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Wired To Hunt Podcast #239: Bowhunting Suburban Bucks w/ Lee Ellis and Drew Carroll · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. Is this episode number two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and thirty nine, and today on the show, we're chatting
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  Speaker 1: with Lee Ellis and Drew Carroll from Seque Productions about
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  Speaker 1: the unbelievable deer hunting success they're having in the suburbs
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  Speaker 1: of Atlanta, Georgia. Before we get into the main show, though,
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  Speaker 1: we need to do kind of a little intro to
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  Speaker 1: the intro, beginning first with a thank you to our
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  Speaker 1: a Netflix original And this is the first hunting show
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  Speaker 1: It's cool, especially that I'm actually featured in this season
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  Speaker 1: And that now brings us to the real reason we're
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  Speaker 1: here today, which is to talk dear and specifically talk
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  Speaker 1: about suburban bow hunting. In this episode and this one,
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  Speaker 1: I think is is really really unique and it's especially
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  Speaker 1: interesting as these guys Lee and Drew, they've developed a
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  Speaker 1: set of hunting strategies that have allowed them to target
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  Speaker 1: truly world class deer right in the neighborhoods and suburbs
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  Speaker 1: of a major metro era. It's it's fascinating stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: whether you're targeting mature or quote unquote big bucks yourself,
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  Speaker 1: or if you're simply trying to just learn a deer
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  Speaker 1: hunt and you'd be happy to put any deer in
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  Speaker 1: the freezer, I think there's something for you to learn
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  Speaker 1: here today. Now that's said, if you're really excited about
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  Speaker 1: that content. If you want to skip our long rambling
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  Speaker 1: pregame show with my buddy Dan Johnson and me as
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  Speaker 1: we discuss our recent deer hunts and plans, you can
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  Speaker 1: fast forward about twenty five minutes or so from here.
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  Speaker 1: But if you've got the time and the patients to
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  Speaker 1: delve into the life and adventures of myself and Dan
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  Speaker 1: nine fingers Johnson, stick around, because here we go. All right,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you
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  Speaker 1: by Onyx, and today we're talking about something very different
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  Speaker 1: than the usual. We're talking suburban deer hunting. We're joined
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  Speaker 1: by the guys from Seek One Productions. These guys are
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  Speaker 1: out of Atlanta, Georgia, and they are they're actually hunting
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  Speaker 1: the suburbs of Atlanta, like neighborhoods, backyards. They're they're killing
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  Speaker 1: some absolutely amazing deer down there. They're doing it on
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  Speaker 1: small properties with tons of people around, bizarre situations, um,
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  Speaker 1: and they're they're absolutely getting the job done. Have you
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  Speaker 1: seen any other videos, don Yeah, it's it's crazy what
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  Speaker 1: they do. And you know, I'll give them credit. They
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  Speaker 1: do some pretty amazing things as far as access and
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  Speaker 1: strategy and these micro food plots and cool things like that.
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  Speaker 1: But it's crazy watching a hunting video with a swing
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  Speaker 1: set in the background. Yeah, it's it's it's a little
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  Speaker 1: different than the corn fields and the wide vistas that
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  Speaker 1: we sometimes get, but it's It's pretty cool though, because
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  Speaker 1: I feel like what these guys are doing kind of
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  Speaker 1: shows that you can still get out and hunt and
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  Speaker 1: have a great time even if you don't have a
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  Speaker 1: big family farm, or even if you don't live out
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  Speaker 1: in the country where there's a bunch of land. Um.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it comes back down to that whole access challenge, right,
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  Speaker 1: So many people are struggling to find places to hunt. Um,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they're not close to public land or whatever. Here's
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  Speaker 1: a group of folks that are showing you can get
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  Speaker 1: it done in the neighborhood. Um, And I think that's
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of encouraging, I think for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually got my start bow hunting in this
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  Speaker 1: kind of scenario. I know I've told the story before,
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  Speaker 1: but I started bow hunting on my parents three acres
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  Speaker 1: that we lived on in a neighborhood and the first
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  Speaker 1: year I ever killed, I killed it right after two
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  Speaker 1: people and their dog walked through our property. Right in
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  Speaker 1: front of me and I got out of the blind.
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  Speaker 1: I was all upset, huffing and puffing over to him. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and then yeah, a half hour later, here comes this
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  Speaker 1: little buck. So these guys, I think, have got some
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  Speaker 1: very interesting things to share, like you said, interesting tactics, um,
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  Speaker 1: interesting solutions to getting access. So I'm pumped about it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to have this conversation. So this is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be This is gonna be a great podcast for anybody
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  Speaker 1: who maybe even is has it been hunting, or doesn't
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  Speaker 1: think they have the deer where they live to go
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  Speaker 1: out and find it like these guys do. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think this is it's a great entry point for people.
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  Speaker 1: You know, just go and knock on some doors right
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  Speaker 1: where you live and you might be a hunt right there.
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  Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting and it's funny. I actually
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  Speaker 1: know a guy who, you know, he's got a hard
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  Speaker 1: time getting out Tory hunts. His main hunting property is
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  Speaker 1: like an hour and a half away. It's hard to get,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to find the time right You've got family obligations.
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  Speaker 1: And if only this guy had a little property right
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  Speaker 1: in the suburbs, right where he lived, and he could hunt,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just for an hour or two in between
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  Speaker 1: when he's got time with the family and the kids.
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  Speaker 1: If only that guy could hear this podcast and learn
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  Speaker 1: about it, he might actually hunt on opening day or
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  Speaker 1: the second day of the of the season, or the
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  Speaker 1: third day of this season. Do you know what a
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  Speaker 1: guy like that? Dan? Yeah, I know him. Oh is
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  Speaker 1: it too soon? Is it too close to home? Does that?
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  Speaker 1: Does that guy have three kids? I have a wife
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  Speaker 1: who has two jobs too, and only nine fingers, and
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  Speaker 1: only nine fingers. That's me. It's it's it's been crazy, though, dude,
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  Speaker 1: it's been crazy. Talk to me about it. I just
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the weather was really good today. Is we're
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  Speaker 1: recording this on a what a Wednesday? And it's hot now, right,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not going to go out tonight, But um, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: and Sunday my wife has to work, okay, so that
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  Speaker 1: means I don't get to go out. However, I'm I
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  Speaker 1: think I'm gonna be able to get out Saturday morning
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  Speaker 1: and Sunday morning and just do some some sneak attacks
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  Speaker 1: type stuff. But my big news is that this past
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  Speaker 1: weekend and I broke I broke a cardinal rule, but
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  Speaker 1: I had to one cardinal Yeah. So my cardinal rule, dude,
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  Speaker 1: do not go into the timber until you're gonna hunt it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in September. Don't just leave it alone. But
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  Speaker 1: I haven't had that the opportunity to get out and
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  Speaker 1: go change up my trail cameras off the summer mineral
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  Speaker 1: sites and to the pinch points, the fence crossings, the
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  Speaker 1: travel corridors you know down you know, the historically good
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  Speaker 1: places for the deer season. I haven't made that trail
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  Speaker 1: camera transition. So I said I had. Here's here's my options.
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  Speaker 1: One is, as these deer just straight up stop using
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  Speaker 1: the mineral stations, I'm gonna have no intel going to
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  Speaker 1: my hunts, right because I you know, just like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us, we use trail cameras to you know,
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  Speaker 1: help us figure out where these deer are at. So
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  Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna run that risk. I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 1: in and i'm gonna do my trail camera switch the
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  Speaker 1: day obviously, the day before opening day. Now, knowing that
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna hunt for that farm for two weeks
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  Speaker 1: made me feel a little better. But what makes me
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  Speaker 1: feel really good is of some of the intel that
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  Speaker 1: I got off those trail cameras on this last trip,
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that now they're in a really good
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  Speaker 1: position for the upcoming season. So it's I take it
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  Speaker 1: away as a win. I don't think I intruded too much.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it has rained since then, so I think
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  Speaker 1: it just kind of was the perfect storm, if that
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  Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, and you certainly are doing better than
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  Speaker 1: a lot. I mean a lot of people are at
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  Speaker 1: tempted to go in there like twice a week checking
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  Speaker 1: their cameras and things like that. So making making one
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  Speaker 1: quick check, I think you're uh, you're doing all right.
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  Speaker 1: And to your point, sounds like you've got some great
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  Speaker 1: intel that that should inform those future hunts. So we
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  Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta hear. I mean I sort of
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  Speaker 1: know about some excetting stuff, but I need to hear more. Right. So,
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  Speaker 1: I got a picture of dork Hard Horn on the
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  Speaker 1: September right at last light. I mean it would have
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  Speaker 1: been not shooting light, but just right at the tail end.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the first for him to be this.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's a buck I've been watching since two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and thirteen, right, and now he's on my trail
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  Speaker 1: cameras a lot more. And he's hard horned right so,
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  Speaker 1: and he's close to daylight. So we'll see what happens
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  Speaker 1: when I go and check my trail cameras, probably next Friday,
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  Speaker 1: after I get off work, before I go in for
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  Speaker 1: that that evening hunt of kind of what's you know,
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  Speaker 1: what the area is telling me. But I have dork
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  Speaker 1: who as of is in the area. I have another
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  Speaker 1: buck that was the twenty three or six who's definitely
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  Speaker 1: a shooter. He's a four year old ten with junk.
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  Speaker 1: I posted a picture of him on social media and
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  Speaker 1: he's a shooter. Yep. Passed on him last year as
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  Speaker 1: a three year old, probably in the one fifties. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't make too many. Yeah, he didn't make a big
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  Speaker 1: jump last year from from last year to this year,
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  Speaker 1: except for he's got some more junk. He's just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit bigger. But I'm saying that buck somewhere around
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  Speaker 1: the one low one fifties, and he's got some He's
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  Speaker 1: got split brows, which is pretty cool, with some some
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  Speaker 1: junk coming off from a couple, some junk coming off
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  Speaker 1: one of the antlers a couple. You know, I think
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  Speaker 1: I have my even one or two four year olds
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  Speaker 1: that are still around. One's up here, like one forty
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  Speaker 1: class eight pointer um, and then another ten that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of in the area. And then you know, you heard
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  Speaker 1: me talk about the mega giant, you know that that
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  Speaker 1: really big one that I send you pictures of and uh,
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  Speaker 1: that we talked about on the last time, the last
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  Speaker 1: podcast we were able too. He stuck around all the
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  Speaker 1: way until that notorious shift right that we talked about,
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  Speaker 1: the September shift when they when they when the deer
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  Speaker 1: start to go hard horn. And then I didn't get
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  Speaker 1: a picture of him since September eleven or twelfth, I
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  Speaker 1: think it was, so no pictures of him. However, that
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  Speaker 1: same exact thing happened last year. Right now, I want
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  Speaker 1: you to tell me this. Have you ever had a
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  Speaker 1: moment where you're flipping through last year's trail cameras and
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  Speaker 1: something clicked and you're like, oh my god, I know
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  Speaker 1: now what I need to do. Have you ever had
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  Speaker 1: a moment like that. I've had some similar things like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So I had that moment, and I think I know
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  Speaker 1: where this deer shifted to. Right, there's no needs for
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  Speaker 1: him to come up that far from where I have
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  Speaker 1: my trail cameras to where I now know or I
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't say no, but where I think he's betting. I
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  Speaker 1: really think that he is in a really tight spot
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  Speaker 1: that is hard to get to if you're a lazy
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  Speaker 1: hard access, if you're a lazy hunter, and what I
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  Speaker 1: mean hart is if you're gonna take the easy way in.
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  Speaker 1: But I think I can back door into his betting
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  Speaker 1: area on a morning hunt and potentially catch him coming
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  Speaker 1: back into where I'm guessing he's betting, right because last
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  Speaker 1: year I have a trail camera picture of him a
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  Speaker 1: couple of times coming off of this ridge that I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about, right in front of a trail camera early
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  Speaker 1: early October. So are you thinking you're gonna go try
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  Speaker 1: to take a morning stab at him early? Yes, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna say next week. Is showing a day or a
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  Speaker 1: day a in a morning of an east wind before
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  Speaker 1: a front moves through. Potentially then or two days after
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  Speaker 1: that is a north northeast wind that I would need
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  Speaker 1: to backdoor it in there. So it has to be
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  Speaker 1: something in the east. It can't be a southeast, but
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  Speaker 1: it can be a straight east northeast or north northeast
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  Speaker 1: maybe even straight north, depending on if I can get
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  Speaker 1: my trees stan into one of those um in a
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  Speaker 1: tree that doesn't blow over top of the trail that
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  Speaker 1: I think he's going to use. And man, like, that's
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  Speaker 1: all I've been thinking about since it happened two days ago.
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  Speaker 1: Like flipping through those pictures, it's just like click whole ship. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm why didn't I think of this before? Man, that's
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  Speaker 1: that buck now. I think it's important to point out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we'd like to talk that you're typically just
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  Speaker 1: targeting age class type deer, mature deer. That's super challenging.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's the way we usually to do things. But
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  Speaker 1: sometimes see a deer that just like captivates your imagination
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  Speaker 1: because of how unique or bizarre or cool that dear looks.
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  Speaker 1: And this dear, right, I mean, this is like a
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  Speaker 1: once in a lifetime deer, even for a guy like
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  Speaker 1: you out in Iowa. Don't you think I mean this
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  Speaker 1: is a special special deer. Yeah, it's a special deer
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  Speaker 1: from a from a rack perspective, right, But I'm not
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  Speaker 1: really thinking at it like that. Yeah, I mean I
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  Speaker 1: may be making my decisions based off that. The only
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  Speaker 1: the only thing is is that I was talking with
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  Speaker 1: a guy a while back, and he goes, unless you're dedicated,
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  Speaker 1: dedicating yourself to one specific deer for an entire season,
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  Speaker 1: then you then you have they're forced to be very
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  Speaker 1: cautious in your decision making. However, guys like me and
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  Speaker 1: you know, I assume you unless you're going all in
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  Speaker 1: on holy Field. We we put together a hit list,
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  Speaker 1: and this guy is saying that if you have a
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  Speaker 1: target deer, why not go win, go in aggressive to him,
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  Speaker 1: because the worst thing that's going to happen is that
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  Speaker 1: you'll blow him out. You'll you'll you'll he won't show
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  Speaker 1: you'll fail, or you'll get him. And if you fail,
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  Speaker 1: then you just go onto one of your other deer
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  Speaker 1: that you've that you've put on your hit list, right
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  Speaker 1: or that, and you start that process all over again. Well, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: let's locate one on trail camera, move in for the kill,
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  Speaker 1: and play cat and mouse with him until you blow
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  Speaker 1: him out he doesn't show up, or you get him,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm taking this kind
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  Speaker 1: of new approach where I feel like I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: be aggressive until I fail so much that I learned
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  Speaker 1: or it works. Yeah, and I think I think the
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  Speaker 1: key is if you have those options right, you're in
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  Speaker 1: a situation where if this, if this goes under, you
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  Speaker 1: do have lots of other spots you can get into,
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  Speaker 1: lots of other deer you be interested in chasing. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like a situation like the Holy Field proper
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  Speaker 1: to m on. There's only ever been like one mature
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  Speaker 1: buck a year that moves through there. So it's like,
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  Speaker 1: if you don't kill that dear, if you educate that dear,
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  Speaker 1: you're done for the year. So I've gotten my my, my,
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  Speaker 1: my thinking has shifted more and more to the point
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  Speaker 1: you're making that if you're in a scenario where you've
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  Speaker 1: got options, start swinging for the fences sometimes and to
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  Speaker 1: your point, learn something from it, even if you you
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  Speaker 1: bugger it out, but you probably learned something along the way. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, you've gotta understand your situation. Sometimes that's
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  Speaker 1: a good idea. Sometimes you gotta play is safe, but
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of fun to sometimes go for those home runs.
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  Speaker 1: I do not blame you if I wanted to think that.
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  Speaker 1: The cool thing though, is that it's also another thing
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  Speaker 1: that's forced me to hunt this way is I only
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  Speaker 1: have one tree stand pre hung for this year, only one.
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  Speaker 1: So I have other spots fromed out and ready to go,
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  Speaker 1: but only one tree stand hung. So what that's telling
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  Speaker 1: me is, Yes, if I can't find a deer on
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  Speaker 1: trail camera, I'm gonna I might go sit on this
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  Speaker 1: particular uh downwind of a popular betting area, right, and
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  Speaker 1: I've always had good um the buck I met uh
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  Speaker 1: that that I hit the branch right and deflected the
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  Speaker 1: arrow last year, and the where I passed um where
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  Speaker 1: I passed the one buck last year that got hard horn.
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  Speaker 1: Pictures of that I posted on social media. That's all
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  Speaker 1: downwind of a popular betting area where I have really
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  Speaker 1: good success. So that's kind of a backup plan if
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I need it. But this is forcing me to make
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: decisions based off deer move where the deer are at
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: and not where historically they've been. Right. So we all
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: have those those those uh tree stand locations that we
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: have sitting there and every year they're going to be
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: there because it's just a good area. But I don't
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: have those hung right now, so so now I can
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I can make all those decisions on a macro level,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Yeah, No to the I think
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: we had this conversation a few weeks ago with Zach
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: kind of the idea of if you don't have stands
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: up already, if you're walking on the ground, or if
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: you're having to stand that day, you by default have
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: to pick the very best option for that specific moment
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: in time. Um, because there's no easy thing to fall
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: back on, which I think is a good thing. So
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I'm excited for you. That's Uh, it's just one of
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: these things where, dude, I've I've harvested a deer in
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the last two years. I'm in a place where I
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: have a I have a very unique and a buck
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: that only shows up once every five or six seven years, right,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: that kind of quality. So I'm gonna go in after him,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: and I'll I'll make my decisions based off of what
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: mother nature gives me for uh, you know, conditions and
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: sign and camera data, and I just make my decisions
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: based off that. And if nothing happens, man, I tried,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: And if it happens, uh, you'll get a phone call.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: But holy suppose, I'll hope you face time. Ma. I
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: want to see that face when that happens, because that
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: dear is insane. But again, like we always say, getting
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: pictures is the easy part. It is. It's a fun part,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: but it's the easy part. Um Man, I know that
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: you've been in the timber or in the stand right, Yes, yes,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I've got out twice. Now you know today is the
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: third so I hunted the first in the second. Um,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: nothing too terribly exciting to report on, except that, you
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: know the first night. Speaking of the holy Field scenaria,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I mentioned before, I want to go in and hunt
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: this property once we're holy Field is hopefully is. You know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I still don't have a hundred percent confirmation I've seen
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: this buck in the summer, but I just don't know
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: for sure it was him or not. I don't have
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: pictures of him, of any of any mature bucks yet,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: but there's only been one camera that I've been able
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to check. So there's there's stuff still out there that
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know about. But I'm kind of operating right
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: now in the assumption that he's still alive. So I
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: went into this one spot. It's kind of like my
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: almost always, if I've got the right wind, I usually
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: hunt here on opening day. Of the last four years,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: i've done that because it's it's easy to get to.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: It's low impact, but it's a great early season spot.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: You know. This year there's my oats and brassica food plot,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: a little clover plot on the other side of it.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: The tree im city in is an oak tree that
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: was dropping a ton of acorns this year and last
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: year put in the tiny water hole underneath the two.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: So I had all of that in this little like
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: acre and a half area. Um, so, really really high
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: attraction value. And it's tight to this area that Holy
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Field traditionally is betted, so it was worth a shot
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: try to get in there. I had a great wind
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: for it and snuck in there. I was feeling pretty
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: good about it. A bunch of doughs were moving through
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the kind of a cool breeze. It was cloudy, it
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: was cooling down. Um A bunch of deer feeding around me.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: But the one you know, this happens all the time,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: the one direction that you don't want a deer to
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: go where they at least likely to go. This one
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: dough did and she got a whiff of me that
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: she didn't like, and she blew up and sent the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: field clearing out. You know what, And speaking of that,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: something I've noticed the last year or two is you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I've been using I've been doing all my basic scent
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: control type stuff, and then maybe five years ago or
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: six years ago, I started using an ozonics machine, and
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: then maybe two maybe three years ago, I started using
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: nose jammer. And right when I started doing those things,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I felt like magic, Like these deer were coming down
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: wind to me and they were just kind of smelling
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: a little something, and then kept on going. And then
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: last year I felt like they were getting a little
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: more impact, like they were coming down They're like, I
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: don't like this as much as I used to. And
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: then now this year this happens. I wonder, and I'm
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: not saying this is the case, but I'm starting to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: wonder if these deer that have been on this farm
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a long time, and I've been hunting this property for
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: years now using this stuff, if they are starting to
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: associate either the ozone smell or the nose jammers in
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: situation or something, if they're starting to associate that with
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: human danger now, because there's been enough situations where they've
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: smelled that and then seeing a person or smelt a
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: little bit of me or something like that. I'm wondering
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: if my little secret sauce is starting to become a
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: negative association for him. Um, I don't know. I'm not
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: saying that's case, but I'm just wondering it now because
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not getting away with as many downwind as and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: encounters as I used to and I haven't changed anything. Um, yeah,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it's it's it's nature, right,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: If something burns you a couple of times, it's nature's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: way of educating themselves on You know, how many times
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: do you think it took the early human to figure
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: out that you can't touch fire? Buddy? You know what
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I mean? Like until you learn that you can't touch
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: fire and it has to happen within all shapes and
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: forms of life. So I think I think you're a
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: percent right. I think there could be if you're using
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: it too much because you have a smaller property. Right, Yes,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: you take the proper you take the proper um access
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: routes in, you take the proper scent precautions, but at
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the same time, you're using that more on a smaller
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: property than let's say, someone like myself who has a
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: bigger property and may be using the same things but
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: just distributed over more acres. Yeah, I mean, all of
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: my impact on this little property is within like probably
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: twenty acres. There's really only maybe twenty maybe even less
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: that's actually huntable ground. So even though I'm not hunting
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: it very often, when I do hunt, it's all kind
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and trade in this relatively small area that I'm limited to.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And that's happened, you know, year after year after year,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: and some of these old does you know that have
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: been here five, six, seven years, They've encountered that now
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: over and over. So it's it's something on the pay
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: attention to more this year. You know. I went out
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: last night to a different farm, new property, and I
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: had deer comes straight down wind, so they had I
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: was doing nothing different. I had washed my clothes the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: same way, I showered the same way. I did, all
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the same scent control, I use the asonos, these nose jammers,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: same thing. These deer come down wind to me just
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: like what happened to me on opening night. But these
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: deer act completely oblivious. They're like, oh that's something, but
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I don't care, and they just waltzed done through completely
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: different reaction. Um, So it's just kind of got the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: question marks popping up over my head and um, we'll
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: see how the rest of the year goes. But that's
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: something I've noticed. And um, then I guess speaking to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: that second night I went to this new property I
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: got permission on. UM, I kind of wanted to an
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: observation sit just on the edge, just trying to I
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: want to learn more about this property before I start
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: diving in swinging for any home runs. And uh, I
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: saw a decent number dear, a couple of young bucks,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: beautiful sit um, but nothing too crazy. So that was
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: kind of how my season started. It was fun. I
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: want to check some more cameras on the holy Field
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: property to try to figure out if this guy is
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: still around. Um. And I'm just gonna kind of keep
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: on keeping on over the next few weeks, taking a
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: few low impact hunts, Gonna do some public land dabbling, UM,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: test out the saddle some more on some of these
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: public land areas. Get aggressive on some public land on
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: days where I don't want to go to my good spot.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: And uh, that's that's what I've got up my sleeve
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: for the next week, week and half until things get
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: more interesting. So you know how you solve that dough
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: who keeps blowing at your problem, right, Yeah, I do.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And and if that's the one thing is I need
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: to figure out if holy Field still alive or not,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: because if he's not alive, there's no other bucks on
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: this farm that I've seen on camera yet that are like,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: for sure mature bucks. Um. I just need to get
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: a dope patrol if that's the case, and and just
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: spend the season trying to trying to manage that dope population,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: because that's the other thing about this spot. It's a
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: super small property. I've got very limited options, but they're
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: just a boatload of doughs. Um. I never kill as
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: many doughs as I probably should. I try to kill
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: as money. I try to invite some friends over to
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: to take some but and I'm sure I should be
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: doing better, and the neighbors aren't doing anything for the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: most part. So there's just so many deer. You can't
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: hardly get anywhere where there's not gonna be some deer
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: on all sides of you. And that makes for challenging
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: hunting scenarios. So maybe you know, if the worst case
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: scenario is true and holy Field disappeared, the silver lining
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: is that I can maybe finally get to get a
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: handle on the dough situation and see what comes next.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: So absolutely, so, why let me ask you this question
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: before we split. Why aren't you just sitting back and
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: checking l cameras right? You're hunting a ghost right now? Yeah,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: And I mean that's that's my plan for that property
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: is too. I was gonna hunt it opening night and
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: then I'm not going to hunt it again till Halloween
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: unless unless I get a picture or sighting of him.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So those other hunts I'm talking about that will be
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: on this new property, that will be on public land,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: or that will be up on my Northern Michigan deer
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Camp property, um being. Yeah, so the Holy Field spot
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: is off limits now unless I get something that screams
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: out you gotta start hunting. And now, so well, I hope,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I hope he shows up out of nowhere again and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you can finally put this to rest. Either he doesn't
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: show up this year at all, or you know, or
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you kill him, or you find that someone else kills him.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Because I've had bucks in my head that have lingered, right,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: and it's always like you can't make a proper decision
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: while that particular buck is lingering. Yeah, yeah, I just
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: need some closure on this, this whole deal. You know.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: It's funny. Hunting can be so many different things to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: different people at different points, and like they're hunting journey,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: you know, And when you get to that point where
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you want the hunt to be in such a specific
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: way that you are just trying to target one buck
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: or at least most of your energy is going towards
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: that one buck, it can be a lot of fun,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: but it can also We've we've had this conversation many times.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: It can also be like mentally draining or emotionally draining
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: or something like that. So I am I'm ready to
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: put this thing to bed one way or another and
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: m and kind of move on to some different things.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: So I'm hoping it'll be happy ending, but if it's not,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to see what's behind the next the next
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: hill too, right, So well, I'm rooting for you. I
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'm rooting for you too. I I'm hoping
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: that Narlie Charlie will co operate and show up for
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you here soon. So next week would be nice. Next
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: week we'll have to have a more in depth low
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: down of of how you're hunting this deer and and
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have a hunting by. Do you think that
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: this weekend might be one of those days you can hunt? Um?
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I have to no, not this weekend, uh because number one,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna get the wind I need
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and number two, uh, my wife has to work, so
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm stuck to the local farm. Okay, Well, so
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: the next week, maybe we can get more in depth
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: on how we're going to tackle the Gnarlie Charlie dilemma.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: And uh absolutely I'm excited. Well, thank you, sir. I
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: know you've got to bounce, but um, we're gonna move
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: on to get the suburban bow hunter guys Seek one
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Productions on the line here talk about some big bucks
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgia. Real quick. Before we do that, we
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: need to take a second and think our partners at
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: White Tailed Property, and I want to give a plug
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: for another one of their YouTube videos that are part
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: of that land beat video series of there's. The most
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: recent one is with Dan Perez. Dan Perez is the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: co founder of White Tailed Properties, and what he talks
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: about in this quick video are a few different things
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: you can do before buying a piece of property to
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: help you understand what kind of income potential is there.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: You know, how how much money could you get from
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: leasing it out to a farmer or from different from
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: different kinds of government programs that will pay you for
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: certain habitat and projects and whatnot. Very interesting, some good
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: things to think about before dropping some some coin on
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: a potential hunting property or recreational property. And a quick watch.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: So head on over to the white Tail Properties YouTube channel.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: They have lots of videos with helpful information even some hunts.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Now this one though, if you want to check it out.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: It's called Considerations when Buying Land. And if you want
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: more information about white Tail Properties and the land they
• 31:55
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• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Alright with me now on the line, I've got Lee
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and Drew from Seek One Productions. Welcome to show, guys. Yeah,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I appreciate taking the time. I um I. I just
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: recently kind of discovered you guys, because my producer, Spencer
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: new Hearth, he puts together my radio miniseries for Wired Hunt.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: He had I think it was Lee. I think he
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: had you on as a contributor a few weeks ago,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and I listened to that, and I was really interested
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: in what you had to say, and so I gotta
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: go check these guys out. So then I went and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I pulled up your YouTube channel, and I started looking
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: at these videos, started seeing what you guys are up to,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: and I kind of had my mind blown. You guys
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: kind of kind of shocked me with what you're doing
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: down there in Atlanta. Um. So I'm excited. I guess
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: that's my long way of saying, this is gonna be
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: really interesting conversation. I'm glad we're doing it. Um. And
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I guess to get started, i'd like to hear just
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a real quick, like cliff notes intro as to who
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you guys are and what you're doing. UM, I don't know, leave,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: do you want to kick things off and just kind
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: of give us a quick overview of who who you are,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: how you get involved this? Yeah, So, UM, I think
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: you Drew and I both pretty much started at the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: exact same time. We were buddies and middle school and
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: he had a family farm that you know, we'd go
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: to on just kind of rare occasion. Um, But we
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: were so busy with school and sports and stuff that
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: we really never got to get out there. So he
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Drew the one that kind of got me introduced to hunting. Um.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: And then it was you know, just kind of us
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: taking notice of what was around us, just driving to
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: and from school. And I know that Drew and I
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: was fishing upon one day and like a like a
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: creek bottom. And I mean at this time, I didn't
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: really know anything about hunting, but Drew knew what you know,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: rubs and scrapes, wor and stuff in this place was
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: just like destroyed. Um, and so we were just like, man,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: there's there's gotta be like some pretty good deer here.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: We'd see him like driving down the roads and stuff,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and um, we just kind of started from there. I
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: mean had literally had no clue what we were doing
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: at six h trying to get access to um, you know,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: places to hunt. But uh, you know, we'll kind of
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: dive into some stories later, but like it, I mean
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: it took us a long time. Finally got some access
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: to some places and put some cameras out and kind
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: of stumbled on this little hidden gym that was around
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: us the whole time and never gonna really knew it.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: And uh, you know, before we know it, like our
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: first year hunting. We've got like, you know, just some
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: freaking stud you know, one fifty plus just matured year
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: that we're chasing, you know, minutes from our house. So um,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: it's I don't know, it was just kind of a
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: undiscovered little secret, didn't really see it coming kind of thing,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and it was it just kind of took off from there.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: We've been doing it for twelve years, and Um through
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: kind of approached the idea of I guess this was
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: two thousand was when don't we hunt Charlie Drew? I
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: think it's two thousand fourteen. Charlie was, Yeah, that kind
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: of I guess originally grabbed some attention because it was
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: just like this deer was just like stupid big um
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and Drew was like, we need to film this. I mean,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the stories that we've had prior to them, you just
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: gotta see to believe of how kind of crazy they are.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: And he was like, we got a film and tell
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the story. And so this kind of drew his idea.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: He pretty much gave up his old season just to
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: film me uh and the story of hung story called
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Charlie and Um ended up killing that deer on camera
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: and a little trailer together and some out there. That's
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: what kind of got our name out there. Ever since then,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: we've been uh filming our hunts and trying to tell
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: the stories of chasing these monster bucks in the suburbs. Yeah,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: what would you add, Drew? Um, I mean he pretty
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: much covered a high level. Um. Yeah, I mean we
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: we both live basically it's considered the suburbs of Atlanta,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: So we're we both live outside the perimeter, which would
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: be um, probably a twenty minute drive from like the
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: real heart of the city. But we're still, you know,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: surrounded by neighborhoods and commercial property and stuff like that. So, um,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: define a block of woods over ten acres is pretty rare.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's some big box kind of scattered
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: throughout and along the river. Um. But we are like
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: in the heart of the suburbs. So when we say
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: a suburban hunting, it's not like we're kind of on
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: the outskirts of these neighborhoods like we are in the
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: uh in the creek bottoms and river bottoms between these
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: these houses. So yeah, we we're just fortunate enough to
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: grow up in probably the best areas of the entire
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: state as far as genetics go and and deer population.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: So we kind of just as the deer population grew
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: down here, we just kind of started to take notice
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: and uh and took advantage of it. And that's how
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: we didn't I don't think either of us bow hunted
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: before we found that little creek bottom, that little that
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: six acre block of woods. We both like that property. UM.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of how it kicked off. And
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: then we hunted that spot for I don't know, probably
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: for four or five years before we started to have
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: to branch out. I mean, that spot was unbelievable. It
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: was like a gateway um into like a larger area
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: of just different pockets of woods. So we in a rut.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: We'd have just books that we have never seen just
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: piling through there, and Lee killed most of them. Lee
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Lee went on a bro heater for about four or
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: five years, and then I think he was the first
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: one to kind of start branching out UM and started
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: just knocking on doors in other areas and realizing that hey,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: it's working at this spot here. Why I want to
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: work you know, ten miles away, um at this other
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: spot that I found on on Google maps. UM. And
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: so you know that just kind of escalated and escalated,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: and I mean before you know it, we were knocking
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: on hundreds and hundreds of doors every offseason just searching
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: for a for a mature Bucks so and and then, um,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I think it was it was the year that Donny
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Vincent came out with The Rivers Divide. Is when when
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, dang, that's pretty cool. I want to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: like the story of Steve is very very similar to
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the stories that we're having on these Bucks. Um, Like,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I want to I want to buy a camera and
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: film this. So that was that was a big motivation.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: And then just kind of watching Portland bow Hunter progress
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and they're just um, their their quality and they're like
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: cinematic style. That was a big motivator too. So I
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: bought a camera that year and the very first year
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: that we ever filmed, the very first video that I've
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: ever made in my life was a absolute monster. What
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: is the nine point early with I think he was
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty two inches or something. And the
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: frame on this year is just insane, Like it looks
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: like people were saying that Lee shot it from a
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: high offense, shot it out of like a helicopter and
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it was just like there's no way
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: that came from Atlanta. People just like there's no way. Well, well,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: that's the thing. I feel like most people probably even
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: still don't really under Dan what you're talking about as
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: far as the quality of deer that you're seeing in
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: hunting and killing in the suburbs here. I mean, you
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: guys are incorrect me if I'm wrong here, But for whenever,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: what I've seen, you're consistently getting on mature bucks and
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: and big like crazy non typical bucks to like booners
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: and two at least one plus buck. Right, Yeah, we've
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: had to hunt for well to be determined, possibly four
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: now including this year, but uh three two hund We've
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: we've had a tance to hunt three year in Atlanta
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: over the years. Plus if you count j if you
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: count Ja, that's another one because Jay actually has the
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: state record nontypical, which is growth. Yeah, something crazy. Wow,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: And this is happening in neighborhoods and behind people's houses.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like this is this is just
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: unlike what any anyone thinks is possible. Um, it's pretty remarkable.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: What so, so why do you think that this area
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: is so good. And I guess that's my first question,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: why do you think that you're finding deer of this
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: age in quality? And then number two? Is that unique
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: just to this area in Atlanta or are there quality
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: deer hunting opportunities like this in suburbs of other big
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: cities too? Do you think? Uh so? There. I think
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of things going on in Atlanta that
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: that make it what it is. Um The first is
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: and I don't know it's like the the actual facts
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: behind this, but there used to be like no deer
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Um And I know that, you know, two
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: decades ago they imported deer. I've always heard been told
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: from Wisconsin and that that's kind of the native genetic
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: that that's kind of spread throughout Atlanta because some of
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: these do you look at and you're like, Yeah, there's
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: there's no way that that's a Native Georgia deer with
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: just like the heavy mass and just dark racks and
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: you know some of the crazy frames and nontypicals that
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: we're seeing. Um So, I've always been told that it's
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: been like a Wisconsin strange genetic that's running around Atlanta.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: UM So you can find good genetics with just an
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: absolute buffet of food they have in the summertime. We've
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: got the biggest thing we've discovered, and this is something
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: we discovered probably three years ago, what Charlie was. We
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: had no idea where this deer spent his summertime. You
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: know when the when o cobra hit and the deer
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: moving around is when we'd always get him on camera.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: But as far as like spring and summer and early fall,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: we had no idea where this year was um and
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: so we just started searching and searching and searching. We
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: found him in a cudzoo patch in the summertime. Do
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you do? You know what cud do this? You know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I hadn't heard of it until I heard
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: you talk about it a little bit on the radio
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: episode a couple weeks ago. But but please talk about
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: it because I'm sure most people aren't familiar or some
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: aren't Drew the botanist, so I'll let him I got
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: last podcast. So yeah, jud do is basically UM, it's
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: basically a it's like a soybean. It's it's really a
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: lab lab so just a perennial type soybean leafy plant
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: that just grows in a vine and it's invasive. I
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: think it's from like Japan or something, and it just
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: grows and all these like on the roadsides and basically
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: anywhere it can take hold. It just starts growing and
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: it's impossible to get rid of. But it's like twenty
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: or protein in the leaves and just grows. It can
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: grow us five don s, so these deer can just
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: be down grows into Yeah, it grows into this jungle.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: It's just like a perfect habitat form. So that's kind
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: of what we discovered is like this this cut dune.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: It I think it was originally introduced for like you know,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: help helping and control like erosion along roadways and stuff. Um,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: but it's just like it grows so fast that it's
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: just like moved into, you know, places that shouldn't be
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: and it's just taken over little pockets of woods and
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: it's like these boxed in the summertime, we'll pile into
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: these cuts, do patches because it's just a buffet built.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: When we were filming and watching Charlie, he would get up,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: you know, ten times a day, feed around for a
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: few minutes, lay right back down and he would just
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: completely disappear. And he was actually in the middle of
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: an apartment complex, probably ten acres in the middle of
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: apartment complex, and nobody knew that Dear was there until
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: like they saw Drew and I like standing on people's
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: decks and stuff with the camera lens and whatnot, and
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: then they're like, oh, yeah, I guess there are deer
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: back here. And they were looking at like a totally
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: care um so that they're fords in the sun. Our
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: time with cud do and things like that is just
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: you know, they have all they could possibly eat. And
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: we've seen some really big bucks grow out going out
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: and kutz and then we have so many hardwoods. I mean,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I was checking a camera yesterday and I'm just like
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: walking on top of white oaks on the ground, acorns
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: and so between that, and then you know, as uh
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: kind of the hard winter rolls around, they really move
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: into people's landscaping and stuff um and started eating that.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: So kind of through all all all through all parts
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: of the year, they've got all the food they could
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: possibly want. So do you think then to to that
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: second part of the question, do you feel that you
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: know the suburbs of Detroit, or the suburbs of Cleveland
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: or the suburbs of name any other big city across
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: the country. Do you think there's opportunities like this where
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: there's probably great foods sources that probably are these pockets
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: of timber and creek ranges and things like that where
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: these deer are getting in there getting well fed and
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: aren't being hunted as much like these deer are. Is
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: this Does this translate other places? Yeah, it definitely doesn't.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: That's part of what we're doing this year, uh with
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: our videos is we're we've branched out to Nashville, Tennessee,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: which that kind of got put on the map a
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: couple I guess two years ago when someone killed the
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: world record non typical like just outside of Nashville. So
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: we get messages all the time from people in different
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: cities saying it's like so cool to watch other people
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: doing exactly what we're doing. Um, another city is like
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: you guys should come up here and check out the deer.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: And in Nashville or Cincinnati or DC, you're I mean,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: you name it. There's probably ten different cities that we've
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: gotten messages from. So yeah, I mean, it's definitely definitely
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: something that's going on in other cities. I think for
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: a long time, I mean even here in Atlanta, like
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: it was kept a secret and for good reason. And we,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I mean we've been accused of ruining that secret, which
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: is kind of true that. Uh. I think it's like
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: now that it's kind of coming out with us, and
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I mean there there are other people that are that
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: are doing it in other cities that have kind of
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: publicized it. But it's just it's coming to light a
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: lot more in recent years and it than it has been. Um,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: so I think it was. Yeah, I think you'll start
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: hearing more and more people that are like, yeah, I've
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: been doing this forever. I've killed these giant gear in
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the suburbs of wherever. Um And I mean I don't
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. One thing that's like unique about
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Atlanta is that the rest of Georgia doesn't necessarily have
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: really big gear. I mean, there are pockets of good genetics, um,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: you know, scattered throughout the state, but as a whole,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: it's not known the Big Buck state. But Atlanta is different.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: So that's like that draws people in from outside of
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: the city to just come in to come in and
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: just trying to find these big gear all. Yeah, it
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: just kind of it just makes it that much more
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: um in the spotlight. Whereas if you go out to
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, Ohio or something like, there's
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: big gear throughout the most of the state. So Cincinnati
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: is not going to necessarily stand out as much. Um So.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, as with anywhere that it has to have
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the genetics to to be able to produce. But a
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: lot of times in these suburban environments you're going to
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: get if you have the genetics, you could also have
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the lack of hunting crusher, so that you're going to
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: get older and bigger. Yeah, So is that something that
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: you can consistently see is that there are my assumption
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: as a lot of times there's going to be areas
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: that just are not getting hunted that are very different
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: than a lot of spots maybe in the more rural
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: spot areas where there's at least in more states a
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: significant amount of pressure. So you're seeing deer that just
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: reach more consistent age older age classes. Is that something
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: that's kind of in the trend right These deer just
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: getting age on them, and that's why that used to
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: be the case, it's not anymore though, uh So, kind
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: of backtracking a little bit, that spot, that first spot
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: that you are fishing, that pond, that and they're just
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: like scrapes and rubs everywhere. That's where we ended up
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: getting permission. And it was like, you know, we we
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: had three four or five shooters in their year in November,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: and I don't think either of us have hunted that
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: spot in six years because that area has become very
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: popular and so there's a lot there's so many hunters
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: now it is so hard to find a mature deer
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: in that area anymore. Because here's the thing, like, you know,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: our genetics are so good that are two and three
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: year olds are you know, hoping young type deer and
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: someone that's you know, never kill a pope and young,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: especially with a you know, with a bow in their hand.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: It's just like, you know, how can how can you
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: blame them for not passing up that three year old
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: you know, dyer that comes walking by and when they've
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: never killed a deer like that. So there's so many
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: people getting into it, and there's some areas that are
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: definitely way more popular than others that it has really
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: caused us to kind of adapt and and and completely
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: abandoned areas um and really try and get into places
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: that are overlooked that aren't being hunted as much, where
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: you do find a deer of that you know right
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: age class um. And you know, for us, we really
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: like to try and find a deer that's at the
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: minimum five UM. And the deer that's that we killed
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: last year, the named Zeus, we think he was like
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: nine and and that was the biggest that's the biggest
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: he ever was. So we have set Antler's off of
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: him from when he was eight and he scored one
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: nine and then we have um, you know, the next
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: year we killed him and we I think we green
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: scored him at like two or three something like that.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: So from eight to nine we put on ten inches UM.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean to answer your question, yes, there
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: are definitely still places where and it takes a long
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: time to find them where deer getting to the right age.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: But this is something that is becoming so popular that
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you've got ten or fifteen guys hunting
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: the same deer, so there's a lot more deer being shot,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: and it's just really it's in some of these areas
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: where it's more popular, it's really hard to find, you know,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: the right age class. But um, I think everything has
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: to do with obviously nutrition, genetics, but age is also
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: super super important. We watched Dear you know for some
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: time drew something deer right now called Falco that I
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: think he's had on camera for five years. Yeah, we
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: wanted to be a lot of deer. Yeah, we watch
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of deer from one and a half and
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: two and a half and just kind of keep watching them,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: keep watching them, keep watching them until they're at that
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: right edge, uh, to go hunt. It's so cool that
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: you'll have that kind of opportunity where you do have
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: those deer that make it year after year and get
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: to get to watch them and follow them. It's I
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: feel like for for sometimes people on the outside of
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: this kind of little tight community that gets really into
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: the white tail stuff. For people who haven't had that
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: kind of chance, they look at it is kind of
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: bizarre that you might name a deer or that you
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: might watch Dear year after year. But but as you
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: guys obviously know, since you've been a part of this,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: and I've been fortunate to have some opportunities like this too.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting to be able to take the challenge
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: of hunting and ramp that challenge up two level twelve
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: when you're targeting that one deer and learning that one
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: deer's habits and that one dear's behavior and his home
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: range and how he moves between places and why he
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: does what he does. I mean, at least for someone
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: like me and I'm sure you guys too, who's fascinated
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: by these animals, that is like the ultimate and uh,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: it's it's so cool to be able to see that
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: happening in places like this in the city that I
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: think most people just assume that you couldn't do this.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: And what I what I love about it, and I
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: think you immediately we're talking about this just a little
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: bit yesterday, is the fact that I feel like this
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: idea of of the opportunities available in the suburbs and
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: around the city, it opens up the doors of hunting
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: to so many new people that maybe didn't think they
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: could find a place to hunt. You've got these new
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: people coming into the hunting world that want to get started.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: They live in town, they don't have friends or family
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: that live out in the country with big farms and
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: they're thinking, well, yeah, I like the idea of hunting.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: It seems like a cool thing. Joe Rogan has been
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: talking about it, and I'm intrigued. But where the heck
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: do I go. I'm not going to drive two hours
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere and knock going to farmer's
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: door in my penny loafers. Um, but but but but
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: I think if they if they see or hear about
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: what people like you guys are doing right in town,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh, hey, I could drive ten minutes down
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: the road and knock on these doors in my neighborhood
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: and maybe there's a three acre piece I could hunt
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: and that actually could work. I feel like this is
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: just it's such an important idea to get out there
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: at this time when when we need to help bring
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: in this new group of hunters. So so I guess
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: my rambling leads me to this. Then let's talk about
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: how you do this, because if someone's listening and they're
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: intrigued and they want to try to put this into
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: play in their own town, um, I feel like we
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: need to start at where you start. So when you're
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: trying to find a new place, you have to twist
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: my arm a little bit on this one, but we'll see.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my best. So so when you're getting
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: started in a new area, maybe you can use the
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Tennessee situation as example, or or something you're doing there
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta. I guess first, like, what are you looking
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: for when trying to find a place that's worth hunting?
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: You know, when at this point, how do you choose
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: the properties that you're interested in hunting? And then where
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: do you go from there? I think I think Nashville
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: actually is a really good example. I mean you can
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: you can watch our first episode that was released a
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. We have like a whole segment
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: on just before we even go up there for the
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: first time. We are looking at maps and networking and
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: all of that before we even put a boot on
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: the ground. So I think the the first step is,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, just talking to everybody you possibly can, because
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: going out there blind and not knowing where certain pockets
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: of genetics where I mean, there's certain areas of Atlanta
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: and Nashville where there's not there's no deer, and then
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: you go, you know, a couple of miles away and
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: there's a ton of deer. So just getting out there
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: and talking to as many people as possible to figure
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: out the general area first to start, I think is
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: a good first step. Um. And then just you know,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: along up pulling up maps. We uh, we use a
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: couple of different maps. UM. One, we just use you know,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Google Maps in aerial view just to kind of give
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: a sweeping view of different pockets of woods. And then
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: we'll kind of diving deeper with real estate maps that
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: show property lines and owners names and addresses and phone
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: numbers and things like that, so we'll kind of figure out,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: you know, the areas that that have big blocks of
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: woods that may be connected together by river bottoms or
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: creek bottoms so these deer can actually roam around during
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: the season. And then we'll actually look at property lines
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: and we'll look for bigger properties that we can kind
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: of string together. So like I mean, some areas the
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: government or the city owns most of the blocks of
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: woods and the properties are only you know, a half
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: acre um. And then other areas you have you know,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: four and five acre properties um with houses on them,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: just like making up a huge area. So those are
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: the types of areas we like to focus on. Just
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: because it's so much easier for submission and you actually
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: have room to move around. UM. So, I think what's
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: cool about our Nashville video is that, you know, Atlanta,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: we've been doing this for so long that we've kind
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: of established our network and our spots and stuff, just
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: kind of self sustaining beasts. At this point, we're we're
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: always still looking for new areas, uh and whatnot, new
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: places to get access to. But for the most part,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: you know, we've we've done a lot of our groundwork.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: What's cool about Nashville is that we've never been there before,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: so you really got to see, you know, from start
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: to finish of of how we do it and kind
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: like Drew said, it's a lot of studying maps. But
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I think I think the biggest thing is uh, and
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: this will kind of cover a couple of different categories,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: is to not be afraid. The reason I say that is, UH, One,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: you just you need to not be afraid to talk
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: who whoever it is, doesn't matter who it is about,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: just bringing up, you know, your interests in hunting and
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, because that person may let
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: you hunt, they may have a place in their backyard
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: or let you hunt. If not them, they may have
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: a family friend or a family member that said, oh yeah,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: this guy seasier all the time. Oh. You know, you'd
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: be amazed at how many times you you get people
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: talking and they're like, oh, this person said they saw
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: a huge buck, you know, last year, and you're like,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: where was that? And then and then on top of that,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: you know, even if if you're looking at an area
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: or you've been told as a deer in a certain area,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: you know, some of these deer hide and really small
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: overlooked places. Now they travel for miles, but sometimes they're
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: traveling through tiny little fingers, and so you know, if
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: you get a spot and you walk back there and
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: you're kind of like, oh, you know, I don't I
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: don't know, stick a camera out because you never know
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: what's gonna be there. I mean, we run I think
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: we're running like thirty or forty cameras in Atlanta. I
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: think we've been running about ten or fifteen in Nashville.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: And so it's like the more cameras you have out
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: and covering a wider grid, you're gonna find something. And
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: then you can kind of owe in on that beer.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: That's when it kind of comes into not being afraid
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: to start just pounding the pavement and knocking on doors
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: like crazy. I think a lot of people get really afraid.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: They just kind of built it up in their head
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: that it's like this big intimidating thing and knock on
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: some stranger's door and ask them to bow hunt. But um,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: once you just like get the confidence to do it
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: a few times, you get more comfortable with it, and
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: you kind of develop your own language and develop your
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: style of your approach and everything like that, and you
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: just gain more confidence and more confidence and more confident
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: and more you do it. That's that's kind of why
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I say, like, don't be afraid to just talk to
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: people and put cameras out in areas even if it
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: doesn't great, and you know, don't be afraid to go
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: start knocking on doors. Yeah. Yeah, I found in my
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: own experience that it's like a snowball effect. That first
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: story knocking is intimidating, and the second door is a
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: little bit better, and the third door is a little better,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: and then it just gets better and better as you
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: roll down the hill. Building. It was a complete disaster
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: for us when we were sixteen. Like I said, complete
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: disaster for us knocking on doors try and get one
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: place to hunt. I mean we we had no clue
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: what to say. We're probably starting starting our words. I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: think people can really see you right through that. They're like, hey,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: this that's the proudest for guy's first time doing this.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: He doesn't really it's not really confident in what he's saying.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: And then it's gonna just gonna make that owner feel
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: uneasy about it the whole situation. Let's talk about that
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: permission process, because to your point, there's if you're going
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: into this process having not done before, there's a lot
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: of stumbling blocks along the way. Um. I think what
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: I've seen and heard and just from knowing how my
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: own process is developed, I'm sure you guys kind of
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: have a game plan when it comes to how you
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: ask for permission. Maybe what you wear when you're gonna
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: ask permission, maybe how you talk. I saw in your
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: in one of your videos that something one of you
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: mentioned was that you knock on the door, but then
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: you step back a few steps so you're not intimidatingly
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: close to the door when a when a woman answers
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: it and sees this big, tall guy right in her face. Um,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: can you walk us through all the little details that
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: you think about when it comes to properly handling that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: permission asking process? Yeah, so I guess the first step
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: would be, you know what you wear. We typically aware,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: I mean long pants that are somewhat nicer. I mean,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: you don't have to overdress or anything like that because
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: then you kind of look like a salesman and people
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: who practice shut it in your face. But just be presentable.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: And I mean I'll wear a college shirt every once
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: in a while, um, not all the time. We both
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: typically take our hats off because you don't want your
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: face to be covered up. Don't don't look like you
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: just we're tramping around in their backyard, you know, like
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: you've been in the woods all day. Just kind of
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: be you know, clean, just clean and presentable. And I
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: mean it's all about making them as comfortable as possible,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: as quickly as possible, because you have like a very
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: short window to do that before they're like no, not
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: not interested, Just get off my front porch. So I
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: mean there's there's different things that like we've we've kind
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: of learned over the years, even before we choose what
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: house to knock on. I mean, you can tell you
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: can tell a lot about a person just by the
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: car they drive, or the flags they have on the
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: front of their house, or you know they're uh, they're political,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I guess posters in their front yards. So, um, I
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: think you can kind of make your own inferences from there.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: And then just just you know, if you can just
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: kind of the first thing, just kind of get them
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: say something that gets them comfortable, start a conversation and
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: about something in their yard or just like find common
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: ground I guess, um, just to get the conversation go
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: and get them talking, to get them kind of involved
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: in the conversation. And then, um, I think it's super
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: important kind of on along the lines of what least
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: said is like present that you are very experienced and
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: what you're asking to do on their property. So a
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, I'll start out with, hey,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: like I've I've been hunting in this area for twelve years,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Like I've lived right down the road. Um, you know,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: I've I've just been trying to find a few more
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: spots to go to bow hunt for deer. I know
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: there's a ton of them around here. Um, you have
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: one of the largest, one of the largest lots in
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood or something, I'd love to be able to
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: do this on your property. And then they start asking questions, obviously,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: and you just have to be prepared to answer all
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: the questions. You know, they might bring up, um like
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know, liability issues, or they might think you're
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: gonna shoot their dog or the neighbors kids or something
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: playing back there. Um, and they may they may have
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: questions about the actual you know, hunting regulations. So you
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: just have to be able to answer those questions. Um,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: we gotta we get a quickly. Yeah, I would agree
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: with through on like, you know, having your just kind
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: of acting like, you know, this is nothing new to you,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: You've been doing this for a while. But I also
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: am a big believer in like making your own story,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: developing your own story. So you know, if it's a
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: sixteen year old kid and this is his first story
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: that he's knocked on, be honest with them. You know,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: you can talk about, Hey, you know, both hunting in
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Atlanta or whatever city wherever you're at. You know, it's
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: it's I know it's becoming popular, and you know I've
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: been doing my homework. I've been really practicing a lot,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: and you know that, to be honest with you, this
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: is my first time knocking on a door or and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty nervous about it. But I just wanted to
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: have a conversation with you, like like tell your own story.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Don't don't make something up, but like to be honest,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: but but kind of show them, almost make yourself a
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: little vulnerable to them to where it just kind of
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: takes their guard down. It helps them kind of connect
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: with you. So just because you know someone else's story
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: is is kind of different than mine. Yeah, we've we've
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: been doing this for a long time. Doesn't mean you
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: have to like, you know, try and paint that picture
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: that that this is something you've been doing forever. But
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: kind of like paint your own picture, like tell your
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: own story kind of however, that is just kind of
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: connect I think that's the biggest thing is being able
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: to connect with that land under where they kind of
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: see like hey there it's a good kid, or you know,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: you know, there could be a friendship here. Like you know,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: I would like to this kid that to hunt on
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: my property. I think he would as a landowner or
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: a homeowner, but like I think it would it would
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: make me a kind of smile to see him get
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: it here. Um, So that's kind of what I would say.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: It's just like, find something that works for you and
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: developed that and it just takes time, and it takes
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of rejections because we get a lot of rejections,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: and you find out what works, you find out what
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't work, and you just kind of tailor it from
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: there going forward. I mean, I think that that first
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: year we knocked on doors when we were sixteen, I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: bet you we knocked on at least sixty doors and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: one of them said yes. Yeah. Well at that time, yeah,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: for sure, numbers game. But it was like that first
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: year was the biggest learning experience for us. And now
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: that we've kind of developed our approach, like our success
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: rate of getting someone to say yes is substantially higher now.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: The I guess the next question then, is so you
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: you get how many different places like this if you're
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: going into a season with the kind of goals that
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: you guys have. So if you were, we're gonna assume
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: that you're relatively experienced deer hunters listening to this, and
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: you want to try to hunt mature bucks. Maybe you're
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: trying to do that in a suburban environment. Um, but
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: these properties are pretty small, maybe half acre, maybe five
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: acres somewhere around there. How many different spots like that
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: do you, guys try to have access to coming into
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: a given season that would put you in a position
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: where you feel good enough about having a chance at,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: you know, finding the kind of deer you're looking for.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: M hm. May as we can. Yeah, I mean it's
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: it completely depends on you know, what your goals are.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: We all, I mean, we always try to the goal
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: is to be able to get on a good buck,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: you know, early season. So we're gonna go, We're gonna
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: keep searching in the summertime until we find the one
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: that we want to hunt. And uh and just pinpoint
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: you know, his his core area. Um. And then I
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: mean I'll give you if you if you find where
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: he is in the summertime, that you should have an
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: opportunity early season for you know, a couple of weeks
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: at least, uh to have a chance at him. But
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: then you know, obviously everything changes, um, once October rolls around,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: once once the runt rolls around, So there's different there's
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: different types of areas that we will target for different
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: times of the season. And you know, if you're if
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: you're targeting a buck during late October November, like you
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: need to have a bunch of spots to to really
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: have a good opportunity at killing that deer, especially if
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: there's other hunters hunting that deer. Um. I mean, Lee's
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: got one right now that I don't. I don't even
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: know how many spots you have, but I know you
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: have like seven cameras out at seven October, cellular cameras
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: out for him, and these you're just you know, make
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: their rounds. They just travel a loop that could be
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: two miles, it could be ten miles, um. So just yeah,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: the more spots you have, the better I mean, the
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: more you know about that year that the better odds
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: you are getting a pattern and just being at the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: right place at the right time. So I think that's
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: something that is different that we do that that most
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: people don't. And I'll kind of circle back again to
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: that that first spot that we got. I told you that,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: you know, we would always get four or five six
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: shooters coming through there in November, and it was like
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: some of those dear you could tell we're a little
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: more local, showed up more often. And those were usually
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: the ones that, you know, when we hunted enough, we
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: get a chance at. But there was like, you know,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: two or three of those bucks where we had no
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: clue where they were coming from. They were only there,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: you know, once or twice, just kind of very inconsistent
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: and always at night. And it's like, well, you know, that,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: dear is just that's just his behavior. He's not huntable.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: We'll we'll never you know, kill that here. He's just
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: nocturnal or whatever. And so like we kind of ruled
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: those deer out and so kind of fast forwarding. For example,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: like Drew had a spot where I mean it was
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: like a it was like a hundred ninety it had
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: to have been a hunter nine year and it was
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: only coming at night, like the whole season, and we
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: were just like, yeah, the year's unkillable. He'll just it
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: was just our inexperience. But it was just like that,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: you know, he's not he's not he's not killable. You know,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: you know, might as well go hunt a different here.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: But what we do and have have kind of learned
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: is that that beer is showing up somewhere he's got
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: a place he's more comfortable with. It's more more close
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: to where he likes to bed down and more of
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: his time, and you gotta go find it. So all
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of our competition and other hunters here in Atlanta,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: you know, they have a family friend that they get
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: to put a camera out, or you know, they live
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: there and they put a camera out, and they have
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: that one spot and that one spot where they get
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: a picture of a buck and he's you know, maybe
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: showing up there pretty good a bit. Maybe he's just
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: kind of really sporadic. But what we do that's different
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: than that person that just has one spot is when
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: we when we locate that deer kind of like Drew
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: was saying, we'll go get ten other spots around it
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: and just kind of a scattered plot in all directions
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: from where that picture was taken of that deer, and
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: we really start kind of putting putting the pieces together
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: on where he's spending more time. We get really mobile
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: with these deer, kind of going after him moving around
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: a lot. Didn't places, you know, ten spots to hunt
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: one deer as to where most guys will have, you know,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: they're one spot and they'll they'll get the picture of
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: the deer and they'll just kind of ride it out
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: that spot. Maybe it happens there, maybe it doesn't, but yeah,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: that's that's something we do. I think that's been our
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: biggest kind of secret that we've had to success, is
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: that we go after the deer and really find out
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: where they like to spend time. And just I think
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: it increases our odds so much when we can really
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: do our homework, um, studying tin cameras instead of just
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: one and be like, yeah, this this is the place
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: where he's spending the most time. This is where we
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: didn't go after and that I mean that kind of
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: goes back to the whole naming of the deer thing,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: like it just first of all, it makes it way
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: easier to talk about these deer when we when we
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: have a name for him, instead of trying to like
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: describe what they are, like the eight pointer with the
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: kickers and the drop time or whatever. But it also
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: just like chasing them down like that and spending so
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: much time, you know, getting permission and and putting cameras
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: out and whatnot, it just makes it so much more
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: personal and you just like have this attachment to this
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: dear because you put so much effort into it, and
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: so it's just almost like they deserve a name just
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: because you know they're they're a formidable opponent for sure,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Like this dear could be right under your nose and
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: still he's you know, he's outsmarting you almost every single time.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, Lee's got a deer right now that he's
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: we know that this deer is like in this little
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: block of woods and Lee's got them surrounded, but he's not.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: He and he shows up like at night or in
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: the middle of the day, just like randomly in the
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: middle of the day. And this year, just like he knows,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: he knows what's up, Like he knows when there's cameras out.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: He knows when we walked back there into his black woods.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean camera it's it's kind of crazy.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: And uh, you know, he he's completely no curnal at
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: least for now. But the only time he'll show up
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: in daylight is like high noon, noon, one o'clock. It's like, sorry, man,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not gonna be hunting up all
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: day from noon to one like one. I've got a
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: job at too. You know that's just kind of crazy,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: because I mean he shows up maybe maybe once a week,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: once every other week at like noon. It's like I
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: have to sit for fourteen days all day just try
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: and get that one chance at him at noon. So
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes he's zer are just smarter than we
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: give him credit for. Um. I think sometimes they really
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: know more about what's going on than we really understand.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: So so, speaking then of that process and challenge of
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out these deer a little bit better
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: than they have us figured out, let's talk about how
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: you end up scouting these spots and and scouting and
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: understanding these individual deer too. So let's say you've got
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: permission on a bunch of these properties. Now, how do
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: you go in there and figure out how do you
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: hear using it? How do you find these individual bucks
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: and then tighten the noose a little bit on them?
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Walk me through all the scouting, what kind of stuff matters,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: what doesn't matter, etcetera. Mm hm, Well, I mean I
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: think it just depends on what time of year it is. Um,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: we can start with early seasons. Uh, luckily you were
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: saying before. I mean, tad zoo is one thing that
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: we look for a lot of the time in the summer, um,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: just something you know, just like anywhere. I mean, it
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily dis pertain to the suburbs, but a buck
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: wants food, cover, and water. Um, So you get need
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: to find like in a secluded spot that's got all
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: three of those things to where the deer doesn't have
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: to move, you know, more than a couple of acres um.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: So I mean we'll look for that in the summertime
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of times. Um. It's kind of weird how
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: these deer uh travel and kind of pick the sauce
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: that they're gonna hide in. But more and more often,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is just do the hunting
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: pressure or just I don't know just how these year act.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: But we'll go find like the smallest block of woods
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: in the most secluded area, even when there's you know,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: a hundred two hundred acres of woods with everything they
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: could possibly need, um, you know, within a half a
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: mile away. Um. So let'll just we'll get off into
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: these little tiny blocks of woods all summer long until
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: you know, late October, and then they'll go into these
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: big blocks of woods to go find dose and stuff
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: to chase around her in the rut. I don't know
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: if it's like they feel like really tight, kind of
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: bummed up, like everything is kind of just bubbled bottle
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: them up in there. But Drew's all right, like it
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: can't be open woods, so it's gotta be like really
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: really stick but sometimes super small little pockets. It's just like,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they just feel like everything around
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: them is just kind of wrapping them up and they
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: just feel secure in there. But I mean, and they
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: can take over the whole area easily. Um, So yeah,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I mean that's what we look for early season. And
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: what makes this even harder, which I want to make clear,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: is like you can't just go stick cameras out anywhere
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: you want, Like you have to have permission to even
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: get scouting on that property. So that, I mean that
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: increases the time it takes by a hundred because you
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: have to go and actually get permission before you can
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: even know what the you know, what the woods are like,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: if there's water, if there's even you know, good year
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: back there. So we we spent weeks trying to get
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: one landen or so yes because we thought it was
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: a good spot, and we run a camera to the
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: whole year just to find out that there was not
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: a shooter there at all. It's like, well, that's a
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks was a huge waste of time. Not
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: not saying there won't be something there eventually, but like
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you know a lot of these places
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: you get are just dead ends, and that's why you
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: gotta have a lot of different things working. Um I
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: would say really like starting like right now is when
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: and even earlier to kind of answer your scouting question
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: is we love to use mox scrapes to get pictures
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: of deer, especially bucked and our deer gets can get
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: really territorial, so we loved and we'll you know, bend
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: branches down and do all kind of stuff to get
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: like the perfect looking branch and and break out just
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: a huge scrape and we'll put in scent and attractions
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And you know that's how we
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: get a lot of our pictures this time of year
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: and actually have a lot of our success too. Is
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: just really kind of pissing a deer off, getting in
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: an area where he likes and using a scrape to
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: just you know, kind of draw him back. The key
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: them kind of defending that little area. So yeah, and
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: one time, good I was just gonna say, that's that's
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: a really big cool of ours. Yeah. Um, one thing
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: we've kind of started to figure out is a lot
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: of times he's older mature bucks. If you run, you know,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: a pile of corn or something, we'll come to it
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: once or twice. Yeah. So yeah, baiting bill passed this year.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: You can hunt over bait. That's kind of what UM
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: has helped us kind of realize this. But we've all
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: we've realized it in the past. Is these mature, mature
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: deer know when you're getting punted, or maybe they know
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: when they're getting pictures taken on them, because they'll come
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: to a bay pile once or twice and then they
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: won't come back to it again, at least not you know,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: not in daylight. So maks Graith is a much more
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: natural way to kind of get pictures a deer and
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: keep them around longer and uh, keep them from being suspicious.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: So it's it's really uninvasive. It's it's just really really natural.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Uh So I know, I know what your next question
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: is gonna be. You mean to head you off at
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: the past, How has how has the vading bill affected
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: y'all's deer season? What's Yeah, that's one of the things
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: that in my mind. So it's been kind of weird
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: for us this year. Um, you know, we've kind of
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: had to almost go back to the drawing board a
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: little bit on how learning how to kind of incorporate
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: vading and how it is effective, how it's not effective,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: and we're still trying to figure that out. Um. But
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: some of the stuff that we've kind of learned is like,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: for example, the year I'm after, he uh hates a
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: pile of corn. Like he'll kind of come to it
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: at night every now and then, but mostly he'll just
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: kind of linger in the back. He won't really come
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: to it. And I think it's just like he knows
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: it's not natural that was put there, and that he's
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just not it's not right in them.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: So he's automatically kind of on edge when he sees that.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: And I've got you know, I've got hunters literally, not
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: like you know a few hundred yards away or you know,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: a couple of miles away. I've got a dude next
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: door to the hunting and he's got feeders out and
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: I just I think that he is leery of that
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: feeder because he doesn't really go over there, but he
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: comes to me a lot more. And what I'm doing
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: is instead of having a feeder or a pile like
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: out kind of I've got we're kind of we're still experimenting.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: I've got places where we're not baiting, and we're running
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: cameras on scrapes and things like that, and white oaks
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: that we've got dropping. Uh. And then I've got a
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: place where I'm baiting, but I'm like kind of fancasting
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: the corn out instead of like a pile and just
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: kind of throwing it out just like if it were
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: falling off a tree. I think you're like to still
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: kind of graze around and feed around instead of walking
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: up to a big pile and start eating out of it.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: I think it's just a little more natural to them. Um.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: That seems to have helped me kind of get more
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: pictures of bucks um and just kind of get better activity. Uh.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Is just doing that So to kind of answer your question, Uh,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: it's still kind of to beat it. Well, I guess
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: my question. Uh, it's kind of still like to be
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: determined on exactly how it's gonna affect our season. Um,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: you know, we went the first what two or three
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: weeks now the season has been opened and we haven't
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: killed a deer yet. So just because you can hunt
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: over bait doesn't mean it's making it easier for us.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: At least. Yeah, you get younger deer that come to it,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: But as far as like a you know, five plus,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: it's just you know, and that's that does the type
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: of year we're going after, it's just so far for
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: us that has the help. So so two things. Number one,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: I wish more of my guests were like you and
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: would just ask their own questions. They ask a question,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: they answer their own question, they ask it. I could
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: kick back and drink a beer and have a much
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: easier time. Um. And number two, I want to go
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: back to, um, the camera side of things that you
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: talked about how you ran cameras on some piles, You've
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: ran some cameras on the mox scrapes, and how the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: mox scrapes seem to be more natural and maybe work
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit better. Um. I want a little more
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: detail on the camera strategy. So are you just putting
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: like one camera out on each little property? Or do
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: you have some kind of method to the madness as
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: far as like how many acres you want per section
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: or anything like that, And do you change that from
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: early season to the run or is there any other
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: things going on there as far as your camera strategy?
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: And I guess, well more I do I do this.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: I do like these rapid fire ten questions at once,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: and it's probably tough on people. Um, what about when
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: you get one specific deer that you're after, you you
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: put the camera out there, you get zeus on there, like,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: holy smokes, this is the deer I want to hunt.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Do you then like take your cameras from everywhere else
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: and then blanket this one little area? Um, answer all
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: those les. Definitely, we're going to get television on a deer.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: He uh when he finds that one deer that he wants.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: So Lee has like I can't I don't even know
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: how many properties he has in Atlanta, but it's over
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: that he has permission on and he'll get he'll find
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: this one box that he wants to kill, and he'll
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: pull all of his cameras and I won't even look
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: at other properties the rest of the season, at least
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: until he kills that deer and just you know, uses
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: all those resources to uh to hunt that deer, which
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: I mean that's a lot of times, like that's what
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: it takes for some of these mature bucks. Um. And
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: you know there's there's always getting mad and bad for
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: me because I forget about spots I have. Yeah. Uh,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: I'm over here trying to find a year to kill
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: and I can't find one. And he's got like all
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: these awesome spots that he don't even have cameras out at.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: It's kind of frustrating. But um, but no, I mean
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: as far as camera strategy goes, it just completely depends
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: on the property. You know, the layout of the property,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: the size, um, what you're running it over. Time of year,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: I think early season. You know, it's just it's all
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: about getting as many cameras out in as many different
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: places as you can. Um in early season, you know,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: running it over corn isn't gonna isn't gonna bother the deer.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: They know that they're not being hunted hunted that time
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: of year, all right, I guess not early season, but
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: pree preseason, um will come to a polecorn in daylight.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: So it's you know, you could be getting pictures of
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: a group of bucks at one spot, and then a
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: hundred yards two hundred yards away there's a completely different
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: group of bucks. And you know, you just have to
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: continue to move your cameras around that time of year
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: see everything that's out there. When when I too, like
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: late October November rolls around. Just like Lee was saying
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: about that first spot that we got, there's so many
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: little pockets of woods scattered through these neighborhoods that bucks
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: hide in, and when they start moving, they just come
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: out of come out of the woodwork. Like we think
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: that we have this whole area covered with cameras and
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: we know all the year there and that's never the case.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: Like we are always surprised when a giant buck shows
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: up and we're like, where in the world did that bear?
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: Tone from the perfect example that is our buddy just
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: killed a twenty pointer, believe it or not, like a
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: week ago, and he had pictures of that beer two
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: years ago. I had just a few pictures of it.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Never saw the deer again for two years. The year
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: was just gone. And he was like, well, you know,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: I guess someone who got hit by car or you
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: know whatever, and hoole. He shows back up this year
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: and he's at twenty points and he, you know, successfully
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: took that deer. But Drew was like right next to him.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Drew's got spots all around him, Drew's never seen the here.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: It was just like, where in the world was this dear?
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Where did he come from? Where was he hiding? He's
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: twenty points, He's pretty recognizable. Um so yeah, I mean
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: the they literally just like sometimes they're just ghosts and
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: just vanish and we don't know that. I think that's
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: something that intrigues us so much about him, is that,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: like you know, sometimes when you kill a deer, you
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: get people that message you and they say, oh, yeah,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: I I took yourself him here. I was hunting with
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: your here, And you're like really because they're you know,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: five miles from you, and um, you know they're there.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: Just seems to be when you can kind of put
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: the missing information that you wish you had kind of
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: along the way together and it just sometimes it amazes you.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: Where do these deer travel from, where they come from,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: where they go and things like that. But um, kind
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: of what Drew said about like sometimes and it's kind
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: of circling back to your question of you know, putting
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: out cameras. Do we try and you know spread them
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: out or close together kind of? Sometimes we will literally
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: put cameras. I know, for uh, this year that I'm after,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: I've got cameras and some of them are you know,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: a hundred yards from each other, and I get completely
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: different activity on each of them. I get bucks on
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: the camera hundred yards away that I've never seen on
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: the other one that's a hundred yards to the beast
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: of it. So sometimes it's like, you know, very very
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: small amounts of movement of distance. Where you put it,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get completely new dear. Um. So sometimes yeah,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: I mean we're putting cameras out that are a hundred
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: yards apart. Sometimes there are two miles apart, three miles apart.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: So uh, we always have kind of operated under the
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: code of leave no stone unturned, um, So you know,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: we are not afraid to put cameras just a hunt
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: as a little as the hundred yards apart from each other,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: even if it's just you know, crossing one little neighborhood road. Um,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: you just get all kinds of new activity from each
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: do you do you do you do anything different as
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: far as your camera placement to account for they're being
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: more people walking around maybe. I mean, if you're putting
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: a camera in someone's backyard, do you worry about that
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: or do you worry about them seeing it and being
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: weirded out or taking it or or does that not happen?
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: It happens. It happens all of the time a lot.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: And actually one thing that's kind of help that is
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: we started using uh cellular cameras, and I think when
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: people walk across that in the woods and they see
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: a big intent on it, they immediately realize that we
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: already have a picture of them. So a lot of
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: times I end up end up leaving it. But I
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: mean we don't do this and a lot of people
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: we'll put them kind of up in trees facing down. Um,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: but I mean we just always try to We always
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: try to pick a tree that's not obvious, it's not
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: like out and open and like use like lock boxes
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, there's some places like it's guaranteed to
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: get stolen unless you have a lock box on it.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: So the place where this year that I'm kind of
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: after that, I mean, this year should be like way
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: over two. Um, it's in the it's in like the ghetto.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: Like it is very very very sketchy. So all the
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: cameras I have there, I have like double bolted to
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: the tree. Uh, and we do that. We'll do the
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: same with our stands of of you know, bolting into
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: the tree because we've you're just getting a different dynamic
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: in the city that you know, you're gonna have people
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: walking across your stuff and um, so you know, yeah,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: we've we've dealt with in the past and a lot
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: of stuff getting stolen. Yeah, we've some places we've beat
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: up our security and another aspect of it because you
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: just you don't want people knowing that you're hunting back there.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: I guess you never know who the neighbor is. I mean,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: if they're a huge anti hunter and they see your
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: stand or your camera back there, you know they could
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: they could call the neighbor and freak out and you
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: lose permission. So just flying under the radar in every
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: aspect um is super super important. Yea, So how do
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: you do that? I've seen some of your videos, like
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: you're thinking about when you go in and out of
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: your stands, waiting until after darks that people want to
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: see you things like that. Can you elaborate a little
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: bit on how you can stealth mode hunt in the suburbs. Yeah. So,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: first of all, I've made this mistake many times. I'm
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: sure Lee has too. Is once if you get a spot,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: it's on a certain street and it's a good spot, Um,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: don't don't knock on any more doors because you can
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: knock on you know, you may try to string a
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: few properties to the other just so you have room
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: to move. But odds are someone who's not going to
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: be um in favor of hunting, and you could end
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: up losing that spot that you already have. So something
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: already happen this Yeah, it happened just this year on
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: a giant deer that kindles hunting and uh permission. Yeah,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: and the deer's been shown up there in daylight ever since.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: So that's that's the first aspect. And then you know,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: just a lot of times, will carry your camera, just
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: wear street clothes and put our camera on kind of
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: like behind the house. Um, we'll try not Yeah, we'll
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: try not to park, you know, our trucks on the street.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: We'll try to We'll try to get permission to pull
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: our cars, like down the driveway and I'll come in
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: side of the house. There's a There's have been times
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: where I think it was for Zeus to actually, uh
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: Lee drove his dad's Mercedes or something like in the
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: borrow car a little Backfie'll run flyer the radar so
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: people don't see this truck sitting on the side that
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: Roy is gonna block the woods and be like, yeah,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: I wonder what that guy's doing. And some of these
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: spots are so precious that like you just do everything
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: you can to not lose permission. Like for for example,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: this year, we call them nine Lives. You know, Kindle's
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: actually hunting him here showing up all summer um, you know,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: season open, and he was kind of gone for a
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, but then like boom, he shows back
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: up for Kindles over there hunting, hunting, hunting, And then
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: I guess a neighbor took note of his truck and
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: basically found out he was hunting, went to like I'm
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: not kidding, went to every single neighbor on that entire
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: street in that neighborhood and made a huge deal about it.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, just completely blew it out of proportion, and
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Kendall had like two or three spots in this neighborhood
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: and lost all of them at the drop of a
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: half because of one neighborhood. And like Drew said, literally
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: the day after he lost permission, this deer shows up
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: like six pm, broad daylight, and then like the next
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: day boom shows up again like day like just almost
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: like taunting him. He just yeah, Um, So we really
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: try to treat every spot that we get with just
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: really tender hands, and we that might have been a
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: weird way to say it, but we streed him with
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: care because we take care of our landowner. You know,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: we'll bringing gift cards or you know, honey, big ham
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: or kind of whatever, thanks to doing just stuff that
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: you know, they wouldn't expect you to do. That really
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: kind of locks in that they want you to be there,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: but to you know, just we dress in normal clothes.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Like for zeus, you know, I was afraid of losing
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: any of these spots because that was the biggest deer
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: we've ever hunted, and it's like you lose one spot
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: and then it's like you may not get it chance
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: of that dear. So I was leaving my bow and
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: my bowcase under these people's back deck with all my camo.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: So whenever we would part, we'd walk back in normal clothes,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: changed under their back back by their swing set, and
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: then walk through the woods and get in our stand
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: and then coming out, take off the clothes, put the
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: bow back in the case. And it was just so
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: that we were always seeing coming out, not in camo,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: not with a bow and stuff like that. Um so
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: you know, that's that's kind of it's it's really important. Also,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: we we don't put any hunting stickers on our trucks
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: because if people see a truck with hunting sticker, just
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: rais his red flags. And um yeah, there's kind of
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of things we do to just try and
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: have a small foot front as possible. So so I'm
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: kind of skipping a bunch of steps here, so I'm
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: gonna jump to the end and then I'm gonna pull
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: us back. But what about the situation where you've shot
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: a deer and you are now tracking it or trying
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: to recover a deer. Given all these things we've just
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: talked about, trying to stay under the radar, trying not
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: to tick off people who maybe don't like hunters. How
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: do you handle that whole deal? This is where the
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: fun begins. Yeah, so promote Georgia. You you cannot legally,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: you cannot regally go on someone else's property without permission,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: even if you've shot a deer, killed the deer whatever.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: A lot of states, you know, they allow you to
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: do that here. I mean, some people say you can
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: call the game boarden. If if the game warden came
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: out there and helped you, he'd be doing you a favor.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: Like that is not normal occurrence. So yeah, I mean
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: you have to go knock on their door and get
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: permission and and say, hey, do you mind if I
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: retreat this deer off your property? So the Zeus story
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: is another perfect example that leads this dear God, I
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: don't know what fifty yards maybe yard off the property.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: And Lee had to go knock on this lady's door
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: at nine o'clock at night, and she was definitely asleep,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: and she came out in her nightgown and just like
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: basically wanted to lead it. She was just like s
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: contin used and Lee orchards magic and somehow convinced her
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't a big deal, and and she said yes,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: but I mean if she had to know, like it
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: would be to her, we'd be scrambling trying to get
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: maybe asked the game ward to help us out, or
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: I mean it's if that doesn't work out, then I
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: mean there's really nothing you can do. Yeah, I mean
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: if that, if that lady would have said, no, I
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: can't go get that deer. You know, thirty yards across
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: our property line. There's nothing you can do about it.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: So you know, in that case, if that would have happened,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: we probably would have called the game warden and had
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: him trying to help out that situation. Um. But yeah,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: I mean we've we've had some look this of Atlanta,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: it's a melting pot. Not everybody here and loves hunting.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: And you learn that when you knock on a hundred doors,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: we get all kind of reactions from people, anything and
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: everything from the sun. I've I've literally knocked on the
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: door before they had a giant totem pole in their
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: front yard, like it was kind of weird. But whatever
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: knocked on the door and I was like, hey, you know,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: gave my little spiel and basically asked her to hunt,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: and she was like she just looked at me like
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: her jaw and hit the floor and was just like
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: you see that totem pole like yeah, it's like you
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: see the top of it. Like yeah. She was, well,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: that's are you know some so and so symbol of
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: the deer and that like that is our God, that
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: is our religion, that is our faith. You are literally
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: murdering our god. Gets the f off my property? And
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: she called the cops, And I mean, you're you're, you know,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: knocking on people's doors. You're doing what you're supposed to
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: be doing, but still people call the cops on you,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: and cops show up and causes Shane so like you,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: just like you, you get all kind of reactions from
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: people that are like, you know, I hate the dear,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: kill them all. And then you get people that are like,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: no that I worship here. So um that in your
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: question on the Even in the Zoos video, even after
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: we got permissions to retrieve them, you can see in
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: the video like we're tracking without flashlights. I think Leasy
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: using his cell zone light to follow the blood. And
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: that's because I mean there's other houses, you know, backing
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: up to those properties, and if they see some some
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: people snooping around with slashlights in the middle of the night,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: like they're gonna, they're gonna. So. Um, you just have
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: to be mindful of everyone around you, even if you're
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: doing everything legally, Like, you just want to draw as
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: little attention to yourself as possible in that in that scenario.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: But there have been cases where, uh, I've told the
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: story before, but when uh, when there's a blood trail
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: going down the middle of a sidewalk's hard to find
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: under the radar. That's definitely happened to us before. But
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: when deer cross roads bleeding, it's a great place to
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: find blood. If you lose blood, just go up to
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: the sidewalk and you know, you can see him clear
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: as day. If there's a good blood trail going across
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: the road, you pick it back up. Man. Now, what
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: about getting a deer in, you know, from the woods
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: into your vehicle? Do you wrap them up in a
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: tarp or something like that and carry him out? I mean,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: if assuming you can't get your truck back to the
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: wood edge, Um, I mean, people might think you're pulling
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: a body out. Yeah, I'm gonna say, we don't use
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: tarps for that reason. This is Atlanta. Yeah, people would
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: definitely think for dragging a dead body out. But we uh,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: we like to um a lot of times well you know,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: if it's in the evening, we'll just wait till it's
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: like completely dark. Um. But other times we'll get our
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: truck as close as we possibly can to the woods
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: and we'll kind of have a scout of, like you know,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: looking around, making sure nobody's looking, and then we'll just
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: do it as quick as we possibly can. So it
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: is exactly like pulling a dead body out. Oh man,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: I quite the process. That's uh, quite the process. Okay,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: so let's let's let's rewind then back to where we
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: were in the whole journey though. So we've we've gotten permission,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: we've ran cameras, we're finding the deer were interested in hunting.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: Now you actually start hunting these deer, um, And maybe
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: maybe you can use an example like this mega deer
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: you're hunting this year, lead or anything you've been chasing, Drew,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: how what's your mindset as the season begins and you
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: go through the year, Um, what kind of spots are
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: you typically keing in on, Like are you just hunting
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: where you get these pictures or do you focus on
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: all right, food sources in the early seasons, pinch points
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: during the ruck kind of like guys are doing across
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: the rest of the country. Um, kind of walk us
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: through that year of of hunting style strategy. Well, I mean,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: I think you definitely have to be cognizant of the
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: changing food source. Um. You know, right now is when
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: acorn trees start dropping. Um. But I mean we're we're
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: not hunting until we have daylight for multiple daylight pictures
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: of that that book. So um, we're yeah, And that's
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: something we've kind of learned the hard way over over
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: the years. Like we used if we for a long
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: time ago we got like one one daylight picture of
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: a buck, we'd be in there every day and just
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: like you know, just waiting it out, hoping he'd chow up.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: This season, Lee hasn't even hunted yet this season and
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: it's been three weeks and uh, you know, he's just
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: laiting on the right time to uh to go in
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: there with this little bit more damage than good and
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: you're walking in and out, you're sending up the area.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: It's just not the right time to kill that deer.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: And you're just literally I think you're just shooting yourself
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: in the foot if you're just going at it, you know,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: too prematurely. Yeah, and so I mean to answer your question,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: we this time the year, you know, we're gonna look
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: for white oak trees um that are about to drop
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: acorns or the dropping acorns, and a lot of times
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: you know the bust will will come to those at
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: some point. But that doesn't necessarily mean that those bucks
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: are gonna be betting um, or that they're gonna be
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: killable where those trees are. So the camera strategy of
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: constantly moving them around and just covering as much area
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: as possible really never changes. Um. The only time it
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: may change a little bit is peak rutt and you
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: just you just want to be in a travel corridor
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: where you're just getting as many pitchers as possible. Um.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: But so yeah, I mean this time. I think another
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: thing is like we're dealing with sometimes really tight property lines,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, the the property next door
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: is the one that's got the white oaks that are falling,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: and it's just torn up with rubs and stuff, and
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know, they said no, can't get
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: over there, so the beggars can't be choosers in that case.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: You know, we try to there's some places where our
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: spots are an acre Crew's got a spot that's eight
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: hundred acres, but most of them are smaller acreages, and
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: you know you can't you don't have a whole lot
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: of room to move around. So we try to really
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: maximize our spots as much as possible. So what we'll
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: do is, like I said, you know, we'll put in
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: mock scrapes. I've actually done it this year just for
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: fun to try. I've actually made rubs myself on trees
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: just to try and show signs of another dominant buck
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: to just try and kind of fire ups out of
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: their buck in there. Um. And then we'll put in
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: uh we do a lot of food plots, a lot
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: of like wheat food plots and stuff. Just really trying
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: to maximize that little acres that you do have, try
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: and show a lot of you know, deer activity. They're
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: trying to draw in deer to that spot because you know,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: you really are limited on how mobile you can be
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: in some of these areas, so trying to maximize you know,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: kind of the cards were dealt with. The problemy we
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: have is is definitely, you know, something we try to
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: do for sure, and a lot I mean a lot
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: of times, like in a lot of areas, there are
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: acorn trees everywhere, and there's a ton of Yeah this
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: is it's not flat land like Atlanta is pretty pretty hilly,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: and there's tons of creek bottoms, little draws and stuff.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: So you know, are area could have five different little
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: streams that the deer could drink out of, It could
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: have you know, a hundred different acorn trees. So it's
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: it's pretty tough to pinpoint them based on just knowing
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: where like the food sources, because it could be it
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: could be anywhere. Um, and that just you know, lends
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: itself again, so you're just covering as much as much
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: territory as po school. Yeah, kind of going back to
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: like how limited you are in some of these places.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: That first year that I told you about, Charlie, there
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: was like a nine pointer. I watched them opening day
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: of deer season, beat around in broad daylight at a
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: hundred yards and there was nothing I could do about
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: it because I didn't have I didn't have right the
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: right permission there and he wasn't coming to my other areas.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: So you know, sometimes you really are just kind of
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: limited there. There's just places you can't access. And I
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: feel like these these deer know that, and that's kind
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: of some of the places they hone in on. And
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: that's why you know a lot of these deer you know,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: find these safe areas and can get to the right
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: age is that they've kind of found that area where
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: no one can get to. And sometimes that's just it
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: is what it is. Just you can't get in there,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: so you maximize what you can where you are to
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: when he starts moving, hopefully will spend some more time
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: kind of in your little block that you've got permission. So,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: speaking of those kinds of things, Lee, I've seen you
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: you use these mini plots that you mentioned there where
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: it looks like on in someone's back five acres or whatever,
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: you've got this little quick and dirty, tiny food plot.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: Can you talk about how you get that in there
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: and how that helps you? So what really helps is
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: having a hose that runs from their house. Did you
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: water their food? Um? We've spent a lot of time
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: kind of manicuring our food plots, well mostly just plant
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: wheat um and we you know, go in and kind
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: of brake up and blow out an area. Um. We
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: we'll grow pretty much anywhere. UM. So we just kind
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: of throw it out and it'll take and UM. Yeah, literally,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: I've I've like I've got those uh what are those
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: hoses that like expand and then shrink when you're not
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: using them. They're kind of expensive. But you know what
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: hoses them talking about. I don't think I do. They're
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: like they're like we're tracking. Yeah, they're like shrivel up
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: when you're not using them, and then and they're super lightweight.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: And then when you look them up and have water
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: coming through them, they'll like expand like balloon out. Um. Anyways,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: the point of that is that like I'll have I
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: have like four of those that I can connect, and
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: I have like you know, twot of hose that I
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: can you know, run from. I'll just keep it in
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: my truck and you know, I can run it from
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: someone's uh back water faucet and run it all all
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: the way down through the woods down to my food plot.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: Sit there and you know, if it's not getting much rain,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: I'll sit there and you know, water it once a week,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: keep it coming in really good. Um. And we also
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: use leaf flowers, making sure we keep all the leaves out. Um,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. I mean we could, we can
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: talk about a million different things, but you know when
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: we I always see more your activity. When I take
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: a leaflower and blow in blow out the food plot,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: I just think it gets like fresh earth in the air,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: just like some I don't know, just fresh kind of
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: dirt smell going on. But it's like every time we
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: blow off our food plot, it's like that next day
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: or that night and that next couple of days falling, like,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: we always see a lot more activity, do you ever? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: for Charlie, Like there was a couple of times where
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: we like literally we'd go in with a leaf blower, right,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: we'd be in Camo and Drewid climb up in the
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: tree and I'd take a leaflower and be blowing the
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: food plot off and walk up the hill, put the
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: leaflower down, come climb up into deer stands. I'll I'll
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: tell you what, I've never heard of Mark Surrey doing
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: something like that. You guys are bourbon tactics. Didn't you
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: have an encounter with Charlie while you're blowing the plot off?
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: So I was this was like Charlie has was gone
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: for like this is October ish, late October, he was
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: gone for like a week. Like kind of getting down,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, he's not showing up. I go in
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: there to blow off the food plot. I put my
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: leaf flower down, and it's like kind of going down
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: the hillside, and it's like as soon as I turned
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: my leaf flower off, I look up and he's like
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: fifteen yards behind me, just staring at me. Wow. And
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: I didn't I don't know how long you're staying here.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on, But like I
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: turned around and looked at him. It's like as soon
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: as we made eye contact, it was like he just
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: had a huge middle finger pointing at me and just
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: like bounded off. And we had been hunting him pretty
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: hard at that point and he was just totally just
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: destroying us. Yeah. Um, there's not a if if I
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: were to say, like, it's funny, if I were to say, like,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: there's a sound that reminds me of deer season, it's
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: roaring leaf blowers. That's the best thing I've ever heard.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: Every single time we're hunting, we're here in leaf flowers
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: going on. That's terrible. Especially in the filming aspect of it.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: Like you can't film interviews all around you is your mind.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: You can't. You can't hear deer walking around like you
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: just have to you have to rely on your eyesight
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: because you know, the deer could be right under you
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: and you can't even hear it. Another great thing we
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: have to our advantage here is that like sometimes dogs
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: will let you know when you're coming. Yeah, but like
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: if people have dogs in their backyard and they see
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: do you're walking by, like you know, we'll hear a
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: dog like a hundred yards away, just like all right
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: here you come, come comes some deer coming like some
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: over there. So so this brings me to then another
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: thing I've been wondering about when watching what you guys
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: are doing and hearing about it is how human activity
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: impacts things. And then this is a two part question.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: In part one, how do other humans impact your hunting?
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: So how do the neighbors and people blowing their yards
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: and doing landscaping and playing with the kids in the
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: backyard eight yards away your huntre yards away? How does
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: that impact your hunting? And then number two, because there's
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: all this other stuff going on, does that impact how
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: much you can get away with. So, because these deer
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: are used to people walking around and playing around and
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: making a lot of noise, do you not worry about
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: the pressure you're putting on these deer as much or
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: your exits and entryways all that kind of stuff, Like
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: how does all that work? Yeah, so that's definitely something
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: that we've kind of learned over the years. The hard way. Yeah,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: definitely the hard way. I mean we used to just
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: kind of go in if we have a five ache
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: for block of woods, maybe a free bottom. We used
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: to go in there and find the perfect tree, you know,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: on the best trail, and go all the way in
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: that block of woods and set up shops. Now we've
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: kind of learned that these deer like the closer that
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: you get to these that you stay to these houses, Um,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: I guess the more of their guard is down. But
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: that but so like if you're i mean, if there's
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: kids playing in someone's backyard where they're always playing, you know,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: if they're like in the grass area or whatever and
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: they're not in camera, they're not. Um, that's where deer
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: can tell, like if you're in normal clothes or camera
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: and if you're if you're just talking like a normal
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: voice level or trying to like sneak around. They can
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: tell the difference, and um, I think they have like
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: this this line behind you know, houses where they are
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: used to normal human activity. But then as soon as
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: you step over that line, they're like, okay, wait a second,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be back here. Um, So we've
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: kind of we've kind of figured out, you know, how
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: to flirt with that line and use that to our advantage.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: So definitely, I think, I mean, I don't have a
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: ton of experience hunting big woods. I mean, like we said,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: I have spots or eight acres my parents had, I've
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: had a farm for a long time. Um, But I
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: mean I would say the deer when you get into
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: their woods, which should only be you know, a couple
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: of acres, they are just as skittish and just as
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: where as any other deer you know outside the suburbs.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: But if you can kind of like splirt with that
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: line of um, normal human activity, then you can you
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: can definitely use that to your advantage. We get busted
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: in the tree all the time, whether it's they are
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: seeing our movement or you know, getting our scent. We
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: we paid attention to our our window lot, but we
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: get busted all the time. Um, so these deer are
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: not you know, I have friends are like, oh, you know,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about sent in Atlanta. They're
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: so used to human center. Well that's not true at all.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: Not sure, it's not true. They know what a human
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: scent is and they know where it's appropriate to smell it.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: But when you're in the middle of the wood and
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: they smell it and they can't find you, they're gone.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: They know when something is different. And if you're walking
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: around and a back yard and normal clothes, you know,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: they won't pay you too much attention. But if you're
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: walking around and camouflage, they know it's different. They are gone.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: Um so access for us is huge. Uh. We, like
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Drew said, we kind of used to get down in
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: the middle of the you know, the best place we could.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: But what we realized we were doing was we were
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: leaving so much sense going in and out and in
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: and out that the deer just stopped using that area.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: So we've really learned try to like have as our
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: keep our footprint in the deerwoods as small as possible,
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: So try and keep our you know, distance to and
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: from the stand that uh, you know, as as small
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: as possible kind of going trying to trying to walk
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: in areas with a deer aren't gonna be using as
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: much just trying to get in quiet minimal presidents slip
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: out quiet um, you know, minimal presence, so that these
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: deer absolutely no and there's a lot of human activity
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: in their territory and they don't like it. Um. That
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: being said, one thing that we do, we have done,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: and we did we do it this year. We've done
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: it this year is that you know, if we get
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: busted in the tree and they don't know what it
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: is or what's going on, or you know, they just
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: know that it's danger and they've blown out and there
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: if they're still kind of lingering around and we're gonna
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: get down from the stands uh, and it's like in
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: the evening, it's getting dark, we'll climb down and and
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: immediately we'll start talking to each other walking out of
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: the woods. Because I think that these they are so
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: used to hearing people talk on their back deck and
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: you know, yelling to scream at the kids whatever, that
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: they're used to that and they've kind of hopefully associate
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: talking and things like that was something that's not dangerous,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: not something that's trying to If you're quiet and slipping
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: out of the woods, they're like, something's quiet, it might
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: be stalking me acting like the predator. A coyty doesn't
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: go running up to a deer, you know, saying, hey,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: look at me here, I am just you know, kind
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: of talking the whole time. It's slipping up quiet. So
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: you know, if we get busted and we're climbing down,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: like we'll immediately just start talking to each other. Hopefully
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: they kind of associate us just with you know, what
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: they've heard on people's back decks and stuff, and and
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: hopes that it kind of you know, minimalizes that predator
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: type you know, presence in that area. Um, but like
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: you know, we have deer that find us in trees
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: and we'll have to pull our stands down and get
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: into the completely relocate because they know where you're at
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: and they'll check it and all that stuff. So, um,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: it's still Atlanta, still the suburbs. There's things that we do,
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: um that play to our advantage, like talking and things
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: like that, but um, they definitely are still wild animals
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: and they've learned to adapt here um and survive, especially
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: these older mature bucks. These these mature bucks have have
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: zero tolerance for people getting in their turf. The does
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: and younger bucks and stuff, they're a little more tolerant,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: like they'll come back. But you know, if we if
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: we have a deer, a mature buck, bust us in
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: the stand or send us or something like forget about it.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: Just go find somewhere else to relocate or reset up
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: on that deer. Yeah. This uh, this kind of acting
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: like a normal neighborhood person strategy that you talked about
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: when you're leaving the stand. Do you ever do that
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: during the middle of the day when you're like trying
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: to scout a new property or maybe you have to
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: hang a new stand. I feel like I remember seeing this,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: maybe in like your Bin series you're hunting this buck,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: and I feel like I remember you walking into some
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: new property you got permission on and you're talking and
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: filming and like, all right, this is the true we
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: got a hunt. And I'm sitting there thinking, holy smokes,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: is the middle of the season. They're walking around hollering
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: and hanging stands. But it kind of makes sense that
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: maybe you do it on purpose because to your point,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: they differentiate between the two different types of two to
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: the type of activity. It depends again, we're like trying
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: to flirt with that line of where they're used to
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: human presence. And most of the time, you know the
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: spot where that you're talking about where he's hunting ban
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: I mean that was like right in someone's backyard basically,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: so the deer most likely was not betting down within
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: sound distance from there. But yeah, I mean scouting. I
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: mean we're not wearing cameo and sneaking around and stuff
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: like there. The deer used to kids and stuff walking
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: through the woods every once in a while. Um, so
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: that's that's definitely subsolently, I know, if you're talking about
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: with the band episodes and and yeah, you're right. So
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: that was we pulled up to the spot. It's basically
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: just like a just a hardwood ridge, and um, I
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: remember I said, you know, I'm gonna get out of
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: the truck and walk up in normal clothes. I think
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: I had been you know, binoculars. I was looking and
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: that that was in the case that if he was
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: betted there, or if there was year there, you know,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: hopefully they would kind of look at us and kind
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: of ease on off instead of us trying to sneak
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: to the stand first and camo and having those deer
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: see us and just completely blow out of there. Yeah.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: Um so yeah, there are some cases where like I
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: walked up in normal clothes, they see it. You know,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: there was some construction going on houses and stuff there,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: so they say, see people there a lot um to
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: try and you know push some of those gear out
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: because they would bed like right under the stand. Yeah
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: that was right before we got the stand, wasn't it.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: So you walked up there right, and then you came
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: back and we changed and then that's that's actually the
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: night that we killed him, right yep, mans a heck
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: of a deer. That was a great looking buck. You
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: guys were able to get on, so obviously what you
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: guys did worked. Um So back to this whole idea
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: of these dear being understanding of a certain level of
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: certain level of human activity, and it seems like there's
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: ways you can take advantage of that while still obviously
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: still need to be careful. But does this also allow
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: you when you are hunting on that that flirting with
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: that edge, that edge where it's okay versus not okay.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: Does that allow you to hunt certain spots more than
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: maybe someone might be able to otherwise. I mean, I
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: feel like lots of times when I'm talking to guys
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: that are hunting these rural farms, you know, there's not
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of people out there, ever, the pressure is
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: very very low. They oftentimes we talk about, you know,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: that first set is your very best chance, and then
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: it's going to go down significantly after that because they
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: pick up on that human scent and activity very quickly.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: You just have a time or two in these kinds
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: of scenarios where you're hunting the edge of that human
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: activity line. Can you find those right spots you can
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: hunt over and over and over as long as you
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: play your cards right and get away with it because
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: they're used to some of that. Yeah, I think so.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's definitely differences between advantages and disadvantages in
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: the suburbs versus you know, hunting big woods, and that's
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: probably that's definitely one of them. Um understand though. Yeah,
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: you have to be in the right you have to
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: have your your stands set in the night spot for sure. Yeah,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: I think you can get away with more. But if
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: it's like you know, a place where we're getting in
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: the in the thick of it with them, then no,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: I would say that it's the exact same scenario, that
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: your first set is definitely your best odds, and that
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: that kind of goes back to why we study cameras
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: so much like we do and not hunt until that
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: time is right. Yeah, that makes sense. Um So, I
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: don't know if you want to elaborate on that at all,
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: but well, no, no, I definitely agree with that, Like
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: you have to and you have to follow, you know,
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: those rules of worried that you are used to the
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: human activity, and that goes for if you're in the
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: suburbs or you're not, um I mean, and you know,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: the deer in the suburbs are more used to human
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: activity in certain areas than they would be in the
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: big woods. But in the big woods you have the
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: advantage of being able to you know, you have a
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: lot more room to work with and a lot more
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: room to play the wind. You know, different trees to
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: set up in and in the suburbs, a lot of
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: times you have if if you're lucky, you have that
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: one tree that you can choose from and you just
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: have to make it work. So I think it's a
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: lot of give and take. Yeah. Sure, Now, based off
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: all of this, I can kind of assume the answer
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: to my next question. But what about other people messing
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: up your hunts. Let's say someone decides to go walk
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: their dog behind the house and walks all around you,
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: or you know, kids come running through. Is that the
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: kind of thing that obviously it spooks off the deer
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: right at that moment, but you're like, Okay, we'll sit
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: it out because they're used to that deer will come
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: back through eventually, maybe once these people move off. Is
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: that the case that happens a quite actually, Um, But
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's more of a thing where like it
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: may spook them off for that time being, but the
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: next day is a fresh day, and they don't really
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: care or remember about you know, that person walking their
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: dogs in the back of in the in the woods,
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: because that's just something they've kind of come to know,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: So it's not it's not if it's something they've seen. Yeah,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: it may spook them off for the time being, but
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna be something that's gonna be like a
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: permanent memory in their mind where they're like, I'm avoiding
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: that area. Something where it's like you're in the stand
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: and they sent you, or they spot you in the
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: stand and see you there. That's something that stands out
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: to them and would be something where they would definitely
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: like vacate that area and not come back. Um, but
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: drew you. I mean you can tell a story about
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: will Bury and that pit bullet came and chased them off. Yeah. Yeah,
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like, yeah, we have dogs run up
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: on it. It's pretty often in a stand. And uh,
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: I think it was four years ago. I was hunting
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: this buck I called Willbury. He's just a an awesome,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: just slick eight pointer. Um it was I think it
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: was the first or second week at the season, and
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: this year was in there just like every day. He
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: he kicked out all the other bucks in his bachelor
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: group and was he had made like I don't know,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: five or six scrapes in this little tiny area and
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: he was coming in every day. Lee and I were hunting. Um,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: I think we had we had like two encounters with
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: him right at dark. Actually shot at him and missed
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: one night, and I was out there again the next day.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: And uh, he was coming in like he was walking
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: straight under my stand and maybe ten yards away. I
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: was full draw about to uh, just waiting for him
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: to turn broadside, and all of a sudden, the neighbors dogs,
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: a couple of pit bulls came running through the woods
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: and chase them off. And like, I think that's if
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: they're again, like if they're used to stuff like that, Like,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: if they if that's a natural occurrence, it's going to
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: scare them off for a little bit, but they're going
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: to come back if it's not some sort of like
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: life threatening thing for them. So I think I ended
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: up feeling that deer a couple of evenings later in
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: the same the same general area. So um, it just
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: completely you know, it depends what they associate, um, that
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: presence with. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Man.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: So so you're you're going in and getting permission on
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: all these different places that maybe more guys don't tend to.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: You are scouting them out, You're running a ton of
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: cameras to find where these older, bigger deer are your
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: ZERI and on them once they get daylight active. You're
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: doing little things like putting these mini plots, running mock scrapes, um.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: Being careful about how you're getting in and out and
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: making sure that you're on that line between safe and
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: not safe for deer, so you can take advantage of
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: your doing all these things. Is there is there anything
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: else that you're doing during the hunting season or otherwise
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: that you think is making you guys uniquely successful that's
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: allowing you to have, you know, buoning Crockett class bucks
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: coming out of the suburbs of Atlanta that we haven't
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: touched on yet. Uh. Something is probably like you know,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: we we've talked about waiting for the right time to
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: be in the tree, but once it is that right time. Uh.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: The probably one of the biggest thing for us is
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: just we spend so many hours in a tree sitting there,
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: you know, waiting for it to happen. We can spend
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: more time in a tree. We're blessed in that way
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: than most people. And you know, for example, Bayne last year,
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: over the two years of hunting him, I think we
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: sat like over sixty times UM. And so I don't
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: know how many hours it was that we actually spent
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: in a tree hunting that year. UM. And then you know,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: for Zeus, I think we sat like times or so times,
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: um and you know, finally finish the story on that here.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: But it's like, I think the biggest thing is once
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: it's the right time, you got the right set up,
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: everything's right. It's just spending time at a tree and
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: and just as much as you possibly can and not
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: missing that one opportunity that that here presents itself. I
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: think that's something that you know, it's it's yeah, you know,
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: your your first it's gonna be your best set when
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: the time's right, and everything like that. But when October,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: you know, late October November one around, it's all about
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: being in the tree as much as possible because sometimes
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: you know that that bucket of a lifetime that are
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: that they're here only presents that one chance, and it's
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: not missing that opportunity, um, Drew. I don't know if
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: there's anything else you can think of, but I think
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: that's one of the big things, is that we just
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: get this and so much time on a tree. Yeah,
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: and I mean we've touched on it a little bit,
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: but these books, like, especially during the rut, these bucks
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: travel a ton and one good example is Lee had
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: pictures of the same buck on two different cameras seven
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: miles apart in the same night. Um, and that's crossing
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: like a bunch of heavily traffic roads like four lane roads, um,
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: neighborhood roads and all sorts of stuff. So you know, yeah,
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: you say, your first sit is always your best chance,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: but I mean there's also a very good chance that
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: that the buck you're hunting is not in that block
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: the woods, you know, those first fifteen times that you sit,
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: So it could take um, you know, a week and
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: a half of sitting there before you catch him on
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: that leg of his of his loop. And you know
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: whether or not, God, I'll just saying whether or not.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, he may come through that one time, but
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: he might may not even give you an opportunity that
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: one time. So then you have to wait again for
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: him to do his full circle and come back to again.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: So we also have like for banes, and the same
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: with you know, the deer that we're hunting this year
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: is like we have three or four different sets of
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: stands that we've hung and a lot of times, you know,
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: we have these covert cellular cameras. So it's like if
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: we wake up, we're playing to hunt in the next
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: morning and we wake up in the morning, it's like,
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: where was he seen last? So when we sit, you know,
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: sixty times in a two year spans these deer sometimes
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: it's it's not necessarily in the exact same spot, in
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: the same stand. It's like we kind of read where
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: his last activity was and kind of you know, if
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: we saw him over at Spot A, we'll go to
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: Spot A. But if the next night, you know, he
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: seems to have moved over Spot B, we'll go over
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: Spot B where we've got our other stands, Hong, So
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: we're constantly kind of adjusting reading where you know, getting
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: kind of real time information is unmatched that that probably
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: something that is, you know, our game changer is getting
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: real time information on deer activity, where he's at, where
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: he was last, seeing things like that, and also not
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: having to go in the woods to check these cameras.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: You're minimizing your sun but just knowing in real time
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: is you cannot replace that, you cannot beat it. Yeah,
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: you know, on the on the the the opposite side
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: of that, though, do you guys see any kind of
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: like annual patterns emerging? Lots of times you hear guys
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: say that they noticed that this buck seems to show
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: back up in this little area the first week in
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: November every year, first week in October every year, and
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: you can start using the historical data, it seems like
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: with these deer you followed multiple years, that might be
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: the case. Have you all do that? Absolutely? That's that's
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: actually a really good question, because that's something that I
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have, I guess thought of, But I told you, like,
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: sometimes we'll have pictures of these deer for like four
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: or five years before we actually hunt him. So we've
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: we've already built so much history around that deer of
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: where he likes to spend, what time, that we can
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: actually head beer off so vain. Last year we had
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: an early season encounter with him and after that it
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, we were like, he's not coming
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: back here. After that happened, we know where he's going though,
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: it chases Does. So we completely pulled out of that area,
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: relocated and like clockwork, you know, second or third week
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: of October, you know, here he is four miles away
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: chasing Does. And the same with Kendall and that deer
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: that he lost permission at and we told you about
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: that like h year, Uh, he knows where that deer
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: goes in November, late October November, so he's already heading
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: him off. But history and knowing these dear sendencies is
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: also something that's just you know, huge, huge, huge key
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: and a lot of times, like on this year that
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: I'm hunting this season, which I've watched for five or
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: six years, like, I know, I know where he goes,
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: but I'm only I'm still very limited on where I
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: can actually hunt. So I knew that I had a
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: small kind of window of opportunity early season which I
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't able to capitalize. And now I know that he
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: kind of just roams around throughout the middle of the season,
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: and there's not much I can do about it, um besides,
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: you know, run October camera and hope I can catch them,
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: you know, just stopping by in the middle of the season.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: But I do know that he shows up at a
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: different spot in January, and when he's there, he's like clockwork.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: So you know, I may know where that deer is
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: and I may have a bunch of history with them,
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: but that does not necessarily mean that you know, it's
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: a just a um that it's game over, Like I'm
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: gonna have to most likely have to wait until January
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: to uh to have a shot at this year. So
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: that's definitely a huge, huge advantage. Okay, So I've taken
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of you guys time. We're pushing two hours
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: already coming up on it. Um, I feel like we've
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: only scratched the surface. I know, it's it's crazy how
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: quickly this goes and how much more let's talk about.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: But I guess I want to leave you guys with
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: one last prediction that I want from each of you.
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: You're each sounds like you're each after a buck. Sounds
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: like Lee's got a two plus. Drew, I'm not sure
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: what kind of deer you'r chase, but I'm sure it's
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: something then that makes my jaw drop. Um, if if
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: you kill these two deer, I'd like you to predict
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: when and how you would expect it to happen. If
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: if you were to look back and say, yeah, I
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: kill that dear, paint me the scenario in which you
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: think that would happen. So, Drew, you just said it
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: will probably happen in January, Um, but but flesh out
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: how you think that if it was gonna happen this
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: would be it. Yeah, So I mean, I guess it's
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: one or two things. Like I said, it's gonna be
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: a crapshoot um late October November. I mean, he the
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: spot that I have permission is between two big blocks
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: of woods that it's impossible to get hunting access to UM.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: And so he passes through UM my little block woods.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: It was just probably five acres, but he doesn't necessarily
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: hold up there. So I am. I am feeding in there,
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm holding a group about of about five or
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: six does And there's a chance that he passes through
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: and locks down on a dough in November in that
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: block of woods. So I'll have cameras out um obviously
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: all year long. And if he does that, if he
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: shows up, I'm gonna get in there and hunt. But
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: that's gonna I mean, that'll be you know, it's not
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: very high odds, so most likely I'll just have to
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: wait it out and hope that he will not get
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: shot or hit by far And I think January, I'm
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: gonna say January twelfth is when he's gonna show up
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: at my my late season spot and he's gonna start
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: coming to Most likely he's gonna start coming to corn
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: since corn is legal now, and it'll take me maybe
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: on the three or four hunts to get them because
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: once I mean once they get on that late season
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: food source, they really don't have a whole lot of
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: other options besides landscaping. So, um, they get pretty predictable
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: that late season. And actually we didn't mention this, but
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: the season in the suburbs has for years has run
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: a month longer than the rest of the state. Um,
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: it's changed now, but for a long time, the rest
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: of Georgia closed at the end of December and the
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: suburbs go all the way through through January. So they
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: kind of I think they kind of let their guard
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: down these last two weeks of the season. So that's
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: my my prediction there on that book. All right, it
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: sounds like a good plan. What about you, Lee, I'm
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: kind of chuckling at myself, But Drew brought up something
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: we I really talked about. But November, our enemy number
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: one is definitely Mom's soccer vands going down the street.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: That's our biggest competition in some areas, and we've had it,
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: We've had to go down that way for us several times.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: But um, yeah, so I'm after two year right now.
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  Speaker 1: One of them is like, I don't know how big
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: he is. He's giant typical, he's definitely over one seventy.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: He's the one that I've got like seven cameras out
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: for um. He actually just showed up this morning for
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: the first time in like a while of hunt what
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: I would call huntable hours, like in the morning of
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: the evening when I'd be sitting there instead of this
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: middle of the day I'm in this year's he's still
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: kind of in his summer area. He's actually still with
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: his running buddy once probably the third or fourth week
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: of October. Hit this year travels for miles. He is
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: a complete just he's completely random. I hope it doesn't
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: come down to that point. So what I'm hoping for
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: and what I think is my game plan is is
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: that while he's still in his summer ish area, I'm
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: really utilizing scrapes right now because he's really getting all
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: the pictures I have him. He's got his head up
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: in the scrapes and he's getting really defensive on him.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna continue to work out against him before his
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: pattern changes and he starts chasing. Does all over the place,
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: because once it happens, it's just you know, it's it's
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: gonna be a complete gamble. I'm hoping there's gonna be
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: a little window beforehand where we get some cooler weather.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: He hasn't left that area. He's hitting these scrapes, and
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna go down, um before November, So
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: hopefully like in the next next week, week and a half,
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: I think it can go down with this year for
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: the two year. Um right now, I know that this
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: year is in a certain area, and it's a big area. Uh,
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: I'm keying in on the place, and it put me
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: a really long time to get permission here. And I
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: actually just confirmed permission yesterday. Um, there are funds of
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: those I mean, like like thirty or forty does that
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: are coming through this section I'm in. I'm vetting that
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: when November rolls around, I probably won't see this year
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: until November. But when November rolls around and all these
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: all these does start coming in the heat, I guarantee
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: you that this box is going to show up in
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: this area dog and all these dose so and that's
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: assuming he makes it that long. Because a lot of
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: people there's there's just like fifteen people hunting this year
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: at least, So if he makes it to November, I'm
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: I've got all I need. Just because I'm not seeing
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: him in other bucks right now. I'm completely fine with
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: that because I'm in the perfect area where I know,
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: if I'm a mature buck, this is the place that
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: I would want to be. There's plenty of plenty of
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: poon tank to chase around here. So um. The beauty
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: of this is you can edit that out if you want, right,
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: you can say whatever you want. Um. So I think
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: I think that if it were to go down with
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: that two, it would be in the heat in November. Um,
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: this other typical. I think it's gonna be really hard
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: to kill him in November, and he's gonna be traveling
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: so far. Um, So I think it'd be October when
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: he's hitting scrapes or that late season window when he
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: keeps back and keeps back on the food. So well,
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: those are good predictions, and and hopefully when those predictions
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: come true, we have to get you guys back on
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: maybe one of the radio episodes to describe what was
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: going on and how it all, how it all happened.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: Hopefully you just describe exactly what you just did. So
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: you who never goes that way, but at least you
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: get a plan in place to go for it. Um Man,
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: this has been really really interesting, really unique. So this
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: is fun for me. And if folks want to follow
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: along with what you've got going on, how your seasons
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: are going, your future videos and all that, where can
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: they find that stuff? Yeah, So all of our videos
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: are posted on Facebook, UM and YouTube, and our facebook
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: is Seek one Productions. It's s e e K O
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: n e UM. They're also aired on Mossy Oaks Facebook
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: page and No Mad's Facebook page. And then to keep
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: kind of keep up with the daily uh of us
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: is Instagram is the best place to go um it
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: seeks and then the number one instead of spelled out
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: skin productions at Quin Productions. So that's what we put
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: post on most um And kind of what we're doing
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: with the videos this year is we've already released one
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: is the Nashville episode, and then from there, I mean,
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: we're producing episodes per kill, so we try to we
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: try to get them out within you know, forty five
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: days or so of the kill. Um So right now,
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: I mean likely said none of us have killed a
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: buck yet, but we've got nothing in the works, but
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: hopefully we start putting some down here soon and you
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: can expect to see some videos you know, shortly after that.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 1: So if you want to before we go, uh, kind
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: of bring the correlation to our seek One name, they
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: could just have some me into it and kind of
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: why would have that name? Yeah, we can do that. Um. Yes, again,
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: follow our Instagram kind of. Lee and I are both
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: pretty strong Christians. We went to a Christian high school.
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 1: And so what kind of what we're trying to do
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: is use this platform to glorify God and to just
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 1: kind of spread his name um in this season through
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: our Instagram every Sunday, we're kind of doing like a
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: little mini sermon um and just kind of doing a
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: faith walks from beginning in and just trying to make
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: as big as impact as we possibly can um on
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: the hunting community. And the name seek one actually comes
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: from a speaking like one specific buck. You know, we
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: like we've talked about we build this story about around
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 1: one buck um and then also just seeking you know
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: one God, Jesus Christ. So that's really that's one of
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: our big motivations for doing this. So Um, if you're
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: into that, that's awesome, and we hope you follow us.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: And if you're not, I just hope that you you
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: guys go on our Instagram and kind of read our
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: post from the last few Sundays and follow along and
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: kind of just ask the hard questions and maybe start
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: that journey. So we get a lot of questions of
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: how we kind of came up with Seek one, so
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 1: we'd like to try and bring it all around for
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 1: people to ask. So very cool, very cool. Well, you
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: guys are doing great work. Um, not only you know,
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: you've got a great sounds like you've got a great
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: mission behind what you're doing, but you've got great deer
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: that you're chasing a unique situation. But the quality of
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: the work too is very impressive. I can see that
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: you were inspired by guys like you know, Donnie Vincent
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: and the group the Cruise Sigmanta or Heartland bow Hunter.
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: It seems like you took that and you've you put
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: your own spin on it and really putting out work
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: that's top notch. So to anyone listening, yeah, of course,
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: I think anyone listening. I'm sure you found this interesting
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure you're gonna enjoy those videos, so head
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: on over and check those out. So Lee and Drew,
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: thank you for joining me and uh, good luck this season. Yeah,
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: I actually thanks for having us on and that is
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: a rap. Folks, thanks for joining us, Thanks for tuning in.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this one. I will just reiterate
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: a couple of the quick things I mentioned at the top,
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 1: that being the new season and meat Eater that's on Netflix.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: Make sure you check that out. Also, with the new company,
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: meat Eater, Inc. You will be finding all of my
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: new Wired Hunt content on that new website. So that's
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: the meat eater dot Com. That's where my new articles
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: are going to be. That's where my new videos are
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: gonna be, in addition to YouTube. That's where the new
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: podcasts are going to be, in addition to your podcast
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: apps and everything. And on top of what I'm putting
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 1: out there, there's also content from Steve Ronnella. There's content
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: from Ben O'Brien, April Bokey, Pat Durkin, Eduard Garcia, a
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of other people. Um, the team is growing
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: rapidly with some of the best and the brightest folks
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: in the hunting and Fishing World, So I hope you
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: check that out. I hope you enjoy it, and until
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: next time, thank you so much for your time, your tension,
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: and your support, and stay wired to hunt