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🧑‍⚖️ An update on the horrific Lindsay Clancy case... · KIIS Breakfast

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  Speaker 1: This is Kiss Breakfast.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, just quick warning. This chat is going to
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  Speaker 2: touch on things like death, mental illness and suicide. So
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  Speaker 2: a bit of a warning for you there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Lindsay Clancy trial has seriously gripped America for
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  Speaker 3: weeks and has made headlines around.
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  Speaker 1: The entire world.
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  Speaker 3: So obviously, Lindsay Clancy was accused of murdering her three children.
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  Speaker 3: Their ages were five, three and eight months old. She
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  Speaker 3: was at her Boston home in 2023. And after weeks
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  Speaker 3: in court, this case has been declared a mistrial.
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  Speaker 2: Which is huge, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Huge. I think there was, I don't know how many jurors,
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  Speaker 3: but everyone, you have to get to a unanimous decision,
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  Speaker 3: and there was one.
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  Speaker 1: Who wouldn't agree? Yep.
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  Speaker 3: So what happened and what happens next?
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  Speaker 1: To break it down, we've.
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  Speaker 3: Got Sierra Gillespie joining us on Zoom. She hosts the
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  Speaker 3: podcast Scandal on the Law and Crime Network in the US.
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  Speaker 3: And she's actually been inside the courtroom following every single
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  Speaker 3: detail of this case.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Sierra, hello.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning. Thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Can you tell us what are the prosecution actually accusing
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  Speaker 2: her of doing?
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  Speaker 1: So this is really confusing for everyone all over. Even
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  Speaker 1: if you have followed the case closely, it's confusing because
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay Clancy admits that she killed her children. Usually in
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  Speaker 1: a murder case, it's, I didn't do it. I wasn't there.
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  Speaker 1: There was someone else. It's a whodunit. That's not the
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  Speaker 1: case here at all. Straight up, her defense says, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay Clancy did kill the kids. The question here was
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  Speaker 1: criminal responsibility. Was she of sound mind at the time?
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  Speaker 1: So the prosecution says she was. This was cold-blooded murder calculated.
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  Speaker 1: She planned it out. That's kind of what goes into
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  Speaker 1: first-degree murder here in the States is that it needs
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  Speaker 1: to be premeditated. So they argue she was of sound mind.
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  Speaker 1: She was good to go. She planned this. She wanted
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  Speaker 1: her husband to leave the house so she could murder
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  Speaker 1: the kids. But the defense says that this was a
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  Speaker 1: mental break, that she's not criminally responsible because she was
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  Speaker 1: in the throes of postpartum psychosis, something that's commonly known,
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  Speaker 1: at least here, as not guilty by reason of insanity.
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  Speaker 1: So it's kind of different than a normal case because
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  Speaker 1: we know who did it, but they're arguing her mental
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  Speaker 1: status at the time of the murder.
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  Speaker 3: Are they trying to get Lindsay to serve out the
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  Speaker 3: rest of her time in like a mental institute as
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  Speaker 3: opposed to jail?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. That's exactly what they want. Because they've talked a
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  Speaker 1: lot about her mental health issues. They say that they
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  Speaker 1: want her to get help.
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  Speaker 3: How was Lindsay Clancy's behavior during the trial? Like, I've
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  Speaker 3: clocked a few things. You know, her eyes. Sometimes I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: she looks a little bit dead behind her eyes. And
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  Speaker 3: I feel for her. This case is really horrible. I
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  Speaker 3: have three of my own children. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It hits home really hard.
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  Speaker 3: What was her behavior like in the courtroom?
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  Speaker 1: You're so right. This is such a hard case to
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  Speaker 1: watch because the facts are terrible, no matter whose side
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  Speaker 1: you're on. It's just tragic. But Lindsay inside the courtroom,
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  Speaker 1: because I was there inside the courtroom for a decent
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  Speaker 1: amount of it, she does look– she has a range
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  Speaker 1: of emotions, obviously, like all of us do. But she,
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  Speaker 1: for the most part, looked sad, just sad. you know,
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  Speaker 1: blank face. Oftentimes I would see her almost looking like
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  Speaker 1: she's zoning out, like just not with it. Other times
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  Speaker 1: she did pay attention though. She could follow along with
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  Speaker 1: whoever's talking. But honestly, most of the time she looked sad.
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  Speaker 1: I saw her coming into the courtroom with What looked
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  Speaker 1: like mascara kind of running down her face as if
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  Speaker 1: she had been crying previously. I'd seen her cry in
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  Speaker 1: the courtroom. She'd put her head down on the desk.
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  Speaker 1: There was never really a time where she was happy. Again,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't a happy case. She was very upset most
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  Speaker 1: of the time.
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  Speaker 2: Now, then last week, a big thing happened, right? So
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  Speaker 2: can you explain that to us? It was like one juror.
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  Speaker 2: They couldn't reach a verdict. It was dismissed. Explain that
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  Speaker 2: and tell us what happens now.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: deliberations were seven days and at least how we have
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  Speaker 1: it here i'm not super familiar with the judicial system
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  Speaker 1: in australia but it's got to be somewhat similar but
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  Speaker 1: i guess i'll just explain it so basically we have
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  Speaker 1: a 12 person jury and they have to reach a
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  Speaker 1: unanimous verdict so every single person has to agree on
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  Speaker 1: what usually it's not guilty or guilty in this case
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  Speaker 1: it could have been a myriad of different things but
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  Speaker 1: the way that it ended up shaking out is that
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  Speaker 1: 11 of the jurors so almost 100% felt that she
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  Speaker 1: was not guilty by reason of insanity. They thought that
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  Speaker 1: the defense made a strong argument that she was going
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  Speaker 1: through a lot of mental health issues at the time
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  Speaker 1: of strangling each of these kids. She was not mentally
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  Speaker 1: right in her mind. She wasn't criminally responsible. But there
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  Speaker 1: was one singular holdout, one male juror. And the way
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  Speaker 1: the jury was broken down, by the way, it was
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  Speaker 1: nine women and three men. So there were only three men,
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  Speaker 1: two of which agreed with the rest, but that one
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  Speaker 1: holdout juror. And he's the reason that this was a
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  Speaker 1: mistrial because they went back multiple times. The jurors came
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  Speaker 1: forward and said, hey, we can't reach a unanimous verdict.
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  Speaker 1: And the judge sent them back. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: three different times. I was there for it all, seven
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  Speaker 1: days altogether. What's going to happen? What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 1: And eventually, it was a mistrial. So now, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of options, right? So the DA, Tim Cruz,
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  Speaker 1: for the Plymouth County District Attorney's Office, has said, we
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  Speaker 1: haven't decided if we're going to retry this case. Because
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  Speaker 1: there's so much that goes into it, right? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's taxpayer money. We've got to find a new jury pool,
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  Speaker 1: which you're in Australia. I'm in Massachusetts. How can we
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  Speaker 1: find somebody who doesn't know about this case if in
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  Speaker 1: Australia you guys are talking about it?
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  Speaker 3: True. True. Right?
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  Speaker 1: So that's got to be really hard. There's so many
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  Speaker 1: different things that go into it. Getting the witnesses, their schedules,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's so many different things they got to
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  Speaker 1: think about. So they haven't decided yet. They could retry
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  Speaker 1: it as first degree murder. They could bump it down
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  Speaker 1: and try second degree murder or manslaughter. They could reach
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  Speaker 1: a plea deal with Lindsay Clancy's defense team so that
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  Speaker 1: we don't have to go through this at all. We
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  Speaker 1: kind of just would move to the sentencing phase. Or
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  Speaker 1: they could drop it all together and say, we had
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  Speaker 1: a good run. We tried it out. It didn't work.
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  Speaker 1: It's not worth our time and money. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's going to happen just because this case is so divisive.
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  Speaker 1: I would guess that it's going to go back to trial.
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  Speaker 1: And last week when I was in the courtroom, the
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  Speaker 1: judge said, all right, let's get something on the books
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  Speaker 1: for the fall. Meaning I don't know when that could be. What, October, November?
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  Speaker 1: We're in September.
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  Speaker 3: It's coming.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Sierra, can I ask? And I know there's so many
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  Speaker 3: conspiracy theories going around and like my girlfriends are adamant
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  Speaker 3: that there's been foul play. Do you think that there
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  Speaker 3: was some foul play here? I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't. And I know that goes against TikTok
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  Speaker 1: and the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: I love a conspiracy theory. Let me just say that. But-
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  Speaker 1: In this case, I kind of feel like the conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: theories took a life of their own. And it's interesting
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  Speaker 1: to lead into. We all want to solve a mystery.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we like true.
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  Speaker 2: Crime, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we all want to be a detective.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. But in this case, I really don't think
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  Speaker 1: that any of it holds water. Because if Patrick Clancy
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  Speaker 1: really did kill his children and frame his wife, Kevin
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  Speaker 1: Reddington is such a strong attorney. I don't think there's
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  Speaker 1: any way he would be pleading not guilty by reason
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  Speaker 1: of insanity, essentially. He would say... hold the phone, somebody
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  Speaker 1: else did it, and here's all the reasons why. And
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  Speaker 1: he didn't say that. The Commonwealth didn't charge him. I just,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that the conspiracy theories hold water.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but, you know, TikTok will make you think that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God, TikTok will make you think a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so for now, is she in jail or is
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  Speaker 2: she at home?
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  Speaker 1: She's back at a hospital. And she also, I'll note,
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  Speaker 1: she's been on suicide watch since this happened in January 2023.
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  Speaker 2: There is a chance, though, that she will get off completely?
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: It's a possibility. It could happen. On the jury form,
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  Speaker 1: there was the option for not guilty, which means she's
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  Speaker 1: good to go. But that wasn't the plea. So it's very,
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  Speaker 1: very unlikely she would be– if she was found not
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  Speaker 1: guilty by reason of insanity, she would be remanded to
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  Speaker 1: a hospital or facility.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Sierra Gillespie, we will be in contact with you
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  Speaker 2: as soon as we know more.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for coming on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you need support or someone to talk to,
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  Speaker 2: Lifeline is available 24-7, 13, 11, 14. Now, you can
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  Speaker 2: get The Scandal with Sierra Gillespie on the free iHeart
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  Speaker 2: app and keep up with the reporting on that case
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  Speaker 2: on the Law and Crime Trials YouTube channel.