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House of the Dragon S2 with Costume Designer, Caroline McCall · The Art of Costume Podcast

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Hello, welcome to the Art of Costume podcast.
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I'm Rosa Joy Glass. And I am Aegon Targaryen.
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You could just call me Spencer. You would be an Aegon.
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You would be an Aegon. They'd be like, what's what,
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what, what generic name can we give this one?
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There's too many Aegons. I'm going to be real.
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There's too many. That's why I go by Spencer
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because there's just, you know. Anyways, welcome to our costume
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podcast. Today's episode is all about the
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House of the Dragon. Yes.
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One of our favorite TV shows. We love this show.
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I mean, we're big Game of Thrones people, Yeah, we've done
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a House of the Dragon episode before.
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Season 1. For season 1, which feels like
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eternities ago it. Was years ago now.
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But we just we love season 2 and we'll talk about plus we have a
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special guest today, so. We do.
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We're like. Well, time to do House of the
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Dragon again. Should we get into it?
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What? What happens this season?
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Let's. Get into it.
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Give us a summary. As the war between Ranira and
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the High Towers heat up, each side suffers devastating losses.
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But Ranira finds an unexpected way to strengthen her army, and
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that is Season 2 of House of the Dragon.
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It literally is. It's just like murder, murder,
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death. Murder.
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Murder. Preparation.
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Yeah, obviously it's going to go down in season 3 and we know
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that for sure. Yeah.
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You know, we're nerds and we we're prepared for this sort of
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thing. We've.
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Checked it out. We've been like, so what's going
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to? Happen.
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We've sussed it out. So this felt like the prep
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season, but. It was.
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Even though it was, I feel like the costumes were extraordinary.
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Oh, they killed it. So let's go behind the costumes.
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We have a showrunner, Ryan J Condell, and costume designer
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Caroline McCall. You'll know work from seasons
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three and four of Downton Abbey, Will Jamestown, and His Dark
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Materials. I know some of these shows.
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You do. I've been wanting to start
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Downton Abbey so badly. It's something I know I'm going
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to fall in love with, but just it feels like there's so much
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I've been afraid to dip my toes in sane.
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Anyways, let's get to House of the Dragon.
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It's such a good season. Like we said, Carolyn McCall was
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fantastic. I feel like the costumes felt a
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little bit even more elevated in Season 2.
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Yeah, maybe because I just. They knew that it was happening.
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You know, Season 1 could have gone either way.
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Yeah, I loved it. But after the downfall of Game
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of Thrones, so to say, which a whole other episode, people
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weren't sure if House of Dragons going to work out.
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Also, House of the Dragon they had they had two separate casts
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almost and it spread was spread over so much more time.
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So they really had to be like, OK, what what is it for the
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younger crowd? Was it for the older crowd?
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Like, you know, they even had some like flashbacks like when
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her father became king, right. So they they we're working with
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uncertainty and just a lot of material in Season 1.
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Yeah, and they were. It's hard to settle on like the
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look of the show when the look changes every other episode.
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So Season 2, I really feel like it starts to settle and we start
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to see like these changes in Ramira.
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And I mean, I was going to say Damon, but he goes on like a
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side quest to a haunted Luigi's mansion for like the entire
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season. He has like a forced like find
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yourself quest in a Haunted Mansion.
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Let's get it all out of the way though, you know, because I
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don't want any like. They're like, Damon, we need you
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in tip top shape, so get over it.
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Yeah, exactly. So Caroline McCall joined me in
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studio for an interview the other day to talk about House of
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the Dragon, and we got to talk about everything.
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We talked about her inspirations, her research into
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medieval times, which is really what she went back to for also
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the Dragon which. Is something.
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I always wondered, like, is that an obvious thing, you know?
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So I asked her about that. We talked, of course, about
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Rainiera. We talked about Harrenhal and
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Damon's Luigi's mansion journey, and we spent a lot of time
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talking about episode 4, I believe, the Rooks Rest battle,
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where we see lots of dragon fire, lots of barbecued
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soldiers, lots. Of devastation?
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Lots. Of devastation.
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So we really got to get into all that.
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It was a great conversation and I hope you all enjoy.
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After this break, Caroline McCall will be here.
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Can't wait to listen. Hi, I'm Dan, who does all the
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I am so happy to welcome to the podcast the costume designer for
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House of the Dragon Season 2 and on costume designer Caroline
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McCall. How are you?
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Well, thank. You before we get into it, I
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just have to say congratulations on this series.
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It's it's difficult to put to words just how beloved this
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series is coming into season 2. It just look so incredible.
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The costumes are, of course, amazing.
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The action. I mean, people love this show.
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And you were also nominated for the prestigious Excellent and
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Sci-fi Fantasy Television CDG Award, which is amazing.
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So what has this experience been like?
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Seeing the love for the show and the costumes as the fans begin
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to engage with your work in that second season.
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Yes, it's quite extraordinary really and and really, really
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lovely. Really the the first, my first
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encounter with with fans really was that we did a Comic Con.
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We went along to a Comic Con and it's just it, it's incredible
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the work that people go into to create, to create our work.
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And they'd only been a trailer, they'd only seen a trailer
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Series 2 and some people had turned, we knew you were coming,
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so had to be from Series 2. So had tried to recreate and
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recreate it amazingly from little snippets, some of our
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work from Series 2. So it's it's the highest one of
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the battery really. Let's talk about your
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preparation for the series House of the Dragon.
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It's so much about, it's so much more than just, you know, the
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blacks and greens. It's not a simple color palette
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show. I imagine there must have been a
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lot of preparation. Gain yourself into the mindset
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of Westeros. Research museums.
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What? What did that look like for you
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trying to get into that Westerosi mindset?
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So the brief, the brief really for this show is it's a it's a
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real world, but it just happens to have Dragons.
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So you and it's the same with any it's the same with any
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project really. You're looking at the social,
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political and economic situation people are in all manner of
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things. But along with that with
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Westeros becomes this whole history of the entire world.
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And so it's a, it's a deep, deep dive into that.
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And obviously I watched Game of Thrones and and obviously series
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1 as well. And then trying to work out, you
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know, obviously some the political situation is different
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and some of the houses are quite different in our time period to
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move from. But it's looking had to take go
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across the whole of Westeros and figure out where everywhere the
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geography and who's aligned with who.
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And, you know, it's was, it's a lot of research, yeah.
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Yeah, So let's before we dive into the individual characters,
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I've kind of like to set the scene a little bit because, you
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know, season 2, it's really setting the board for this huge
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war that's about to begin. You know, there's some conflicts
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have happened here and there, but we really haven't, you know,
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hit the go button on on this huge conflict that's about to
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come. And what I think it's
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interesting in terms of the costumes is, you know, the
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Greens of King's Landing, they're now moving into, they
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have the throne. So they, I feel like they get a
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little bit more opulent. They're not really too concerned
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with dressing to prepare for war.
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But Rainier and the blacks, they really feel like they're kind of
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a little bit more mentalist and taking this a little bit more
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seriously. Was that intentional and how you
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want to display the costumes in Season 2?
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Yes, I thought there was a natural, there was a natural
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transition for me coming into Series 2 in terms of where these
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houses were and that were nearest now in Dragonstone and
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the Greens have taken King's Landing and I felt that the
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costumes were series one. But King's Landing had a kind of
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a medi traditional medieval feel to it.
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And that that sort of showed that perhaps the saris's role
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that had been peaceful and he'd he'd assimilated into Westerosi
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culture. But actually the Targaryens and
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the Valerians are from old Valeria, which for me
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represented the ancient civilizations, all the
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technology and finery that those ancient civilizations had.
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And, and I felt that when Raniera is really trying to
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claim that she is the queen, that she is the one true queen,
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that she's leaning heavily into her Targaryen heritage.
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And so that side of the family, they all start dressing in a
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more Targaryen fashion. And that was heavily influenced
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by I loved what Jenny had done with the dragon keepers and the
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the rap over style. And I also felt that Daenerys in
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as the as the last Targaryen in Game of Thrones that she would
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have been leaning. There was always a Targaryen
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influence in her clothing. And it got more so towards the
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latter series. But you know the the scale
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smoking a silhouette. So I wanted the Targaryens to
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feel that they had their own silhouette and their own style,
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which is different to the clothing worn by the high
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towers, by King's Landing. Right, let's dive into Queen
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Rainier. Well, in my mind, Queen Renira,
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she's going through a tremendous amount in this season, grappling
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with grief and anxiety of this impending war that, you know, in
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ways she feels like is totally unnecessary because this is over
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one huge disagreement and also just how costly this war is
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going to be. It feels like it really wears on
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her. But then we have this moment
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where she has this conversation with Allison and the keep, and
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you can just tell that her mindset kind of shifts from
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feeling kind of sorry about this to like, all right, we need to
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get this done. And I feel like with that brings
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this evolution for Rainiera and her costumes going forward where
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she feels a little bit more moving into this powerful role.
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I'd love for you to talk about Rainiera, the season and kind of
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the costume story we see for Rainiera.
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So we she starts at the beginning of the series, she's
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much more in a sort of dress silhouette and the scaled
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textures and opulent fabrics. And then as we move throughout
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the series, she's becoming she's transforming into the dragon
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ride, more of the dragon rider that she is.
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So the silhouette shifts and it gets slimmer and more practical
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for dragon riding. So to give the impression that,
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you know, she can she could go on our dragon if she needs to.
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And but also there is maintaining her regal status.
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You know, there is still a feeling of and being a monarch
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about it, even though it's more practical.
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Yeah, it feels like Rainier is staying ready so she doesn't
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have to get ready. Yeah, well, let's talk about
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Allison as well. Allison finds herself wielding
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significant power this season, but begins to slip away as this
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council evolves. Her children take control
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becomes more of a men's club once again and Allison starts to
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push away from it. Can you walk us through what we
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see with Allison and her costumes in Season 2?
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Well, we start off with her very much in the green like a true
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green of of the Hightown house. And as the season goes on, we
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kind of it kind of heads more from the green into the tail.
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And then by the end when she meets for her meeting with
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Raniera, they're both in the colors of their childhoods.
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When that final meeting is like the first.
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I wanted to echo the first time we see them together in Series
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1, where Rainier is in Gray and Allison's in blue, where she's
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trying to shift Allison's really trying to get herself out of
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this mess that she's created. But so, but then, you know, in
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the middle of the in the middle of the season when they meet in
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the grand Sept, Allison's praying in the grand Sept and
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she's in this green dress and it is, it's embroidered with and
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it's actually embroidered. It's all waves and thorns.
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And she has a sort of reference to waves and thorns in her
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embroidery sort of throughout the show to show the that the
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tango web she's woven herself, the the the mess that is of her
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own creation. But what that's symbolizing.
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But she's trapped. She's trapped herself in this by
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making some terrible decisions. Well, that's one of my favorite
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costumes too. It just really speaks to this
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like huge failure of communication that has led to
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this huge disaster. It makes you want to shake them.
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Let's talk about we're all huge fans of Emma Darcy and Olivia
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Cook. They are incredible in this
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series. And you know, we've I love the
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arcs of these two characters go on in second season.
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I just want to ask you, was it like collaborating with these
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two incredible cast members? Well, an absolute joy.
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They are fantastic actors and it is wonderful collaborating with
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them and having their input to and where we where we want to
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take the characters and what little, little tidbits we hide
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in their, in their costumes. You know, the clothes are so
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completely different to contemporary clothing and so you
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can't help but they were completely different once you
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put them on. And particularly for some of the
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people wearing armor, you know, that is a completely different
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feeling. And to kind of and feel like
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you've put on the clothing of war.
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Yeah. You know, for example, when when
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we created Bethany, he plays Bailers dragon riding costume.
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That was a real that was a that was a real treat with her
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chainmail sleeves. And that's such a good one.
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Yeah. Another character that I feel
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like wears a lot of great costumes I love but also goes on
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such interesting journey this season is of course Damon,
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played by Matt Smith. He's on his own journey that has
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a lot of darkness, rain, spooky witchcraft, all sorts of things.
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So what was your approach to work of Damon and this very
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eerie quest 'cause it almost feels like in ways it could, you
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could have approached it like a whole different show with this
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character cause the setting is just so different.
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And he, I mean, he goes through dream sequences and he's in.
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There's a lot happening for poor Damon in this season.
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Well, basically we wanted we wanted Damon to have a wardrobe
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of clothes and a just a couple of outfits that he would have
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had with him when he went. So he's not expecting to be
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there the next time. I think that he owned things
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that happened to him. So it's really important that
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his his clothes, his, you know, his gambus and under his armor
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and his shirt. And then he has another dragon
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riding Leathers that they felt like, they just feel like
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Damon's clothes. And then whatever scenario he's
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in, getting up on the night of throwing something on that, it
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just feels appropriate. Part of his wardrobe.
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Yeah. Practical is either his armor or
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it's his clothes for dragon riding.
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And I think that, you know, we'd left, I left, left his frivolity
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around behind it from Series 1, you know, he's sort of stranded.
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Yeah. He's stranded in Harrenhal.
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Very few possessions and he's just got to to rough it.
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Yeah, basically. It's so funny to think about.
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Yeah, because he couldn't wear his dragon armor every single
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day. Yeah, no.
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So for the rest of this interview I'd love to focus on a
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specific episode that I just think is so fantastic.
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Episode 4 the red dragon and the gold, the devastating battle
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that takes place at Rooks Rest. First, can we just talk about
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your team? It is such a massive episode and
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these armies come together. I mean, there's metal working,
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there's leather working, there's not to.
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Mention. The dragon fire that is burning,
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you know, armor and breaking down.
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All these costumes, Yeah. Can we talk about dragon fire
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for a minute? Yeah, because I think, I think
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the general public when they say people burning, I think that's a
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visual effect, but it's not, it's not we we dress dunk men up
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and we set them alight. So all so all those people
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burning at Rick's rest in episode 4 and in at the Dragon
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Sage episode and being burnt by dragon they are.
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Very nice stuntman who has been dressed up and set alike so I
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mean. People don't realize that that
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is a big part of the costume process, too.
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Like you have to think about, I mean, tell us about how you
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break these costumes down. Well, I'm very that's that's
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that's another that's another part that is so important in
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this trying to create a real world, you know, and where, you
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know, in a world where clothing is an A necessity and would have
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been very expensive. So, you know, whatever you have,
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you're going to wear it, wear it.
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So everything has to look really lived in.
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So it's really important. The breakdown department are
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really important to make everything look real once it's
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going to set when it's going to set and then be there when we're
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doing battles or, you know, to to cover things in in soot and
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dirt and blood and try and and and make it look real.
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So yes we have, we have my tattoos and the work making
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workshop and then we have a dyeing and breakdown workshop
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and the leather workshop and the Armory workshop and we
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facilitate we we shoot 2 units at the same time the majority of
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the shoot. So whilst we were some of whilst
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we were on location at Rick's Rest with those armies we also
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had had we also have a unit at least in studios and we're also
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shooting the Dragon Siege episode at the same time for
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other big episode. I'm getting stressed out and it
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happened like 2. Three years ago, yeah.
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Yeah. So it's a, it's a massive feat
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of organization and. And then, you know, you just,
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you don't have one costume. You need to have multiple
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costumes for a lot of the stunts and extras.
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As you know, you go through a battle on the various stages of
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naming and damage. So yeah, it's, yeah, it's quite,
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quite a bit of organization. Yeah.
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Well. Another character I want to talk
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about this very entire world to this specific episode is
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Princess Reniece, played by Eve Best, who I have to admit is my
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favorite character. I have the shirt on.
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I don't know if you could see we got her right there.
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I love it. She such a great character and
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in this moment when she's riding her dragon Maelice, she wears
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her just incredible stunning armor.
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And I want to ask you about the armor and also how you were just
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talking about stunts, how it interacts with her.
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Also riding this, you know, mechanical piece, which is
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supposed to be her dragon at the same time.
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So the costumes have to be able to work for sitting and riding a
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dragon at the same time. You know Dragons aren't real,
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but you have to pretend like they are.
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Yeah, yeah. So we took because Rainy wears
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that armour from Series 1 into Series 2.
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So it's Janie's armour designed for Series 1.
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And then we, we altered it for Series 2 in order to make it
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more articulated so that you could articulate.
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So there's different, there's different panels in it.
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So that hope so that the whole body can articulate whilst
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you're on the dragon. That was something that was
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really important to me because I felt if, if you are a dragon
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rider, your movement would want to be in tune with the dragon.
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So which is what we did on air gun's armor, that it has
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articulated plates so that you even though it's armour, it will
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move in tune with the, with the dragon.
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So we did that and then we really broke it down, worked
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into it and to make it look like, you know, she's worn it a
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lot. She's been out a lot on, on her
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dragon in that armour. So it needed to be well worn.
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And then we she kind of knows it's a suicide mission and is
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the queen that never was. So we wanted to indicate that
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status and gave her a headpiece, which is also kind of meant to
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be practical with the hair, you know, keeping everything,
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keeping everything back. But yeah, it was quite a moment.
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Since we have a little bit of time too, like talking about
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Renice, but also just her family, the Valerians also who
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are people of the sea, which is really a whole different other
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color palette. I imagine you have to that you
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and your team to think about differently.
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And you know the of the sea. So there's a lot of salt in the
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water too. Imagine which adds to.
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The aging. So what can you tell us about
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working with these characters specifically?
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Well, Corliss is, he's sort of the wealthiest man in Westeros
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at this time and also, you know, has been living on ships.
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And so we wanted to reflect that and that his colour palette is,
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you know, all the Blues of the the sea.
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And it's so loyal to his heist. You know, he always is proudly
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wearing his vigil. But then his his grandchildren
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have really bail and Rihanna have really aligned with Raniera
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in Series 2. So they've adopted they've
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adopted the Targaryen colors. And so he kind of stands apart
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in a way and said that what? Well, with Rihanna, when she's
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out of her armor, she's in Navy as opposed to as opposed to
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black or red to show, you know, she's aligned with him.
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And I kind of torn. She's torn between him and her
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Targaryen, right? Yeah, it's it's really fun to
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see. You could really see that wealth
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on them, but and they're just connection and deep love for to
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see just feels very real and. Authentic, yeah.
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Caroline, this has been so lovely.
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I feel like I could talk to you for like an hour through each
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episode, you know, which would be the world's longest podcast,
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but that'd be so fun. So just to wrap up, I mean what
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I just want to ask you, what has this show meant to you and your
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crew? It's such a massive series and
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there's more to come. I just have to imagine this has
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been such a life changing series to be a part of.
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I'll be really fortunate to be able to do something that's so
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creative. You know, it's, it's a gift.
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It's a gift of a costume job. And I'm so, so grateful and
27:24
fortunate for all the talent. But we have that we're to work
27:30
with. You know, I've got such a
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talented team and everybody is really passionate about what
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they do and putting their best into it.
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And then it's lovely knowing that it's loved by so many
27:44
people and you know that we do go the extra mile in terms of
27:50
little details, which you might not see on camera, but you know
27:55
that in photographs or but it's such a different, it's such a
28:01
different medium now. You know, when I did Downton
28:04
Abbey, we didn't have social media in the same way and things
28:08
weren't picked up in the same way.
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But I know everybody knows that someone will, you know, the
28:14
little details will be really appreciate it.
28:20
And you know, the length that we go to are appreciated and
28:24
understood. And that's, that's a really
28:26
lovely position to be in, you know, to know that your work is
28:31
appreciated. Yeah, I mean, like, like you
28:34
mentioned earlier, I go to comic cons all the time.
28:36
And the amount of people I meet, they're dressed up as Ranira or
28:39
Eamon or Allison. It's really moving every time,
28:42
just the connection people feel to the costumes in these
28:44
characters. And I am so grateful that I got
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to finally meet you, costume designer Caroline McCall, thank
28:51
you so much for joining us. This has been such a a.
28:53
Pleasure. Thank you.
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Spencer I love that. I love that, so much fun.
29:05
I miss this show. I wish that we didn't have to
29:07
wait so long. Season 3.
29:11
We get it though, like take. Your time.
29:12
Yeah, I guess Spencer gets it. I don't want them to rest it
29:18
but. That's that's so true.
29:19
That's so true. So much fun.
29:21
I love. One thing I love about the
29:23
interview was just talking about how dragon fire really upsets
29:27
the costumes. Like having to build this
29:31
beautiful thing and then just really tearing it apart.
29:34
Yeah, melting it down. And one thing I loved also, I
29:37
was watching it behind the scenes too before my interview,
29:40
but just like the thought process of how like this armor,
29:45
especially for King Aegon, like melts to him and just costume
29:49
played such a heavy role in a lot of these devastating scenes
29:53
that a lot of people, you know, don't think about.
29:56
But no, there's, you know, the poor House of the Dragon costume
30:00
team has to think about all these little things.
30:02
So, so much fun. So much fun, yeah.
30:07
All right, well, do we want to give us the trading to Season 2?
30:09
Oh yes. It's been a while since I've
30:12
seen the whole thing from beginning to.
30:14
End Same I I think season 2 is a solid like 3 1/2 stitches.
30:22
Yeah. Like, I know like behind the
30:24
scenes there was some like back and forth about how many
30:27
episodes it was going to be. And I, I, we didn't get like
30:32
that big climactic ending like we all wanted, but like, this
30:37
was a season that was getting like produced through COVID.
30:40
So like, understandable that like things didn't quite work
30:45
out the way everyone wanted. And it was a for Game of
30:49
Thrones. It was a little slow of a
30:51
season, but it looked incredible.
30:55
The costumes were on point, the special effects were on point.
31:00
Like I honestly really loved Damon Sidequest.
31:03
Yeah, it was. Fun, like I like it.
31:07
Not quite what I wanted or what I expected, but it was so solid
31:12
and it really, I think it's set up the rest of the series in a
31:16
really good way. I feel like it's setting up
31:18
season 3 to be a solid 5 out of five.
31:21
Stitches, you know? Yeah.
31:23
I'm also going to stick with a 3.5.
31:25
It's funny. It's like there's some episodes,
31:27
some episodes on their own were like fives.
31:30
Oh yeah. And then some of them were like
31:32
threes, you know? So yeah, I think those first
31:36
couple episodes too, very dramatic.
31:39
It's so much fun. I also do love the ending, but I
31:43
also too was like, that's it. Yeah, so it is what it is.
31:48
It's a still a great season. I agree.
31:50
It felt very like elevated in terms of the effects.
31:54
So 23.5 stitches. We're pretty aligned these days
31:58
on the. Stitch earrings, Yeah.
32:00
I wonder why. Maybe we're we just been doing
32:02
this together so long that we're becoming the same hive brain?
32:06
I guess so. Corsets.
32:11
Let's play one costume. Rule them all.
32:13
Hit it, Daniel. The one costume to rule them
32:18
all. Spencer, what's your one costume
32:24
to rule them all? Mine is obviously, which I don't
32:29
think I said this enough during the interview.
32:31
My favorite character is Princess Rainey's The Queen That
32:35
Never Was. Yeah God, Eve best.
32:39
I think she's just so incredible.
32:41
She kills this role. So that being said, my one
32:44
costume rule them all was her dragon riding armor that she
32:47
wears at the battle Brooks Rest, which it is a version of the
32:51
armour we see in the first season that was done by Jeanine
32:54
Tameem. But as Caroline McCall said that
32:57
they did make some upgrades to it that make it feel more dragon
33:00
rider ready. Plus we get to add that like,
33:03
ancestral headpiece that's very, you know, Targaryen like.
33:08
And it's very crown like. It's.
33:10
Very crown like. Which she deserves.
33:12
She deserves it. Like, she just goes down like a
33:15
real iconic queen. And I, I just, that image is
33:19
like seared into my brain quite literally because she gets
33:23
barbecued. MY1 costume to rule them all is
33:26
a bit of A2 Fer. So we have Jesserus and Bayla
33:31
and they're stunning. Targaryen, Valyrian.
33:35
Like, yeah, almost like scouting costumes.
33:41
The red, the black. I love Jasaris and hers because
33:45
it really calls back to it calls back to a lot of generous
33:50
costumes, like the construction, his like 1 shouldered Cape.
33:56
Yeah. And it's just like, yes, you are
33:58
the future king and queen. Yeah, it's almost like Daenerys
34:01
when she got to Dragonstone and she found this closet full of
34:05
good looks. Yeah, it was probably.
34:07
She was like, these are too delicate for me to wear.
34:10
Can we like, can we just remake these in in my colours and.
34:15
Yeah, exactly. She just goes full black.
34:18
Yeah, yeah, she wears like a lot of black and blue and like,
34:21
white. Yeah, those are great ones.
34:24
I I do really love to construction, especially like
34:27
that V shape and the bodice and yeah, I would definitely be
34:32
house black and I would be wearing one of these for.
34:35
Sure you absolutely would. Yeah, and with that, that brings
34:39
us to the end of House of the Dragon season 2.
34:42
I'm a feeling this isn't our last House of the Dragon
34:44
episode. I'd be shocked if it was.
34:50
We might be coming back next season with another one.
34:53
It should be coming out next year, right?
34:56
Yeah, or later this. Year.
34:58
Not later this year. I know probably early next year.
35:03
In fact, I don't know if the video will be published for an
35:05
interview. I think it will be.
35:06
You should be watching this on YouTube and you will be seeing,
35:09
hopefully Caroline McCall. But if you all are excited about
35:12
the third season of House of Dragon or if you want to tell us
35:15
what your favorite costumes are from the second season, which I
35:17
know there are some, e-mail us at theartofcostume@gmail.com.
35:21
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35:26
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35:52
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35:53
production of that, but we can't.
35:56
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