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The Class Handbook; Monk: Ep. 42 · Sessions Canceled

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  Among tragedy, stunning strike the Trask and realize he ran a
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  key points, and they got the party paid.
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  So sessions cancelled, welcome to another.
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  I'm trying to think of a bad example.
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  I can give to annoy Josh, but I can't.
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  The moment, another another example of the sessions canceled
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  podcast, I'm your host for the day.
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  I am the the mercy monk himself. Matt, I'm here with my boys.
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  The homies. Josh.
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  Hello. I'm Used by that statement and
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  and my monk homie. Number two Isaiah so.
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  Okay. Now it you said Mercy monk.
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  Did you mean as in the school, the subclass or was that another
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  reference to Percy Jackson? Except you change the p and
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  Percy with an M? Yes, Sam is still entrenched in
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  the Wormhole of nergal or whatever.
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  We're calling it. The Wars, the war.
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  It's not that hard man. Now, I'm just gonna keep messing
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  up, 40K stuff, it slightly easier to say than what you made
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  a fucking also know, trapped in, he's trapped in the bonsai.
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  Tree of chaos, nergal is only one chaos team.
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  Mmm, it's not like the only one. There's like a bazillion of
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  them, although the Horus heresy, you don't think about that one.
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  Basic anyway, what I want to know about is, what did you
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  mean? You're trying to come up with
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  something to annoy me, I don't know.
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  I just always like to annoy, so I just figured I'm like, I mean
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  come up with interest. I could say I could sing my
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  mother cover. A secret to tell you a secret
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  bet. You don't need to come up with
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  something to annoy me. You always do it.
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  Naturally, nice, I'm doing. I'm willing to think about it.
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  All I do is Charlie Sheen and who's in but they viewers
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  listeners. What?
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  Charlie Sheen. What?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah, winning. That's where that term comes
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  from. Oh, oh, you're talking about
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  what he got down. I'm talking to space-time this
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  reference off the cliff, right? I like that.
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  And he wasn't today is another fine example of the handbook.
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  Shit, not classical. Fuck, I'm so sorry.
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  I actually, I actually legitimately brain farted.
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  Josh. I'm so sorry.
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  You were correct the five-time how it was the first.
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  All right, so now their class talk, we're gonna do you suppose
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  Just fucking give up. No never Matt Matt yeah just in
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  your brain just replace the word player in player's handbook.
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  That's all you have to do. I keep wanting to saying like at
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  the the critical role thing, the handbook or helper for some
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  reason I don't know why like it keeps that in my brains like no
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  don't say that. No, it's not actual handbook and
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  then I can y'all just I don't understand the hill.
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  I don't know. I don't know either.
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  Okay my mind is an enigma even I can't satisfy machinations of my
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  mind are running correct. But uh yeah but everybody you
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  know the deal unfortunately it is what we have are questions
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  that I'm going to Bumble through somehow and you know you rate
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  the class we ask we played we pick our quintessential person
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  of Said class and we talked about, you know, our favorite
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  subclasses and we're talkin talking mostly 5e.
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  But you know, we, you know, divulging Branch off into other
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  games. Matt, I'm assuming the monk is
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  like a other thing, another other games, right?
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  Right. Yeah, this is just me mr. 5e
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  lives in nothing, but a met talking about other games, this
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  explicitly not the point when we're doing these because these
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  are only about 5 e and as I helped, I think you should just
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  like grab onto. What and just go on for the
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  ride? Now, the question is, can we can
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  we set a record? Can we actually get to the meat
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  and potatoes of these episodes without it going an hour of
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  another only been like five minutes.
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  I mean, I could probably ramble on for another five minutes,
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  remarks man. But we got it, we got 54 minutes
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  to get to the meat and potatoes. What's the future on me?
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  And it's like, are you done being stupid?
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  It's like, I have more about, hold on, that's our secret.
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  There is no meat potatoes. It's all just Potatoes I guess I
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  don't know. Carbo loading.
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  Yeah, there is no secret meat potatoes.
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  There's no there's no goal that's secret before before we
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  get onto our actual questions just what do you guys your
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  general opinions are of the month because I personally like
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  the class but yeah I don't want to hear.
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  I want to hear from you guys wanna hear from my boys?
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  Mangas the disappointing stepchild that tries.
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  It's fucking hardest. I refuse to answer the question.
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  Mmm, good talk. Good talk good.
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  You're gonna find out my answer as we discuss as we discuss.
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  Okay. I guess.
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  Do you want me to go first? Or do you want to you guys want
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  to go first with the how would you rate the class from numbers
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  1 through 5 C, right? Matt, let's see here.
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  All right here. Your special boy us not to be On
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  this, I actually think the class is as, as I know the, a lot of
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  there are a lot of issues with the class but I do overall,
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  like, the class as a whole and I'm going to, I'm going to give
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  it a four. That might be a little high, but
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  honestly, it probably would deserve a three.
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  But I'm gonna give a for just because I like the flavor of the
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  class. Most this is probably one of the
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  only classes and 5e that I legitimately like every sub
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  class. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. Right.
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  I like them. Are they all good?
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  Hmm. But I do like a lot of the sub
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  classes where it's like hold on hold on hold on.
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  Do you like the idea of the subclasses that what it is
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  because I feel like I like my cool ideas bad executions.
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  Yes. A lot of an especially when we
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  get to the four elements monk that's going to be the biggest
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  one. But yeah, I like the flavor of a
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  lot of the subclasses and the Mechanics for about I'd say
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  about, I'd say over half of them are actually pretty cool.
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  But then you have some of the ones that are extremely
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  disappointing or just kind of weird like like long death is,
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  is a cool idea but mechanic wise execution-wise.
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  God. The fuck is long death.
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  A long does it came out in court?
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  Comes Adventures guy for Ghost Adventures guide.
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  Yeah. Crap.
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  Okay, so here's the thing. All right, I'm against this.
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  What fucking? I'm just gonna say it now.
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  Okay. Long death has one of the better
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  ability, like better builds in my opinion for monk because it's
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  level 3 ability is a permanent always on, always works and no
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  charge limit. And you know, Mark is one of the
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  currency classes, right? You got to pay for all your
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  shit, you know? I usually like currency classes
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  but I just like it sometimes when you're shit just works.
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  You look at and go every time this procs, it's going to work
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  dash defeats. Wait, the point of what will the
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  point of having a currency class?
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  Is that I get to spend my currency to do something cooler
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  and more? Oppressive than everyone else
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  gets to do for free because I'm spending a resource.
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  Yeah. If you give the currency class
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  inability, that's free, it defeats the entire core design
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  of the class. Here's the thing that right.
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  The currency is key points, and there's not enough of them.
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  So I prefer to have some things that are just free, be separate.
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  No, no. See, this is the problem, though
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  is a, you're missing the forest for the trees here.
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  The key points, not being enough, is a separate issue, the
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  design should be focused around the currency, the That the
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  currency is poorly designed, as this is a different thing and if
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  the currency wasn't poorly designed it wouldn't be a
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  problem. So you can say, well, I like the
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  monk, having free stuff, because the way key points work right
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  now is bad. But you have to think about it.
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  What if key points didn't work for Italy?
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  Because when they're making from right, that's what I'm saying,
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  when they're making the subclasses in their mind, the
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  base system does work. So they're making it with the
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  internal assumption, that it's make sense.
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  So the fact that they are making an internal and sumption that
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  the currency on the currency class makes sense.
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  And then ignoring the currency on the Currency class is
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  incredibly weird and dumb design.
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  Then it with also most of the sub classes for the monk when
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  you hit the level 3 back ability, usually has some to
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  have some kind of new effect when you spend key.
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  Yeah or um, sure. What's the harm strikes?
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  What's the third language arts? Yeah, Sharky your key area blows
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  patient defense. Step 1, when you use.
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  Yeah, so basing inability That is the monks primary ability,
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  not around the thing that the monk is supposed to do is bad
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  design on a, on a purely theoretical.
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  Yes, I would agree. But practically with given what
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  we have. It's great.
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  Sure. I guess if you're looking at is
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  a Band-Aid for the problem, it's a okay Band-Aid.
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  But that doesn't make me excited about the ability that just
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  makes me. Look at it and go, ah, a
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  Band-Aid sometimes been day's work, right?
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  No, they don't a surprise. Um, that's why it's Band-Aid
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  because they don't always work. You have to have to fix the
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  problem under the Band-Aid. Yeah, well they are good.
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  Just that's a 1D but it's nuts. So for the five plus years, that
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  sarcos Ventures guys have been out, great.
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  And plus with, I mean, honestly with a lot of the stuff they
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  added in Tasha's, they did help features of the monk.
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  It's a dedicated weapon. I also many people who play Monk
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  and they're like, yes, finally. It's not even that talking to my
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  great sword, I'm reading that touch of death is not even that
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  cool. Ya gain.
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  You got 10, HP and killing to do basically.
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  Yeah, that's why I it's not amazing but it's consistent.
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  I like that. Oh you can be the monk who's
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  like higher levels. Taking out all the goons and
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  you're like, all right, I'm just gonna constantly keep like right
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  but that's not supposed to be there.
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  Thick like it just doesn't make any sense.
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  It's like, well, it's consistent.
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  It's like yeah. But if you want consistency, you
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  play a different class. That's the whole point.
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  Why not boss working on those doors?
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  Because his bad design and whose mm.
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  It's fine. They do it.
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  By the way, the Monk Is Not. The Only One guilty of this
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  bullshit. Other classes do that, and don't
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  any who's, and beam at. This is on topping off my dish.
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  Other classes do this bullshit to where they're like ah this
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  subclass fixes the shortcoming of the class it's like but
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  that's not good design. You're just you're just going
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  around this. You're like oh this class is fun
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  now because it fix the shortcoming.
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  It's like well no you should should fix the foundation.
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  You can't just You're just building a third floor, shitty
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  Foundation, like I get what you're saying, I do.
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  I understand you're saying, like, in an ideal world where we
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  could just get like full like revamp.
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  A-Rod has that just change whole classes you know and in
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  something less than 1 D and he's nuts.
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  I agree completely 100%. Yeah.
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  I mean technically nothing's stopping them but that's a I
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  mean like you know why they call it if it's what's stopping them.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I get why the don't but like so it like A small like practical
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  fix that makes the like at least that subclass or maybe a little
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  bit more enjoyable because you have some good consistency and
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  that's fine. I don't like it.
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  I don't like the, I don't like band any.
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  I think you should anytime you're trying to analyze the
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  design? Is any part of a game you should
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  analyze, what is its intended purpose?
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  And how is it supposed to work and how would it assuming
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  everything works? Well, what's it supposed to do?
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  and it seems, it's just like, Because then you get in the
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  situation especially because then you can get the situation
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  where everyone's like, oh I don't play monk but I'll play
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  this one. Subclass of Monk.
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  It's like, but it's like, but it's like kind of so you're
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  like, I don't, I don't know. It's just weird to like halfsies
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  it, you're like well, kinda play monk but only if I get this one
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  options like then why even bother just play somebody else
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  at that point? He's like the way I look at it
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  as if it's consistency of abilities is what she want and
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  play like Palin or fighter know in the in the 5e specific topic,
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  you know like play something else I suppose but you could
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  make the easy argument of people just like like I don't like monk
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  because I don't like all the currency but there's this one
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  month that doesn't have a currency.
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  So I like that. And I mean that's still have
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  that's all right, but as life that get someone to like Excited
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  enough to play the class adding, that's a net positive.
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  Mmm. Yeah, I don't think that's an
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  A+. Fair enough that's death.
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  Feels like lazy from a from a, from a designer standpoint, when
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  the people in the office as it were, that feels like a lazy
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  design fix. I mean, it might be.
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  But here's the question, how would you fix it other than
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  being like, okay, here's a sage advice.
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  Compendium that redoes the entire class as let's.
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  Let's be real. That's just not practical.
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  No, I mean, yeah. In terms of redoing the entire
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  class, that's an, if your problem at all.
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  I'm not 100% sure what you, I mean, it's not impossible to put
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  out like It's not about going to run it for subclasses like that.
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  I kind of agreed that can be doable and not even a rata for
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  some classes, you could hypothetically make a revised
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  monk, the way that they did revise Ranger and then put it
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  out as an official like mini book or like a PDF.
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  Maybe if you want to save some money and you'll us print
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  anything, you just make it a PDF, it's like this is the
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  revised monk. You can play the old monk or you
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  could play revised monk. It's up to you.
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  You know, I think Something wrong with that idea, know I
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  don't the right there, isn't anything wrong thing.
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  I just prayed of it though because they I was astounded
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  that they did it with Ranger in the first place.
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  Well, it was on Earth or Khanna and it never went anywhere.
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  Well, you know, not not in the long run but the fact that they
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  made one, even if it is on Arc Unearthed Arcana, the fact that
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  they did it. Yeah.
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  It at all. I because I had been like no I'm
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  like Rangers just fucked. It's just going to be what it is
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  and then they were like, oh don't worry, we're trying this
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  out and I went It. Oh shit, we're great.
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  We're trying it out but in an incredibly, half-ass fashion to
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  the point where we might, as well, not be trying it out like,
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  no, I don't think I like this, a lot.
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  What happens? Is it just just Fades away Into
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  Obscurity and people forget about it and people move on and
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  comes like a half-assed little like, yeah, we kind of did
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  something. I don't remember what the
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  reasoning was behind them. Not pushing it Forward, rather
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  than get enough people play tennis.
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  Testing it or people thought it was too strong or too different
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  from the original plans for the light of doing what Isaiah said
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  and A-Rod at it, like making essentially an Errata for an
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  entire class. I think they're just afraid to
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  do that. I think that's a pretty fair for
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  you though. I think there's a player's hand
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  books so many times that I'm a, they might be afraid to be like,
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  all right, in the 12th reprint of the player's handbook, now it
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  has the new ranger in it. That's why it's all doable, put
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  it in for like and a half. They will.
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  If they don't know about the P like there's an online pdf for
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  free, you can get that Rod as the whole class like well that's
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  why I'm saying, you don't put it in like the player's handbook,
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  that's why I'm saying it would be its own release of some kind.
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  You know, because I think there's ways that you could do
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  it that would be acceptable and that wouldn't like drive people
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  that crazy think it's adoption. Obviously, they didn't want to,
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  but I think they could obviously their train of thought at some
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  point along the road. Although I don't know if this is
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  the probably wasn't their train of thought during the revised
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  Ranger situation because that was a while ago.
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  But at some point in there, along the, you know, along the
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  road they're like, oh well, what if we just take a look at the
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  whole game and that's so that's what they're doing now.
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  So that was what they landed on, but I don't know.
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  I don't think it would have been too crazy to like, Revised
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  classes along the way, I will say there is a little bit of a
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  slippery slippery slope problem because if you start provide, if
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  you revise one or two classes, people may start demanding
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  officials of every class and Pie.
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  Yep, that's its own issue. You have to kind of in that
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  scenario. You have to do the thing that a
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  lot of video game designers, talk about where you listen to
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  the feedback. You absorb it and you ignore
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  most of it, you know. Yeah, the like that like the
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  creators of Pokemon ignoring their fan base when the like I
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  want a game where you only can capture legendaries and they're
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  like, all right and they just really laugh about it all the
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  time because a lot of the time fans don't like players.
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  Don't actually know what they want.
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  They think they know what they want, but what they don't
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  understand is they're not game designers.
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  They don't understand a lot of the psychology that goes into
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  game design. So if you started just revamping
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  every single class that could get out of hand, but That's why
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  as the designers you have to go, okay.
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  We need to know where we need to put the brakes on the situation
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  and you know, maybe they look at Monk and say monkeys fine.
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  They may they may think that, I don't know, I don't think so but
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  they could. Yeah, I mean, to be honest, the
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  problems I have with hunk are so minor and I actually do it
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  again. Like I gave the class of for
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  like I really like it, but the internet apparently within the
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  last, like, two years they went from being like, The Rangers the
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  worst class in D&D to know, it's actually the Monk and it all
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  started when that survey came out about the player, handbook
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  classes, and every single one of them, and all of a sudden, all
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  the DND Reddit, all like people on YouTube, just started
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  shitting on the Monk. And being like, the monk is the
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  worst class in the game. Give me armor with my monks.
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  Let my monkeys a shield, make his AC 24, give them a d-17 hit
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  Dice and it's like wait a minute, what the fuck?
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  Yes, I give me 20, hit 20 key. It's a level one.
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  It's like all right guys. All right, we got to slow the
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  brakes here real quick. Hold on.
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  I mean the problem that the problem will have with monk do
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  is always from a very munchkin e by the Numbers angle and I just
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  quite frankly don't give a shit about that discussion.
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  Yeah because the like the monk isn't supposed to be the damage
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  dealer you can do that but they're really.
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  Yeah, I think The Punchy guy who punched a lot.
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  What else are they supposed to be other than a still there?
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  So no. They can there they can hit I
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  think the monk is supposed to be the I can hit a lot.
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  I don't have to do a lot of damage but I have to get my
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  effects off by hitting you they can hit and that's why I like
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  they're there to hit bonuses and all that stuff.
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  I think should be better like as they get up higher level.
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  But their main thing isn't, I hit you?
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  And I do a million damage unless you're like open palm of the
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  hand monk, they're supposed to be.
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  I hit you and then an effect happens and that effect is from
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  my sub class. Whether it's merci, mon Way of
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  Shadow, like, whatever. I would never send it.
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  Yeah, I would like that certain meat.
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  I would agree with that if 5e were different like, I
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  understand. Yeah.
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  The from a like from designing, in a vacuum standpoint, your
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  idea is sound in that. The point of the Monk Is to hit,
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  like get a bunch of hits in and then cause shit to happen.
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  Via the hits like that logic. I follow.
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  The problem is that 5e is afraid of like Buffs and debuffs and
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  stuff. Like that.
• 20:58
  So there's not really that many things.
• 20:59
  They let them do with those hits, you know, they let them do
• 21:03
  like a thing and sometimes that thing just doesn't work.
• 21:07
  So it's like if IV were designed in such a fashion where like, on
• 21:11
  hit effects were more common, Allah kind of a video game
• 21:15
  system. I would say that would make
• 21:17
  sense, but because that's not really a thing doesn't quite
• 21:21
  work. I guess like I follow you but it
• 21:24
  doesn't pan out that way, I see what you're saying.
• 21:27
  I what I was going to say is monk is sort of the opposite
• 21:32
  side of the same coin. That is fighter, right?
• 21:34
  Like I consider fighter a DPS controller, where I consider
• 21:37
  monk a controller DPS, you know, like Fighters a little bit is
• 21:41
  sort of more based on doing damage.
• 21:43
  Getting big hits in verse monk. I feel is more of a chip away at
• 21:48
  health and then I have effects based on my punches, it don't
• 21:51
  have money. Effects though.
• 21:52
  That's the thing. I don't really have that many
• 21:55
  effects. Yeah.
• 21:56
  Like what here? Let's read one other than the
• 22:00
  fucking stunning strike, which obviously?
• 22:03
  Well, Dad would like, what else? Let's see.
• 22:06
  Drunken Master technique. When you use your Flurry of
• 22:09
  Blows, whenever you use this feature, you gain the benefit of
• 22:11
  the disengage action and your walking speed increases by 10
• 22:14
  feet. It's basically, I hit you a
• 22:16
  bunch of times and then I step away from you or something like
• 22:22
  Something like open Palm technique where it's like when
• 22:25
  they hit you with their Flurry of Blows, you can choose to
• 22:27
  either have them make a deck saver, get knocked prone, make a
• 22:31
  strength saver, be pushed 15 feet from you or they can't use
• 22:34
  reactions and then you can just walk away like a drunken monkey
• 22:36
  so it's it's like that's that's why.
• 22:38
  I mean it doesn't have to be early Mercy monk I think has
• 22:42
  something where it's they hit you and they have their special
• 22:46
  that you have their special like healing or hurting punch so that
• 22:50
  one is strictly like damn. Image.
• 22:52
  But a Sunday, he key point you spend one key point and do an
• 22:56
  extra necrotic damage, equal to your Marsh Rod Dy plus wisdom
• 22:59
  like that one's fine. Like okay, so that worries
• 23:01
  subclass has one. Well, you're also you're
• 23:04
  forgetting. I'm looking at just the third
• 23:05
  level, like, like when they first get, I'm sorry, I think
• 23:09
  the third level tends to be the only one that gives them any
• 23:11
  kind of ability like that. Well, based on time or not, not
• 23:15
  only do, they have stunning strike, they also have focused
• 23:17
  aim, which procs, if you miss an attack.
• 23:18
  So there is that as well. That's a little more of an
• 23:20
  aspect of the route. Out and in Dragon it has the
• 23:31
  Charisma check Christmas Eve thing.
• 23:35
  Yeah they all have like one, she's fine.
• 23:38
  That's just like most things in 5e like oh this is this classes
• 23:44
  identity. How is this their identity while
• 23:46
  they have one ability that confirms that identity?
• 23:49
  There's one? Yep, just one.
• 23:52
  Okay, well it's not zero I guess.
• 23:57
  I mean, does that shit A lot of? It depends on what you mean by
• 24:00
  that because like, open Palm monk has a couple of things
• 24:03
  where it's like, you know, again the third level ability was a
• 24:06
  subclass then the 17th see, the third one.
• 24:11
  Yeah. Then the 17th of all the
• 24:12
  quivering Palm the fucking maker.
• 24:16
  I think it's a con saver. Take like a hundred damage or
• 24:18
  some shit. This is fucking fun.
• 24:20
  It's so damage though. Yeah, but that's flavorful and
• 24:23
  at that high level like that's a cool thing to be like I An hit
• 24:27
  you you know the Five Finger Death Punch like you know, palm
• 24:30
  of death like that thing. No.
• 24:32
  Yeah, it's a fun except I'm not saying it's not a fun ability.
• 24:35
  I'm just saying in regards to what you were talking about,
• 24:37
  Matt where their stick is supposed to be like I hit you
• 24:40
  and then cause status effects to happen.
• 24:42
  That's not a sad fact. That's was damaged.
• 24:44
  Well known and well then there's also like if you look at the
• 24:48
  goddamn girl, look at the elements monk like their thing
• 24:50
  is they have a bunch of stuff where it's like when you make
• 24:52
  the attack action, you spend a key point and then you can do
• 24:55
  stuff most of the stuff does. Thing and does damage the like,
• 24:59
  you know, you can increase your speed by 10 feet as an action.
• 25:03
  When you hit someone, it does fire instead of bludgeoning
• 25:05
  damage. If you spend another key point,
• 25:07
  it deals extra fire damage. This one where you spend a key
• 25:12
  point and where's this? You blast are at somebody like
• 25:18
  an airbender. You spend two key point and then
• 25:20
  they have to make a save or take you'll get slammed to a wall
• 25:24
  like like there are there are a bunch of.
• 25:27
  So it's the problem is there's you know, you have to you have
• 25:29
  to look at a lot of their subclasses and like look at each
• 25:33
  one cuz ya not every single one of them gives like there's a
• 25:37
  bunch but they definitely do especially with the monk.
• 25:39
  Give more than two that do some sort of other effect granted.
• 25:42
  Yeah, a lot of them are they deal damage?
• 25:45
  Image and then do something else.
• 25:46
  And I would like it to be more than something else, like, the
• 25:50
  Cobalt press it guard stuff like a lot of the weapons stuff.
• 25:54
  I wish the monk had like a lot of those.
• 25:57
  Yeah. If the monkey thing kind of
• 25:58
  stuff I would say I you are on the like you are correct in that
• 26:02
  what the design idea was the most of his something, some sort
• 26:06
  of effect and damage your just damage like that or or the
• 26:10
  effects are very like minor. Like additional attack or
• 26:15
  whatever, it's just the thing, it's just this thing that 5e
• 26:18
  does it and it's you can see in so many classes.
• 26:21
  It's like, oh Bart is the support guy.
• 26:25
  How is barred to support guy bar?
• 26:26
  Gets Bartok inspiration. Okay, what else do they get?
• 26:29
  They get, bargain is a bargain, I like a bunch of healing spells
• 26:33
  they get song. Express else, disregard spells
• 26:35
  were talking about class abilities because special, kind
• 26:38
  of casting not what? No spell casting is part of the
• 26:40
  bar there. There a Caster.
• 26:42
  I know. But the thing about Spells is
• 26:43
  like everyone gets them so they're a little bit.
• 26:45
  You can try so attributes. You want tells to Identity as
• 26:49
  much like they're a factor but they're not as weighted as
• 26:52
  heavily because so many people get actually.
• 26:54
  Everyone gets spell-casting in some regard on some subclass
• 26:57
  level. What I'm saying is like It's
• 27:01
  this thing where they're like, this is the identity of this
• 27:04
  because this class but we don't want to give them too many
• 27:08
  different things that that's like leaning into harder.
• 27:12
  I don't know why they don't do it, but they don't give him too
• 27:13
  many things. So, you end up with Bart's the
• 27:16
  support class. We gave them one supportability,
• 27:18
  that's fine. I guess you could kind of argue
• 27:21
  song arrest. But that's between that's not
• 27:23
  like during a fight or during the action.
• 27:25
  So it's not 100%. No, I would count that I cuz I
• 27:29
  think Bart is a, a bad example. Because you have our expiration,
• 27:32
  you have jack of all trades, which is technically a support
• 27:34
  trait. If you, if someone has told my
• 27:36
  wife, it's the bar as a shit ton of not wild monkey.
• 27:39
  Yeah, being a skill monkey is a support person.
• 27:43
  That's stretching the definition of my eyes.
• 27:45
  I don't think so much support. Person is, should be able to
• 27:48
  directly assist. Everybody else was some kind of
• 27:52
  ability, you know, if you're playing a support class, if
• 27:54
  you're playing a MOBA and your classes to support, you should
• 27:57
  have a stun or a crowd control a slow, Whoa, an ability to that
• 28:01
  moves, the enemy around something to make those on your
• 28:04
  ability easier to kill. Yeah, that's what the spouse
• 28:07
  makeup, okay. But the monk doesn't have
• 28:09
  spells. I know that's why I despaired
• 28:12
  like the monk gets like they get stunning strike for that.
• 28:14
  One thing they get their sub class abilities that give them,
• 28:17
  you know, some features to do with spending key on or like,
• 28:20
  wave way of Shadow monk. They literally just gets like
• 28:23
  spells and, you know, eventually it's six levels, they get to
• 28:26
  teleport, which is nuts. And main thing, you're supposed
• 28:30
  to do is like all right, I spend key point the cast darkness and
• 28:33
  then I just teleport in and out, punching the shit out of people.
• 28:36
  While in darkness, you know, just feels like a lot of, a lot
• 28:39
  of after baked shit. Noah's life is actually great
• 28:44
  that statement. I think it does have some pretty
• 28:45
  good. I've said it multiple times, and
• 28:47
  I guess, shut down every time so I'm aware.
• 28:49
  You get. That sound.
• 28:51
  Is you just don't agree. Well, I just, I don't know.
• 28:55
  Hey, happy being in my Frosted Flakes.
• 28:57
  Trash. I'm not, I'm just I just get
• 29:00
  annoying. I just get annoyed at the game
• 29:02
  that they like are afraid to give classes like really, really
• 29:07
  strong identity in a lot of regards.
• 29:10
  Well, I think when those are the One D and D, you know, playtest
• 29:14
  packet, comes out the next one because I specifically said the
• 29:17
  next one is going to be Warriors.
• 29:19
  Yeah. So I'm very much looking forward
• 29:21
  to seeing Monk and Like, I don't know if you guys I'll say it now
• 29:26
  just before we, you know, go on to like what you guys, you know,
• 29:30
  right? The class, but basically, like,
• 29:32
  like my simple, simple, dumb fix for the monk easily.
• 29:36
  Just like if I'm an extra key point, when they level up, they
• 29:40
  get two instead of one like, give him a bigger.
• 29:43
  Hit the ice because they're supposed to be up front like the
• 29:46
  fighter, like, the Barbarian and just don't have their fucking
• 29:49
  hit. Their martial art that I start
• 29:52
  the Ade 6. Gino have it started to D6,
• 29:56
  don't have it start as a D4, I would say give them better AC
• 30:00
  but the flavor. Yeah, it makes more sense to me
• 30:03
  that the monk is better at dodging rather than getting
• 30:05
  better at getting punched in the face.
• 30:08
  What would that one thing be that or would you rather them
• 30:12
  have some sort of dodging like mechanic thing?
• 30:15
  Belton is like most of the time. And again, like people putting
• 30:20
  were like, yeah, I wish one like they're AC was crazy.
• 30:23
  A high or something. Like, I think having better AC
• 30:27
  would fix that, or would you rather be like some sort of
• 30:30
  Dodge mechanic? Kind of like what's the ability
• 30:33
  they can catch Arrows with yeah? Like deflect deflect missiles.
• 30:37
  That would be a fun idea. I'd be a little worried about
• 30:42
  the execution I think giving bumping their AC is much easier
• 30:45
  to do. But you could, you know, You
• 30:50
  yeah you could go with the like it would it be fun to have an
• 30:53
  ability? That's like dodging Dornoch
• 30:56
  punches out of the way? Could be?
• 30:59
  Yeah. Well what I would be concerned
• 31:04
  about how they might go about. That is like if it's based on
• 31:07
  your decks and your wisdom as a monk, like, get that, you know,
• 31:13
  up to what if you want any money.
• 31:17
  So the man and then if you get bracers of And so, whatever, you
• 31:20
  know, you could, so you can get your AC 220, potentially not
• 31:26
  easy, but you could. But like the main thing is, I
• 31:29
  think it'd be. You could just probably just
• 31:33
  bunt bump, the calculation a little bit because they're the
• 31:35
  currently, it's 10. + 'd x + wisdom.
• 31:39
  You could make it 12 plus 2X plus wisdom.
• 31:42
  Then yeah. Something like the natural armor
• 31:43
  like lizard folk and locks it ons.
• 31:45
  Get yeah, yeah. Now, I agree.
• 31:48
  Especially cuz want from a day for me, At the beginning, your
• 31:55
  AC wouldn't really be that high anyway because how often are you
• 31:58
  going to have like level one characters with plus fives and
• 32:00
  both those stats? Probably not right.
• 32:03
  Hey Kool-Aid but it's unlikely. I'm sorry guys.
• 32:09
  I was there. I was using my hotfix for monk
• 32:12
  is just the more consistency. Like give them more attacks or
• 32:18
  key points and yeah, I'd say maybe the D6 options pretty
• 32:23
  good. Yeah, that's for me.
• 32:26
  That's my hot. Fix this goes back to the this
• 32:28
  goes back to the problem of what do they want monks identity to
• 32:31
  be? Because you have to decide that
• 32:35
  first know like because that's the problem with throwing out
• 32:40
  hotfixes, you can hotfix all sorts of ideas but the hotfix is
• 32:43
  going to be your idea of what you want the class to be.
• 32:46
  But the fact is Wizards actually want the class to be like, oh,
• 32:49
  it's not supposed to be the damage dealer.
• 32:51
  Oh, it is supposed to, be the damage dealer, they're not
• 32:53
  supposed to be tanky know, they should be tell, you know,
• 32:55
  everyone's debating think that guy's points, Wizards needs to
• 32:58
  decide, and then go from there. I think we're Tasha's because
• 33:02
  like, what, like the Last three subclasses.
• 33:05
  We got weird. Was the astral self, the mercy,
• 33:08
  Monk. And then with visits we got the
• 33:12
  ascendant Dragon. It a lot of those, those three
• 33:15
  specifically they do more damage than some of the other sub
• 33:18
  classes especially if you're looking at like astral self,
• 33:21
  he's just like I'm just gonna attack forever.
• 33:23
  Like I could do 16 attacks, I'm fucking not anymore.
• 33:27
  No, not anymore. No, that's they.
• 33:29
  So they took that out when it when it left you a string around
• 33:33
  that. Yeah, I know it's a dragon.
• 33:35
  The change to yeah to because because to me, right, like, I
• 33:39
  still, I stand by what I say, right, like a monk should have
• 33:42
  more control over the battlefield and still do damage.
• 33:46
  And I do think part of having control over the battlefield is
• 33:49
  being consistent. So if by that definition, you
• 33:53
  being a perfect little sentry gun that stands in the middle of
• 33:57
  the fight and just tap tap tap tap, tap everything that's near
• 33:59
  you. We're just consistent, not
• 34:02
  insane damage but assistant like 10 to 12 damage around and
• 34:06
  that's just your thing. And on top of that, you can do
• 34:08
  extra stuff to me, that's perfect.
• 34:12
  I feel like you're asking for too much.
• 34:14
  I don't think I am honestly because they definitely got some
• 34:17
  point had the same idea that I did, especially with a shoot
• 34:19
  with astral self. Hey, yeah, but the idea of
• 34:22
  having, really good control end damage is a little, probably
• 34:25
  gonna, it's just gonna outshine, a lot of other classes would be
• 34:28
  my thought. I don't think it will to be H.
• 34:31
  I don't like, even even at High Highest level.
• 34:34
  When you have a d, what is it? A d-10 at level 16 or 17?
• 34:39
  Sorry and old astral self at the you could attack up to six
• 34:43
  times. 6010, yeah, but that's nothing compared to what Wizards
• 34:49
  or Sorcerers are throwing out. You're talking about, you're
• 34:51
  bumping their damage. No more than just making a D4
• 34:57
  D6. I mean, but you're saying, you
• 35:02
  want them to be good at damage. I want them to be a little more
• 35:06
  consistent with damage. That's about it.
• 35:08
  I think D6 is a good consistent die.
• 35:10
  Well, consistent equals better. Well it's like so again, so they
• 35:14
  don't get a D6 until Level 5 which by then they're going to
• 35:18
  get their extra attack. But still those first four
• 35:21
  levels that having a D4. Well, I mean I'm not talking
• 35:25
  which is weaker than a dagger like that kind of sucks.
• 35:27
  Well, I'm not talking about just those first four levels.
• 35:29
  I'm just saying what Isaiah said is he, you wants them to have
• 35:33
  more consistent damage and I'm thinking about across the board
• 35:36
  from Level 1 to 20, but get more consistent damage means better
• 35:40
  damage and better damage means you're going to be doing more
• 35:46
  and if they're both really consistent and really good at
• 35:51
  control, then you can could potentially risk.
• 35:54
  The problem of like outshining other classes, which is really
• 35:57
  where balance matters. I see what you're saying, but I
• 36:00
  don't think it would be as big as is. the example is
• 36:05
  potentially hinting at maybe not.
• 36:11
  Well because if you think about it, right?
• 36:13
  You're you're just not doing even if you you can max out at
• 36:17
  six attacks at level 20, you're just not doing as much damage as
• 36:23
  a fighter on average. There's all of this stuff with
• 36:27
  monk is like all you do one, extra die on one attack.
• 36:30
  I'm not sure. That's your wisdom modifier on
• 36:33
  one attack. One hit one, this one that.
• 36:35
  Well if you're doing fighter 6010 in the Fighters doing or d,
• 36:40
  Ted what's often for D 10. Plus this, plus that plus this
• 36:46
  plus creating all the monkeys. If you were actually, the monk
• 36:50
  is more likely to quit. There's more attacks.
• 36:54
  So statistically start getting you start getting into weird
• 36:57
  numbers especially if you're doing stuff like Champion where
• 36:59
  it's like you create on an 18. Yeah you have six attacks but
• 37:03
  your overall chances are still lower than you know.
• 37:06
  Again it's a I don't know the math.
• 37:11
  Well enough to comment on that particular part of it.
• 37:14
  But I don't think that it doesn't seem like I've at higher
• 37:20
  level. I don't think their damage is
• 37:22
  lacking that hard lower level. I think so yellow level, you
• 37:26
  know, I agree I think higher level like and now they're
• 37:29
  they'll be fine. And again they're going to hit
• 37:30
  for they're going to hit more often higher levels and more
• 37:34
  time because they have more chances.
• 37:36
  I mean I don't I don't look into the math that hard anyway.
• 37:41
  So I say I am not fun could be missing.
• 37:46
  But if they have a consistent six attacks, 6010 versus a
• 37:52
  fighter with a longsword before D 10, granted, there's magic
• 37:55
  items and shit, but let's assume we don't was not a think about
• 37:58
  those for the moment. It's like, yeah, I don't know,
• 38:02
  they're probably. All right.
• 38:05
  I think I think classes work best when you pick a strong
• 38:10
  theme and you lean hard into the theme.
• 38:12
  So if we want monk to be contrôlée guy, then really lean
• 38:15
  into monk being controlling guy. So every time they get a hit
• 38:19
  they get to do some wacky. Woo.
• 38:20
  Hooo shit. You know if you know or if you
• 38:24
  do want long to be damaged a guy, then think about, you know,
• 38:28
  then monks damage you guy could be, I get when I have my ammo I
• 38:33
  get to be damaged a guy. And when I don't I'm not so much
• 38:36
  which is essentially how spellcasters were great like
• 38:39
  your damage. You guy will you have ammo and
• 38:40
  once you run out of ammo, not so much.
• 38:44
  But again it comes back to wizards deciding which I don't
• 38:49
  think they did, I think the price I think what they made
• 38:51
  monk, they weren't entirely sure what the fuck they wanted it to
• 38:55
  be, you know, I don't think they had a clear identity at first.
• 39:00
  I remember watching a video, I think it's from DM at all.
• 39:04
  I think he said the same thing. We're like the monks identity
• 39:07
  throughout all the 5e I think originally came out like second
• 39:09
  edition to like the monk is always been kind of in a weird
• 39:13
  spot your spot. Yeah.
• 39:14
  Yeah, it's always been a weird spot and identity reconcile
• 39:17
  because you're kind of a rogue but you kind of a fighter.
• 39:20
  Yeah. Yeah so that's why it's like
• 39:22
  that fine balancing act like what are you?
• 39:27
  This is always that problem though, right?
• 39:28
  MMO's have this problem all the time when the MMO starts and
• 39:32
  they have the initial lineup of classes, everyone's identity is
• 39:35
  very clear, then you add the second expansion and you add a
• 39:38
  couple of classes, maybe. And now it's like okay well we
• 39:40
  still kind of have a cool idea and then you start adding on and
• 39:43
  on and now we're like oh Don't actually know what we want.
• 39:45
  These like fifth expansion classes to be.
• 39:47
  I mean, 14 literally just had this problem, right?
• 39:50
  The, the new healer Sage comes out and they're like, yeah,
• 39:53
  we're gonna rework the Healer identities because before Sage
• 39:56
  they were a little ambiguous and now after Sage we're going to
• 39:59
  get really ambiguous. So we're just going to redo it
• 40:01
  from the ground up and that's that's kind of where Monk Is at.
• 40:05
  Where it's like, kind of ambiguous.
• 40:06
  What he's supposed to be. You can be think about fucking
• 40:10
  Summoner. Now, I'm sad because different
• 40:13
  from, that wasn't an identity crisis matter.
• 40:15
  They worked it from the ground up and I but I I think I'm
• 40:23
  mostly lean towards monks should be damaged guy, but they have to
• 40:26
  be a different kind of damage guy because Rogue is in many
• 40:29
  ways, damaged guy. I don't know how that different
• 40:32
  would be, but road damage guy. Yeah, I mean sometimes yeah,
• 40:37
  yeah, sneak attack is a very it is is that's their only damage
• 40:40
  thing is, but it is so consistent.
• 40:45
  It's also very It's also very like integral, yeah.
• 40:51
  Like if you take away sneak into, that's why the meme is
• 40:53
  funny, right? If you take away, sneak attack
• 40:55
  the fall apart. Yes, it's very badly.
• 40:58
  I think Howard. And you could like, for example,
• 41:00
  Paladin's another sort of damage guy you could take Divine Smite
• 41:03
  away and Paladin will still function.
• 41:05
  No. Yeah, you'll become more of a
• 41:07
  spellcaster. Yeah.
• 41:08
  They have a lot of shell, it would suck.
• 41:10
  But I mean it might not be as fun but it would still function
• 41:12
  whereas Rogue if you take they just don't function.
• 41:15
  Well, think about what the monk then like, You know the whole
• 41:20
  key thing knowledge just like key points but the ability of
• 41:24
  like y'all Flurry of Blows patient defense step of the wind
• 41:27
  like those three specific layer like that's the whole thing for
• 41:31
  the monk. Yeah been a key point and you
• 41:34
  get to do these extra things. These extra things that Rogue
• 41:38
  does for free. Yeah, well see that's the
• 41:42
  problem, right? Here's the that.
• 41:43
  Yeah, here's the thing. Is the, I understand why they
• 41:46
  did it. Like why they put a They put the
• 41:52
  currency counter on that one as opposed to Rogue.
• 41:55
  All those are your jump distance is doubled, get a little bit
• 41:58
  more but not that much more. Well, to me, the big one is
• 42:02
  Dodge the Dodge that Dodges strong powerful as shift, yes,
• 42:06
  as a bonus action. Yeah.
• 42:08
  And flurry blows also very because great, you know, one
• 42:11
  extra punch is all you need for that, that stunning strike to go
• 42:15
  off. And also, I think classes
• 42:16
  Build-Off Flurry of Blows specifically.
• 42:19
  Yeah. So I And why they did it the way
• 42:22
  they did. I think you should get more or
• 42:27
  it like for me. I think the Flurry of Blows
• 42:29
  should 100% scale. Yes.
• 42:32
  I guess you got another attack on top of that.
• 42:34
  You like yeah, it's like that same level argument is the
• 42:38
  martial arts dies how it scales would be the argument.
• 42:41
  You have the mantras? I know.
• 42:43
  It doesn't scale enough it really does.
• 42:45
  But no wait like it doesn't statistically.
• 42:48
  Well, next stop terms of course but it's not great.
• 42:50
  I think that's what Josh means. It's scales.
• 42:54
  It doesn't scale, amazing, but it does scale degree.
• 42:56
  That's why I'm saying start off with D6, then, you know, da the
• 43:00
  d-10 D12. And then I don't know what the
• 43:02
  fuck you do with the maximum like fix.
• 43:05
  No, I think that's a good idea actually.
• 43:07
  If they're damaged, I became to D6 because that would give them
• 43:10
  slightly more consistent average, it would.
• 43:12
  Yeah, a lot of people would look at that and get confused though
• 43:15
  because a lot of people don't think about it, that deep.
• 43:18
  So people would get yes now because it's like, why not?
• 43:20
  D12 and it's like, well, yeah mm Rod math is math is yeah, I
• 43:26
  think the thing with with martial arts or not martial
• 43:29
  arts, but key Spenders is like, you know, there's two very easy
• 43:36
  sort of game design camps here. If you're gonna give a class
• 43:41
  inability, and they don't have to spend a resource ability,
• 43:45
  can't be that good. You're going to give the class
• 43:47
  inability and they do spend a resource the abilities.
• 43:50
  Got to be better to be worth the resource, right?
• 43:54
  Pretty simple straightforward. If I'm spending something, it
• 43:57
  should be good if I'm not spending anything, it should be
• 44:01
  That's why cunning action is good but not like blow your
• 44:05
  fucking brains a broken. Patient defense makes sense
• 44:09
  because the Dodge action is pretty strong in 5e so that
• 44:12
  one's fine. Fury of blows is like, If e II
• 44:19
  waffle back on for theft, that one's Worth to keep on or not
• 44:22
  step of the wind is just kind of not.
• 44:26
  Like step in the one, should give you something else.
• 44:27
  I'd citadel's is situational. If you have to trust someone.
• 44:31
  If you're like Chris, the shadow monk in the three-year game used
• 44:35
  to love like he's like, Matt, I need big Maps.
• 44:38
  I need to be able to bonus action Dash, so I can get 100
• 44:41
  feet across the maps. Like a punch one guy and then
• 44:44
  run another 100 feet the opposite direction.
• 44:48
  Yeah, I think the idea was step in the wind is supposed to be
• 44:51
  the disengage part, is what makes it powerful, but there's
• 44:55
  not a lot of Reason, as a monk to like it and run, you know,
• 45:01
  like there's no impetus for you to hit and run.
• 45:03
  So the idea of disengage being useful, becomes kind of moot,
• 45:07
  because you couldn't build like the hit-and-run.
• 45:09
  Like I like I run in. I punch.
• 45:11
  I stunning strike them. I get that out of your way.
• 45:14
  Yeah, it's that's not help, but that's kind of, that kind of
• 45:18
  comes back to moving around, in general, in five years.
• 45:21
  Not always that. Well, incentivized a lot of the
• 45:23
  time or better which Bob moving. It's incentivize you.
• 45:26
  I think it does but it does that's an it that's to Intrinsic
• 45:30
  of a game issue. A single class, isn't really
• 45:32
  gonna know what they actually this to.
• 45:36
  This is sort of a subclass for a like, a subclass problem.
• 45:39
  I have with. Drunken Master pacifically
• 45:41
  drunken technique should not be a disengage.
• 45:43
  It should just be fucking Dodge. It should just be a Dutch like
• 45:47
  yeah. Yeah, because it also gives you
• 45:49
  the extra 10 feet, so you disengage and then and you can
• 45:52
  get even further away. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:55
  No reason to. Yeah that's the thing right?
• 45:57
  Yeah there's no reason to it also doesn't fit the theme of
• 46:01
  drunken master. Yeah like Duncan monks don't
• 46:04
  just walk away from the fight. The either fall over or sway
• 46:08
  back or like I think it's laying down the bottle.
• 46:12
  Yeah, that's why disengage that's a Dodge.
• 46:14
  You're literally dodging them. My my big brain by crackpot
• 46:20
  theory is that they gave them disengage because I didn't want
• 46:22
  to give them a Dodge. Yeah, they probably felt like
• 46:24
  Dodgers too much. Much but I think if I was gonna
• 46:28
  run someone who wanted to use Drunken Master, I'd just be like
• 46:30
  bro you can dodge I don't give a shit but under finger I mean you
• 46:34
  got to think about it you got to think about it this way.
• 46:37
  Drunken technique is when you activate Flurry of Blows so you
• 46:42
  are getting extra damage and the Dodge action so you're kind of
• 46:46
  just shitting on like Reckless attack for example, right?
• 46:51
  Reckless attack is, you know, it's I'm gonna have a bad time
• 46:55
  but I'm trading it for Advantage.
• 46:56
  This is I'm gonna I'm gonna have a good time and I get more
• 47:00
  damage and I mean I think they have different uses because to
• 47:05
  me, I've said this, I said this in the brain is Sumerian base,
• 47:09
  they do, but I think they have a different intrinsic purpose,
• 47:12
  which is Fucking Reckless attack is just as much as an advantage
• 47:19
  as it is a provoked, right? Like you Reckless someone
• 47:21
  because you're like, I'm the one who can take this damage and I'm
• 47:23
  going to be doing, you're only going to be doing half to me.
• 47:25
  So fuck it. It's not there, that's haunting.
• 47:27
  Yeah, yeah. Whereas drunken drunken
• 47:30
  technique is walk-in up up up. All right, I'm gonna go we've
• 47:33
  back out so I can go take care of these other guys over here
• 47:36
  with the edit with with the homies, you know what I mean?
• 47:38
  Yeah, like Drunken Master, seems like a hold on The Barbarians.
• 47:42
  Getting a shit rocked fucking wall.
• 47:44
  Rolls over pep and I slipped back into the fight.
• 47:46
  You know, are not just for that strong and yeah, Dodgers for
• 47:49
  disengage. Anyways, the thing because I
• 47:53
  think you could do that example, right?
• 47:55
  You could punch a dude. Disengage go over to where the
• 47:57
  Barbarian is punch. Another dude, you know, like
• 48:00
  moving it multiple targets. Yeah.
• 48:02
  You can still do that, and disengage does disengage, if
• 48:08
  you're fighting an opponent in melee and you disengage you can
• 48:12
  you are essentially it. You're getting out of the threat
• 48:15
  range, you are defending yourself in a fashion.
• 48:19
  You are what I'm saying is that, that was probably the idea that
• 48:22
  they had when they changed it. Like if they changed it from
• 48:26
  Dutch like that was the new reasoning why they made a
• 48:30
  disengage, right? That was hoping.
• 48:31
  Yeah, but the scenario they had envisioned, I think you should
• 48:40
  Resistance to physical, you know, when you're drunk, you
• 48:42
  don't really feel pain. So, like, I'm just out there.
• 48:45
  AC, I'll just bunk their AC by 2 after they use drunken
• 48:47
  technique. Right.
• 48:50
  Yeah, that's an act because that's not as strong as Dodge
• 48:52
  but it's within the same realm, which is weird because they hate
• 48:55
  shit like that. But then it's like Shield.
• 48:57
  That's like, all right well yeah, it's in the game might as
• 49:00
  well do it like, get it. You don't want to do it too
• 49:02
  much, but every once in a while it makes it easy, maybe like, it
• 49:04
  makes sense for that. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:06
  That whole thing, where they got, so, afraid of the floating
• 49:08
  modifier problem that they just threw the baby out.
• 49:11
  Real hard with that bath water, and then they threw another baby
• 49:13
  out and another baby out. Now, we just don't have floating
• 49:15
  wildfires anywhere except for those occasional other babies in
• 49:19
  the They're like shield for some reason and cover, which do it
• 49:22
  flowing modifiers, which it looks like they're going to get
• 49:24
  rid of thanks internet. I hate you.
• 49:26
  We just don't talk about the way.
• 49:27
  What they're not gonna get robbed.
• 49:29
  Probably probably Shield. Not a spell like all those
• 49:33
  spells that such crap you're probably not going to be a thing
• 49:36
  bullshit that's not happening or not.
• 49:39
  Like like for me, I feel like if you weren't really want to Nerf
• 49:42
  quote-unquote shield and just I don't know, fucking make it like
• 49:46
  make it not give you as much a C4 level or the number.
• 49:49
  Yeah, Yeah. And or if you want to keep it at
• 49:51
  5 and bump it to a second level spell like what the heck I'm
• 49:55
  getting rid of it this this idea that they're just like axing a
• 49:58
  ton of spells in the game is ridiculous.
• 50:00
  Yeah, now I think they're going to change are or Nerf it have
• 50:03
  like they might know if there's a lot like the monsters that
• 50:05
  don't have it. Now people are like, oh, it's
• 50:07
  gonna fucking Bernard, they're getting rid of counterspell.
• 50:10
  Do people go down some serious fucking Charlie Day, red,
• 50:13
  string, bullshit. Sometimes God, the counterspell
• 50:16
  thing particularly makes me laugh because it There, we
• 50:20
  talked about it on episode, we did.
• 50:22
  Yeah, counterspell is going to have a place.
• 50:25
  The only basically what they did for that is they were like,
• 50:28
  we're just not going to call it in eight magic anymore because
• 50:31
  people are don't understand what an eight magic means because you
• 50:34
  can't counter spell 1/8 magic. So they just gave it a different
• 50:37
  name and it doesn't they just make them abilities.
• 50:39
  Yeah they make them feel at ease but like it, I'm okay.
• 50:44
  I think the solution here is like, I think what they should
• 50:47
  do is real simple. Like we come back to this lat
• 50:51
  tags, just make tags if a spell can be counterspell, put in
• 50:55
  parentheses spell. Whether eat, you know, like if
• 50:58
  it's a spell on their spell list or an ability on their stat
• 51:00
  block, if it can be counterspell, put spell, that's
• 51:03
  it. Look at it.
• 51:04
  And if you can't be counterspell, you don't put
• 51:05
  spell. You know, I mean, does some of
• 51:08
  the abilities? The whole spell, like abilities
• 51:11
  thing, right? They do come off like spells,
• 51:13
  but you can't, technically can't counter spell them because their
• 51:15
  abilities. So just put spell next, it's
• 51:18
  very simple. We go any further in this are
• 51:23
  just around up this meetings. Yeah, yeah, 4.
• 51:27
  That's a 4 for me guys. What you?
• 51:29
  What do you mean I guess? Yeah, I think we've, we
• 51:35
  basically have been answering question, right?
• 51:36
  I think it falls on the great for me because it's a lot of a
• 51:39
  lot of monkeys. Just like weird identity crisis.
• 51:43
  That's a lot of my issue with it.
• 51:44
  I'm like what do you want to be? What are you supposed to be?
• 51:48
  I think we can actually Has an answer I think when it comes to
• 51:51
  the class. Yeah, but I think the subclass
• 51:54
  is kind of make up for it because then it's like, all
• 51:57
  right. Do you want to be the?
• 51:58
  I want to be the Jackie. Chan like Kung Fu.
• 52:00
  Master mom, do I want to be the sneaky assassin monkey on one of
• 52:04
  these? Don't come out.
• 52:05
  I'm talking about. Matt, so you're talking about
• 52:07
  you're talking about like the vibe.
• 52:09
  I'm talking about like mechanically what is the niche
• 52:11
  you're supposed to fill and I don't feel like there's a good
• 52:15
  answer there. That's the part that that that's
• 52:17
  the identity crisis for me, please.
• 52:19
  Every flavor. Why?
• 52:20
  Actually, since you mentioned it flavor-wise, monk is one of the
• 52:24
  best ones. Hey, monk has some other one.
• 52:28
  Yeah, that's where they have some of the most flavorful
• 52:30
  subclasses in a lot of way. I mean, you could basically use
• 52:33
  Shadow monk to play a fucking ninja, right?
• 52:34
  Like, that's what Chris did. He was a jack old ninja, man.
• 52:40
  Yeah, I mean that shit is makes total sense, but yeah, like
• 52:44
  they're mechanical niche. Is the part where I feel like
• 52:48
  they have a weird, identity crisis and hopefully they'll
• 52:51
  figure it out but maybe not. And you know what?
• 52:54
  At the end of the day, somebody has to be the worst class.
• 52:59
  Yeah, make every time yeah but no not monk for sure but no its
• 53:02
  not can we can we goddamn can we just not have a bet?
• 53:06
  Like I don't even honestly like I did we didn't have it done a
• 53:09
  ranger class. We just talked a shit-ton
• 53:10
  arranger during the 1st episode. Yes.
• 53:13
  So like like I don't even think the ranger is like really bad.
• 53:18
  I just like the ring is only a couple, I'm sorry.
• 53:22
  Now what were you saying? Well, hear God say it.
• 53:25
  I was just gonna say there's only like, a couple of like
• 53:27
  subclasses of it because again, five, V the stick is the
• 53:30
  subclass. It's not the class, it's the
• 53:31
  subclass. That's the thing that like like
• 53:33
  Lachi go, you can't have to consider the class though, like,
• 53:36
  you're not wrong, but the class is still a factor because the
• 53:39
  Base Class abilities because the Base Class abilities are, you're
• 53:43
  going to have to deal with regardless of what subclass you
• 53:45
  pick do, you know, I'm sure to consider the class.
• 53:47
  The class is your, that's your. Now, this is, you know, the the
• 53:51
  class is your title, is your job, but the title is subclass.
• 53:56
  And that's the thing that you want.
• 53:59
  Kinda cut some classes, don't modify.
• 54:02
  The class has enough for me to justify only looking at the so
• 54:05
  they do and that they don't typically Wizards of the Coast
• 54:08
  have said that, that's the main thing with 5e that they don't
• 54:11
  really see. We've talked about this, they
• 54:12
  don't do the thing because if classes if some classes really
• 54:15
  really went in on the modifications may be doing the
• 54:18
  remember we were talking about taking things away and replacing
• 54:21
  them if they do that kind of shit, right?
• 54:23
  Like I was talking about like gonna be too like too
• 54:26
  complicated like taking away abilities and like Swapping them
• 54:29
  out and shit. Like whenever you're changing
• 54:32
  abilities, based on subclass certainly change it like six
• 54:34
  doable. Certain ones are God.
• 54:38
  It's been so long since we talked like this this is going
• 54:40
  to end in a Perpetual. Yeah of perspective.
• 54:43
  Really true this for some things, I do feel like they
• 54:46
  change them enough for other ones, I don't.
• 54:48
  Yeah I mean yes it's not 100% but what I'm saying is some
• 54:51
  classes are only additive right there.
• 54:53
  Only they stack on top of what exists but if they really
• 54:57
  noodled with the foundation of the class, I would say yes.
• 55:01
  The subclass is really the only thing you should care about, but
• 55:04
  because the foundation of the classes Still there.
• 55:07
  You can't ignore that stuff. You still haven't been saying,
• 55:10
  ignore it. Well, you got.
• 55:12
  You said, the subclass was all that matters.
• 55:14
  I don't think that's fair. This is not all you said, the
• 55:17
  subclass is also the main thing. Yeah.
• 55:19
  But but you gotta consider the base to you do, but I'm saying
• 55:23
  like, you most people when they look at a class they're like if
• 55:27
  you look at the glasses, I get it.
• 55:29
  But I'm saying you can't ignore the because on the things that
• 55:32
  I'm the reason I'm saying, you can't ignore it is because
• 55:33
  Ranger is an amazing example of why you can't ignore it.
• 55:37
  Because you can look at Ranger and saying, well, I don't really
• 55:39
  want to play Ranger but Drake wardens.
• 55:41
  Cool. So I'll play Drake Warren.
• 55:42
  It's like that's fine. You're still going to have a
• 55:45
  bunch of abilities. He's on your sheet that you're
• 55:47
  going to be annoyed about because they're based Ranger
• 55:49
  abilities, they're not going anywhere.
• 55:50
  Right? The shit like natural Explorer
• 55:53
  and favorite enemy. If you don't like the way those
• 55:56
  work, you're still going to be annoyed about them because
• 55:58
  they're not going anywhere. Just because you're playing a
• 56:00
  drink order Ranger. The problem with and Ranger is
• 56:04
  not Rangers not bad. Ranger is a class in the wrong
• 56:09
  game. Ranger is this done in Rangers?
• 56:12
  This class that wants to be in a Dungeon Crawler and d and e is
• 56:16
  not a Dungeon Crawler you know. Well I think maybe some e5e is
• 56:20
  not a Dungeon Crawler for me, right?
• 56:22
  I think that the thing, the big Crux of Ranger versus monk in
• 56:27
  terms of like the worst class because we also perform.
• 56:29
  This is a thoughtful way back when I mean everyone focuses on
• 56:31
  damage. Well, didn't know, it's not even
• 56:34
  that it's not even damaged it. Me it's with the right GM
• 56:40
  Rangers. Amazing yes fucking integral but
• 56:43
  that in the end the game looks like what kind of game you're
• 56:46
  playing? Yes II put that a lot of the GM
• 56:48
  because the GM is the one who's ultimately, making those
• 56:50
  decisions of like what the kind, what kind of game it is what
• 56:53
  formats, you're going to see in terms of level design, that's
• 56:56
  all up to the GM. That's what I was saying about
• 56:58
  if a GM in the wrong hands that you picked.
• 57:01
  Yeah, if the gm6 is sees that you picked a fucking Ranger and
• 57:05
  they see that your favorite train is Forest and desert and
• 57:08
  you're playing mad mage. Well, you're fucked, you're
• 57:11
  fucked. And there's nothing you can do
• 57:13
  about it. Yeah, that's the thing, right?
• 57:16
  Everyone plays 5e as the heroic Lord of the Rings game and
• 57:21
  Rangers really more suited to OG D & D where you had to go into
• 57:24
  the dungeon and then you had to make your way through the
• 57:27
  Wilderness back home to safety, right?
• 57:29
  And when you're playing OG, D & D, the ranger wasn't as good in
• 57:32
  the dungeon, but that's okay. Because when you got into the
• 57:34
  forest, you got to be really cool.
• 57:37
  But now because a lot of people ignore the travel stuff, I don't
• 57:40
  do the dungeon Crawley stuff as much don't track things as as
• 57:44
  tightly as they used to, it makes Rangers team shit, but
• 57:47
  really, it's just in the wrong game.
• 57:49
  Yeah. And that's what kind of way.
• 57:53
  That's what you're essentially. What you're saying is is like,
• 57:55
  if Rangers in the right game, he's fun, which is in the 5e
• 57:58
  case means. If the dam runs it in a way that
• 58:00
  you can be cool, you get to be cool.
• 58:02
  If not, you don't? Yeah.
• 58:05
  I mean, I yeah, pretty much I would say if Done well, right.
• 58:10
  If handled well, by a good GM Ranger is far more effective
• 58:14
  than monk in my opinion. So by in that instance, I can
• 58:17
  understand why people would say monk is the worst class, but
• 58:20
  given that in a vacuum monk just works better.
• 58:24
  It's Ranger, you know? Yes.
• 58:26
  Yeah. If you take out of the yeah, if
• 58:29
  you take out the environmental Factor, monk Works a little bit
• 58:33
  but like in an empty room with nothing else around them, monk
• 58:36
  functions better. potentially, although Well yeah I'll go to
• 58:43
  down the ranger path but yeah, I was muted yeah that that hole.
• 58:55
  That's just part of five. He's whole identity crisis issue
• 58:57
  which is like a deeper topic which I thought I've been
• 58:59
  thinking about more recently and I have realized a lot of there's
• 59:05
  a lot of stuff going on there. But yeah and also you know, what
• 59:11
  is worse class? Even fucking mean you know?
• 59:17
  A lot of people say x thing is the worst class.
• 59:20
  It's like, well, do you mean it's the worst damage?
• 59:22
  Do you mean it's the least fun to play?
• 59:24
  Do you mean it's like the most random, you know?
• 59:28
  Yeah. Because people are often not
• 59:30
  even consider people aren't even consistent with their definition
• 59:34
  of worse, right? Like no, yeah, a lot of people
• 59:36
  do not agree on what they mean between each other.
• 59:38
  We were like all Ranger doesn't do him a lot of damage and it's
• 59:40
  like actually the ranger can do a fuck ton of damage however
• 59:44
  they can't. Yeah it's yeah it's the way you
• 59:47
  Play it or like it's built on quote that's like, oh,
• 59:50
  mechanically it's not great. It's like, well, it has some
• 59:52
  mechanics that are Mare and then it has some better awesome but I
• 59:57
  guess it's like if there's more negatives to it.
• 59:59
  But yeah, that's what we'll save that for the Ranger episode.
• 1:00:02
  Yeah, I'm going to ride on the ranger but that's it.
• 1:00:04
  Yeah. But I'd as a I know you've
• 1:00:08
  played a monk before. But but Josh have you ever tried
• 1:00:12
  your hand at monk it dark was a mug.
• 1:00:15
  Currently which one of which was that shoved his arm in the
• 1:00:18
  stalagmite with the black pudding in it.
• 1:00:20
  Yeah it was a monk. I spoke.
• 1:00:23
  What kind of Monk was he? Shadow, I think Nikki was
• 1:00:30
  Shadow, I don't really remember but I'm pretty sure that was
• 1:00:34
  you're sure you really like it, like playing the The game was a
• 1:00:40
  little rough so I don't really remember.
• 1:00:43
  It was kind of shaky ground. I think that was what that was
• 1:00:46
  when we were playing Storm Kings Thunder, it's just rice.
• 1:00:50
  Oh yeah. Not a great campaign.
• 1:00:51
  So, like preface the beginning of the campaign Is Not Great.
• 1:00:55
  Correctly, is the beginning that I know, I know, I know, I have
• 1:00:59
  to always preference because I literally skip that the
• 1:01:01
  beginning part, and I'm having a great time.
• 1:01:03
  I feel bad. Like, you guys are like, nope.
• 1:01:05
  It's loses the opposite, but we didn't know and also it was
• 1:01:08
  Sam's Lee foray into Jia Ming so he didn't want to skip the
• 1:01:11
  beginning. He wanted to kind of feel it out
• 1:01:13
  and yeah yeah yeah yeah I said what about you?
• 1:01:20
  What about I know you've you I know one in particular I have
• 1:01:23
  you played how many months have you played three or four?
• 1:01:26
  Oh shit. Yeah I think of their home.
• 1:01:33
  Turn right. The the Giotto or one of those
• 1:01:39
  Yachts. Oh, it's I played them in a lot
• 1:01:42
  of like small shit or like I guessed it for a while or I had
• 1:01:46
  a character hop out and I brought a monk in over there.
• 1:01:49
  Named stone is when you've got like oh this is items.
• 1:01:52
  You have a million fucking OCS. Not Were fucking play them like
• 1:01:57
  an idiot. I had the Azam are one that I
• 1:02:04
  didn't get to do with more than like a boss fight.
• 1:02:07
  I had yato I had to human. Oh that's work.
• 1:02:11
  That's what I also was masks actually Kiran.
• 1:02:14
  He was a monk. He was specifically an open hand
• 1:02:16
  monk. Oh and fucking work but works
• 1:02:20
  among he's half monkey it so it runs blower.
• 1:02:29
  So yeah, yato bulwark eyeless, I think was the as a Mars name and
• 1:02:41
  cure. Yes.
• 1:02:41
  I placed myself classes are like what subclasses that open hand
• 1:02:47
  has astral self. Yeah.
• 1:02:49
  Open hand. Astral self.
• 1:02:53
  Fucking son. Soul was eyeless.
• 1:02:58
  And Kieran was a mercy? No.
• 1:03:02
  Can't say who's a cancer? Yes, I very specifically, I had
• 1:03:07
  him do the like he didn't play this fucking game, the Soul,
• 1:03:12
  Calibur, like so Cassandra. So if we do like, / punch sort
• 1:03:16
  of thing, He just he just does. The The Shield was just brass
• 1:03:22
  knuckle, a just him with the brass nasties like yeah.
• 1:03:30
  I think I also made up that one pugilist Homebrew that I really
• 1:03:36
  like, which is basically a monk with just some different stuff
• 1:03:38
  on it so it did one of those as well.
• 1:03:40
  Also, that was a different version of the same character.
• 1:03:42
  Karen. I think they know what that
• 1:03:46
  character wanted to be for a while.
• 1:03:49
  I think of only play. Yeah, I've only played two
• 1:03:51
  monks, one was a Dragonborn, Shadow monk.
• 1:03:57
  Originally I was going to do because in Storm King stand
• 1:04:01
  there. My main, my main character was
• 1:04:03
  being a wizard off in his Tower studying and the group was like,
• 1:04:06
  well we need is six person. I'm like, I'll just make a side
• 1:04:09
  guy, will hang around for a little bit and then dip, when my
• 1:04:12
  the lizard wizard shows up, I made a lizard Monk and yeah, he
• 1:04:18
  was It was great when I was able to we were in a big boss fight
• 1:04:23
  against a bunch of stone giants and eyeshadow step onto the
• 1:04:26
  shoulder of a stone giant stunned him by punching him in
• 1:04:30
  the ear. And then I'll Clark's like, I
• 1:04:33
  cast Moonbeam directly on the fucking, the, you know, or not.
• 1:04:38
  Moonbeam, I forgot what it was like a super powerful spell.
• 1:04:42
  Basically, blasting a Sunbeam, down to the sky, both Norms
• 1:04:46
  Sunbeam in Moonbeam, maybe Sunbeam something like That and
• 1:04:49
  he specifically was like I was saving my life.
• 1:04:52
  He was holding his action to cast it on like any Stone Giant
• 1:04:58
  and because for some reason that he's picked that one and I'm
• 1:05:01
  like, bro, I'm here. He's like, get my character
• 1:05:04
  can't see that. You're on the shoulder.
• 1:05:05
  I'm like, bro, I'm right, it's me, Matt, the player.
• 1:05:09
  What are you doing, bro? PVP, what are you doing?
• 1:05:12
  He's like, yeah. And this is where I hate the
• 1:05:14
  line with each. What my character would do it to
• 1:05:16
  get with my character can't see me.
• 1:05:17
  And it's like, Yeah, well, my character, Let's see, what Buck
• 1:05:20
  will your addresses, but I know your address is, I'm coming.
• 1:05:25
  Yeah, he daylight and shit out of here.
• 1:05:27
  Does this picture actresses? But I am too high.
• 1:05:35
  I got I got Sons again. When I like that one.
• 1:05:38
  Yeah. From as a shadow Monk and then
• 1:05:40
  couldn't Shadow monk anymore. So, that was fine.
• 1:05:45
  And then I played for Joe ran, a mini mini camp Pain where it's
• 1:05:49
  basically just Coliseum fighting and that's where I got the
• 1:05:52
  route, the Drunken Master monk, the the get 0i back, when no one
• 1:05:57
  ever played, good, sir. I and was like, yeah, finally.
• 1:06:00
  It's like, I could be one of the, like, one percent of people
• 1:06:03
  who actually tried this race because they're cool.
• 1:06:07
  Bro, it's so weird. That the you thinking that gets
• 1:06:09
  there are two different species. I think that what I like that
• 1:06:11
  there's certain I like when they were sub-races.
• 1:06:14
  But now that they're separate like that in like the fucking I
• 1:06:20
  can whatever the morning cleaning a solar electric
• 1:06:22
  puzzles of the Multiverse. Yeah.
• 1:06:24
  That thing like it's weird like I don't know, I'm still, I'm
• 1:06:29
  still I get why they did it. I'm still kind of weirded out
• 1:06:32
  by. It's like, was it that was that
• 1:06:34
  extra step really having a be a sub race?
• 1:06:38
  Was that really confusing people, because they, the word
• 1:06:40
  thing for me, right? Is that they're the same like
• 1:06:42
  because they're using species now, right?
• 1:06:43
  And that's got its own so problems, they're literally,
• 1:06:46
  they are the same species, they are.
• 1:06:47
  There just are two different sex with friends.
• 1:06:50
  It's just cultural differences between two of them and there is
• 1:06:53
  a really is a sect of them. Like they I don't know if they
• 1:06:57
  said this in the Multiverse book, but in Tomah foes there
• 1:07:01
  literally is a sect of get Yankee and get Sarai that want
• 1:07:05
  to fuse both sexes back together and are working towards peace
• 1:07:09
  with each other. And I think that's so cool.
• 1:07:12
  But in, I don't know, I think in the the Multiverse book, they
• 1:07:16
  got rid of that. And they're like, yeah, now
• 1:07:17
  they're just two different things.
• 1:07:18
  Now, that's like, what the fuck? It is worth pointing out the
• 1:07:21
  species distinction thing they made after that book came out so
• 1:07:25
  they did but not that much after like not enough for it to not
• 1:07:31
  feel really weird but the telethons book or the
• 1:07:35
  multiplayer Multiverse cookbook because look, you Multiverse
• 1:07:38
  versus 1D and he's nuts. Yeah, because that he just say,
• 1:07:41
  what do you do? Sometimes do.
• 1:07:43
  I just I just I mean I've just climbed on this is bit.
• 1:07:46
  I want them to God. I don't even know what they can
• 1:07:49
  change. I just do it is gonna change
• 1:07:51
  when it releases. That's not there.
• 1:07:53
  Just happened to be the D&D. It's a it's a working title.
• 1:07:56
  I don't, I don't know. I do this.
• 1:07:58
  What? I just think it's fucking funny
• 1:07:59
  to say one deed these nuts. It's like, you know, my players
• 1:08:04
  saying players are doing it now. Damn it
• 1:08:18
  saying that is that the Monday species.
• 1:08:21
  Distinction thing came out after the morning Canaan presents
• 1:08:24
  book. Also with the more Decay and
• 1:08:27
  presents book, they separated a lot of the species out into
• 1:08:32
  their own sections, but Lor wise, they are still subspecies
• 1:08:36
  of each other, right? Yeah, I'll or Wise.
• 1:08:38
  It's again, it's just odd. It's not, I'm not saying it's
• 1:08:41
  bad. I'm just, it's not that, I'm not
• 1:08:43
  saying like it, ruins my game experience, it's just weird, and
• 1:08:47
  I'm just like, all right. Yeah, all right.
• 1:08:50
  For fine for clerical purposes. But any, who's an?
• 1:08:57
  Because I do want to do this one before the quintessential.
• 1:09:00
  'S what's your favorite subclass guys?
• 1:09:02
  There's all kind ja I like you. I you agreed with me.
• 1:09:05
  We agreed on something. World peace has been achieved.
• 1:09:07
  Monk flavor for the the subclasses?
• 1:09:10
  You think? Do you think they're cool?
• 1:09:11
  The vibe of monk-like flavor-wise you like them, too?
• 1:09:17
  I'm I don't want to answer any more but yes but unnecessary
• 1:09:23
  SAS. I was I was just oh my God.
• 1:09:26
  Come on. Joking with you.
• 1:09:35
  What's your favorite? Subclass of Monk, don't have
• 1:09:37
  one. All right, I don't know.
• 1:09:40
  I can't pick. I haven't really looked like I
• 1:09:41
  like that. The problem is a lot of them, I
• 1:09:43
  like the idea of and then the execution is a little wonky.
• 1:09:46
  They're kind of like the idea of Master.
• 1:09:48
  But some of the abilities I'm like yeah.
• 1:09:51
  Mercy is what the fuck. I don't know.
• 1:09:55
  Probably just Dragon because dragons I can cool.
• 1:09:59
  Actually I do really like ancestral.
• 1:10:00
  Maybe it's Astra self-interest. My favorite hands down and
• 1:10:04
  actually ask yourself. Now, I do love can say them to
• 1:10:07
  as Italy I would can say would be my favorite.
• 1:10:11
  If it didn't fucking infuriate me while I was in Fury a gym
• 1:10:15
  because it's not like it does. The flavor literally does not
• 1:10:19
  match the subclass. Of the weapon monk.
• 1:10:23
  Yeah, because you got a weapon monk.
• 1:10:25
  You're welcome. It's not, it's not what this is,
• 1:10:27
  it guys. It's called Ken.
• 1:10:30
  Say can say Japanese for sword, insane.
• 1:10:32
  IE fucking Samurai and that is not at all.
• 1:10:35
  What the flavor for can say, monkeys.
• 1:10:37
  Get the most flavor is like weird.
• 1:10:39
  Like I use a monk's paid and I'm still a Buddhist monk.
• 1:10:42
  And I use like the deer horn knives, and fucking bow stabs
• 1:10:45
  and shit as a not at all. What the fuck?
• 1:10:48
  It just doesn't, it just doesn't make any fucking sense.
• 1:10:51
  And there's All of it. There's some of it that has
• 1:10:53
  like, kind of katana s things, right?
• 1:10:56
  Like the, the fucking can say shot, right?
• 1:10:58
  Like, the cool like drugs, like, and then, oh, you got the
• 1:11:01
  calligraphy. Yay, that thing that no one
• 1:11:03
  fucking uses but it's fine, real good.
• 1:11:06
  Yeah, it just makes me so mad because when I first saw you
• 1:11:11
  were getting can say, I was like, fuck, yeah, Samurai monk.
• 1:11:14
  I want this so bad and it wasn't at all what I wanted, but it
• 1:11:19
  also wasn't not what I wanted, it just It wasn't what I wanted
• 1:11:23
  and I know that doesn't make any sense.
• 1:11:24
  Fuck you, okay. So one day because I actually
• 1:11:28
  won right players for our. Well, one of my players when we
• 1:11:31
  played, I swindled they did, the gun monk against a monk that
• 1:11:33
  uses a gun. But they were, they were like
• 1:11:36
  playing a cyborg. I want to be a cowboy monk so
• 1:11:39
  badly. I don't know why I have this
• 1:11:42
  dumb obsession with it ever since the the gun feet came out.
• 1:11:47
  But now it's like I really want to just I really want to play
• 1:11:49
  against a monk cowboy. You know, it's harder primer and
• 1:11:54
  just like, you know, I just actually because say I'm sorry,
• 1:11:59
  I'm stuck on this because Samurai Fighters topics, just
• 1:12:05
  not good and they fucking did. So yes, literally fighting cries
• 1:12:14
  to to streamline the point of Isaiah's Asteria.
• 1:12:19
  What he's saying is Isaiah has an understanding of the history
• 1:12:24
  of the word and was expecting something more closely related
• 1:12:28
  to that. What we got was a relation to
• 1:12:31
  the pop culture, understanding of the word and that, that is
• 1:12:35
  not what I say. Honest, it's not even the pop
• 1:12:37
  culture. Understanding the pop culture
• 1:12:39
  understanding is what we got. It's not though that's not we
• 1:12:42
  got it is because the pop culture understanding is the
• 1:12:44
  Buddhist monk with the like weaponize shovel thing.
• 1:12:47
  That's what everyone. Yeah.
• 1:12:48
  But then why did you call it the fuck?
• 1:12:51
  That's what people think that means.
• 1:12:53
  No. And but it's not even the same
• 1:12:55
  culture and it's not, you know, Isaiah Isaiah.
• 1:12:57
  I know people are not correct but that's what people think
• 1:13:00
  that means. How does one is Chinese ones
• 1:13:03
  Japanese? I don't know, but it's just one
• 1:13:07
  of those. It's the same, it, look, it's
• 1:13:08
  the same. It's the same thing of people
• 1:13:10
  thinking that it's the same as people thinking, like, ninja and
• 1:13:14
  Samurai are the same shit, right?
• 1:13:16
  It's a misunderstanding of Oriental history.
• 1:13:19
  Actually Ruth. Why?
• 1:13:21
  Not that, I don't know why. I don't know why I said that it
• 1:13:28
  is a misunderstanding of East Asian history, and people
• 1:13:31
  glomming countries. Like China Vietnam, Korea,
• 1:13:34
  Japan, all into one big, giant mega country.
• 1:13:37
  They are not, but that's what people think.
• 1:13:40
  Resist stupidity impulse. So the pop colors are
• 1:13:44
  understanding when you say can save, Monk Is the Buddhist monk.
• 1:13:48
  Who does the thing where they have the combat shovel and they
• 1:13:50
  walk around and they They bury the person after they beat their
• 1:13:52
  ass and they carry those weird like the Chinese hook Moon
• 1:13:56
  blade, things. Oh yeah.
• 1:13:57
  That's that's that's that's what people think that beads and
• 1:14:01
  Saudi went with the sort of weird pop cultural
• 1:14:04
  misunderstanding. Now let's go to bed different
• 1:14:09
  thing but that's that's what happened.
• 1:14:11
  You know, it's funny Frozen dumb shit that people attack 5e for
• 1:14:15
  you'd think. That'd be one of them.
• 1:14:16
  It's not. And I don't want it to be.
• 1:14:19
  But you think that be one of them like the Myriad of dumb
• 1:14:21
  shit that they get attacked her? I assume.
• 1:14:24
  It's just a general, not knowing what the word actually comes
• 1:14:28
  from. So, people don't know.
• 1:14:30
  That's not an excuse. I just, I just that's, I assume
• 1:14:33
  why it's not a well enough known thing for people to come.
• 1:14:36
  It would be my guess. Like that one.
• 1:14:40
  Anime. Who like they named like their
• 1:14:42
  character. Like, this is my, this is the
• 1:14:44
  bad guy, Beelzebub. And the other bad guy, Satan and
• 1:14:47
  the other bad guy, the devil. It's like hold up.
• 1:14:50
  Yeah. I mean, you know, How do I I
• 1:14:57
  don't think I can do this. I feel like it's unfair Isaiah
• 1:15:01
  for you to get mad at Ken's, a monk because you thought it was
• 1:15:04
  one thing and you've got another thing like you can be frustrated
• 1:15:08
  but you had you had expectations based on nothing, you know.
• 1:15:14
  Like know I had expectations based on fucking language like
• 1:15:20
  this is the this is the fucking thief Rogue thing where like
• 1:15:24
  Bass di frog. You barely do any Thief shit.
• 1:15:27
  You just get weird fucking abilities.
• 1:15:31
  That let me we talked about like oral history there.
• 1:15:33
  That's a little different, but Well, I'm just saying you jumped
• 1:15:38
  on the name before you actually saw what it was gonna be, which
• 1:15:42
  is kind of, at least a little bit on you know I don't think it
• 1:15:45
  is not only it isn't all Imma Be hundo which you achieve like you
• 1:15:49
  can make some presumptions but without actually having seen
• 1:15:52
  what it was before hand. It's unfair of you to assume it
• 1:15:56
  was going to be a samurai. Why that's what they supposed to
• 1:16:00
  be. Let me actually, I want, I just
• 1:16:02
  want to read the description. Let's see.
• 1:16:04
  My main thing is, I, if I Were to look at a monk subclass.
• 1:16:08
  I would not assume it's going to be a samurai because that's not
• 1:16:12
  very monk Esco. Feel like in the way that d and
• 1:16:15
  e is, yeah, he's basing, it on Buddhist monks, mostly likely,
• 1:16:19
  listen can't say monks a train wreck relentlessly with their
• 1:16:22
  weapons. To the point where their weapon
• 1:16:24
  becomes an extension of their body, founded Mastery of sword,
• 1:16:26
  fighting the tradition of expanding, including other
• 1:16:30
  different, many weapons. Yeah, they even put it said that
• 1:16:34
  it started off of the master of sword fighting it, but then you
• 1:16:37
  can use whatever fucking weapon. Huh.
• 1:16:41
  It wanted to use a word, people would know I guess also.
• 1:16:44
  Is there a name for the Chinese Buddhist monk version of this?
• 1:16:48
  Monk, a warrior monk. This is it.
• 1:16:50
  You're just a whore, you can't call me.
• 1:16:52
  I mean, you can't be Munch Munch Munch.
• 1:17:00
  Well, they have weapon, Matt great.
• 1:17:02
  Well literally translates to Sword Saint.
• 1:17:12
  Yeah, but in English, it sounds cool.
• 1:17:15
  I guess would be matter if they get, they call it sword saying
• 1:17:17
  it like, they're like, oh well, you can do sword fighting with
• 1:17:19
  sorry about, like, for me, I said it before with the fighter
• 1:17:22
  thing, right? Like when I think sword Saint, I
• 1:17:24
  think like, like footwork so stuff that lets you like kind of
• 1:17:29
  like the the bait and switch that fighter has right being
• 1:17:32
  able to move around the enemy. Having things that let you like,
• 1:17:35
  it makes your deflection better. Write your deflect missiles
• 1:17:37
  better, I want. Something that like allows you
• 1:17:41
  to cleave enemies. Like I want stuff that gives you
• 1:17:46
  like because I don't really care about the Kent's a weapon.
• 1:17:48
  Like fuck, who gives you say? What do you have been happier?
• 1:17:51
  If they said like only a bladed weapon I'm so bored.
• 1:17:56
  I want to say the weapons that like Samurai used like give them
• 1:18:01
  a thousand, a sword and a bow. Like that's that's your monk
• 1:18:07
  weapons. But they had other shit.
• 1:18:10
  Sure. But like, yeah, but people
• 1:18:11
  always are your things. What if people also want to do
• 1:18:13
  to weird fantasy thinking to solve all sorts of like, well,
• 1:18:16
  if I want to be a cowboy, I'm gonna be a cowboy bunked UK
• 1:18:19
  music summer. I use guns to, that's fine.
• 1:18:21
  I mean, you couldn't, I mean, I think you're being too.
• 1:18:25
  I think you're being a little restrictive, should they have
• 1:18:27
  maybe not use the word can say sure.
• 1:18:29
  Should they have called it weapon?
• 1:18:30
  Master monk. Yeah I guess you could have
• 1:18:32
  called it the way the weapon Master can't say sounds cool.
• 1:18:34
  Yeah yeah I mean they yes they chose kids because it sounds
• 1:18:37
  cooler. That's almost Leah why?
• 1:18:40
  But I don't think the subclass would be as fun if you
• 1:18:43
  restricted it down to like swords bows slaves and uh yeah
• 1:18:48
  especially now it's like the Tasha's thing where they like
• 1:18:50
  can pick a dedicated weapon anyways.
• 1:18:52
  Also want a lot of people want to do the like weird fucking you
• 1:18:57
  know Jackie Chan I fight with a frying pan nonsense to which I
• 1:19:00
  think is also kind of what this is for.
• 1:19:03
  You see it would be but this does much use improvised
• 1:19:05
  weapons. But what if I replay value The
• 1:19:08
  right? Yeah, you can Replay for the
• 1:19:10
  entire wedding list as opposed to just the you know, the three
• 1:19:14
  that you said Like, yes, it probably should have a thing
• 1:19:18
  about improvised weapon, but the point is, you could re flavor
• 1:19:20
  the whole weaponless as opposed to a small list.
• 1:19:25
  I get it. You're mad about the use of the
• 1:19:26
  word. I get that part.
• 1:19:28
  Yeah. I just, I don't know.
• 1:19:31
  This it for me, write this, this would be if you did like
• 1:19:35
  conjurer Wizard and, like you got nothing, that'll let you
• 1:19:38
  summon shit. When summoning is most of the
• 1:19:40
  conjuration spells. Yeah.
• 1:19:42
  I mean, I don't mean somebody monster.
• 1:19:44
  I mean, like summoning a thing teleporting, which is you just
• 1:19:47
  sort of summoning yourself a diff to a different location,
• 1:19:49
  right? Like it's hundreds digit.
• 1:19:51
  Gives have that excuse. It's a different way of looking
• 1:19:57
  at teleporting. I'm not gonna lie.
• 1:19:59
  I kind of like it. But I like it, I just, I don't
• 1:20:06
  know, like, and they tried to, I'm sorry, I'm almost done with
• 1:20:09
  this. They tried, right?
• 1:20:10
  Because they did say, they did say stuff like sword fighting
• 1:20:13
  and they give you their, they specifically called out bows,
• 1:20:16
  which is good. And then you get like way of the
• 1:20:20
  brush which Well sure that's a reference to to say.
• 1:20:24
  I don't like a nice consolation prize.
• 1:20:26
  Thank you very much and to see that they do.
• 1:20:29
  Nothing. Right.
• 1:20:30
  That's the thing. Yeah.
• 1:20:32
  Like you know, it's funny, that's a good.
• 1:20:33
  That's a good ribbon ability. That's what's a good little tie
• 1:20:35
  on. It's not like Samurai where it's
• 1:20:37
  like this is one of the things you get it's like this one is
• 1:20:40
  like here's a little thing at the end.
• 1:20:44
  You said if you give this thing a, they'll probably be more
• 1:20:46
  likely to use if they had called it weapon.
• 1:20:48
  Way of the weapon Master. Isaiah wouldn't have given a
• 1:20:50
  shit is really what we're getting at here?
• 1:20:52
  Pretty much pretty much straight up.
• 1:20:53
  Not even gonna get us High School times.
• 1:20:56
  I like sword Saint monk instead. No, I don't, I don't like no.
• 1:21:06
  But yes, they should have called it weapon Master, because that's
• 1:21:09
  really what they were getting at.
• 1:21:11
  Because they're not going to call it the Munch Munch.
• 1:21:13
  Obviously, although now, His. Yeah.
• 1:21:22
  Anyway. What's your favorite iser now?
• 1:21:25
  You said it's yes. Actual self because I like being
• 1:21:28
  a joke character. I don't care what people say
• 1:21:30
  that. It's cringed.
• 1:21:31
  I'd be like a little ducks. Not route.
• 1:21:33
  Shut up. Shut the fuck up.
• 1:21:35
  Yes, it is. Haven't you all for the same
• 1:21:38
  favorites? 10 say, just to annoy Isaiah.
• 1:21:40
  That's fine. They can say, they they they
• 1:21:42
  don't worry. They just haven't sucked enough
• 1:21:43
  dick. It's fine, don't worry.
• 1:21:44
  Yes, I just laughed. Like stop putting your enemy OC
• 1:21:51
  into my D and D. Okay, Dee Dee's animators, shit.
• 1:21:54
  First of all, if you don't recognize that your fucking
• 1:21:56
  clown, you can literally see the writing on the wall.
• 1:22:05
  Like what's that? What is actual self?
• 1:22:07
  You're either a fucking Kamen Rider or you're a joke
• 1:22:10
  character. Those are the two you get and
• 1:22:12
  the bolt animators ship. So if you guys, if you're
• 1:22:14
  telling me that it's not, you can suck my you could maybe make
• 1:22:19
  the I meant that astral self is a reference to the sort of Spira
• 1:22:24
  lip spiritualism. It is of monkey stuff where he's
• 1:22:29
  right, the flavor attached to the ejection and shit like that,
• 1:22:32
  right? Yeah.
• 1:22:33
  You could make a pretty strong argument that that's where it's
• 1:22:35
  pulling from, right? Even have the little they have
• 1:22:39
  like so what is sending all that the load like little like, you
• 1:22:42
  know, sentence or two of like this is what way of the astral
• 1:22:44
  self is. And then under that in a big
• 1:22:46
  block it's like forms of your Astro self and basically, like
• 1:22:49
  it in Bodies your soul. Here's what it look like.
• 1:22:51
  It can be, you know, your soul. Oh, JoJo character.
• 1:22:54
  Although, you know anything now that like fucking me, you know,
• 1:22:58
  now that I'm thinking about it and now that I just said that,
• 1:23:02
  JoJo stands are basically based on that history to.
• 1:23:05
  So yeah. Yeah.
• 1:23:11
  Yeah. I mean the idea of a children
• 1:23:13
  stand Is Awesome from personalities mysticism.
• 1:23:17
  In a lot of ways. So yeah.
• 1:23:19
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:23:20
  It people being like Oh it's like there's like an animal list
• 1:23:23
  sense. I just like to put forward, the
• 1:23:25
  Kamen Riders fucking grasshopper.
• 1:23:27
  So, you know, Kamen Rider also has some Shintoism stuff in it
• 1:23:31
  too, right? So like so over that one crank,
• 1:23:34
  I fucked that guy yo. Your brains against that dick.
• 1:23:41
  Everybody was so deadpan. Serious.
• 1:23:45
  And then cranking his old? Jack-in-the-Box can't like, do
• 1:23:48
  not do that. Today are not replace.
• 1:23:50
  Are these from doubles? I don't know.
• 1:23:53
  Any we met so far. Anyways, my favorite.
• 1:23:55
  So, If if way of the four elements just wasn't so bad.
• 1:24:04
  If you like that actually. And it's our, it probably, it
• 1:24:07
  probably would have been my favorite to be honest.
• 1:24:10
  It's just like, Yeah. The Avatar, the fucking the the
• 1:24:12
  spell monk? Yeah, it's such a cool idea.
• 1:24:16
  How the fuck would mess it up? What I haven't read?
• 1:24:21
  I'm a V10 engine for here. Okay, so I haven't read it that
• 1:24:26
  closely. What exactly is the issue with
• 1:24:28
  way of the for the issue is it comes like the monk, the monk
• 1:24:31
  you have to spend key in order to do anything and most of those
• 1:24:34
  abilities are like spells that you get certain spells.
• 1:24:38
  It's not that you guys spell list, you get certain spells and
• 1:24:41
  then you get for specific abilities.
• 1:24:44
  Each one is based on one of the four elements, but the problem
• 1:24:47
  is, they cost so much key in order to do anything.
• 1:24:50
  That's not worth it. It's like you will, you might as
• 1:24:52
  well just play a spellcaster. If you just want to spell their
• 1:24:56
  too much money for how much they are?
• 1:24:59
  And so like as cool as they are it's just not worth it at the
• 1:25:03
  end knocks. It's like I want to play this so
• 1:25:05
  badly and if anyone who actually does want to play it, James hake
• 1:25:11
  great fucking game designer worked on a bunch of different
• 1:25:15
  projects works for a bunch of different companies.
• 1:25:17
  Works for ghost fire at the moment.
• 1:25:19
  Right now works for goes firework for, you know, critical
• 1:25:21
  role Wizards of the Coast looking.
• 1:25:23
  All of you guys. It's outdoor are reborn book.
• 1:25:26
  Yeah. Primarily he has an Urkel on
• 1:25:29
  the, if you type in a monk 101, way of the four elements by
• 1:25:33
  James hake, he actually has like a whole, like thing describing
• 1:25:39
  it. What the drawbacks are of it,
• 1:25:41
  and how if he was dungeon mastering someone playing where
• 1:25:45
  the four elements, how he would fix it, everyone would be like
• 1:25:48
  reduce a lot of the key costs of some, the elemental disciplines,
• 1:25:53
  you know, give them extra, give them extra spells like they
• 1:25:58
  learn a couple of You can trips, maybe they can learn more
• 1:26:02
  disciplines at higher levels. They, you know, it's just simple
• 1:26:06
  fixes and they'll make it better, you know though fucking
• 1:26:14
  apps? I just hate the subclass design
• 1:26:17
  of oh, this is this is the, this is the class, but with spells
• 1:26:22
  and that's where a lot of the players handbook thing.
• 1:26:24
  They kind of looks like hate it. Like if you look at the anymore,
• 1:26:28
  For good reason, the circle of land.
• 1:26:30
  Rude. Yeah.
• 1:26:31
  It's a wizard. It's dispelled, right?
• 1:26:33
  Space. They get Arcane recovery.
• 1:26:35
  It's I'm a little more accepting of it with like Druid because
• 1:26:39
  they're already a spell Caster. But a lot of the other like the
• 1:26:42
  marshals they do it where they're like ah this is the
• 1:26:44
  Marshal but with spell casting and I'm just kind of like most
• 1:26:48
  of them are bad execution. The exit?
• 1:26:50
  Yeah. Well if the executions good like
• 1:26:52
  you know if you look at Arcane trickster trickster is compared
• 1:26:55
  to. Yeah but then comparing that to
• 1:26:58
  Elgin. Right?
• 1:26:58
  And you're like, oh there's cells, which night is bad but I
• 1:27:01
  think that's the way of the four of you.
• 1:27:03
  Look at blade, singer and cry, and cry at how amazing it is, is
• 1:27:11
  crying in the corner. Like, I want to be the My thing
• 1:27:14
  with with four elements monk is my my train of thought.
• 1:27:20
  If I were to make a avatar, monk would not be to give them a
• 1:27:24
  bunch of elementally theme spells because that's like the
• 1:27:27
  laziest and easiest way to do it, right?
• 1:27:30
  Well, maybe give them cool abilities that are specifically
• 1:27:35
  related to the style of element they do.
• 1:27:38
  Which is well like what they did with room night.
• 1:27:43
  Like one night so they do. I do they have or elements.
• 1:27:49
  They get these. It's called Elemental
• 1:27:51
  disciplines of Elemental of the elements and it's basically a
• 1:27:55
  whole list of thing kind of like Eldridge invocations what their
• 1:27:59
  spouse. So, like, at 17th level, you can
• 1:28:01
  spend six key points to cast cone of cold.
• 1:28:04
  Yeah, that I don't like that but then they have for specific ones
• 1:28:08
  that are tied to elements. Like the one I mentioned
• 1:28:11
  earlier, The Unbroken. Are you blast a compression?
• 1:28:16
  You blast compressed air at strike.
• 1:28:18
  Someone for their your fist. You spend two key points and
• 1:28:21
  choose a creature in 30 feet. They have to make a shrink safe
• 1:28:24
  if they fail, they take 3D 10 bludgeoning damage.
• 1:28:27
  Plus an extra one D 10 damage for an additional key spend.
• 1:28:30
  Yeah. And they're push 20 feet away
• 1:28:32
  from you and not prone. Yes, he that's a lot.
• 1:28:36
  That's what I fucking air blasts, that's the yeah, that's
• 1:28:39
  the thing. Fucking tens of didn't Cora
• 1:28:41
  where he just like air punch. Someone off a fucking Lift.
• 1:28:43
  Yeah, and then they have it like water but now I just thought of
• 1:28:46
  John Halo, 10 set, the fact is why?
• 1:28:50
  When the elites just get blasted off the temple.
• 1:28:53
  Oh yeah. Don't bring that garbage into
• 1:28:56
  this. Yeah, they do that.
• 1:28:58
  They have the water whip one, where.
• 1:29:00
  It's like they spend two key points and they target creature.
• 1:29:04
  30 feet, make a deck save. They take 3D 10 bludgeoning
• 1:29:07
  damage. Plus extra one d-10 bludgeoning
• 1:29:09
  that's not prone or pull 20 feet closer to you.
• 1:29:11
  Yeah, those are some kind of family.
• 1:29:13
  Do the same. The idea though just giving them
• 1:29:16
  spells is like so Blitz, right? And they're flavored as like,
• 1:29:20
  yeah, gone of summit. Yeah.
• 1:29:25
  Kita cash shatter. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:28
  I get what they're going for, but yeah.
• 1:29:30
  No, yeah, that's why. It's like, I've take those base
• 1:29:33
  Elemental abilities and give them more of those as they
• 1:29:35
  level. That's how I would go and I do
• 1:29:39
  like the idea though of having a sub class that uses the key
• 1:29:42
  points, More than the other ones, but it has to be like,
• 1:29:46
  cost isn't worth it. That's six or seven.
• 1:29:49
  Key points is Casa. Fifth level spell.
• 1:29:51
  Yeah that's why can't I just get I'll just give me make me a
• 1:29:55
  quarter Caster or some shit. Fuck yeah let me spell Slots
• 1:29:58
  make my life easier. But honestly my favorite class
• 1:30:02
  probably just because of again my buddy Chris like Shadow Monks
• 1:30:08
  and just watching a shadow monk, go from Louisville because he
• 1:30:12
  joined the campaign level. Six all the way to 20 and
• 1:30:15
  watching the progression of Monk and the crazy nonsense you can
• 1:30:18
  do as a shadow monk or level. You get a bunch of cool spells.
• 1:30:22
  Yeah. It's we don't do our league is
• 1:30:23
  no spells. Yeah.
• 1:30:26
  You are those spells that you don't get any other ability at
• 1:30:28
  third level which I think is kind of goofy?
• 1:30:30
  Yeah. Well I think because I guess
• 1:30:32
  they're like they're getting spells granted like spending to
• 1:30:35
  key point the cast them and then you get minor illusion cancer
• 1:30:38
  for free which is nice but they're all like, they're all
• 1:30:41
  good spouse like You know, you cast darkness that works, you
• 1:30:45
  know, past that Trace great silence, great.
• 1:30:48
  Well, Dawson kind of funny because like, you can't use it
• 1:30:52
  for Darkness. Yeah, well, yeah.
• 1:30:54
  It's like, okay, so I get that. The idea is like, oh, you cast
• 1:30:57
  darkness and then you cast Dark Vision on yourself so you can
• 1:30:59
  see in your own Darkness. But like wait, no wait, that
• 1:31:02
  doesn't even work doesn't know. You can tell ya.
• 1:31:06
  This is magical Darkness. Yeah, so what There should be,
• 1:31:11
  there should be a clause you can see in your own Darkness there.
• 1:31:14
  I think I don't remember if they get later on or he found a magic
• 1:31:17
  item that let him do it. I don't remember, but eventually
• 1:31:20
  he was able to do that. Yeah, that doesn't.
• 1:31:25
  Yeah but then again later on like the logic, level 6, the
• 1:31:29
  shadow step fucking great. So cool.
• 1:31:32
  Now, aboard 60 feet in dim, light or Darkness as a bonus
• 1:31:35
  action, and then you have advantage on the first melee
• 1:31:37
  attack you make before the end of your turn.
• 1:31:39
  Bernie. That's got some Ranger energy
• 1:31:41
  though because if you're always just fighting out in the Great
• 1:31:44
  Outdoors, right? Well it working on that one,
• 1:31:48
  right? Because he did use it like there
• 1:31:50
  was like certain limits that I was like, hey man.
• 1:31:52
  So like I'm not like I don't think you can you you'd like I
• 1:31:56
  don't think you should be able to use this for like a human and
• 1:32:00
  sneaky like you just helped her and he's like that's fair.
• 1:32:02
  There's like you know, GE something huge a table.
• 1:32:05
  It was like, all right. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:32:07
  You can do that. It would if you're like outside
• 1:32:09
  or whatever but like Like using dungeons used in cavewoman.
• 1:32:12
  What do you mean use a human do? Like let's say there's a human
• 1:32:16
  like a bandit and the Bandit is casting a shadow of the person
• 1:32:22
  you're talking about the shadow of the person shadow of the
• 1:32:24
  band. Yeah.
• 1:32:25
  Use the human being has like, what?
• 1:32:27
  Hell yeah. He tell you.
• 1:32:28
  You teleport. He became the Bandit.
• 1:32:30
  I gave him the stop block and then he went over and then he
• 1:32:34
  used the shit. Yeah.
• 1:32:35
  Eventually we had to like I was like I was like, I think I'm
• 1:32:39
  like, it doesn't really make sense.
• 1:32:40
  If you like like shadowing coming from someone like a human
• 1:32:44
  Shadow, who's like, shorter than you.
• 1:32:46
  I was like, that's kind of weird.
• 1:32:48
  Well, then you just do the thing where every time he's fighting
• 1:32:50
  the person shut. The sun is always behind him.
• 1:32:52
  So, just go the other way. Yeah.
• 1:32:56
  Although eventually Jose character when they got to the
• 1:33:00
  again, high-level nonsense eventually got this, spell
• 1:33:03
  called wall of Light. Which just Just stopped the
• 1:33:09
  shadow mode from doing anything because you have this giant beam
• 1:33:11
  of sunlight, this won't made of light and he's like my eyes.
• 1:33:16
  I can't do anything and Lily would get mad.
• 1:33:18
  And just send the car is like he's like bro, I can you
• 1:33:21
  teleport I can't get out. I'm fucked.
• 1:33:25
  Joe drug being like, but yeah, I do, but look all my damn.
• 1:33:27
  It was it on a damn it. Shouting panting mad.
• 1:33:34
  Oh my God. Yeah, he was.
• 1:33:36
  Yeah. Basically can go anywhere.
• 1:33:38
  You can do anything. He could be invisible.
• 1:33:42
  Yeah, just yeah. You just you just fuck people up
• 1:33:47
  I think. Yeah, he burps shadow.
• 1:33:49
  Look, he was a 33rd three-level Rogue and then the 17 level
• 1:33:53
  monk. So he The opportunist whenever a
• 1:33:57
  creatures within 5 feet of you is hit by an attack made by
• 1:34:01
  creature, other than you use your reaction to make a melee
• 1:34:04
  attack against that creature. Which is great if no one can see
• 1:34:09
  you and your in darkness and it's at nighttime and you're
• 1:34:11
  invisible and you cast The Darkness fell overboard there.
• 1:34:16
  But all right, not its actual precaution, I suppose.
• 1:34:23
  Yeah, also yeah. Again and then another like
• 1:34:26
  magic, monk monks would spells monks with magical abilities.
• 1:34:30
  It's cool. Yeah, but it's not just spells
• 1:34:33
  with this one, not just spells. Now that's why that's why I'm
• 1:34:36
  gonna smell like it. It's It's better.
• 1:34:39
  I stay. I'm still, I look, I will never
• 1:34:41
  be a fan of the subclass, give it you spells.
• 1:34:43
  I always find that lazy design wise but it's better with
• 1:34:47
  General monk. Well, this one because it's so
• 1:34:49
  dispels. The for suppose they give you
• 1:34:50
  are so specific. Yeah.
• 1:34:53
  What the flavor of the class is what the class is supposed to
• 1:34:56
  do. This is the monk who supposed to
• 1:34:58
  sneak in, I kidney punch, kidney punch and then you don't hear
• 1:35:01
  it. That's my problem.
• 1:35:04
  My problem will hear you don't see the kidney Punch.
• 1:35:07
  Yeah. Pissing blood for a week, you
• 1:35:08
  just died. It's also it's worth noting that
• 1:35:12
  that's another ability that you just get for freebies.
• 1:35:14
  It's just one of the things that you have.
• 1:35:15
  Now my problem is always with this subclass gives you spells
• 1:35:21
  from whatever list is that always feels less cool than
• 1:35:26
  getting a special ability from my sub class because getting
• 1:35:29
  spells is like oh here's some spells that the wizard can also
• 1:35:33
  cast. So, you're not really that cool,
• 1:35:36
  you know, like, I want, I think it's his abilities to be unique
• 1:35:39
  to the subclass, but because a spells are given to so many
• 1:35:43
  different things that you could be like, oh, look at my cool,
• 1:35:46
  subclass ability. This spell I cast and then the
• 1:35:48
  wizard cast the exact same spell next to you.
• 1:35:50
  And you're like, alright well why am I here then?
• 1:35:53
  Who I think it makes up for it, as the sixth level ability of
• 1:35:56
  the Shadow step. I feel like they're like, Shadow
• 1:35:59
  step is the main feature of this class, but we can't give it to
• 1:36:02
  them at third level. No, I know I get It it I just
• 1:36:05
  like, Shadow Arts. I wouldn't just give them dark
• 1:36:08
  vision Darkness bubble. I wouldn't give them a spell
• 1:36:10
  list. I would give them abilities that
• 1:36:12
  do like a similar thing. I would be like, you could
• 1:36:13
  create a darkness that you can see within also, you can like,
• 1:36:17
  give yourself advantage on stealth, checks, blah, blah,
• 1:36:19
  blah. Like, I do something along those
• 1:36:21
  lines, because then it feels more unique to your subclass,
• 1:36:24
  because that's kind of, the whole point is subclasses.
• 1:36:26
  Abilities, is they're supposed to feel really unique.
• 1:36:28
  It's that needs protection. But the Wizards hates me.
• 1:36:34
  But yeah, Shaolin Monks. I also just I really like open,
• 1:36:40
  I keep calling want to call it open Palm but I know it's called
• 1:36:42
  upper hand. Yeah, I really like classic.
• 1:36:45
  Yeah. Open thingies like, jab jab,
• 1:36:48
  quivering Palm is probably one of the coolest high level
• 1:36:51
  abilities class can get and the dragons real cool because Dragon
• 1:36:57
  monk, although they I don't remember what the Nerf.
• 1:37:00
  Was they nerfed one of the the high-level abilities?
• 1:37:04
  They like decrease the range of it and the Damage I've been
• 1:37:07
  pissed everybody off drugs. Whatever you like there's one
• 1:37:12
  more. Oh yeah Nashville yeah John
• 1:37:14
  Munch Everyone likes JoJo Monk Yeah.
• 1:37:21
  And so Mike went, I guess. Yeah.
• 1:37:23
  Do you guys want to? Yeah, I'll go first.
• 1:37:25
  I guess with the quintessential monk thing because I have a lot
• 1:37:29
  but like I couldn't like really specifically pick one because
• 1:37:32
  there's so many good examples. I just have to time to get that
• 1:37:36
  fun part, where Matt gives a bunch of examples that I
• 1:37:38
  disagree with. Let's go.
• 1:37:39
  Well, no, I'm only going to get I'll give mine and then when we
• 1:37:43
  the three of us give I can give a couple of examples here
• 1:37:46
  because it's a lot. It's a lot.
• 1:37:49
  Shit. Most of these are for cop from
• 1:37:51
  Comics or TV or anime or whatever the fuck the one I'm
• 1:37:55
  gonna go with it. These are from all mediums ever?
• 1:37:59
  Yeah, cool. Cool memes.
• 1:38:00
  Yeah, every single one, I'm gonna go with Doug, you know,
• 1:38:04
  Daredevil because I know a lot of people that actually tried to
• 1:38:07
  do this in D&D. I think he fits the bill of like
• 1:38:11
  the guy, you know, at one with himself, he uses the the this
• 1:38:17
  where the sticks. He uses the stabs.
• 1:38:18
  Where those you'll scream of sticks.
• 1:38:20
  Yeah, he's uses those. He's got the blind sense.
• 1:38:24
  Thing is a thing that I know so many people who play D&D and
• 1:38:27
  play monk, specifically want to do you?
• 1:38:30
  That's a thing. Like they want to be the either
• 1:38:33
  on the Blind Monk. Or I'm the monk with the super
• 1:38:36
  liked off, heightened, senses around me want to movies about
• 1:38:40
  that. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:38:41
  It's a it's a, I don't want to say it's a Trope of a monk but
• 1:38:45
  it's like it's a thing. It's not a thing that someone
• 1:38:49
  Josie. It's a month to be able to do.
• 1:38:50
  Not mean that's a Trope. Okay.
• 1:38:52
  Then. Yeah, Trope.
• 1:38:53
  Yeah, but I'm going to and yeah, just look like that actress
• 1:38:58
  fucking beat a brawler. Yeah, I just I think Daredevils
• 1:39:03
  pretty pretty good. Example.
• 1:39:04
  I would say the least my mind both, you know, when he's in the
• 1:39:10
  black ninja outfit and like red devil man, what about that?
• 1:39:14
  Hot yellow though? Man, the gold crawl.
• 1:39:18
  Staying with the red leotard. He's slamming She-Hulk right
• 1:39:22
  now. You can't wait.
• 1:39:23
  We're going to have the weirdest kids.
• 1:39:25
  I was talking about the OG comic outfit where he's fucking
• 1:39:29
  yellow. Do that?
• 1:39:31
  Well, that's what he's in Marvel now.
• 1:39:32
  Yeah, but the da-da-da-da-da boy.
• 1:39:39
  Yeah. I know he's dying.
• 1:39:45
  Matt, shut up. I'm muting myself again.
• 1:39:50
  You gonna sound like an idiot? Yeah.
• 1:39:55
  What about? What about you guys Josh?
• 1:39:56
  Which is a good examples. I was gonna wait.
• 1:39:59
  I Josh I do the thing where I say it I'm not repeating myself.
• 1:40:06
  If I say one of yours which I don't think I will be but, you
• 1:40:09
  know, just in case. Yeah.
• 1:40:11
  What's your, what's your quintessential?
• 1:40:13
  My fucking guests. My-my cooked essential is a very
• 1:40:18
  all right, the very specific version of this character
• 1:40:23
  talking about the old version this character.
• 1:40:24
  Because I don't really feel like the new version fits this Vibe
• 1:40:27
  anymore but the old version when he was a young child did, it's
• 1:40:30
  Goku but specifically K, check them off the box.
• 1:40:35
  I had him on here. Yeah Kid Goku with with the
• 1:40:40
  Dragon Ball and the Nimbus you know, Son Goku The Monkey King.
• 1:40:45
  It's Goku. Is that example Goku?
• 1:40:48
  Yeah he does the running on the walls.
• 1:40:50
  He does the kids like he catching arrows and bullshit.
• 1:40:52
  He has the weird Key Energy nonsense, obviously, because
• 1:40:54
  coming from new Goku, I don't really think is a monk anymore
• 1:40:58
  because dbe's he's gotten that like, gotten insane.
• 1:41:01
  But I would say, what point do you easy?
• 1:41:03
  Do you think he stopped becoming a monk?
• 1:41:05
  I know he's a son. Soul monk, yes or no.
• 1:41:08
  But DBZ so Opie and over the top and ridiculous.
• 1:41:10
  He basically is doing wizard level bullsh.
• 1:41:12
  Like he's so out there that I don't call him a monkey anymore.
• 1:41:15
  He's just a different thing I think old Goku yes new Goku it's
• 1:41:20
  their gods and all this other bullshit it's just too much.
• 1:41:24
  I don't I don't think new Goku applies to any class.
• 1:41:26
  I don't think you can apply it to anything.
• 1:41:28
  He's too over-the-top. I think he mostly stopped
• 1:41:32
  becoming a monk after rabbits. After the really big DBZ.
• 1:41:38
  Yeah. Once he started fighting Vegeta
• 1:41:41
  and the kaio-ken stuff started really ramping up the Spirit
• 1:41:44
  Bomb and it, yeah, like some of the astral self ability,
• 1:41:47
  specifically are like, this is definitely Dragonball reference
• 1:41:50
  like, later on where it's like. Yeah, they can gain like, you
• 1:41:54
  know, they they fucking glow and shit, and they can't fucking
• 1:41:57
  Sprint. Real there's references, but
• 1:42:00
  it's like, flying DBZ got so focused on the keep our
• 1:42:04
  bullshit. Hit that it just doesn't fit
• 1:42:06
  that Vibe anymore. I guess so they're a little bit.
• 1:42:10
  There's still a little bit of martial arts e reference in
• 1:42:12
  there, but not the same as when it was Dragon Ball.
• 1:42:21
  Yeah, we're bad. And then I have the, the
• 1:42:26
  prescribed Isaiah says something really weird.
• 1:42:30
  Yeah. I mean I think the easiest one
• 1:42:32
  is real like reuse a monk like Ryu from Street Fighter oh Mom
• 1:42:38
  and said Ryu from do I don't know.
• 1:42:40
  I don't play fighting EDI. No hater bet.
• 1:42:43
  It's the only dude I'm a I know Mortal Kombat.
• 1:42:49
  You wait. All right.
• 1:42:51
  Well I wouldn't have to be hot dog.
• 1:42:53
  This is gonna be even worse is so he's the guy in the white
• 1:42:57
  with the red head down. He's gone, dude, in the red.
• 1:42:59
  Okay, no, all right, cool, thank you, both monks.
• 1:43:03
  Okay, no, no. I'm asking because I don't know
• 1:43:05
  shit about street fighting Ken and Ryu count, okay?
• 1:43:09
  I'm sorry if he was like Mortal Kombat, and I'll be like, yeah,
• 1:43:12
  that's cool. And I know that guy, I don't
• 1:43:17
  believe that it's the projector. Actually gonna go.
• 1:43:26
  Holy shit. Mortal Combat with the headband.
• 1:43:34
  You don't know who it is. I didn't know his name.
• 1:43:36
  I just thought he was preceded by this day, but you thought his
• 1:43:39
  name was Street Fighter? Yeah, I'm gonna need it after
• 1:43:43
  him, right? He's made this dress.
• 1:43:49
  Cars, you did not just say my bed, reuse Dame Street Fighter.
• 1:43:54
  You thought his name was John mix?
• 1:43:55
  Treat like his birth certificate because I'm sure my shit about
• 1:44:01
  35. No, nothing,
• 1:44:13
  same energy, the fuck out of here.
• 1:44:16
  One examines his name is Metroid.
• 1:44:19
  Mmm, God damn, this is Haley. This is calling Master, Chief
• 1:44:24
  mr. Halo that's what this is.
• 1:44:28
  And are you playing Halo again? No Mom, this is The Witcher.
• 1:44:32
  Damn anyway, Isaiah my weird one is a fro from Afro Samurai.
• 1:44:38
  Oh shit, I froze again, dude! Fuck.
• 1:44:40
  Yeah, I'm Sandra is awesome. Okay why?
• 1:44:45
  Why are let's say you make him pretty indicative of being
• 1:44:53
  actually a monk, right? Right.
• 1:44:55
  You have like your focus mode and they specifically say that,
• 1:44:58
  Headbands do Grant you a modicum of power which you can use to
• 1:45:01
  like a move really fast and deflect wet like bullshit
• 1:45:04
  stratum deflect bullets like you can catch bullets and throw them
• 1:45:07
  back at people with his sword which is kind of fucking wild.
• 1:45:10
  Yeah. So can he like, he can't run up
• 1:45:13
  walls in the same way that a monkey?
• 1:45:15
  Just walk up a wall and then like, he'll only slide down here
• 1:45:20
  on the side of the wall is to say, we've hardly seen him run
• 1:45:23
  across the side of a wall and jump.
• 1:45:25
  Also, when he has the number one headband, He no longer feels the
• 1:45:29
  effects of age which they called immortality, but he does get
• 1:45:31
  visibly older. Even though he has the number
• 1:45:33
  one had been also, I like the you ever watch the behind the
• 1:45:38
  scenes with the Creator when he like talking about like the
• 1:45:40
  design of Afro Samurai and like the story and everything he
• 1:45:43
  leaves. Like what if I just made a
• 1:45:46
  basketball player? Samurai you're like wait, you're
• 1:45:49
  like wait a minute. I just want you to be able to
• 1:45:52
  jump real good. Don't think basketball player.
• 1:45:55
  You're like, hold up. Yeah.
• 1:45:58
  He also does do that the Samurai Jack you can fly.
• 1:46:00
  No jump good like don't good. Yeah and he for somehow just
• 1:46:05
  shrug off the worst ailment he gets Poisoned With like fucking
• 1:46:09
  cyanide or some shit. He passes out.
• 1:46:11
  But he gets back up and he's like okay we gotta keep moving
• 1:46:13
  and starts walking again. You're like afro.
• 1:46:15
  How are you doing this? You also I was at 10,000 feet
• 1:46:19
  elevation and I almost fucking killed over a froze at 20,000 FT
• 1:46:22
  elevation climbing Mount Everest with no oxygen tank and they
• 1:46:26
  have oxygen tanks because ninja ninja uses one.
• 1:46:28
  So, yeah, he's just walking. He just, he literally did the
• 1:46:30
  fucking the monk, like, like, kick stuff off of dust off of
• 1:46:35
  shoulder. Just refuses the, but the
• 1:46:37
  fucking ailment. There's a character named ninja
• 1:46:40
  ninja. Yeah, that's a weird imaginary
• 1:46:42
  friend /. Actual to being who's also
• 1:46:45
  aren't you? Technically a god of the
• 1:46:46
  universe? Yeah, I'ma bring over my box.
• 1:46:51
  I Josh, we're gonna watch Afro Samurai one day.
• 1:46:54
  Yeah, I know, I know you're drunk and watch out for Sam
• 1:46:56
  right away. Is that you're more?
• 1:47:01
  Committal answer is a pro. No, it's my weird answer that
• 1:47:04
  all stat works completely in 100%.
• 1:47:06
  I was gonna say I don't think that's that weird as of an
• 1:47:08
  answer not just unexpected, probably if I don't fuck is it
• 1:47:12
  obscured now little laterally hundred percent because that's
• 1:47:24
  no one really knows who that is is the first Kamen Rider, the
• 1:47:27
  masked rider specifically, but like, hey, I've been on a weird
• 1:47:30
  coming Rider kick lately. So everybody would have expected
• 1:47:32
  me to see iCarly. Writer everything is coming
• 1:47:34
  Riders. I see it now.
• 1:47:35
  It's all those literally. Okay.
• 1:47:37
  All right. Well I'm gonna pull a Sam.
• 1:47:38
  If anyone who played the Sonic, the Hedgehog cake I got Sonic
• 1:47:43
  Colors, he does the call-outs with the Wisps, which are direct
• 1:47:47
  reference to Kamen Rider. Double, and amazingly, any
• 1:47:50
  writer after that series, that does, like, the weird call-outs.
• 1:47:53
  Like, Vulcan the one who's, like, Ruiz out.
• 1:47:55
  What he has to open his key thing.
• 1:47:56
  It says all Italy activates it. That's literally a thing that
• 1:48:00
  they didn't colors as a direct reference.
• 1:48:02
  Yes, as a Reference count Rider. And one of the reasons why we
• 1:48:06
  know it is that they literally hired the guy who does all of
• 1:48:09
  the call-outs for Kamen Rider as the guy who did them in the
• 1:48:12
  Japanese dub for Sonic Colors. Nice.
• 1:48:16
  They also come out at the same fucking time.
• 1:48:21
  Okay, I was gonna say, I don't think I don't think afros that
• 1:48:25
  weird pick especially comparison to like Obi-Wan oh yeah.
• 1:48:30
  I was going to say yeah it was a weird one.
• 1:48:39
  What else? Yeah, I did how I should have
• 1:48:40
  said, Ashura from washers, right?
• 1:48:44
  That one - I just thought I did. Ya do who was on the list?
• 1:48:48
  Yeah, I froze. Very good.
• 1:48:51
  A lot of comic book characters, you know, Iron Fist,
• 1:48:54
  Nightcrawler apparently. Now I mean Iron Fist is leg
• 1:48:58
  literally that a monk Batman, I don't know.
• 1:49:03
  No, I all right, hold on, I need to say something.
• 1:49:05
  I just need to say so. All right.
• 1:49:07
  We've gone through a lot of the class list at this point.
• 1:49:09
  So it's a little late for me to saying this, nobody's allowed to
• 1:49:12
  pick Batman for I don't even care if it fits.
• 1:49:14
  I'm so sick and tired of hearing Batman is X D&D character.
• 1:49:17
  Nobody's allowed to pick Batman, huh.
• 1:49:19
  Fuck that man. Hi, I'm so sick and tired of the
• 1:49:22
  argument line about what D&D character.
• 1:49:24
  Batman is some, mighty Fame, will find a way to justify how
• 1:49:27
  Batman secretly aware. Why are you hanging?
• 1:49:29
  He's just so cool. Josh, why you can break all your
• 1:49:32
  toys hating on Annie three superheroes?
• 1:49:34
  I hate What else? I like, I looked up a list.
• 1:49:43
  Someone's like Rock Lee dot dot dot actually.
• 1:49:47
  Just anyone from Naruto? I'm not, I disagree with that
• 1:49:50
  statement, they're all fucking Wizards.
• 1:49:51
  Exactly, give you Rock Lee. I ain't giving you everyone from
• 1:49:56
  Naruto. I'll give you right now.
• 1:49:58
  No, I'm with Josh. There's a couple of characters
• 1:50:00
  who are like you could maybe like Neji maybe broccoli is an
• 1:50:04
  easy one obviously Guy. Sensei also obviously.
• 1:50:07
  Yeah but like not. And Sasuke, get the fuck at it
• 1:50:11
  and they say, think they run and they find the wizard.
• 1:50:15
  My by definition Naruto is a fucking sorcerer.
• 1:50:18
  Okay. Well remember, technically,
• 1:50:20
  Naruto was originally supposed to be a Harry Potter in
• 1:50:24
  Missouri. Yeah.
• 1:50:26
  And then they changed it because it wasn't wasn't good.
• 1:50:29
  It wasn't a good concept was idea.
• 1:50:31
  I like the idea of you know, it wasn't good.
• 1:50:39
  If we make them ninjas, that'll make it good.
• 1:50:41
  Oh you know I like like because it really was like What if
• 1:50:46
  Japanese wizard? No no scratch that.
• 1:50:49
  What if Japanese ninja wizard genius?
• 1:50:53
  Perfect. What the fuck left on a plate?
• 1:50:57
  All right, anyway, what else? Yeah, Avatar.
• 1:51:00
  Obviously the you know, Last Airbender Korra all Comics, all
• 1:51:04
  the characters are some form of monk-like.
• 1:51:07
  They literally all the bendings are based on some sort of
• 1:51:10
  martial arts. It always feels weird, calling
• 1:51:14
  any characters from Avatar. I think I think that the big
• 1:51:21
  thing with the vendors right is take away their magic and
• 1:51:24
  there's just as effective as Fighters like they can still
• 1:51:28
  fuck your entire shit up because they're still learning real
• 1:51:30
  martial arts. Hmm.
• 1:51:33
  Maybe. Maybe not so much for I believe.
• 1:51:39
  Waterbending this Tai Chi. Yeah.
• 1:51:40
  Just thinking that are you. Yeah.
• 1:51:42
  But everybody else can and will fucking White Lotus they can and
• 1:51:47
  will fuck your entire shit up. Wasn't waterbending like mostly
• 1:51:52
  based on like defensive techniques like it smells like
• 1:51:56
  this for the primary area which is like a meditative thing which
• 1:52:00
  makes sense for a waterbending. It's and then when you have one,
• 1:52:05
  One last anime, one Spike Spiegel of Cowboy Bebop, I'm
• 1:52:09
  sorry what? Yeah, yeah, whatever yeah Spike.
• 1:52:12
  Yeah, whatever. Yeah dude.
• 1:52:13
  He just he kicked he kicked real good and then sometimes any like
• 1:52:18
  special spiritual Powers though. Okay.
• 1:52:22
  So here's the thing. If you could see my face right
• 1:52:27
  now, it's a think Spike. He do that.
• 1:52:33
  He do that funk shui though which is kind of the whole time
• 1:52:44
  jet is like this is bullshit Fung shui isn't real and then
• 1:52:47
  spikes like Navarro that shit's real Spike Spiegel knows Jeet
• 1:52:53
  Kune Do really good with a gun also function, I don't know.
• 1:52:56
  I feel like to qualify as a D&D monk.
• 1:52:58
  You have to have some magical ability, but all right, how
• 1:53:01
  about this? Isn't magical sir.
• 1:53:04
  Hey Josh, I'll help you out, he's against a monk with a gun.
• 1:53:07
  There you go. He's not buing the gun with his
• 1:53:10
  literal cheese and viewing window function way.
• 1:53:12
  Which is it helps the main better sources that he made it
• 1:53:15
  the fuck? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:53:17
  Stretch it on this one. All right sources, vary much, he
• 1:53:21
  made it the fuck up here. Oh yeah, proper American.
• 1:53:25
  Look Jet right here. Sorry spike.
• 1:53:27
  Is that monk? That every monk plays where they
• 1:53:29
  don't want to play a Buddhist man and they're like, I'm a
• 1:53:32
  street fighter. Sir, I'm just a brawler.
• 1:53:33
  I'm mr. Street Fighter 2 Guys box.
• 1:53:36
  Shut up. I'm getting the next few days.
• 1:53:40
  I'm going to stab you. I can't believe Matt and
• 1:53:42
  ironically hit us with his Ryu from Street.
• 1:53:45
  I know this is the dog. I know that guy.
• 1:53:50
  That's exactly what this is exactly what this is.
• 1:53:58
  I hate this so much Carl. How did you just make me more?
• 1:54:02
  Mad man. No, I'm more sad.
• 1:54:05
  But I need some fucking mad cajon's IQ just like actually
• 1:54:09
  realization of like, what I've done by somebody.
• 1:54:11
  Give me a shot now. Oh my god.
• 1:54:14
  Oh yeah. What's that guy in the red?
• 1:54:18
  What's his brothers called? What does that dude, brother?
• 1:54:38
  Oh my God. What did you say to me?
• 1:54:49
  And his name is Ken. So I just I just think he's not
• 1:54:57
  even the same nationality fucking Christ.
• 1:55:04
  I can't believe you just said that.
• 1:55:07
  I'm actually a poll that you right now.
• 1:55:09
  No, thanks are pixels. Had the voice actors from the
• 1:55:47
  game has been langdon's, Dante as well.
• 1:55:50
  Two boys, one of the characters. So yes, they did.
• 1:55:53
  In fact. Mmm, mmm.
• 1:55:55
  I see. Grab Skeeter.
• 1:56:00
  No, I don't know what I'm gonna have to cut together.
• 1:56:09
  He immediately, you comment and this review comment and put them
• 1:56:12
  in the water because yeah, that was something I do that.
• 1:56:17
  That was something and the girl, it's not.
• 1:56:19
  It's just there, right? God damn it.
• 1:56:22
  Anyway, that's racist. He's Japanese and she's Chinese.
• 1:56:29
  Bill at, oh my God. Healthy balance of D&D needs.
• 1:56:34
  But right now. All right.
• 1:56:36
  Final closing actual thoughts on the monk before I bury myself in
• 1:56:41
  a deeper hole when it comes to shoot vital.
• 1:56:48
  Give me a real Samurai, Monk. Okay, that's it.
• 1:56:53
  I got ya. Let me let me do more.
• 1:56:55
  Let me tell ya. No, actual thought.
• 1:56:57
  Let me fucking punch more. Let my punches scale, please,
• 1:57:00
  I'm this is this three punches for an eternity at best.
• 1:57:04
  Sorry. For punches at bet.
• 1:57:05
  Now, get that weak shit out of here.
• 1:57:07
  Yeah. You think they just think I like
• 1:57:11
  Fighters. Yeah, you I could say.
• 1:57:13
  Fuck it to the detent for like here.
• 1:57:15
  Let me stick with the d8 and give me six fucking punches.
• 1:57:17
  That's all I want. Just give me more.
• 1:57:21
  Josh do to your initial comment as a I would say make Samurai
• 1:57:30
  fighter better but anyway, are never gonna do that.
• 1:57:36
  I think I think Samurai and fighter work better than Monk
• 1:57:39
  and Samurai. But anyway, what if you
• 1:57:41
  multi-class you could say it's the only way to make a samurai
• 1:57:45
  character that doesn't feel like garbage.
• 1:57:48
  I don't know, then just, I do Master just figure out the
• 1:57:51
  money. Sports here at monk just figure
• 1:57:53
  out. Monks got what the fuck their
• 1:57:56
  identity is supposed to be go from there?
• 1:57:59
  No, I think they just need. I think they have a little
• 1:58:01
  identity crisis and they need it.
• 1:58:02
  They need a niche that they fall into and they don't really have
• 1:58:05
  one at the moment. That's really what the problem
• 1:58:08
  is. And for me gonna pull out the
• 1:58:14
  old book of Sam here. Monk is cool.
• 1:58:19
  Dot dot dot. Shut the fuck up.
• 1:58:21
  All you been maxing munchkins? God I hate you all so much.
• 1:58:24
  Stop it. Fuck.
• 1:58:26
  I mean look I'm not gonna play school, not gonna play with the
• 1:58:28
  men's magazine munchkins anyway so they can rant into the void,
• 1:58:31
  whatever. It's fine.
• 1:58:32
  I just Pulling the monks. I know you.
• 1:58:37
  I know you wanted to be better. I do too but stop.
• 1:58:40
  Well, it's about. It's about how they do the
• 1:58:42
  bullying. I think, you know.
• 1:58:43
  Yeah. But, uh, yeah, that has been
• 1:58:49
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• 1:58:54
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• 1:58:57
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• 1:58:59
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