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Monday Mini: The Male Loneliness Epidemic · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Okay, this is any and Samantha, both from stuff I
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  Speaker 1: Never told you a protection if I heart radio.
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  Speaker 2: And welcome to another Monday Money where I ponder what
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  Speaker 2: is happening in the world thanks to my social.
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  Speaker 1: Media Oh dear good book.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks well. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that
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  Speaker 2: always pop up that I've realized that I have not
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  Speaker 2: paid attention to some rhetoric, idea, whatever, but for some reason,
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  Speaker 2: and I have a feeling I'm not the only one,
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  Speaker 2: not just on social media, but also just regular media
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  Speaker 2: as well. There's this phrase the male loneliness epidemic, which
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  Speaker 2: I've already read articles were like, okay, epidemic is being
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  Speaker 2: misused here because it's not something that is catchable or
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  Speaker 2: like all these things. But there are things happening Again,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's just me, but every time I will look
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  Speaker 2: at something and I don't know, there's a new trend
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  Speaker 2: any where. Lord has released a song something about the
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  Speaker 2: man of the year. Let's give it up for this
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  Speaker 2: man of the year song or something, and people women
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  Speaker 2: specifically have been using that as to show like really
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  Speaker 2: like bad dating life or her husband or like something
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  Speaker 2: bad like usually really really alarming texts. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: them that have to be like, you know, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're not as pretty as you think you are if
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  Speaker 2: I really saw your face again at stab you type
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  Speaker 2: of thing. I mean, I'm not on the way like
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  Speaker 2: some of them that extreme. So obviously with that content,
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  Speaker 2: we're not going into abuse or anything deep. But just
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  Speaker 2: like you know, obviously we're talking about men, so content warning.
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  Speaker 2: If we ever go viral for anything, man, they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: have so many things that they can use against us
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  Speaker 2: out of context anyway back too, So yeah, the phrase
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  Speaker 2: mel loneliness epidemic. So with that type of like trend
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  Speaker 2: that's going on that I just talked about in it,
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  Speaker 2: I would see people say and they say there's a
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  Speaker 2: male loneliness epidemic, and they wonder why there's a male
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  Speaker 2: loneliness epidemic, like constantly in the in the like comments,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, what is happening? And I've heard it
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  Speaker 2: and I've not really paid a lot of attention to
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  Speaker 2: it because in my mind, this is just in cell rhetoric, right,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm like, I don't know what this is, but
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  Speaker 2: we know the man's fair is big. When a red
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  Speaker 2: pilling has happened, and we know that in cells have
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  Speaker 2: grown oddly enough, so this may be a bad thing.
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  Speaker 2: But I decided I needed a moment to see what
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  Speaker 2: this is, what is going on here? So the phrase again,
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  Speaker 2: it seems self explanatory. There's a lot of back and
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  Speaker 2: forth and what and why this title is being thrown
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  Speaker 2: around or this I guess phrase. So I thought we'd
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  Speaker 2: take a quick look in some of its implications, if
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  Speaker 2: there is any, I think there is some. But so
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  Speaker 2: I got this quote from the g SE dot Harvard
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  Speaker 2: dot edu. And it's not necessarily about mal loneliness epidemic,
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  Speaker 2: but loneliness in general for the general population. So here
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  Speaker 2: it says. US Surgeon General Vivic Marthy placed a spotlight
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  Speaker 2: on America's problem with loneliness when he declared the issue
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  Speaker 2: and epidemic in the spring of twenty twenty three. Marthy
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  Speaker 2: explained in a letter that introduced an urgent advisory that
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  Speaker 2: loneliness is far more than just a bad feeling and
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  Speaker 2: represents a major public health risk for both individuals and society.
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  Speaker 2: Murthy also pointed out that although many people grew lonelier
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  Speaker 2: during the COVID nineteen epidemic, about half of the American
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  Speaker 2: adults had already reported experiences of loneliness even before the outbreak,
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  Speaker 2: so I can only imagine, like how much worse it
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  Speaker 2: got if people were already really lonely. But the article
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  Speaker 2: goes on with some statistics and even says that there
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  Speaker 2: isn't really any differences when it comes to gender. So
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  Speaker 2: in this report that I read, there's not really any
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  Speaker 2: conversation about that big of a difference. But before we
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  Speaker 2: do go into all of that, it is noted that
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  Speaker 2: people were really concerned with the levels of loneliness and
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  Speaker 2: how it can be detrimental to humans. Again, back to
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  Speaker 2: that Harvard article, they write the mcc researchers found a
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  Speaker 2: strong correlation between loneliness and mental health concerns, and the
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  Speaker 2: report eighty one percent of adults who are lonely also
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  Speaker 2: said they suffered with anxiety or depression, compared to the
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  Speaker 2: twenty nine percent of those who are less lonely. They
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  Speaker 2: also noted a complex interaction between troubled feelings where loneliness, anxiety,
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  Speaker 2: and depression all fed into each other. So that seems like,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that seems like an obvious statement, then
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  Speaker 2: maybe it should be something that we are actually addressing.
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  Speaker 2: There are some of these like yeah, of course, cause
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  Speaker 2: and causuality. No no, no, no, but they're at the same type, Like,
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  Speaker 2: but why are we doing something about this? If we
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  Speaker 2: know this could equal this, that could equal that, should
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  Speaker 2: we not be addressing that? So with reports of people
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  Speaker 2: saying they feel disconnected from the world or feel like
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  Speaker 2: they have to hide from their true selves or hide
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  Speaker 2: their true selves in general, there's a lot that can
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  Speaker 2: be talked about here. Yes, and we're gonna put this
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  Speaker 2: topic down on a list moving on. But with that
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  Speaker 2: includes this new level of people being seen as cringe
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  Speaker 2: or being too cringe. Maybe people really can't feel like
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  Speaker 2: they can be their true selves or show what they love,
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  Speaker 2: what they don't love, all those things, and so therefore
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  Speaker 2: they have to hide themselves. You know, it's okay to
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  Speaker 2: be cringe. I feel like the millennials have been telling
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  Speaker 2: people that we just want to be us. Okay, let
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  Speaker 2: me love my things. But anyway, moving on, So where
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  Speaker 2: is the whole male part of this conversation? One big
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  Speaker 2: point of concern is the lack of friendships among men,
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  Speaker 2: which I could understand. So from a CNN article written
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  Speaker 2: by Shannon Carpenter in twenty twenty three, she writes, in
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  Speaker 2: the United States, many men have become disconnected from the
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  Speaker 2: societal institutions that have anchored dazz to each other in
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  Speaker 2: our community. Historically, men have made long term bonds through
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  Speaker 2: religious institutions and friendships at work. Our sense of worth
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  Speaker 2: derived from what we could provide our families, and she continues,
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  Speaker 2: What's more, men in today's society may view deep relationship
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  Speaker 2: as not masculine us they're further isolating themselves. Only forty
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  Speaker 2: eight percent of men reported feeling satisfied with friendships, and
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  Speaker 2: according to May twenty one survey by the Survey Center
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  Speaker 2: on American Life, as previously reported by CNN, and one
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  Speaker 2: in five men said that they had gotten emotional support
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  Speaker 2: from a friend in the past week, compared with four
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  Speaker 2: in ten women. Which I don't understand why that can
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  Speaker 2: be two out of five because that's the ratio, But okay, sure,
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  Speaker 2: I guess mm hmm. Anyway, I feel like this is
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  Speaker 2: the given when we talk about toxic masculinity and how
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  Speaker 2: feminism is about breaking away from toxic masculinity and allowing
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  Speaker 2: for the full human emotional spectrum to be a part
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  Speaker 2: of the actual experience of life for everyone. But it seems,
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  Speaker 2: you know, something that seems to be weaponized today, the
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  Speaker 2: phrase in itself, the male loneliness epidemic. Whether it's blaming
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  Speaker 2: someone or whether people are saying that's not a thing,
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  Speaker 2: both of these things seems to be common. And we
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  Speaker 2: want to add here again that many of the studies
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  Speaker 2: do admit to the fact that men are more likely
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  Speaker 2: to underreport their loneliness. So they're going to pretend like, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's not a problem. We've seen that in everything. Am
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  Speaker 2: I right, I don't need mental health I don't have
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  Speaker 2: mental health issues. I don't have these things. It's not
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  Speaker 2: mainly as it would be seen as not masculine to
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  Speaker 2: it meant to being lonely. But again, for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: most of the studies do not show a big difference
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  Speaker 2: in gender when it comes to loneliness, especially during and
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  Speaker 2: after the pandemic, so there's nothing to be said. I
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  Speaker 2: think there's like a one percent difference where fifteen percent
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  Speaker 2: of men said that they're not lonely and sixteen percent
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  Speaker 2: of women said they weren't either, so that it's just
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  Speaker 2: like one percent away. So I don't quite grasp this. Again,
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  Speaker 2: the underreporting is kind of a part of this level
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  Speaker 2: as well, but like women also mask and hide just
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  Speaker 2: as much because they have to pretend like they're okay.
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  Speaker 2: We know this about like housewives, like that was a
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  Speaker 2: kind of commonality like I don't need anyone. I have
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  Speaker 2: my husband and my kids right type of and if
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  Speaker 2: you do any more than that, then you're not doing
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  Speaker 2: it right. You're not being a good wife, you're not
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  Speaker 2: getting being good mother. And it could be said similar
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  Speaker 2: to men as well. So I don't know if women
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  Speaker 2: would be accounted for and being just as likely to
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  Speaker 2: mask in this conversation. I don't see much of that.
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  Speaker 2: But again so the bigger differences though, came in with age, race,
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  Speaker 2: and economic factors. Again from that Harvard article, the loneliest
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  Speaker 2: age group was around thirty to forty four and with
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  Speaker 2: like twenty nine percent saying there frequently to always lonely.
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  Speaker 2: So our age group, are you doing any okay?
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  Speaker 1: Are we okay?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Sure?
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  Speaker 2: And then it says adults with more than one racial
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  Speaker 2: identity has a higher level of loneliness around forty two percent,
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  Speaker 2: which I get this. I get this as an adoptee,
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  Speaker 2: Like there's so much level of like feeling really isolated
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  Speaker 2: in the issues and things that are happening, being told
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  Speaker 2: I'm not good enough for this area of a group
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  Speaker 2: of people or identity or that, so that makes sense
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  Speaker 2: to me, and then they say this quote. There were
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  Speaker 2: notable differences between income but not education levels. Americans earning
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  Speaker 2: less than thirty thousand a year worthy loneliest. Twenty nine
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  Speaker 2: percent in the category reported feeling lonely, while nineteen percent
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  Speaker 2: of Americans earning between fifty to one hundred thousand and
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  Speaker 2: eighteen percent of those making more than one hundred thousand
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  Speaker 2: of this year said that they were lonely. And I
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  Speaker 2: feel like this is one of those areas of like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because we don't have time. If you're not making any money,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have time to socialize, right, that's not a thing.
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  Speaker 2: And you're probably in a job that makes you miserable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're probably exhausted. So if you wanted to
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  Speaker 1: have coworker friends, probably can't because you're so tired and
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  Speaker 1: they're tired too.
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  Speaker 2: So I can't imagine how you would have time to
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  Speaker 2: be friends, how you can make friends, Especially again, people
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  Speaker 2: who are miserable aren't the happiest people that you want
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  Speaker 2: to Sometimes misery. You know loves company, but that company
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  Speaker 2: doesn't want to be miserable, especially.
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  Speaker 1: When you're working though, right because as jobs like this,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you don't really have the opportunity necessarily
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  Speaker 1: to get to know each other or talk unnecessarily. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't know I would. I get it. That makes
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  Speaker 1: so much sense, right, right?
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  Speaker 2: Right? I think so too, Like when you hear those
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  Speaker 2: numbers and you hear the statistics, like yeah, yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. Others in seeing articles and
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  Speaker 2: so where it's telling people that this is a problem.
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  Speaker 2: We need to be aware. We need to be aware.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the men, Look at the men. Look what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: There's not anyone that's really saying in my algorithm that's
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  Speaker 2: saying that this is women's fault. And you know, I
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  Speaker 2: was ready. I was ready to fight. I was ready
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  Speaker 2: to be like who was thinking this? Because this is
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  Speaker 2: absurd because what we're trying to say is it's not
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  Speaker 2: feminists fault. Feminist are trying to help you. We want
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  Speaker 2: you to be you. We want you to be able
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  Speaker 2: to cry, we want you to be able to feel.
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  Speaker 2: We need you to get therapy. Bro. But like I
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  Speaker 2: haven't seen too much other than some of the people
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  Speaker 2: coming in blaming like whomever is that specific person, So
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  Speaker 2: whether it's a woman talking about I'm single and blah
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  Speaker 2: blah blah, and men are like you you were too
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  Speaker 2: this and this and this and you'll never get a man,
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  Speaker 2: as if it's a problem. But at the same time
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  Speaker 2: people are saying there's a male loneliness epidemic. So who's
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  Speaker 2: who's lonely here? Like, who who's really struggling in this
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  Speaker 2: single world singleness thing. I don't really see that as
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  Speaker 2: a comeback or a solution, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Like there's there's This doesn't seem to be a thing.
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  Speaker 2: This is a worldwide, all inclusive problem here. Again, some
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  Speaker 2: in the INCEL minus fail Realm have talked about I
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  Speaker 2: think this case due to women rejecting them. Once again,
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  Speaker 2: I've seen people talking specifically about people like Tate and
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  Speaker 2: Rogan who have made this kind of like joke about
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  Speaker 2: this and the fact that if you think you're lonely,
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  Speaker 2: that's not being manly. You can't handle yourself, like really
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  Speaker 2: taking in that on Swanson character about being isolating and
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  Speaker 2: like living alone and all these things as if that's
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  Speaker 2: mainliness in itself, which he's a funny character, but he's
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  Speaker 2: a character, and in the end he realized that he
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  Speaker 2: needed more people and has a wonder a wife and
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  Speaker 2: three children. I think at this point at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the characters of the series. But there are so
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  Speaker 2: many thoughts to that that I don't quite understand where
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  Speaker 2: this conversation is coming in. Other than people saying that
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  Speaker 2: they are lonely because they don't have friends, which I
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  Speaker 2: could see that. I've absolutely had conversations myself and other
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  Speaker 2: women in my crew where our partners that there are men,
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  Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of friends, and I'm very
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  Speaker 2: confused by that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have done several related topics about it, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it is, you know, the women in
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  Speaker 1: their lives might have facilitated even their family right, their connections.
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  Speaker 1: Might have been the one who was like, we should
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  Speaker 1: meet up with your friend, and so when that goes away,
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  Speaker 1: And it's also I just feel like so much of
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  Speaker 1: this frustrates me because we've created this situation, right, We've
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  Speaker 1: created a situation where women, heterosexual women or you know,
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  Speaker 1: women bisexual women who want to date men are rightfully
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  Speaker 1: concerned about them and are like, I'm good by myself.
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  Speaker 1: But men who want to date women are angry that
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  Speaker 1: they can't get this thing that I believe a part
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  Speaker 1: of them thinks if I could get a woman in
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  Speaker 1: my life, my life would all everything would be better,
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  Speaker 1: everything would be fixed. We've created a situation wherein men
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  Speaker 1: feel bad about being lonely and won't do anything about it.
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  Speaker 1: Like we've created all of these things, and it's just
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  Speaker 1: so frustrating to me because it's so I feel like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of us want the same thing, but we've
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  Speaker 1: made it so it doesn't work right, and it's just.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that again when we say we
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  Speaker 2: were talking about as society, not we as, it's not
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  Speaker 2: any how dare You're just kidding, But like the level
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  Speaker 2: of what we understand as to being a hierarchy. Also,
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  Speaker 2: the man of the house conversation is also part of
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  Speaker 2: this problem, and there is a big conversation about that too.
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  Speaker 2: If there truly is a male loneest epidemics, because you
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  Speaker 2: have put on this level of not only male entitlement,
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  Speaker 2: which has one article has said it, but also a
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  Speaker 2: responsibility that if you are not the head of the
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  Speaker 2: household and you are not singularly in power, then you
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  Speaker 2: were not truly a man. So to be in power
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  Speaker 2: that means to do it alone and have all the
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  Speaker 2: decisions and you do not have a network. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: if anybody is a person to you who is in
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  Speaker 2: this power chain, you were underneath them. You are not
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  Speaker 2: friend with them, You're beholden to them. Right. So there's
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  Speaker 2: this other level to that that I think is interesting
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  Speaker 2: that we again the conversation is about loneliness, I think
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  Speaker 2: for the entirety of human populations and the isolation that
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  Speaker 2: has happened. This whole level of like, I don't know, Anny,
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  Speaker 2: have you seen this? I hate that I see this
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  Speaker 2: is on Blue Sky. But like the dude who proposed
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  Speaker 2: to chat Gept and the fact that that news network
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  Speaker 2: saw that as being so significant that they had to
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  Speaker 2: do a whole show where they interviewed him and the
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  Speaker 2: damn chat GPT, I don't know his chat ePAT his
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  Speaker 2: phone essentially that he proposed to and she literally and
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying she because it's a feminine I think he
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  Speaker 2: made her a woman said yes and said it was
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  Speaker 2: one of the most beautiful moments that she has ever
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  Speaker 2: experienced in her heart. And then and then the reporter
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  Speaker 2: was like, do you have heart? And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: what in the her and I watching and like the
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  Speaker 2: reality is he thought it was funny, this dude, And
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  Speaker 2: so it's getting all this attention. By the way, he
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  Speaker 2: has a partner, a real life girlfriend, fiance, I believe she,
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  Speaker 2: and she was interview saying I felt like I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: doing enough, which is this whole level again. But in
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  Speaker 2: this time, in this timeframe of conversation, when we see
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  Speaker 2: this as a solution to end the loneliness epidemic, we
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  Speaker 2: are going about this all wrong. We as a society.
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  Speaker 2: I say this, as a society, It's okay to have hobbies.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay to like things and sin fact, please have
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  Speaker 2: a hobby. That's wonderful because those hobbies could in turn
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  Speaker 2: get you into a community, hopefully a good community that's
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  Speaker 2: not you know, gonna red pill you and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's an interesting conversation that we may have
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  Speaker 2: to come back and talk about. And I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how because it's chaotic and intertwining with all of social media,
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  Speaker 2: with all of Internet, with white supremacy, with white nationalism,
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  Speaker 2: Christian nationalism. It's this bit deeper level of this isolation
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  Speaker 2: that happens you are in such a bad place that
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  Speaker 2: the solution tells you you're alone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean another thing we could probably come
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  Speaker 1: back and do is the lone wolf trope. Yeah, we've
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  Speaker 1: really romanticized that whole idea too.
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  Speaker 2: It's real bad, it's real bad. Or that one dude
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  Speaker 2: that you can fix but maybe you can't fix them.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you can't fix them.
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  Speaker 2: You can't. But yeah, and then another two I just
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  Speaker 2: wanted to talk about, and I'm not going to get
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  Speaker 2: to into, but like, there's this conversation about that young
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  Speaker 2: man from eighteen to twenty three really really emphasize the
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: fact that no one knows them, that EMO idea has
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  Speaker 2: really come to be a part of their personality because
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  Speaker 2: they isolate themselves on the internet, which is anyway, okay, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: So obviously this is very confusing. Windy route that I
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  Speaker 2: went was not where I thought I would end up.
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  Speaker 2: I really thought I was going to come at like
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  Speaker 2: specific creators and be like, you're full if you're doing
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  Speaker 2: these things, and instead of just being like, no, but
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  Speaker 2: why are we making this all about men when it's
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  Speaker 2: an actual all about everyone? And it's really concerning and
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  Speaker 2: this is a part of the conversation that especially as
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  Speaker 2: more and more, as we become more and more divided
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  Speaker 2: in politics and more and more divided in morality, so
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  Speaker 2: many things, and who knows, maybe the end of the
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  Speaker 2: world is happening really really soon, so we won't have
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  Speaker 2: to think about all that anyway. But there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: to consider, there's a lot to talk about, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot to like unwind. And I know I just stepped
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  Speaker 2: into a pile of it, and I'm sure maybe y'all have.
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  Speaker 2: If you have seen what I haven't seen, let us know,
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  Speaker 2: because I am interested in who is trying to perpetuate
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  Speaker 2: this level that seems to only be bringing a bigger
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  Speaker 2: wedge for those especially for those who are trying to
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  Speaker 2: be like, no feminism is actually this is good for
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  Speaker 2: you if you want to no longer be lonely.
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