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We're ranking assholes (part 1 of 5) · Journey to the Fringe

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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
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us on a Journey to the Fringe. Oh, yeah, at least.
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Maybe more. Yeah, I mean, it's probably our life's
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work right here. It is. Oh, no. So soon. And
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I may have just put too much pressure on us for
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this one. But here's what we got, guys. We've
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decided we've covered so many individuals that
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we needed to just kind of like put a list together
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and see how they stack up to each other to see
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who is the biggest asshole that we cover. Now,
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we have come up with a scoring system. We have
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each done our own list, ranking everybody. We
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are going to go through my list from the bottom
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to the top, everybody that we've done episodes
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on, and we've also done a neutral AI list. To
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that, we can kind of see if we're doing what's
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a reasonable interpretation, or at least what
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other people might think when they're looking
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at this kind of list. Yeah, at least AI. At least
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AI. A perfectly normal human being. Yeah. I don't
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think we captured everybody that we could have
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put on this list. We captured most. There's quite
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a few people who could have made the list, but
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they're going to get their own episode at some
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point in the future. Also, corporations didn't
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make the list, broadly speaking. Yes, but we
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actually also talked about it kind of being its
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own thing. Yeah, we also know that they all scored
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a perfect 50, every single one of them. Yeah,
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especially Chevron. Especially all of them. But
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we've got a list of 49 to go through still with
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that said. We're gonna start from the bottom
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and work our way up. This is gonna be a several
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episode thing, so strap yourselves in for it.
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Get ready, everybody. This score is out of 50,
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with 5 categories that got scored out of 10.
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First category is Deception and Fabrication,
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which measures how much the person knowingly
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invents, falsifies, or manipulates evidence with
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a high score, indicating outright hoaxes, admitted
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fabrications, staged photos, fake documents,
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and a low score with speculative storytelling
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exaggerations or sincere but misguided beliefs.
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Next we have Harm, assesses the degree of damage
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they cause, psychological, financial, or cultural.
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With a high score, there's deaths, ruined lives,
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or severe paranoia or abuse. Low scores, they're
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mostly harmless for entertainment or folklore
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with little real -world damage. Next is Grift,
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which focuses on how shamelessly they monetize
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their claims. High scores, aggressive pipelines
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of books, courses, and merch, paywalls, or scams.
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A low score, minimal monetization, occasional
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publishing or appearances. Legacy evaluates how
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lasting their influence is, whether their nonsense
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still shapes UFO lore or fringe culture today.
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With a high score, myths that endure for decades
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inspire movements or shape pop culture. Low scores
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are short -lived notoriety, forgotten figures,
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And the last one, which we kind of added on,
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not last minute, but later on, is vibes. It's
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just, do they give off asshole vibes? Yeah. And
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I don't think I need to give any more for that
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one. I think that's simple enough. Vibes are
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pretty much self -explanatory. But again, somebody
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who gives off asshole vibes might not be that
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high on the list because maybe they're not actually
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doing asshole things, but they seem like assholes.
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Yeah. With these all combined, we get a score
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out of 50. If it's below 20, I think consensus
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is that they might actually not be an asshole.
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If it's 20 to 29, their French storytellers or
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pranksters getting into asshole territory may
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be so questionable. 30 to 39, classic grifters
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and hoaxers who definitely are assholes, and
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at the highest, probably in our Hall of Fame
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at that point, 40 to 50. Now, Chelsea, are you
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ready to get going with this thing? I'm ready
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to go. I'm excited. And I will say we would love
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to hear from everybody who listens how you would
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rank these individuals. Yeah. If you think that
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we've ranked somebody too high or too low, or
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if you think that we've omitted somebody that
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should have been on this list, please let us
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know. Yeah. Love to hear it. I think we can do
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this annually with people added to the list.
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And I said 49. It's only 48. I had to do a change
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there. Bottom of my list, Paul Benowitz, who
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makes many appearances, first season 2 episode
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17, also season 3 episode 46, and also the John
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Lear episodes, but I forgot to list where that
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took place. Benowitz was, I think he was an engineer
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actually, who believed he was intersep - and
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I say that without having listened to that episode,
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so don't hold too much weight in what I just
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said there. He believed he was intercepting alien
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signals near Kirtland Air Force Base, his most
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notable achiev - was inadvertently sparking one
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of the most influential UFO conspiracy threads
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of the 1980s. His biggest asshole actions are
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complicated. He spread paranoia through his claims
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but he was also a victim of government disinformation
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which drove him into psychological collapse.
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He got an overall score of five from me. and
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it's basically he got a one right across the
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board. I don't think he was deceiving anybody,
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and at most you can see he was naive, but even
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the amount of government force put against him,
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I don't think you can even say he was naive.
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I don't get bad vibes. If anything, he might
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just be a guy who you get I need to bully him
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vibes from, because apparently multiple people
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that we've covered have felt that from him, which
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is anti -asshole. Pretty much all the harm he
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did was to himself. I don't think he made any
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money, and you might score slightly higher in
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legacy just because Dulce's still out there,
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but I don't think you can... Put that legacy
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on him either. I think that's going to come much
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higher on the list He's not the bottom of my
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list actually because I have a few people I was
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unable to fill out which we'll discuss in a little
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bit when the rankings come out We'll compare
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them with taylor, but he's not the lowest on
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my list And I agree with everything you're saying
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where I gave him points was deception and fabrication
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not through any fault of his own obviously and
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harm I did do a little bit because Paul Benowitz
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did write a book with all the disinformation
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that he was being fed. That disinformation is
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out in the world like Dulce and stuff like that,
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mostly sparking from that book that he put out
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which was fed to him by other people. So that's
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where he got points with me because I feel like
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there was a little bit of harm with that done.
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I do know people who do refer back to stuff like
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that as proof that stuff like that exists. That's
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where he gets all his points from me. That's
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why he ranked not the lowest on my list because
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I did give him a few points for harm and deception
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and fabrication. Okay, AI, he is third from the
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bottom of their list with a score of 25. 25?
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Yeah. Where'd he get his points from with AI?
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Did they use the same scale? Yeah. Copilot says
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that Benoit scores high in Harm and Legacy because
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his paranoia seeded UFO lore and ended tragically,
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but his deception and vibes are low. He wasn't
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malicious, just misled. His grift is minimal
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since he didn't profit. He's held back because
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he was more of a victim than a perpetrator. And
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I do get where they're coming from on that, but
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I'm going to attribute those scores somewhere
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else that we're going to see way later on in
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this class. Yeah. Okay. I'll agree with how they
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gave the scoring. I just don't think he scores
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that high. However, maybe I didn't give them
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enough. for the information that he put out into
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the world based on what he was being fed by government
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agents. So I think we're all going to have a
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different approach to this list. So I think it's
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pretty straightforward on that. I just don't
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think he's an asshole because of it. No, I agree.
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And that's why I attribute it elsewhere. Next
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up on my list at forty seven is Edgar Casey showing
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up in season two. episodes 22, 23, and 24, and
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by extension, several episodes after that if
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you want to believe some people. Also known as
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the Sleeping Prophet, became famous for his trance
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readings on health, spirituality, and prophecy.
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His achievement was building a massive following
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in founding institutions that still exist today.
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His asshole factor lies in exploiting followers
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with unverifiable medical and spiritual claims,
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encouraging people to substitute his readings
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for evidence -based practices. The highest he
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scored in, for me, was Legacy. And I should say,
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before we get too far, I gave him a 9. I don't
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think he really was trying to deceive people.
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I don't think so either. I gave him very low
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vibes, but also I think we're gonna run into
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this with people pre -video, that they're gonna
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have different vibe scoring than everybody else.
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Oh, I didn't even think about that. I think he
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did have some harm just with putting out psychic
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readings that we're never gonna really know for
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sure if he harmed anyone, which gave him a 2.
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I gave him a two because he was accepting some
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payment I forget for sure but I think he was
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accepting some payments for his readings and
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he did end up with an Institute so I think he
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got some money from somewhere and at the end
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of the day he did get a three in legacy because
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I do think he's probably if you're gonna name
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profits the sleeping profits gonna be high on
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that list although it's something that has really
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fallen off I have the same score I had him high
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in legacy over anything i don't think that he
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was purposely deceiving or fabricating or anything
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vibes are zero harm i agree with you actually
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i might put him up on harm maybe maybe a 0 .5
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because you don't really know Because of the
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times, I guess, there is no Reddit to be like
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Edgar Cayce reading Gone Wrong. I know. And really,
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the people that talk about him are people who
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love him. There's not a lot of Cayce detractors
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out there. So I don't think you're ever going
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to know that. Yeah, I think it's just a time
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where, you know, it's just... I don't know. You
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see so much hate. He's very low on my list. He's
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tied with Ben Woods. And surprisingly, he is
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27th on the co -pilot's list. I love that they
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took the rankings so seriously because I like
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start with three and go 11, 13, 14 for totals
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and they start out at 25. Nobody is not an asshole
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that we've covered in its co -pilot's mind. Edgar
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Casey is 27th on the list with a 35. Wow. He
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is a certified asshole according to Co -Pilot.
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He scores high in Legacy for shaping New Age
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Prophecy. I get that. I just don't think New
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Age Prophecy is that big and I think we have
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bigger names in New Age Prophecy that we're going
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to talk about later. I agree with that, yeah.
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His deception is moderate. Visions and readings
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were unverifiable. His grift was steady, monetizing
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through followers. His vibes were middling, seen
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as kindly but misleading. He's held back by a
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moderate harm, since his influence was cultural
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rather than destructive. I don't know that I
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agree with that, yeah. Next up on my list is
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John Zegris, who is also the man from Torrid.
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He comes from Season 2, Episode 39. Okay, what
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ranking do you have him? I have him 46. Mine's
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a 27. Really? Yeah, because I have him at a 10
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for deception and fabrication. I guess true enough.
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I just didn't think it was that big a deception.
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He was saying he came from a country that didn't
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exist. Oh we need to read what he is, hold on.
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John Zegras is the alleged man from Torrid, a
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supposed traveller from a non -existent country.
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His achievement was inspiring one of the most
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enduring urban legends of anomalous identity.
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His asshole actions are minimal, fabricating
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a story that misled audiences but with little
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exploitation or harm beyond myth making. Yeah.
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I gave him a 10 overall. He's 46th on my list.
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He got two across the board. Yeah, he deceives.
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Yeah, he's got weird vibes, especially when you're
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reading the story. I gave him a two just because,
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I don't know, maybe there's harm in the story.
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I don't know. Probably more than the Benoist
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story. And that's whenever I have a one, I have
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to compare anything that's low, it compares to
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that. and I think it wasn't quite there. There
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has to be some sort of grift attached to this.
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I don't know what it is, but I gave them a two
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there. And I gave it a two for legacy just because
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it's a story that comes up, but it doesn't buttress
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anybody's arguments for anything. Yes. Yes. Like
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that we're gonna get later on. Yeah, so I gave
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him ten for deception because it's obviously
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made up. I gave him an eight for vibes because
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who makes up a story like that? Harm? Low. Three.
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Grift? Four because like he's gone on radio shows
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and stuff like that and then legacies too because
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exactly like who goes back to this. I'm not sure
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if John Zegras actually exists so that is why
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it's so low. Right, where did he come from? I
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can't remember. That's another one I didn't listen
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to. I know, I had to go back and listen to it.
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So many assholes, so little time. And this one
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actually, Copilot matched. John Zegris got a
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Is 46 on their list, although with a 26. Ooh!
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This is the first one we've even come close to.
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And I feel like it'll be very few and far in
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between. Oh no! It didn't give me the reasoning
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on this one. So we'll never know for sure. But
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the guy's an asshole. Just kind of, though. Per
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copilot. So we'll move on from there. Yeah, I
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agree with that. Cause they got basically my
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total. Alright, Chelsea, next on my list, somebody
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that we covered very recently, Emanuel Swedenberg,
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Season 5, Episode 94. Swedenberg was an 18th
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century mystic and theologian who claimed visions
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of heaven and communications with spirits. His
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achievement was founding a theological movement
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that influenced mysticism and philosophy. So
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I gave him he's 45th overall on my list with
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an 11 and I should say he's tied with 45 He's
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at the bottom of mine too with but I do think
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I do think just looking at the two names Swedenborg
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should be below the next So mine would be about
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45 because I have those two that are not ranked
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yet. I got a little overzealous there. I mean,
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I gave him an eight. I gave him a one on deception.
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Just because he was doing it from his dreams,
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it's really hard to say that he was trying to
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pull a fast one on anybody. I get weird vibes
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from him, but it's mostly because of how much
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he was into minerals and his own dreams. But
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not that high of vibes, like a two, like I said.
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I do think they're so some harm that came from
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him, like the fact that his followers did get
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some repercussions in Sweden, and he did make
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money off his book, so I gave him a three, and
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I gave him a three for legacy. He's the foundation
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of a lot of ideas, but very few people actually
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know that he's the foundation for these ideas,
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and they have changed so much for saying that
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you met enemies from other planets. I think that
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your reasoning is much more logical for what
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you scored him than what I had. I don't even
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want to go over mine because I think yours is
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much more accurate. I gave him a one in harm,
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but now that you say that, I forgot that his
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followers were punished. You can't really blame
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him for that. Like you got to blame Swedish law
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at the time too. He's still implicated in it
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because it's his, right? So. Yeah, but it wasn't
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even him. He was writing in English and then
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the books were being brought back by followers
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and sweet. Like he was trying to do everything
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he could to avoid it. Which is why it's low.
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I had them low too, but I forgot about that.
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So I might push him up one. He falls 41st on
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Copilot's list with a 30. They gave him a low
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asshole factor because he didn't monetize heavily,
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but his fabricated visions misled followers and
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created doctrinal confusion that persists today,
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giving him an overall score of 30. I'm disturbed
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that you still haven't gotten to the person that's
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on the bottom of my list yet I'm very curious
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who you're gonna have at the bottom of your list
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and I frankly am Astonished at who copilot put
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at the bottom of their list. Have we gotten to
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it yet? No, it's not going to be for a long time
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either I shouldn't say a long time he's coming
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up, but I wonder if it's the same when I put
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at the bottom of my list at number 44 I have
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Travis Walton. Okay, that's the bottom of my
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list. Walton claimed to have been abducted by
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aliens in 1975, a story that became a bestselling
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book and the film Fire in the Sky. His achievement
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was creating one of the most famous abduction
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narratives in UFO history. He profited from the
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story and misled audiences, but his case is less
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exploitive than others and remains more folklore
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than fraud. And that's what Copilot said, giving
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him a ranking of 37th on its list. with a score
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of 33. He did profit off it. He did profit. That's
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his highest score for me. You know what? I didn't
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even fill out grift. I gave him a four. He might
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be tied with Paul Benowitz and Edgar Cayce with
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me on this. Honestly, I don't want to believe
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he's grifting, though, but he has profited off
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of it. He has definitely profited. In fact, that's
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how he makes pretty much all his income. Fire
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in the sky. Huge story. I would put it out of
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three, okay? So he's tied for me for bottom with
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Benowitz and Casey. And that's the biggest part
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for me. I can't fault him for profiting from
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this. Yeah. But at the same time, it is a category,
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and he did score higher because that's where
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his income's coming from, is this story. Yeah,
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I would agree with that. So yeah, I'm gonna give
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him a 3 for Griff. I gave him a 12, again, 44th
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on the list. Whiffle, give me a 3. Though, to
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me, he doesn't have a legacy as an asshole. Like,
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overall... See, I said he had a legacy of a 2
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just because this is a very famous UFO story.
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It is. Shit. And that's actually where his grift
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comes from is the legacy of the story. It's really
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weird. I know. Now that you say that, he's moving
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up on my list from last. Son of a bitch. Okay.
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Next up on the list at 43, I have the Weekly
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World News. I have them at 39. This tabloid became
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famous for sensational headlines like That Boy
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Found in Cave and countless UFO cryptids and
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paranormal stories. Its achievement was shaping
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pop culture, perception of fringe claims, blending
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satire with pseudoscience in a way that entertained
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millions. I gave it overall a 12. It tied with
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Travis Walton. It got very high in deception
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and fabrication because that's literally what
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it is. Mine's at 10. Ten out of ten. Yeah, it
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should have been there. I gave it a seven just
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because I don't think it's that bad a deception
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compared to other people on the list. It's not.
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So to me, like it was all deception. So that
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was a ten. So it scored way lower points for
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other things because in the vibes, it got a zero
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because I gave it a zero for vibes. Yeah. So
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that's where it evened out on mine. I gave it
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a one for harm, because I feel like some people
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might have thought it was real, but I don't think
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many. I had to give it one for Gryff, just because
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it was a paid subscription, like you bought it
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at the store. But even then, when it went online,
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it was free for a while. It is trying to monetize
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a little bit. It's still free, yeah. But it's
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still minimal. But it had to make money to continue
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to provide the wonderful entertainment that it
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did, which I can't fault it, really. It's just
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filling a void that people need to fill. And
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I gave it a three for legacy, just because it
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does have that nostalgia in my mind. But at the
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same time, when we were going through the episodes,
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you could see the underpinnings of the fake news
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we see today from it. Oh, yeah. Just in their
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pure form. It was the original. In their fun
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form. Other than Town Crier. Co -pilot. We put
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it at 36 with a score of 34. And it says its
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asshole factors come from fabricating stories
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that blurred satire and fact, misleading casual
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readers, and trivializing genuine inquiry while
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profiting from sensationalism. They give it a
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9 for legacy, which I think is crazy. Wow. Yeah.
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That is crazy. Because, let's be honest, we do
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all know who Batboy is. Don't get me wrong, but
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it's not like batboy shows up anywhere else,
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you know And that's the holding code like the
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whole thing is like it can't be like a generally
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known thing Yeah, like everyone knows batboy,
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but it's not like it was the taking off point
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for Where batboy the cryptic came from like everybody
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knows batboy is not real even though he's lived
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a whole lifetime He's gone to afghanistan taylor
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swift is carrying his baby Yeah, I can't quite
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remember how that works out. There was a whole
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lot of stuff going on. Man, that was a fun, nostalgic
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episode. Yeah, I know. Episodes. I know, that
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was so good. I don't think we said it. That was
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just covered this year in season five, episode
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seven before. Oh, yeah. 74 and 76. We should
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have had the names of them ready to go, but we
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can't be... We're doing it on the spreadsheet.
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That's really hard. Next up, 42nd on the list
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is Mother Shipton. Oh, I have her really low
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too. She's ranked on mine 44. Season 3, episode
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12. Yeah, we're right around the same spot, 43,
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44. I don't think the scores are gonna be that
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different. That is one that I listened halfway
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through. Hey, me too. I hope it didn't turn halfway
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through. I have to tell you, listening to Mother
21:52
Shipton, I was like, wow, I remember when we
21:54
did the opening news article on our actual episodes.
21:58
It was like a little bit of nostalgia for me
22:01
before we broke it out to a mini. And just a
22:03
breaking the fourth wall here, it was something
22:06
that kind of shook us to our core when we took
22:08
that away. And we're like, how do you start an
22:10
episode just with theme songs? it's true but
22:15
now i think it's a beautiful thing and i wouldn't
22:18
want to go back but just listening to it that
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way i was like wow and then the episode starts
22:24
like after that and so i was like a little bit
22:27
taken aback i was like what's going on but anyhow
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shipton is a legendary english prophetess whose
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prophecies were largely fabricated posthumously
22:38
Her achievement is enduring folklore status,
22:41
with her name attached to centuries of predictions.
22:44
Her asshole factor is modest. Her myth was exploited
22:47
by later promoters, misleading audiences, but
22:50
functioning more as entertainment than fraud.
22:53
Co -pilot with that description put her at 46.
22:56
She's actually very low on there. Wow. But they
22:59
gave her a 26, so she's still an asshole. We're
23:03
coming up all in the same, whether or not they
23:07
- She's a tragic character. She is. Like, when
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you listen to it, you kind of get the vibes from
23:12
if you listen to it back in the day. Oh yeah,
23:14
woman brought up in a brothel, evil woman. You're
23:16
like, no, it's just the circumstances of her
23:18
life that really make everybody mean to her.
23:22
And that's where everything came from. And even
23:23
the stories about her didn't come out until a
23:26
century after her. Yeah. No, I just really felt
23:28
bad for her. I gave her a six in legacy, and
23:31
that's not her own doing. Yes. It's stories that
23:34
come later. It's legend. Yeah. It's the legend
23:37
that was built around her. And like, she made
23:39
up stories. I got to assume that. And that's
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I gave her a three in deception. Yes. That's
23:44
everything else is twos. Mine's pretty much exactly
23:47
the same. Me and you are pretty much neck and
23:50
neck. Matching the bottom. Yeah. I think we have
23:52
agreement in who's not assholes. Yeah. Yeah,
23:55
because these are all below 20s mother ship did
23:57
definitely By her own means I don't think is
24:02
an asshole She's a little bit more up there in
24:04
legacy because of the cult status She's kind
24:08
of gotten around her but it's not through any
24:10
what was any of her own doing Okay, Chelsea next
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up on my list and sorry, I don't know if I said
24:18
it I gave her 15 overall again, clearly not an
24:21
asshole Yeah, she is punished by her circumstances
24:26
and talked about later in life. Yeah, which is
24:29
actually pretty sad. Yeah. It's like a Benowitz
24:31
actually. Next up coming in at number 41 on my
24:37
list is Dee Dee Holmes coming from season 4 episode
24:41
65. Holmes was a Victorian era medium famous
24:44
for levitations and seance tricks. His achievements
24:47
were captivating elite audiences and becoming
24:49
one of the most famous spiritualists of his time.
24:52
I have him with an 18 overall with the highest
24:55
being grift. He got a 6 in grift. I have him
24:58
pretty hard and I just have to admit here between
25:02
me and you. I really get him mixed up with AJ
25:05
Tomes. Yeah, and those are very different vibes
25:08
that you're going to get from those. Very different
25:10
vibes. So it took me a while to remember who
25:12
he was. He's at a 35 for me because he's one
25:17
away from the Fox sisters, who to me are very,
25:20
very similar. They ran the same grift. So I had
25:23
him at a 10 for deception. I had him actually
25:27
fairly low in deception. I gave him a three,
25:30
which is higher than pretty much everything except
25:32
the weekly world news we've had. And the reason
25:34
that's so much lower than we're going to see
25:36
with the Fox sisters later on is because the
25:38
Fox sisters later admit all of their hoax. So
25:41
I can't say for sure he didn't believe what he
25:45
was doing. Huh. Interesting take on that, because
25:49
I would say wouldn't that make him a bigger asshole
25:52
for not admitting to it. Yeah, and especially
25:55
with, like, levitation stuff that he would do.
25:58
I might rethink that. It's interesting that it
26:01
kind of puts us at different levels because we're
26:04
interpreting it a little bit differently, which
26:06
is the fun of it. And I also don't get weird
26:09
vibes from him. I do! And I always love that
26:12
he had, like, people around to notarize everything.
26:16
There were affidavits always signed at his shows
26:18
that they were fantastic. I forgot about that
26:23
but because of that he gets weird vibes from
26:26
me because I guess I forgot about the notary
26:30
thing when I was scoring maybe it would have
26:32
been a little higher Fox sisters, they're taking
26:35
advantage of that spiritual movement. And around
26:39
that timeframe, they're all doing kind of a very
26:43
similar grift. So they're all kind of playing
26:45
off each other. They know what they're doing.
26:48
It's rapping, it's levitating. It's clearly made
26:51
up stuff. That was all the rage at the time.
26:54
So it definitely was a timely thing as well.
26:56
So I gave them higher asshole vibes as well.
26:59
Like I said, the only thing that really held
27:00
him back for me is like he kept up the grift.
27:03
whole life so it's hard to say he thought it
27:05
was a grift and maybe hey maybe he could actually
27:08
levitate i doubt it the funny thing for me here
27:11
is i gave him lower harm i still gave him a five
27:15
because obviously he's taking money from people
27:18
but scored lower on the vibes because i don't
27:21
feel like it was that harmful it was just taking
27:25
taking money from the rich it was the entertainment
27:28
at the time right it was like i want to go see
27:30
a movie take my money so i he's not like a villain
27:34
in anything like that to me because he was entertaining
27:37
and taking advantage of that and copilot has
27:40
him at a 34 actually very close to chelsea and
27:44
in 34th His asshole factors come from exploiting
27:48
grief and curiosity with fraudulent performances,
27:51
monetizing deception, while presenting himself
27:53
as a genuine medium. I should also say, I think
27:55
this might be the first time it becomes apparent.
27:57
I didn't listen to DD Holm's episodes again for
28:01
doing this list. Neither did I. But I remember
28:03
him. But, and weirdly enough, I do find when
28:07
I re -listen to episodes, the score went up significantly.
28:11
Because apparently you just forget some of the
28:13
asshole stuff people do. It's true. I mean, especially
28:15
when we're looking back at where are we right
28:17
now. This is the late 1800s. No. Oh, sorry. Season
28:23
four, episode 65. So we're talking about like
28:26
August of last year. Yeah. So it's been a while,
28:30
but I remember his vibes. So that's why his vibes
28:33
scored an eight for me. Okay, and this is the
28:37
last person on my list, Chelsea, who isn't an
28:40
asshole, as it's the last score below 20. And
28:43
Chelsea, how many more on your list are below
28:44
20? I have below 20. How many are you? 1, 2,
28:49
3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. Oh, you've
28:54
got quite a few. Well, this is my last one who's
28:56
not an asshole. Oh, no, no, 12, because I was
28:57
counting one at 20. And yeah, I have one who
29:00
just barely cracked up. I love the guy, but anyhow,
29:03
we'll get to him when we get to him. Last one
29:05
I have at 40th with a score is Gary McKinnon,
29:10
the man who hacked NASA season two episode 38.
29:13
Oh yeah, I have him very low too. I actually
29:15
really like Gary. I know. McKinnon became infamous
29:22
as the UFO hacker after breaking into NASA and
29:26
US military computers in the early 2000s claiming
29:34
he was searching for evidence of extraterrestrial
29:41
technology. His achievement was exposing vulnerabilities
29:45
in government systems and sparking global headlines
29:48
about UFO secrecy. Overall, I have him at a 19.
29:52
The highest thing he scored is a six in legacy.
29:55
Yeah, because he is somebody who's remembered
29:57
and it gets talked about a lot in UFO circles.
30:00
But. He doesn't actually make the UFO round.
30:03
He hasn't really profited off this. I get weird
30:06
vibes from him, but like not in like necessarily
30:09
a bad way. Just like nerd vibes, like just weird.
30:13
Yeah. Like I live in a basement vibe, I think.
30:16
He did hack a government mainframe, so he got
30:20
a four in arm, but he didn't do anything bad.
30:24
completely on with that and i think it's gone
30:27
actually from like they're scoring low because
30:30
you just feel bad for them to like yeah he's
30:33
scoring low because like he's a good guy and
30:35
i like him and funny enough copilot agrees too
30:38
he's 39th on their list at a 32 another one that
30:43
i tied with ai i have three ties with ai that
30:46
is hilarious which is weird i'm yeah i'm on my
30:50
ranking That is where we finish off with the
30:53
total agreement. They are not assholes. So I
30:55
think this is where we're going to cut the list.
30:57
And next week, we're going to continue on starting
30:59
with the actual start of the asshole list. I'm
31:03
excited. Yeah. This is going to be a lot of fun.
31:05
We have a lot to go through. I'm just shouting
31:08
out my ranking. I've been Taylor here with Chelsea.
31:12
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