your nicotine?
1:12:02
Probably one of the best ways is maybe gum. These things.
1:12:07
Speaker 1: People are wearing patches now and stuff.
1:12:08
Speaker 2: Oh, fucking crazy people. That's Ron White. He wears a
1:12:10
goddamn patch. What are you doing, Ron? I got a
1:12:13
patch on and I'm smoking. He's got a cigar. He's
1:12:17
got a Zin. Fucking animal. So good. He's such an animal.
1:12:25
But I think there's real benefit. I know a guy
1:12:28
who puts a nicotine patch on for productivity when he writes.
1:12:33
Speaker 1: That makes sense to me. I feel like Because all
1:12:36
the songwriters are, you know, right now it's everybody in
1:12:39
Nashville is singing. And I'm like, oh, I'll try one.
1:12:42
And it like really does give you a little.
1:12:44
Speaker 2: Stimulant. Yeah.
1:12:45
Speaker 1: And also have a lot of words in my head.
1:12:47
I need to remember words and I also need to
1:12:50
write new words. So anything to help with that.
1:12:53
Speaker 2: Anything you want. If you want to help with memory,
1:12:55
Alpha Brain is a really good one.
1:12:57
Speaker 1: I want to try that. That's a good one. Because
1:12:59
I just think, like, at some point, too, when you're tired,
1:13:03
you know, it just feels like you can't. I mean,
1:13:06
you just saw me lose my train of thought. It's
1:13:07
like I don't want to be on, like, a bunch
1:13:09
of Adderall and stuff.
1:13:10
Speaker 2: No.
1:13:11
Speaker 1: I want to be on. I want to find a
1:13:12
different method to, like, have my brain functioning the best
1:13:15
it can.
1:13:16
Speaker 2: These are addictive, though. And I got to say, different
1:13:20
people have different. levels of like how addicted they get
1:13:23
with these like some people can't not have them i
1:13:26
went on vacation i said i'm gonna go on vacation
1:13:28
and not bring any and see what happens see if
1:13:29
i freak out just to see and nothing zero nothing
1:13:34
it was like i kind of missed them maybe for
1:13:36
a day or two like wanted one didn't have any
1:13:39
and then after like three days i was like oh
1:13:41
this is fine yeah it's not it's not like a
1:13:43
physical like oh my god i'm jones it's not like
1:13:46
smoking i'm a shaken yeah yeah But I know people
1:13:50
that have tried to get off of them that really struggle.
1:13:53
Speaker 1: I mean, it is addictive. I mean, it's nicotine.
1:13:55
Speaker 2: I think the vapes are the hardest to get off of.
1:13:57
Speaker 1: The vapes, like that's, I don't want heat on my
1:13:59
voice either.
1:14:00
Speaker 2: Right. Well, vapes aren't really hot, but it is. If
1:14:04
you buy them ones that are like in the gas station,
1:14:07
like who knows where those are being made.
1:14:09
Speaker 1: But the ones that heat up.
1:14:11
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. The crazy ones.
1:14:12
Speaker 1: I don't like that.
1:14:13
Speaker 2: Adam Curry. Do you know who Adam Curry is? He's
1:14:15
the first podcaster. He used to be MTV VJ. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:14:18
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:14:18
Speaker 2: The guy with the beautiful hair?
1:14:20
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:14:20
Speaker 2: Good friend of mine. He carries around one of those
1:14:23
robot lunchbox vapes, those big old crazy ones where you're blowing.
1:14:28
Speaker 1: And it makes like noises.
1:14:30
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a power bar on the side
1:14:32
of it. It's so ridiculous. And then he blows this giant,
1:14:34
but it's all like he fills it with natural oil
1:14:38
so it's. air quotes, healthy. Air quotes. Yeah.
1:14:43
Speaker 3: That's what people say when they smoke American spirits.
1:14:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's healthy. Come on, there's an Indian on there.
1:14:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
1:14:51
Speaker 2: How come they get away with that? I don't know.
1:14:53
Are American spirits owned by Native Americans? No. So how
1:14:57
the fuck do they have a Native American on there
1:14:58
and not catch any slack? They do, right? Don't they
1:15:01
have an.
1:15:02
Speaker 1: It's a badass pack.
1:15:03
Speaker 2: I've gotten in trouble in the past for stuff. Did they? Yeah,
1:15:05
I'm not... getting into it oh I'm getting into tobacco
1:15:09
company problems.
1:15:11
Speaker 1: He's like uh and pivot did.
1:15:14
Speaker 2: You ever see that movie The Insider with Russell Crowe
1:15:16
I don't think so it's about a guy who works
1:15:18
for a tobacco company that is explaining he was a
1:15:22
chemist and he was explaining how they added all these
1:15:25
different things to make it more addictive and they're trying
1:15:27
to kill him in the film because they don't want
1:15:29
that information getting out he's The Insider it's kind of
1:15:32
a crazy movie and based on a true story wow
1:15:34
yeah They put a bunch of shit in cigarettes to
1:15:39
try to get you hooked.
1:15:40
Speaker 1: Well, then they do it. I mean, it works. People,
1:15:43
that's the hardest one. I feel like it's the most
1:15:46
you hear people talking about trying to quit that and
1:15:48
drinking to me. Like, you know what I mean? Just
1:15:50
on the daily, like I'm in a band. So everybody's like, oh,
1:15:53
I quit. Now they're all like, you got a Zen?
1:15:54
You got a Zen? Because it's just highly addictive.
1:15:58
Speaker 2: I guess. It is, but it's, people want something. They
1:16:02
just want something to take them out of whatever state
1:16:04
they're in. Give me something. Give me a drink. Give
1:16:06
me this. Give me a coffee. Like, everybody I know
1:16:08
that's in Alcoholics Anonymous, they all smoke or drink tons
1:16:12
of coffee.
1:16:12
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
1:16:13
Speaker 2: It's either or both. Yes. Because they just want to
1:16:16
do something, get me. Something's not going to make me
1:16:19
suck dick for bus fare, but I'm going to at
1:16:20
least get a little bit of something different than regular life.
1:16:25
I don't want to be homeless. I don't want to
1:16:26
be cracked out. But give me something. Just give me
1:16:29
a little something to take me away from wherever I
1:16:32
am right now.
1:16:33
Speaker 1: Not that far away, just a little bit away.
1:16:34
Speaker 2: Just a little next door. Let me go next door
1:16:37
and hide.
1:16:40
Speaker 1: I'm going to start saying that when I'm like, I
1:16:41
need to go next door. Yeah, I'm going to go
1:16:43
next door.
1:16:44
Speaker 2: Just a little bit. I don't want to go too
1:16:46
far away. I can hear everybody.
1:16:47
Speaker 1: Am I supposed to break this little candy thing?
1:16:49
Speaker 2: I do. Yeah, I break it right away. You just
1:16:52
crack down on that little sucker.
1:16:53
Speaker 1: What's in there?
1:16:54
Speaker 2: Probably candy. Ooh. Nice, right?
1:16:57
Speaker 1: That's like a little burst of happiness.
1:16:59
Speaker 2: A little burst of flavor. I went next door. I
1:17:01
like those. I like those.
1:17:03
Speaker 1: That's funny.
1:17:04
Speaker 2: My buddy Duncan found out that his blood sugar goes
1:17:07
up when he vapes. Because he was buying those gas
1:17:10
station vapes and, you know, he got type 2 diabetes
1:17:14
because he was eating too much sugar. He's okay. Don't worry.
1:17:17
But he realized because he monitors his blood glucose that, like,
1:17:22
when he was vaping, his blood was going through the roof.
1:17:25
I go, okay, why do you think that is? Like,
1:17:28
why do you think it's strawberry flavored? What the fuck
1:17:30
do you think's in there, bro? You're eating candy all day. Like,
1:17:32
you're vaping on sugar.
1:17:34
Speaker 1: Sugar oils?
1:17:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It has to be. Yeah. It has to be.
1:17:39
I mean, if it's like grape flavored or whatever the
1:17:41
hell it is, it's like there's some. Also, who knows
1:17:46
what kind of oil they're putting in those damn things.
1:17:48
Speaker 1: It stinks.
1:17:49
Speaker 2: It's probably made in China or somewhere. I watched a
1:17:52
video on TikTok of these dudes testing them. So some
1:17:56
dude is just sucking on each one of them to
1:17:58
make sure they work at the factory.
1:18:00
Speaker 1: What's going to happen to him?
1:18:01
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen to you because
1:18:02
you're sucking on the same one that he was sucking on.
1:18:05
Nobody cleans those things off. You just get them at
1:18:07
the gas station and stick it right in your mouth.
1:18:09
Speaker 1: That's like a karaoke mic.
1:18:10
Speaker 2: Yes.
1:18:12
Speaker 3: That's nasty.
1:18:13
Speaker 2: So nasty.
1:18:14
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm spitting this out.
1:18:14
Speaker 2: Pause, pause. Oh, you're getting rid of it? It's like
1:18:18
a buzz.
1:18:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a little buzz.
1:18:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little buzz. You went next door.
1:18:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that.
1:18:24
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I'm going next door.
1:18:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyway, nicotine vapes, I don't think they're good
1:18:29
for you. Folks, sorry. Because people thought they were healthier
1:18:33
for you than cigarettes. But it turns out, like, no.
1:18:37
Not only they're not. Yeah, here's this. Oh, God. Look,
1:18:39
he's testing all of them. All those cute little pink ones.
1:18:41
He's got to make sure they all work. By the way,
1:18:43
how hooked is that guy? That guy must be awful
1:18:46
fucking hooked where is this taking place does it say
1:18:50
in the that guy has to test all of them
1:18:54
i would like to see like what that guy's look
1:18:56
that guy looks like he's 15 years old no seven
1:19:01
to eight thousand tests per day oh that's terrible Bro,
1:19:06
test his lungs. Because there's a thing called popcorn lung
1:19:09
that kids are getting.
1:19:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard of that.
1:19:11
Speaker 2: The thing about these things is that they're very, very addictive.
1:19:15
They're more addictive than I think any other delivery method.
1:19:20
And the thing about nicotine vapes is the first vape
1:19:24
of the day is the only one you really want.
1:19:26
The first vape of the day, I would take a
1:19:28
vape and be like, this is wonderful. Like this feeling
1:19:33
is wonderful. It's wonderful. And then you chase that dragon,
1:19:36
and you never get it back until the next day.
1:19:38
The rest of the day, you're sucking on this thing, going. Yeah. Nope, nothing.
1:19:42
I'm not getting it. I'm not getting that wonderful feeling. Yeah.
1:19:46
You have to have no nicotine in your system, and
1:19:48
then you have that one hit. It's like, welcome me
1:19:51
into your life.
1:19:52
Speaker 1: Do you get like, do these people get like that
1:19:54
feeling from those patches?
1:19:56
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think the patches just make you.
1:19:59
Speaker 1: Oh, like a little Adderall-y?
1:20:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like. I'm sure people have Adderall patches, don't they?
1:20:04
Do they have an Adderall patch? I don't think so. No?
1:20:08
Adderall's a sketchy one. I had someone here the other
1:20:10
day was telling me they were doing Adderall right before.
1:20:13
I did an Adderall just so I'm ready.
1:20:15
Speaker 1: It's like, it's a writing. It's very helpful for writing.
1:20:18
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure.
1:20:19
Speaker 1: It's like, you don't want to have, I don't want
1:20:21
to need it. So that's why I was like, what
1:20:23
brain thing is going to take?
1:20:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:20:25
Speaker 2: What are Lucy's? What does it say, Jamie? Oh, amphetamine patch.
1:20:29
There it is.
1:20:30
Speaker 3: Oh, sure are.
1:20:31
Speaker 2: ADHD treatment that lets you control your time, your way.
1:20:34
They always say that. Like, look, this is a woman
1:20:37
who's in control. Look at her with her jean jacket on,
1:20:39
her arms crossed. I'm in control. She's got a controlled posture.
1:20:43
Look at her posture. I'm on a meth patch. I'm
1:20:47
in control. A meth patch.
1:20:50
Speaker 1: Please, Lord, no.
1:20:52
Speaker 2: You are literally on a drug that will kill your superpower.
1:20:56
You got a superpower and you're killing it with a drug.
1:20:58
So you could focus on.
1:20:59
Speaker 1: I definitely don't want a patch of that.
1:21:01
Speaker 2: Yeah. No thanks.
1:21:02
Speaker 1: No thanks.
1:21:03
Speaker 2: I don't need it. Maybe somebody needs it. I don't
1:21:05
want to judge. But the reality is that stuff, the
1:21:09
amphetamines in any shape or form are highly addictive. Yeah.
1:21:14
And they're passing them out like candy. Yeah. My daughter's
1:21:17
in high school and a bunch of kids in high
1:21:19
school have air quotes ADHD. And because of ADHD, they
1:21:24
get Adderall. And then also they get more time on
1:21:26
tests because they got ADHD. They can't focus. So they're
1:21:30
fucking on speed.
1:21:31
Speaker 1: Tricks of the trade.
1:21:33
Speaker 2: Yeah. Because it's very competitive. Parents want to get their
1:21:36
kids into colleges. They're getting their kids diagnosed so they
1:21:40
can get their kid hooked on whatever they're probably already
1:21:43
hooked on too because a lot of people that are
1:21:44
adults are hooked on it.
1:21:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:21:45
Speaker 2: And you can tell those folks because they come to
1:21:47
the parent-teacher meetings and they can't shut the fuck up.
1:21:49
And they just want to talk to you about everything. Oh,
1:21:51
my God. Raise their hand. Raise their hand. They want
1:21:54
to corner me and ask me about some episode I did. Oh,
1:21:56
my God, I love that episode that you did with
1:21:57
the guy about climate. Your eyes. They're so cracked out.
1:22:00
They're so obviously cracked out. And there's a lot of
1:22:03
people out there just running around cracked out, but they
1:22:05
feel like they got it from the doctor. The doctor
1:22:07
gave me the– I'll tell you, 30 milligrams and I'm
1:22:09
just a better person. I think it's better about all tasks.
1:22:12
Speaker 1: I'm actually– I like talk to that person daily. Like
1:22:16
I feel like those people are everywhere.
1:22:18
Speaker 2: They're everywhere.
1:22:18
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:22:19
Speaker 2: Well, we looked it up. Use Perplexity, which is one
1:22:23
of our sponsors, and find out how many prescriptions for
1:22:27
Adderall they wrote in, let's say, 2024. Let's take a guess.
1:22:33
How many do you think?
1:22:34
Speaker 1: I mean, I could not even ballpark that.
1:22:36
Speaker 2: I want to say 40 million. I bet it's 40
1:22:40
million prescriptions at least. It's probably a lot more. But
1:22:44
I'm going conservative and I'm saying 40 million prescriptions for
1:22:48
Adderall in 2024. What do you want? You want to guess?
1:22:52
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:22:53
Speaker 1: Take a guess.
1:22:56
Speaker 2: 51. 51. You're probably closer. I bet it's like 90.
1:22:58
I bet it's nuts.
1:22:59
Speaker 1: I hope it's not.
1:23:00
Speaker 2: I bet it is because it's like individual people refilling prescriptions.
1:23:03
You know, I don't think it's like 90 million patients,
1:23:06
but it's a lot. I bet it's all journalists. I
1:23:10
bet like most people that are writing things. Yeah. Yeah.
1:23:14
I bet that in, what is it? Okay. How many
1:23:16
Adderall prescriptions were written in 2024? According to Plexi, 45
1:23:21
million Adderall prescriptions written in the United States. Well, we
1:23:24
were both in the middle. Yeah. What did you go? 51? Yeah.
1:23:27
I said 40. Commonly prescribed stimulants for conditions such as
1:23:32
ADHD and narcolepsy. This number follows several years of notable growth. Huh. Weird.
1:23:37
No more people need it.
1:23:38
Speaker 1: It's up since 2019.
1:23:40
Speaker 2: Look at that. Yeah. Notable growth. Data suggests the prescription
1:23:43
rates began to decline slightly after a sharp surge during
1:23:46
the COVID-19 pandemic and shortages affected. I'll stop. 2019, it
1:23:53
was only 35. Interesting. So it's up 10 million. Whew.
1:23:59
That's crazy. 41.4 million in 2021 and 45 million by 2023.
1:24:05
I bet there's a lot of people getting it illegally, too. Like,
1:24:09
what's that number? Okay, let's... That's because there was that shortage.
1:24:13
Speaker 1: Right.
1:24:13
Speaker 2: They've recovered from it.
1:24:15
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
1:24:15
Speaker 2: Well, also, once the shortage started, people got dealers. Sure.
1:24:19
Speaker 1: But people are using mushrooms and stuff for that now, too.
1:24:22
Speaker 2: That's a very different thing.
1:24:23
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot about that.
1:24:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. Microdosing mushrooms, that's a very different thing than Adderall.
1:24:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:24:29
Speaker 2: That's like the opposite of Adderall. Yeah.
1:24:31
Speaker 1: Even if it's for focus, right?
1:24:34
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it'll help your focus.
1:24:37
Speaker 3: On something.
1:24:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you gotta be, you gotta mind your P's
1:24:41
and Q's when it comes to your dosages. Also, like,
1:24:42
where are you getting that from?
1:24:43
Speaker 1: That's so scary for me. Like, I'm like, where is
1:24:45
it from? Like, did you just go to the cow pasture?
1:24:47
Because that's, like, what teenagers do when, I heard they
1:24:50
were doing mushrooms, like, they're, like, cow tipping and going, you.
1:24:53
Speaker 3: Know, I'm from East Texas.
1:24:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, they definitely found them growing on poop. I mean,
1:24:58
that's how all humans originally probably discovered psilocybin. They found
1:25:03
them on cow poop. Yeah. But But the thing about that, though,
1:25:07
is like you got to get them from somebody who
1:25:10
knows what they're doing. They're all different. And you can
1:25:13
get some that are crazy strong. Like there's some out
1:25:17
there that will knock you into another universe. So what
1:25:21
do you do? Are you just eating a cap? Are
1:25:23
you paying attention to that? Are you getting them in
1:25:25
pill form? Who are you getting them from? Like I
1:25:27
have a friend who gets them from a friend. And
1:25:31
I was like, who's the guy? Who's the guy? You're
1:25:34
not seeing these things get packaged? Get the fuck out
1:25:37
of here.
1:25:37
Speaker 1: It's a little shady.
1:25:39
Speaker 2: Super sketch. Super sketch. And they all, it's like marijuana
1:25:43
edibles before the legality in California. When it was medical,
1:25:48
it was crazy. Because now they, because of the regulations
1:25:53
in California, I think the most they can make them
1:25:55
is 10 milligrams, which is. Normal. It's a normal dose.
1:25:59
But before that, when it was medical, like it became
1:26:02
medical in the 90s, they would make 500 milligram Chiba Chews.
1:26:08
These things that like, they're 500 milligrams, which is insane.
1:26:12
It puts you in another dimension.
1:26:13
Speaker 1: I never even heard of that.
1:26:15
Speaker 2: They're so strong. And my friend Joey, who's a real demon,
1:26:19
Joey used to take the wrapper off of 25 milligram
1:26:23
ones and give people a 500 milligram one instead.
1:26:27
Speaker 3: Oh, he's a real demon.
1:26:30
Speaker 2: And he would just laugh because he can tolerate insane doses.
1:26:35
So he would give people, like, preposterous amounts.
1:26:38
Speaker 1: I have a songwriter friend, and I love her dearly.
1:26:40
But whatever she says, do this, I'm like, do a
1:26:43
quarter of that. Whatever that is to the public, do
1:26:46
yourself a service.
1:26:48
Speaker 3: Do a quarter of that.
1:26:50
Speaker 2: Some people have ridiculous tolerances. For marijuana.
1:26:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. Yeah.
1:26:54
Speaker 2: For anything.
1:26:55
Speaker 1: I'm just overheard. That's taking a Lucy from a random dude.
1:27:00
Speaker 2: Well, it's only four milligrams. It's minor. It wasn't that bad, right?
1:27:05
I would never, like the nine I would have told you,
1:27:07
like spit that out real quick. It's a lot. It's
1:27:09
a lot. I have 12s.
1:27:11
Speaker 1: What do you use those for? Real busy days?
1:27:13
Speaker 2: I don't like them. They jolt me too much, but
1:27:15
I have them. This is just because Lucy sent them
1:27:17
to me. But I think the right dose is three
1:27:19
or four. That's right. It's just a little pick me up.
1:27:22
Just a little.
1:27:24
Speaker 3: Not the cracked out soccer ball?
1:27:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, not the cracked out. I've never tried Adderall. I'm
1:27:29
scared of it. I want to try it one day
1:27:32
because I'm scared of it. Because I'm like, I need
1:27:34
to know what everybody's fussing about. Because everybody I know
1:27:37
that's tried it is like, don't try it. You'll love it.
1:27:39
You'll love it. You'll fucking love it.
1:27:40
Speaker 3: It is focus.
1:27:41
Speaker 2: I mean, it is.
1:27:42
Speaker 1: It really hones in.
1:27:43
Speaker 2: I have a buddy of mine, and his wife told
1:27:45
him to stop because he was snorting it. Because he
1:27:47
was writing.
1:27:48
Speaker 1: That's insane.
1:27:48
Speaker 2: He's like, that's the best way to get it real quick.
1:27:51
And he was like to his wife, he's like, why
1:27:52
do you care how I do it? She's like, you're
1:27:54
snorting drugs while the kids are asleep. He's like, okay.
1:27:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a little far, dude.
1:28:00
Speaker 2: Slow your roll. He's not an addict, though. He just
1:28:03
felt like. He's not an addict, though.
1:28:04
Speaker 1: He's not an addict.
1:28:05
Speaker 2: He felt like he had to snort to really get
1:28:08
the most out of it quickly.
1:28:09
Speaker 1: Well, everybody, like you said, everybody's trying to find something.
1:28:12
Speaker 2: Because I think if you take it as a pill,
1:28:13
it probably takes like an hour before it kicks in.
1:28:15
And he didn't have an hour. So he's like, I
1:28:20
have a deadline. Yeah.
1:28:21
Speaker 1: Does your friend that disappears, does he like have, he
1:28:25
doesn't have phone, no digital, no nothing. I wonder if
1:28:28
that digital detox is like one of the hardest ones.
1:28:30
Speaker 2: I feel like it's gotta be the hardest. Yeah. I've
1:28:32
done a social media detoxes for multiple days and you
1:28:36
genuinely feel better. And then you go, why am I
1:28:40
doing this to myself or I don't do this I
1:28:42
know all the.
1:28:43
Speaker 1: Time something that's annoying if I can just say it
1:28:45
is that like when people do take a break from
1:28:48
social media that's like all they tell you about the
1:28:50
whole time well I'm on a break from social media
1:28:52
I'm like can you be on a break without telling
1:28:55
anybody that you're on a break from social.
1:28:57
Speaker 2: Media right they have to tell you how virtuous they
1:28:59
are god I am actually going to break social media,
1:29:02
unlike you.
1:29:03
Speaker 1: I'm like, cool, bro.
1:29:04
Speaker 2: You, you little addict. Scrolling through cat videos.
1:29:07
Speaker 3: Doom scrolling.
1:29:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of doom scrolling. Yeah, it's like
1:29:12
people who do yoga. They can't shut the fuck up
1:29:14
about it.
1:29:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, or people with like a special diet.
1:29:19
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
1:29:20
Speaker 1: Carnivore people. You're hearing about it.
1:29:22
Speaker 2: Vegans are the worst.
1:29:23
Speaker 1: You're going to hear about it.
1:29:24
Speaker 2: They're the absolute worst. Like, no one has ever met
1:29:27
a vegan that didn't tell them they're vegan. It doesn't happen.
1:29:30
They always tell you. Never.
1:29:31
Speaker 1: Not like that.
1:29:31
Speaker 2: They work it into a conversation. Eventually. They'll let you
1:29:34
know how virtuous they are.
1:29:35
Speaker 1: It's like, you can not eat meat and not tell anyone. Yeah.
1:29:40
Just shh.
1:29:42
Speaker 2: Do it as a spiritual growth. Just like an exercise.
1:29:44
Speaker 1: It's your little secret with yourself.
1:29:46
Speaker 2: Yeah. Your little secret with yourself is you're not on
1:29:49
social media. Yeah. So don't.
1:29:52
Speaker 3: Tell me.
1:29:52
Speaker 2: My favorite is people who are on social media making
1:29:55
fun of people that are on social media because there's
1:29:57
a lot of, like, really not self-aware people. They're, like,
1:30:01
mocking people that spend all their time on social media
1:30:04
while they're making videos on social media. Like, that's rich.
1:30:10
Speaker 1: It overwhelms me, honestly. I'm trying to– you can't keep
1:30:13
up with it, so I just– I don't try to
1:30:15
keep up with it. Like, I was just talking on
1:30:17
the way here.
1:30:17
Speaker 2: I was like.
1:30:18
Speaker 1: Maybe I need to get on TikTok.
1:30:20
Speaker 3: There's a lot of music on TikTok.
1:30:22
Speaker 1: There's a lot of musicians. We have a label now
1:30:25
called Big Loud Texas. Our office is in Austin. And
1:30:28
I'm like, I know there's amazing talent on there. And
1:30:30
one of our flagship artists, Dylan Gossett, posted something awesome
1:30:34
on there. And now he's out there crushing it. So
1:30:37
I feel like I'm missing out. But then I'm like,
1:30:40
do I need one more thing? I don't know. It's
1:30:42
like this battle.
1:30:43
Speaker 2: Do you have an assistant?
1:30:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have a great management team, too.
1:30:46
Speaker 2: This is great. Get your assistant on TikTok, and then
1:30:49
tell them to let you know if anything's cool and
1:30:51
show it to you.
1:30:52
Speaker 1: She did that, and we signed a guy.
1:30:53
Speaker 2: His name's Alex Lambert. You got it. That's what happened. Perfect.
1:30:56
That way you don't have to be on it. Right.
1:30:58
So you can avoid it, and she'll be a net
1:31:00
that catches all the good fish. Cameron.
1:31:02
Speaker 1: It's all you, girl.
1:31:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all you, girl. So she'll catch the good fish.
1:31:07
You don't have to go by the river. Just stay
1:31:09
off that TikTok river.
1:31:10
Speaker 1: I needed that talk today because we just had that
1:31:12
talk on the plane on the way here today.
1:31:14
Speaker 2: Because it's a raging.
1:31:15
Speaker 1: River of stuff.
1:31:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should be scared.
1:31:17
Speaker 1: I'm already like, ooh, everything's just a lot of information.
1:31:21
Speaker 2: All the time. I know. For me, it's like a
1:31:23
show of force when I leave my phone on the
1:31:26
nightstand when I go to the bathroom. It's like, I'm
1:31:29
going to take a shit without my phone.
1:31:31
Speaker 1: Do you tell everybody?
1:31:32
Speaker 2: Nope. See, good. Just told you. See, good. Just told you.
1:31:35
Speaker 1: See, you're not one of those.
1:31:36
Speaker 3: You're not like, I'm on a social media break.
1:31:38
Speaker 2: No. My wife has, like, an app on her phone
1:31:41
that shows, like, how long she's been without social media. Like,
1:31:45
if you want to go on social media, you have
1:31:46
to go into the app, enter a password, and open
1:31:48
everything up.
1:31:49
Speaker 1: I think that's so smart.
1:31:50
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. And she showed me the other day. It was, like,
1:31:53
90 hours. I was like, that must feel so good.
1:31:55
She's like, you feel different. You feel different. It's not
1:31:57
good for you. Bad for everybody.
1:31:59
Speaker 1: No, but we need it. But we, for some things,
1:32:01
I get it.
1:32:03
Speaker 2: It's great for artists. It's great to promote your work.
1:32:06
It's great for comedians to put clips up. It's great
1:32:08
for musicians to put songs out there. It's great. It
1:32:11
is great in a lot of ways. I'm so happy
1:32:14
it exists.
1:32:15
Speaker 1: Oh, me too. I was stapling my posters to a
1:32:17
phone pole when I started.
1:32:18
Speaker 2: Wow.
1:32:19
Speaker 1: I did it old school. Boots on the ground, walking
1:32:23
up to the radio station, knocking on the door saying,
1:32:25
can I play a song? Really? Yes. Have you ever
1:32:29
seen Loretta Lynn's? Life story. Have you ever seen Coal
1:32:32
Miner's Daughter?
1:32:32
Speaker 2: Yes. That.
1:32:34
Speaker 1: Like me and my mom with the bologna sandwich in
1:32:35
my mom's Ford Expedition. Like driving around all over Texas.
1:32:38
Me going, I'm a singer-songwriter. And now I'm like, dang,
1:32:42
I'm jealous of the way that people can do it now.
1:32:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you probably developed so much character
1:32:48
doing it the way you did it. Yeah.
1:32:49
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for that. But I'm also like, well, damn.
1:32:53
These kids, they just post something and 100 million people
1:32:57
see it in a night. What's happening?
1:32:59
Speaker 2: Well, the problem with that is sometimes people get fame
1:33:03
they're not really ready for yet. And I think doing
1:33:07
what you did and going to bars and then eventually
1:33:11
becoming famous after years and years of performing and promoting
1:33:17
yourself and getting your chops on stage and really settling
1:33:21
into yourself. That is so much better than being like
1:33:23
a 20-year-old kid that sits around and comes up with
1:33:27
a song. Look at Oliver Anthony. Oliver Anthony is a
1:33:30
good friend of mine. He was selling fucking farm equipment.
1:33:34
He makes that North of Richmond song, and all of
1:33:38
a sudden he's a giant superstar.
1:33:40
Speaker 1: That's jolting.
1:33:40
Speaker 2: Dude, I had a phone call with him while it
1:33:44
was going down.
1:33:46
Speaker 1: Was he just like, help?
1:33:47
Speaker 2: I mean, that's crazy. Yeah, he's like, people are offering
1:33:50
me money. I go, don't take any money from anybody.
1:33:52
Do not sign with anybody. I go, you don't need anybody.
1:33:55
You already did it, right? You've got talent and you're
1:33:58
already famous, right? You just made a giant hit song.
1:34:01
Don't give away any of you. Yes. Don't sell it.
1:34:04
You know, he's like, well, they're telling me I got
1:34:06
to strike while they aren't. So I'm like, fuck those people.
1:34:08
They don't know what they're talking about. You could do
1:34:09
this again. You can do this again and again and again.
1:34:11
And now that you already did it, it's going to
1:34:12
be way easier the second time because everybody's going to
1:34:15
be waiting to see what you say next. Yeah, I know.
1:34:18
Speaker 1: And that's like, also, nobody, you can't learn. It's like
1:34:24
you do the journey in reverse.
1:34:26
Speaker 2: Well, he did the first show he ever did was
1:34:29
a giant sold-out, the first time he ever performed live,
1:34:32
giant sold-out show when he was already famous.
1:34:36
Speaker 1: It's so mind-boggling. I can't even put it into words.
1:34:41
Because I'm thinking how you get your chops and how
1:34:44
you did it fight by fight. You did it stage
1:34:46
by stage during comedy. It just happened so fast. And
1:34:50
it's like, And then you still have to pay the dues,
1:34:53
but it's just backwards.
1:34:55
Speaker 2: The thing is, though, he paid the dues as a
1:34:58
regular blue-collar human being working.
1:35:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did, for sure.
1:35:01
Speaker 2: And that's where he developed his character. So that when
1:35:05
it all came, he's like, oh, my God, I just
1:35:07
stepped into a magic story. Right. Like he had a
1:35:10
regular story.
1:35:11
Speaker 1: Right.
1:35:11
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden the genie came along
1:35:13
and abracadabra. the internet and the internet just put that
1:35:17
song out there and everyone's like, holy shit, this song's great.
1:35:20
And all of a sudden he's hugely famous, but he
1:35:22
had character.
1:35:23
Speaker 1: For someone that being a real person, 17, you know
1:35:26
what I mean?
1:35:27
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
1:35:28
Speaker 1: It scares me. I'm just like, we still got to
1:35:30
go do the work now. You still got to start
1:35:32
developing who you are now, even though the world already
1:35:35
knows who they think you are.
1:35:37
Speaker 2: You know, it's almost impossible if you start too young.
1:35:40
Like we were talking about that with Michael Jackson the
1:35:43
other day. That like no one can teach you how
1:35:46
to do that and no one survives that. Everybody who's
1:35:49
famous when they're a little kid, they're all fucked up.
1:35:52
No one gets through.
1:35:53
Speaker 1: It comes with a really high cost. You can see it.
1:35:57
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always make the analogy that's like you're making
1:36:00
cement but you don't put the right ingredients in and
1:36:03
you can't go back and remix it. Right. Like if
1:36:06
you don't put enough water in or you don't put
1:36:08
enough sand in, that cement sucks. It's always going to
1:36:10
be fucked up. And that's what it's like when you're
1:36:12
a kid and you get famous. Like, you didn't allow
1:36:15
that person to mix correctly. Right.
1:36:18
Speaker 1: I think that, like, that's why I'm glad I, you know,
1:36:21
I didn't go to college, but I got to have
1:36:23
the learning times of just being 17, 18, 19, 20. Like,
1:36:27
just learning life, like, while playing music. But it was
1:36:32
just kind of in some... dive bar somewhere. It wasn't
1:36:36
in front of people. You know what I mean? And
1:36:39
you get to build your character. You get to figure
1:36:41
out who you are. And that's why I think the
1:36:43
down by the river and the TikTok river. I learned
1:36:48
two things. I would refer to it as down by
1:36:50
the river and I need to go next door.
1:36:51
Speaker 2: The TikTok river. Yeah. It's a raging river too. That's
1:36:56
a scary ass river. That river never stops. It never stops.
1:37:00
Speaker 1: Which we're thankful for it too, by the way. Like
1:37:01
I found some great talent and Learn some really cool
1:37:04
recipes and get to talk about rescue dogs, you know.
1:37:07
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:37:07
Speaker 1: There's the good things about it.
1:37:09
Speaker 2: There's great things. It's basically a new element of human
1:37:12
civilization that we have to contend with, that we've never
1:37:16
figured out how to. There's no real precedent on how
1:37:21
to navigate this, especially as a child. No children ever
1:37:24
grew up with it before. These are the first children
1:37:26
that are growing up with it.
1:37:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:37:27
Speaker 2: And no one can tell them how to do it right.
1:37:29
We can just observe what's going wrong with it. Yeah.
1:37:32
It's real sketchy. Yeah. It's real weird. And people say
1:37:37
to me, like, do you let your kids on social media?
1:37:39
I'm like, yes, because they have to be able to
1:37:41
handle it and they have to know what it is.
1:37:43
But also don't do it. One of my daughters, my youngest,
1:37:47
also has that same app on her phone. She never
1:37:49
goes on social media anymore.
1:37:51
Speaker 1: How old is she?
1:37:52
Speaker 2: She's 15. So she stays off of it and she'll
1:37:55
watch YouTube. She'll watch YouTube videos and stuff like that.
1:37:57
But like social media, she's like, it just doesn't. I
1:38:00
don't like it. It's not good for you. And it
1:38:02
gets in the way of school work and it gets
1:38:03
in the way of stuff she's doing, so she stays
1:38:05
off it. But she's just wise. If I was 15,
1:38:08
I'd be fucked. I would have been fucked. I was
1:38:11
so dumb. Oh, no.
1:38:13
Speaker 1: I don't believe that for a second.
1:38:14
Speaker 2: I would have been TikTok-ing all day. I would have
1:38:16
been making all kinds of stupid videos to try to
1:38:18
get attention. That's also part of the problem is that
1:38:20
kids are doing things just to try to get attention
1:38:24
rather than doing things because they really love an art
1:38:27
form they're trying to get better at. If you make
1:38:30
a great song and you're 17 years old and it
1:38:33
goes viral, at least you're doing a thing, like you're
1:38:37
doing an art thing. Yeah, 100%. You're not just trying
1:38:40
to get attention. And there's a lot of people out
1:38:42
there that don't have a thing. They're just trying to
1:38:45
get attention. If you ask young kids, like, what do
1:38:47
you want to do when you grow older? When you
1:38:50
grow up, a lot of them, a giant percentage of
1:38:54
them just want to be famous.
1:38:54
Speaker 1: I was about to say that. Like, I saw that,
1:38:56
whatever that study was, and I read about it, and
1:38:58
it was like, but famous for what?
1:39:01
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
1:39:02
Speaker 1: Like, you just want to be famous?
1:39:04
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
1:39:05
Speaker 1: But what skill or what trade or what, like, what
1:39:09
do you?
1:39:09
Speaker 2: Just famous. Just famous. Why? Kim Kardashian.
1:39:13
Speaker 1: Why in the world?
1:39:14
Speaker 3: Like, that sounds awful.
1:39:16
Speaker 2: Because they see cameras going off and people are staring
1:39:19
at you. And that's a person. That's an important person.
1:39:22
You know, a lot of people just want to be
1:39:23
an important person. They want to be a person with
1:39:25
the nice stuff. Like, look at the nice house and
1:39:28
look at the nice cars and look at the nice
1:39:29
watch and the nice this and them. They just want
1:39:32
to be an important person. And the society that they
1:39:35
are growing up in shows them that all you have
1:39:37
to do is be famous. Yeah. Like Kim Kardashian is
1:39:41
one of the most famous people alive. She doesn't do anything.
1:39:44
It's not like a thing like we can point to. Oh,
1:39:47
she's like the best. She's the best painter. She's the
1:39:51
best singer. Nope. Nothing. Zero. Zero things. Super famous. Worth
1:39:55
a billion dollars. And then kids are like, that's what
1:39:57
I want to do. Especially if they're dumb. And unfortunately,
1:40:00
a lot of people are dumb. And those people never
1:40:03
thought they would ever be famous before. But now you
1:40:05
can be dumb and famous.
1:40:08
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a statement.
1:40:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, dumb. You can be dumb and famous and not
1:40:12
be good at anything. Maybe you can be dumb, but
1:40:14
you're the greatest baseball player of all time. That's great.
1:40:16
And you're famous. But no, you're dumb and you're famous
1:40:19
and you don't do anything. You're not good at a thing.
1:40:23
Speaker 1: There's no fulfillment in that, right? There can't be.
1:40:28
Speaker 2: There's not.
1:40:29
Speaker 1: Even if you're not great at the thing or a
1:40:32
thing or if you try a bunch of stuff and
1:40:33
you kind of suck at all of it, but you
1:40:35
Or working on it or whatever. There's fulfillment in that.
1:40:40
There's like an accomplishment. Like I paint folk chickens and
1:40:44
I'm terrible at it.
1:40:45
Speaker 2: You what?
1:40:46
Speaker 1: Just folk art chickens. I don't even know why. I
1:40:48
have no idea why. And they're not good at all.
1:40:52
Speaker 2: You make paintings of chickens?
1:40:53
Speaker 1: I just paint them on little canvases.
1:40:54
Speaker 2: What's a folk chicken?
1:40:55
Speaker 1: Well, I just call it folk art because it's bad.
1:40:57
Speaker 3: And when I look up folk art, I'm like, oh,
1:40:59
I can do that.
1:41:01
Speaker 1: Like some folk art's amazing, but I look up like
1:41:03
folk art for beginners and I'll like get inspired. I'll
1:41:05
be like, oh, I could, I could do that.
1:41:06
Speaker 2: I've never heard that genre before.
1:41:08
Speaker 1: Look it up. It's kind of, it's anything and everything.
1:41:10
Speaker 2: Jamie, will you please look up folk art?
1:41:11
Speaker 1: Folk art.
1:41:11
Speaker 2: What is the definition of folk art?
1:41:13
Speaker 1: That kind of stuff.
1:41:16
Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Like just kind of. Reflect the cultural life
1:41:19
of a community associated with fields of folklore and cultural heritage.
1:41:24
Speaker 1: Huh.
1:41:25
Speaker 2: It's a 19th century concept.
1:41:27
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it. I just am. drawn
1:41:29
to it because i think it's cute and fun do you.
1:41:31
Speaker 2: Have any of your stuff online no it's like.
1:41:34
Speaker 1: In my backpack i'm not gonna show anybody this is
1:41:36
like i painted one for my mom she has to
1:41:38
hang it up mom she put.
1:41:43
Speaker 3: In her kitchen i didn't know.
1:41:45
Speaker 2: That that was it show me some more of those
1:41:47
images i didn't know that that was a genre i
1:41:49
had no idea.
1:41:50
Speaker 1: That was a thing but i'm terrible at it and
1:41:52
i don't know anything about it and i would like
1:41:53
to learn i want to take some like i look
1:41:55
up like youtube classes or.
1:41:56
Speaker 2: Whatever So it's like, keep it on there. So it's
1:41:59
like not realistic.
1:42:01
Speaker 3: Folk art chicken.
1:42:01
Speaker 2: Folk art chicken. Okay, there's a folk art chicken. Let's see.
1:42:04
Speaker 1: Look, they're so cute. Look how cute they are.
1:42:06
Speaker 2: Okay.
1:42:07
Speaker 1: Like that one, like that little chunky one in the middle,
1:42:09
the black and white one.
1:42:10
Speaker 2: How about the whimsical red hen above your cursor?
1:42:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, see? That's like, I'm only as good as like,
1:42:15
go back. That one. Yeah, that's about.
1:42:17
Speaker 2: See that one that says whimsical red hen right there
1:42:19
above your cursor?
1:42:20
Speaker 1: Oh, she's cute.
1:42:20
Speaker 2: Above your cursor.
1:42:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:42:22
Speaker 2: Yeah. Click on that one.
1:42:22
Speaker 1: See, I could like.
1:42:25
Speaker 2: Oh, but that one.
1:42:26
Speaker 1: But you like, and I'll go to like. YouTube is
1:42:28
of teaching me. All that to say, I'm trying something.
1:42:31
Speaker 2: I think it's great that you're doing different things. Boy,
1:42:36
some of these chickens are terrible. How about that one?
1:42:39
Speaker 1: Hey, it's art. You cannot speak ill of that.
1:42:41
Speaker 2: Chicken like that, that chicken, that's a drone.
1:42:44
Speaker 1: That's what I look like, for real.
1:42:45
Speaker 2: That's a drone. They're so bad. Put in my yard
1:42:48
by China.
1:42:49
Speaker 1: My husband is probably dying out there that I even
1:42:51
brought this up.
1:42:51
Speaker 3: He's like, are you talking about your stupid folk art chickens?
1:42:54
Speaker 1: So I'll just be in there, he's like cooking, and
1:42:56
I'm just like, I'm painting my chickens right now.
1:42:58
Speaker 2: Always chickens?
1:42:58
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
1:43:00
Speaker 2: I have no idea. It's easy. It's fate. It's fate.
1:43:04
You're designed to be the greatest folk art chicken.
1:43:06
Speaker 1: That's my next song, folk art fate.
1:43:07
Speaker 2: Pinker of all time, folk art fate. Imagine if that's
1:43:10
what it is. Like there's something compelling you to tell
1:43:14
the world about chicken folk art.
1:43:16
Speaker 1: I guess so.
1:43:16
Speaker 2: Here we go. Do you have chickens?
1:43:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do have chickens.
1:43:19
Speaker 2: I have chickens.
1:43:19
Speaker 1: I love chickens.
1:43:20
Speaker 2: Chickens are great, right?
1:43:21
Speaker 1: They're awesome.
1:43:22
Speaker 2: They're really cute. They're the ladies. I go in the
1:43:25
yard like, hi, ladies.
1:43:25
Speaker 3: That's what I call them.
1:43:26
Speaker 1: I say, hey, ladies. I give them all the scraps.
1:43:28
They love everything from the table, like any leftovers. It's
1:43:32
funny to watch them, though, because they're like picky. Like
1:43:35
the other day, I thought they would eat like leftover
1:43:37
breakfast casserole. Wouldn't touch it.
1:43:39
Speaker 2: Really?
1:43:39
Speaker 1: But they were all, they didn't eat the biscuits. Chickens
1:43:42
don't like biscuits.
1:43:43
Speaker 2: Well, maybe they know that breakfast casserole is eggs. And
1:43:45
they're like, Jesus Christ, this lady's fucking nuts. She's trying
1:43:49
to turn us into cannibals. Ridiculous.
1:43:53
Speaker 1: But I didn't think about that.
1:43:55
Speaker 2: Maybe it's like.
1:43:56
Speaker 1: Oh no, what have I done to my ladies?
1:43:58
Speaker 2: It might be like a natural reaction to them. I'll
1:44:01
tell you what they go crazy for is mice. Have
1:44:05
you ever seen? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So this is how
1:44:09
I found out. I used to have a house in
1:44:11
California that my wife, she changed our back fence. It
1:44:16
was a wrought iron fence. And she changed it to glass.
1:44:19
And when she did, she signed a death warrant for
1:44:22
a bunch of hawks. And they kept slamming into that
1:44:26
fucking glass. And like three of them died in our yard.
1:44:29
And one of them got KO'd but survived. And I
1:44:33
was on the road. And she had told me about it,
1:44:36
and they had taken this hawk, and they had put
1:44:39
it in a box. And when I got back, we
1:44:43
got them what's called pinkies. And what pinkies are are
1:44:46
these little baby mice that they feed them to lizards
1:44:52
and snakes. Like that's what they're for. Like when you
1:44:54
go to the pet store, they sell you these things.
1:44:57
They're not weaned from their mother, and you feed them
1:44:59
to snakes. I know. It's dark. So they bought a
1:45:02
bunch of them and fed this hawk. these little baby mice,
1:45:06
and it ate all of them except one. And my
1:45:08
daughters were very young at the time. And they're like,
1:45:11
we want to keep that mouse. We want to raise it.
1:45:13
I'm like, honey, you can't. It's not going to live. Like,
1:45:15
it's not weaned from its mother. It won't survive. I go,
1:45:20
I'm just going to go see if the chickens will
1:45:21
eat it. I put this thing down, and these chickens
1:45:27
attacked like they were raptors from Jurassic Park. One chicken
1:45:31
grabbed it, and they all chased her around. They were
1:45:34
stealing it from her.
1:45:34
Speaker 1: What in the world are you saying?
1:45:36
Speaker 2: Pulling it out of her mouth. They are so ferocious.
1:45:40
You've never seen anything like a chicken with a mouse.
1:45:42
Speaker 1: I've never heard this in my life.
1:45:43
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you a video. Oh, do I
1:45:45
want to see it? There's a bunch of videos of
1:45:47
cats with mice. So this is a mouse. And look
1:45:52
at these chickens. My gosh. They just kill this mouse.
1:45:55
And look, they all attack each other, trying to steal
1:45:57
the mouse away from the one chicken who has it.
1:45:58
Do they eat it? Oh, they eat it quick. Yeah,
1:46:00
they devour it. So there's another mouse in there that
1:46:04
they don't know about yet. So see, there's one with
1:46:07
a cat. So the cat is playing with the mouse. Like,
1:46:10
you know, cats don't kill it. They want to play.
1:46:13
And this chicken just runs over and snatches it from
1:46:16
the cat.
1:46:16
Speaker 1: Like, fuck you. I have never heard this in my life.
1:46:18
Speaker 2: So look, the cat has a mouse, and the chicken's like,
1:46:19
give me that, bitch. Look, it's got a mouse. And
1:46:23
the cat's like, Jesus Christ, you guys are psychos.
1:46:26
Speaker 1: Well, who knew?
1:46:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, because they're dinosaurs. That's who they are. They're
1:46:31
just dinosaurs that are really small that survive the impact
1:46:34
of the asteroid.
1:46:35
Speaker 1: I also love dinosaurs, so maybe that's why chickens, I'm
1:46:37
called to paint my full chicken.
1:46:39
Speaker 2: You just don't realize how ruthless they are.
1:46:41
Speaker 1: I've never heard this in my life. This is blowing
1:46:43
my mind. I'm country as a pumpkin, and I've never
1:46:45
heard this.
1:46:46
Speaker 2: They destroy mice. Dang. Destroy them. They love them. They
1:46:50
tear them apart.
1:46:51
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not going to go do that, but I'm
1:46:53
glad I know that now.
1:46:54
Speaker 2: Like nothing I've ever seen before. We also saw a
1:46:56
mouse that got loose in the chicken coop once. We
1:46:59
had a big chicken coop and a mouse went in
1:47:01
there and I saw these chickens just tear that mouse up.
1:47:03
Speaker 1: Well, then my breakfast casserole is not offensive to them.
1:47:07
Speaker 2: They're just eating their own babies.
1:47:10
Speaker 3: They're not.
1:47:10
Speaker 1: We don't have a rooster.
1:47:12
Speaker 2: Well, I know. But they don't know that.
1:47:14
Speaker 1: You're right.
1:47:14
Speaker 2: You know they brood sometimes. I know.
1:47:16
Speaker 1: I just let them sometimes.
1:47:17
Speaker 2: Do you?
1:47:18
Speaker 1: Well, I just like, sometimes they look at me like,
1:47:20
let me just sit on this. Like, okay, you can
1:47:22
have it. That's your egg now.
1:47:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they pluck their feathers out. I know. It's
1:47:26
a lot. They get real, it makes you sad. It's
1:47:29
like they want to be a mommy.
1:47:30
Speaker 1: They do.
1:47:31
Speaker 2: Yeah. You don't let them. We had a rooster once,
1:47:33
but he did not last.
1:47:34
Speaker 1: I do not enjoy having roosters.
1:47:36
Speaker 2: They're ruthless little fuckers. Yeah, he attacked my wife and
1:47:39
she's like, we're done.
1:47:40
Speaker 1: Mine attacked me. I'm out. I'm a rooster.
1:47:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're assholes. But they're doing it because they're trying
1:47:47
to protect their hens. Like, they don't know that you're okay.
1:47:51
They just think this big fucking thing is moving around
1:47:54
their hens. Like, this giant person thing.
1:47:56
Speaker 1: They're also mean to the hens. Real mean.
1:47:58
Speaker 2: They are. Brutal.
1:47:59
Speaker 1: Ripping their feathers out. I'm like, I can't do it.
1:48:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're nasty.
1:48:02
Speaker 1: How many do y'all.
1:48:02
Speaker 2: Have, chickens? We have 15, 15 or 16.
1:48:07
Speaker 1: Do y'all name them?
1:48:08
Speaker 2: Yes. I don't name them. But my daughter and my
1:48:11
wife names them. Um, but the rooster, he, we only
1:48:16
let him got, he got to maturity and then we
1:48:18
gave him to a friend or like, this motherfucker can't,
1:48:21
I was going to kill him.
1:48:22
Speaker 1: You're mean.
1:48:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, he attacked me. I went into the, I was like,
1:48:25
you just got to show him who's boss. He's like, no, no,
1:48:29
I'll attack you too, bitch.
1:48:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
1:48:30
Speaker 2: He attacked me, and I was like, bitch, I will
1:48:32
fucking kill you. And so to avoid killing him, I
1:48:35
gave him away. Because I was totally ready to kill him.
1:48:38
Because when I'd go in there, he'd face off against
1:48:40
me and just leap at me and claw at me.
1:48:42
Speaker 1: My mom attacked me, too, and Dad dealt with it.
1:48:45
I don't know what happened to him, but Dad dealt
1:48:47
with it.
1:48:47
Speaker 2: Soup. Turned him into soup. That's the thing about roosters, too.
1:48:51
I guess you can't just outright eat them. They're really tough.
1:48:55
So if you do kill them, you've got to either
1:48:58
slow cook them or turn them into soup.
1:49:00
Speaker 1: Well, we probably did.
1:49:03
Speaker 3: He didn't tell me.
1:49:04
Speaker 2: I had a landscaper back when I lived in L.A.
1:49:06
who used to fight chickens. And he took me over
1:49:08
his place once. I hate that. It was crazy.
1:49:11
Speaker 1: I hate it.
1:49:12
Speaker 2: He had like 100 roosters.
1:49:14
Speaker 1: We have done some.
1:49:15
Speaker 2: Boxers.
1:49:16
Speaker 1: Mutt Nation has done. We're not just. We don't just
1:49:17
help dogs. We help all animals. But dogs are our focus.
1:49:20
But like we've helped break up some chicken rings in
1:49:23
the past.
1:49:24
Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy that it's still around.
1:49:26
Speaker 1: It's awful. There's some. It's always out. Like we have
1:49:28
a farm in Tennessee and there's a whole. This is
1:49:32
whole farms. like down the road and it's, they keep
1:49:35
them in tiny cages. I just hate it. And every
1:49:37
time we report them, every time, they just pay the fine.
1:49:40
You know what I mean?
1:49:42
Speaker 2: Well, it's a part of the culture. That's the problem.
1:49:43
And they all gamble on it.
1:49:45
Speaker 1: I know.
1:49:45
Speaker 2: He was Mexican and, you know, from Mexico. And he
1:49:49
had all these friends that lived in this neighborhood where
1:49:52
he lived in. Like, you might as well have been
1:49:54
in Mexico. It was crazy. Everything was in Spanish. And
1:49:57
when I went over his place, it's like his buddy-
1:49:59
We went over to his buddy's place. His buddy had
1:50:01
like a hundred cages in the backyard in a pit
1:50:05
where they would take the roosters. Yeah. And they put
1:50:07
spurs on them.
1:50:08
Speaker 1: It's so terrible.
1:50:09
Speaker 2: Knives on their claws.
1:50:11
Speaker 1: We try to like, we got to be part of
1:50:14
like some of the, but when you confiscate like that
1:50:17
many mean, I mean, you can't reintroduce them into the world.
1:50:23
Speaker 2: Right.
1:50:23
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? They're taught to be mean.
1:50:26
They're bred for that.
1:50:27
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Yeah, and they'll breed champion roosters from champion other roosters.
1:50:34
Speaker 1: Let's just stick to our little backyard hens. How about that?
1:50:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a weird thing because their culture has been
1:50:41
they fight them and then they take the loser and
1:50:44
they cook them. Yeah. And he was making it seem
1:50:46
like it was no big deal. And it was like
1:50:48
to them it was their gambling recreation. Yeah. They would
1:50:50
all gather around and guys would come from long distances
1:50:53
to bring their chickens to fight. I hate it. Yeah.
1:50:57
To me... It doesn't freak me out as much as
1:51:00
dog fighting. Dog fighting drives me nuts. Because pit bulls
1:51:03
are the, look, they're very dangerous because they have a
1:51:07
very high prey drive and they often don't, they confuse
1:51:11
children with other animals. But as pets, they are the
1:51:18
most loyal.
1:51:18
Speaker 1: They're the most loving.
1:51:19
Speaker 2: They're the sweetest.
1:51:21
Speaker 1: Kind.
1:51:22
Speaker 2: They love you to death. They love you so much.
1:51:24
But there's so many bad ones. And so many ones
1:51:27
that are raised just to fight. And that part of
1:51:31
our culture, that part of society, like the underground dog
1:51:35
fighting part is like, how can you do that to
1:51:38
a dog? Like, how can you do that to the
1:51:40
best animals?
1:51:41
Speaker 1: It's scum of the earth is what it is. I
1:51:44
feel like I have some friends that are huge into
1:51:47
pit bull rescue. And when they're either rehabilitated or just
1:51:52
they get a bad rap period.
1:51:53
Speaker 2: Right.
1:51:53
Speaker 1: Like, like, say. Any metro shelter you go to, it's
1:51:57
90% pit bulls because people are afraid. But they get
1:52:01
such a bad reputation. But there are some amazing pitties
1:52:06
that weren't ever in the fighting rings. They were just
1:52:08
overbred and, you know, taken out of a confiscation of
1:52:12
a hoarding situation or breaking up the fighting rings. And
1:52:14
it's the mama dog that's just been having puppies. And, like,
1:52:18
I just wish people would at least open their minds
1:52:21
and hearts to, like, There are some amazing pitties out
1:52:24
there or pity mixes, you know.
1:52:25
Speaker 2: There are, but they're also very dangerous.
1:52:27
Speaker 3: I get it.
1:52:28
Speaker 2: I know. They are. They go around other dogs. They
1:52:29
will fight those dogs to the death.
1:52:31
Speaker 1: I think you're.
1:52:31
Speaker 2: That's the problem.
1:52:32
Speaker 1: They have to be vetted. It has to be a
1:52:34
well-vetted shelter or adoption.
1:52:36
Speaker 2: You know. But the problem is oftentimes you don't know
1:52:38
their behavior until they're around other dogs. Yeah. Like I've
1:52:41
had dogs that were great around people. Yeah. And I'd
1:52:44
get them around any dog and their hackles would go up.
1:52:46
And they immediately wanted to fight. Yeah. And you're like, oh, God.
1:52:49
And then you're the asshole because your dog is like.
1:52:51
pulling on the leash and you're like, I'm sorry. Let
1:52:53
me get them out of here. Right. I know. They're dangerous.
1:52:56
They're dangerous in that regard because they really are bred
1:52:58
to fight.
1:52:59
Speaker 1: And I think it takes a special household and owner
1:53:03
too to really kind of handle a dog like that.
1:53:05
Speaker 2: 100%.
1:53:06
Speaker 1: Our best friends, Gwen, she's in my band and her
1:53:09
and her husband are longtime Pitbull rescue family and they
1:53:13
just know how to like deal with them and they
1:53:16
come around our dogs. They're fine. Everything's fine. But it's
1:53:19
definitely an alpha male like They kind of show them
1:53:22
who's boss right away and, and they sort of understand
1:53:26
the food chain of the house. You know what I mean?
1:53:28
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's dogs that are great dogs, but they just
1:53:30
need a lot of attention. Like if you have a
1:53:33
German shepherd or a Belgian Malinois, you got to give
1:53:36
those things something to do.
1:53:37
Speaker 1: You got to know what kind of breed you're getting to. Like,
1:53:40
I feel like people, I always preach adopt, don't shop,
1:53:43
but I still think you within the adoption, like really
1:53:46
need to go, I'm gonna spend some time with this dog.
1:53:48
I'm going to, Talk to its foster family. I'm going
1:53:51
to foster it. Just to really understand what kind of
1:53:54
breed you're getting. If you want, like, a lazy, cuddly thing,
1:53:58
but still protect your kid, Pyrenees. You know what I mean?
1:54:00
Speaker 2: Right. Pyrenees are great.
1:54:01
Speaker 1: Just know what you're getting. Like, just understand, like, is
1:54:04
my household ready? Because there's a lot of the, what
1:54:07
breaks my heart the most is the, like, owner surrenders
1:54:09
and the returns at the shelters. You know what I mean?
1:54:12
It's like you didn't think through what you were.
1:54:14
Speaker 2: Right. And then the dog already thought it had a home,
1:54:17
and now you bring him in.
1:54:18
Speaker 1: Right, because you wanted a lazy dog, and you got
1:54:20
a cow dog, and it needs to run.
1:54:23
Speaker 2: Great Pyrenees are great because they're kind of a combination of, like,
1:54:25
a lab and a protecting dog. They're a great little balance.
1:54:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:54:29
Speaker 2: Like, I have a friend who has a Pyrenees, and it's, like,
1:54:32
such a good dog. And he's like, listen, man, if
1:54:34
coyotes come around here, this fucking dog fucks them up. Yep.
1:54:38
I go, really? And he goes, like, oh, yeah. Like,
1:54:41
you ain't never seen a change of personality before. Like
1:54:45
this dog, when it sees a coyote.
1:54:46
Speaker 1: But then they're like laid up on the couch with
1:54:48
their legs in the air.
1:54:48
Speaker 2: Oh, the sweetest. Just rub my belly.
1:54:50
Speaker 3: It's the best.
1:54:51
Speaker 2: Like I have a golden who's, he's the best unless
1:54:55
you're a squirrel. And then he's hell. Then he's a demon.
1:54:59
He's a squirrel killer. But other than that, he's the
1:55:02
sweetest boy. He's just so nice to everybody. Everybody who
1:55:05
comes over the house like, you're my best friend.
1:55:07
Speaker 1: Goldens are the best.
1:55:08
Speaker 2: They're so sweet.
1:55:09
Speaker 1: But I love them all. I love them all. We
1:55:10
have a chihuahua. I mean, I mean, you. you're getting
1:55:14
a Chihuahua, you know what you're getting.
1:55:18
Speaker 3: Mean as hell.
1:55:19
Speaker 2: And nervous.
1:55:20
Speaker 3: Oh my God.
1:55:21
Speaker 1: So mean. She's 16 and blind and she still tries
1:55:23
to bite. She don't know where you are.
1:55:25
Speaker 3: But she's like, but I could get you.
1:55:28
Speaker 2: 16 is old.
1:55:28
Speaker 3: And blind is a bat.
1:55:30
Speaker 2: Oh my God.
1:55:31
Speaker 1: Senior dog house over here.
1:55:32
Speaker 2: Have you had her since she was a baby? Yep. Wow.
1:55:34
Speaker 1: Doctored her from a shelter when she was like eight
1:55:36
weeks old. We got two seniors now, but I've lost,
1:55:40
I was crazy dog lady when, um, My husband met
1:55:43
me and I had eight rescues. Like it seems crazy now,
1:55:46
but I have farm and land and three were Pyrenees,
1:55:51
two golden mixes and then three little, I don't know what.
1:55:55
And I've lost one every year for six years. And
1:55:57
so after this, We have two seniors left. And my
1:55:59
husband's like, my heart can't take this. Like, he never
1:56:01
had dogs growing up. He loves dogs. But he was like,
1:56:04
this is awful. Like, ever since we met, we've lost
1:56:07
one because they're stair-step in age. And so I'm like,
1:56:11
my heart needs a break.
1:56:13
Speaker 2: It's hard.
1:56:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:56:14
Speaker 2: It's hard when they die. It's like, it's so hard.
1:56:18
You're so close to them. And they only live, like,
1:56:20
to be 15 or 13. And then it's over.
1:56:23
Speaker 1: They're, like, put here to show us true love.
1:56:25
Speaker 2: I know.
1:56:26
Speaker 3: They really are.
1:56:27
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, they're not. Meanwhile, what they are is like we
1:56:29
took wolves and turned them into bitches. That's what really,
1:56:33
really would happen. Like I have a King Charles Spaniel.
1:56:37
You know, he's the sweetest.
1:56:39
Speaker 3: Is that Charlie?
1:56:40
Speaker 1: That's Charlie.
1:56:42
Speaker 2: He is the sweetest. He's so cute. You pick him up.
1:56:44
He just kisses your face. He's just so adorable. That
1:56:48
was a wolf. At one time, someone took a wolf
1:56:52
and turned that wolf into a bitch and like, you
1:56:54
know what? Enough of a bitch. Let me turn you
1:56:57
into more of a bitch. And more floppy ears.
1:56:59
Speaker 1: And now we have Bernadoodles.
1:57:00
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's so weird what humans have done to dogs.
1:57:06
I know. That we've created all these, like, totally helpless
1:57:11
little tiny breeds. I know. It's weird. Shih Tzus and
1:57:14
all these little tiny things. Pekingese. Yeah, these little Pekingese.
1:57:17
Speaker 1: But they're all amazing, and there's plenty at the shelter
1:57:20
that y'all should go check out.
1:57:21
Speaker 2: Look, they're amazing. I love them. But it is a
1:57:23
weird thing that we've done. I know. Because they all
1:57:26
used to be wolves at one point in time. Yeah.
1:57:29
That's got to be the weirdest transformation of an animal
1:57:33
by human interaction is wolf to dog.
1:57:37
Speaker 1: I just wonder who the first one to do it.
1:57:39
Do we know?
1:57:40
Speaker 2: They think it was just like cavemen by the fire,
1:57:43
and wolves would come around, and they had killed something,
1:57:45
and they'd throw them a bone. Throw them a bone.
1:57:47
And the relationship became the wolves would let them know
1:57:50
if intruders were coming. Right. And then eventually they softened
1:57:54
to the point where they could like sleep with these people.
1:57:57
So they were like household animals or at least stay
1:58:00
around the house. And they trusted them to protect their children.
1:58:04
And then, you know, then they developed different breeds that
1:58:07
were better at like herding sheep. Yeah. Because you got.
1:58:10
think like most wolves killed sheep yeah so all of
1:58:12
a sudden you could teach a dog to like make
1:58:15
sure the sheep don't get killed by wolves which is
1:58:17
nuts it's.
1:58:18
Speaker 1: Not and it's incredible to watch yeah and watching dogs
1:58:21
like bird dogs yeah it's one of my favorite and
1:58:24
also like the canine units they blow my mind like
1:58:27
The things these dogs can do and the stamina they have.
1:58:30
Speaker 2: I think the biggest freak dog that's ever been created
1:58:33
is the Belgian Malinois. Oh, yeah. That is a fucking
1:58:36
crazy dog. It is. When you see them run up
1:58:38
walls and fly through the air.
1:58:40
Speaker 1: But, like, that's one of the dogs you're like, you
1:58:41
need to know what you're getting.
1:58:42
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
1:58:43
Speaker 1: You need, like, a dude that can run with his dog.
1:58:46
Speaker 2: All day. And you can't leave him alone. And you can't, like, hey, man,
1:58:49
can you watch my dog? I'm going to be gone
1:58:50
for a week. Like, nuh-uh. Nuh-uh. Hard pass. That dog's
1:58:55
coming with you, bitch. Exactly.
1:58:58
Speaker 3: That dog's watching you.
1:59:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, that dog needs activity.
1:59:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:59:02
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the video of the difference between
1:59:04
the way a German shepherd approaches an assailant versus a
1:59:07
Belgian Malinois? No. So they do these drills where they
1:59:10
have a bunch of chairs in a room. Yeah. And
1:59:13
the German shepherd runs around the chairs to try to
1:59:16
get to the guy who's got the bite suit on.
1:59:17
The Belgian Malinois goes over all the chairs, just like
1:59:21
flies through the air, barely touching the chairs. Watch this.
1:59:24
So here's the shepherd. See how the shepherd runs around?
1:59:27
And he's like, I'm going to get you. I'm going
1:59:29
to get you. And he finds you and he bites you.
1:59:30
Watch the Belgian Malinois. As soon as they let him go,
1:59:33
he's like, fuck these chairs. Right over them.
1:59:35
Speaker 1: That's incredible.
1:59:36
Speaker 2: They're just meat missiles. They're meat missiles. They're designed to
1:59:41
go fuck things up. That's their task all day long.
1:59:44
And they're crazy smart. They're really smart.
1:59:47
Speaker 1: It's intimidating.
1:59:48
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. They look at you like a raptor in
1:59:50
Jurassic Park. They're like checking you out. Yeah. What are
1:59:52
we doing? Am I killing you? Or are you just
1:59:55
one of my dad's friends?
1:59:55
Speaker 1: That's a perfect analogy.
1:59:57
Speaker 2: They're like looking right at you like this.
1:59:58
Speaker 1: And you're like, can I pet it? Or is he
2:00:02
at work right now?
2:00:02
Speaker 2: He's working. Yeah. Yeah. I don't ever pet Malinois unless
2:00:06
I know for sure. Yeah.
2:00:08
Speaker 1: Same.
2:00:08
Speaker 2: They're just, it's a working dog. It's a different thing. Same.
2:00:12
You know? I mean, but it's also kind of crazy
2:00:14
that they figured out a way to make a dog
2:00:16
into that. Like, how do you make a dog into
2:00:20
my dog, which is, like, just a cuddle bug? He's
2:00:23
just a cuddle bug. He just wants to lie down
2:00:25
with you. Like, today we're watching TV. He just cuddles up. He's, like,
2:00:28
got his head in my lap, and I'm petting him,
2:00:30
and we're watching TV.
2:00:31
Speaker 1: He's, like, so happy.
2:00:32
Speaker 2: He used to be a wolf.
2:00:34
Speaker 1: The only one I think about in my house that
2:00:36
used to be a wolf is my chihuahua because she's
2:00:37
the meanest.
2:00:39
Speaker 2: How ironic. That is a wolf. That's so funny. But
2:00:42
it's just so crazy that they figured out a way
2:00:43
to make a wolf into a thing that protects animals
2:00:46
from wolves. Yeah. Nuts.
2:00:48
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it like that.
2:00:49
Speaker 2: I mean, some of them. Have you ever seen that?
2:00:51
What is that shepherd dog, that crazy giant one from Russia?
2:00:58
What is it called? Not from Russia. It's like a
2:01:01
mountain shepherd. It looks like a werewolf. And it's got
2:01:05
really crazy thick hair because of the climate that it
2:01:08
lives in. But it's like 200 pounds. Like this enormous thing.
2:01:12
What is it? That protects. Caucasian shepherd. That's it. Caucasian shepherd.
2:01:16
It literally looks like a werewolf. Like that werewolf that
2:01:18
we have out front. American werewolf in London. That's scary.
2:01:20
That's what it looks like. And they just protect. Look
2:01:22
at that.
2:01:23
Speaker 1: Oh, I've seen those. I just didn't know what they
2:01:25
were called.
2:01:25
Speaker 2: Crazy. See if you can find one that's doing bite work.
2:01:28
Speaker 1: But look, that one looks sweet.
2:01:30
Speaker 2: Yeah. Unless you break into the house. I mean, that
2:01:35
thing's crazy. Google Caucasian shepherd trainings. Yeah, or bite. Right there.
2:01:42
Speaker 1: Oh, God, that does look like the thing in the front.
2:01:44
Speaker 2: That's fake, but look at the side. That's one, like,
2:01:46
pretending to... See, there's one that's doing bite work, though,
2:01:49
in that other image. That's the word for them. It's
2:01:55
like a word of charka. Like, that is a big-ass dog.
2:02:02
And that's another dog that they use to protect against wolves.
2:02:08
Look at the size of that sucker.
2:02:10
Speaker 1: I mean, it's... Huge.
2:02:13
Speaker 2: So what are they doing here?
2:02:14
Speaker 1: Where are they? They're Russian?
2:02:16
Speaker 2: That looks like they're transporting it. Training YouTube channel. Oh, okay.
2:02:20
They're training it.
2:02:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:02:23
Speaker 2: With a big bag of shitty dog food. That dog
2:02:27
food that people buy.
2:02:28
Speaker 1: I know.
2:02:28
Speaker 2: That stuff's so terrible.
2:02:30
Speaker 1: You do farmer's dog.
2:02:31
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
2:02:31
Speaker 1: Me too.
2:02:32
Speaker 2: Yeah. We started off with another company called Maeve, which
2:02:36
is great. It's Frozen. Frozen. But just the way he
2:02:39
eats farmer's dog, the way they eat it, it must
2:02:41
taste way better. And it's the same kind of thing.
2:02:44
It's real food. It's frozen. Get it frozen. Thaw it
2:02:47
out and feed it to him. When he's ready to eat,
2:02:51
he devours it. Devours it.
2:02:54
Speaker 1: I had to start that with my senior dogs because
2:02:57
they just had all kinds of things, you know, and
2:02:59
everybody had ailments and needed pills and everything else. And
2:03:02
I was just like, all right, we're just going to
2:03:03
do the expensive dog food. But I'd I had three
2:03:07
Pyrenees rescues, two golden mixes, and like three littler dogs.
2:03:11
I'm like, this is like $ 700 a batch for.
2:03:14
Speaker 3: All y'all to eat.
2:03:16
Speaker 1: So I started making it for a while, too. Like
2:03:17
I would just make like ground turkey and vegetables.
2:03:20
Speaker 2: Oh, that's great.
2:03:21
Speaker 1: But I just couldn't keep up with it. So, I mean,
2:03:22
farmer's dog is what we used to.
2:03:24
Speaker 2: Well, it's definitely way better than regular dog food because
2:03:27
anything that can sit on a shelf can't be good
2:03:30
for you. It just can't. It's filled with preservatives, and
2:03:32
that's not good for dogs.
2:03:33
Speaker 1: It's like us living on Cheetos, I feel like.
2:03:35
Speaker 2: Exactly.
2:03:35
Speaker 1: But sometimes I want to eat them sometimes.
2:03:38
Speaker 2: I love them. Yeah. Like if you were stuck in
2:03:42
a cabin for a week and you couldn't get out
2:03:44
and there's an unlimited supply of Cheetos in the cabin,
2:03:47
you're going to live. Right. But you're not going to
2:03:49
feel real good. No, I'm not.
2:03:51
Speaker 1: People are always like, what's on your rider? I'm like,
2:03:53
Cheetos and Tito's is kind of all I need.
2:03:54
Speaker 2: Is that it? That's your rider? Cheetos and Tito's? That's hilarious.
2:03:59
That's hilarious. Some people have wacky riders.
2:04:02
Speaker 1: What's on your rider?
2:04:03
Speaker 2: Not much.
2:04:04
Speaker 1: I have like a cheese tray maybe.
2:04:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a meat tray. A meat tray. When
2:04:11
I was drinking, we would definitely have like some whiskey
2:04:15
on there. And... Maybe like a bottle of wine. But
2:04:20
I really don't drink anymore. Not that I– yeah. This
2:04:24
is like– I wasn't an alcoholic. So it's not like
2:04:27
I can't drink. Like I had a glass of wine
2:04:28
with dinner the other night. But it's not– I don't
2:04:31
drink anymore. Like I don't– like I would go to
2:04:34
my comedy club with my friends or we'd go on
2:04:36
the road. I'd have a couple of glasses of this
2:04:39
and a couple of glasses of that and a margarita
2:04:41
at dinner. And then the next day I'd feel like shit.
2:04:43
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
2:04:45
Speaker 2: And it wasn't ever like I couldn't stop. It was just,
2:04:47
I did. And then one day I was like, I
2:04:50
think I'm just going to stop for a while and
2:04:51
see how I feel. And I felt so much better,
2:04:55
so much better because I was drinking like two or
2:04:57
three nights a week, sometimes four, go out to date
2:05:00
on a date with my wife. I have a couple
2:05:02
of drinks. I go to the comedy club, have a
2:05:04
couple of drinks. Maybe I have a drink or two
2:05:06
with someone in the studio. Yeah.
2:05:08
Speaker 1: It just, I mean, I feel like that's showbiz. I mean,
2:05:11
it's just part of it. Like it's part of our
2:05:13
culture and like, We have to bring the party, too.
2:05:17
That's the other thing. It's like, how am I supposed
2:05:19
to bring the party if I'm not partying with you?
2:05:22
Speaker 2: Right.
2:05:22
Speaker 1: You know?
2:05:23
Speaker 2: That's a problem. Yeah. Yeah, that's a problem.
2:05:26
Speaker 1: Especially in, like, the honky-tonk days. Like, I came up in, like,
2:05:29
beer joints. I'm talking about, like, dive bars. You know
2:05:32
what I mean? And you just start getting in it
2:05:34
with people. And then you're on your day off. You're like, oh,
2:05:37
we're going to have a nice date and have a drink.
2:05:39
You know what I mean? It's kind of spirals.
2:05:41
Speaker 2: I know.
2:05:42
Speaker 1: But I love it.
2:05:43
Speaker 2: I love it, too.
2:05:44
Speaker 1: I love red wine. Like, it's my favorite thing.
2:05:46
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't hate drinking. I just hate how I
2:05:50
feel the next day. But, like, I'm not, you know,
2:05:53
I'd say I'll never do it again. But for now,
2:05:56
I'm not doing it anymore. But I'll still have a
2:05:58
drink or two. Not even two. Not even two. A drink. Like,
2:06:02
I didn't even have a full glass of wine the
2:06:04
other night. I had, like, a half a glass of wine.
2:06:06
I'm like, we're good. But, like, if somebody has a
2:06:08
bottle of Buffalo Trace and we're sitting around talking shit,
2:06:10
I want to have a couple of drinks. I might.
2:06:13
Speaker 1: You're just giving yourself permission to be wherever you are.
2:06:16
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to be healthier. Yeah. That's what it is.
2:06:17
And I recognize that like if I do all these
2:06:19
healthy things for my body, I work out all the time,
2:06:21
I eat so well, I take all these vitamins. Like
2:06:23
why am I letting myself get poisoned four nights a week?
2:06:27
That seems stupid. Especially with my lifestyle. It's like it's
2:06:30
better like even if I just limit it to one
2:06:33
night a week, it's better. But really it's better just not.
2:06:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:06:37
Speaker 2: The reality is it's not good for you. Well, I know.
2:06:39
Speaker 1: But it's fun.
2:06:40
Speaker 2: It is fun. It is fun. Again, catching a buzz
2:06:44
is fun. Some of my favorite podcasts we've ever done,
2:06:46
like when we do Protect Our Parks, we get hammered. Yeah.
2:06:48
They're fun.
2:06:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet.
2:06:51
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, people aren't doing it because they're stupid. Right.
2:06:54
There's a reason why they enjoy being drunk. Yeah. And
2:06:57
have for thousands.
2:06:58
Speaker 3: Thousands of years.
2:06:59
Speaker 2: Thousands of years. I mean, it's probably responsible for so
2:07:03
many relationships starting in the first place, so many people
2:07:05
meeting people, so many fun friendships.
2:07:08
Speaker 1: A lot of the memories, too. It's like on the road,
2:07:10
after the show, it's like, Yeah. When everybody's just really
2:07:14
being themselves.
2:07:15
Speaker 2: It's also a culturally acceptable drug that most people know
2:07:19
how to consume. I mean, they might do it wrong
2:07:21
or they might get too drunk or DUI or be
2:07:24
an asshole. It's possible. But it's enough of a normal
2:07:28
thing that a good percentage of people know when they've
2:07:32
had enough.
2:07:32
Speaker 1: Right.
2:07:32
Speaker 2: And they know the right dose. You know, you have
2:07:35
a couple of drinks like I'm good. Yeah. You know,
2:07:38
you know where you're at. Whereas any other drug. that
2:07:42
you're trying today is illegal.
2:07:44
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:07:44
Speaker 2: And any other drug, it's like, who knows what's going
2:07:46
to happen.
2:07:47
Speaker 1: Right.
2:07:48
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you want to go next door, like
2:07:51
really next door, next door.
2:07:53
Speaker 1: I'm going down the street.
2:07:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. You can go down the street with whiskey.
2:07:56
Speaker 1: With a margarita.
2:07:57
Speaker 2: Whiskey go to another town.
2:07:58
Speaker 1: It's martinis like everybody knows like do not drink more
2:08:02
than two martinis are you an insane person like you
2:08:05
can't everybody knows that everyone should know it like i
2:08:09
feel like that's what really you know.
2:08:10
Speaker 2: Burke kreischer that motherfucker could put some martinis.
2:08:13
Speaker 1: Down really like yeah i'm like Two's good. Like, that's
2:08:18
straight up.
2:08:18
Speaker 2: Well, you're smart.
2:08:19
Speaker 1: Just straight up. I mean, and then have your glass
2:08:21
of wine, whatever you want. It has to. When you see, like,
2:08:24
you know, somebody sit at a bar by themselves at, like,
2:08:26
3 o'clock, and then you're like, dang, that's their third martini.
2:08:31
They're about to hit the deck. And they're fine. I'm like,
2:08:33
something's going to happen later. Something's going to happen later.
2:08:36
Speaker 2: They probably do it all the time. That's the thing.
2:08:37
Speaker 1: Here's your sign. Yeah.
2:08:39
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's supposedly better for you, right? Isn't it? Like,
2:08:42
do you drink... Tito's, like a vodka martini is probably,
2:08:46
is a gin martini the same?
2:08:48
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm a Tito's and Topo gal. Tito's
2:08:51
and Topo.
2:08:52
Speaker 2: They say that clear liquor is better for you, right?
2:08:55
Don't they say that?
2:08:56
Speaker 1: I don't know. We've made excuses for every single thing
2:08:58
we want to do today.
2:09:00
Speaker 2: They say tequila is the best for you. This nicotine is.
2:09:03
Speaker 1: Great for us.
2:09:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good for the brain.
2:09:04
Speaker 3: This Tito's is clear.
2:09:05
Speaker 1: It's awesome.
2:09:06
Speaker 2: It's supposedly better for you, isn't it? Is there a
2:09:09
reason why clear liquor is like a real reason why
2:09:12
clear liquor? There's less additives in it. There you go.
2:09:15
Less additives. That's it? I'm pretty sure.
2:09:18
Speaker 1: Even tequila has got, you've got to find the good stuff.
2:09:21
Speaker 2: Right, but if you find the good, that's the other thing.
2:09:23
I was reading this thing about how much tequila is fake.
2:09:25
How much tequila is not really made with agave?
2:09:28
Speaker 1: That's a lot. That's a lot. That'll hurt your ass.
2:09:32
I mean, tequila will. It's not forgiving if you abuse it.
2:09:37
Speaker 2: It's a certain kind of drunk, too.
2:09:38
Speaker 1: Don't ask me how I know.
2:09:39
Speaker 2: Tequila is like a shootout with the cops drunk.
2:09:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like I shot my TV with my shotgun drunk.
2:09:46
Speaker 2: It's a high-speed chase drunk. Tequila is just like, ooh,
2:09:50
we were drunk on tequila.
2:09:51
Speaker 1: Yikes.
2:09:54
Speaker 2: Picture yourself doing something Definitely incorrect. Yeah. It's a funny
2:09:59
thing that, I guess it makes sense, though, that music
2:10:03
and comedy, in a lot of ways, is connected to drinking.
2:10:09
Because drinking lowers inhibitions, and it makes you want to
2:10:13
sing along, and it makes you want to dance. And
2:10:16
maybe you don't feel like you've got the confidence to dance,
2:10:18
but you get a couple shots. Fuck it, let's get
2:10:20
on the dance floor. Yeah, and it's this.
2:10:21
Speaker 1: It's like, raise your cup, raise your cup. You know,
2:10:23
it's just that.
2:10:23
Speaker 2: It's like the.
2:10:26
Speaker 1: It's like a feeling, and you're part of the party,
2:10:29
and you're part of the song, and you're part of
2:10:31
the show, or whatever. I think music and comedy are
2:10:36
the most, as far as show business, that people just
2:10:40
feel like that's something that they go there to do.
2:10:43
Speaker 2: Right. Well, there are two things that you have to
2:10:45
go see live. You don't have to. I mean, you
2:10:47
can just listen to music in your phone and all
2:10:49
that stuff, but the reality is it's way better if
2:10:51
you're there live. Yeah. Like, live... Going to see live
2:10:55
music to me is like so inspirational because I don't
2:10:58
have any skill at live music at all. I don't
2:11:01
have any musical talent. I can't play any instruments. So
2:11:03
it's just I don't ever think like, huh, I wonder
2:11:06
why they did it that way. I see where they're
2:11:07
going with that.
2:11:08
Speaker 1: You can just enjoy it.
2:11:09
Speaker 2: I could just be entertained.
2:11:11
Speaker 1: That's great.
2:11:11
Speaker 2: And I think music is a drug in and of
2:11:15
itself because it does something to you. A great song
2:11:19
does something very powerful to you. Like it'll make you
2:11:22
feel powerful emotions or powerful inspiration. It's like, it does
2:11:26
something that nothing else does in a weird, weird way.
2:11:30
Speaker 1: And it feels so good. Like when you have a
2:11:34
song that somebody comes up and says, that song changed
2:11:36
my life. That song, you know, I have one called
2:11:39
house that built me. That's like the one people come
2:11:41
up to me the most. And we're like, that's my story.
2:11:44
And it's, I didn't write it. I'm like, but that's
2:11:46
when I heard it. That's why I was like, this
2:11:48
is my story too. And those are the, And, like,
2:11:51
as a songwriter, when you write a song like that,
2:11:54
that's the ultimate, like, reminder. Like, this is why I
2:11:57
do that.
2:11:58
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:11:59
Speaker 1: It made somebody feel something. It made somebody get through something.
2:12:02
It made somebody want to punch somebody. Whatever the emotion is,
2:12:07
as long as it brings out emotion, we've done our job, right?
2:12:09
Speaker 2: Think of how many people you've done that to, how
2:12:11
nuts that is. Like, you've had so many hit songs.
2:12:13
So you've had so many songs that resonated with people.
2:12:16
where they all felt that feeling when that song came on. Like, oh,
2:12:19
this is my song. This is my song. Turn it up.
2:12:23
Speaker 1: I have like the feisty, a lot of the feisty.
2:12:27
I mean, I'm a little calmer now, but I used
2:12:30
to be quite the firecracker.
2:12:31
Speaker 3: Just pew, pew, pew, pew.
2:12:33
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a reason I have revolvers tattooed on
2:12:35
my arm and now I'm shooting them off horses.
2:12:37
Speaker 3: Like just a little like pistol.
2:12:39
Speaker 1: Personality, I guess. And so like my feisty songs, I mean,
2:12:42
at every single show, Pretty much every single show, there's
2:12:47
a girl fight in the pit.
2:12:49
Speaker 2: Really?
2:12:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just get riled up.
2:12:51
Speaker 2: Girl fights in your shows? They get riled up.
2:12:53
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, they just get, I mean.
2:12:55
Speaker 2: I wonder if you have more girl fights than other
2:12:58
female singers.
2:13:00
Speaker 1: I don't know.
2:13:00
Speaker 2: I bet you do. If every single show, you have
2:13:02
a girl.
2:13:02
Speaker 1: Almost every show.
2:13:03
Speaker 2: I bet that's real odd. Have you talked to other
2:13:06
female singers? Do they have similar stories?
2:13:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't asked. How many girls fight at your show, though?
2:13:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should ask. You should totally ask.
2:13:13
Speaker 1: Because it's like towards this part where it's like, I
2:13:15
call it my ramp up. It's like gunpowder and lead,
2:13:18
little red wagon, mama's broken heart. And like they just
2:13:21
start getting wound up.
2:13:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, they think about their ex. That motherfucker.
2:13:25
Speaker 1: Or he's there and they're fighting. It's just a lot.
2:13:27
Speaker 2: And he's there with another woman.
2:13:28
Speaker 1: I have a front row seat to it. I'll stop
2:13:30
if it gets real bad. I just stop and go, hey, y'all.
2:13:33
Tone her down a little bit.
2:13:35
Speaker 2: Really? Every show?
2:13:36
Speaker 1: Almost every show.
2:13:37
Speaker 2: That's really odd, Miranda. I know. I think that's odd.
2:13:41
I think that might be a very specific reaction that
2:13:44
you have. On people. Maybe.
2:13:46
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm pretty calm now. I'm like, it's
2:13:49
all right. We got some ballads coming up.
2:13:50
Speaker 3: Everybody take a sip. Take a seat.
2:13:54
Speaker 2: Y'all settle down. I think it's great. They're feeling something.
2:13:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:13:59
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:13:59
Speaker 1: Bringing out emotion. Yeah. That's my job.
2:14:01
Speaker 2: 100%. Yeah. I bet it's great at the gym. Those songs. Yeah.
2:14:05
I think about that bitch they punch at the concert. Right. Bitch.
2:14:08
They're on that elliptical machine.
2:14:11
Speaker 1: I have a lot of those like. Girl, you're my bitch.
2:14:13
Speaker 3: Like, those kind of girls that are.
2:14:14
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:14:15
Speaker 3: And I love it.
2:14:15
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, you
2:14:18
can't buy that. That's a weird feeling. It is.
2:14:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:14:22
Speaker 2: You have to earn that feeling.
2:14:23
Speaker 1: You'll have to come to a show that's, like, one
2:14:26
that I know for sure is going to be.
2:14:27
Speaker 2: One of those. I would love to. I would love to.
2:14:30
Speaker 3: And watch from the stage.
2:14:31
Speaker 2: I loved you at the McConaughey event. It was amazing.
2:14:34
Speaker 1: That's such a cool event, too.
2:14:35
Speaker 2: It's such a good event.
2:14:36
Speaker 1: And I love all those boys. And Jack and I,
2:14:39
I mean... Jack Ingram was one of my heroes from
2:14:41
back in the day. Like I started watching him when
2:14:43
I was 15 and he had such charisma. And that's
2:14:46
why I want to do that.
2:14:47
Speaker 2: You know, really?
2:14:48
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've known him for a long time.
2:14:50
Speaker 2: It's such a cool thing when you're going to an
2:14:53
event like that and it's for a great cause. So
2:14:56
everybody's like super positive about why they're there. It's not
2:14:59
just to have fun. It's also it does like such
2:15:02
an amazing service for people. It does.
2:15:05
Speaker 1: And they do such a good job with that show.
2:15:07
They do together so well.
2:15:09
Speaker 2: You know who blew me away at that show, too,
2:15:11
is Lucas.
2:15:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great.
2:15:13
Speaker 2: Whoa.
2:15:14
Speaker 1: I love him. He is great.
2:15:15
Speaker 2: People are like, oh, it's Willie Nelson's son. I'm like, oh, okay,
2:15:18
that'll be cool. And then he started singing. I was like,
2:15:20
holy shit. Like, this guy's fucking great.
2:15:25
Speaker 3: He's great.
2:15:26
Speaker 2: He's not just good. He's great.
2:15:28
Speaker 1: Great musician, and he's a great guy.
2:15:30
Speaker 2: Sweetheart.
2:15:31
Speaker 1: He's a sweetheart.
2:15:32
Speaker 2: Super sweetheart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've had the pleasure of
2:15:36
getting to know him now. He's a really nice guy.
2:15:38
I love him. A genuine nice guy. But God, can
2:15:41
he sing? He can.
2:15:42
Speaker 1: Especially when he does that soul stuff. When he really
2:15:44
leans into the soul, more soul stuff, it just makes
2:15:47
him shine. Yeah. Because it's just so different than what
2:15:50
people would think it was going to be.
2:15:51
Speaker 2: Right.
2:15:52
Speaker 1: You know?
2:15:52
Speaker 2: Right. And his pipes. Yeah. Woo! When the notes he hits,
2:15:57
I was like, And.
2:15:58
Speaker 1: When he goes for it, he like sings with his body,
2:16:01
like his whole body, like you know he's going for it.
2:16:03
Speaker 2: And I love it. Yeah.
2:16:04
Speaker 1: And he does this like, I don't know, it's going
2:16:06
to hurt later in life, but he does this like
2:16:07
backbend thing. He's on his knees and he's like bent
2:16:11
all the way back playing a guitar solo. And I'm like, girl,
2:16:13
how does he do that? Is that adrenaline or what
2:16:16
is that?
2:16:16
Speaker 2: Stretching. Yeah. It's just stretching. Yeah.
2:16:19
Speaker 1: I could probably do that like a decade ago.
2:16:21
Speaker 2: Not now. I bet you could.
2:16:23
Speaker 3: I'm not going to try.
2:16:24
Speaker 1: Well, not on stage.
2:16:25
Speaker 2: Well, you must have core strength to be on that horse.
2:16:28
When you're shooting at things.
2:16:29
Speaker 3: You're stabilizing yourself. You know what helps with that is Pilates.
2:16:31
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure.
2:16:32
Speaker 1: Like, I ride so much better when I'm doing, like,
2:16:34
consistent Pilates.
2:16:35
Speaker 2: I did Pilates once with my wife. I was like, oh.
2:16:38
It's hard. It's hard as shit. A lot harder. It's
2:16:40
like yoga in a way that, like, people think, oh, yoga,
2:16:43
you're just going and stretching. No, no, no. Like, go
2:16:45
do it. It's fucking hard. It's hard. And Pilates is hard.
2:16:49
I was like, oh, this is weird. this is using
2:16:52
weird muscles. Yeah.
2:16:53
Speaker 1: Like shaky ones.
2:16:54
Speaker 3: You're like, why am I shaking?
2:16:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:16:57
Speaker 2: Like stabilizing muscles. But it's like a really good thing
2:17:01
to balance out other stuff, you know, but that would
2:17:04
definitely improve your core strength and allow you to be
2:17:06
able to.
2:17:07
Speaker 1: When I first started riding, I was like, I'm still
2:17:10
not great. And I still have fear, you know, on
2:17:12
a horse. Like I'm just not super comfortable all the time,
2:17:15
you know, when we're going fast. So I'm just learning
2:17:17
to work up to that. But, When I first started riding,
2:17:20
I didn't start riding a horse ever until I was
2:17:22
30 years old. And I wish I'd started at four
2:17:24
when I was fearless. You know what I mean? Right.
2:17:26
But starting at 30, you're like getting on this giant
2:17:29
animal and you don't know what you're doing. And my
2:17:32
trainer at the time was like, you need to do Pilates.
2:17:35
And so I started Pilates and it really helped me.
2:17:37
Like it helped. Helped me stabilize myself a little more.
2:17:41
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Your trainer told you to do Pilates to
2:17:43
help horse riding.
2:17:44
Speaker 1: She was training my horses and teaching me how to ride.
2:17:46
She was like, you do not have core strength at all.
2:17:49
You need to go do Pilates.
2:17:50
Speaker 2: That's interesting that you would choose that huh i guess
2:17:54
that makes sense but i would think that there's other
2:17:57
stuff you could do too like those you ever see
2:17:59
a what a bow suit ball is you know oh
2:18:01
yeah like standing on that ball with a flat bottom
2:18:03
to it where you like balance.
2:18:05
Speaker 1: Yes and they have this uh It's like this saddle
2:18:08
you sit on, and it's for that. It's almost like
2:18:12
one of those balls, but it's a saddle you sit on.
2:18:15
Like if you were sitting on a yoga ball, but
2:18:16
it's a saddle. And like my shooting coach, Kenda, my
2:18:20
friend Kenda, she'll tell me, get your gun belt on
2:18:23
and get your guns out and sit on your, is
2:18:25
that the yoga ball, the big one? The big workout ball?
2:18:28
Sit on that and shoot off that.
2:18:29
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
2:18:30
Speaker 1: Like when you're doing your drills or whatever.
2:18:31
Speaker 2: Because you've got to stabilize. It's all just about stabilizing. Yeah. No,
2:18:36
I know a lot of people that sit at their
2:18:37
desk on one of those.
2:18:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is smart.
2:18:39
Speaker 2: I guess.
2:18:41
Speaker 1: I'm glad I don't have to sit at a desk.
2:18:42
I don't think I'd do well.
2:18:43
Speaker 2: Well, I have to sit at this desk. But these chairs,
2:18:45
they keep you upright. These are really good.
2:18:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're comfy.
2:18:48
Speaker 2: They're good. They make you sit correctly, or at least
2:18:52
encourage you to sit correctly. Yeah. Rather than a... But
2:18:55
when you started doing that, when you were 30, how
2:18:57
long did it take before you started shooting guns off
2:18:59
of a horse?
2:18:59
Speaker 1: I just started that last year.
2:19:01
Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
2:19:01
Speaker 1: I mean, I just started last year. I started... I showed...
2:19:05
Gypsy Vanners, they're like draft, lazy draft horses, kind of.
2:19:09
I got into those because I was 30 and, like,
2:19:13
I can't afford to get hurt. Like, I'm on the
2:19:14
road all the time. So I wanted something safe to
2:19:17
learn on.
2:19:17
Speaker 2: Have you fallen before? Oh, yeah.
2:19:19
Speaker 1: Fallen 100 times. Really?
2:19:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:19:21
Speaker 1: I mean, I tried to do 100 jumper. I thought
2:19:23
I wanted to be. I was, like, all excited. I'm, like,
2:19:27
I'm going to be a cowgirl at 30 years old. I'm, like,
2:19:29
I'm going to finally be a cowgirl. I want to
2:19:31
barrel race. Well, then I learned that I didn't want
2:19:33
to barrel race. Which kind of the guns, it's patterns
2:19:36
and it's going fast around. You have to go around
2:19:38
the barrel. So kind of back to that. But this
2:19:40
old cowboy trainer where I got my first horse, he
2:19:43
was like, you need to go take English lessons because
2:19:46
you need your fundamentals. Because you can't, you're not just
2:19:49
going to get a Western saddle and act like you
2:19:51
know what you're doing. Go take lessons because English is
2:19:53
so proper.
2:19:54
Speaker 2: What is English lessons?
2:19:55
Speaker 1: English and like, it's like the hunter jumpers, like the dressage.
2:19:59
It's like the very proper.
2:20:00
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
2:20:01
Speaker 1: You know, English writing is teaches you the fundamentals. Look,
2:20:03
I'm sitting up straight or talking about to where Western
2:20:07
is a lot more loose. And so it's taught me
2:20:10
a lot taking English lessons. But I thought I'd do
2:20:13
hunter jumper, which is like, you know, jumping over the poles.
2:20:16
Speaker 2: Right.
2:20:17
Speaker 1: And that's where I really hit the ground a few times.
2:20:20
I wasn't ready for that. You know what I mean? Yeah.
2:20:23
Just it's been a cool journey. It's just I mean,
2:20:25
it's a lot to learn.
2:20:27
Speaker 2: It's a lot to learn. I'm imagining it's also, like,
2:20:30
rough on the body, too. Yeah. Yeah, it is.
2:20:33
Speaker 1: That's why I'm like, give me your safe. Cool, my horse,
2:20:37
he is super safe. I just, I don't, I want
2:20:41
to learn really badly, and I want to grow and
2:20:43
be better, but I don't want to do it at
2:20:45
a certain cost.
2:20:46
Speaker 2: Do you enter competitions or anything?
2:20:48
Speaker 1: I showed my Vanners for 10 years.
2:20:50
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
2:20:51
Speaker 1: I just went to horse shows and like.
2:20:54
Speaker 2: You said some words I don't understand. Gypsy Vanners. I
2:20:56
showed my Vanners.
2:20:57
Speaker 1: My Vanners. That sounds dirty when you say it back
2:21:00
like that.
2:21:00
Speaker 2: It does a little. What's a Vanner? Right. No, it's my.
2:21:03
Speaker 1: Gypsy Vanners are the kind of horses I have.
2:21:05
Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
2:21:05
Speaker 1: So I went and showed them in competitions like just
2:21:10
English pleasure, Western pleasure, like just riding around the rail
2:21:14
and it's about your technique and.
2:21:15
Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
2:21:17
Speaker 1: It's not like jumping or... So when English.
2:21:20
Speaker 2: It's just about... Being in control of the horse. Yep.
2:21:23
It's your technique. Making the horse listen to you.
2:21:27
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then I got into the shooting, and I'm
2:21:30
not going back.
2:21:30
Speaker 2: Are you going to do competitions with the shooting?
2:21:32
Speaker 1: I did one last year just to, like, get my
2:21:35
first one out of the way.
2:21:36
Speaker 3: And it was fun.
2:21:38
Speaker 1: I mean, it was scary. It was scary as shit, honestly. But, like,
2:21:41
all these girls I ride with are so good. Like,
2:21:44
they go 100 miles an hour. Like, I got to
2:21:48
show you, Kenda. Like, she is.
2:21:50
Speaker 2: Is there a video of her?
2:21:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's amazing.
2:21:52
Speaker 2: What's her last name?
2:21:53
Speaker 1: Lansane. It's L-A-N-S-E-S-I-E-N-G. Google it. I'm spelling it wrong.
2:22:00
Speaker 2: Jamie will find it.
2:22:00
Speaker 1: She's amazing. And they go so fast. And, like, it's
2:22:04
a timed event, right? So you're competing just against you, really,
2:22:10
like how precise and how fast you can go on
2:22:13
your horse.
2:22:13
Speaker 2: So you have, like, a green light and then you go?
2:22:16
Speaker 1: Green light, you go.
2:22:16
Speaker 2: How do they start you off?
2:22:19
Speaker 1: You do it.
2:22:20
Speaker 2: What do they say? A flag. Oh, they drop a
2:22:23
flag and then you go?
2:22:24
Speaker 3: And then you go.
2:22:25
Speaker 2: Oh.
2:22:25
Speaker 1: I didn't go that fast. I did mine in like
2:22:27
28 seconds. She does it in like eight seconds.
2:22:31
Speaker 2: Whoa. Like seven seconds. Same course?
2:22:32
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, my God.
2:22:34
Speaker 2: It's insane.
2:22:35
Speaker 1: She's amazing. But that's something to work towards.
2:22:38
Speaker 2: How many times has she wiped out?
2:22:40
Speaker 1: Oh, she's broke down as hell. She's broke down.
2:22:43
Speaker 3: She has cowgirl broke down, but she's still going.
2:22:46
Speaker 1: She wiped out so bad last year and just gets
2:22:48
right back on, keeps going. Riding in a cast like
2:22:52
it's a cowgirl way.
2:22:53
Speaker 2: Riding in a cast. Tough.
2:22:55
Speaker 1: That's tough.
2:22:55
Speaker 3: They're tough.
2:22:56
Speaker 2: Yeah. People are built different.
2:22:57
Speaker 1: They are.
2:22:58
Speaker 2: You got any videos? I just found this one. Here
2:23:01
we go. I want to see this.
2:23:03
Speaker 3: She's awesome.
2:23:04
Speaker 2: Because I saw that you were doing that. I was like,
2:23:06
that's bananas. But it looks like fun.
2:23:09
Speaker 1: It is fun.
2:23:10
Speaker 2: Do they have one of those where they do bow
2:23:11
and arrow?
2:23:12
Speaker 1: They have bow and arrow. There she is.
2:23:14
Speaker 2: Oh, here she goes.
2:23:15
Speaker 1: They have bow and arrows.
2:23:18
Speaker 2: Woo.
2:23:19
Speaker 1: Rifles. The rifles are crazy.
2:23:21
Speaker 2: Imagine this lady running up to you on a ranch
2:23:24
with a pistol in her hand.
2:23:26
Speaker 1: She is legit.
2:23:30
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
2:23:30
Speaker 1: She's one of my besties.
2:23:34
Speaker 2: Is there a high speed where they're not showing it?
2:23:35
Here it goes. Oh, wow. That's crazy. Oh, man. This
2:23:43
is awesome.
2:23:43
Speaker 1: She is a literal never misses.
2:23:45
Speaker 2: Oh, now I get it. Okay, this looks like fun.
2:23:48
Speaker 1: There's 83 patterns, so the horse never runs the same pattern.
2:23:53
Speaker 2: Wait a minute. How is she shooting that many times?
2:23:57
Speaker 1: It's five shots and a gun change.
2:23:59
Speaker 2: Oh, you have to change your gun?
2:24:00
Speaker 1: You have to change your gun, yeah.
2:24:02
Speaker 2: So how many shots is it total in one of
2:24:04
these rounds where you run? Ten. Ten. So, okay, so
2:24:08
you have ten things.
2:24:09
Speaker 1: This is like a highlight reel, but yeah.
2:24:11
Speaker 2: Ten shots.
2:24:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's my bestie who's teaching me how to
2:24:15
do it.
2:24:15
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah. That's how to learn.
2:24:18
Speaker 1: She's awesome.
2:24:19
Speaker 2: Learn from a psycho. Exactly. She looks completely insane. You've
2:24:23
got to have a serious screw loose to be good
2:24:26
at that. Wow. Yeah. Oh, my God. Look at this dude. Oh,
2:24:29
this is her.
2:24:30
Speaker 1: That's her and Charles.
2:24:35
Speaker 2: Wow. Oh, yeah. How about your kinder 12 and 070.
2:24:43
I don't know what those numbers mean, but it looks awesome.
2:24:45
It looks like fun.
2:24:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really fun. And it's, I don't know.
2:24:51
Speaker 2: It's a very country thing to be involved in, too.
2:24:53
Speaker 1: Well, guess what?
2:24:53
Speaker 2: There you go. Guess what, Joe? I mean, it's perfect.
2:24:59
It's perfect for you.
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Speaker 1: We talked about chickens. We talked about dogs. We talked
2:25:03
about guns on horses.
2:25:04
Speaker 2: Archery, hunting, fill in the blank. Tito's and Tito's. Yeah, exactly.
2:25:11
But that's a very country activity because it's not just
2:25:14
horse riding. It's horse riding with pistols.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, come on. Yeah. I love it.
2:25:18
Speaker 2: It's funny that I didn't know that that was such
2:25:21
a big thing. See if there's one where they do
2:25:24
it off with bows and arrows. I want to see that.
2:25:26
It's crazy.
2:25:26
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that in person, but the rifles.
2:25:30
Speaker 2: Oh, rifles they do, too?
2:25:31
Speaker 1: They do it with rifles, and you.
2:25:32
Speaker 3: Don't have reins.
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Speaker 1: Because you use two hands to shoot the rifle.
2:25:37
Speaker 2: Right.
2:25:37
Speaker 1: They're riding with their legs.
2:25:39
Speaker 2: Whoa.
2:25:39
Speaker 1: Right?
2:25:40
Speaker 2: Right, and the horse is making wild turns. You have
2:25:42
to have crazy strength in your legs.
2:25:44
Speaker 1: To keep in place. That needs a lot of Pilates.
2:25:46
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. So you can find one where they're doing
2:25:49
it bows and arrows. Because I know that that's how
2:25:52
the Mongols did it. That's how the Comanches did it.
2:25:55
They learned how to shoot while they were... They learned
2:25:58
how to time the release of their arrow while the
2:26:00
horse was in the air. Yeah. They had the least
2:26:03
amount of disturbance. What is this one? Epic Equestrian Mounted Archery.
2:26:12
But are they... Is this a competition? I mean, I
2:26:15
don't know that there's many of them. Oh, yeah, so
2:26:18
they have targets. Yeah, but this looks like a... British
2:26:20
horseback archery.
2:26:22
Speaker 1: See, she's in a dressage saddle doing that.
2:26:25
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, look at this. The guy's got the crazy
2:26:28
mongrel hat on, too. Oh, that makes... Look at that.
2:26:35
That's cool.
2:26:35
Speaker 1: Is that your next hobby? No.
2:26:39
Speaker 2: I don't fuck with horses. It's just... I like them.
2:26:44
I love them. I think they're awesome. I don't want
2:26:46
to ride them. There you go. There's a whole thing
2:26:47
for it. Oh, that's cool.
2:26:48
Speaker 1: Oh, that's like a pattern.
2:26:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, so very similar. Similar kind of deal. Taron Tactical
2:26:53
for horses. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Taron Tactical is a tactical
2:26:58
range in California. That's where Keanu Reeves learned how to
2:27:01
shoot guns. I used to go there when I lived
2:27:03
in California. You do, like, shooter ready, and you go
2:27:07
through a tactical course.
2:27:09
Speaker 1: That's where we shoot out in Scottsdale is— It's a
2:27:12
bit called Ben Avery Shooting Facility, and it's, like, all
2:27:15
of that. Anything that can be shot is shot there.
2:27:19
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:27:20
Speaker 1: So, Kenda had them build a rodeo arena so we
2:27:22
could do our balloons.
2:27:25
Speaker 2: That would be the coolest thing to have on your property.
2:27:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:27:27
Speaker 2: Have a tactical range right on your property.
2:27:31
Speaker 1: This place is huge, and it's out there in the desert, so, like,
2:27:33
there's plenty of space to.
2:27:35
Speaker 2: Do all things. That's what I was thinking about that
2:27:37
shooting pistols on the horses like when did they figure
2:27:40
out to not use bullets? Something happened.
2:27:44
Speaker 1: Something happened. And the horses wear earplugs too which is great.
2:27:48
Speaker 2: They probably had to figure that out later in life too.
2:27:51
Speaker 1: Horses wear earplugs.
2:27:52
Speaker 2: But when did they figure out how many people got
2:27:54
shot before they realized hey we probably shouldn't be using
2:27:56
real bullets to shoot these balloons. Yeah.
2:27:58
Speaker 1: Black powder might be a better call.
2:27:59
Speaker 2: Because you got all those people in the audience, and
2:28:01
then you got someone on a horse. It is.
2:28:05
Speaker 1: And she catches hell for it. People are like, you
2:28:07
can't be. She's like, it's spectator safe. It's safe for
2:28:10
the horses. Everybody wears earplugs.
2:28:11
Speaker 3: It's black powder.
2:28:12
Speaker 2: Who gets mad? People.
2:28:13
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to bitch about something.
2:28:15
Speaker 2: Right. You know. But that's just how it's.
2:28:17
Speaker 1: Going to be.
2:28:18
Speaker 3: You would know more than anyone. I don't need to
2:28:21
tell you.
2:28:23
Speaker 2: You can't make everybody happy.
2:28:24
Speaker 3: It's impossible.
2:28:25
Speaker 2: No, you can't. And you're always going to make someone mad.
2:28:28
As long as you're really that, you'll be okay. Yeah.
2:28:30
And as long as you stay offline.
2:28:32
Speaker 3: Yeah. Stay off that TikTok.
2:28:33
Speaker 2: Stay out of that river. That TikTok river. Yeah. A
2:28:38
lot of people drown in that river. Yeah. Yeah. Anything
2:28:43
else you want to talk about? Should we wrap this up?
2:28:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we talked about every country thing you
2:28:46
can talk about.
2:28:47
Speaker 2: We basically did. Listen, you're really fun to talk to.
2:28:50
I really enjoyed it.
2:28:50
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on here.
2:28:51
Speaker 2: My pleasure. I really appreciate it. And I love your music,
2:28:53
and I love your personality, so it was really cool
2:28:56
to have you in here.
2:28:56
Speaker 1: Well, come see us on the road.
2:28:57
Speaker 2: I would love to. Are you ever.
2:28:59
Speaker 1: In Austin soon? I'm playing the San Antonio Rodeo next year.
2:29:01
Speaker 2: When is that?
2:29:02
Speaker 1: What time?
2:29:02
Speaker 2: February. February. Oh, okay, so like in a couple of months. Yeah. Okay.
2:29:06
We'll try to make it down for that. Are you
2:29:08
ever in Austin, though?
2:29:09
Speaker 1: I haven't played in Austin in a long time.
2:29:10
Speaker 2: Really?
2:29:11
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I'm here all the time, and
2:29:14
I don't know. I need to get that on the books.
2:29:16
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, I will come. I will definitely come.
2:29:18
Speaker 1: Well, thank you.
2:29:19
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. If anybody
2:29:21
wants to go find you out on the river.
2:29:24
Speaker 3: On the river.
2:29:25
Speaker 2: Social media on the river.
2:29:26
Speaker 1: I'm on all your social media platforms.
2:29:28
Speaker 2: You're on all that stuff?
2:29:28
Speaker 1: MirandaBambert.com.
2:29:29
Speaker 2: Okay. Thank you very much. Bye, everybody. Bye.