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One on One: Jared Padalecki · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in moles You, I am all in
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  Speaker 1: with Scott Patterson and I heart radio podcast Everybody Scott Patterson,
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to Jared Patta Lucky, the One and
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  Speaker 1: Only Dean Forrester. Jared was a series regular. Appeared in
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  Speaker 1: six and three episodes from two thousand two thousand and five.
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  Speaker 1: First appeared in the pilot season one episode one. Last
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  Speaker 1: appearance was season five episode eighteen to Live and Let
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  Speaker 1: Diorama UM. He was known as a new kid in town.
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  Speaker 1: I think he needs no introduction to the Gilmore world.
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  Speaker 1: His bio is interesting. From San Antonio, Texas, he started
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  Speaker 1: to take acting classes when he was twelve, He won
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  Speaker 1: the Claim to Fame contest to appear in the Teen
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  Speaker 1: Choice Awards UH. He lived in San Antonio and attended
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  Speaker 1: James Madison High School. He was named ken It for
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  Speaker 1: the year UH two thousand Presidential scholars Program. After graduating
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand, he moved to l a and got
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  Speaker 1: the role in Gilmore. He also went on to portray
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  Speaker 1: Sam Winchester and the c W supernatural h For My
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  Speaker 1: God fifteen seasons. He now stars in the show Walker
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  Speaker 1: on c W. Also has several feature film credits including
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  Speaker 1: House of Wax, cry Wolf, and Friday the Thirteenth. And
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  Speaker 1: I think Jared is also uh an executive producer on Walker,
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  Speaker 1: so he's in control over there. So very nice career
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  Speaker 1: trajectory still uh going up into the left, as they say,
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  Speaker 1: is he is he here? Lis bringman? Yeah, there you are.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing, buddy? How are you? Brother? I'm good,
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  Speaker 1: you're looking well. I'm feeling all right, man, I'm feeling
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  Speaker 1: all right. Thank you so much for doing this. I
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  Speaker 1: know how incredibly busy you are, and any time that
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  Speaker 1: you give us is much appreciated, and we are really
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  Speaker 1: really excited to have you. You have no idea that
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  Speaker 1: the team is going crazy. We're gonna do all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of promotion and all kinds of stuff. So thank you,
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  Speaker 1: thank you very much for coming on it. So it's
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  Speaker 1: been a it's been a minute. Man. How's the fam?
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  Speaker 1: How how the boys? How? How's how's your wife? How's
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  Speaker 1: everything going? They're great? Uh, Tom our oldest is ten
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  Speaker 1: and he's a fifth wader. Chef is eight, he's a
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  Speaker 1: third grader. And then our baby girl, Odette is five
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  Speaker 1: and she's in kindergarten and she thinks she's got to
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  Speaker 1: rule the roost. Uh, we have a we have a
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  Speaker 1: I had the day off of filming, so okay, on
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  Speaker 1: our outside of Austin, So Jennen kind of snuck out
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  Speaker 1: here to get some fresh air and get out of
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  Speaker 1: the hustle and bustle of the city and nice. Well, well,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for you know, I know how Um this
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  Speaker 1: is an off day for me too. I'm up in
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  Speaker 1: Nova Scotia shooting a TV series and the off days
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  Speaker 1: are few and far between it and they're very precious,
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  Speaker 1: and I thank you for sharing it with us. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you back. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's it's beautiful. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: like every every angle is a postcard up here. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's kind of crazy. What they're there now is
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  Speaker 1: an already into the kind of early it's starting to
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  Speaker 1: get like fifty degrees fifty five, little windy, and but
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  Speaker 1: but I'm warmed by the thought of Chad Michael Murray
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  Speaker 1: being my cast mate. So let's say Gilmore Reunion Buffalo.
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  Speaker 1: So for him, it's like old half Yeah, that's no
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  Speaker 1: big deal. That's no big deal. Um, So look, let's
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  Speaker 1: get into this. We've got a million questions for you. UM,
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  Speaker 1: I know we're not going to get to them all
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  Speaker 1: even you know, but I don't want to keep you
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  Speaker 1: that long on and off day, especially um, So let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about uh and we're gonna get into Walker. I
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  Speaker 1: want to hear all about it, um, because I'm fascinated
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  Speaker 1: with I mean, you're executive producing it as well, so
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  Speaker 1: you know you've got a lot of skin in the
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  Speaker 1: game there. Um, But Skilmily your first uh acting gig
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  Speaker 1: that you got hired for, not technically so when I
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  Speaker 1: was a senior in high school. Uh, well, okay, I'll
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  Speaker 1: go back a little bit further between my junior and
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  Speaker 1: senior or high school. I want a nationwide contest to
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  Speaker 1: be a trophy presenter at the first annual Teen Choice Awards.
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  Speaker 1: And that meant stood there on stage, I held on
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  Speaker 1: to a surfboard and when Freddy Prince Jr. Would win
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  Speaker 1: Best Kids Apprecio all that, I'd give it to him
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  Speaker 1: and I you know, usher them off stage. And at
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  Speaker 1: the after party, I met a manager who I'm still
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  Speaker 1: with to this day, Dan Spielo. He's also a producing partner,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, you know, do you act or
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  Speaker 1: what I was like, Yeah, you know, I'm active in
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  Speaker 1: school one speech and debate eight and plays and this,
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  Speaker 1: and then I love acting, and so well, here's my card,
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  Speaker 1: you know, let's keep in touch. And so I went
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  Speaker 1: back to San Antonio, UH to do my senior high school.
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  Speaker 1: And then he would send scripts. And these are back
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  Speaker 1: in the days of the VHS camcorders. I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of young uns it is we didn't want, but
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  Speaker 1: our our friends did, and so we borrow it. And
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  Speaker 1: I would memorize my lines, and my mother would just
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  Speaker 1: hold the camp order and filmed me while she's reading
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  Speaker 1: the other characters lines. And Spielo was like, I think
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  Speaker 1: a talent, dude, Like I think you can work. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And my mother is a teacher, she retired now my
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  Speaker 1: father is a retired accountant. And so I was gonna
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  Speaker 1: go to u T. Austin where I live now and
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  Speaker 1: be engineering and pre med um. And my brother had
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  Speaker 1: done the same at St. Mary's and San Antonio engineering
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  Speaker 1: premed uh. And they were like, no, this this sounds
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  Speaker 1: like a pipe dream. You know, we support you, uh,
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  Speaker 1: but this sounds like it's not you know, like have
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  Speaker 1: a a plan. And I was like, all right, Like
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to go to Austin and hopefully build
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  Speaker 1: a life in Austin and this and that, and then
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  Speaker 1: I flew out during spring break of my senior year,
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  Speaker 1: so February during pilot season, thank god, and I got
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  Speaker 1: a pilot called Silent Witness, which was for NBC and
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  Speaker 1: it didn't get picked up, and so you know, my
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  Speaker 1: parents were like, well, okay, you know you did it.
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  Speaker 1: You gave it a shot. And then the check came
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  Speaker 1: in for the pilot and they were like, following your dreams, son,
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  Speaker 1: I use the money. I used that money to to
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  Speaker 1: load trip out to I put some aside for for
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  Speaker 1: student loans and whatnot, and I drove out to California
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  Speaker 1: with my papa, my mom's dad. UM stayed with my
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  Speaker 1: manager in his house and did some auditions and I
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  Speaker 1: think that first week or two weeks or whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: these are back you remember two thousand, like if you
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  Speaker 1: were if you were a teenage white dude, there was
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  Speaker 1: a role for you and every single project that was
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  Speaker 1: being made. UM, and so I got tons of auditions
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  Speaker 1: that they're like, hey, this new kid in town. He
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  Speaker 1: has acted all throughout school. And so I booked a
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  Speaker 1: guest spot on e Er. I booked in a movie
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  Speaker 1: called A Little Inside, and I booked a four episode
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  Speaker 1: guest star stint on Gilmore Girls, this show that hadn't
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  Speaker 1: aired yet. And funny enough, when I booked the re
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  Speaker 1: recast of Dean Forrester, you know, the show hadn't been
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  Speaker 1: picked up yet. I was just a co star, I
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  Speaker 1: think at the time. And I had also been offered
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  Speaker 1: this independent movie if forget that, Boys in the Round
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  Speaker 1: I think it was called Um, which was like ten
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  Speaker 1: times the money, and I got offered another project that
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  Speaker 1: was like six times the money. And then I got
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  Speaker 1: off with Gilmore Girls, which hadn't even aired yet, and
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  Speaker 1: I was, you know this this kid who grew up
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  Speaker 1: in a seven hair in scripfort House in San Antonio,
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  Speaker 1: going like money, money, money. My my agent manager were
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  Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, Um. You know, we think
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  Speaker 1: that the show, which I hadn't read yet, I hadn't
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  Speaker 1: seen obviously it hadn't aired. Uh, They're like, we think
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  Speaker 1: this show has has legs. It's a great show. It's
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  Speaker 1: super intelligent, it's funny, it's charming, it's it's heartwarming. We
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  Speaker 1: think you should do that, and so thank god, Uh
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  Speaker 1: they convinced me. I was still seventeen at the time
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  Speaker 1: to shoot four episodes on on the so show called
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  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls that hadn't aired yet. You know, a couple
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  Speaker 1: of independent movies so young. So yeah, it's seventeen now
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  Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm sixty four. So um so tell us
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  Speaker 1: about the audition. What do you remember about it? I
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  Speaker 1: remember going in and for the best of my recollection
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  Speaker 1: I had already well, my first audition was with Mara
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  Speaker 1: and Jamie Um who you may have already been cast
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  Speaker 1: when okay, so you went about for them, but for them,
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  Speaker 1: and they seemed to love me, and I felt like
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I think they really did me, And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that was just their
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  Speaker 1: lovely people and they're professional and I was legitimately a child.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't even eighteen years old yet. So I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to get my hopes up because they
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  Speaker 1: could have just been nice to me, because I'm a kid,
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  Speaker 1: like wet behind the ears, fresh off the boat from Texas. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But sure enough they brought me back in for Aby
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  Speaker 1: and for Gavin cologne, and they also seemed to dig me.
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  Speaker 1: And it was one of those classic offering rooms where
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  Speaker 1: there were, you know, three or four of us, and
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  Speaker 1: some people are acting a little hardcool and too cool
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  Speaker 1: for school and acting like they already got the role.
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  Speaker 1: And some of us are like, I don't even know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm doing here, Like I I gonna go in
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  Speaker 1: and see my lines. And so I went in some
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  Speaker 1: my lines. I think we did it probably two or
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  Speaker 1: three times. And I had a good feeling from Amy.
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  Speaker 1: I think she could tell that I wasn't like I
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  Speaker 1: was I was an actor, you know, I wasn't like
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to be famous. I underst said that
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  Speaker 1: if I became a speciful actor, fame might be part
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  Speaker 1: of the equation. But I was there to try and
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  Speaker 1: tell a story. And I, you know, I've been acting
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  Speaker 1: in school and plays and whatnot, and just delving into
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  Speaker 1: the storytelling side of acting, not though like, hey, I've
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  Speaker 1: got big eyes for fame and celebrity and money and stuff. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think that was kind of refreshing. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: here was his kid. I've literally lived seventeen years in
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  Speaker 1: Texas and gone to school and the pretty normal lifestyle,
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  Speaker 1: which I think and Amy's mind at least, and the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the game was refreshing. For Dean. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he was kind of a smaller town minded kind of guy.
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  Speaker 1: Even though his character had grown up from Chicago, he
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  Speaker 1: was kind of he felt at home and stars hollow
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  Speaker 1: because he was just kind of a low key guy,
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  Speaker 1: and I was low key kids, so I worked out. Um.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's one of the remarkable discoveries about watching
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  Speaker 1: this show because this this the whole premise of this
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  Speaker 1: podcast is that I never watched the show. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know the show. So that's what I heart, um embraced.
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  Speaker 1: I thought I had an original idea. I didn't realize
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  Speaker 1: that they hadn't made deals with simple other story of
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  Speaker 1: my life anyway. Um. But the thing, the thing that
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  Speaker 1: that really struck all of us was just how good
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  Speaker 1: an actor you are, uh, at such a young age.
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  Speaker 1: What do you what do you attribute that to? Because
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  Speaker 1: you're you were you're blowing us away, I mean with
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  Speaker 1: because your your character had a full circle. When you
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  Speaker 1: first came on, you were that sort of a little
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  Speaker 1: bit disrespectful, tough Chicago kid and it kind of rubbed
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  Speaker 1: us the wrong way. And then but then you start
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  Speaker 1: you you had one of the greatest introductions, uh, of
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  Speaker 1: any character I've ever seen on a TV series when
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  Speaker 1: you first met Rory and it was the book exchange
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  Speaker 1: and the whole thing. You were the coolest guy and
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  Speaker 1: you just really knew how to play it and you
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  Speaker 1: really knew how to handle it. So so, as a critic,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as I um, as I can be sometimes
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  Speaker 1: with other people's work, I was stunned at how good
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  Speaker 1: you were and are No. I mean, I mean it's
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  Speaker 1: like every performance that you gave was flawless, and we did,
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  Speaker 1: we would discuss it. So if you ever listen to podcast,
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  Speaker 1: you'll hear a sort of gushing about your performances. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, no, it was it was above and beyond
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  Speaker 1: what anybody expected. And I was I was just like god,
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  Speaker 1: I never saw the show. I never realized how good
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  Speaker 1: this kid was. No wonder he got this show. Um,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, m so tell us about meeting Alexis and
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  Speaker 1: working with her initially, what was that like? Well, funny enough,
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  Speaker 1: she was also this kid from Texas who kind of
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think she was going to be on TV
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, and I think she'd gone to ny U
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know her exact story. I'd love to
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  Speaker 1: know it. But she was also kind of a fish
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  Speaker 1: out of water. And so I think that was helpful
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  Speaker 1: because you know, here she was seventeen or eighteen, I
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  Speaker 1: thought vote from Texas. Here I was seventeen or eighteens,
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  Speaker 1: fresh up the book in Texas. And so we're both
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  Speaker 1: kind of looking around, going like this is bizarre, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like what are we doing? Uh? And so I think
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  Speaker 1: to go back to kind of your earlier question. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's where, well, I'll speak to myself. I know
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  Speaker 1: that's where I found my comfort zone was just acting.
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  Speaker 1: I was just focusing on the story. And at the
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  Speaker 1: time I got gil More Girls, it was four episodes
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  Speaker 1: see you later, Like I signed a four episode contract
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, well, this is cool. I get
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  Speaker 1: to kind of explore a character in more than one.
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  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the auditions at the time,
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  Speaker 1: we're sort of like, hey, you played this character in
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  Speaker 1: this episode where they're looking for the bad guy and
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  Speaker 1: you say he went that way, you know, and then
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  Speaker 1: you're never seen again. As with this show, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my go four episodes like how neat and so
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  Speaker 1: I always felt like and the best possible way, I
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  Speaker 1: always felt like a guest on set for Gilmore girls.
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  Speaker 1: Even in the seasons where I was in more episodes
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  Speaker 1: or heavier in the episodes I was in, I always
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  Speaker 1: walked on the set and I felt they were like, hey, Jared,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know if you remember this, but I
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  Speaker 1: was famous for how many cookies I would eat every day.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's right, that's right. And so I would, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm a kid trying to start my life living
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  Speaker 1: in a rental, and so I would come back at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day and see if there was
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  Speaker 1: leftover food. Uh, because I had kind of grown up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you eat whatever you can, um, And so
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  Speaker 1: I'd always wait. There'd be the big old cookie platter
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  Speaker 1: from Hollywood Cookie Company. A funny story about them. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if they're still around. You know, I haven't
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  Speaker 1: lived in l A for many, many years. Um. But
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  Speaker 1: one time, I think maybe season two or three, I
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  Speaker 1: was getting a lot more into fitness and I was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, starting to be aware of calories. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of the early two thousands when it
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  Speaker 1: was like avoid sat right to fat and you know,
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  Speaker 1: work towards more fiber. And I called them one day randomly,
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  Speaker 1: you know, their little sticker was on the platter of
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  Speaker 1: cookies and I called them because I would eat probably
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  Speaker 1: eight or nine cookie and they were huge. There weren't
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  Speaker 1: these small, little white size. They were like, you know, pancakes,
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  Speaker 1: all of them. I was like, hey, my name is Jared,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm an active in town and mu cater are
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  Speaker 1: are set sometimes and I was just curious if you
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  Speaker 1: had like nutrition facts for your cookies. And the voice
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  Speaker 1: on the other end of the phone was like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: what do you mean. And I was like, well, like, idea,
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  Speaker 1: how many calories there are? Because I have some idea
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  Speaker 1: of how many calories I burned every day and if
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  Speaker 1: I need to burn, can excess me more or whatever?
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  Speaker 1: And the guys like, well, do you like the cookies?
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I love them because well, let's just
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  Speaker 1: say this, as much as you like them, that's how
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  Speaker 1: many calories there and uh. And so he kind of
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  Speaker 1: made it clear like, hey, these are made with love
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  Speaker 1: and butter. Uh. I miss him those white chocolate macadam.
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  Speaker 1: For me, it was just like exploring. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: had long done long throughout school. I had done plays,
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  Speaker 1: and I had on forensics like debate and speech and
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  Speaker 1: do it acting and and I just loved storytelling. I've
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  Speaker 1: always been a fan of you know, you have those
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  Speaker 1: friends who are they'll start a story out and everybody
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  Speaker 1: just shuts up and just wants to listen. I love
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  Speaker 1: I love those friends of mine. I love people in
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  Speaker 1: general who can just tell a story and you laugh
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  Speaker 1: or you cry or both. And so I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: kind of and at the time, legitimately I still I
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  Speaker 1: had my housing assignment at UT I had the books
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  Speaker 1: that I had bought secondhand, you know, because they're cheaper,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought I was gonna make as much money
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  Speaker 1: as possible and go back to school. And so I
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  Speaker 1: was like, well, I'll just enjoy it what you can.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think because I didn't have it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: yet my career, like it was sort of like this
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  Speaker 1: is going really well, and I took it very seriously. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but I was like, man, if I can do four episodes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a couple of thousand bucks, and like
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna help pay for my loans and all that,
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  Speaker 1: and so I just worked really hard on the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot of look for a seventeen year old,
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  Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. Money it was I remember
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  Speaker 1: from whatever, I'll say it. I remember my paycheck for
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  Speaker 1: episode one of Gilmore Girls. I remember exactly what it was,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember it for a reason because it was
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  Speaker 1: one Comma two three four, and I was I'm loaded,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: like but I was the richest. I was the witchest
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: kid I knew growing up in kind of a you know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: lower middle class spot in San Antonio. And I was like, dude,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: if I could do a couple of these, pay some taxes,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: then I can pay off, you know, my books for
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: my my dorm or whatever. So that's kind of where
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, you came at it with gratitude and
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: no expectations. It's the only way to have do it. Yeah. Yeah,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: And even now I come out with gratitude, and I
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: think totally for me, and this is I think, just
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: the way maybe I was raised, or maybe my genetic makeup.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I just really enjoy the work that goes into it.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: For me. Um, for me, the filming of the scene
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: is the least exciting part. I agree. I love the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: rehearsal process. I love the rehearsal process, and I love
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: the process with or without somebody else like I to
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: this day. You know, now I'm four hundred and forty
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: episodes of television into my career or something like that.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And my favorite part of making a TV show is
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: going through it over and over again, over and over again,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: and then give me sething go like, let's see what sticks.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: You know. Let's let's now I know what I've done,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: we know the different pathways to get through a scene.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Let's see how it works out. Let's see what the
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: other actors nationals want to do. Let's see what the
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: cameraman want to do. Let's do the DP and the
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: director have and let's just slow. Uh. Here's here's a
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: question that I have to ask, and it's one of
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the it's the it's one of the questions I hear
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: most often. Are you similar to Dean? Where are you
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: similar to Dean? In high school? In high school, No,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't have the confidence. Uh. Dean had a quiet
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: confidence from the get that I think Jared learned from.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: You know, I was still seventeen, like we talked about,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I was still seventeen. I was a kid in every
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: way shaping form I you know, I'd never left the country.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I think I maybe left the state twice in my life.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Wants to drive to disney Land with my family and
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: wants to drive to Florida to Disneyland with my family.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And that's what I was. Pretty even though San Antonio
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: was not a small town, it's a pretty large city
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: against pub million, I was kind of a small town kid,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: you know, Like my my life was the three mile
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: radius around my house. That was our grocery store, that
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: was my middle school and elementary school. In high school,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: that was where I would ride my bike to my
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: friend's house. And so I had kind of a maybe
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: similar to Dean because he grew up in Chicago, but
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: he felt at home in a smaller like microcosm, and
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: so I think that was similar. Um, I certainly had similarities.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like I learned a lot from Dean. Um.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: You know, Amy and the Gang wrote this character that
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: was really lovable. I mean, he certainly had some some
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: hiccups along the way through five seasons, but he started
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: out and he was just like a good kid, you know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: he was a kid. Uh. And there's a scene that
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I was talking about the other day with maybe one
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: of our directors on Walker, and she was like, yeah,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: my family were always team V. I was like really,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: and she goes, yeah, I mean that scene with you
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: and Laura La. We're all eating pizza and she's talking
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: about your motorcycle and you're saying, I don't have a motorcycle. Fine,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: she won't ride on my motorcycle. She's like, it would
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: just seem sweet, you know, it was. It was wholesome, um,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and so I think we kind of shared that. One
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: of the balsiest things I've ever seen a character do
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: on that show is when you, pretty much I think,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: first met Laurela, or was the first time you were
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: over for like a movie night, right, They invited you
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: for a movie night and Rory excused herself, uh, and
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you were with Laurela alone, and she gave you the
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: speech and then when she was done, you didn't miss
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: a beat and you said, uh, my turn now what
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: wo wow? Well the can is on this kid, man,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, and then you kind of gave your speech
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: and it was very impressive, very very impressive. Do you
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: do you remember filming that. I do, as a matter
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: of fact, I absolutely do. I remember we were on stage,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and I remember the set. Maybe it was I forgot
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: stage fourteen. It was the one that was right, It
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: wasn't the one that was across from the friends stage.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: It was the one that was nearest to commissary. Yes, yes,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: fourteen sixteen. And I remember platform outside movies and shows
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that are shocked and just kind of being like oh um.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: But I remember early on. I remember how early on.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I think it was season one off camera, you know.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: And again I was a seventeen year old kid. I
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: mean I turned eighteen a couple of months into it.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: But I was doing something, probably being some little dips,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: and you you came. I don't remember what it was,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: but I remember you were like, hey, I want to
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: talking to him a second. And I was like all right,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: And you walked me into the school, the school there
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and Stars Hollow, and you just kind of took your
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: glasses off and you kind of gave me a little
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: talking to. And I again I have no idea, I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: don't remember it. I have no idea what it was about,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: but you gave me just enough of talking to where
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, right, Like it kind of reminded
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: me because at that time I was just playing. I
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: was doing the same stuff I would do in high school,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: person for a play for something, and so you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: you kind of looking around and I think The message
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I remember was like, hey, you know we're working here.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: You know it was and it was the proper and
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I remember kind of going like I needed that right here,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: right now, at this age. If I want to make
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: a careerative this, I gotta remember we're not just playing
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: like someone the studio and network are spending lions of
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: dollars for us to be here and do this. And
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I remained a goofball on set. I get away with
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: it a little bit more now, uh and whatnot. But
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I think I was just I was you know, I
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: was never a jerk, but I think I was probably
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: just goofing around just enough for you to kind of
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: premiuside and you obviously done years of work and just
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: tell me like, hey, you know, let's tone it down
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit or whatever you said. I remember, I
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: remember the feeling of like that's right, Like this is
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: a job. All of these people are doing a job,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and so that was good. So thank you. I don't
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: remember was twenty two years ago, I I do, I
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: do remember, I do, um, But you know, the things
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I remember most about you on set were our discussions
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: about training and uh, you know, you were you wanted
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: to gain weight, um. And I just remember because I,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you know, I was like you when I was a kid,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: just just tall, skinny, couldn't get anyway, ate like a horse,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: worked out like a fiend, couldn't get anyway. I was
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: inncerned about it, and I just remember I didn't really
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: know what to say to you other than just enjoy
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: it while it lasts, because it ain't gonna laugh. But
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: it looks like in your case it lasted. Um. Yeah,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: what was the season where you had kickboxing? I remember
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: coming coming to that one time and like shaking your
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: hand and you kind of like shook it. And you
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: had been at Crunch kickboxing with somebody. And I don't
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: remember what exactly happened, but I think you might have
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: like boxing fracture or something. I was like, oh my bad,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: like all good, you know, but I remember, oh I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: had I had a bad hand or something. You you
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: you would you would? I think maybe had a metacarpal
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: injury or something. Yeah, yeah, you were I know the
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: guy's name if I heard it. But there was a
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: kickboxing trainer Crunch that you have been training with, Lolly. Yeah,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it was the former world champion. Yes, the most the
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: most dangerous human being on the planet. But the sweetest
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: guy in the world. Yeah, you need to be me
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: because they can back it up. Yeah. He was just
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: like the nicest guy in the world. Yeah, So we
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: recapped speaking of fighting, uh, we've recapped your fight scene
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: with Milo at the high school party and a little
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: bit ago. But you're what do you remember having about
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: having to film that scene? How long did it take
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: with all that choreography? Because it was really one of
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the best and most brutal violent fights I've seen on TV.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: It was so real for a show like Gilboard Girls,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: you know, were we weren't shooting a d C show
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: or a Marble show where everybody's fighting all the time. Um,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: my stupman was Jake Chambers. It was at the ranch.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: So we shot that at the at the One Brother's ranch,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: not the lot where obviously stars hollow as you know,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: but for the fans, there two one of Brothers properties
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: in Burbank. One is the lot where they're all those stages,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and one is the ranch, which is really famous well
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: for many things. But at the opening credits to Friends
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: where they're all on the fountain, and we had gone
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: to one of the streets out there and shot inside
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and outside. I feel like we shot it in a night,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you know. And I imagine you've you've commented on this before,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: but Gilmore Girls was known for being a long day
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: you know, we had I remember driving off the lot
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: on other occasions and it'd be like six in the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: morning and you know, you drive past the guard station,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you only window down. They're like Gilmore Girls, like, yeah,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: like we figured, you know, crap safe. Uh, but this
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like this was probably you know, we shot
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: in November or December, um there at the ranch and
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: probably shot you know from six pm to six ham
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: or something, and was obviously super fit and uh. He
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: was also a guy similar to the conversation that you
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and I had in that school set. Vilo kind of
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: show me the ropes a little bit because again I
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: didn't like, I just stayed in my t tiler. I
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: didn't know. So one time we were shooting and he
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: was like, hey, you want to you know, we're not
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the next scene we have launched, you want to go
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: grab by And I was like, we can leave and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: this is season two seven. Yeah, we just gotta be back.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: You know, they'll they'll text me, will call me, like,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: give us a half hour heads up, it was like,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: you sure weren't get in trouble. He was like, oh man,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: now it's fine, and so he kind of would walking
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: around and uh, let me know the ropes, because even
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: a season into Gilmore Girls, I was still you know,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: as you well know, like in terms of understanding the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: business in the way it all works, I was still
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a white belt, you know. Um that was in the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: way to become black belt proverbially, uh, very much a
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: white belt. And so Milo helped me out. And you know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: it's it's you've done these as well. When you're doing
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: a stunt sequence with somebody who's not super physically capable,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: it's worrisome because you're like, you know, he's punched me,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: your album me and I don't know if this guy's coordinated,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Like I think I'm gonna hurt. I didn't feel that
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: way with Milo. Milo is fit and seemingly always has
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: been and certainly still is, and so I just remember
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: being like, this is gonna be fine. Um, and then
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: the whole tackle sequence out into the yard, it was.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: It was a good time. He and I. It's funny
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: because we've always gotten along extremely well. I mean, even
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: from the get go where the scripts were lining us
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: up to be rivals on camera. We just got along.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: We're just buddies, you know. He's like, hey, let's go
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: get let's go get a bike. And I think he
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: was he may still be vegan or vegetarian. But there
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: was like a little weekend place and we just went
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: and I was like, where's the burger. He's like, well,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: it's a she's talking mushroom sandwich. I was like, whatever,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I'll take it. Uh. So it helps a lot when
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you when you kind of trust respect to people you're
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: working with, especially in a physical sequence where you don't
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: want to acctudentally take an eilbow to nose and right. Um, right.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: So the classic question that everybody wants me to ask,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: We know Matt sup he knows who Rory's baby daddy is.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Do you know? Do you have any guesses? I? I
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: don't know for sure. My understanding is that it's changed
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a couple of times. Um I I I I have
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: some guesses, but I don't know for sure. And you know,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: if I have no doubt that if Matt says he
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: knows that he knows, but I would put it past
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the Palladinos to to change it at the last second.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe I do know this. I do know that when
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: we did the reunion, well, when y'all did the reunion
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and I showed up for a day, I was supposed
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: to be in more of it. I remember talking to
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Amy and she was like, Hey, we'd love to We're
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: doing this and we'd love to have you around. It
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: was like absolutely at the time, you know, shooting Supernatural
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: with Van Cooper and so um, basically whatever I was
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: gonna be and got way whittled down, and ultimately it
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: came down to we couldn't clear me on any specific day.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: So Ay basically told me, Hey, if you find out
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you have a day off, call me up, let me know.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: We'll we'll do that. You know, everybody's already on set anyways,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: because we're cross boarding, and so I think I called
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: her like on a Monday, and I was like, hey,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I have Thursday off, and she's like, cool, you want
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: to come down. I was like absolutely, And so I
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: flew down Thursday morning, uh, did the refitting and whatever,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: shot Thursday, you know, morning afternoon, early evening, and then
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: flew back to Vancouver that night and shot Supernatural. The
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: next morning. So, um, yeah, you can only do that.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: You can only do that when you're in your twenties.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: There's just no other way to do that. Who was
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the reunion? Uh yeah, I would have been Yeah, thirty
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: four three five. Yeah, okay, there you go. Well you
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: look that's not three. Uh. And I was in Vancouver
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: and my family was in Austin, and so you know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I can go home and go to bed as opposed
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: to chasing kids around all that lay um So so listen, Jared.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: One of the things that I admire so much about
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: you is the your courageous approach to sharing some of
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the struggles that you've had with mental mental health issues
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and depression and anxiety, and I just you know, it
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: really does take a special kind of courage to step
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: up and and admit that and say that and talk
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: about a started dialogue because it and it's hard, it's
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: it's it's extremely generous to do it, because it it
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: gets the the issue out there, It gets people talking
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: about it, and it gets and it gives people the
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: courage to step forward that otherwise wouldn't. Uh. And you
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: you inspire millions and millions of people through your work
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and now through your your your your work with charities
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and with these specific issues, can you talk about a
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: little bit for sure? Thank you for asking. I've been
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: very public that I've had I don't say struggles, I
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: say a relationship. I kind of feel like, um uh,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: there's a great quote that I love and it's my favorite,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and it's pain is mandatory, suffering as optional. And so
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I like to say, we're all going to deal with pain.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: We all deal with pain, no matter if you're Elon
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Musk with three billion dollars or somebody who's having a
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you know, do hard manual labor for five bucks an hour.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna have pain. Uh choice whether or not you
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: can make, whether that can make you suffer. And so
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I take my relationship mental health very seriously. I see
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: a doctor every week and I have for many, many years.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: And I think it occurred to me, you know, especially
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: early on in the Gilmal Girls years. I think I
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: kind of long had uh maybe an underlying anxiety mostly,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: but depression. At times I got pretty bad and I
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: just felt like, well, here I am, like I get
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: to play pretend for a living. I get to buy
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: a house when I'm twenty years old. With money I made,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: not money I wanted the lottery. You're inherited from family,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: nothing anything wrong with that. But you know, you're in
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: magazines and they're going like, oh, you're the new heart
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: throb and this and that, you're making good friends and
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: you're doing what you've always dreamed. But I would go
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: home and you know, I sometimes or I would just
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: just sit there and not do anything. And I was like,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: something's weird, man, Like this doesn't make There's nothing on
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: paper I can write down that I'm unhappy about, Like, so,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: why am I feeling so anxious? Or why am I
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: feeling so sad? Um? And not even Sadad's kind of
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: a funny, like you could feel sad and not have depression,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you know. So this is a more like you don't
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: want to eat, you don't want to go outside, you
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: don't want to talk to friends, you don't want to
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: talk to him. Like it was more of that. Uh,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: And so I looked, let gonna be like what's wrong
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: with you, dude? Like what what? What more do you want?
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Like what's your problem? Like why are you so entitled? Um?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: And finally one day, uh, luckily with with a lot
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: of great friends, and family and and the fandom from
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: you know, Gilmore Girls and Supernatural and now Walker and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: whatever else. It was just sort of like it was
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: a leap of faith just to go like, hey, I
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: know that I'm that guy on TV UM, but not
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: all as well. Uh, And I accept that. And you know,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't know it was either gonna be you know,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I never worked again in my head, you know, catastrashing.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: It was either gonna be like, oh, we're gonna be
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: so disappointed or think you're an asshole for not being happy.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't that. I was so happy. I am
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: so happy with the life I've been able to live.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've been able to live a thousand
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: lives in four short years. Um. But I was met
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: with nothing but uh, you know, love and support. And
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I think my main message is that if you feel
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: like you're alone, uh, you're not. Uh. And I think
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: just humans are humans, man. We all have our ups
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: and downs. And if you look happy on the outside,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: you might be set on the inside. And that's okay.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: You know, no feeling is final, and so just keep
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: your head up and be honest about it. And I
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: think the biggest deal for me was to say like, hey,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I'm dealing with something and that might sound ironic because
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: on the outside it looks like I got everything somebody
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: could ever wish for work and I do. You know,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I'm very fortunate. But it doesn't mean that your brain
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: isn't gonna be with your brain does So everybody listening now,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: go to Jared's socials. He's got all of that information
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: on his social media platforms for organizations that can help
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: out or to get involved with. And and just know
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: that Jared's got your back, okay, because he's been through it, uh,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: and he can he can help you through it forever,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: you know, to some degree. And that's another thing. It's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: just like, hey, if your brain does this instead of
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: doing that, then that's just gonna it's gonna be something
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you have a relationship with, but you don't listen to it. Right,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: It's real and it should be dealt with, and it's
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: nothing to be ashamed of. It's just, you know, takes
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit of courage to step up and admit
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: it and get some help. Yeah, and you'll be surprised
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: by the outpouring of love and support. I was anticipating judgment,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: you know, I was anticipating like, oh, that guy's broken,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: and it was the opposite. It was the right, wonderful,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: very very very inspirational. Um, Um, let's talk a little
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: bit about Supernatural is a huge part of your life,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: A huge part of your career was a fifteen season run. Yeah,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: we had a four month hiatus, moth hiatus, so mega hit.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Uh Supernatural Uh being part of the c W family
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: for twenty years. Uh, and now uh tell us a
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: little bit about, um, what that experience is like for you,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: being more than two decades on a single network and
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and Supernatural and uh we Uh, Supernatural was c W
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: for the CW was even CW. You know, our season
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: one was w B. As you remember, Gilmore Girls was
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: w B, and then season five, I guess went to
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Popper six went to CW. So Supernatural was for many
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: years the only show on television that was older than
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: the network that aired it. We had a lot of
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: we had a lot of scares. You know, when Warner
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Brothers in upn merged, we thought, up, we're done. And
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: then when the president of CW change, We're like, we're done.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: And then when the writers trike happened, you've got app
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: were done, and then we were kind of just as
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: a little show that could that had this really much
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: like Gilmore had this very very dedicated audience. You know,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: like I've I've met fans of Gilmore, girls who will
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: come up and mentioned some things to me about the
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: show or a question or what do you think about
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: this or that, or hey, I love this scene, and
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even I filmed it, like I rememorized,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: they worked on it, filmed it, uh and I don't
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: even recall that. And similar with Supernatural, and it was
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a super just call it super super was a really
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: magical show of massical experience. That's where I met my wife.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: She was on season four. Um and somehow another I
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: didn't I didn't piss her off enough to say no
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: when I asked her out on a date. Uh. She's
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: probably regretting it now. But I've met great friends, um,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: people that consider beyond friends, you know, their family and
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: really got to explore. I feel like Supernatural is where
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I learned, where I earned my black belt. You know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I had to do everything. I had to play humor,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I had to play a drama. It was a thriller,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: but you had to be the big brother and the
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: little brother. I played different character. Stam would get possessed
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: or um Sam would be you know, dying from something.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: So I really anything there is to do on screen.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I did it on Supernatural and huge blessing and our
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: fandom is outstanding, you know, we see we got to
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: convince ins on weekends and I see based in the
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: audience that I've seen for over a decade, you know,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: so I didn't feel like it didn't feel like star fan.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: It feels like, hey, like longtime friends that happened, but
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: fashion about this that aired for a while. It's like
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: going to a concert or seeing somebody in a bar
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: that has a Pearl Jam shot on and you're like, dude,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: have you seen him live? Like yeah, Like it's it's
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: a shared passion for seeing like a Dallas Cowboys jersey
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: on somebody mewing like how about them boys? You know,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: and you have an immediate kind of kinscha um. It's
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: been a huge blessing. Yeah, I mean I I have
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: seen Pearl Jam a couple of times live and it's
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: it's quite something. Actually, it's a very serious evening, but
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: it's uh, it's cathartic to say the least um um.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Uh So, you're Supernatural co star Jensen Accles and I
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: just call him Accles. I don't think I've called him
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Jensen in twelve years. So he's got a show, The Winchesters,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: premiering soon. It's a prequel, is Supernatural? Are you excited
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: to s? Yeah? And I saw him. I was just
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: with him this past weekend in Kansas City and the
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: weekend before that in Denver, and like our kids go
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: to the same school. Like we're we're dear friends, you
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. We I was texting with him
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: yesterday about he was talking about some app that you
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: can download where you can stream television because sometimes I'm
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: in my trailer and I want to watch Walker or whatever.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Uh So we talked about all sorts of stuff. And
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: he's a hell of Texan and he grew up in
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: North Dallas. He's gotta walk three kids. I'm a Texan.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: We got a wife with three kids. You know, we're
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: both like country music fans and uh a lot to
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: talk about, you know what it is as you get older,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: you don't, you know. And I've got three young kids,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: a wife, and a couple of jobs, and so I
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: don't really see anybody unless there last thing is kind
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: of in the same house or they work on Walker.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: But he's directed Walker, and we're hoping to get him
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: on board, but he's he's going to go up in
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: New Mexico right now. He's a He's a heck of
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: a musician, isn't he. Well, yeah, he's great. He's great voice.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Uh always we used to go, Um, when we had
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: late nights on Supernatural, I take my guitar over to
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: his trailer or vice versa, and we just sat there
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and strong and play a little bit. But yeah, he's
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: since the day I met him in Jessa Pod, he's
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: always been noodling on guitar and singing in his beautiful voice.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: And as a band, that's that's great. Um, So tell
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: us a little bit about Walker. How did that come about?
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: You're you're the boss over there, you know, and you're
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: the star and you're the executive producer and it's premiering
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: tonight and it's exciting as all get out. Let's tell
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: us about it. So Walker happened? Uh, funny enough. I
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: think it was seasons fourteen or Supernatural and Jensen and
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I had a discussion with each other we had. We
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: had this for years and years because his wife and
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: kids lived in Austin and my wife and kids lived
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: in Austin. We're filming in a foreign country. I'll be
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: you know, it's Canada. It's not that it's but it's
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: it's a long flight or series of flights. You know.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: There was no direct clad sign and so we finally
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: one day we looked at each other, I think and
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: season fourteen, and we were like, hey, man, I think
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to hang up the flannel. You know, like, hey,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I think I am too, Like I'm ready to meet
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: my wife and kids who live in Texas while where
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: in Canadas dead. Um. And so we approached the studio
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: network and we're like, hey, you know, we we uh,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: we think if we do go another year, which would
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: be season fifteen, it's gonna be our our last season.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: And you know, discussions were had and they wanted more
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: and we wanted more as well. Obviously, Um, there was
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: no falling out or anything where it's like I'm done
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: with this show. It was legit, like, hey, like I
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: got three kids in school and I see them some months,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: some calendar months. I'd see my kids two days. You know,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: and that was just not You're like, well, I'm working
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: so hard so I can see my kids, but I
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: can't see my kids because I'm working so hard. There
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: must be a better middleground. And so we announced that
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: season fifteen would would be the final season. And then
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: talking with Mark Pettwitz uh then Presidency w and UH.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: He was like, hey, well, you know, if you're ever
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: interested in, you know, getting back on camera or developing
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: or something, I hope i'm your first phone call. And
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, Mark, thank you so much. Um,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it has to be in Austin. And
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: he was like that's a great ideas, Like, well, you know, um,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I would want to be a producer on it so
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I could help guide the storyline. And he's like, of course,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: like you've done three D something episodes of television, You've
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: been in the business for twenty years. And again I'm
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: kind of like, I feel like I was trying to
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: negotiate myself out of a job. He kept going, s
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: great idea, so uh So that kind of swam around
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: my head a little bit. And then I was talking
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: with my manager from when I was in high school
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: too now and we were like, well, something been Austin
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: what what what would be a good And I don't
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: remember who brought up Walker, but you know Walker is
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: a Texas Ranger and the headquarters of the Texas Rangers
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: is in the capital of Texas. The capital of Texas
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: is Austome and so funny enough, our our initial conversations,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: we're almost like, what about if if the new Walker,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: if if this goes is more about a family man
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: who's a ranger, not a ranger who has a family.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Does that make any sense? And we used as a
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: matter of fact, we used Gilmore Girls a lot, like hey,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: let's see, like the show is not about like roundhouse
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: kicking minorities, you know, Um, it's about a guy who's
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: trying to invest in can he's got kids and he's
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: a widower or he's a widow, um, and uh, he's
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: got a family, he's got a life. And I've been
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: very fortunate to have a lot of friends in law
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: enforcement and military, and you know, they have cool jobs
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: and have to enforced the law on this and that,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: but they're always just people. Going back to what we
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: talked about earlier with anxiety and depression, people are people,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: whatever outfit they're wearing, whether it's a badge or whether
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: it's a you know, burger king had um and there
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: serving you a bird. They're human beings that have emotions
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: and feelings, and they have pause and they have blows,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: and they have things they're passionate about. They have things
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: that they're not okay with, and so we just kind
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: of started developing the show. I read. I read an
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: article about it was an op ed back in the Times.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: It's a shameful think of but when there were people
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: at the border who were having to separate families and
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: put some in cages, as it's described, and I read
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: an op ed from one of the law enforcement officials
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: who was there and something happened and they couldn't bring
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: themselves to keep doing it, and the o ed was
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, I was being asked to
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: separate this four year old from their dad, and I
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: have a four year old, and all I could think
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: of is like if somebody tried to that to me,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: like I'd ripped the throat out, And so they put
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: their badge and you're gone on their captain's desk and said,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: like I understand I might lose my pension. I understand
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I might get caughte martial or something, but I can't
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: do this. And I was fascinated by that idea of
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: you know, you're bound by duty and you want to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: do the right thing, and you believe that doing the
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: right thing is going to be following the letter of
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: the law, but you also have a moral conscience and
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: you want to do what's right overall. Um. And so
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: that's kind of how we started developing Walker, And now
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: here we are we're shooting episode uh six of season three,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and tonight uh we premiered the prequel as well, Walker Independence,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: which we have been developing since Walker even aired, which
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: we aired our first episode in January. And right before
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: we aired our first episode of Walker, James kem Fighi,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: who is showrunning Walker Independence and was then COEP for Walker,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: was like, heyn idea, I've been trying to think about,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: like the Walker family and Texas and the roots, and
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I think there's a story there were like, yeah, there
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: probably is, like, uh, you know, uh, what are you thinking?
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: And again you start developing and now Walker Independence, or
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Wendy as we call it is a is a Rockham
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Sockem home run of the show. If you ask me,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: and I think so exciting. It's so exciting. So everybody
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: tune in h Walker starring Jared Pedal A key. Okay,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: let's do some Dean trivia. What is Dean allergic to? Oh? God,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: walnuts truck? What's his favorite ice cream? Do you know? Uh?
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Shop puncher cookie meant? Where did Dean first kiss Rory
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: on the porch? No? Dozy smart kit? Where did Dean
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: move from when he moved? Two Stars Hollow, Chicago? There
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: you go. What sport did he play in high school? Hockey?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Ice hockey? Correct? What was the name of his younger sister? Uh? Um,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: you got yeah, let's got it. Sawyer Clara Clara close
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: close close? Uh? What was his favorite movie? Roseman's Baby?
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: That was my first line was Lord of the Rings?
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: All right, now, Rd of the Rings, Lord of the
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Rings story. I read the books before the movies came out,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: and I think it was season three. We had that big,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: massive scene. It must have been a thanksgaming episode. Um.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: We shot there on the lock and everybody was in
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: the scene and uh ed Herman Rest in Peace was
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: also in the scene, and in between takes he noticed
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: that I was reading Lord of the Rings and so
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: he came up and he's saying, you know, are you
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: enjoying the book? He's like, yeah, I love it and
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I want to get through them before the movies came
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: out and this and that. He says, where are you
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: uh in the books? And there it was. It was
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: fooliship for the ring of the time. I hadn't gotten
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: to two Towers or uh looking yet, and so I
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, they just went through the minds of
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Moria and and then he kind of looked away and
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: went as the drone goes boom boom the Hobbits really
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: like he he recited the passage that I had literally
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: just read like five minutes earlier, and verbatim, he just
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: where I was in a book, which was one of
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: three books and recited something from it. Uh thanks, remember
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: going wow, like that's a ring on this guy. Amazing, amazing,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: amazing actor. Um all right, rapid fire. How many cups
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: of coffee do you have a day? Well? Are you
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: team Logan, Team Team Jess or Team Dean? Who's your
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: favorite Gilmore Girls character? Oh, Kirk, what would you order
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Luke's Diner? Uh? Okay, when would you rather go on
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: a road trip? With Taylor or Michelle. You can say
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: neither if he gives you want. I love them both
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: as people. Also go with Michelle. Okay, finish the lyric
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: and where you lead. I will follow dot dot dot
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: anywhere anywhere that you tell me to. Good. Yes, Jackson's
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: vegetables are Suki's baked Goods baked? Would you rather listen
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: to Drella's harp or the Troubadours cover songs? Tudor Children,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Prepper Stars, Hollow High Stars, Hollow. Hi? There you go?
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: All right, Jared, We're not going to keep you any
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: longer of us more time than you should have. We
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. I we'd love to do it again. Um.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how excited we were to hear
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: that you were coming on. And I appreciate it so much. Um.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: You are a huge part of our analyzes and our
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: breakdowns of shows. You You are maybe the top guy
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: that we are, you know, fawning all over and just
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: marveling at and uh, what a great guy you are?
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: What a courageous human being? Uh you are or for
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: the work that you do? Uh, so much respect for you,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: so much love for you, my friend, and uh Um,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I am so happy at all of your success. It
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: is well deserved from somebody who is so loving and
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: so generous. Um, and the best to your family and
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: and continued success for you, my friend. And and uh
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: great great, yeah, I know great talking to you. And
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: uh and uh, I'll take you around some barbecue joints.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. All right, buddy,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: have a have a have a great rest of the
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: off day. And all the best to you. Okay, Acus,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: you're bron all right. Yeah, Hey everybody, and don't forget
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: and email us at Gilmore at I heart radio dot com. Oh,
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