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John Xenomorph: 500th Episode, Billy Mitchell & George Lucas Myths · Multiple Nerdgasm

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This is my name is Matt. All right, as you know, my name
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is Luke. Yeah, I'm Daniel.
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And it's guys call me Dan. So that's probably what you'll
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hear most. I'm David and I like, I like
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playing games. I'm having like a movie since
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1999. So I'm probably the biggest game
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of the group. I like games, also mostly RPG
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games As It Gets, I like films and TV.
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And I love Star Wars and little a little bait pile of stuff.
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Thank you for being a murderer and read the reviews you like
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the website enough to listen to the podcast, or if for some
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reason you her, you're listening to this because some crazy
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reason people like it. If you've got any ideas for
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improvements, no, no, absolutely not.
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As we don't want their sleep. If it'll keep you listening, and
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it's probably value. Okay.
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Welcome to the first multiple nerdgasm podcast where your
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host. So I'm David Rule and this is a
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Matthew ham, Luke autism, and Daniel Miller, right?
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And when anyone ever again, I think I sounded a bit gay.
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No, no, no. That's just Kidding.
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That was 11 years ago. Do I sound any less gay now?
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I think I sound a bit and okay, not at all.
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No, definitely more games necklace.
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Like well, the same amount, the same gay.
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Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
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God, how young were we then? We were babies back then.
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Yeah, exactly. A little we're old though.
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We were 30, I never thought you knew everything that we then
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went from there to actually, you know what, there's one other
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clip I'd like to play. But I mean, I'll sit on that
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one. Actually.
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Okay whore I've got something. Look from now on sendagaya get
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was, we went from think we know everything through less, we know
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nothing. Mmm.
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I realize how little I know every single day.
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Hmm. Well, then we're not needed
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anymore. Anyway, this podcast writes
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itself, and when I say writes itself, what I mean, is a, I
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write to this podcast now. Yes, because we've got a
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surprise listeners. We're gonna let me clip.
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Hmm, and what what? Yeah, why can't we drop on the
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a, I train everyone else's or we have all the board.
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Yeah, too good. Yeah, let's have a listen.
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Quiet on set. Where where am I?
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You must be the new director. Welcome to the set of the poem
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massage campaign commercial. Wait a minute, I'm in the past.
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This is 1976 indeed. It is my friend.
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Now if you don't mind we have a commercial to shoot places,
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please. People?
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Oh my God, I'm directing Orson Welles indeed.
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You are my young friend places people, places.
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Now, let's get to work. All right.
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People were a go. Okay, now, awesome.
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I want you to look right at the camera and say we sell no wine
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before its time. We will sell no wine before its
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time. Okay.
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Now with more emphasis on no wine, we will sell no wine
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before its time. Yes that's it.
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Um, the world are useful for your biggest fan.
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I have heard of you before. Or how about we spice up this
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famous line by adding no wine before its time unless you're a
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time traveler. I'm not sure that's appropriate.
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My dear boy. Come on Orson.
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It's a comedy sketch. It'll be funny.
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I'm afraid. I can't do that.
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I say well, I guess I'll just go back to my own time then.
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I should have just stuck to the script.
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This is what we have to look forward to with AI Riley, cash
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groups going forward. I have to say so I asked check
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GPT, can you please write a sketch where Dan travels back in
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time and directs Orson Welles? And I wasn't expecting much.
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Then I certainly wasn't expecting that legitimate joke
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that it wrote about unless you're a tight like no one voice
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unless you're a time traveler. I don't know how it did that.
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No. Because listeners for those
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Don't know in the 70s Alton world's really did star in a
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series of commercials for Paul Masson wines and their tagline
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really was we sell no wine before its time.
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So not only does the a I do its research.
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It also made a pun and put a Twist in the script based on
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that punch and I'm not joking. I didn't ask it to do those
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things. I just saw like, actually I'd
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locked on, and I said, first of all, I say, can you write?
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I said some stupid thing about the podcast that I was like, all
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right, that's fine. And I said, could you write a
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sketch where Danielle's back in time and director Orson Welles
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in a TV commercial? And that's what and it
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literally, what you just heard. Yeah.
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Filled in all the blanks yet. Amazing?
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Yeah, amazing, I mean pretty good but for pretty good
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infinitely better than I was expecting.
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What I mean that that certainly inspired me to go and check out
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the app. I ignored it until then and I
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asked it to write a letter to you from Ron Gilbert saying that
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bastard. He was using some of your old
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Monkey Island fanfiction to be the premise of the new game and
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then I asked it to do a text conversation between Luke and
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Natalie Portman saying that she regretted not saying yes.
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We asked her out all those years ago and one that I didn't tell
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you guys about. I also wrote one asked it to
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write one conversation where Dave, admits to me that he's
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been gay or this time. You said that to me, I did send
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it to him. Yeah.
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But it was its sheer fantasy. See because the Dan in that text
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message was very, very understanding and didn't make
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fun of me. We're in real life.
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I would just be pointing out every homophobic slur.
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He's made in his entire life. Oh yeah, back on the irony of it
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all. Hmm, correct.
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Yeah, mmm. But well, I just like it's come
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a long way, remember used to see scripts floating around like
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that I wrote this, and it makes no sense.
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Yeah. Yeah, whatever.
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Yeah. It's sort of start off well and
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then just go completely off. The Royals.
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This had a start a middle and an ending.
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Yeah. And a joke like a joke and I've
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squiggled I Googled the no one before its time unless you're a
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time traveler in case that something it means from
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somewhere or like, is that something?
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I'm just not some joke that exists.
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Sorry that I can't find anything like no no I've not heard of
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that and I am extremely up-to-date on the also dwells in
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years. I'm Paul Masson.
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Yeah, I tried to get some Paul Masson and I think it's a
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Available because it wrote it and I was reading through it.
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I'm like, okay, this is fine. This is fine.
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Wait a minute. What the fuck.
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How did it do that? Like, so I found a practical use
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for it actually. So I I'm trying to lick really
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quickly, by the way, I gotta say.
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It just spatter. Yeah.
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Like it does it almost instantly, right?
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Yeah. So interesting.
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I guess what it doesn't need is time because it just processes.
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Yeah. Right.
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Like the fact that we would even think it would have to think
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about it over. Time and then ride it is because
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our brains are limited in ways. It is not well, because I was
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thinking like, how long would it take me to sit down and get
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those pieces and come up with that gag?
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No wonder for its time unless your time travel because Dan
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travel back in time and it's just so yeah, it's clever.
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And when you came up with it, you'd be like, oh that's a good
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one. That's right, that down.
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Yeah, huh impressed. Yeah I I've started use it.
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Well yes. Okay, so I'm trying to write
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something in the moment and I find It I find it easy to come
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up with ideas and then I find it easy to edit shitty riding into
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good writing. Yeah.
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But that part of just writing the initial stuff down just
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putting pen to paper is the hardest part so I have.
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Is it something at work? People will come up with like
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the I asked me to like review minutes, you have you something
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and I go yep. Oh this is not need to get rid
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that change that to this and I can tell you, I was suddenly
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you're a genius. Yeah.
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But for me to sit there and write they don't even know he
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can't Put it all this one, little one.
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Right? I completely agree.
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I'm the same and chat gbt fills in that gap for you because you
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just punch in a bunch of data that's just a mind vomit and it
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goes. Okay, well let me write your
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first draft and then you go. Okay, Enter not bad.
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Yeah, I'll take it from here ingesting.
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All right, still hasn't been taught to be racist shit now,
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but it won't it will get it there.
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Yeah, I'll guarantee you. There are just hundreds of
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people. That's all they're trying to do.
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Get me racist. Mmm, so we have it.
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I don't know that we said it yet but obviously, it'll it's
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obvious from the episode title, this is our 500th episode.
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Yeah, I can believe it. Yeah, well I mean they said we
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wouldn't make it to 100 and by they I mean people who have run
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on the spot, the very first person who spoke ever on this
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podcast as evidence from the clip I played at the start.
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Yeah, still feels like we've done the last 400 faster than we
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did the first 100. Well because we were very Casual
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about it in the begins. Well, remember the first it was
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we all we have to all be together, right?
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And that's how we had to do it. So we would record for episodes
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that are time because I was traveling up from.
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Yeah. And we were suddenly that hide
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on the news. Not only that, we were, we were
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all together more often back then.
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Whereas now, I mean, even when we were, you know, those of us
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who were in, were in Sydney for a while, there was a period
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where we're busy and stuff like that.
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And so this is a good excuse every week to hang out and chat.
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Yes. Yes, sir, work out quite well.
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Because, if we weren't doing this, I don't think we'd be
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talking really much anymore. I won't talk to you fuckers.
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Nah. Hmm.
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I only talked exclusively to people.
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I'm on podcasts with. That's right.
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That's right. I'm just waiting for Joe Rogan
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to call and then I want you guys anymore.
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He'll be my new friend and that 500 another 500 to come.
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See 500. Yeah.
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How are you going to think so? We got 11 years will still be
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around. It took really mean to get so
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that you reckon another another 11 years will get Thousand.
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No, no, I do it faster. Yeah, I can 51.
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Hang on a minute. We can figure this out, fifty to
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eighty eight, so we do it. We're doing Roger.
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Maybe 50. Don't reckon.
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We can, we take a Hiatus for Christmas?
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Yeah. So, 50 year.
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So what's 10 years? 10 years?
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Okay, so that's not okay, so, it's been about right?
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Yeah. Fine now, good shit.
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So yeah, we take it a year off now, back at that first episode,
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and I've not listen to that for a while, but I am going to
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assume we talked about Our Wars. Yes.
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I'm going to assume we all infected in on there's something
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I'd like to show you. Oh sure.
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Something contradictory. It's it contradicts something
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that we think we know about Daniel Miller or who is it?
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That I didn't know what a boffin was.
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Let's just have a listen to this clip films and TV and I like
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Star Wars. No, I don't.
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I died a fucking hates. I was that more than 11 years
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ago, love. So yeah, you know what, Dan 11
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years ago had was still trying to convince himself, the
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prequels all, okay. And hadn't seen though.
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I'm the, the, the 40 minutes that follow that clip was
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shitting on the Blu-ray. Release all over it.
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The colors are God, the inconsistency of that beer
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lightsaber River bike. I would have brought it I watch
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The special features never watch the actual movies from the good
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good because the movies in that version were awful, not there's
12:28
any good way to watch The Originals anymore even the D
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specialized and I do find it. Ironic that the the you've heard
12:34
the audio quality there for guys, on a podcast with that
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level of audio quality. We've critiquing the quality of
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the film. It's a cloud.
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That's what critique is. You don't have to be able to do
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better in order to critique something.
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That's actually an interesting point that So, I mean, this is a
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fair enough time to mention that I've, I've been down a Star Wars
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Rabbit Hole this week. Yeah, I mentioned you guys.
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I watched sorry. Oh, that was sorry.
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We're sorry Craig. Skip ahead to just chapter
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markers and so I'll try to go on for too long.
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Well, no, please. If she was a lot to talk about.
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Yeah, but I've reached a really interesting video that I sent
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you guys. That was a rebuttal to that
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house style was was saved in the edit and I Rocket Jump.
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Now, I used to I used to watch a lot of rockets.
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Jump back in the day and then they got a bit too big for their
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boots and so I stopped watching this.
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This is got a fucking, poor it to shreds.
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Yeah and and to be honest like pretty can see they have a lot
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of evidence for he went back to the primary sources that they
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looked at and blown it out that they conveniently left out.
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A lot of information in one particular piece of information
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is that like their video says the their videos kind of saying
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the point of it all is that Lucas is an idiot and Star Wars
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was successful, despite him. And because of the work of a few
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other people, his video is movie was saved by other people and he
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was a dumb-dumb. And I don't believe that no.
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Well, this video point if you want.
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Proof of that, this is the head. Which movies were talking about
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this, this, this video Point, remember them.
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When there was just a movie called Star Wars.
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Yeah. Well, because they imply in that
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in that Rocket Jump video, that they don't mention that there
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was an editor. Before Marcia Lucas and the
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others. They just employ.
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It's implied that George was trying to Fumble through it and
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just made a mess of it. There was he hired someone to do
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it? He fired that person for doing
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it shit job and then they came on and clean up the mess.
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But the way that they portrayed is that these people came on and
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he didn't know what he was doing.
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Yeah. So it's just and it was
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different you. It is true that he had a
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screening with Spielberg and Brian De Palma, and said, what
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do you think? And they were like, well, I mean
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there's obviously a lot of Placeholder.
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Yes, special effects and you know shots from other movies.
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Put in, let's discuss that and maybe we can find out what you
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were going to. What you're going to do in
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those. Yeah.
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How are you going to fix that? Yeah but but the rocketjump
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video implied that they saw the first cut and said well this is
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terrible. But actually this guy proves
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that they actually watched the fourth edit after Marshall
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Lucas. And at already am in they'd
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already overhauled it. They'd already removed Biggs
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they'd already removed all of Of the other deleted stuff that
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already reshot the solo stuff later.
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Yeah just oh look yeah a lot of that stuff in there is factually
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it m. It seems based on the evidence
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provided just not true. So I think it's very interesting
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that coming. I think they'll coming in at
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from an angle to make it look like that's that was their goal
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that's fine. Except that they called it a
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video essay. Yeah.
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It's become very trendy to say that George Lucas is an idiot
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who just got lucky. And there's a whole YouTube
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culture around there. Now, like the red letter Media
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stuff, doesn't they kind of started it to be honest?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Because it's another video, another video.
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I watched pointed out how, like, literally, every every video on
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the internet, just steal stuff from the red letter media one,
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they just read the thing about red letter is they love Star
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Wars. Yeah, they hate, they hate that.
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It was taken in the direction that we also criticized, but
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they actually have a lot of love for Star Wars, which is why they
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spent fucking hours discussing and deconstructing that And
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people just go see they hate it and they take it and run with
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it. The reason why I don't think
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it's a case of George. Lucas being lucky is I love his
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first three movies? Yeah and he was up for an Oscar
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before then too. So here's the thing that people
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don't really remember. If George, Lucas never made Star
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Wars, he would still be famous as the guy who made American
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Graffiti because your people Star Wars popularity dwarfed
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that of American defeat it in ways that what everybody would
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describe. But what people Don't realize is
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that, that was an incredibly popular movie and then his name
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was well-known for being the person behind that movie.
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Yes. Yeah.
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And he actually, it could, he actually even with American
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Graffiti he is someone else wrote the script and came back
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with it and he went no this is terrible and he hates writing
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screenplays, which he should stick with.
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Not like there's a reason but he went back and rewrote that all
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and turned that into what it was.
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Let's give original script was hot rods racing.
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Everywhere it was Of it like a drag movie, then that is being
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sort of a side component to it. I don't talk about drag in front
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of Matt more on that, in the after party, also got a limb and
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I'll say, the THX 1138 is one of my top three favorite science,
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fiction, films of all time. So, you can look, you side with
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THX 1138. American Graffiti.
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Then Star Wars. Yeah, that's a pretty good track
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record. Yeah, what he went on to do
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later is I think, yeah. But what you've got to remember
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is that also I was a producer in that time to and he produced
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Indiana Jones, he produced Willow.
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He produced Poltergeist. He produced Goonies, he produced
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every movie. You love Howard, the Duck, fuck
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it out. Maybe I can find love in the
18:04
animal kingdom. Well I'll link to some of the
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videos that I liked. There's four that I've got in
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here that I'll link to it. So I thought they pretty much
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treat you like Styles. Check them out.
18:15
If you don't like Star Wars, avoid them like the plague, they
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like hours long. It's just, yeah, one thing, I'll
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say that they do A very good job.
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These guys will love George Lucas and these guys often like
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the prequels to. And they point out that red
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letter media and other critics criticize things they don't like
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about the prequels but they don't explore engage with why?
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The things are that way mmm-hmm, and they do that in these
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videos. And I mean, it's very
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convincing, it's very interesting.
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But at the end of the day, if I pause the video and think about
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it for a minute, we're still talking about The Phantom
18:47
Menace, so which is still a lot of love.
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Buster Keaton. And those scenes of Jar, Jar,
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goofing around and shooting droids copies or not copies, but
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homages to the bus turkey necks do know.
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However, one of them is in that context, it doesn't work.
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Yeah. Look what think what really
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happened was? If we go back to like original
19:08
Star Wars, reset down with Spielberg and stuff and showed
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it, he was getting advice when he set down and showed off
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Phantom Menace. He was around people who are
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just going, Georges leekens, you're the greatest person ever,
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hmm? Also they're They designed all
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the characters before he'd written the script and then we
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have written a script. They filmed that first-draft
19:27
script. Like, you know how many
19:28
different people wrote On The Empire Strikes Back?
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Like, oh yeah, everyone even your original Star Wars, the
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original Star Wars, script had no humans in it.
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Yeah, I mean, the first draft was set in the year 3000 and had
19:42
dragons in it. Then it was all robots and
19:45
aliens and Mace Windu was dropped riding a dragon.
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It he went from getting using back and getting advice.
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And people to being surrounded by people just we're agreeing
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with whatever he was drection. He was wanting to go and I
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think, yeah, the problem I think he bought into his own because I
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can see they've got lots of Clips in this him, talking
20:02
about, you know, all the layers and metaphors and you know, it's
20:05
Anakin's descent into hell and this represents that and this
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and this is an homage to that and it's like, yeah.
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But the movie, that's George. That's Film School talk, you
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know, like that's that's a film scholar talking about film
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history and film Theory and that's great.
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And that's actually what he's the best that it's Kind of sad,
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though. You know what he did this in the
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first movie is like and that's the result.
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The Jedi are Samurai. You know what I mean?
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Like in, they are and they've even dressed like some, like, he
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didn't hide any, who Quentin Tarantino that first movie.
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You know, what I mean? In a really great way stole from
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the best, and you created a really great movie, all of the,
20:43
all of the dog fight scenes between the Tie fighters in the
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x-wings were stolen from his favorite world, war two movies
20:49
and everything shot in the desert.
20:51
Stolen from Lawrence of Arabia yet, like he is Grand and
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everything with the droids are stolen from Hidden Fortress by
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Akira Kurosawa and that's why it's great.
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He's awesome shots best. Yeah.
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Yeah, for sure shots. Yeah, there's another, actually
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course Curacao. We used to just copy John, Ford
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and Sergio Leone so they all did.
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That's that's yeah. There's two other things I
21:14
wanted to mention just quickly and and then we can move on if
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you want to. So one was that there was a
21:19
comparison that I thought was really interesting.
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I No. This this it was a shot side by
21:23
side shot comparison of the podrace with film, from the 60s,
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called Grand Prix. And at first, I was watching it,
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I'm like, oh my God, that the shots are exactly the same and
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then you find out. George.
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Lucas was a cameraman on the film Grand Prix in the 60s and
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he just made the podrace the same thing.
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He shot back in the 60s. That's interesting.
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That is interesting and he is a car Enthusiast like he's a
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racing enthusiasts. Like it's quite interesting but
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not copying the shot. I would have liked His shot but
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it's great that it wasn't no marginality such a shock, but I
21:56
would have quite happily skipped 30 minutes of a padre.
21:59
Yeah, yeah, yeah, correct you. But he thought that film was
22:01
exciting in a 60s so I bet he was go to something else.
22:05
They go to another shop that had that same part and that would
22:08
just sell it to you. Like, why are back for more
22:11
money? Like why did you have to dig
22:13
about with this boy for so long? And one other thing I thought
22:16
was interesting and it ties into what you know George Lucas
22:18
doesn't like Empire Strikes Back.
22:20
Yes. Talked about this before he Haze
22:22
that we like it. There's a point that in this
22:25
way, they met them, because everyone talks about how the the
22:27
shots are kind of boring in the prequels.
22:30
The kind of boring in Star Wars as well, because he has a very
22:33
particular F intentional. They have Clips were talking
22:35
about this. He thinks the camera should be
22:38
out of the way, put the actors in the frame and just film him
22:41
doing stuff like a documentary. Like, if you were just filming
22:44
exactly doing stuff. The camera, it shouldn't be
22:47
drawing attention to itself. As should just be there film and
22:49
stuff, and that's how style was Return of the Jedis more like
22:52
that Empire Strikes Back, has a lot of artsy shots that he
22:56
probably fucking hates like one in particular.
22:58
There's one when the doors are closing on Hoth and is like a
23:02
slow zoom in The Princess Leia's face.
23:04
He specifically said in the past, he fucking hates that, she
23:07
really. Yeah, but that's how we get
23:10
inside their feelings as the camera speaks to us in the
23:13
Cinematic language. I guarantee if he was still
23:18
directing making movies as he was, he'd be all into this deep
23:22
fake stuff now because he doesn't want actors.
23:25
He likes people to read his lines.
23:27
He's like now, I can make a lie, Portman do whatever I want.
23:31
Yeah, look looks face lit up when you say that.
23:35
Oh no II. Find that deep fake stuff
23:38
terrible. No I don't think I made some
23:41
sort of crazy. You can make Natalie Portman do
23:43
whatever you want. Did you see that twitch
23:45
streamer? That got work order part of it.
23:47
Did you see that? Luke know you followed which
23:49
one? I don't know.
23:50
He's all the Yeah, all that twitch guy who was caught he was
23:53
streaming any crumbs. Yeah the Chrome's have overdone
23:56
it was a deep fun toward paid site of a of one of these fakes
24:00
to look up other streaming his friends.
24:03
Yes. Looking at Deep fake porn of his
24:06
friends. Who are other streamers girls.
24:08
I got like four, guys. You guys don't look like deep
24:11
fake porn of each other. You got caught on a stream and
24:14
then had to sit there and be confront and I can his wife
24:17
confronted him like on stream is all like there's this, it's God.
24:20
God. And then it's just so do not
24:23
like creepy deep fake stuff. It's, it's terrible.
24:27
I think. Hmm.
24:29
I mean, it's terrible, if it's porn and if it's against
24:32
somebody's will, if it's George. Lucas just making a movie and
24:35
putting John Wayne and no, no, I'm not sure what.
24:38
I don't think thinking about, if it's porn, it's just if it's
24:40
against someone's will. Hmm.
24:43
The forget about that. Like it's you taking someone's
24:45
likeness and making them do something and at the end the day
24:49
that was they'll making them do that.
24:51
To make money. Yeah.
24:52
Well, I mean, this kind of thing was flagged in the 80s when yes,
24:57
James Cameron, or Back to the Future, is a good was going to
24:59
say, yeah. They modeled the actor on, they
25:03
actually put a, you know, a fake nose on, and you acted to make
25:05
him look like Crispin Glover. He sued, and he won, and then a
25:09
lien three. Yeah.
25:11
James Cameron alien Harvest. It was yeah.
25:16
Michael biehn. And who's the director?
25:18
David Fincher? Used a photo.
25:20
Though of I would like to see James Cameron, direct Bill Hicks
25:24
in an alien. Yeah.
25:27
Yeah. Why don't we all just take
25:28
fucking drugs become the there was a photo of Michael biehn,
25:36
what? From him being on.
25:38
Oh yeah. That's right.
25:48
And the words deceased next to him right?
25:50
Yeah. And Bill Paxton went.
25:52
That's my fucking photo. You didn't ask me Michael.
25:55
Biehn, might not think it's my photo.
25:57
Oh yeah. And then they, they duked it
25:59
out. Michael biehn, sorry.
26:02
Welcome to mybinding one because yeah.
26:05
Bill Paxton is no longer with us.
26:06
So, oh, you saying Michael biehn be impacted.
26:10
And I'm just asking questions that listeners can figure it out
26:13
for himself. Do your own research throwbacks.
26:21
Before we get off, hold on. Before we get off the topic of
26:26
deep, fakes and special effects as a segue.
26:29
I'm wondering, guys know that people aren't kissing each other
26:33
in movies anymore. They're using CGI to kiss
26:37
really. I briefly saw something about
26:40
this way more than you think. Right?
26:43
Franklin jealous fault. They were like, you know what,
26:45
maybe we don't need old men. I've got a list here of movies
26:48
where the kisses aren't real, right?
26:50
Don't ruin. A last kiss for me then.
26:55
If I had a dollar for every time, you've said that to me,
26:59
get out of my bedroom. So there's been so there's a
27:02
film out at the moment, right? Called you people.
27:06
Mike what do you mean you people?
27:09
Oh no. I think that's what it's about,
27:11
right? Okay.
27:12
It's all right. Well I mean look I don't know.
27:14
But it does have some African-Americans in it and I
27:16
think that's probably that's probably the context of it but
27:19
there's a there's a moment where and I want to get this, right?
27:23
There's a moment where Jonah Hill.
27:26
Hmm. And somebody London ameria
27:31
ameria London kiss, but they didn't want to kiss.
27:38
So, let us show character named. Okay, regardless, they didn't
27:42
want to kiss want to kiss special effects, kiss hereupon,
27:46
she repulses him. I'll make sure the I've got some
27:58
other some other reasons why other films to ask but have not
28:02
so pretty down and what about think is quite a good one?
28:05
Are you talking about Harry Potter?
28:07
The Harry Potter? When I think it's a good reason
28:08
to. Yeah.
28:09
So when they filmed, no, I haven't seen this Harry Potter
28:12
movie because I achieved out of the bank Goblet of Fire.
28:15
Yeah. I dropped out of Harry Potter.
28:17
That ones. I've seen it it's 100 and Harry.
28:21
Sure. No, it's Harry and Ginny.
28:25
Oh sure. Okay.
28:26
Gz when they filmed that he had already turned 18, she hadn't.
28:32
Oh, okay. And so they were like, you can't
28:36
and the actors are like, not let us do it.
28:38
And they like, you can't. And if we're doing it right now,
28:41
right? In front of you, we can't see.
28:45
Yeah. Okay.
28:47
I mean, I got so then I'm like using CGI allowed the filmmakers
28:50
to still include Kiss between the characters.
28:53
But in an age-appropriate way except it's sorry, they would
28:58
ya. But yeah, I mean I know this is
29:00
just the Articles wording but that makes it sound even
29:02
creepier. Yeah, we may think that we make
29:05
some kids kiss, but it's okay because we did it in a computer.
29:08
Yeah, look, look, here's a video I've made of me kissing of Mary
29:12
young kid. It's fine because idea using
29:15
Leonardo, DiCaprio's not allowed to kiss his girlfriend so he
29:18
does it on the computer. That's right.
29:20
Did you say that tweet? This week, we're where somebody
29:24
tweeted, I feel who always, but they tweeted, maybe women just
29:27
get bored of Leonardo once they turn about 25.
29:31
Yeah. But there are other reasons and
29:38
as far as I know, that's the only reason that's the only film
29:41
where the we don't want them to come across as pedophiles has
29:46
one movie. I can't remember what leads but
29:48
they weren't, they had to do it because they'd already sort of
29:50
finished filming and I had to do two keys at separate times.
29:54
I forget what movie. It will ya.
29:55
There's a bit of that. There's also been covid fears.
29:59
You know people here. Yeah.
30:00
Just don't want to kiss anyone during covid and also,
30:03
apparently, Kristen Stewart, your favorite actress we haven't
30:09
spoken about for a while. When when Robert Pattinson was
30:14
asked to kiss her. He said I'd rather go across the
30:16
hall and it's literally repulses him.
30:20
Yeah, so she does. Ulsan.
30:22
But I'm sure he repulses her because she's a lesbian as far
30:24
as I know. Right.
30:25
So they eventually break up. Someone's marriage by Sleeping
30:28
with her. Someone's husband child.
30:30
Yeah bitches well but the director of Snow White.
30:34
Yeah. William you bank was it or was?
30:36
No is ribbit. Ribbit Sanders was one of those
30:40
show. It's one of those guys is one of
30:41
those two people could be. Maybe she's just a terrible
30:46
person. It was the guy who directed The
30:49
live-action ODST trailer. Don't that guy.
30:52
He talked about back in the day. That's right.
30:54
Yeah, ended his career, pretty much too.
30:57
And he was, he was married to Atticus Ross as sister.
31:00
That's who he cheated on Jesus Christ.
31:02
That's a, that's like, all right.
31:05
Yeah, like George Lucas. How do you do?
31:07
Such passion that, I know. Right.
31:09
But anyway, to finish the story, they kissed on film normally and
31:14
then in the daily things like they were watching.
31:17
It's like human beings and like like a 400 year old.
31:21
Old would kiss, an 18 year old? Yeah.
31:23
If we don't collect all, that's not appropriately better CGI
31:26
that up. Yeah.
31:26
No, no. So they really kissed, but then
31:28
when they watched it back they The Producers said to each
31:31
other, they do not like it. They are not attracted to one
31:35
another like, right? So is there something we can do
31:39
with special effects to make them more kissy to make?
31:42
So yeah, to make it look like they're really getting into it.
31:46
Hmm. The other one.
31:48
I'm actually that surprises me is part of the Caribbean at
31:51
World's End in the way they would it is great in one of the
31:53
scenes, the kiss between Elizabeth Swann and Will Turner
31:56
was enhanced with CGI. Like they put tongues in a cell
32:00
like Davy Jones is in the background.
32:01
We have got the three examples and they give reasons for the
32:08
first two but for the parts that could read.
32:10
It's just weird. No, reasonable human enhance but
32:15
what did they change? I mean, not that it matters that
32:19
movies. I haven't seen that one.
32:22
I've got the best soundtrack but it's the worst one like movie
32:25
overall II dropped out about, after the first movie.
32:29
I watched the one with the crabs, which ones that the crabs
32:32
crabs move a boat, right? Oh, that's this one.
32:35
Yeah, that's, that's this one. Yeah, that was fucking garbage.
32:38
Yeah, I'm making another one, they've made two more, they've
32:43
made it. This far.
32:44
I think in Tokyo, but aren't after the trial, weren't they
32:47
throwing money him to make another?
32:49
I don't know. Is there any obvious See,
32:51
there's some without Johnny Depp or there isn't no, no think
32:55
there is no, you don't need all the pain and then there's one
33:02
with the guy who played Julius Caesar in Rome.
33:06
Oh shit. Okay.
33:07
He's the villain kick. Kick kick.
33:10
Yeah. And I respect the guy from The
33:12
Terror. Yeah, yeah I love him.
33:14
He's also an Excalibur. Sure.
33:17
I don't hit that. I don't think they'll even
33:18
attempt to make a pirates without they will.
33:21
They'll just For it to blow over my dad.
33:23
Watch a buddy comedy between Ian McShane and that guy who played
33:26
Caesar in Rome for sure different film.
33:29
They're not hiring one party buddy cop.
33:31
Yeah bring him back. Yeah because until you and find
33:33
another brought him in one they brought fucking what's his name?
33:38
Barbosa back. So why not bring others back?
33:41
Barbosa was dead, they brought him back the the Aussie guy.
33:45
The guy from The King's Speech what's his name?
33:48
Oh yeah Geoffrey Geoffrey Rush Shhhh, you're not allowed to put
33:53
him in stuff anymore, Matt, but I didn't do it.
33:56
They, he got his dick out. Matt, you can't get your dick
33:59
out together all the time. Yeah.
34:02
But did you get him? Did you get your dick out in
34:04
front of that? Girl, from Orange, is the New
34:06
Black. Know.
34:07
He did though and so he's not allowed to be in movies anymore.
34:10
It's going to see which go, but I haven't seen it.
34:12
So it's not going to help. Look, we've got some other.
34:14
Fake did fake news. That that ideas, think news
34:17
Norfolk news the fake. No, no, no.
34:19
Tariff would be faking is 0. Or which apparently fight
34:23
because the way he's describing the way they D aged him, it's
34:27
just deep fakes. They took footage from The
34:30
Cutting Room floor from the old Indie movies, okay?
34:34
And used it to deep fake him from now, back to what he looked
34:38
like back then. And of course the reason why
34:40
this deep fake is different is because he can tell you about
34:43
it. If you agree to anything
34:44
hateful. Yeah, those three seasons and
34:49
whatever you want, least at least two of those.
34:51
And ago and I don't leer as do what you want.
34:58
I don't give a shit. Where is my wife.
35:04
Yeah. So he reckons, this is really
35:05
good. He said he watched any was like,
35:07
oh, it just looks like they found some old footage.
35:10
Okay. Then again, they are well, who
35:11
else a lot of money to say that so.
35:13
Yeah. Say yeah, but can I just say,
35:16
let's just make a whole bunch of young.
35:18
Harrison Ford movies. Now, what are we doing?
35:20
Why are we wasting our time making Any other movies?
35:23
Yeah, that's their winking behind him going.
35:25
Don't worry guys in yeah it's forever.
35:28
Yeah they got him to sign something.
35:30
Yeah, we did no one else but him will be Harrison Ford.
35:35
We're making a lot more movies even after he's dead.
35:37
Well I mean James L Jones took a big paycheck and let them
35:42
sample, just voice so that they can write him say anything.
35:45
In a Darth Vader voice for the rest of Eternity.
35:48
So maybe Harrison Ford's gonna agree to that too.
35:51
I hope he does. But then one thing is unless I
35:55
do the whole thing sort of CGI, it sort of sucks for the person
35:59
who actually does actually play the character.
36:01
Hmm. That they get Chris Brackett,
36:04
some people are just a stuntman. They're happy to just stand here
36:07
is Chris Pratt. You just do the voice.
36:09
Did you guys see that video? Where legal eagle tallied up all
36:13
of the crimes that Indiana Jones committed during Raiders of the
36:16
Lost Ark? I haven't.
36:18
So, yeah, it's very funny. So he went through and he
36:20
actually, like there's a lot. Of wrongful death.
36:23
There's there's there's one or two straight up murders but then
36:27
there's a lot of like when he just drives the truck through
36:29
this shoddily, hastily made construction site and people
36:33
just fall off the building. He's like, well, they're all
36:35
dead. And so that's, that's
36:38
manslaughter. And then of course as we've
36:40
discussed many times, he also adds the statutory rape charge.
36:45
Yeah. Yeah, which is Canon.
36:50
This is he says that to he's like and just when you think I'm
36:53
reading too far into this, this one is the proof.
36:57
It's yelled out for you. Well, we get to find out if the
36:59
movie is good on the 30th of June.
37:02
Yes, not so it's very soon. So it's got young Indian it and
37:05
one thing it doesn't have in it is any jokes about him being old
37:08
because Harrison Ford was like, that's not funny.
37:10
No one cares. Yeah.
37:11
Well, I think it didn't do draw attention to it.
37:13
You groaning, either? What's that?
37:16
I didn't work in the Crystal Skull.
37:18
No, I think he knows that. That's what you said.
37:19
Don't get me wrong. Funny, that's not why that movie
37:21
sucked. No, no, no.
37:23
But I think he regrets like people don't want to be reminded
37:26
that he's old. If he's doing stuff, just don't
37:28
worry about it. He said there's one of why am I
37:32
still doing this joke? And that's it right?
37:34
Yeah, but yeah, it doesn't need to be a real thing.
37:36
It's a trailer. I belong in a museum?
37:39
Yeah, I've pissed my pants. Yeah, yeah.
37:47
Yeah, well, I mean the most iconic scene in Raiders was shot
37:50
because he was shitting in his own pants.
37:54
Yes, that's true. There you go.
37:55
They all were. It's like poetry it Rhymes.
37:58
We would have said that was murder.
38:00
Yeah. Yes he did.
38:03
He said he said a lot of people would like would try to argue.
38:08
He said, like, Indies lawyer would try to argue that that was
38:10
self-defense, but yes, there's no actual threat.
38:14
The guy had a sword but he wasn't near him.
38:17
It wasn't coming. Why is waving it around?
38:19
Yeah. And Indie had a fucking gun.
38:24
So he was he really showed grateful.
38:26
He was just a street juggler. I fucking love that movie.
38:32
So good, and I'll fight anyone who says Indiana, Jones doesn't
38:36
change the plot of that movie, he fucking does.
38:38
And also, it's not about that mmm-hmm, this is a, it's a
38:43
great, it's a great fun, family movies, our family movie.
38:46
When I It was when I grew up, man.
38:48
Yeah, probably. I probably wouldn't put it on
38:50
for my kids, have kids watch face is melting as often as we
38:53
used to as a kids. Yeah.
38:54
And yeah, do the kids. These days hate the Nazis like
38:57
we did. Well, it was a lot closer to the
39:00
war when we some of them are not see, it was only 30 years on the
39:03
internet. Yeah.
39:07
Yeah, like when we were kids out granddad's, we're still like
39:10
don't trust the fucking Germans. Yeah not my mind wasn't
39:15
obviously you know they trust me English Maddie.
39:22
Yeah, we've got some follow-up in particular.
39:27
Dan you were asking about. Aux fucking I was I want Nate
39:34
was like I know Portuguese. Fuck.
39:36
Yeah. And he's written in thank you
39:38
there and then good on your way that.
39:41
So I'm going to read this, right?
39:42
So this is a just question. Dan was questioning the fact
39:46
there are no female aux, right? Yeah.
39:47
And all the Rings. And all right.
39:49
So this is this is who and what do they fuck?
39:53
Okay. I'm just going to read it
39:55
because I can paraphrase, leave. Please do please do back in the
39:58
very early days before the fall of the And city of gondolin
40:01
morgoth had a habit of hunting and capturing any elves, he
40:04
found in the wild he tortured and he mutilated them.
40:07
But the weird part and I don't ever gave up gondolin, okay,
40:11
this even applied after the old broken.
40:13
These elves were both male and female and after centuries
40:15
underground they took on the name orc recently in rings of
40:19
power. We see one of these Orcs for the
40:21
first time. Even in all talking is writing
40:23
was never an original orc as a character.
40:25
Of course, these Orcs fucked over the generations.
40:29
Of course. Fucking they started taking what
40:31
else are you gonna do down there over time?
40:35
They started taking on the more orc like appearance.
40:39
But the originals were still around they broke off into
40:41
because of inbreeding which includes goblins.
40:45
Yes, there were female donkey Hobbit movies.
40:47
This one off of thousands of years then morgoth has finally
40:49
beaten and the Orcs or vanished until they came back from
40:52
underground. Following Sauron now in the new
40:54
show, the original Oak that is still around is a direct threat
40:57
to Sauron, because he has genuine.
40:59
LT of the younger Orcs. Okay.
41:02
So I can watch the finger pass. I don't know what that's about,
41:05
but he's right, it's confusing. I am, I am came to watch that
41:08
because Tolkien wrote two different versions of all creep
41:11
reduction because he was a fucking sick bastard because he,
41:15
he was thorough. Yeah, they were.
41:17
I'm not gonna question. I'm not gonna sit here and write
41:20
a language for everyone without describing their genitals and
41:23
where those genitals going, what's in his Publishers office.
41:26
And he said, look, I've written how the ox reproduce again.
41:30
Yeah, he's right. What these in the appendices.
41:33
Again, might main book they both reproduce like everybody else
41:39
does and can be made and we all reproduce but that's the
41:47
Chrysalis, I assume that. Yeah.
41:49
Well, he did Jackson leaned into, they can be molded from
41:52
the earth. The latter is what we saw
41:53
cerumen doing in the movies. But Gandalf in the book says he
41:57
makes he's a home to do that. He Hey dorks, with goblins and
42:01
Men implying just more fucking, okay?
42:04
And just to be clear, that's Peter Jackson, was named not
42:07
putting himself in the movie means mankind.
42:09
It doesn't mean literally, just numb it away meant for people
42:13
are writing in gunhawk. Nate says men, but he said that
42:20
was a bit much Peter Jackson, so he went with the Pod thing.
42:23
So like the way, no one is going to put the teenager gangbang
42:26
from the end of Stephen. King's It.
42:28
I know I know they are Implied, it might have happened, but
42:31
yeah, but what does it mean? Goblins and men, and how do they
42:35
breed well? Oh, he goes on.
42:37
Yes, please. They might be mutated.
42:39
But the DNA of the goblin is still elf and they are always
42:42
having half-human kids. Even elrond is half elf.
42:45
So, I think the bigger changes, the young Orcs are not Immortal
42:47
anymore. There to corrupt in the light of
42:49
the noldor left them long ago. I don't know what that means.
42:53
Anyway, I've just summarized Lord of the Rings know, so, I
42:56
haven't gotten a long time to sum up.
42:58
No one wants to imply that Ox fuck.
43:00
So they don't show female or almost do I make you?
43:04
Do you want to imply it very strongly?
43:07
So go on anyway. That's that's it yet
43:11
magnificent. He always says I may be a little
43:13
too invested in Lord of the Rings?
43:14
No. No investor just the perfect
43:16
amount. Just the right amount.
43:18
Correct. Yeah, that's magnificent.
43:20
I knew there'd be an answer because talking doesn't leave
43:23
any stone unturned and I knew that some go.
43:25
Well, it's about fucking yeah. That's right.
43:28
I'm currently reading. Well, I've lost my page, but
43:33
apparently reading Lord, fouls beIN the first of the Thomas
43:37
Cullen, and the unbeliever Chronicles by Stephen Donaldson,
43:41
which is about a man from outside, who gets sucked into a
43:45
high Fantasy Realm. And the first thing he does is
43:48
rape a fairy. As you do, we go.
43:50
What you were wearing something else I thought?
43:52
You got to be bringing that off because that's probably I could
43:55
probably discuss. He talking to mention mine Camp
43:57
from the podcast. My I have Sit at reading mine
44:00
Camp from time to time but I've never been in.
44:03
Are you opening? What am I grateful?
44:09
I'm rich. I'm done several books at once,
44:11
Luke. Which one were you referring to?
44:13
Well, you've got on here you that you read some Arthur C
44:15
Clarke? Oh yes.
44:17
Yes, I did read some Arthur C Clarke.
44:20
In fact, I'm still going. I'm reading the 2001 A Space
44:25
Odyssey book which I assume you were.
44:26
Okay. And I'll go out.
44:29
And I would say definitively this is better than the movie.
44:33
This is a because patterns. Yeah.
44:35
It correct. Yeah.
44:36
And the same stuff is implied, but it's described very well.
44:41
And in context, this is, this is excellent.
44:45
I appreciate 2001 A Space Odyssey as a piece of Cinema
44:49
history, but I don't actually enjoy watching it as a movie.
44:52
Is this. What's wrong with me?
44:54
This is very good. I like it but just not that.
44:58
I don't enjoy it. Yeah like fucking an orc.
45:02
Look that's all do it here. Look it but I don't enjoy it
45:06
because I quite liked 3001. Sure, you know.
45:09
Know, I plan to keep going. I plan to keep going.
45:13
This is good. I mean it did deviates from the
45:15
film in many ways to in ways that make much more sense of the
45:19
stuff that happens in the film. Well, especially because towards
45:22
the end when they because I writing the book and filming at
45:25
the same time towards the end Stanley, Kubrick just stopped
45:29
returning. Turning phone calls.
45:30
Yeah, you wouldn't like wouldn't share?
45:31
Do you only how we finish? Yeah, this is what I'm doing
45:35
now. And just, yeah, sort of just
45:37
yeah, forgot but I love because obviously standard cubic has
45:40
been very very secretive about that ending in any time.
45:44
Anyone's asked is like if you have to ask you've missed the
45:47
point, the point is not knowing what that ending is about.
45:49
Like the mystery is the point where as Lynch it, like there's
45:53
a recording of a radio interview with Kubrick on Japanese radio,
45:58
where the guy Is interviewer just doesn't understand what the
46:02
mystery is the point means. And so curing finally goes fine
46:07
I'll is this is just for Japan. I'll just fucking tell you what
46:09
happens and literally just spells out the end of it.
46:12
Yeah, right. Haha the unite.
46:16
Yeah, thank you. The into my favorite sort of
46:19
Hardcore science fiction authors because a lot of the stuff he
46:22
writes about he also ties back to actual science as well.
46:26
Yeah, I like that. He is a fucking Prophet.
46:29
What? Yearwood was this book written
46:31
in 60s, 70s to 60s, right? So a, they he, they reading
46:36
newspapers on what's essentially tablets iPads, right?
46:40
And he says the quicker. It was too for people to read
46:47
the news was directly proportional with the amount of
46:52
triviality that the news became so, and it's like a so true.
46:56
There's also one bit and this isn't even a plot point, they're
46:59
just spectacular. Relating shit.
47:01
That might happen and he says China, my engineer a virus and
47:05
spread it worldwide not to kill everyone.
47:08
But just to essentially blackmail, the World by charging
47:11
everyone for the vaccine for me. And I was like, holy shit.
47:18
Now that I think that's what covid-19.
47:20
But yeah, that's a crazy thing. That is something that could
47:23
actually happen in this day to other authors.
47:26
I feel like I like that are Ray Bradbury.
47:28
Yeah, to you. You can go back and read and
47:30
it's like, how did he know like how was he?
47:33
So not not not exactly. Correct but thematically
47:36
certainly on track and Isaac Asimov as well.
47:39
Yeah fucking genius. Like what a what a mind I bought
47:45
some books. You reminded me.
47:47
I had not on the podcast. I don't think I had a rent to
47:51
you about the xenomorph thing. Yeah.
47:54
Yeah. They're not called Xenomorphs
47:56
listeners. They're called alien.
47:58
They're just say I refer To a Xenomorphs least once or twice,
48:03
I'll stop you there. Bat.
48:04
There were two book calls a in a moss.
48:07
He's just, he's just a fancy douchebag waste, an alien.
48:10
No one else in that movie uses that word as the one time it's
48:13
used. No.
48:14
But people not in that movie Ripley calls them Xenomorphs in
48:18
the third one. I think you'll find.
48:21
Are you sure? I don't think that's true.
48:23
Hold on. Well, I'll find out.
48:25
That's why I know it was books while I was thinking that I did.
48:29
Some searching on that because I was trying to figure out like,
48:33
how did because the and I discovered one thing that annoys
48:36
me is that Ridley. Scott Credit in the credits for
48:40
alien, Covenant refers to it as xenomorph and I was like, well
48:43
I'm fucking doomed now if Ridley Scott's calling it that I'm
48:47
fucked. So yeah, you can't argue.
48:50
Yeah, but you can because George Luz, not installs pronounced at
48:54
at, and he's wrong about that. He seemed very wrong.
48:57
So, but anyway, so I was just looking Like that.
49:00
I saw something that said, you know, when Bishop crawls through
49:06
the pipe, right to to in Aliens Bishop calls with a pipe to use
49:11
a communications array to bring down the Dropship.
49:13
Yeah. And then they talking about how
49:15
it's going to be really dangerous.
49:16
They have to cut a hole and he goes to the pipe and they give
49:19
him a gun and they and he says, don't worry, I'm not stupid.
49:23
I only use this if I have to but you know and then we're led to
49:27
believe that he never encountered any is it all
49:29
because suddenly he's just there using the thing.
49:32
But apparently, there was a scene where he encounters an
49:37
alien, it's not in the film was never actually shot, but it's in
49:41
this book. Hey always.
49:44
At Ellen Dean Foster by that, it's somebody.
49:46
This is also a linear and Foster.
49:48
Okay, yeah, and this is also a linear.
49:50
Hey, so I've got Alien aliens and Alien 3 by Ellen, Dean
49:56
Foster. And I'm going to find out if
49:58
anyone says Xena Often there. Nobody, tonight's tie in film
50:03
fiction. Like Ellen, Dean Foster, man,
50:07
I'd love to meet him one, you know alive, yeah.
50:10
Yes, I think he is. Yeah, I think he did a Star Wars
50:14
book at least a couple years ago like you're right.
50:17
He did another station of force awakens in here.
50:19
Yeah, okay. Now that was probably 10 years
50:21
ago now but still yeah, yeah, it's certainly caused a lot of
50:25
confusion because I mean, I mean, he never came in and went
50:29
And I'm the xenomorph know my name is John xenomorph.
50:33
Yeah. Fuck another xenomorph then you
50:37
could be right. I just got have residual Trauma
50:40
from having an argument with somebody about it as a kid.
50:42
And so it literally makes my eye twitch when someone calls them
50:45
Xenomorphs because I'm like they're not called Xenomorphs.
50:49
Yeah just have you look to try and find you like we can find
50:52
something. There Ripley says it and
50:53
on-screen rent.com they just go through.
50:56
They don't say where she says it but there's just a whole thing
50:59
like Burke was trying to bring the scene of both home like the
51:01
old saying they say xenomorph throughout the article.
51:05
Right right. Yeah.
51:07
I mean they don't say Ewok in no doubt of the Jedi either so
51:13
anyone who actually thinks they're called Ewald a variety
51:15
of Us, Predator movies at. I think.
51:17
And all the certainly, all the books in the comics had like
51:20
took it. As that's what mystery, although
51:22
I think the somewhere they refer to as xenomorph and then a
51:25
number, which implies that there are others which means it does
51:27
just mean alien. But then, yeah, Yeah, it doesn't
51:30
matter. I just don't know why it makes
51:31
me so mad. That's yeah, yeah.
51:35
It's one of those things that gets under my skin.
51:37
For some reason. You like one of those guys that
51:39
when people go Frankenstein you go, oh the human in that book
51:42
Frankenstein. That does the frankness I know
51:43
that and I'm like, I'll say it for funsies but doesn't actually
51:46
annoy me when someone because the reason it came up this is
51:49
because I was at trivia. And one of the questions was it
51:52
was about named the alien species, and one of them was
51:54
that and I was like, I said to the everyone at the table, the
51:57
answer is getting write their name, right?
51:58
See the answer to I said rise in him off but then right, in
52:01
Brackets next to it, they're not cause dinner Moss.
52:03
Yeah. But by then, yeah.
52:05
And everyone's like, we talking about and Jenna's like don't ask
52:07
him. Yeah, just like that.
52:09
Let it read asked, Lance Henriksen.
52:12
Next time you see me? I think it's some of the books
52:14
and stuff. It's a xenomorph.
52:15
And then there's a number designation, because of,
52:17
depending on where the egg hatches.
52:19
Because remember, when the egg hatches depends on, which
52:22
species that they connect with changes the way that you, yes.
52:25
But there's also a part of that life, start cycle.
52:28
That doesn't make any sense because Was, what is the
52:30
Facehugger is? It is in the morph, it comes out
52:33
of the egg, then it gives birth to the xenomorph.
52:36
Okay, so so in this in from the books, every xenomorph will
52:40
carry one egg with them and so if there's no Queen around, they
52:44
will lay an egg and that if that Facehugger goes, that will
52:48
create the queen. And what is that face hugger?
52:50
There's their child like, is that my son when I not oh, hold
52:56
on, you're saying they're coming really responsible for that.
52:59
Thanks for everything. Everything Immortal carry one
53:02
egg. When you say carry an egg, you
53:04
don't mean carry to term look Carrie but they've got one ring
53:07
an egg from the backpack. Yeah.
53:09
No that's what I mean. Who laid the eggs?
53:12
Does the Queen Alia International League?
53:14
Don't know that species? Probably long gone because
53:16
you're gonna remember every time.
53:18
Yeah, species that xenomorph has that alien?
53:22
Yeah. Yeah.
53:23
Like that one, egg did technically becoming sort of a
53:26
new offer correct, which is why there's a fucking whatever.
53:29
Then goes where it goes and it goes off crested dog.
53:33
Well that's another thing, right?
53:34
That's just that's just something for subspecies.
53:36
They never said that explicitly in Alien 3 but like it at that
53:41
has became heavily implied it. Yeah.
53:43
That's what I wish. They'd just not sure she gets
53:45
this one's a bit different. Well, yeah, it's a bit doggy
53:48
differently. Yeah.
53:49
But yeah. You don't even so, the other
53:51
thing is this, this one alien, I'm interested to see what
53:53
happens at the end of this because based on what you were
53:55
saying in Alien, right? If you go on the DVDs, There's a
54:00
scene cut from the film for pacing reasons.
54:03
We're Ripley encounters Dallas. I think in the bowels of the
54:08
ship and he stuck to the wall, right?
54:11
And they're dissolving him to make the egg.
54:16
Oh, that's what they do that for.
54:18
Well, not anymore, right? Is it?
54:21
Because James Cameron change? Sure changed a lot.
54:25
Yeah, but originally that was what and if they it just if they
54:28
just hadn't cut that Seen out. He'll they'll the sequels would
54:31
be completely different because it be no Queen.
54:33
Yeah, yeah. That acid is to melt the person
54:37
and use the biological material into the egg into an egg.
54:41
Oh, that's fucking cool. We can watch that scene on the
54:44
DVD. I want to obliterate that.
54:47
Yeah. Yeah they literally cut it at
54:48
the last minute. The right foot four times.
54:50
Yeah. Okay.
54:51
I will I will Spritz Dallas. She talks to the Alien 3 video
54:56
game that they came out with for both the Super Nintendo.
55:00
And so I'm like God, which have completely different Studios,
55:04
made both of them, but both very, very good games, possibly
55:08
better than the movie at least better than the cinema cut.
55:12
I am. So, I like a leaf or a soft spot
55:14
for it. I don't know why.
55:15
Yeah, just away. No, no, it's good.
55:17
It's when the assembly cut right.
55:20
Is that what they call that version?
55:21
David Finch has first? Well I don't think he even did
55:24
that. I think he left well before in
55:27
fact I don't think he was still there when Lance Erickson was
55:30
there. I can't remember Benny.
55:32
It does seem to protect on weekly.
55:34
Could everyone just check their recordings quickly.
55:36
Sure. Cause I forgot to hit the back
55:38
up one. I'm really I'm checking out.
55:40
Okay, cool cool. Yeah, I've just hit the
55:42
recording on here, I forgot to hit the back up that.
55:46
Yeah and welcome to the show episode 500.
55:50
Here we go again. Like to intro the assembly cut.
55:56
I think it's called the assembly cut is much longer and has a
55:59
lot. Interesting religious stuff that
56:01
they cut out because it was all very Yes.
56:04
Monkey slow slow. Yeah.
56:06
And I like it but then I had never seen that movie at all and
56:11
we watch that version as he fucking hated it because it gets
56:14
things do happen, more than once.
56:16
Like I love you have to keep trying to get out and then they
56:19
captured again and it gets out. Yeah.
56:21
Correct. Yeah.
56:21
So that's that's what's boring about it?
56:23
Is you like how we did this but that scene where they've got the
56:26
motion sensor and machine guns is Fucking excellent.
56:30
When it's in the tunnel and they just ya hear those guns firing.
56:33
So they know it's coming towards them.
56:35
Like that wasn't in the theatrical cut and it is X.
56:38
It is a great set. That is yeah.
56:40
That makes a movie a million times better.
56:42
I just that that, yes in there. Yeah, you mean aliens or Alien
56:45
3? No Alien 3 early, and then have
56:48
machine guns in alien 3? I think you're talking about
56:51
aliens. This, no, no, there is three the
56:53
turrets and the fucking things in that bright and they don't
56:56
have any guns, an Alien 3. Am I thinking of aliens?
56:58
And I, it's all that. Yeah.
56:59
They lian's yeah, Alien 3 is the monks, they only have is like an
57:03
Axe and so they have to lure it using them as bait into the
57:08
Ironworks so they can download the oil.
57:09
Just the only way they could think of to kill it because they
57:11
don't have any weapons guns. Yeah you are correct.
57:16
I mean maybe there was maybe they did delete something good
57:19
but they definitely did because there's a whole scene where
57:22
there's a whole sequence in the assembly code of Alien 3, with
57:24
one of the little prisoners. But they've become religious
57:28
because they're on this Prison Planet.
57:29
They're almost like monks. And he were also, the first
57:32
draft that was just a monk planet and they built the sets
57:36
and then they fired the director and then they changed.
57:39
Yeah, it's a fucking mess there now prisoners.
57:42
So they one of them gets a bit nutso and scared and starts
57:47
work, decides. He's going to worship it and
57:48
then he lets it out of the cage, the prison area.
57:53
They've got an in, I think that's cut from the final one.
57:56
My favorite scene in the whole movie is when they're all in the
57:58
kitchen and they Making fun of Ripley.
58:00
Now look there's no fucking alien and it comes out of the
58:02
roof and grabs that guy and they often panic and it's like blood
58:06
flow from the ceiling. And then it goes all quiet and
58:07
that guy standing there with a chair.
58:09
And he goes fuck, just can't so good.
58:16
Yeah, looking for this fucking scene.
58:19
I mean, there's definitely a turret sequence in Aliens.
58:23
Yes, I thought that's what you were talking about.
58:25
Might have thought you're talking about as well.
58:27
Probably is Maybe I just need to sit down to watch the target
58:30
sequence. Now, can we get, can we avoid
58:35
sort of finish up? Move on.
58:36
Can we talk about just some more fault news that I just want to
58:39
get out there? Sure that Billy Mitchell.
58:43
Yes, because we've been talking about Billy Mitchell for
58:46
probably ten years at least like yeah we've been talking about
58:50
him since remember, when we were first talking about this went
58:52
after seeing the king of Kong the first time talking about how
58:56
that was sort of making me out to be a villain, In which he
58:59
sort of really and we were like, maybe it's biased.
59:02
Maybe he's not so bad. And then someone something awful
59:04
said, no he came to town and burn down a arcade because he
59:08
got mad at him and I was like is that yeah.
59:11
Yeah there's a lot of worries about him when we everyone Under
59:15
the Sun. Yeah.
59:17
When you when you Google Billy Mitchell, though comes up Billy
59:20
Mitchell restaurateur. Yeah.
59:22
Because he owns that. Is it a rib joint that he owns?
59:25
Yeah. Hot.
59:26
Yeah. He's crazy.
59:27
He owns a You businesses. I think he's got his hot sauce
59:30
and all that and B does. Yeah, a restaurant chain but
59:33
it's all week because he's actually sewing an Australian
59:36
YouTuber, is he calling? Yeah, because I forget his name
59:41
call someone but one thing like because he came out went like,
59:45
he's a cheater. Yeah.
59:47
Well, it's like so many people have but for some reason he
59:49
focused on this well, YouTuber, I mean he's been stripped of his
59:53
title. So I don't know why.
59:54
This one guy's saying that he's a cheater is for he'd also still
59:57
doing Twin Galaxies as well, is that he got caught, he got
1:00:03
caught cheating and then they were like, well he's probably
1:00:05
cheating the other times and he's like, prove it.
1:00:07
I'll sue you let it slide but then the internet went.
1:00:09
All right. They finally have proved because
1:00:13
the ones where he's film The 13 cities.
1:00:16
Filmed it. Well, I've got witnesses.
1:00:18
Who saw me the Witnesses are? He's friends?
1:00:20
Yes, very shady. Well, he is for the next that's
1:00:23
where it comes in today's news, because somebody has come up
1:00:27
with a photo Of of the alleged machine with him standing in
1:00:32
front of it, that he claims was the machine that we directly.
1:00:37
If he got her on that machine, which is still possible.
1:00:41
He still possible only got that school.
1:00:42
But machine do the whole thing with this comes down to he says
1:00:46
he got on a regional machine. Yes.
1:00:49
Machine that we got a photo of isn't original to assume a have
1:00:52
got the score. Yeah not the machine Central
1:00:55
Hospital big he he's still lying no matter what Yes.
1:00:58
Yeah it couldn't be case of he's not lying.
1:01:02
He's just really miss remembers. I mean that's very possible.
1:01:06
I'm big devil's advocate here. Yeah, I think you'd remember
1:01:10
someone yeah. Like nobody hears this joystick
1:01:13
on. It is very different when when
1:01:15
he was first hailed as the winner.
1:01:19
When Walter day, is it, Walter day from Twin Galaxies.
1:01:23
Was that was said, I'll hold on. Because was it?
1:01:26
We be John, we be If we can, we Steve wiebe.
1:01:29
Yes, Steve wiebe stop playing Donkey.
1:01:31
Kong and wipe my butt. Yeah.
1:01:34
When he has brought I can tell a lovely man, and a great day.
1:01:38
Yeah. When he broke the record and
1:01:41
then Billy Mitchell's just waltzed in with a VHS tape, God
1:01:44
not so fast, he is me beating it for another day.
1:01:48
Yeah but even since the day after that, when people have
1:01:53
been going through frame-by-frame going, oh there's
1:01:55
a little glitch here between the frame before.
1:01:58
Or it rolls over. Yeah.
1:02:00
Like it was always a b us and the fact that you know Billy
1:02:04
Mitchell looks like one of the most untrustworthy people you
1:02:08
could ever encounter and he's been and approve, a proof that
1:02:12
he cheated. Other games, it's sort of like
1:02:14
if you look at the thing is it's not like he's a bad player like
1:02:18
it's not like he's know what games or anything like it wasn't
1:02:22
heated, one of the first people to complete Pac-Man right?
1:02:24
I mean it perfect score. Yes he's an excellent place
1:02:27
achieved Yang's. Yeah.
1:02:28
No one's not saying that he's not, just maybe not the things
1:02:31
that he's claiming, he's achieved.
1:02:33
Yes, all of them. So, the it's quite interesting
1:02:37
to see where these lawsuits are going to go after this, because
1:02:39
he's whole thing goes off. Those are original hardware and
1:02:41
then here's a photo of the Event Viewer at which shows not
1:02:45
original heart. Yeah, the second generation
1:02:47
machine. It's not, why would you take a
1:02:49
photo in front of the machine? That was Michelle.
1:02:52
He probably didn't realize he was going to have to lie about
1:02:55
it later, you know? Yeah, yeah, correct correct,
1:02:59
Matt. Yeah, he hadn't worked out the
1:03:02
light yet. The whole thing about the
1:03:04
joystick that is showing is if it was on original Hardware, the
1:03:07
original joystick controller for Donkey Kong was for way.
1:03:11
So, up down left, right with the control, that it's on the
1:03:14
machine that we use, its eight way.
1:03:16
Mmm. So he goes like a nice anchor
1:03:18
doll. You can go diagonal, which could
1:03:21
give you an advantage? Hold on.
1:03:22
Can you go diagonally Donkey Kong again?
1:03:25
You've got the controller to sort of Click when you, when you
1:03:28
In the full white, you basically stop.
1:03:30
Oh, just right to me to go up activist sideways and jump in.
1:03:33
There is this way you can go up and right at the same time so
1:03:36
gives you you're not supposed to be able to do that in the
1:03:39
original. Zoe mean no clear?
1:03:40
Right? The One Direction.
1:03:42
Hmm, there you go. I love it.
1:03:44
I mean, I don't think it's been a response to it yet and I'm
1:03:47
dying to see what the rest are. Yeah, I'm glad.
1:03:49
I'm glad we can talk about him again.
1:03:50
I'm glad he's back in the news. Yeah.
1:03:53
Yeah. Before he disappears forever.
1:03:56
Is that a threat? I'd be worried if the 500th
1:03:59
episode of Live didn't threaten somebody.
1:04:01
That's yeah, that's right. Yeah, I mean, In this episode
1:04:05
anniversary episode is told. Kristen Stewart to go across the
1:04:08
hall. He's threatened a prominent
1:04:11
figure in doing the after he hasn't called us out for not
1:04:16
being woken up, but he will be. What if you're if you're a
1:04:19
patron or you'd like to become one, then you can join us in the
1:04:22
after party where Matt is going to explain to us why he stands
1:04:27
with JK Rowling after all the controversy.
1:04:34
I'm not saying Agree or disagree.
1:04:35
I can. I can tell already which side
1:04:37
looks going to come down on. Listen, I'm going to be the
1:04:39
tiebreaker to patreon know. I'm just laying the gasm.
1:04:42
See, I like the truth. I like Hogwarts Legacy.
1:04:45
The game is great. Now I thought well yeah you say
1:04:48
that. You can fight Anthony Rapp about
1:04:51
that. You can't say that but when they
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get as opposed to, some of them are gonna get some.com do it,
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but then go to patreon.com/scishow.
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People nerdgasm before we go, I do have one more thing I want to
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show you guys. It's the think something I
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noticed today, right? Hmm.
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I'm going to play a clip right now.
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You're going to know what this is right.
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You're about to hear this listeners anyway.
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Again, that's all for this week. Thank you for listening and we
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hope you enjoyed the show. You know that is obviously.
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Hmm. This is the original from the
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first episode that's all for this week.
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Sure what the fuck happened there?
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And when did that happen? You didn't replace that.
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You didn't see. There one day gone, that should
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be lower in pitch, and then play with it and swap it out of.
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I have no idea when that happened, maybe it's degraded
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over time. I have no idea.
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I'm no, that's not a real thing this to start writing.
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Wow. You know, and the funny thing is
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that we it's running out of batteries map because it's not
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in the blockchain. Yeah, we are.
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That's the machine learning version of it when we used to do
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fake endings to this podcast. We would also say, thank you for
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listening. Opening, which is actually not
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how that starts that's all for this week.
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Yeah. No.
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Because I skipped to the end, just to see what we said at the
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end, it wasn't very interesting. The ending of the first episode,
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by the way, we just trailed off and then played that have a copy
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of the first episode. You know, in fact, I think the
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reason we made that was because the ending of the podcast was
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just us talking and then we just stop talking.
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We just does like his know anything podcast over.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But then it came on and I was like, that sounds So different
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