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Misuse of government power harms veterans and democracy · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  It's six Eastern.
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  It's three o'clock Pacific.
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  The U.S.
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  military has struck more than 50 ISIS targets in the past two hours.
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  Coast to coast and around the world from the America Out Loud Talk Radio Studios.
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  Following the president's order to quote, hit them hard after the killing of three Americans Saturday.
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  It's time for the truth be told with Booker Scott.
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  The guy is a hack when it comes down to it.
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  His cases in the past against Enron.
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  They were thrown out at the Supreme Court, and it wasn't even close.
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  It was a nine to nothing decision.
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  He is the left's hatchet man is what he's used for.
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  He was used against Donald Trump.
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  Trump says it was a witch hunt.
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  It was weaponization of government.
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  I agree with Donald Trump.
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  Jack Smith was responsible for the case down in South Florida that Judge Eileen Cannon eventually threw out, and the reason why she threw it out is she said that a special counsel has to be confirmed by the Senate.
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  He was never confirmed by the Senate.
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  He also was handling the case in Washington, D.C.
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  against Donald Trump, and it comes out on Monday, October 6th, that he's in a mess of trouble, probably.
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  And in fact, the BBC confirmed in August of 2025 that Jack Smith is being investigated for the things that he did.
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  But now we have Arctic frost, something else Jack Smith is involved with, and the Senators in Congress, they are not happy.
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  And neither are a lot of people on the MAGA side as influencers.
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  They're upset at what Jack Smith and our federal government did to spy on senators.
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  And I don't believe this is going to go away anytime soon.
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  Now the Senate Judiciary Committee, they published an FBI document, which they say showed the agency obtained phone data regarding the activities of ten Republican senators between January 4th and January 7th of 2021.
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  And that was the period that covered January 6th storming the Congress.
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  Now, according to the document, FBI agents working on its Arctic frost investigation received data showing when and to whom the 10 Republican senators made calls to during that time period, right there around January 6.
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  Also, they had a call length and their location when it took place.
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  So they were spying on U.S.
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  Senators.
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  That's what they were doing.
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  Just break that down simple for you.
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  The Arctic frost investigation formed the basis of special counsel's Jack Smith's own inquiry into the 2020 election interference, which led to a federal indictment of Trump uh in August of 2023.
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  Though charges were eventually dropped, as I mentioned, because he won the election.
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  The ten Republican senators reportedly targeted were Lindsay Graham, Bill Hagerty of Tennessee, Josh Hawley of Missouri, Dan Sullivan, Tommy Tuberville, who is now running for governor in the state of Alabama, Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, Cynthia Loomis, Marsha Blackburn, again of Tennessee, and Mike Kelly, who is actually a representative.
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  In response, uh a number of prominent MAGA accounts on social media have called for Smith to be arrested again.
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  And of course, everybody wants Jack Smith arrested.
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  He is being investigated.
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  The Senate Majority Leader John Thune said in a post on X, I have grave concerns about a new report showing that the Biden era FBI spied on Republican senators, and I fully support Senate committees getting to the bottom of this outrageous abuse of power and weaponization of government.
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  That is John Thoon, the Senate majority leader who said that.
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  Republican Senator Chuck Grassley wrote on X.
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  This document shows the Biden FBI spied on eight of my Republican Senate colleagues during its Arctic Frost investigation into election conspiracy.
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  Arctic frost later became Jack Smith's elector case against Trump.
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  Biden FBI weaponization worse than Watergate.
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  That's Senator Chuck Grassley.
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  Speaking on CNN, if you care is former federal prosecutor Jeffrey Tubin.
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  He said it's not even news.
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  Jack Smith cites these conversations in his report.
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  So this is not like he was trying to keep this secret.
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  And remember what Smith was investigating.
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  He was investigating Donald Trump's attempts to overturn the election through the use of fake electors in Congress.
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  So does it matter?
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  Absolutely it matters.
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  We have a special counsel who had never been confirmed by the Senate, who has a history of weaponizing his position to go after people through lawfare, and has been successful in doing it, but then it has been overturned at the Supreme Court level.
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  Let's go to the government shutdown.
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  We are into a week now, a full week has been completed since the government shut down.
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  And let's get to the bottom of this.
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  We keep hearing about this health care.
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  That is what this is about.
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  Is it really about the health care?
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  Or is it about the big beautiful bill and something that was taken out?
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  A clean CR is in the Senate.
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  It has been voted on five times.
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  It doesn't raise, it doesn't lower spending.
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  It just continues the current level of spending into the 2026 fiscal year, which we are now in, and the government is not funded.
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  The Democrats are saying it's about health.
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  The Republicans are saying they want to pay for illegal immigrants.
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  What does this really come down to?
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  I think I have it for you.
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  First, let's go to Senator Chuck Schumer and some of his comments last night on Monday night.
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  Here he is.
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  He voted for it as well, so it takes five more to get this passed and get the government reopened.
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  And there's some conversation that Donald Trump has thrown out that he is talking to Democrats behind Chuck Schumer's back.
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  You heard the question there from that reporter.
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  Is Trump speaking to the Democrats?
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  Schumer says, I haven't heard anything about it.
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  You also hear there that uh Chuck Schumer says this is about health care.
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  We have to take care of health care.
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  Well, if you remember back to the big beautiful bill at one point, there was huge discussion about work requirement.
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  Do you remember that?
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  Some Republicans were talking about it as well.
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  Some in the House of Representatives.
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  They were being very vocal about wanting to make sure that a work requirement was not required for Medicaid.
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  Here's something interesting.
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  I want to take you back to Dana Bash on CNN talking to Scott Bissent, the Treasury Secretary, about the big beautiful bill and about what was going on at that time.
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  Let's listen to this together.
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  I'm sure you've seen and heard a lot of the concern, including and especially from Republicans who are the most vocal uh in Congress about the fact that those work requirements are going to be very cumbersome uh to actually prove, and it will inevitably force the people who need that Medicaid coverage off the rolls.
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  Well, first of all, it's the Republicans are not the most vocal on this.
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  It is a group of Democrats who unfortunately seem to think that poor people are stupid.
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  I don't think poor people are stupid.
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  I think they have agency, and I think to have them register twice a year for these benefits that i i is not a burden.
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  But these people who want to infantilize the uh the poor and those who need these Medicaid benefits are alarmists.
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  So the Democrats did not want this included back in July when the Big Beautiful bill passed.
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  They did not want the work requirement included.
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  Work requirement has been around for 30 years.
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  If you want Medicaid, you have to work if you're abled body.
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  If you're disability, that's a different story.
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  But that's what was taken out of the Big Beautiful bill.
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  That's what this is about for the Democrats when they're talking about the ACA or Obamacare that they want to put back into the CR.
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  One and a half trillion dollars.
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  That's what this is about.
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  This is the roots of what is holding up the government right now.
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  But my impression of the Republican Party is that historically wanted to cut through the red tape and not create more red tape.
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  But I do want to move on because the uh we've also wanted to put in work requirements, which somehow that was very popular under Bill Clinton was popular under President Obama, and the Democratic Party blew out the deficit in 2020, and you know, they never want to bring it back.
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  But work requirements even pull well with the median Democratic voter, maybe not the French.
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  So back in COVID, they extended benefits without a work requirement.
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  They changed that law.
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  After years, there was work requirement.
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  But just like everything else in the government, once it starts, good luck ever getting it to stop.
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  And that's what this argument really is about when it comes down to it.
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  Is it about illegal immigrants getting uh health care?
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  I'm not so sure that that's really the sole purpose of this.
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  I believe the sole purpose of this is removing that work requirement that the Republicans put in in the big beautiful bill.
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  I believe that's what it's about.
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  We're gonna have to wait and see if Donald Trump really is having a conversation with five or six or seven Democrat senators to reopen the governor that was behind Chuck Schumer's back.
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  You could tell when he answered that question that he probably didn't know a whole lot about that.
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  We'll have to wait and see.
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  Hopefully, the government gets open.
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  The military needs to get paid here in a couple of weeks.
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  That's when their next check will be.
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  So there's time, there's runway between now and then.
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  We pray for rain.
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  Thank you when it's falling because it brings a grain in a little bit of money.
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  We put it back in the plate, I guess.
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  Can you believe what we went through when Joe Biden was present with all the weaponization of government?
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  It's hard to really imagine that this country could ever get to that point.
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  But we did.
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  We most certainly did.
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  And then when Pam Bondy says the things that she did on Katie Miller's podcast where she says we're going to target someone for their speech if they have hate speech.
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  That bothers me.
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  Even though Pam Bondy is the attorney general for Donald Trump, it still bothers me because we should not weaponize government in any way.
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  At this point in this program tonight, we're going to welcome someone that I believe has uh been one that has been targeted.
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  And he's going to tell his story.
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  He's a veteran.
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  He served our country.
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  He was injured.
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  He was on disability and uh completely uh without him knowing he was being investigated.
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  He was eventually prosecuted, convicted, and served six months in prison.
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  It's an incredible story.
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  But we believe that he was targeted, and we believe that it was government weaponization.
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  And that's what we want to talk about.
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  His name is Jeremy Harrell.
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  He is the CEO, the founder of a group called the Veterans Club.
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  And Jeremy, welcome to the program.
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  So good to have you.
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  Thank you, sir.
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  Glad to be here.
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  I appreciate the opportunity.
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  Well, let's just tell your story.
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  First of all, what branch of the service were you in and where did you serve?
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  I'm assuming that you were overseas, but tell a little bit about your background.
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  Yeah, so um I I was in the United States Army.
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  Um, and I served uh for eight years in the United States Army, and um I went to uh to Iraq during the initial invasion, 2003 to 2004, spent 15 months there, um, come back, continue to serve and uh and really loved it until I couldn't do it anymore.
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  Um, and then uh I still had that desire to serve even beyond the uniform.
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  And um, and and that's about the same time that I recognized that I had some some some issues that I needed to deal with that were related to service.
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  And I would go to these programs uh with a desire to heal and get better.
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  And as I was visiting these programs across the country with other veterans, I kept hearing that uh they didn't necessarily miss the job per se, but but what they did miss was the camaraderie that they had with each other.
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  And uh and I thought, well, there's no reason that we can't have that.
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  Um, even though we're not in uniform anymore.
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  So I decided uh with my wife to start a um what was then a Facebook group called Veterans Club Incorporated, where we could all get together and share that same camaraderie and support one another.
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  Yeah, I've heard that before that so many people that were in the service, they miss that more than any part of it.
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  And that's in a lot of ways the reason for homelessness, even.
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  Um, I've had many conversations with people that know about it, and they say those people that are living under the bridges, they feel more secure there because they have that camaraderie that you were just talking about.
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  They look look over each other, they take care of each other just like they did in the service because when they got out of the service, they really didn't have anything.
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  So your veterans club is a Facebook page that you start, you and your wife do to try to help people that uh are suffering from the same types of things that you were.
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  And uh one of those things, I guess for you was uh PTSD.
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  Is that correct?
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  Yes, yes.
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  Uh I have what's called complex PTSD or CPTSD, which means that I have combat from both my military service or sorry, PTSD from both my military service and combat and also uh from childhood uh as well.
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  And so uh it's it's PTSD is PTSD.
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  This is a little complex because there's multiple uh trauma uh involved in that, but um but yeah, when we started this Facebook group, you know, I wanted to really uh here's what I know is when you think about how many people serve the country.
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  Um you're you're you're looking at about seven percent of America.
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  And so, you know, I always thought that we were at a disadvantage because as soon as we walked out of our door every day, 93% of the people just don't really understand, right?
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  And I know the majority of them want to understand it.
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  I'm so thankful that they do, and I hope they keep asking questions, and I hope that veterans keep answering them uh politely and and correctly.
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  But uh but it just it I just wanted to connect with these other vets to say, hey, you know, I I see you.
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  I hear you, I understand.
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  I know this seems odd.
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  I know that you probably can't talk to the talk about this with everybody because they haven't seen what you've seen and experienced what you experienced, but but we have.
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  And I just wanted to create a community within a community.
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  And in doing so, Booker, it was very therapeutic for me because uh, you know, I've been on 20 medications uh for PTSD symptoms.
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  And there was no long term success with those medicine medicines.
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  And in fact, they caused other issues.
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  And so when I started helping.
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  People and started setting down and having conversations with other veterans.
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  That was the greatest medicine that I've ever I've ever taken, so to speak.
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  And uh, and it's like anything else when you think that you found a cure or a way to uh to manage symptoms because you're out, you know, focusing on other people, um, you want to keep doing it, right?
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  Because it it's helpful.
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  And so that's exactly how this kind of originated.
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  And you mentioned that you were in the uh you mentioned you were overseas 2003, 2004.
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  You mentioned you were in the service for eight years.
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  What year did you get out of the service, and then what year did you start the Veterans Club?
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  So I got out of the military in 2008.
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  February 1st, 2008, uh is when I got out, and uh I started Veterans Club unofficially, started doing things as a social group around 2017, and then officially become a nonprofit in 2019.
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  Well, let's pick up the story there, because that's where the story gets good.
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  And I think to get to that part of the story, we also need to talk about the fact that you were on disability at the time.
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  Uh the veteran veterans affairs had made the determination, they had made the determination that you were fully disabled and could not work.
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  I think you had bounced around some different jobs, but they finally put you on disability, and that's how you survived along with your wife, who is a professional and makes a living.
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  But you start this nonprofit organization in about 2019, you're on full disability and take off from there.
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  Yeah, so you know, what I what I was looking for is an opportunity to kind of give back when I could when I felt up to it.
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  And see, the thing with with mental health is you know, it it's number one, it's not an intellectual disability.
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  You can be very much intelligent and be disabled at the same time, but but you have days, and sometimes there's consistent days where you you really can't perform or operate, and then there's other days where you where you feel like you can.
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  And so what I would do is try to take advantage of the days that I could.
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  And uh, and so you know, as we're as we're growing this organization, and it grew very fast.
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  Um, I realized that it was getting to a point now where it was really no longer kind of a social group or or grassroots, it was becoming one of the fastest growing nonprofits in the United States.
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  Uh, that I wasn't going to be able due to my limitations to to run this organization and keep it going.
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  And then we were doing so many good things, I didn't want it to end.
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  And so, you know, we hired people to come in to help a director of operations, we hired a chief of staff, we hired um an operating officer.
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  Uh, we we have uh a database full of volunteers, and the whole purpose behind that was because I couldn't do it um the way that I would like to do it because you couldn't do it physically, you couldn't do it mentally full time.
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  Right.
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  There and and and essentially I was kind of the the face of the organization, the story, um, and and kind of the connector, but uh, but as far as the day-to-day, it wasn't it wasn't me doing the admin task and things like that.
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  It was it was our director of operations and and and stuff like that.
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  So uh that's what happened.
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  So, you know, we we hired them, uh they got acclimated.
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  We started, we we, you know, we created seven nationally recognized programs, our our biggest program, equine therapy for veterans, first responders and their families.
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  Um, but also we're a faith-based organization as well.
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  So we look at trauma from a biblical perspective, right?
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  Not just what science says, but also what the Bible says about these things, which oftentimes makes you a target for uh some who don't want to hear that or some who think that they could cut into their profit, right?
• 23:45
  Because we were actually helping veterans heal to where they didn't have to go through the VA doors every single day because they were actually figuring out who the great physician was, and they were actually leaning more on Christ.
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  And I'm not apologizing for that, and I I regret none of that, but the reality though, at the end of the day, it it hurts someone somewhere because you know what I was doing for free, people were making millions and millions of dollars doing it.
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  And I'm gonna be clear, you know, I didn't take anything from the organization, not mileage.
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  I never paid myself anything.
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  Um this was strictly voluntary.
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  Um, and and you know, it was just it was just a a passion project.
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  It was something uh that I got great benefit in, and and it really lent its way to my my own healing in certain ways.
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  It it allowed me to be a good father, it allowed me to be a good husband, it allowed me to be a functioning asset in society, and and the other thing is I didn't I didn't want to just sit on the couch all day with empty pill bottles and just get a check from the government.
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  I wanted a to to be an asset.
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  You wanted to have a purpose.
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  Yeah, you want to have a purpose, yeah.
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  That makes sense.
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  And you're going along, everything's going great.
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  Again, you started from a Facebook group, you didn't have any aspirations or expectations of where this was going to go.
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  And as you said, it really started growing in 2019, 2020.
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  You have to hire some people because you can't do it yourself.
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  And then what happens?
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  You get up to 2021, and we have the withdrawal from Afghanistan that was a complete debacle that ended in the death of 13 U.S.
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  soldiers.
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  You remember that?
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  That was Abbey Gate, by the way.
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  So what happens then at about 2021?
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  Well, so around that time period, um, we we really started as an organization, and then and me as an individual started kind of making a a name for ourselves and and uh as a truth teller, uh, as a change maker.
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  And so, you know, my job um as an advocate was to, you know, honor our brothers and sisters in arms.
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  And and when I saw what happened in Afghanistan, I was very vocal about it.
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  I did a lot of media about how it was it was the the biggest botched military operation in in military history.
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  You weren't alone, and uh you were not alone there.
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  Right, right.
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  I mean, you know, it was it was it was impacting veterans all the way back to Vietnam because something similar happened in Saigon in 1979 and it triggered them.
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  75.
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  And it was 1975.
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  Yeah.
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  75.
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  Sorry, yeah.
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  That's right.
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  I remember I'm old enough to remember that.
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  It made an impression on me as a kid.
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  That's one reason why I remember it.
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  Yeah, so you know, so I was very vocal about that.
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  Um, because we were dealing, I was dealing as an organization with the fallout uh with folks who have served in in both of those conflicts, uh Vietnam and you know, the 20-year war in Afghanistan, and we were having to have you know more support groups, we're having to have more sessions for requirement therapy.
• 26:41
  We we had a uh an influx of call-ins of people who were suicidal because of they felt like they spent 20 years there fighting a war that was in the country was turned right back over to the Taliban in less than 24 hours.
• 26:53
  Sure was, yep.
• 26:54
  So I I talked about that, and I'm sure that that during that time our our president was was Biden, and and uh I'm sure that that didn't sit well with the people who were uh you know loyalists to him, and uh and and then there's some things within the VA that at the time that leadership that I that I felt like they were doing uh their veterans were underserved and and uh that I felt like nonprofits had to pick up all the pieces and we had to carry the weight of all of society's issues when it comes with you know, I was just very outspoken that way.
• 27:22
  And I was talking to legislators, I was advocating uh all the way up the chain to Washington, D.C.
• 27:27
  And and uh and there were some people who didn't like it.
• 27:30
  Some people don't like when the truth is is told and exposed.
• 27:34
  And uh and and so when when you finally find somebody who who's willing to do that, Booker, but but without any incentive.
• 27:42
  I mean, because when I talked to people that I know in politics, they they said, Well, Jeremy, we're not really surprised because here's why.
• 27:49
  You don't carry water for anybody, yeah.
• 27:51
  You weren't trying to be a millionaire, you were doing this out of the kindness of your heart, and it was pure, and those things are threatening oftentimes to the establishment.
• 28:00
  So now going through all that, and then you know, I one of a a lot of awards uh personally in 21 and 22, and then all of a sudden uh in October of 23, um, I had just actually come back from a a treatment facility because I I stay you know up to date with with I still have to be in treatment probably for the remainder of my life for these these injuries.
• 28:22
  And so um before you go before you go too far, let me let me back up a little bit because from 2019 to 2023, you had income for your foundation for the 501 C3.
• 28:36
  I think it's important to understand that because you are on disability, you get that from the VA, and now you have income.
• 28:44
  But as you mentioned earlier already in the segment, you didn't take a dime, you didn't even take gas money for yourself, and you also weren't really doing the work.
• 28:54
  You had hired someone to be the director, you had uh a couple of people hired for staff, you had a board of directors, you also had an advisory board.
• 29:03
  So you had all of this going on, so the money that came in quickly went out over four years.
• 29:10
  I think the number was 400,000 that you had.
• 29:13
  So now let's pick up the story in 2023.
• 29:18
  Yes, and and just one more point to that is our intention as an organization was to not to have a lot of money sitting around because that's money that we could use uh to help our veterans in need, right?
• 29:29
  So it was a point for us to to spend that.
• 29:31
  But yes, yeah, and I should clean I I should clean myself up here, Jeremy, too, because I made it sound like all the money that you got you spent on uh your staff, and that's not the case at all.
• 29:42
  You spent it on veterans also, but I wanted to point out that you were not necessarily doing the work, you were the face of Veterans Club, and you had hired people to actually do the work because you physically and mentally just couldn't do 40, 50, 60 hours a week.
• 29:59
  Yes, and so
• 30:00
  And so, you know, and I'll get to a little more or the discretionary part of that a little bit later, but but you're right.
• 30:06
  I will I was I was kind of building partnerships.
• 30:09
  I was making connections.
• 30:10
  We were I was actually doing staff retreats for the VA's mental health program managers at our facility, believe it or not.
• 30:17
  It's it's weird how the complaint uh benefited from our services and and uh uh but yeah, so in 2023, I just come back from a treatment, a personal uh treatment program, and uh had just got back in and I was sitting down with the director of operations, and he was going to brief me on what had occurred because I'd been gone for two weeks.
• 30:36
  And uh then there was a knock at the door.
• 30:39
  Uh he goes and opens the door to our headquarters, and uh it's two gentlemen, uh plain clothes, uh, walk in and just ask, you know, to talk to me.
• 30:49
  Um and that happens all the time.
• 30:50
  We have an open door policy, right?
• 30:52
  And so he, you know, they come in and and uh they look like a couple veterans and they just introduce themselves by name and said, Hey, you know, we'd love to have a conversation with you.
• 31:02
  And I said, sure, let's go upstairs.
• 31:03
  Where it's more private in the office.
• 31:05
  And um, we went upstairs and you know, they started talking to me and asking me unusual questions, and very quickly I recognized that this wasn't a conversation, that this was an interrogation, and so then I asked them to uh to disclose who they were, because at this point, they they didn't let me know who they were.
• 31:25
  Yeah, they didn't identify themselves as federal agents for the VA office of inspector general.
• 31:30
  What kind of questions were they asking you that tipped you off?
• 31:34
  Yeah, so they were asking me, you know, what what my role was there?
• 31:38
  Uh they were asking me mainly what they were focusing on was how how are you able to do this?
• 31:45
  Um as if someone with my disability should not be able to do anything, right?
• 31:50
  And so I said, Well, there's a lot to that.
• 31:54
  We have a we have a board of directors who are very professional people who help this thing run.
• 31:59
  I don't own a nonprofit, no one does.
• 32:02
  I said, but other than I said, I have an advisory board to make sure that we keep between the rails and and we're doing everything the way we should.
• 32:09
  Uh and then I said, of course, we have you know close to 600 volunteers um that that help from time to time.
• 32:16
  I said, uh, and then you know, there's me who comes in and does things as I can't, right?
• 32:22
  So uh, but ultimately, uh, I said, you know, God's at the center of this organization, and uh he he really decides whether it's successful or not, and and luckily he he's been showing favor, right?
• 32:34
  So that's kind of how answer that, you know, and yeah, and he didn't really like that answer, you know.
• 32:39
  And he said, Well, you're you're permanently and totally disabled, and you're you're a successful nonprofit founder.
• 32:47
  And I said, Well, okay, yeah.
• 32:49
  Um, but I don't have it, I'm not disabled because I have an intellectual disability.
• 32:54
  Right.
• 32:55
  I'm disabled because I have an anxiety disorder, and I have some other physical things, but they were primarily speaking on the on the the you know anxiety, the PTSD.
• 33:04
  So the premise is because you're on disability, you are getting a check every month that you should not be doing anything but sitting at home and watching Lucy or whatever program you want to watch.
• 33:17
  The price is right, I guess.
• 33:19
  That is what they expect you to do when you're getting a government check.
• 33:23
  You cannot start a 501 C3 and you can't hire people and you can't bring in money or otherwise you're gonna get a visit from the federal government.
• 33:32
  And that's some of the weaponization that we're talking about.
• 33:34
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• 37:34
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• 37:38
  You were upstairs in an office.
• 37:39
  You're talking to the guys from the VA.
• 37:41
  They're asking you bad questions, and then what happens?
• 37:45
  Yeah, and so I I very quickly realized that uh that they're there uh because of me.
• 37:50
  And um, and and they finally show me um their credentials.
• 37:54
  And again, they were Department of Veteran Affairs Office of Inspector General agents.
• 37:59
  And uh at that point, uh, you know, I I don't I've never been in trouble in my life other than a speed and ticket in 2008, but I did know enough from watching, you know, uh enough on on on TV, right, to know that I I should probably, you know, seek legal counsel.
• 38:13
  And so I told them at that moment that that's what I was gonna do.
• 38:16
  And and uh and the agent looks at me and he says, I've spent a year and a half following you.
• 38:22
  And when you think about waste fraud and abuse, spent a year and a half following me, and he says, I just want to tell you that you've done some amazing things for veterans.
• 38:32
  And he hands me a court summons, and then he tells me that I'm indicted, federally indicted for theft of government funds, and that I had to be on in court on this day, which was only about uh nine or ten days after that.
• 38:45
  Um and so they walk out, I go downstairs, and I'm I'm mortified.
• 38:51
  Like I just don't even really know what it all means to be honest.
• 38:54
  Yeah, who all I knew about being indicted was that our our president Donald Trump was indicted a lot.
• 39:00
  That's right.
• 39:01
  I knew it was legal, but I I didn't know exactly, you know.
• 39:04
  So I You knew it wasn't a good thing, didn't you?
• 39:06
  Oh yeah, I knew very quickly that that it wasn't anything that you want to be a part of.
• 39:10
  And so I so the the first thing I did is I went over to uh one of our advisors' office.
• 39:15
  He is uh he is an attorney, he's not a criminal deterrent attorney, but he's an attorney, and and I had him look at the you know the the paper, and he had a tear in his eye.
• 39:24
  And I'm like, Well, what's going on?
• 39:26
  He said, he said, Jeremy, this is serious.
• 39:29
  And he said, I just don't understand how they could do this or why they would do this.
• 39:34
  And I said, Well, I don't know either.
• 39:36
  What when when in America did it become a crime to volunteer to help people with suicide prevention and helping them get connected and getting the benefits that when did that start being illegal, right?
• 39:47
  I just couldn't believe it.
• 39:48
  Right.
• 39:49
  And uh, and you know the worst thing, Booker that I've ever read to date in my life was on that forum, it said the United States of America versus Jeremy Harrell.
• 40:00
  And I thought, how in the world does a man who serve honorably in peacetime and in combat, how in the world am I now considered an enemy of the country that I that the whole reason I'm in this mess, the whole reason I've ever had to get disability and the whole it was because of my service.
• 40:19
  Yeah.
• 40:20
  How in the world?
• 40:20
  So it's just still very difficult for me to process, but that's that's what is settled on the letter.
• 40:25
  And so you give eight years of your life and uh uh to actually give your life if you have to, going overseas and fighting in battles, and then you come back here and uh you know, you start an incredible uh veterans club to help other people that had gone through the same thing that you have, and the next thing you know, you get a knock on the door, you get indicted, and then you go to trial, and let's talk a little bit about what they accused you of and what you eventually got convicted of, and you actually served six months in prison.
• 40:56
  Let's talk about what they say you did.
• 40:59
  Yeah, so what they say I did is is you know, they tried to say that the day that I signed my initials on a docusign with other board members of the veterans club Incorporated, that that was the day where I become um not permanent, totally disabled, and I become employable because I signed my initials on the docusign, right?
• 41:23
  So now they're saying that uh that starting in 2019, right when I started the organization.
• 41:30
  Funny, funny how that works, that all of a sudden I I was doing something wrong, right?
• 41:35
  And that they think that because I was able to help veterans, um, and and and and they they they were explaining it as if I did all this by myself, first of all, but but they were trying to explain to the jury like if he can do that, if he can he they kept saying highly successful founder and CEO, um, that CEOs make a couple hundred thousand dollars a year.
• 41:58
  He could have easily made, you know, and they're talking to a jury that you know, without without sounding judgmental, we'll we'll probably never see those numbers.
• 42:07
  Right.
• 42:07
  I mean, we're we're in the eastern district of Kentucky.
• 42:10
  The economy's not good there.
• 42:12
  And so I can they were trying to manipulate the jury to go, well, how how's this guy?
• 42:17
  You know, I have to go to work for 15 bucks an hour and break my back every day, and then here's this guy.
• 42:22
  You know what I mean?
• 42:23
  That's kind of the the manipulation tactic that they were using.
• 42:27
  So the prosecution was saying, okay, this guy has been on disability the whole time.
• 42:31
  He is also the CEO of this uh uh nonprofit that you know is bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars, and meanwhile, you're in the jury and you're making $15 an hour.
• 42:43
  And so he's really, I guess the way they do it is they say he's taking advantage of your tax money because he's still taking disability.
• 42:51
  I want to point out that uh well, you tell everybody who said that you should get permanent disability.
• 42:58
  Was that you?
• 42:58
  Did you go looking for it?
• 43:00
  Tell us how that happened.
• 43:01
  Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.
• 43:02
  Um, yeah, so the way the VA disability process works, which is still a great mystery to most veterans in this country, let alone a juror, a j a jury in five days.
• 43:12
  But uh, yeah, so the VA, they they put you through a series of exams.
• 43:16
  And at the end of the, those they're called compensation and pension exams, and it's where they talk directly about the disability, and then at the end, they make a recommendation, they send it to the Department of Veteran Affairs regional office, where there are raiders um who actually look at the report from the doctors and they compare it to some chart that's kind of a mystery on what the chart is, and then they determine your level of disability.
• 43:41
  So I never said I mean it wasn't a choice that I made, right?
• 43:45
  So when they looked at the evidence and they looked at all the notes of me in treatment, they come to the conclusion that I was unemployable, that I was permanent, totally disabled, that um that I would never have any future exams, and that I was to and try to enjoy my life the best I could is basically how that went.
• 44:04
  Yeah.
• 44:05
  But that wasn't true because apparently total and permanent doesn't exist, and apparently when they tell you there's no future exams, that only applies to some people, not anybody who's exposing the truth, not anybody who's actually making a difference and helping veterans get better, um, and and is a threat to the establishment that when it becomes that, then there is future exams and all kinds of other what I call harassment um and targeting and weaponization.
• 44:32
  And so, yeah, so it's the VA who determines your your rate of disability.
• 44:36
  Yeah, you weren't doctor shopping.
• 44:38
  That's the point I'm trying to make.
• 44:39
  They determined that you were disabled, permanent disabled, and you could not work.
• 44:45
  And you start this and you're just trying to help other people.
• 44:48
  I'm just trying to help.
• 44:49
  You didn't take any money from them, they didn't pay even your gas money, and then you have a knock on your door, you end up being convicted, the jury convicts you, and you're sentenced to six months.
• 45:00
  You also have to pay restitution because in a federal case, you have to pay restitution total.
• 45:06
  How much do you have to pay?
• 45:07
  Yeah, so it's it's it's it's getting up there around $300,000 at this point, um, which is is a is a is an astronomical amount of money for for me and my family, but really not a lot of money when you think of the government.
• 45:22
  Um, but not only did I what did I get sentenced to six months in prison, I also got sentenced to six months home confinement after prison, um, which is kind of currently what I'm on now.
• 45:32
  Of course, I have uh different levels of freedom to to do different things, but it's still very much confinement.
• 45:39
  Um and then yeah, I have the restitution pay the restitution piece, right?
• 45:44
  Which um that that's the money that the VA and the the federal court says that they think that I owe the government.
• 45:49
  Um when is that supposed to start?
• 45:51
  Let's start there, because this is this is an interesting part of the story here.
• 45:56
  Yeah, so the the judge, when he makes the judgment, he sets and defers my restitution out until March 1 of 2028 at the amount of 100 a month.
• 46:08
  Okay, so in 2028, March 1st, 2028, you have to make your first payment of 100.
• 46:17
  And every month after that, you're gonna be paying 100 on your way to paying off 300,000.
• 46:22
  That is what the judge ordered when you were sentenced.
• 46:26
  Is that correct?
• 46:27
  Yes, sir.
• 46:28
  That's that's absolutely correct.
• 46:30
  But that is not what happened.
• 46:31
  Okay, tell us what happened.
• 46:33
  So while I'm in federal prison, I get a phone call from my wife who says um you need to call the attorney.
• 46:41
  I call the attorney, the attorney tells me that the judge has ordered that I pay um $52,000 within three days.
• 46:51
  Now keep in mind, I'm confined in in a federal prison in Kentucky.
• 46:55
  I have no access to anything, barely the phone, right?
• 46:59
  And so I say, Well, how am I supposed to do that from prison?
• 47:03
  Right.
• 47:03
  Well, what they knew about me, Booker, is that by you know, according to my history, in reality, I've been a real follower.
• 47:12
  And so what they knew that I would do, because I I am compliant, is that I would get I would ask my wife to figure out how to get the money to get to them in three days.
• 47:24
  Um, but but the problem with that is I wasn't supposed to pay any of that money, but not only that, now they're bringing my wife who is not a co-defendant who has no skin in the game.
• 47:35
  Now they're forcing her to do things that I believe is unconstitutional, but but not even that.
• 47:41
  The the money that they wanted to give uh come out of an account that is a joint account that her salary goes into.
• 47:49
  They didn't even allow us to divide assets or allow us to uh separate, yeah.
• 47:56
  Exactly.
• 47:57
  They they simply didn't care.
• 47:59
  They've been very venomous about how they've approached us with me.
• 48:03
  You you would think that that I have done some horrific crime somewhere, and in reality, you know, we help people stay alive.
• 48:10
  Right.
• 48:10
  Uh Jeremy, why did that judge make that determination to come after for 52,000 right then?
• 48:16
  Well, that's that's still a question that we're trying to we're trying to figure out.
• 48:20
  You know, somehow the prosecutors have been able to use a loophole in law um to try to manipulate the statues in order to be able to take the money.
• 48:31
  And and and so that that, you know, and they knew that I'd be in prison.
• 48:36
  I couldn't really fight it the way that I traditionally fight things and advocate.
• 48:40
  Um, and they just really took advantage of us in a vulnerable space.
• 48:44
  But but since January of this year, we have given them 83,000.
• 48:50
  Now keep in mind we're we're not supposed to pay anything until you know March.
• 48:54
  March 128th 2028.
• 48:56
  Yeah.
• 48:57
  So let's talk about uh your future.
• 48:59
  Let's talk about a pardon from President Donald Trump.
• 49:02
  He is one that was also weaponized and targeted by uh, you know, Fannie Willis by Letitia James in New York, Jack Smith in Washington, D.C.
• 49:14
  in South Florida.
• 49:15
  He felt what the Biden Department of Justice could do.
• 49:19
  And I would think he would be sympathetic to your story because you have sort of gone through the same thing.
• 49:26
  Where are you right now with that?
• 49:28
  I know that uh attorney Ed Martin, who is part of the Department of Justice appointed by Donald Trump, he has been involved in some of this case.
• 49:37
  Let's talk about that.
• 49:38
  Yes.
• 49:39
  So you know, very quickly, we made the determination speaking with a lot of prominent attorneys in the United States about this case that that they number one, there's not another case like it.
• 49:52
  Um I think that's important to point out uh the way the details are in this case.
• 49:56
  This is usually an administrative action.
• 49:58
  If the VA thinks you're getting
• 50:00
  Better.
• 50:00
  Well, then they just do it administratively.
• 50:02
  It's it's not criminal proceedings.
• 50:04
  But um, so I have attorneys who have uh who have you know experience with with pardons and clemency, um, who have uh presented my case uh before Ed Martin in Washington DC, and it was very clear after that meeting that that it was considered um weaponization at its finest.
• 50:25
  Yeah.
• 50:25
  And in fact, this was this this case is an ideal case for a pardon.
• 50:32
  Um, and that's that's not just my opinion as as a person involved here.
• 50:36
  This is the opinion of many lawyers.
• 50:39
  Um, some who have been appointed uh with has worked with Trump in cases that he's been dealing with in in New York and and have reviewed this, who have said that if there's any case, if there's any case that should be pardoned, this one's one.
• 50:53
  And um, and so you know, the case has been presented to to Mr.
• 50:57
  Martin.
• 50:57
  It's been presented to the pardon czar who is Alice Marie Johnson.
• 51:01
  Um, and and it has been sent uh to White House counsel.
• 51:05
  We have also had assistance from uh from Senator Rand Paul's office.
• 51:10
  Um we have done a lot in Kentucky together.
• 51:13
  He's been uh uh uh an avid supporter of our programs and has been present at a lot of our events.
• 51:18
  Um he also understands exactly what I do and why I do it.
• 51:22
  And uh, and so at this point, it's it's a waiting game.
• 51:26
  Um we're hoping that whenever the president decides to do more pardons, that my name will be at the top of that list.
• 51:32
  Um did Ed Martin send a letter to the U.S.
• 51:37
  attorney in Kentucky and ask him why he prosecuted you like he did.
• 51:42
  So what happened, according to my attorneys is that once they presented the case, Ed said that he wanted a statement from he actually tasked them to get a statement from um the the Eastern District of Kentucky on why they charged and what they thought about me potentially getting clemency because apparently there's a formal rule where they get their their say right in how it goes.
• 52:09
  Yeah.
• 52:10
  And uh, and so my attorneys sent an email to those prosecutors in the Eastern District of Kentucky, uh, and they were not happy to receive notice that uh that my case had been presented in front of Mr.
• 52:23
  Martin, and that he was requesting that they send him additional documents about the case, um, an explanation about the case.
• 52:32
  And so they sent that form to directly to the Office of Parton Attorney.
• 52:37
  And so from my understanding, they did receive that at the Office of Parton Attorney, and that that part is considered closed.
• 52:43
  But my lawyers did call and say that in the many, many years they've been doing this, that they have haven't seen prosecutors be so angry, and it seems so personal.
• 52:54
  Uh as well.
• 52:55
  This was back in June, correct?
• 52:56
  When Ed Martin sent uh that letter to the people in Kentucky, the prosecutors in the U.S.
• 53:03
  attorney's office, is that correct?
• 53:05
  Yes.
• 53:05
  So that was June.
• 53:07
  And then did you have a garnishment in your bank account as a result of that?
• 53:14
  So that so that's another one of those million dollar questions, right?
• 53:18
  So not only um did that occur, but everything was very quiet once I was released from prison.
• 53:24
  Uh a key part of this story is that in reality I was detained nine days longer than I was supposed to.
• 53:32
  And so Savannah Chrisley, who you may know uh from her family just being pardoned, and the director of the BOP, Billy Marshall, um, they caught wind of that and and and and advocated for my release immediately.
• 53:46
  And uh actually got a call from um the Bureau of Prisons Director Billy Marshall personally about the fact that they they they kept me too long, right?
• 53:56
  And so I didn't hear anything from prosecutors until I got notice that there's a law firm in DC called Paul Weiss.
• 54:06
  Um, and it's very familiar.
• 54:08
  It's been in the news recently where uh they have promised the Trump administration 40 million dollars in pro bono attorney work for causes that the administration supports um because of a little feud they had.
• 54:21
  Um I'm not too familiar with it, but I I know that uh that that they they're they kind of owe this work to the Trump administration.
• 54:28
  They got on the case for an appeal for uh the money, the restitution.
• 54:34
  And so when they got notice that this law firm, it's a very powerful law firm, um, was on the case, they started the collection uh actions immediately.
• 54:44
  And it almost appears as if they just want to try to get what they can while they can.
• 54:48
  Yeah.
• 54:49
  I think there's a hell there's a fear there that that this that I may in fact receive a pardon and I may in fact receive relief on these garnishments and these um these financial uh penalties.
• 55:00
  And so, you know, they just kind of they're throwing things at the wall to see what sticks.
• 55:05
  Well, Jeremy, it's a hell of a story, I tell you.
• 55:09
  I want to I want to thank Robin too.
• 55:11
  She's part of the America Out Loud team, and she sent me your information and said, This is really a sad story.
• 55:17
  It made me cry.
• 55:18
  Maybe you want to look into it.
• 55:19
  I'm glad I did.
• 55:20
  I I hope things start going in the right direction for you now.
• 55:24
  I know it's been a tough couple of years, but you've made it through it.
• 55:28
  So I know you're still working on yourself, and God bless you for that.
• 55:31
  And thank you so much for your service as well.
• 55:34
  And thank you for coming on the show and telling us your story here tonight.
• 55:38
  It's my pleasure.
• 55:39
  Thanks for having me.
• 55:39
  And uh, and I pray that this doesn't happen to anyone else.
• 55:42
  But the reality is I've learned that the government can pretty much do what they want, and that's a very scary thing as an American.
• 55:48
  Amen, brother.
• 55:49
  Is there anything else we can do for you?
• 55:51
  Uh, do you have a website or anything?
• 55:52
  Uh, what about the veterans club?
• 55:54
  Do you want to uh put a plug in for the veterans club while you're here?
• 55:57
  I know we've talked about it, but is there a website?
• 56:00
  Yes, yes, I would love that.
• 56:01
  Uh for anybody interested in in in being a part and getting involved, whether it's financially or volunteering, uh, we always need help.
• 56:09
  Uh most nonprofits do.
• 56:10
  Our website is veteransclub Inc.
• 56:14
  dot org.
• 56:15
  So it's veteransclub INC.org.
• 56:18
  And you can learn more about our mission and what we do.
• 56:21
  And of course, you can follow us on social media as well.
• 56:24
  Um, we'd love for you to be a part.
• 56:26
  You don't have to be a veteran to serve with us.
• 56:28
  Um we just ask that you love them.
• 56:30
  And then uh and then we'd appreciate any kind of help that you'd like to give.
• 56:34
  But uh but very thankful for the opportunity to share this story.
• 56:36
  And uh the reality is if they do this to me successfully, they'll do it to other veterans.
• 56:41
  And and then who's gonna do the heavy lifting out there in the nonprofit realm.
• 56:44
  So that's right.
• 56:45
  It's a scary thing.
• 56:46
  His name is Jeremy Harrell.
• 56:48
  Go to that website, support them, support their work.
• 56:51
  Jeremy, thank you so much.
• 56:52
  Hang in there.
• 56:53
  Good luck to you.
• 56:54
  Thank you, sir.
• 56:55
  I appreciate it.
• 56:56
  And don't forget that you were told.
• 56:59
  I'm Booker Scott, and thank you so much for listening to The Truth Be Told on America Out Loud Tonight.
• 57:04
  Coming up next, it is Unleashed the Political News Hour.
• 57:07
  And don't forget, you were told two thousand years ago that you are the salt of the earth.
• 57:11
  And salt without flavor, it has no value.
• 57:13
  So whatever you do, keep being salty.
• 57:16
  Have a great night.
• 57:18
  There is only one truth.
• 57:20
  You've been listening to The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott on America Out Loud.