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John Haller: Unbiblical Worldviews Among Christians; War in Israel · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Today our guest, John Haller, we're going live.
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First time we've done this on Facebook and Rumble.
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John, welcome.
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Good to see you, brother.
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Good to see you.
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All right.
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Never assured of things to talk about.
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I'm going to just let everybody in on a secret behind the scenes.
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John said he wanted to go two hours, but we can only do an hour.
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I don't know if you have that on recorded.
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I think I said I could go to.
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Well, actually, you've done two and three hour updates, haven't you?
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I've done a couple two hours, yeah.
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With other people.
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No, well, I've done a couple hours on my own.
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That's really not hard for me.
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Sometimes somebody gives you, the Lord gives you the gift of gab maybe.
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And when he gives you that, he also gives you the inability to know when to be quiet.
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Well, sometimes, but anyways, it kind of go hand in hand.
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It's good information, but guys, I appreciate you watching share.
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Okay, if you're watching, just share it if you're on Facebook.
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And we want to go to the first topic, John.
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And Lord, just lead us and guide us and help us to encourage the body of Christ.
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And maybe draw in some people that want to get an idea of what the biblical world view
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is all about.
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I've got an email, and this is breaking in my inbox, just today, a couple hours ago,
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new Barna research at the Cultural Research Center.
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And John Haller, it says,
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contradictory American worldview mashups are a recipe for disaster.
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And I'm going to cut right to the chase.
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It says typical American adult adopts beliefs and behaviors from an average of nine different
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worldviews, including Marxism, Eastern mysticism and secular humanism.
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John, before we get to another quote from the research,
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your thoughts on where we are and that kind of devastating information?
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Well, you know, in second Timothy chapter three, also over in first Timothy,
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we're told that in the last days, perilous times will come.
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And it says people will be lovers of their own selves,
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covetous boasters, proud blasphemers.
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I mean, it goes through a list that describes probably a lot of the different
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worldviews that you that Barna came up with in his survey.
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And people just sort of pick one from column A and some from column B,
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and they come up with a worldview, and there's not really a consistent worldview.
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Because I see this, and I think we'll talk about this in just a moment when we talk about
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an interview that Tucker Carlson did, which shows this mashup happening in real time.
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And so we know that this is going to be the way it's going to be in the end times.
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You know, it's very hard to find someone with a consistent coherent worldview today.
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I mean, look, I was a trial lawyer for 40 some years.
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I've tried cases in front of a jury, and I may have told you this before if not, I'll say it again,
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because I think it's important when I used to go to seminars, trial lawyer practice seminars,
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they would teach us how you go about being effective in presenting your case.
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That's what they were like using charts and graphs and PowerPoint and slick-looking slides and
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that sort of thing. But somewhere in the middle of my career, so I became a lawyer in 1980.
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So sometime in the 90s to 2000, things changed, David.
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The seminars I went to switched from here is how you present things to here is how you appeal
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to people's emotions. And so there was a whole shift in the culture.
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I remember doing a seminar at a national church conference back in 2001.
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It was really about six, seven weeks before 9-11. And I talked about what I saw,
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you know, my research and looking at things and prophecy and that sort of thing was that
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this postmodernism thing was going to sort of overtake the world.
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It was interesting. I don't know if it's recorded someplace. I think I still have my PowerPoint
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someplace. That's prophetic. That I prepared. But I had a couple of pastors push back on me.
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Oh, John, you don't understand. They said postmodernism will be a really good thing for the church
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because people are asking questions. But the problem is we as conveyors of God's truth,
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we're supposed to be giving them answers to the questions, not allowing them to wallow
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and feel great because they're asking questions. So it was a very, it's been a very problematic
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thing in the church. First Timothy and second Timothy talk about it as an end time phenomenon.
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We have these things in our culture. So for example, you will watch a church. I'll use an
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example of North Point Church with Andy Stanley that I guess kind of low, it's kind of low hanging
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for you I know. But you know, he had a he had a conference recently where they were helping people
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deal with children who might be going through transgender questioning issues. And the whole
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orientation of the conference was, hey, this is what we need to do. We need to support them.
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We need to affirm them because if we don't, they'll commit suicide. This is the great myth that's
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risen up around these things. And then later in the conference, Andy Stanley got up and said,
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but at North Point, while we, you know, we allow homosexuals to do this and that and that type of
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thing. And I don't think he said that exactly. He said, we, we stand for traditional marriage.
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But then you go and look at the people who attended the conference and they say, this was the
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most gay affirming conference I've ever been to. And gay marriage affirming conference I've
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ever been to except for that thing that Andy Stanley said on Sunday. So there you have a very
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sync, sync, sync, artistic worldview. Mike Barnes talking about in his survey where people take
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a little bit from Colomé, a little bit from Colomé. We've seen this and I've written on this years
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ago and it cost me a lot of I was asked to resign from a board of a seminary because I was questioning
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the orientation of the institution's spiritual formation program. Not that the term spiritual
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formation, if it means just the discipleship, that's okay. Yeah. But what happens is people have
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brought everything in the world under the guys in under the guys of spiritual formation so that you
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have a very sync, artistic worldview where people bring in outright rank Eastern mysticism practices
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into evangelical seminaries. And this is true in many evangelical seminaries. Some are holding
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the fort. Some have tried to claw their way back from falling where they fallen. But it's a sync
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artistic worldview. Maybe I can give you a practical example. In 2015, John Paul II, not John
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Paul II, Pope Francis went to Congress and gave a speech at Congress. Now he's the head of the
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Roman Catholic Church. But look, when you look and unpack what he is, he's a radical leftist,
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Marxist liberation theologian. Yes. And so he's brought all this Marxism nonsense into his
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Catholic faith. So when he gives the speech to our Congress, he says, here are three examples of
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people who you should follow. Number one was Martin Luther King. Now there's things we can like
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about Martin Luther King, but he himself was very sync artistic and a lot of the ways that he
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approached things. The second person he said was Dorothy Day, who is one of the most radical American
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Marxist, Leninist communists that we've ever had. She used to write a magazine called the Catholic
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Worker, Catholic Social Work, Catholic Worker magazine. She lived up around Cleveland. She lived
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with a guy. She wasn't even a good Catholic. And I have to know the niece of someone of the
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guy that she lived with for a long time. And she was just a miserable, lousy human being. But
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here is the Pope praising this lunatic. Wow. Then the third person that he said was Thomas
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Martin was a Catholic monk. To this day, I would call him the patron saint of Christian
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mysticism that has permeated itself through a lot of aspects of seminary spiritual formation programs
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and new age that's been brought into the church. And he was more, in fact, I have a video
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somewhere of the Dalai Lama saying, Martin came to us and this was very important. East West
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meet together in one person, very important coming together. Wow. That's a Dalai Lama.
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And so, Martin, and by the way, Martin died. He was on a trip to Tibet to meet his Buddhist brothers
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and spend time in their monasteries. And he was, I think he was at a hotel in Thailand. He
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reached for a lamp and was electrocuted. Now, some people think he was killed intentionally. That's,
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you know, how it is. You know, nobody dies a natural death these days, it seems. But he died,
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but he is to this day, very popular. And when he died, David, his obituary was on the front page
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of the New York Times. A guy that a lot of Christians have never heard of.
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But the seminary people have, the seminary people pushing him through spiritual formation,
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medicillculary and the people up at the big church where Bill Heibles was in Willow Creek.
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Willow Creek. Yep. That lend Heibles, they were all pushing Thomas Keating.
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And maybe a Trabberman, I can never remember. But Thomas Keating and some of these things,
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and they're all pushing the same thing. And so then that sort of carries over into things like
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the inniagram, you know, this thing that you're, which comes out of the occult
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in the new age, Marsha Montenegro and Don Van Oite wrote a great book on that on the inniagram.
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And by the way, one of the big proponents of the inniagram is, and he's Stanley.
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So, I mean, so there's like this circle of everybody sort of, well, we're evangelical, we're Christian,
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but you know, they're on like that, the tilt of world, you know, where they're kind of going
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around the outside of the center of Christianity. And they're just kind of picking up stuff as
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they're flipping, you know, rotating around the center of Christianity. So, and they just kind
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of throw it at the next. You just reinforced the new conclusions from Barnas research,
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and you explained it very well in what you just shared because he said the typical American adult
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adopts beliefs and behaviors from an average of nine distinct worldviews. And that's a
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hodgepodge of philosophies that contradict. And this is known as synchrotism. So, friends, if
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you just joined us on Facebook, a rumble live, we're with John Haller, talking about biblical
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worldview issues. And the new Barnas research shows that synchrotism represents 92 percent
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of American adults, dominant philosophy of life. And that's up from 88 percent just three
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years ago. So, this is disturbing. John, but what you just said also reminds us of the level of
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biblical illiteracy in the church, because we don't know about mysticism, spiritual formation,
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Marxism, other, these other ideologies that have crept in. Isn't that from Jude or, you know,
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they have crept in among us? Crept in unaware. That's right. Yeah. And so, and so what happens is so
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when I raised the issue, I was immediately labeled as divisive. John, you're divisive. And I'm like,
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so I asked the person that that charged me with this. I said, oh, by what standard am I divisive?
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And I said, they said, well, Titus 1, 9 reject a fractious divisive man after the first warning.
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But I said, you don't even know what the Bible says on that issue. And this was a favorite
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thing of James McDonald before he had the big blow up in his life and career, the church harvest
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chapel. I think harvest chapel and the suburbs of Chicago. And he said, yeah, you're a divisive man,
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if you don't, and it's you're a divisive man, if you don't agree with me. But the scriptural standard
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for divisiveness is someone who does not follow the truth of the scripture. That's the divisive man
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that you should mark. That's the divisive man that you should avoid. Not the one who stands for
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what the Bible says. Yes. And so what did they do? They've inverted what that passage was even
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trying to take. And by the way, the word for divisiveness in Titus that's used there is the
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Greek word heretico. That's exactly right. That's where we get our word heretic from. That's
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the Greek antecedent of the English word heretic. So you can see how it all kind of fits together.
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Yep. So John, a couple of the things from the study, this is very interesting. You've heard the
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expression do what thou wilt, right? So what Barnas says, one of the examples of significant
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held beliefs, quote, as long as you do know harm, do whatever you want. And that is a core tenet
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of wica and satanism, as well as a principle embraced by secular humanism. And this idea is held
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by ready friends. I hope you're sitting down, a projected 40 million American results. So
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it's no wonder we have so many problems with the from the biblical worldview declining and just
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lack of understanding of the Bible. John, your thoughts before we move on quick.
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Well, and in the Barnas survey that we've talked about, he does say that there's a biblical
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worldview of 4%. And that's pretty consistent with this prior surveys of Barnas. He kind of
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years ago, he broke down the Christian faith into like five fundamentals. And what he found was
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that among evangelical Christians, it was like, I don't know, 4 or 8% to held all five of them.
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So this has been a problem. So I'm with my friends who believe in the rapture and that type of thing.
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But if you ever see the video, my friend Bill Salis uses this video and the guys up there preaching
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in a church service and the rapture happens, you know, and the Bible's fall to the ground. And then
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there's like a bunch of people standing around. It's funny if you want to look at that video
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closely. Everybody was in a suit and tie got raptured. It's the guys who were there in T-shirts
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and shorts who've been left behind. I just thought of it. It's just kind of interesting. I don't
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know if there's a subtext there from the people who prepared that video. But you know, I'm not sure
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that the rapture will be maybe the event that changes so much. It may be, for example, if it happens
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at a church, I had a pastor tell me, I think the church will be full on Sunday. Because these people
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are going to figure out, wait a minute, what would we miss? They're not gone. So the next Sunday,
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they'll be there. And it may be that if people are there, it's like, did you go to the bathroom,
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is he's been like he's been in the bathroom for a while here during the service? And that may be
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how it happens. I don't want it to happen that way. I'm just saying he has, when you look at
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these studies, that indicates that that may be the way that it happens, unfortunately.
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Okay, we're going to get to Israel. We're going to talk about an article over at the Jerusalem
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post. Also, we'll talk about Christ and the checkpoint, the Biden administration, some of the move
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they're making. Also, you said some fascinating things in an email, John, at most 20 of the hostages
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they were taken by Hamas are still alive and don't believe Hamas and their numbers. But we're also
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going to answer this question when we come back from our break, question posted by Nancy. John
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And again, our website worldviewmatters.tv. So John Haller, you heard that question. Let's get to
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that first because we're going to get in the realm of politics and which is very important in
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this day and age with a huge election in November. So Nancy's question obviously doesn't know who
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to support because there are some rhinos. There are some trying to fight the good fight. We could
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list some of those centers maybe on one or two hands. And she's concerned about all these
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emails asking for donations. And I also want to get your thoughts, John, about
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reaching across the aisle and compromising. Didn't Jesus say, if you're either for me or against
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me, you're the forest or against us? Anyway, go ahead, John. Answer Nancy's question.
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So this is, by the way, this is sort of where I wanted to go with this next section to talk about
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because in Nancy's not a plant, this is not somebody pretending my wife pretending to be somebody
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else. It's not that and it's not me either. Because look, let's be honest with it, this has been a
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very disappointing week. Politics is very disappointing. So we need it. Our hope is in Jesus,
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not politics, not political parties. Because those will ultimately disappoint. So let me just,
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let me, let me give you like two or three examples of what's going on. So Johnson and the Republicans
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this week. Now I'm sure that Mike Johnson, and what he says, he's a Christian, I don't have any
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reason to doubt him. Okay. But politics is compromised. And people, it's very hard to be consistent
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all the way through on your pot and your politics and your world view and everything.
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So I'm sure Mike Johnson is a supporter of Israel. And so I've seen people like Tony
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Brook is for Family Research Council, jet, my friend Jack Kibs have come out and say Mike
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Johnson is a great guy because he got this budget thing through Congress to that included an aid
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package for Israel. And we're all very happy about that because Israel needs help in part because
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we prior administrations, the prior first two Obama administrations and now the third Obama
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administration have sort of really restricted Israel and what Israel's been able to do. And I
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don't like it. People in Israel don't like it. But we make them, oh, you have to buy the weapons
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from us. But don't you have to buy the weapons from us, but don't use them unless we give you
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permission, which is a horrible position for them to be. And when they're at war with a mortal
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enemy, they're under an existential threat. So Johnson put through the legislation,
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but the legislation carried a lot of baggage with it. It carried a lot of aid for Ukraine.
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Yes. And by the way, I was just talking to a friend a little while ago. And we can argue the
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merits of the Ukraine, Russia war and everything. You know, it's possible that you don't like either
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side in this. And I just think that there's very syncretistic views when it comes to the
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Vladimir Putin on the right. A lot of fanboys of Vladimir Putin on the right, even though he's,
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listen, I have evangelical pastor friends in Ukraine. Russia shut down in the areas they've taken
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over. They've virtually shut that in prison. A lot of evangelical pastors and people.
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It's just a fact, folks, whether you like it or not, that's what's going on. And this aid included
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a lot of like missiles were going to them. And my understanding is they're firing the missiles already.
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Wait a minute. They just passed the legislation a couple days ago. Yeah. What I guess Amazon
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does delivering missiles now or something? I don't know. How did they get them there that quickly?
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And but this could, you know, Putin is upset and Putin this could lead to a thermonuclear war.
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And so the world is very precarious. So Johnson let that go through because he was getting the
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Israel aid. And they also renewed the FISA nonsense. And by the way, which they're using to come
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after Christians, let's just be honest with it. They're prosecuting 80 some year old grandmother
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for praying outside an abortion clotting, getting them convicted,
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angripping them on legal fees. They're facing 10 or 11 years in jail and, you know, like $260,000
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in fines. And the courts are imposing this on these people. And it's to destroy them. But the
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Black Lives Matter and other Antifa and all these leftist crazies, they don't prosecute.
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So we're in a real cultural war right now. And listen, they're going after Trump.
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Whether you like Trump or not, the big picture thing on Trump is they're destroying
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the system. They are interfering with the election by prosecuting him. He cannot leave New York.
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He has to be in the courtroom every day. He's getting like three minutes a day, four days a week
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to talk to people. They're threatening with contempt. And I am telling you, I've been watching
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their arguments. I'm a lawyer. So I'd give me a little bit of credit. I do know the law.
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And I've tried many, many cases. I am telling you that this is the most egregiously bad,
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stupid, moronic, without legal foundation case I have ever seen in my life this
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thing in New York. Because first they come in and say, Trump interfered in the election
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in 2016 by paying somebody off in 2017. It doesn't make any sense. It's in the people
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that like Mike Davis who's watching this and he says, it doesn't make any sense. I don't know what
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I don't know where they're going. They don't even know where they're going. And they brought
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somebody in from the Biden, O'Biden Justice Department to try the case. It's terrible. And listen,
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again, whether you like Trump or not is totally irrelevant. The issue is if they'll do it to him,
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they'll do it to you. And they are doing it to you in many ways. So so this is so we're very
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disappointed with the face of the thing. Yes. As Congress has exempted from this. Yes, you can
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continue talking about that. I had Patrick Wood on the other day talking about that as well.
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But we have to remember out. Just want to remind everybody when you're looking at candidates,
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please pay more attention to the local and your state elections because that's where we've really
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dropped the ball where we can have influence. And it does affect us in our communities right close
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to home. But let's look at the federal level. Don't don't allow the media and the left can to make
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you think about personalities. Trump and Biden, it should be policy platform and procedures. Look
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at what Trump did when he was in office. And I wasn't a huge Trump fan by any stretch. And I don't
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like his personality. I don't like his some of his language. But I'll tell you what his policies.
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When he got in office, I stand behind his pro life stance, his pro Israel, the economy was rocking.
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And anyway, that's that's enough of that. But policies, platforms and procedures, John,
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quick question. Do you think the left in part is using this as a massive smoke screen because
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of everything else there, their other hand is doing behind the scenes and what the and the
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awful economy and the Biden administration, what they're getting away with because they're
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using it as a distraction. Look, yeah, absolutely. They're using it as a distraction. And they're
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doing a lot of things in the background the way they're doing funding things. And they complain,
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you know, like, well, Trump will do this. But listen, they've been laundering money through
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NGOs and left wing billionaires have been funding things and way elections are operating
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United States. And the system is broken in my opinion. So listen, as it as to to Mike Johnson,
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as to Trump, they're going to their politicians are going to disappoint us. So people just have to
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make the decision. Can I in my conscience vote for them? And we have the issue coming up right now
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of abortion. Yep. Got rovers is weighed overturned because of the people that Trump appointed.
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So they get rovers is weighed overturned. And then they find the statute in Arizona and say,
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hey, this statute bans all abortions in Arizona. And so what's what's everybody doing? Trump's
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doing a carry lake, other people, you know, other politicos. Oh, we can't let this stand. We got
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a we got to soften this law or we're going to lose the election. And that may very well be true.
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But then again, maybe God will bless you if you stand up for the right thing and allow this
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law to remain. But I was just seeing an article this morning about that. But here's where the
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syncretism thing works, David, because this will this will get us into the Israel thing. Because
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there was a recent interview that Tucker Carlson did of a guy named monther Isaac who is a
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and I'll use scare quotes in the most meaningful way, scare quotes, a Lutheran pastor from Bethlehem.
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Oh, right. I will tell you that the from a journalistic standpoint and someone who has met
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monther Isaac who has been to a Christ at the checkpoint conference has been following what these
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people have been doing for years. Tucker's interview, he should be embarrassed with himself.
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It was that bad. It was pathetically awful because he allowed this man who hates Jews, who hates
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Israel. And he is himself a get get this here becomes that term again, a Marxist liberation
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theologian to get on there unchallenged. Oh my goodness. And just few lies about Israel.
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So in Bethlehem, when Israel was in charge of Bethlehem, the Christian population and again,
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I'm going to use Christian in kind of a broad sense because I don't think they're all
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true blue, you know, really hardcore Christians. But among the Palestinians in Bethlehem 85% Christian.
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Under the Oslo Accords, that area was turned over to the Palestinians that populate the Christian
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population of that area now. And I've been there, my friends who live there is somewhere between
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three and seven percent Christian. When Hamas took over Gaza back in 2005, 2005, there were Christians
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there. Now there are hardly any there. The Christian population within Israel among both Messianics
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and Palestine Arabs among Arabs in the Israeli proper population is growing. I mean, I have a
31:53
survey sitting right up here on my shelf that somebody sent me recently done. Used to be 40 years
31:59
ago. People thought there were 200 Jewish believers in Jesus in Israel. Now that number is around
32:09
30,000. So when Tucker gets on there with a straight face that says, oh, you know,
32:15
what he wants to talk about, how the Israel is oppressing Christians, he's factually ignorant
32:21
of the truth. Wow. And so when he says this, there is a bigger agenda there. And I know some
32:31
people were inside of Fox and look, Tucker's views on Israel have been well known. He never
32:37
talked about it. He's not this way. So there was a pastor. I don't know if I should name him. I
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referenced him in some interviews that I did. By the way, the article that you showed was an article
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at tabletmagazine tabletmag.org by Dumbassani Washington and another person. And I interviewed
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Dumbassani. Yeah. That was good. Showed last week, only 30 minutes too, which is a record for me.
33:03
But Dumbassani is a great believer, Israel supporter, and just a superb individual. And
33:12
way more articulate than I. But I mentioned this in the interview with Dumbassani. And also when I
33:18
think I did something with the Olivier Malmokona, because this is a, I think this is a very big deal.
33:23
And we've a lot of controversy about Candace Owens and stuff right now where she is.
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And so Caroline Glick, who I opened in review in the next couple of weeks,
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prayed that that comes together. We're having trouble scheduling it. But she's agreed to it so far.
33:38
But she said, look, I don't, I don't want it. She said this a few months ago. I don't want to say
33:42
that Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens are anti-Semitic. But they sure seem to interview a lot of them
33:48
and never challenge them on anything when they do. And so I'm not there Isaac is this way. Jesus
33:53
was a Palestinian Jew. He was a Palestinian refugee. And so there's this image that Christ at
34:05
the checkpoint uses the baby Jesus in the manger in Bethlehem wrapped in a Palestinian califa.
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I'm not sure if I'm saying the right word. You know, the scarf that they have, the black and white
34:22
scarf. When the Pope went to Bethlehem in 2014, by the way, he went to manger square and he did a
34:33
mass in front of the church of the activity, the oldest church in Christendom in the world.
34:40
And in the background was a mural of Mary and a Berca, Joseph wearing the Palestinian headscarf.
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The baby says in the manger at the same thing that month or Isaac is pushing in his interviews
34:56
that he pushed a Christmas this year. You know, Jesus, the Palestinian refugee and the rebel.
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And by the way, the three wise men at the Pope, the mural behind the pope and the mass in Bethlehem
35:08
were the last three popes. Pope Paul VI, John Paul II in Benedict. Those were the three wise men.
35:17
So this narrative, you see the narrative. So here's what this pastor said because I think
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he is said in a couple of sentences why I could easily take five or six pages to do.
35:29
You've now reached the point where right wing isolationists and nationalists
35:34
have essentially the same anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic beliefs as left wing Neo-Marxist
35:41
and Hamas supporters. Can you think of any other issue where the polarization between left and right
35:50
has dissolved in such a way and I will add and dissolved as quickly as it has to a more or less
35:57
unified position. Let me put it another way with Tucker, Carlson, every agree with people
36:03
on the left in regards to abortion, LGBTQ or the border, of course not. Then why you see the
36:10
archotype of a certain nationalist stream on the right, which we agree with on many issues.
36:17
That forming a pro-Homass, a pro-October 7th, atrocities, priests, and basically articulating the
36:25
same anti-Zionist narrative as the pro-Homass leftist protesters. So what you need to do is you
36:32
need to watch people like Tucker. You need to watch people like Candace Owens as we are having this
36:39
meltdown of Ayan Hershey Ali who was raised in an Islamic country in Somalia. She fled.
36:49
Remember she had to leave the Netherlands because her life was under threat. She was an atheist
36:57
for a long time. She's now married to Miles Ferguson. My understanding is she's become a believer in
37:03
Jesus. She's one of the most articulate, intelligent women on the planet. She said these are not
37:11
pro-Homass protests. These are anti-Israel anti-issue protests. They're taking place.
37:18
So watch whether these people on the right, who are our allies on certain issues. Let's be honest
37:24
about that. When will they criticize these protests at Columbia, Harvard, Yale, Penn, Ohio,
37:32
the Ohio State University, and everywhere else, Cal Berkeley? This is egregious what's happening.
37:41
This is terrible. And Ayan Hershey Ali is exactly correct in what she says. And so what this is
37:48
plays at the Bible prophecy though, David, because in Zachariah 12 verse 2, it says,
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I'm going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes drunken reeling to all people. And we're seeing
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that happen. Because what do they, what do they call it? This operation that Gaza did and that
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Ayan has picked up on. And Hasbalah has picked up on. Is Operation Al-Aksaf what? Because it's all
38:16
centered around Jerusalem and more specifically the temple now. So we need, we need to hold so
38:22
that it's kind of a long and right about way to answer this wonderful question that this lady asks.
38:29
But I'm saying is we, you need to vote your conscience. I'm not going to get up and say if you
38:36
vote for Trump, you're not a Christian. I don't think that that's the point. And I'm not going to
38:41
get up and say, my Johnson isn't a Christian because he made a really stupid compromise on the
38:49
face of thing, which is going to harm Christians. Okay, I'm not willing to say that. I will say
38:54
he's stupid for what he did. But I'm not going to say that he's not a Christian for it. I'm
38:59
not going to add to the gospel in that way. So I don't know if any interest is the question.
39:03
Yeah, but John, we've got a lot of secretism. Yeah, we've got to talk together.
39:08
We've got several questions to get to and we're not going to get to them all. But
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Donovan said, I had a pastor tell me I must vote for the lesser of two evils. After I told him,
39:18
my state assemblyman vote votes for abortion. My pastor thinks I should vote for this guy in order
39:25
to save the world. And he says evil is evil. There are pastors out there that put more trust in
39:31
sinners than they do in God. And so what are your thoughts on that real quick?
39:35
You know, look, as I said, politics is always going to involve compromise. And it's always
39:41
going to involve disappointment. So the question is, you're going to have to hold an as a vote
39:47
in a lot of cases. And understand, if you don't vote for the person that the really bad person
39:54
may get at. And that's, look, it shows that we live in a fallen world and that's not going to
39:59
change until the king returns. Okay, here's another one. John, why should we vote for a two-party
40:05
system that wishes to destroy its own people? Why should we pay to live and pay to die?
40:16
Well, look, there is a point that comes, I think, where people have to say, am I going to
40:25
stay here? You know, that's America. Yeah, I have friends who've left because they just say we
40:32
don't see any hope for this. We don't know where it's going. And again, that's an individual
40:38
conscious decision that people are going to have been. So I don't think there's an absolute
40:44
right or wrong way. But look, I'm frustrated too. I don't like paying taxes for these horrible
40:51
things. And listen, when you had Patrick Wood on this week, and I'm sure you talked about AI
40:56
and technology and technology and all those things. Yeah. I'm going to talk to Patrick about that
41:02
for about 20 years. And I, well, at least it's close to 20 years since I met him. And listen,
41:10
it's only gotten worse. In fact, I even think I saw a point last year where Patrick said, well,
41:15
you know, we're still kind of moving along this thing on the end times. And it's like, oh, we're
41:18
here now. We're here now. You know, well, the days of hot, right? Yeah, it's moving so rapidly
41:27
that it's really hard for people on what we would call the Washington community to keep up because
41:33
it's, you know, I can do a two hour update. I can do it eight hour update very, very easily
41:41
because there's so much going on that's relevant. All right, we have talked on this podcast. And as
41:46
you probably have on many of your updates about what's happening on the college campuses in America,
41:51
that tends to be tedious. I think for a lot of people, more believers, I think are understanding
41:56
how we got here, meaning the K through 12 indoctrination system, the social justice activism,
42:03
they're they're making disciples of the left. And then they go to universities that are anti-Christian
42:09
and anti-Semites and they're pushing all these views that are all, you know, social justice. But
42:18
they're not Christian. And so we're not surprised by what's happening. But John, I think we have to
42:22
go back to Israel. And let's start with just a couple articles that one of them at the Jerusalem
42:28
post that Israel is already at war in the North escalation with Lebanon is inevitable. What are
42:35
your thoughts on that? Because that's an opinion piece at the J post.
42:39
Yeah, that's by Avi Albo, who I met near the menorah in the old city when I was there about a
42:45
year and a half ago. He was walk-up bad because he's social media guy. But he's right. You know,
42:51
people that I follow, Seth Fransman, Jonathan Spire, the great people to all my research. I've
42:58
done some interviews with them that are on a YouTube channel. That North is a very, very
43:05
difficult problem. So when they went into Gaza, you know, by the way, the early assessments were
43:15
Israel was going to lose 15 to 20,000 soldiers in Gaza. They've lost about 300. So that's almost
43:23
like a miracle that that's all that they've lost. Now the hostage situation is still as bad down
43:30
there. I heard there were only 20 hostages alive. Now today I heard there might be more. They
43:35
did release a video of one hostage showing that he's still alive, although he's lost at hand.
43:45
And so his parents were there and it's horrible. I mean, you can imagine what it's like to have
43:49
your child under the control of these absolute evil demonic lunatics called Hamas. So they've
43:58
done better. But when they went in, they thought there were, you know, 180 miles of tunnels.
44:03
They find there are five or six hundred miles of tunnels. They can't deal with it. I
44:09
interviewed a guy who was in Gaza and he said you clear an area and you go back 20 minutes later
44:14
and three people pop up with RPGs and hand grenades throwing them at you. And so while Israel
44:20
controls appears to control the surface, the underground thing is unbelievable. Five or six hundred
44:28
miles. Understand that in the north, what Israel's facing is probably worse by a factor of 10.
44:39
The tunnels are drilled through Bedrock. They probably go all the way to Beirut, which is probably
44:43
30, 40 miles from the Israeli border. They have 50,000 regular fighters and probably another 50 to
44:52
100,000 in reserve that they can get their hands on pretty quickly. They have 10 times, 10 to
44:58
20 times the number of rockets that Hamas had in Gaza. And many of these have precision guided
45:05
and longer ranges. When I interviewed a guy from all the name, Abraham Levine, I said, well,
45:11
what happens if the war breaks out in the north? And he said, no Israeli child will go to school
45:17
in Israel for a year. So process that in the north and these border communities. And Pamela,
45:25
I went, we drove all through this all the way along this border in 2017. It kind of reminds
45:31
of California, the hills and the way the geography is. But you know, you know, the Kiryat Shimon,
45:38
it's a town of 25 little city of 25,000 people. It's empty. There are 80,000 people from the north
45:46
that don't live where they used to live. There are 120,000 people from the Gaza that they call the Gaza
45:51
envelope that don't live where they did. Now, some have started to return this week, by the way.
45:56
But one lady, I saw an interview about a lady at a Caboots, 30% of the people have come back. And
46:02
those of us who've come back were traumatized. We won't go out and take a walk. If we won't hang
46:08
our laundry outside at certain times of the day, because they're right on the other side of the border
46:14
with 500 miles of tunnels. And they've been a lot killed, but they're still a lot there. But the
46:21
tunnels in the north are embedded under a bedrock. So you have 200,000 people internally displaced
46:26
in Israel. And so when I ran shot a bunch of missiles, really kind of an unprecedented
46:35
attack on April 13th, April 13th, they shot 300 combination of drones, cruise missiles,
46:44
and ballistic missiles. 99% of those either failed to launch, maybe about 30% of those failed
46:52
early on. The rest were shot down, mostly by Israel, also by US, Jordan, Saudi Arabia,
47:00
also participated in shooting these towns when things went over. No drones entered Israeli
47:07
official Israeli territory, airspace. So it was almost people who had IDF are saying that we were
47:14
able to shoot everything down, like this was a miracle. This was God's hand guiding us. And maybe
47:21
this is true. Yeah. But that was just that's 300. Hezbollah is estimated to have the capability to
47:30
be able to launch 5,000 a day for an extended period of time. There are estimates I saw
47:41
later, he interviewed recently. She is a former IDF analyst. She said that what happens if there's
47:48
a war in the North, Israel could lose 200 to 500 civilians every day for months.
48:00
So we need to factor this in. So this raises the issue of the SAMHSA option and how they're
48:07
going to go about this. Look, when I look at it, a purely secular analysis, not factoring
48:16
ungod or that this is where God wants these people to be and he's calling them back from the
48:22
nations, just as he prophesied and passages like Ezekiel 36, I'll bring them back and unbelief.
48:31
And then I will give you a new heart and then you will know that I am the Lord. So we're in
48:36
the midst of this process of what's happening. So with the protest in New York and Boston and
48:44
all across college campuses, across the country, like Northwestern University today and they're
48:51
not arresting people. They're calling off the police. It's like 2020, right?
48:58
Yeah, it's this all over again. They're not going to be prosecuted.
49:04
Columbia University has shut down. If you were a parent of a Jewish and a parent of a college,
49:09
why would you send your kid to Harvard or Columbus? Oh my goodness, I know. By the way, Mike, the guy that
49:15
does dirty jobs, the TV show, dirty jobs, Mike, whatever his name is, he said, he has his
49:24
foundation supports trade schools. I saw an article we wrote today. I'm proud to tell you
49:30
that no trade schools are having anti-Israel protests, as we speak,
49:36
because people are practical there. They don't have, they're not infused with this Marxist radical
49:43
ideology. And it's upending the United States. So I'm not particularly optimistic,
49:50
okay? I'm looking at what's going on with the election. I'm looking at the crisis on the border,
49:56
David. It's totally out of control. And there was another survey released today and it's said
50:03
that Muslims that come in are conservative in the generation that comes in.
50:10
The next generation is like 90% likely to vote democratic because they'll be indoctrinated in our
50:18
education system. So, as Patrick will say, they've been at this for over a hundred years.
50:24
And now we think, okay, well, we're going to fight back and we're going to elect the right guy
50:28
and everything's going to change. No, no, no. This is where the work gets really, really,
50:32
really difficult. And so you've got to protect your family. You've got to protect your kids from
50:37
this ideology. You've got to train up a child and that sort of thing. What did they kid him years
50:45
ago who said that we used to think what was the title of the book that he had already got?
50:52
Yes. So we used to think that when the kids got the college, they turned away from the faith.
50:58
And I'm telling you, based on what we've been able to find, when they go to college,
51:02
they're already gone. Yeah. Well, there's happened while they were living in your house and going
51:08
to your church. That's when you lost them. Well, there's research now that says kids that were
51:14
grown up in a Christian and you might have to put that in air quotes now. In a Christian home,
51:19
start doubting their faith in middle school. So they start doubting in middle school. They're
51:27
gone, even by high school. So when they get to the university system, it's no wonder that the left
51:33
has done such a good job. And I mean, good in a bad way. That makes sense. It's marked the
51:38
marketing of evil and indoctrinating these kids that what we're seeing on the college campuses
51:43
is an indirect result, John, I think, of the lack of biblical worldview and even in the church.
51:50
So we're seeing, we're kind of reaping some of our own of what we've sown in the fruit of
51:55
our church, our weak churches. Where do you want to go and actually?
51:58
Well, can we go back to his role for a minute? Because there's a lot of sort of interrelated issues
52:03
there. So, you know, I stand like I'm conservative in my view is that the left will always accuse you
52:11
of being of of you doing what they are actually doing. Yeah. So for example, we get instead of
52:18
of election interference, for example. So what was what was the interview I saw just yesterday?
52:26
Nancy Pelosi calls for the ouster of Benjamin Netanyahu, the democratically elected leader of Israel.
52:33
Now listen, you may not like Netanyahu, that that's okay. You can be my friend and you can
52:40
absolutely detest Netanyahu and I have friends who do. But he was elected in a free fair election.
52:49
Yes. There were some problems that he saw in his coalition, which is 65 of the 120 Kinesa members,
52:58
which is a pretty big majority in the recent history of Israel and the Kinesa they wanted to
53:05
enact some judicial reforms. There's been a meltdown by the left. The left is losing the demographic
53:12
game in Israel. The Orthodox families have six, seven, eight children. The secular people do not.
53:22
In the United States, we have the same problem. This is so weird. I don't know. I don't know what it
53:30
means in Bible prophecy yet, just that I'm sure that it's pretty significant. And I think I
53:36
talked about it at a conference five years ago for the first time, collapsing demographics all over
53:42
the world. Birth rates are falling. Birth rates in the United States fall in Japan. They saw
53:48
more adult diapers than baby diapers. The country is losing one to two to three million people
53:55
in population every year now. Do you understand that? China is collapsing. Estimates by some
54:04
analysts because of their one child policy and unrestricted abortion. They will drop maybe by half
54:14
in 30 years. Their population will go down by half. Now they'll still have 700 million people.
54:20
But understand there's 700 million people that are gone. Europe, the birth rates are collapsing.
54:29
Italy and Spain cannot be recovered. They'll be gone. And this is happening in Russia all over the
54:35
place. And I don't know what it means. It's somehow this world if the Lord Terry's is going to be
54:42
flipped upside down. But the right, the conservative orthodox religious right in Israel is growing
54:51
in population. They're by growing in demographics, growing in power. And then other countries it's
54:57
collapsing. Sex selection in China, sex selection abortion in India where males are favored. David,
55:06
you know that we're close to a time in our world where between China and India,
55:15
there will be 200 million military age males that have no prospect of a life. Wow.
55:27
What does that do to the world culture, war, rumors of wars and all the things we read about in
55:34
the end times. And by the way, the fastest fertility collapse and female fertility in human history,
55:43
I read about in a paper published by the Iranian regime called the Tehran Times about eight or
55:52
10 months ago that Iran had had the fastest decline in female fertility of any country in human
56:04
history. Now put this into we know that Persia, the Prince of Persia and that type of thing is
56:10
going to be a significant thing in the end times that there's this demonic power behind Persia. We
56:15
read about that in Daniel chapter 10 that the Monic power hasn't gotten anywhere. And then the
56:21
2500 years since Daniel wrote that he's only that the Monic power has only gotten smarter, more
56:27
conniving, more crafty. But does that and I'm sure that that demonic power knows the declining
56:36
demographics. And so it's like, okay, this is the shot that I have where Persia will come
56:43
against Israel in the last days. I'm just saying that I think it plays together and I'm probably
56:50
sure you're not going to find another person that really agrees with me. And that's okay.
56:57
But I love to argue with people. I used to tell why I never told my clients, but
57:03
because people pay me to argue on their behalf, but sometimes I think it would have actually
57:07
done it for free on some occasions. But we live in this world where this stuff is hurtling towards
57:17
a certain conclusion. Now, we don't know exactly how when we have parameters that the prophetic
57:26
scriptures give us. I think we make a mistake if we're too dogmatic that it's got to work out
57:31
this particular way, because sometimes a prophecy will only know after the fact. So that's how
57:39
that's going to work out. And the proof of how a Bible prophecy is going to be fulfilled is when
57:44
it's actually fulfilled. But we live at this time where these things are really coming together
57:49
very, very quickly. So all these articles that I sent you from the Jerusalem post and things about
57:55
the multi front war that Israel is facing. The world is turning the near neighbors of Israel are
58:03
turning against Israel. They have the Gaza front. They have the Hezbollah Lebanon front. They have the
58:13
areas that's known as the West Bank internally front. They also have internally within the
58:19
European communities within Israel proper that are a problem. And then they have Jordan, Egypt,
58:24
and all these other countries. And they have like the world opinion is turning against them.
58:31
And so it's it's it's in that context, David, that when I see a guy who I like Tucker Carlson
58:39
or Candice Owen Caving on this issue of Israel, that's very bothersome to me because because back
58:46
to what we talked about the first, it's a synchrotistic worldview. And it's not biblical. It's wrong.
58:55
And we have to we have to call it out when we see it. Yes. And we've run out of time. It went by
59:01
fast again, John. We could have done two hours. So this conversation will be continued. We just
59:06
don't know when, but you do your prophecy updates. Are you doing a couple a week now and also
59:11
with other guests? You know, I do do ones on Sunday at a fellowship Bible chapel. Once a month,
59:18
I preach the sermon last Sunday. I preached on the epicenter. I got to choose. I did
59:24
the Ezekiel 34 35 through 38 39. I do an update each week. I do try to do some I do interviews with
59:32
other people like you. And then I also have been doing trying to do round table one round tables
59:39
once or twice a week with like four or five people for a couple hours, at least every other week.
59:46
So I sort of took this week off, but I do appreciate people following and listening.
59:52
And by the way, guys, I forget this is live. This is not pre-recorded. So I can mention,
59:56
I'll be speaking at the Calvary Chapel prophecy conference. It's the Great Lakes prophecy
1:00:02
conference tomorrow, 3 p.m. Calvary Chapel, Appleton. Calvary Chapel, Appleton, Wisconsin. It's ccappleton.org.
1:00:11
It will be live streamed. I'm just going to run down Chris Quintana, Ed Yarek, Gary Codge,
1:00:16
F. Sowell, Mary Danielson, Rob Yardley, T. A. McMahon and Tommy Ice will be speaking both
1:00:23
tomorrow night and Saturday night. But we hope to see you if you're in Northeast Wisconsin at the
1:00:27
Prophecy Conference there. John Haller, God bless your brother. We'll do this again. Maybe not live,
1:00:32
but we'll do this again. Best of you. Thanks. All right. Thanks so much for your time. Man,
1:00:38
there's so much we didn't get to, but that's okay. We don't want to overwhelm you. We do want to
1:00:43
encourage you friends to keep trusting no matter what. God's got this. He's in control. These things,
1:00:50
you know, we're living in and days that some of us had a feeling we're coming, but we just
1:00:54
didn't expect him this soon. Anyway, we'll see you next time. God bless you and as always,
1:00:58
keep speaking the truth about things that matter.