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The Kenny Report | 27 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laree from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Labour's big spending is coming home to roost. Does the
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  Speaker 2: Reserve Bank have any option now but to increase rates?
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  Speaker 2: The Albenese labor government treats convicted felon Julian Asalms like
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  Speaker 2: a hero. Don't they take the US alliance and defense
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  Speaker 2: confidentiality seriously? The nuclear versus renewables debate. I'll get some
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  Speaker 2: expert input on both forms of energy. Also, Alexander Downer
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  Speaker 2: and our cut through panel with Mark Nicholson and Tim Blair.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi and his government are so far out of touch.
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  Speaker 1: With mainstream Australians it's not funny anymore.
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  Speaker 2: The country is crying out about the cost of living crisis.
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  Speaker 1: The inflation numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday just added to the worries, and they'll add to
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  Speaker 2: the problem too if they trigger another interest rate rise.
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  Speaker 2: But the Prime Minister thinks the biggest thing thing happening
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  Speaker 2: in this country is the return of a paranoid former
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  Speaker 2: computer hacker, the anarchist Julian Assange. If Albanezy actually thinks
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  Speaker 2: there are votes in this for him, I think he's
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  Speaker 2: sadly deluded.
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  Speaker 1: He probably won't even get a Sandja's.
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  Speaker 2: Vote, who'd be more likely to vote for the Greens
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  Speaker 2: or even end up voting for.
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  Speaker 1: Himself Watch that space.
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  Speaker 2: I warned last night I just had a feeling that
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister might try to insert himself into the
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  Speaker 2: theater around the arrival of assanj into Canberra, and I
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  Speaker 2: warned last night that.
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  Speaker 1: This would be wrong. But I sure as.
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  Speaker 2: Hell hope we don't have government ministers or the like
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  Speaker 2: joining this particular picture opportunity. I mean, imagine if the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister turns up wrestling with Rudd and Smith and
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  Speaker 2: Assans for the best optics. Surely not, that'd be the
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  Speaker 2: wrong way to welcome a convicted criminal who's been through
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  Speaker 2: a trauma of his own making and who has generated
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  Speaker 2: an enormous cop and strife for his nation. Well, he
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  Speaker 2: didn't turn up at the airport, but Albot made sure
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  Speaker 2: he was the first person to speak to Wassange after
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  Speaker 2: the landing while he was still on the plane, and
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  Speaker 2: he made sure that he told the world about it too,
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  Speaker 2: posting a picture and then calling a news conference when
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  Speaker 2: he should have been watching the state of Origin.
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  Speaker 3: I was pleased to speak with mister Osange, to welcome
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  Speaker 3: him home, and had the opportunity to ask about his
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  Speaker 3: health and to have my first discussion with him. He
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  Speaker 3: safe returned to Australia. Winnow meant so much to his family.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, this is for a convicted felon, a man who
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  Speaker 2: had just pleaded guilty to an espionage offense against our
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  Speaker 2: greatest ally, the United States. It was a crime against
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  Speaker 2: the interests of Australia as well as the United States.
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  Speaker 2: And Assange has not been maltreated by any government, or
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  Speaker 2: held against his will or denied justice. Quite the opposite. Assange,
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  Speaker 2: for more than a decade, has refused to answer chargers.
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  Speaker 2: First the sexual assault charges from Sweden, where's.
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  Speaker 1: The me too movement on that?
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  Speaker 2: And then the breach of classified information charges from the US.
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  Speaker 1: Assange could have answered the chargers and.
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  Speaker 2: Had his day in court more than five years ago
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  Speaker 2: on those counts, but he tried every trick to avoid it.
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  Speaker 1: He used every legal tool, and he put himself.
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  Speaker 2: In what was really a self imposed incarceration in the
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  Speaker 2: UK until he finally entered the guilty plea yesterday, and
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister treats him like a hero.
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  Speaker 1: I'd prefer to take the.
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  Speaker 2: Word of a real war correspondent Michael Ware, who reported
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  Speaker 2: from the front line for years in real combat situations
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  Speaker 2: in the Middle East, and had this to say this morning.
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  Speaker 4: I regard him as a trader in the sense that
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  Speaker 4: during a time of war, when we had American, British
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  Speaker 4: and Australian troops in the field under fire, Julian Ussan's
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  Speaker 4: published tros of unredacted documents. So that puts the soldiers
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  Speaker 4: at risk, That puts our methods and our methodology at risk,
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  Speaker 4: and it also puts the locals who were putting their
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  Speaker 4: lives on the line at risk.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, said Michael Ware.
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  Speaker 2: Or there's the former Army officer James Brown, who served
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  Speaker 2: in Iraq and Afghanistan before returning to chair the New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales RSL and now head up the Invictus Veteran's charity.
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  Speaker 2: He posted on Instagram today that Julian assanj isn't a hero,
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  Speaker 2: He isn't a journalist. He chose not to face due
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  Speaker 2: legal process in the US and Sweden and the UK.
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  Speaker 2: He risked the lives of Australian soldiers by his recklessness
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  Speaker 2: and caused the deaths of Afghans we worked with. By
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  Speaker 2: his indifference, they get no homecoming. Now this is powerful
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  Speaker 2: and telling stuff. Yet listen to this exchange last night,
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  Speaker 2: and there are.
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  Speaker 1: Many views about your massage. As you said, some do
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  Speaker 1: not regard as a hero.
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  Speaker 5: Do you think he was a germalist who was wrongfully
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  Speaker 5: pursued over what he did.
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  Speaker 3: Look I think that there will continue to be different
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  Speaker 3: views about Julian Assange and his activity. My role as
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister has been to firmly say that, whatever the
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  Speaker 3: views that people have, there was no purpose to be
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  Speaker 3: served this ongoing incarceration. And can I say that. When
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  Speaker 3: I spoke with mister Osange tonight he described it as
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  Speaker 3: a surreal and happy moment he's landing here in our
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  Speaker 3: national capital, Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: No, Prime Minister, your role is to say, indirect and
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  Speaker 2: unambiguous terms that while you might have been pleased to
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  Speaker 2: break the impasse and get Assange home, he is a
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  Speaker 2: convicted felon. He recklessly published classified information that damaged the
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  Speaker 2: interests of our key ally and damaged our interests too
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  Speaker 2: and put lives at risk. Prime Minister, It's not hard.
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  Speaker 2: You just have to stick to the facts and support
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  Speaker 2: the national interest and show some authority rather than trying
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  Speaker 2: to play to the weird coalition of loopy lefties and
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  Speaker 2: nutty right wingers who treat this bloke like a hero.
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  Speaker 2: Foreign Minister Penny Wong was just as bad.
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  Speaker 1: Foreign Affairs Minister Pennywong joined me earlier.
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  Speaker 6: I started by asking her if Juliana Sange is a
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  Speaker 6: martyr or a criminal.
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  Speaker 7: There are obviously a range of views about mister Sangent
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  Speaker 7: and his actions. What we believed was this matter had
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  Speaker 7: dragged on too long.
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  Speaker 2: There are a range of views. Well, what genius and
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  Speaker 2: what cowardice. It's a simple matter of fact. Assange is
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  Speaker 2: a criminal. He was convicted and sentenced for his criminal
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  Speaker 2: act publishing classified documents. He pleaded guilty himself. Yet we
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  Speaker 2: get only obfuscation from the government, the same government that's
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  Speaker 2: charged with gathering, receiving and protecting classified information and intelligence
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  Speaker 2: Right now, do they not take that responsibility seriously?
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  Speaker 1: Jackie Lamby gets it.
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  Speaker 8: Frey spooch is a great thing, but sometimes free speech
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  Speaker 8: puts other people's lives in danger, and that bothers me
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  Speaker 8: a lot. Say this, with all due respect, I really
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  Speaker 8: don't care about Julie as sane this morning, and I
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  Speaker 8: say that politely as I possibly can, but there is
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  Speaker 8: a lot of people doing it out there.
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  Speaker 2: Tough, and even the dripping wet Coalition spokesman on foreign
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  Speaker 2: Affairs got it right, showing more strength and certitude than
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  Speaker 2: the Prime minister.
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  Speaker 9: Yesterday, Julian Assange pleaded guilty in a United States court
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  Speaker 9: to charges under the US Espionage Act, and by nightfall
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  Speaker 9: he was welcomed home by the Australian Prime Minister. That
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  Speaker 9: just sends all of the wrong signals and is irresponsible
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  Speaker 9: and inappropriate of Anthony Albanezi.
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  Speaker 2: Spot on the lionizing of Assans from the political left,
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  Speaker 2: and of course the encouraged by some on the right
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  Speaker 2: is pathetic. This weird and misplaced fawning from the government
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  Speaker 2: will backfire on them. First in the here and now,
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  Speaker 2: it only confirms that they've got warped priorities. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: focusing on lowering inflation and the cost of living might
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  Speaker 2: be a better use of their time than fating a
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  Speaker 2: professional anarchist. And secondly, Asans will hardly go quietly into
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  Speaker 2: an anonymous life, we can expect his future will be
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  Speaker 2: highly political, whether it's media based or even in politics.
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  Speaker 2: And he's highly unlikely to favor mainstream political movements like
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  Speaker 2: the ALP, and nor is he likely to provide any
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  Speaker 2: support or comfort for US allies like Australia. In short,
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  Speaker 2: sometime in the future, perhaps the very near future, Labor
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  Speaker 2: will want to put distance between themselves and Assange, and
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  Speaker 2: they should have started that yesterday. I just want to
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  Speaker 2: return briefly to a point I made in passing earlier
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  Speaker 2: in the week, because it gets to the hearts of
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  Speaker 2: the warped priorities and nani state instincts of our government,
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  Speaker 2: especially those on the woke left, which sadly are in
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  Speaker 2: power now right across virtually the whole nation. It's worth
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  Speaker 2: noting and emphasizing that this was the week that our
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  Speaker 2: second largest state announced it will implement a pill testing
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  Speaker 2: trial using government funded health professionals at music festivals to
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  Speaker 2: provide free testing of illicit drugs for people who have
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  Speaker 2: obtained them illegally and intend to illegally and dangerously consume them.
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  Speaker 10: I've been speaking to other parents about this too. One
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  Speaker 10: of them put it simply. Young people are smart and
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  Speaker 10: they want information their kids get handed a pill at
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  Speaker 10: a festival. They want a medical professional who can tell
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  Speaker 10: them exactly what it is and exactly what it does
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  Speaker 10: without telling them it's safe. No judgment, just facts, honest,
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  Speaker 10: open health focused conversations. That's how we change young people's
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  Speaker 10: behavior and even reduce drug use. And that's all pill
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  Speaker 10: testing is about. It doesn't make pills legal, but it
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  Speaker 10: does keep people safe.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it might in those instances reduce the risks somewhat,
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  Speaker 2: but it doesn't make taking those drugs safe. There's no
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  Speaker 2: safe level and there's no safe pill. And that's the
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  Speaker 2: message from medical professionals who confirm that point of view,
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  Speaker 2: and it's one that the politicians are too spineless to deliver.
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  Speaker 2: So they offer testing which only encourages illicit drug consumption,
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  Speaker 2: which only lowers the barriers against illicit drugs, but which
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  Speaker 2: will never test most drugs and can never make any
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  Speaker 2: of these drugs safe.
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  Speaker 1: On the other hand, this is the same.
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  Speaker 2: Week that the federal government delivered laws to heavily regulate
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  Speaker 2: and restrict the consumption of the legal drug of nicotine
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  Speaker 2: through VAP, a drug that doesn't lead to immediate life
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  Speaker 2: threatening responses and which doesn't lead to risky behavior because
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  Speaker 2: of mind altering effects, but you will only be able
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  Speaker 2: to get vapes from a chemist.
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  Speaker 11: It will from the coming Monday outlaw the sale and
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  Speaker 11: the supply of vapes outside of the pharmacies. The Therapeutic
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  Speaker 11: Goods Administration has issued very clear standards for the type
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  Speaker 11: of vape that will be able to be sold in
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  Speaker 11: Australia as a therapeutic product. It will have a prescribed
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  Speaker 11: nicotine content. It has prescribed contents on chemicals. It is
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  Speaker 11: designed to be pharmaceutically style packaged, not presented as a
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  Speaker 11: recreational product that is attractive to kids.
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  Speaker 2: This drug of nicotine in vape form, which is detrimental
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  Speaker 2: to long term health, will be sold exclusively by pharmacists
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  Speaker 2: who are there to promote good health work that one out.
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  Speaker 2: The nanny state governments, in their woke recreational drug mode,
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  Speaker 2: want to make it easier to consume dangerous illegal drugs.
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  Speaker 2: But the same nanny state governments give us new laws
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  Speaker 2: to make it harder to consume legal drugs that have
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  Speaker 2: harmful of impacts that are far less dramatic. These people
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  Speaker 2: stand for nothing. They have no organized principles. They only
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  Speaker 2: do what they think is popular. They go with the
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  Speaker 2: zeitgeist or the meme of the day. Which means they
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  Speaker 2: have no consistent framework, their left hand has no idea
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  Speaker 2: what their right hand is doing, and invariably they inject
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  Speaker 2: more government into more.
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  Speaker 1: Aspects of our lives.
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  Speaker 2: Because Heaven help anyone accepting personal responsibility, these intrusive governments
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  Speaker 2: can only make matters worse.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to Canberra now and catch up with Keith Pitt, the.
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  Speaker 2: Former ZURS minister and a national ZMP. Good to speak
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  Speaker 2: to you, Keith. The cost of living a big focus today.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi and Jim Chalmers seem to think things are
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  Speaker 2: taken a long way okay, and all their energy handouts
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  Speaker 2: and tax cuts next week they're going to fix everything.
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  Speaker 1: What's your view?
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  Speaker 12: Firstly, Chris congratulations in the U South Wales Blues.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. They deserve to win. But to come
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  Speaker 1: to the issue of the.
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  Speaker 12: Day, it's all noise, it's all spin. I mean, Jim
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  Speaker 12: bow leans on the dispatch box like in some little
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  Speaker 12: Paul Keating and believes.
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  Speaker 1: That what he says is true. It's just not.
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  Speaker 12: We've seen increases in inflation. We now have a significant
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  Speaker 12: risk that interest rates will increase. That will damage even
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  Speaker 12: further all those people struggling to pay their mortgage, and
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  Speaker 12: the cost of everything is up, and it's all because
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  Speaker 12: of labor policies, particularly on energy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll come to energy in a moment, but they
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  Speaker 2: could generally talk about all these measures and spending that
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  Speaker 2: they're saying is tackling costs of living, but they don't
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  Speaker 2: seem to understand that their spending is actually fueling the inflation.
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  Speaker 1: Said that's heightening the crisis.
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  Speaker 12: Well, labor budgets have committed more than three hundred and
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  Speaker 12: fifteen billion dollars in additional spending, and they're claiming that, oh,
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  Speaker 12: you know, a lot of that is increases in the
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  Speaker 12: pension and new start and everything else, and all of
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  Speaker 12: that is true. But the reason they're going up is
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  Speaker 12: because inflation is not under control, and inflation is tied
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  Speaker 12: directly to what's paid.
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  Speaker 9: To those individuals.
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  Speaker 12: And then you've got handouts trying to cover the enormous
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  Speaker 12: increases in electricity prices.
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  Speaker 1: In particular, they go to Queensland cris.
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  Speaker 12: Where they're going to give all electricity users a one
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  Speaker 12: thousand dollars rebate because they couldn't control what was going
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  Speaker 12: on at Callid power station and went bang. It's shortened
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  Speaker 12: the market now. The price has been way overs for
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  Speaker 12: a very very long time, in fact years, and they're
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  Speaker 12: going to take the taxpayers money that they took off
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  Speaker 12: them to give back to them because they can't buy
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  Speaker 12: the huge prices for electricity that they caused.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, along with the federal rebates as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's the one thing governments could do to help the
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  Speaker 2: country more than anything else is get on top of
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  Speaker 2: the electricity system and lower prices.
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  Speaker 1: They promise to do it, they do the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: I have more on I'm going to have more on
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  Speaker 2: with other guests on energy today, but it's clear that
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  Speaker 2: they're making the situation worse rather than better. I want
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  Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on Julian Assans because it's a
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  Speaker 2: weird situation. We have some right wing politicians, even in
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  Speaker 2: your own party. Matt Canavan, I know he's a big
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  Speaker 2: supporter of Julian as Suns, but it's mainly the loopy left.
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  Speaker 2: It's mainly the Greens and the ABC and the rest
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  Speaker 2: of them who see this guy as some sort of
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  Speaker 2: a champion. Do you think that Anthony Albanezi went way
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  Speaker 2: too far by injecting himself as Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 1: Into the arrival, making himself like the Arrival Committee.
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  Speaker 12: Prime Minister Albanezi unfortunately, in my view, thought that this
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  Speaker 12: would be good for him and good top marks for
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  Speaker 12: him from people who are watching. And look, I congratulated
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  Speaker 12: the ASSAE team when the news broke, but that is
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  Speaker 12: simply on the basis that as an Australian citizen, he
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  Speaker 12: was entitled consul of support and an outcome after something
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  Speaker 12: that ran for fourteen years.
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  Speaker 1: But he is no hero, not Robin Hood. He's not
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  Speaker 1: a hero of the people.
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  Speaker 12: And as you said at the outset, he's actually now
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  Speaker 12: a convicted criminal. So the'sclear that he should be celebrated
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  Speaker 12: and he shouldn't be celebrated in the way that's happening. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 12: congratulate DEFAT for doing what they should do for Australian
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  Speaker 12: citizens across the world, and that is what we expect.
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  Speaker 12: That's one of the great benefits of being Australian.
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  Speaker 2: Look, look, I've said before and I'll say it again,
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  Speaker 2: I congratulate Anthony Albernezi and he's government for organizing him
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  Speaker 2: back here in that way. It was the best way
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  Speaker 2: to do it through a plea bargain. But then to
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  Speaker 2: treat him like a hero gets it all wrong, I'm
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  Speaker 2: afraid yeah, and just on the footy yet I did
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  Speaker 2: watch that last night and New South Wales looked bloody good,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm looking forward to that decider in Queensland.
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  Speaker 1: That should be cracker. Thanks for joining Usir.
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  Speaker 2: Keith Pitt, who of course is a Queensland Let's get
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  Speaker 2: onto energy issues now too and catch up with Jasmin
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  Speaker 2: Dab who's with the Global Nuclear Security Partners Australia. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for joining us again at Jasmine. This debate is really
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: getting heated. It's been prominent every day of the week
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  Speaker 2: in question time today, which please you? No, Inen, do
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  Speaker 2: you think the debate is focusing on costs and the
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: time of a rollout is focused on the central issues?
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  Speaker 13: No, I really don't. I am excited that Australians are
• 18:15
  Speaker 13: talking about nuclear but I still feel we are being
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  Speaker 13: hamstrung by the current legislative restrictions on it, which means
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  Speaker 13: that we're delaying decisions by talking about things like cost
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  Speaker 13: when really what we need to be doing is removing
• 18:31
  Speaker 13: the bands and having a good analysis about what works
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  Speaker 13: well in our energy mix, and we need the right
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  Speaker 13: professionals to do that, and those professionals a lot of
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  Speaker 13: them work for government agencies. They're hamstrung and can't get
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  Speaker 13: the data that they need to do the analysis. We
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  Speaker 13: need to see what nuclear would look like in an
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  Speaker 13: Australian energy system.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is critical, and this is where
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  Speaker 2: the couple of organizations and a lot of advocates are focusing.
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  Speaker 1: Get rid of the ban.
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  Speaker 2: If labor really believe their own retric about costs and
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  Speaker 2: delays and being agnostic really about technology, they ought to
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: agree to get rid of the band. If you scrap
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: the band, then that will allow commercial propositions to come
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  Speaker 2: forward and government.
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  Speaker 1: Authorities to actually look at alternatives.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, exactly right. We're not going to have commercial nuclear
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  Speaker 13: entities even bother looking at the Australian market when there's
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  Speaker 13: a legislative restriction to do that. So a simple act
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  Speaker 13: of removing the ban allows us to get the information properly,
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  Speaker 13: do the proper analysis, and if at the end of
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  Speaker 13: the day it isn't economically viable for Australia, then we
• 19:40
  Speaker 13: have that evidence to do that. At the moment, a
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  Speaker 13: lot of the cost analysis is being plucked from overseas projects.
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  Speaker 13: Those projects are not the same as running a project
• 19:50
  Speaker 13: in Australia. We have different regulators, we have different supply
• 19:54
  Speaker 13: chains and systems, and so removing those strings through the
• 19:59
  Speaker 13: LEDG sort of ban will allow us to decent have
• 20:03
  Speaker 13: a decent analysis of the nuclear problem in Australia.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, spot on.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Let me just show you something that the Environment Minister
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Tanya Plibuse sit in Parliament today.
• 20:13
  Speaker 14: We know that the nuclear fantasy proposed by those opposite
• 20:18
  Speaker 14: is too slow and it's too expensive. We know it's
• 20:22
  Speaker 14: too expensive. We know it's too expensive.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Look this cracks me up the too slow, too expensive line,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: because we're now we have a new an electricity grid
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: in crisis because the renewables transition is both too expensive
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: and too slow.
• 20:40
  Speaker 13: Yeah, you're right, And this is where are we making
• 20:45
  Speaker 13: decisions based off cost or are we making decisions based
• 20:48
  Speaker 13: off what's best for the Australian energy market? And I
• 20:52
  Speaker 13: would say that at the moment we really don't know
• 20:55
  Speaker 13: what we're making decisions on and the excuse of cost
• 20:59
  Speaker 13: is being hit and behind analysis that hasn't had a
• 21:03
  Speaker 13: detailed look at what real nuclear costs look like. They
• 21:07
  Speaker 13: are hand picking programs that have gone over budget, programs
• 21:11
  Speaker 13: that have taken longer, but ignoring programs that have gone
• 21:14
  Speaker 13: really well, and I use the UAE as a really
• 21:17
  Speaker 13: great example. They went from a zero to now quite
• 21:20
  Speaker 13: successful large nuclear power production quite quickly, and I think
• 21:26
  Speaker 13: Australia has the capacity to do that. But we need
• 21:29
  Speaker 13: to allow the professionals to have a look at this
• 21:32
  Speaker 13: and plan it properly and in detail.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Well exactly.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: We've got the opportunity to learn and see which countries
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: have done a best and basically by reactors off the shelf,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: which I think the Emirates did. I think they bought
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: in a Korean plant that was constructed with them on
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: time and on budget. As you say, this is the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: point if these criticisms about nuclear being such a failed
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: technology so inappropriate. You look at Korea, you look at
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: the Emirates, you look at Finland, you look at Sweden.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: When you look at the.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: UK, the US, France in particular, China, Taiwan, Japan, these
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: countries are not economic basket cases, and they're actually looking
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: to triple the nuclear output because.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: They know it does the job they need.
• 22:18
  Speaker 13: Yeah, that's right, and they are investing in their industry
• 22:22
  Speaker 13: and I think this is a real missed opportunity for Australia.
• 22:25
  Speaker 13: If we want to take Australian manufacturing, mining, the resources
• 22:30
  Speaker 13: sector seriously, we need to give them the power to
• 22:33
  Speaker 13: be able to do that. And unfortunately renewables don't provide
• 22:38
  Speaker 13: a lot of the thermal power output that these industries need,
• 22:42
  Speaker 13: and so we need to provide an option that is
• 22:44
  Speaker 13: still going to achieve our net zero climate goals. But
• 22:48
  Speaker 13: at the moment we're not even considering nuclear, which I
• 22:51
  Speaker 13: think is a really missed opportunity.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got to keep on it. Thanks for joining us, Jasmine,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Jasmindab there, who's with Global Nuclear Security Partners,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Live from Perth. Don't go away after the break. Tim
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Blair and Mark Nicholson More chaos at one of the
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: world's largest coal terminals. Does Donald Trump issues a wild
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: demand to Joe Biden.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Tim from the Daily Telegraph, Mark Nicholson from a step
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Mate studio is good to talk to you guys. I'm
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: going to go straight to our great mate Johannah Leek
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: because I wanted to talk about Alberize's bad political judgment
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: and johannass He's put his finger right on on.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: The pulse as usually. Have a look at this.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: He's got a homeless shelter there where they're handing out
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: free meals for the poor and the homeless, and Albot
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: walks into his great news everybody, I freed Chillian the
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: sons Mark, do you reckon that Albo's picked the political
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: winner here?
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: I reckon, he's absolutely noted here. There's a part of
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: my conspiratorial mind that that truly did. When I saw
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: that Julianassage was released, I was like, isn't it funny
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: that the Democratic Party is struggling, the Alps struggling. I
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: really just hope that when Julian Assange gets back now
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: that he just immediately starts releasing all of the document's
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: phone calls and correspondence that led up to all the negotiations,
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: because I reckon, there's in there.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: It will be yeah, exactly.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: He benefited from all that confidentiality, the dealing to get
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: him out.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Now he should dump it all out there.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: But tim on the politics of this, can you imagine
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: after the next interest rate rise because of labor not
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: controlling inflation, Bager, the mortgage has gone up again, but
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: at least Julian is free.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I don't think the top one hundred concerns
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: for most Australians would have it anywhere in it anything
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: about Julian Assange other than can we please stop hearing
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: about what kind of crazy hero this Moontan freak happens
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: to be, which is all garbage. We've got pieces in
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: the Telegraph tomorrow and in coming days pointing out just
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: how flawed a character Julian de SiGe is and what
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: a dodgy operation he was running at wikiles. Yeah, yeah,
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: this is this is very much an inner city thing.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: This is a pretty much of a pattern with other
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: things that Albert has done. And yeah, he's broadcasting a
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: lot of it's maybe tactically he's broadcasting to the Greens mate.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, he speaks pictiing for the Green vote. It's unbelievable,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: which means these guys I'm about to show might might
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: like Alba as well. This is the latest blockade action
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: to stop coal exports from newcast I'll have a look
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: at their own material.
• 25:36
  Speaker 15: Australia has destroyed and continues to destroy existing cultures and landscapes.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: It's been e looting and plumber.
• 25:47
  Speaker 15: What's happening has become so serious that I think I
• 25:51
  Speaker 15: need to take some action.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: It looked great, It looked sounded great until he started talking.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: But Australia's we're destroying us and have it? I mean,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: has this guy got not any idea of the.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Role that reliable electricity and energy has played in civilization
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: and the prosperity, health and education of billions around the world.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Mark mate that.
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: And you know, if it wasn't for coal royalties, you
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: know that's probably that's what's paying for the centilink, for
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: these people to have the days off or the years
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: off that they've had to be able to go out
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: there and lay in front of in front of train lines.
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: And plus it's the hypocrisy of it that gets me
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: as well as a train's electric And then now everyone's
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: diverted onto buses which are big gas guzzlin petrol nasty
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: things like they're now complicit in destroying their country. These
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: people should be blamed. Let's film a nice video about them.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at another one of the of
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: the blockade crew.
• 26:53
  Speaker 13: Will be stopping the massive cold trade and all the
• 26:57
  Speaker 13: ones stood behind it from getting.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: To the port.
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: You can't have infinite growth on a finite tament.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Look, this is what crackhs me up though, Tim. It
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: just infuriates me.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Some nutter decides, you know, some slogan about infinite growth
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: on a finite planet, so we have to stop the
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: coal traine. So it's their little idea and they it
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: can impose their wishes on the rest of the country.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: They don't care who they put out of a job, or.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Who they delay, or who they inconvenience.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: The arrogance of them and then they go to court
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and they're give it a seven hundred dollar fine.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well we should remind them a lot of things
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: don't happen on a dead planet, such as really crappy
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: folding chairs that are made out of Chinese metal and
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: plastic plastic sheet. You know, there's that sort of issue.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, there was another we saw the other day
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: when there was that protest at the PGA golf in
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: the US, and people are actually wearing t shirts saying
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: no golf on a dead planet. As people with functioning
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: memories pointed out online, human beings have actually played golf
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: on the Moon, So yes, we can play golf on.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: A dead planet.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: At the top you do, and your drive goes about
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: fifty percent longer.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: So it's just brilliant.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: Now that first clip you showed that Mark was talking
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: about it looks very much like if it had been
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: shot in the seventies, it would have would have had
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: a Jack Thompson voice over Great PhD was.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: You're right, we're building a bigger country.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: You get on board.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: But now, yeah, now this we love to have a
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: look at the electric vehicle thing.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: In the around Sydney is a whole bunch of local
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: councils were having to stop people plug it in their
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: electric cars because they're running extension cords across the driveway.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: You go for a walk at night or a jog
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: and you're tripping over power lines. Mark this, you know
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: where the electric vehicles well and good if you've got
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: somewhere to charge them, but they're not very practical in
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of locations.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we've got plenty of them down in my neck
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: of the woods in the city of Year they've got
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: them running up and down trees. This is actually quite
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: a sophisticated rig. This bokes guy Apparently it cost him
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: about a thousand bucks to try and circumnavigate the council regulations,
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: and now that he's gotten pinged for it, he's just
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: full of this ridiculous entitlement. I'm thinking about running a
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: garden hose up to the local BP up the road
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: and seeing how long that lasts.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Probably a couple of minutes. In the city of I'll
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: get arrested.
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I might get the chair in the city of
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: yarraw for that.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: They are, of course, all these cars at the moment,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: primarily coal fired cars. You want to get stickers and
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: whacked out on the local testla the coal fired car.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the US where the debate, of course
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: will be on eleven o'clock tomorrow morning, and watch it
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: here on Sky with Biden versus Trump. And have a
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: look at this tweet from Donald Trump. But he's out
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: there again. He says he wants a drug test for
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: crackhead Joe, and he crooked Joe. So crooked Joe he
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: suggested before the crackheads the Sun Joe's the father of
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: and Donald says he'd be happy to have a drug test.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: They reckon he's going to be high on elephant juice
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: or something to get through the debates him.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: Well, look at any person of his age and have
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: to be on a few tablets. That's that would apply
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: to I think both both the candidates. They're gentlemen of
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: certain digits, so you know, I think they'd be on
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: some legitimate and helpful tablets. But you'd want to look
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: for a few of the few of the screwier alternatives there,
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: especially with Joe who he's been I think in debate
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: camp for nearly all week. You know, who's running the country.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter, you know, he's got a debate to
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: come up, but it's going to be fascinating to see.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: And there should be drug tests. We drug test just
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: about everyone these days, and any kind of endeavor. Let's
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: let's give those guys a shot.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I think a drug test would be interesting, Mark because
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I think it would reveal that Biden's on uppers, and
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I reckon that have Trump on some downers.
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I want to know what Biden's on because
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: I reckon it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Would be wild. It's just this.
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: Maybe it's just the sun disappear in a bit. But
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: whatever their does, and Joe on, I want it for a.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Game of that. It's Adrenochrome.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I'd rather have whatever Coumala Harris is on because Jesus Now,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: now I want to go to sacrilege. Now you're both
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: speaking to me from Victoria and you're both sensible. Ossie rules, Men,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: was this sacrilege to have this on the fc MCG
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: last night?
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this clip.
• 31:27
  Speaker 16: Well, he got one in game one and this will
• 31:29
  Speaker 16: show it beautifully. Look at the rotation of the ball
• 31:32
  Speaker 16: there times at the perfection lomax up above a stationary
• 31:37
  Speaker 16: Murray tow, luggy grips of foot he slams it down
• 31:42
  Speaker 16: at What a moment for New South Wales.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the commentator says, they call that a specky,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: and Asie rules.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: That's not a specky. That's just straightforward over here. Mark,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Actually it's not.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: You're going to sit on the shoulders be a specky
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and you guys don't do that.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: But it was a cracking game.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: My money, Joe about sacrilege, but I love Melbourne, Mark,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: ninety thousand people turn up and it was a hell
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: of a spectacle.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Apparently I didn't I realize it was not at all.
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: People were talking about the flintstrant stations lit up in
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: red and blue, and they thought the cops were in town.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: They had no idea what was going on. But now
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: it was very nice.
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: Did you notice how small the pitch looked inside the
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: MCG You know, because ordinarily there's athletes running around on
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: there with AFL games. So it was nice that these
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: guys could get out there and have a little crack
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: with their little game.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Good luck.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, while you were busy running your garden hose down
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: to the local servo. All right, thanks for joining us, guys.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: We'll catch you later on catch you next week. Really
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: appreciate Tim Blair there and Mark Nicholson's got to get
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to the break on the other side of this.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I'm going to catch.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Up with an expert on renewable energy and find out
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: how much it's actually going to cust us. Let's get
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: back to the cost of living debate and the economy. Inflation,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: of course, is on the way back up, jumping to
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: four percent yesterday, and it's only going to get worse
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: with the government's cost of living measures tax cuts and
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: power bill Ray rebates cut.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Kicking in next week.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: But according to the Treasure of Jim Chalmers. It's all
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: sunshine and rainbows here he is in question time today.
• 33:19
  Speaker 17: The monthly inflation data that we got yesterday is a
• 33:23
  Speaker 17: time to reminder of why it is so important that
• 33:26
  Speaker 17: we provide this substantial but responsible cost of living relief.
• 33:30
  Speaker 17: It's also why it's so important, as the Prime Minister
• 33:33
  Speaker 17: said a moment ago, that we have turned two big
• 33:36
  Speaker 17: liberal deficeits into two labor surpluses and as the Governor
• 33:41
  Speaker 17: of the Reserve Bank has said, that is helping in
• 33:43
  Speaker 17: the fight against inflation.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, either doesn't get her or he's playing dumb.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Let me bring in University of New South Wales economics
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: professor Gigi Foster again.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Gigi, thanks for joining us. I wanted to get you
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: back because you were predicting all this. You've said that this.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Government's heading and down an inflationary pat Chamas seems to
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: think that just because he's clocking up a surplus, then
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: he's not spending too much, no matter how much extra
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: spending he's put in there. Surely these interest rates, sorry,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the inflation rate yesterday vindicates what you were suggesting.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Do you fear that it's only going to get worse?
• 34:20
  Speaker 18: I do, Unfortunately, Chris, and I don't like to say that,
• 34:23
  Speaker 18: but I do think it's much more likely we'll now
• 34:26
  Speaker 18: have another hike before the end of the year than
• 34:28
  Speaker 18: it is that we'll certainly have a decline in rates,
• 34:30
  Speaker 18: which some people were predicting at the beginning of the year.
• 34:33
  Speaker 18: And I think it could be even worse than the
• 34:35
  Speaker 18: numbers are showing, because, as we know, CPI only measures
• 34:38
  Speaker 18: certain things. It only has a particular basket, It doesn't
• 34:41
  Speaker 18: adjust for things like shrinkflation, it doesn't include certain kinds
• 34:44
  Speaker 18: of expenditure items, interest payments, some kinds of insurance, all
• 34:48
  Speaker 18: sorts of things like this. And what we're finding in
• 34:50
  Speaker 18: other countries, particularly in the US that I follow, is
• 34:53
  Speaker 18: that some of the official statistics have gotten a bit
• 34:55
  Speaker 18: wonky recently because things have been so changing, They've been
• 34:59
  Speaker 18: so erupted, and it's kind of hard for the national
• 35:02
  Speaker 18: statistical agencies to keep up. So I'm not even sure
• 35:05
  Speaker 18: that we should trust the CPI as a really reliable
• 35:09
  Speaker 18: measure of inflation. And it certainly doesn't reflect every household's
• 35:12
  Speaker 18: experience either, because as we know, we've had increasing inequality,
• 35:16
  Speaker 18: some households will really be feeling the pinch a lot
• 35:18
  Speaker 18: more so. Yeah, I do think it's going to get worse,
• 35:20
  Speaker 18: and I think Michelle Bullock really has a tough task.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: On her hands.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Does she have any other option really that we know
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: they looked at increasing interest rates last time round. With
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: these inflation figures, surely she's in a situation where she
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: can't afford not to act pretty much.
• 35:36
  Speaker 18: And if you look at the employment data as well,
• 35:38
  Speaker 18: which is another big indicator of whether the economy is
• 35:41
  Speaker 18: running hot and needs to cool down, pretty much every
• 35:44
  Speaker 18: formal indicator is looking very very healthy quote unquote. In
• 35:48
  Speaker 18: other words, the labor force participation rate is high, unemployment
• 35:52
  Speaker 18: is low, employment to population looks very healthy. So it's
• 35:56
  Speaker 18: just very difficult to see weakness in the economy, which
• 35:59
  Speaker 18: is what she need to be able to point to
• 36:01
  Speaker 18: if she's actually not going to raise rates.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Well, the other big question, and there's divided opinion on this,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I'm keen to get your insights, and that is these
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: energy rebates that are going out next week. Jim Charmers
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: and Anthony Albertezi say these will be anti inflationary because.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: The money is going to the energy company.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: So therefore, apart from the giving relief to households, they
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: actually nominally lower the cost of electricity. But the other
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: argument is this still free up money for households who
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: are feeling it tough and therefore will spend that extra money,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: therefore fueling inflation. Which of those two scenarios is likely
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: to play out well.
• 36:41
  Speaker 18: I actually think that there are other options other than
• 36:44
  Speaker 18: the energy rebate that could be considered that directly reduce
• 36:48
  Speaker 18: pressure on household without being as inflationary because it doesn't
• 36:51
  Speaker 18: circulate money right back into the economy.
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: Like how about the fuel tax.
• 36:55
  Speaker 18: Yeah, rebate, that would be an idea, because that's just
• 36:58
  Speaker 18: taking money away from the government, and we know we
• 37:00
  Speaker 18: need a smaller government, right The government has totally overreached
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  Speaker 18: its remit and that's one of the major causes of
• 37:06
  Speaker 18: this continued and unfortunately, I think somewhat entrenched now inflation
• 37:10
  Speaker 18: that we've been seeing again. That's another thing that Michelle
• 37:12
  Speaker 18: Bullock is worried about, is that we are all adjusting
• 37:14
  Speaker 18: our expectations to our higher than three percent inflation rate.
• 37:17
  Speaker 18: That's really bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a few rebate cuts will be a very, very director,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: a quick and easy way, as you say, to transfer
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: money from government to people who really need the cash.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, GESSE, appreciate it.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Gigi Foster there always talks a lot of straight sense
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: on the economy. I want to get some factual expert
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: analysis on the renewable energy transition and the nuclear option
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  Speaker 2: now too, from Aiden Morrison. He's the Energy program director
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  Speaker 2: at the Center for Independent Studies.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program, Aidan.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I want to draw our attention back to the report
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  Speaker 2: that came out from the Energy Market Operator yesterday a EMO,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: their system plan for getting to the renewables nirvana. First up,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: this DOCU said that it will cost one hundred and
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: twenty two billion dollars extra from now to twenty fifty.
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  Speaker 1: Is that figure credible? No, it's not.
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  Speaker 19: And if you read the fine print and scroll to
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  Speaker 19: the bottom of the page of the press release on
• 38:16
  Speaker 19: an Email's website, you'll find the exclusions printed there, and
• 38:19
  Speaker 19: they actually tell you that we can just bring it
• 38:20
  Speaker 19: up on anticipated projects.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was just going to bring that up
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  Speaker 1: on stright now.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: It says this one hundred and twenty two billion value
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: includes transmission, augmentation, utility scale, generation and storage CAPEX, but
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: it does not include the cost of commissioned committed or
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: anticipated projects consumer energy resources, or distribution network upgrades. So
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: all these planned offshore and onshore wind programs and solar farms,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: they're not counted. Neither are all the countless millions of
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: solar panels and batteries that are going to need to
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: go onto people's houses.
• 38:57
  Speaker 19: Well, there's a few both ways. The theoretic the future
• 39:01
  Speaker 19: offshore wind farms should be in that figure because that's
• 39:04
  Speaker 19: a generator capital. But the big ones, which is the
• 39:07
  Speaker 19: upgrades for example, to get those power cords off the
• 39:10
  Speaker 19: city streets, huge upgrades required to the distribution network to
• 39:13
  Speaker 19: get electric vehicles supported, none of that's costed. All of
• 39:17
  Speaker 19: the solar panels and all the consumer owned batteries, none
• 39:19
  Speaker 19: of that's costed. That will come to hundreds of billions
• 39:22
  Speaker 19: of dollars in the model the ISP, this integrated system plan,
• 39:27
  Speaker 19: actually the largest part of the storage by capacity is
• 39:30
  Speaker 19: these consumer energy resources.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: So this plan, this.
• 39:33
  Speaker 19: One hundred and twenty two billion dollars, it actually misses
• 39:35
  Speaker 19: out some of the largest components. Likewise, solar panels are
• 39:39
  Speaker 19: a very very large part of the generation capacity not
• 39:42
  Speaker 19: costed at all, and as well, all those committed projects
• 39:45
  Speaker 19: things like Snowy Hydro two point zero twelve billion dollars
• 39:49
  Speaker 19: not costed, Central wester I Rana Renewable Energy Zone five
• 39:52
  Speaker 19: billion dollars not costed. Same thing goes with things like
• 39:55
  Speaker 19: the committed pumped hydropprojects in Queensland renewables link huge transmission
• 40:02
  Speaker 19: pump tider approach.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: It's just simply not including the cost.
• 40:04
  Speaker 19: So it never did come anywhere near the full cost
• 40:07
  Speaker 19: of the renewable transition, and it's been outrageous that it's
• 40:09
  Speaker 19: been presented as such. You just have to read the
• 40:11
  Speaker 19: fine print to get a better understanding of what's going on.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Or I want to put up a.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Graph now that shows where the a EMO sees most
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: of our energy coming from, Where it comes from, now, where.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: It's going to by twenty nine p. Fifty.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Of course, looking the green and the yellow, there is
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: wind and solar. Two points about this, they're claiming that
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: we can get to eighty two percent renewable energy. And
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: when you look at that graph also the tiny amount
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: of gas generation that's involved there a is it plausible
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: for us to.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Get to that amount of renewable energy?
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: And secondly, how can it be reliable with so little
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: gas there to firm it up.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Look, great question.
• 40:57
  Speaker 19: And the first thing to say about this graph is
• 40:58
  Speaker 19: that it shows this is the It's not actually trying
• 41:01
  Speaker 19: to say that's likely. It's simply saying what would have
• 41:04
  Speaker 19: to happen to meet the targets. And this is the
• 41:07
  Speaker 19: first year that the eighty two percent renewable energy target
• 41:10
  Speaker 19: is imposed on every version of reality the model considers.
• 41:14
  Speaker 19: So it's not actually saying this is what's going to happen.
• 41:16
  Speaker 19: It's not a realistic projection. I don't know if any
• 41:19
  Speaker 19: serious energy experts who think we're now going to hit
• 41:21
  Speaker 19: the eighty two percent target. But this document, which should
• 41:24
  Speaker 19: be our master plan, doesn't consider any scenario where we don't.
• 41:28
  Speaker 19: So when you look at that graph and say, oh,
• 41:30
  Speaker 19: it looks like the coal is going to go, that's
• 41:32
  Speaker 19: not the coal fired POWERstation saying look we need to
• 41:35
  Speaker 19: close at this point. That is the model produced by
• 41:37
  Speaker 19: EMO that forces the model to actually put eighty two
• 41:41
  Speaker 19: percent renewables into the system, That causes that much much
• 41:44
  Speaker 19: faster than the scheduled closes of the coal fired power plants.
• 41:47
  Speaker 19: So really, this model doesn't tell us a projection of reality.
• 41:50
  Speaker 19: It just says what would have to happen to meet
• 41:53
  Speaker 19: the arbitrary eighty two percent target which has been imposed
• 41:56
  Speaker 19: on every version every scenario that this document now can
• 42:00
  Speaker 19: it is there.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Is trouble down the road of that we can be certain.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Aiden, I appreciate it. Aiden Morrison
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: there from the Center for Independent Studies. We're in enough
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: strife now with our energy transition just to look at
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: those charts and read these reports and worry about how
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: much worse it's going to get.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Now. Coming up after the break.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: We're going to speak with the former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Talked to him.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: About the first presidential debate schedule for tomorrow and also
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Julian Assange given that heroes welcome here by the Prime Minister.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: As you know, Julian Lossange is back on Australian soil,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: a convicted but free man. I asked Australia's longest serving
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: serving Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer for his reaction to the
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: heroes welcome given to Assange.
• 42:48
  Speaker 20: Well, I find that pretty extraordinary that Julian Assunge would
• 42:52
  Speaker 20: be given their heroes welcome in the country which professes
• 42:57
  Speaker 20: to be such a close ally of the United States
• 43:00
  Speaker 20: and a strong supporter of the interests of Western liberal democracies.
• 43:05
  Speaker 20: Because here is a man who undermined American security, undermined
• 43:10
  Speaker 20: the security of American soldiers and American diplomats, embarrassed America
• 43:17
  Speaker 20: and humiliated America in a lot of ways by publishing
• 43:21
  Speaker 20: their private information and exchanges between each other. And add
• 43:27
  Speaker 20: to that he did base charges which eventually were dropped
• 43:33
  Speaker 20: for sexual assault in Sweden. So to turn somebody like
• 43:38
  Speaker 20: that into a hero I find just completely inexplicable by
• 43:42
  Speaker 20: those who did turn him into a hero, because I
• 43:46
  Speaker 20: don't think most Australians would see Julian Assange as anybody
• 43:51
  Speaker 20: but a row.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: It was quite astonishing to see the Prime Minister, no less,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: play himself into the theater of Julian Osange's arrive, whose
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: first conversation on arrival on the tarmac was by phone
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: with Anthony Albanesi, and then Anthony Alberzi.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Called a press conference, so he was.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Going live to the nation late at night, and I
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: want to show you this bit where he's asked about
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: various assessments of Julian Nissans.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: There will continue to be different views about Julian Nissanz
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: and his activity. My role as Prime Minister has been
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: to firmly say that whatever the views that people have,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: there was no purpose to be served by this ongoing incarceration.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Anthony Alberzi there last night, he says his role is
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: to do this and do that. Isn't his role to
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: point out that this bloke is a convicted felon, that
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: he's pleaded guilty to publishing this classified information, and that
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: was obviously against the national interests of the United States
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: and therefore against the interests of Australia.
• 44:58
  Speaker 20: A close ally, I would have thought it was quite
• 45:02
  Speaker 20: a simple case to make. I remember Julia Gillard at
• 45:06
  Speaker 20: one state saying that he was a lawbreaker. I mean,
• 45:14
  Speaker 20: she was very clear in her views when she was
• 45:19
  Speaker 20: a prime minister about Julianassange. And I find it almost
• 45:23
  Speaker 20: incredible that the Prime minister of our country should say
• 45:28
  Speaker 20: that people will hold different views. Well, obviously they hold
• 45:31
  Speaker 20: different views. They're a minority of anti Western and anti
• 45:36
  Speaker 20: American activists who proclaim him as some kind of a
• 45:40
  Speaker 20: hero because he embarrassed and undermined the security of the
• 45:45
  Speaker 20: United States of America, our closest and most important ally.
• 45:50
  Speaker 20: But I would have thought these were simple points for
• 45:52
  Speaker 20: a Prime Minister of Australia to make. But with Anthony Alberanezi.
• 45:58
  Speaker 20: I'm sorry to say this. I don't want to sound
• 46:00
  Speaker 20: party political about it, so I'm not involved in politics anymore.
• 46:05
  Speaker 20: But it strikes me whenever I look at Anthony ben
• 46:09
  Speaker 20: Easy making public comments that he never stops playing politics.
• 46:14
  Speaker 20: He never stops, he doesn't take one minute off the
• 46:19
  Speaker 20: game of politics. And this is all about the politics.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Of the leap.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Speaking of partisan politics, let's go to the US presidential debate.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: You're in the US, it's happening tomorrow, will be carrying
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: it live here on sky. Of course, this is going
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: to be a fascinating contest between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Let's just have a little sample of how to sort
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: of the sort of.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Mainstream left are pitching this battle on the way they
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: view Donald Trump.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Here's the program called The View. I think you.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Can't refute anything with him because he just.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: When I say him, I mean Trump, he tends to
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: just can I mention when.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: She spits will be Goldbird spits because she mentioned Trump's name.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, this sort of hatred surely actually is winned
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: under the wings of Donald Trump.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Isn't it.
• 47:17
  Speaker 20: That'll only do him good that sort of behavior, And
• 47:20
  Speaker 20: if you don't want him to win the election, then
• 47:24
  Speaker 20: it's important that Joe Biden and his supporters and the
• 47:28
  Speaker 20: anti Trump lobby behave with dignity because Donald Trump doesn't
• 47:35
  Speaker 20: always behave with dignity, and that is the great negative
• 47:39
  Speaker 20: actually about Donald Trump for many people. But to respond
• 47:44
  Speaker 20: to him by behaving in the same ways, it's not helpful.
• 47:50
  Speaker 20: There's something about the left. They often undermine their own
• 47:54
  Speaker 20: case by their emotional responses. But I've met while I've
• 48:00
  Speaker 20: been here in the United States Trump supporters and Trump opponents.
• 48:05
  Speaker 20: But the Trump supporters, i'd have to say, who I've
• 48:10
  Speaker 20: spoken to over the last week or so, have been
• 48:13
  Speaker 20: pretty passionate in their support for him. So it'll be
• 48:16
  Speaker 20: interesting to see how the debate goes. For me, the
• 48:20
  Speaker 20: part of the debate will be one whether Donald Trump
• 48:23
  Speaker 20: behaves in a statesmanlike way or he goes Beryl. And secondly,
• 48:29
  Speaker 20: will Joe Biden be able to stand there and answer
• 48:33
  Speaker 20: coachingle questions and deal with difficult issues for ninety minutes.
• 48:39
  Speaker 20: This is going to be a huge test for Joe
• 48:42
  Speaker 20: Biden and the cognitive skills that Joe Biden claims that
• 48:48
  Speaker 20: he has. It's going to be a very important debate.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I think absolutely. I reckon, you spot on, I reckon.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: There are two tests for either side. Can't wait to
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: see it. Thanks for joining us, Alexander.
• 48:59
  Speaker 20: It's a great pleasure. Chris.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, talking about Biden and the debate tomorrow's like a
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: boxing bout, isn't it. Can he go the distance? We
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: shall see from eleven am tomorrow morning. Just want to
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: share some of your feedback from last night's program and
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: my focus on the cost of living crisis and how
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: that's bad for the Alberanzi government. One viewer says worst
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: government for a generation. Another sky viewer says how arrogant
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: was Charmers spinning his last budget as not being inflationary.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: You know, let's come back to bite him as well.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: And also someone says Albanezi will blame Peter.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Dutton for it. Yeah, he blames Dutton for everything.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: And one last bit of feedback there are Suns will
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: be begging to go back to prison when he sees
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: how astronomical the prices are.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Cost of living is going to kind of hit Julian.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: The Suns pretty hard once he gets out into suburbia.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me, I'll be back next week. Here's
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Peter Cridlin.