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'Involuntary Celibate,' 22, Blames Mass Shooting on Lack of Sex · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: How does a twenty two year old young man, with
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Speaker 1: his whole life ahead of him, a loving family supporting
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Speaker 1: him everything, how does he turn into a mass shooter?
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Speaker 1: And how does the word in cell involuntary celibate factor
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Speaker 1: into this scenario? An in cell a mail that feels
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Speaker 1: so rejected and so mistreated by women he wants to
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Speaker 1: kill them. We are talking about twenty two year old
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Speaker 1: Jake Davidson. Take a listen to our friend Paul brand
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Speaker 1: A yellow tint tells you why, but not yet why
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Speaker 1: his victims were chosen him. Police search for answers which
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Speaker 1: may never truly be found. Can anything explain the motives
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Speaker 1: of a man who mostly let luck decide which lives
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Speaker 1: he took and which lives he traumatized? A couple of
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Speaker 1: the gun shots went off, and I ran opposite a
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Speaker 1: pub and the owner came out and he shouted at me,
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Speaker 1: he just went getting here, getting in out, And so
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Speaker 1: I forward rolled into the pub and I literally hung
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Speaker 1: underneath one of the pool tables, hung on for dear life,
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Speaker 1: and I froze who locked the door and he closed
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Speaker 1: the windows, and my mum sent me a message saying, hide,
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Speaker 1: stay safe, stayed down. Lock yourself away outside, Twenty two
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Speaker 1: year old Jake Davison was targeting others seemingly at random,
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Speaker 1: his weapon believed to be a pump action shotgun. You're
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Speaker 1: hearing Peggy Harday, a survivor of this mass shooting, joining
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Speaker 1: me an all star panel, but first to Dave Matt,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter with Crime Online and also host of a
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Speaker 1: hit series, The Mark and Mac Show at Life Radio FM.
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Speaker 1: It's also on podcast, The Mark and Mac Show. Dave,
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Speaker 1: You and I covered the Pulse shooting together in Florida,
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Speaker 1: and just yesterday, Dave Mac, I was in Orlando because
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Speaker 1: this week would have been little Kelley Anthony's sweet sixteen,
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Speaker 1: and I went by Pulse to see what had become
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Speaker 1: of it, and it's turned now into a memorial, like
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Speaker 1: a shrine to all of the bargoers that were murdered
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Speaker 1: that night. But something reminds me of Pulse in this scenario.
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Speaker 1: You heard Paul Brand reporting and the survivor, Peggy stating
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Speaker 1: that the purp went about and was people were shutting windows.
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Speaker 1: People were basically trapped there trying to protect themselves. Tell
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Speaker 1: me what happened, Dave Matt, who is this guy? Twenty
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Speaker 1: two year old Jake Davison. Jake Davison is a twenty
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Speaker 1: two year old who has been working as an apprentice
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Speaker 1: for a defense and engineering company called Babcock International. He's
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Speaker 1: a so called bodybuilder who has posted many many things
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Speaker 1: on social media over the last several years, and at
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Speaker 1: twenty two years old, he is finding himself at totally loose,
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Speaker 1: ends to the point where he blames women in particular,
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Speaker 1: he blames his mother for all of the failures in
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Speaker 1: his life. And he just came to this point where
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Speaker 1: he grabbed his pump shotgun and started he seek revenge
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Speaker 1: on the people, first of all that he saw as
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Speaker 1: the enemy or the people who caused him to be
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Speaker 1: in the situa. You mean women, specifically, starting with murdering
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Speaker 1: his own mother. I'm looking at a photo right now, Jack.
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Speaker 1: You don't know if you can see what I've got up,
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Speaker 1: And this is of Jake Davidson posting a photo of
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Speaker 1: himself the Rambling Virgin, as he is called. Davison says
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Speaker 1: he hoped working out would help him be more attractive
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Speaker 1: to women, the Rambling Virgin, and in his postings he
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Speaker 1: does ramble on and on and on with me as
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Speaker 1: I said an all star panel including Matthew Mengino, former
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Speaker 1: district attorney in Lawrence County, now lawyer, author of The
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Speaker 1: Executioner's Tool. Doctor Jillian Peterson, forensics psychologist, Associate Professor of
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Speaker 1: Criminology at Hamling University in Saint Paul, an expert on
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Speaker 1: mass shootings and violence prevention, the author of the Violence
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Speaker 1: Project How to Stop a Mass Shooting Epidemic. Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor forensics at ex of All State University, author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and star of a
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Speaker 1: Brandy hit series on iHeart the Piketon Massacre, and of course,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter and star of the Marketing Mac Show Dave
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Speaker 1: mac guys, I want you to take a lesson to
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Speaker 1: reporter Paul Davies with ITV. He also researched online the
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Speaker 1: culture known as in cells, men who like himself, view
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Speaker 1: their own bodies as loathsome and unlovable. Lewis Brace at
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Speaker 1: Exeter University had studied the culture and says it can
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Speaker 1: have tragic consequences. In most people, this materializes in severe
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Speaker 1: case of depression and increase of suicide, but for small
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Speaker 1: minority these views start to express themselves in violent ways,
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Speaker 1: and they start to think about conducting violent actions against women.
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Speaker 1: Hi Elliott Roger was probably the most notorious in cell
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Speaker 1: killer seven years ago in California. He shot dead six
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Speaker 1: people and injured many more before turning his gun on himself.
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Speaker 1: But to you, Matthew Mangino, attorney joining US, former prosecutor
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Speaker 1: and author, that does not rise to any type of insanity.
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Speaker 1: He writes, I used to be okay with being a virgin,
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Speaker 1: but when you get older, inferiority complex kicks in and
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Speaker 1: missing out occurs. Trying to be a sexually frustrated male
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Speaker 1: with tons of health issues. You feel like you miss
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Speaker 1: out on so much in life. But that's not insanity, Matthew, No,
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Speaker 1: it's not. It's more in line with entitlement. Jake Davidson
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Speaker 1: fills as though he's entitled. He's entitled to have an
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Speaker 1: intimate relationship with a woman. He's entitled, you know, to
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Speaker 1: be a healthy person. He's entitled to be to have
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Speaker 1: a friends. It's all about what he wants. Uh. You know,
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Speaker 1: these are the words of a selfish person who feels
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Speaker 1: as though he's not getting what he deserves to have.
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Speaker 1: Matthew Man Gino, You're usually very precise, but I have
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Speaker 1: to disagree with you. It's not that he wanted a
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Speaker 1: relationship with women. As far as I could tell, all
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Speaker 1: he talks about is sex. He's not having sex. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to be a virgin, and he's pot about it.
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Speaker 1: I don't think he wants like a relationship where they
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Speaker 1: go out and have coffee and they take long walks
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Speaker 1: together and read poetry out of books in the park.
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Speaker 1: He just wants it down and dirty. That's why he's mad, right.
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Speaker 1: He wants to dominate women. You know, he's a male supremacist.
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Speaker 1: He's the kind of person that is entitled to do
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Speaker 1: whatever he wants in terms of his relationship with the woman,
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Speaker 1: to dominate that woman. You know, he's a selfish, self
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Speaker 1: centered person that wants his own way. Well, other words
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Speaker 1: come to mind, but I don't think vaccination or series
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Speaker 1: six then, would like me to say them on the air.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut, Tiene. This is from
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Speaker 1: Channel four. It's an online subculture defined by anger and
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Speaker 1: loneliness translated into hatred for women. Jake Davidson described himself
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Speaker 1: as an in cell what appears to be a growing
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Speaker 1: community of men who identify as involuntary celibate or unable
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Speaker 1: to form intimate relationships with women. You know, the reality
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Speaker 1: is is that you know, love is for the young.
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Speaker 1: You all love is for the young. That's His videos
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Speaker 1: have since been taken off message boards and forums, but
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Speaker 1: you can see him clearly interacting with in cell groups,
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Speaker 1: describing his deteriorating mental health, posting this clip that he
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Speaker 1: felt represented their plight, show oppressed scape, and submerging himself
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Speaker 1: into violent video games and gun culture. Crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Doctor Gillian Peterson joining US Associate Professor of Criminology,
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Speaker 1: Hamlin University in Saint Paul and author of the Violence
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Speaker 1: Project How to Stop at Mass Shooting Epidemic. Doctor Jillian,
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Speaker 1: you're very familiar with the insell subculture. Explain I am. Yes,
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Speaker 1: there's a section in my book on the subculture and
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Speaker 1: how it relates to mass shooting. So in cells, like
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Speaker 1: we've been hearing in these clips, are self declared involuntary celibates.
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Speaker 1: So men who aren't able to have sex, who are
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Speaker 1: typically isolated, depressed, lonely, who find other people who think
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Speaker 1: like them in these online communities and can really get
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Speaker 1: radicalized toward hatred and violence, and sometimes they talk about
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Speaker 1: declaring war on what they call the chads in the
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Speaker 1: state sees, which are the people of this world who
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Speaker 1: are able to find relationships and have sex. And so
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Speaker 1: this anger and sort of violence kind of bruise on
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Speaker 1: these chat rooms and in these communities. You are hearing
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Speaker 1: the voice of doctor Jillian Peterson, forensic psychologist and author.
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Speaker 1: You said that he's not able to have sex. I
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Speaker 1: believe he is physically able to have sex. He's just
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Speaker 1: not having sex that he doesn't have a woman to
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Speaker 1: be with. But he is physically able. He's not impotent, correct, doctor, Yes,
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Speaker 1: that is right by this book there, it's just that
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Speaker 1: no one will have sex with him. So he's angry
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Speaker 1: that there's sort of no woman interested in him. So
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Speaker 1: he decides he's angry at all these women and it's
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Speaker 1: their fault. Dave mac how many people did he murder?
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Speaker 1: Murdered six total. The one thing that strikes me on
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Speaker 1: this is that Jake Davison looked at himself and saw fat, failure, ugly,
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Speaker 1: that's what he saw, and he equates physical beauty with
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Speaker 1: sexual relationship. He doesn't see the depth. He doesn't see
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Speaker 1: a relationship. He only equates it to the physicalness, and
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Speaker 1: he blames his mother and her bloodline for him being
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Speaker 1: fattened ugly. In his own words, that's why the violence
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Speaker 1: that he showed towards her was different than everybody else.
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Speaker 1: This guy pounded on her front door nudes. He over
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Speaker 1: and over and over. Neighbors heard him pounding on her
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Speaker 1: front door. Then he kicks the door in and pumps
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Speaker 1: the shotgun and blows his own mother away with a
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Speaker 1: pump action shotgun. After that, he went out the back
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Speaker 1: door and just randomly shot at people. She was the
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Speaker 1: focus of the attack. Everybody else, God love him. They
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Speaker 1: just were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Speaker 1: Maxine Davidson, Kate Shepherd, Sophie Martin, to name a few.
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Speaker 1: To try to kill Sophie Martin, he also killed Leigh Martin,
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Speaker 1: Sophie Father. You know, I'm looking at pictures of this
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Speaker 1: guy right now. He doesn't look in his words fat
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Speaker 1: to me. He's pumping iron, he's obviously got a home
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Speaker 1: gym going on, and he's lifting weights, and he kind
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Speaker 1: of reminds me a little bit in the face of
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Speaker 1: Jack Black, who I adore, but I wouldn't say that
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Speaker 1: he's as he says, fat, I don't see it based
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Speaker 1: on the workout videos and photos that he is posting.
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Speaker 1: And speaking of his postings, jos Goot Morgan, have you
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Speaker 1: listen to these things? Yeah, unfortunately I have. I wish
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Speaker 1: I could take colm, take my brain out of my
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Speaker 1: skull and scrub it with Comet's a. It's a horrible thing.
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Speaker 1: You know, he's sitting here and just pontificating over you know,
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Speaker 1: he's got this platform that he was doing this on
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Speaker 1: and revealing us all with you know, his woes and
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Speaker 1: what's going to happen. That it all's doom and gloom.
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Speaker 1: And you know, the thing about it is is that
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Speaker 1: he's indulgent in and of himself. And it seems as
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Speaker 1: though that maybe he had been indulged throughout his life
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Speaker 1: to take on this martyr, this martyrship that he owns,
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Speaker 1: and then of course in the end, he winds up
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Speaker 1: ending all of these people's lives, including his own mother.
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Speaker 1: It's it's it's unconfortable because he's not having sex. He
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Speaker 1: has to kill six people because he's not having sex.
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Speaker 1: M guys, we are talking a lot about his postings,
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Speaker 1: his rantings as He's been described as a rambling virgin.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to reporter Paul Brand at ITV. Listen.
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Speaker 1: Police will be analyzing rambling videos Davison posted, like this one,
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Speaker 1: appearing to identify with a sexist internet subculture, men who
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Speaker 1: call themselves in cells or involuntary celibates. Nothing's changed, but
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Speaker 1: I'm still in the same position, same period in life.
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Speaker 1: Still a miss that virgin fa ugly would want of me,
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Speaker 1: you want to call it. What's changed? Those kind of
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Speaker 1: thoughts have been linked to violence before, raising concerns about
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Speaker 1: why he had a gun license. Clearly, I'll be asking questions,
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Speaker 1: definitely in terms of local police in I'm raising this
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Speaker 1: with the Chief Council. But tonight the main puzzle for police,
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Speaker 1: why did Jake Davison kill his own mother and for
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Speaker 1: others he may not have known at all. And of course,
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Speaker 1: Matthew Mangino, prosecutors don't have to prove motive. That's not
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Speaker 1: their burden to crawl into this guy's head and figure
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Speaker 1: out why he did what he did. You've got to
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Speaker 1: prove who, what, when, and that the act caused the death.
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Speaker 1: That's what you've got to prove, but not motive. Agree.
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Speaker 1: I agree. In obviously in this situation, you know, we
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Speaker 1: know what happened. This isn't an investigation to try to determine,
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Speaker 1: you know, who is responsible for the death of these
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Speaker 1: five people. But what we can do by looking at
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Speaker 1: this very closely is determined how it's we might do
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Speaker 1: a better job of preventing this type of incident from
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Speaker 1: happening in the future. You know, what kind of red
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Speaker 1: flags are there, What kind of things should we be
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Speaker 1: looking at in terms of online profiles and other things
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Speaker 1: that might give us some indication that someone's going to
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Speaker 1: act out in this violent manner. You know, the only
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Speaker 1: way to stop something like this, whether it's a mass
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Speaker 1: shooting because you're sexually frustrated or it's a school shooting,
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Speaker 1: is through intelligence being able to gather information so that
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Speaker 1: we can take some action to prevent it. You're not
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Speaker 1: going to stop it necessarily, Well, it's happening unless in
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Speaker 1: this case he shoots himself or or something else happened.
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Speaker 1: But we have to stop it before it had I agree,
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Speaker 1: you know what, and a perfect way to do that,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, How hard would it be? These in cells
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Speaker 1: a volunteers celibate guys go online in these chat rooms
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Speaker 1: and whine and complain about how women are rejecting them. Hello,
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Speaker 1: why do you think you're being rejected because of your
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Speaker 1: awful attitude, because of your whole horble hate for women?
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Speaker 1: That that that's why. But how hard would it be
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Speaker 1: to infiltrate these specific centifiers that you would that you
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Speaker 1: would be looking for for somebody that's kind of putting
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Speaker 1: forth all of this rot and it is rot? Hey
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Speaker 1: j Scott, how hard is it because the Feds? Well, really,
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Speaker 1: anybody can infiltrate hate groups like white supremists uh, um,
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Speaker 1: black panthers, um, all sorts of hate groups. Uh, the
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Speaker 1: Jihad it's so anti Semites. You go online and you
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Speaker 1: can very easily get and they're hateful chat rooms. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you can't. Depended upon whether or not the government officials
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Speaker 1: that have that kind of authority, it has risen to
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Speaker 1: the level where they want to investigate how many women
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Speaker 1: have to die? Joe Scott, level are you talking about? Well,
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Speaker 1: to the level that it shocks the conscious of the
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Speaker 1: bureaucrats that sit in the office and try to try
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Speaker 1: to make this decision. Well, I'm shocked. Crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace guys we're talking about in cults and how
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Speaker 1: these disgruntled, angry men who are not having sex for
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Speaker 1: whatever reason begin to hate women with such a deep
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Speaker 1: misogyny that they actually act on their hatred and commit murder.
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Speaker 1: Back to doctor Jillian Peterson, joining US Associate Professor Criminology,
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Speaker 1: Hamlin University in Saint Paul and author, doctor Jillian, you
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Speaker 1: mentioned that many of the insells referred to they have
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Speaker 1: monikers for people, stereotypes of people, like Chad's and Stacy's.
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Speaker 1: What's a Stacy so as Stacy would be a good
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Speaker 1: looking woman who can easily attract men, and a Chad
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Speaker 1: would be a good looking man who can easily attract women.
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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of these guys in this
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Speaker 1: subculture they hate Chads and Stacy's. They hate women, and
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Speaker 1: they also hate themselves. There's this kind of self losing
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Speaker 1: aspect to it, which is why when we see mass
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Speaker 1: shootings happen like this, oftentimes the perpetrator killed themselves in
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Speaker 1: the act as well. So Stacy's are women that like
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Speaker 1: to be with and Chads are men that they're jealous of. Exactly. Okay, now,
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Speaker 1: what do you make of this guy? Jake Davidson. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind he's an insell. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he does seem to have the ideology to talk about
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Speaker 1: the ideology, to have spent time online connecting with the ideology.
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Speaker 1: What's interesting is the fact that he targeted his mother
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Speaker 1: rather than targeting sort of Chads and Stacy's like Elliot
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Speaker 1: Rodgers for example. So he certainly blames his mother mats
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Speaker 1: Shooters always target what they see as representing their grievance
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Speaker 1: with the world, So his mother is the main target,
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Speaker 1: and then everybody else was just kind of there. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's a whole jargon that goes into the in cell.
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Speaker 1: I guess you would say lexicon. They are called There
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Speaker 1: are fake cells, there are vose cells, in cells, Curry cells,
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Speaker 1: ethnel cells. There's just such a variety. But they all
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Speaker 1: have one thing in common, and that is hatred for women.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. He was a troubled young man,
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Speaker 1: unhappy with the handlife had dealt him. What turned the
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Speaker 1: disgruntled Jake Davidson into a mass killer? Detectives hope the
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Speaker 1: clues will be found in his many posts on social media.
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Speaker 1: I'm so beaten down and defeated for life, but drive
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Speaker 1: the on one's heart has gone life. A theme of
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Speaker 1: his postings is his belief that he is unattracted to
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Speaker 1: women and unable to get a girlfriend. These images he
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Speaker 1: posted on the popular forum read It nine months ago,
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Speaker 1: posing the question am I ugly brutally honest? And asking
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Speaker 1: users to give him their opinions. You know what I've noticed,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jillian Peterson, is that if you look at the
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Speaker 1: ramblings of the in cells, they blame the women, the
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Speaker 1: Stacy's as they call them, for their the perhaps violent acts.
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Speaker 1: They actually blame the women for what the killer does
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Speaker 1: they do. And you see this amongst perpetrators of mass
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Speaker 1: shootings is they feel like they haven't been given what
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Speaker 1: they're owed in this life. They're angry, they're depressed, and
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Speaker 1: so they pick this thing to blame. And in the
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Speaker 1: ones I've studied, there's twenty two cases where mats woters
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Speaker 1: have chosen women as it's women's fault. And so I'm
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Speaker 1: going to go out and target women, and I'm going
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Speaker 1: to do this act so that everybody sees and witnesses
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Speaker 1: how angry I am. So everybody's talking about it, so
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Speaker 1: it's on the front page and then new that's how
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Speaker 1: I'm going to kind of get my message out. So
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Speaker 1: people are talking about well, according to the most recent
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Speaker 1: in cell killer, involuntary celibate, Jake Davison, there's plenty of
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Speaker 1: people to blame for his Jake Davison's lot in life.
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Speaker 1: You were just hearing Paul Davies with ITV. Now take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut fifty three. Let's hear from
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Speaker 1: the horse's mouth. No, I'll come. I'm so beaten down
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Speaker 1: and defeated life not drive the O one's hide. That's
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Speaker 1: gone line. You know, I'll try always keep trump, but
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Speaker 1: it's it's like I'm at the point nine where it's like,
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Speaker 1: why do I even on that? For what you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm still in the same house, same situation, same position, Still,
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Speaker 1: everyone's still the same. For the most part. It's just
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Speaker 1: been me against the world. It's just been me fleeting
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Speaker 1: an uphill bottle with a big rock on the box.
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Speaker 1: You know, while I'm seeing that don't deserve half of anything,
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Speaker 1: they're getting a free rode to the top. So he says,
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Speaker 1: he's looking around and saying other efforts that don't deserve
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Speaker 1: half of anything, and they're getting a free ride to
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Speaker 1: the top. Wow. Matthew Mangino, attorney, former district attorney. I've
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Speaker 1: seen so many defendants that resort to violence, that blame
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Speaker 1: other people that have had some semblance of success, like
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Speaker 1: they have a job, or they have a girlfriend, or
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Speaker 1: they have an apartment, blame them for their crime. But
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Speaker 1: there's no question about this, you know, as they said earlier,
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Speaker 1: you know this is this is a matter of entitlement.
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Speaker 1: You know, my my mother used to say that there's
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Speaker 1: there's a lid for every pot. Okay, So this idea
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Speaker 1: that that you can't find a romantic interest, you can't
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Speaker 1: find a sexual partner. It's not that they can't, it's
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Speaker 1: that they that they want. They want a supermodel, they
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Speaker 1: want a movie star, they want the most beautiful woman.
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Speaker 1: It's out there. So they're they're jealous of the chads
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Speaker 1: who have those women. Okay. So so now it just
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Speaker 1: continues to grow, and now women are the focus of
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Speaker 1: their hatred, not because they can't find a girlfriend down
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Speaker 1: the street, but because they want the most beautiful woman.
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Speaker 1: They want the most glamorous woman, and they're entitled to that.
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Speaker 1: And because they don't get it, now they can funnel
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Speaker 1: their hate toward women and take it out on them.
23:59
Speaker 1: So how did it boil over, ending in the death
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Speaker 1: of six people? Take a listen to Paul Brand. Police
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Speaker 1: were first alerted to gunfire at eleven minutes past six
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Speaker 1: last night in the Kyam area of Plymouth. It had
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Speaker 1: begun at a house on Biddick Drive, where Jake Davison's
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Speaker 1: first victim was his own mother, fifty one year old
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Speaker 1: Maxine Davison. He then left the house and took his
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Speaker 1: gun onto the street, where his second victim would be
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Speaker 1: his youngest, killing three year old Sophie Martin and her
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Speaker 1: father Lee Martin. Moving further along Biddick Drive, he shot
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Speaker 1: an injured two other adults before turning into a park
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Speaker 1: where he killed fifty nine year old Stephen Washington, and
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Speaker 1: then on to Henderson Place where he shot Kate Shephard,
24:47
Speaker 1: who died in hospital. Mack to Dave Mack, Investigate, a
24:50
Speaker 1: reporter with Crime Online and star of the Mark and
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Speaker 1: Max Show at Life Radio dot com. It's also a podcast,
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Speaker 1: Dave Mack. I'm listening to the events unfollow old about
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Speaker 1: how six people died, But you say it all started
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Speaker 1: with him kicking in the door of his own mother's
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Speaker 1: place and shooting her. That's absolutely correct. He pounded on
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Speaker 1: her front door. She wouldn't let him in at first,
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Speaker 1: and neighbors heard the disturbance and started paying attention. Once
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Speaker 1: he did finally kick in her doors, he never actually
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Speaker 1: let him in. He used that pump action shotgun and
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Speaker 1: shot her. Then he's dressed in black and dark gray.
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Speaker 1: He goes out the back door Nancy, and that's when
25:31
Speaker 1: again it's a hunt from there on out. Well, as
25:34
Speaker 1: it turns out, the police feared invading his privacy, they
25:40
Speaker 1: did not check his social media history before giving him
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Speaker 1: back his shotgun. That ultimately leads him to murder, him
25:52
Speaker 1: to kill six people. So is it true that his
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Speaker 1: shotgun had been confiscated and gave it back to him, Dave,
26:01
Speaker 1: That's absolutely correct. What happened is he was in a
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Speaker 1: he was accused of assault last September, and we're not
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Speaker 1: exactly sure who that was with because some of the
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Speaker 1: documents re sealed, But what he agreed to was to
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Speaker 1: undergo anger management. After going through this anger management session,
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Speaker 1: the police then reinterviewed him and gave him back his
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Speaker 1: shotgun and his wife and the shotgun he used to
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Speaker 1: kill six people. Well, I guess they didn't see this, Jackie.
26:29
Speaker 1: If you could play our cut two where they so
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Speaker 1: called rambling Virgin compares himself to the Germinator. The whole
26:36
Speaker 1: premise of the Terminator movies is up. You know, everything's
26:40
Speaker 1: rigged against you. There's no hope for humanity, you know,
26:42
Speaker 1: world the brink of extin showing you know that these
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Speaker 1: machines are unstoppable killing machines, the com be beaten, comp
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Speaker 1: yet smarted. But yeah, humanity still tries to fight to
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Speaker 1: the end. And I'll know it's a movie, Vivas. And
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Speaker 1: you know, I like to think sometimes you don't want
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Speaker 1: to terminate her or something split split, you know, reaching
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Speaker 1: almost total system failure. He keeps searan accomplish his mission,
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Speaker 1: you know, accomplish his mission, you mean killing six people?
27:26
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about
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Speaker 1: a mass shooting by yet another in cell involuntary Celibrate.
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Speaker 1: But this guy, uh by far Jake Davison, not the
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Speaker 1: first in cell. Possibly the most famous in cell is
27:48
Speaker 1: Elliott Rogers out of la Take a listen to Elliott
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Speaker 1: Roger's own retribution YouTube video. Should I Am going to
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Speaker 1: enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB, and I will
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Speaker 1: slaughter every single spoiled, stuck up, blonde slut I see
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Speaker 1: inside there, all those girls that I've desired so much.
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Speaker 1: They would have all rejected me and looked down upon
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Speaker 1: me as an inferior man if I ever made a
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Speaker 1: sexual advance towards them. While they throw themselves at these
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Speaker 1: obnoxious brutes, I'll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you.
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Speaker 1: You will finally see that I am, in truth, the
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Speaker 1: superior one, the true alpha male. Yes, after I've annihilated
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Speaker 1: every single girl in the sorority house, I'll take to
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Speaker 1: the streets of Isla Vista and slay every single person
28:58
Speaker 1: I see there. The hatred just oozing out of every
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Speaker 1: poor his misogyny, hatred of women, leading him overtaking him
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Speaker 1: to commit mass murder. That's what we're talking about when
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Speaker 1: we say and sell take a listen to this, Hey,
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Speaker 1: Elliot Roger. Here, I'm up in the hills in Monticito
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Speaker 1: right now. It's truly a beautiful day. But as I've
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Speaker 1: always said, a beautiful environment is the darkest hell if
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Speaker 1: you have to experience it all alone and sadly, I've
29:46
Speaker 1: been alone for a very long time. I've been attending
29:51
Speaker 1: college in Santa Barbara for about two and a half
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Speaker 1: years now. In those two and a half years, I've
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Speaker 1: experienced nothing, loneliness and misery. And my problem it is girls.
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Speaker 1: There are so many beautiful girls here, but none of
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Speaker 1: them give me a chance. And I don't know why.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why you girls are so repulsed by me.
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Speaker 1: This is a guy who has everything a forty thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars BMW, three hundred dollars ARMANI sunglasses, flying first class
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Speaker 1: all over the world, heading to a Katy Perry concert
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Speaker 1: on a private plane. Inside the privileged life of the
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Speaker 1: so called Virgin Killer. His father, a director of the
30:46
Speaker 1: hit movie series The Hunger Games and the dichotomy doctor
30:53
Speaker 1: Jillian Peterson, of hearing him go on and on about
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Speaker 1: his miserable life. When you literally hear the birds singing
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Speaker 1: in the background of what I perceived to be a
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Speaker 1: beautiful sunny day, I know those videos are so chilling.
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Speaker 1: And this is a case that I've spent a lot
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Speaker 1: of time studying and talk to people who knew him
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Speaker 1: and knew his life leading up to this, and This
31:17
Speaker 1: is where this kind of in cell subculture and these
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Speaker 1: online communities can really embolden someone because people will say,
31:24
Speaker 1: before he started going online, he was depressed, he was sad,
31:29
Speaker 1: but he wasn't sort of violent. And we see the
31:31
Speaker 1: same thing with the plimouth shooter. This is not just
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Speaker 1: a guy sitting around sad and depressed because we can't
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Speaker 1: get a girlfriend. This is someone actively making videos, going
31:40
Speaker 1: in chat room looking for people to say, yeah, you're right,
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Speaker 1: you should do this. Violence is the answer. We think
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Speaker 1: just like you do. And it's finding that validation online
31:51
Speaker 1: that seems to sort of push these guys to another level.
31:53
Speaker 1: You know, that's interesting. Matthew Mangino, attorney joining us out
31:57
Speaker 1: of Lawrence County, author of the Executions Toll, Former prosecutor
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Speaker 1: Matthew Um it's kind of a pack mentality. I've noticed
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Speaker 1: since I really first started prosecuting that very often you
32:11
Speaker 1: see people in a group do things they would never
32:15
Speaker 1: do all on their own, right. I mean we see
32:19
Speaker 1: that in physical groups, uh, you know, mobs, and we
32:24
Speaker 1: see that now manifest itself online where where you can
32:29
Speaker 1: go and you can meet as a group and you
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Speaker 1: can you can share these thoughts. Uh, that that you
32:35
Speaker 1: have and then and then begin to build on those
32:37
Speaker 1: And there are people in those chat rooms and online
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Speaker 1: who are inciting violence, who are saying that violence is
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Speaker 1: the right thing to do. And uh, you know, there's
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Speaker 1: no issue of privacy here. You know, if you're gonna
32:52
Speaker 1: go out there, you're going to share your thoughts, your hatreds,
32:56
Speaker 1: your your willingness to kill and to main people because
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Speaker 1: you're unsatisfied with your life. Well, we should be able
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Speaker 1: to monitor that, and we should be and we should
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Speaker 1: be taking those kind of threats that are made online. Seriously,
33:10
Speaker 1: how many women are gonna have to die before the
33:14
Speaker 1: fans take the advice of Attorney Matthew Mangino. But you
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Speaker 1: know another issue though, Dave matt was at Dave mac
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Speaker 1: or Matthew Mangino that gave a quote from his mother
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Speaker 1: just a few moments ago, Matt, I wonder if your
33:28
Speaker 1: mother ever said, Uh, if your friends jump over Cliff,
33:32
Speaker 1: would you do it too? Because you go online and
33:35
Speaker 1: you hear people inciting violence, just because they're inciting violence
33:38
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you have to feed into it and
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Speaker 1: do the wrong thing. Well, I think I think they're
33:44
Speaker 1: looking for that. They're looking for you know, some way
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Speaker 1: to funnel their frustration and hatred, and it's by going
33:52
Speaker 1: online and meeting people who have the same you know,
33:56
Speaker 1: sort of interests or disinterests or hatred hatred. They build
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Speaker 1: on that and among one another, they begin to embolden
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Speaker 1: each other that this type of violent contact conduct is
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Speaker 1: the answer to your prompts. You know, batter women, kill women,
34:15
Speaker 1: and that's why you'll that's where you'll get some satisfaction
34:19
Speaker 1: for what you've been deprived. Guys, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: more of Elliott Roger Virgin Killer. I should be the
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Speaker 1: one with the girls. I mean, look at me, I'm gorgeous,
34:33
Speaker 1: but you girls don't see it. I don't understand why
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Speaker 1: you're so repulsed by me. Why won't you give me
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Speaker 1: a chance? It's ridiculous. I mean the other day I
34:48
Speaker 1: was doing some grocery shopping at Traitor Joe's and I was,
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Speaker 1: of course all alone, as I always am, which makes
34:59
Speaker 1: me feel so miserable. Anyway, I was doing my shopping
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Speaker 1: and I see this, this like disgusting looking loser. Well
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Speaker 1: he's a loser in my opinion, and he walks in
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Speaker 1: with these two beautiful blonde girls. At his side. I
35:22
Speaker 1: couldn't believe my eyes. I was so insulted by that,
35:26
Speaker 1: because I should be the one with the girls in
35:28
Speaker 1: sales involuntary celibates. You're hearing Elliot Rodgers is so called
35:32
Speaker 1: virgin killer, but he's by far not the only in
35:35
Speaker 1: cell killer. Take a listen and learn about Alec. Menesian
35:40
Speaker 1: police say he killed ten and injured fourteen others as
35:44
Speaker 1: he zig zagged from the street onto the sidewalk, hunting
35:48
Speaker 1: his targets. His father leaving court yesterday weeping after his
35:52
Speaker 1: son was charged. Menassians said to have taken to social
35:55
Speaker 1: media just before the attack. The cus is alleged to
35:59
Speaker 1: have posted a cryptic message on Facebook minutes before he
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Speaker 1: began driving the rented van. That message including these words
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Speaker 1: all hail Supreme Gentleman Elliot Roger and not only him,
36:10
Speaker 1: but another in cell does the name Trace Genko ring
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Speaker 1: a bell? Take a list. A new federal case involves
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Speaker 1: twenty one year old Trace Genko from Hillsborough. Investigators say,
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Speaker 1: starting in twenty nineteen, he plotted a mass shooting of
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Speaker 1: women at a university in Ohio. They say he often
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Speaker 1: posted online They reinforce each other's extreme interpretation of events
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Speaker 1: around them, but they also share information about how to
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Speaker 1: get firearms training. The FED say he had guns modified
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Speaker 1: to work like machine guns, conducted surveillance and research sororities
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Speaker 1: women live there right, and that it will work as
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Speaker 1: a powerful demonstrative symbol to others in the movement. They
36:56
Speaker 1: found manifestos Genko drafted mentioning OSU kill counts and that
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Speaker 1: he would slaughter women. Jepson says manifestos outlined reasons for
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Speaker 1: violence while attempting to make the creators appear as role models.
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Speaker 1: I think it's important that we take all this seriously
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Speaker 1: so that we understand it correctly, so that are able
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Speaker 1: to prevent in the future. And there's more. Take a
37:18
Speaker 1: listen to our friends at NBC. Police identifying the gunman
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Speaker 1: as forty year old Scott Paul Barley. Authorities say he
37:24
Speaker 1: killed two people on Friday and shot five others before
37:28
Speaker 1: taking his own life. It appears Barley posted dozens of
37:32
Speaker 1: misogynistic and racist videos on YouTube. The videos, which were
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Speaker 1: not widely viewed, have been removed by YouTube because of
37:40
Speaker 1: their offensive content. According to arrest records, Barley had a
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Speaker 1: history of harassing women in Florida, according to one Tallahassee
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Speaker 1: police incident report. In twenty twelve, he was arrested for
37:52
Speaker 1: battery for grabbing girls butts near FSU's campus. A twenty
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Speaker 1: sixteen arrest report for battery states that Beer he approached
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Speaker 1: a woman at a Tallahassee area pool and slapped her butt,
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Speaker 1: grabbed it, and shook it. Both charges were eventually dropped.
38:09
Speaker 1: The reality is that Beyearly goes on to become the
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Speaker 1: so called hot Yoga shooter, going into a hot yoga
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Speaker 1: class and opening fire, killing the women in the class.
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Speaker 1: And now another in sale emerges, Jake Davison now dead.
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Speaker 1: But when will the movement die? Nancy Grace Crime story
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Speaker 1: signing off good my Friend,