Latest / Brandon Fogal Evolution / #302 - Did Nick Fuentes Actually Defeat Ben Shapiro… Or Is Everyone Missing the Bigger Picture?

Transcript

#302 - Did Nick Fuentes Actually Defeat Ben Shapiro… Or Is Everyone Missing the Bigger Picture? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

• 0:00
  Ben Shapiro and Nick Fuentes are head to head.
• 0:04
  I would say these are the guys that like good versus evil.
• 0:07
  You decide who's on the good side, who's on the evil side. But these are guys
• 0:11
  that are up against each other. They've been going at it for a while.
• 0:14
  Ben Shapiro, he attempted to throttle Nick Fuentes in the crib when he was a
• 0:20
  young up and comer and a new cat on the street.
• 0:23
  But as we can see this past week, you know, and even the past couple months,
• 0:28
  the writings on the wall that Nick Fuentes is rising while Ben Shapiro is declining
• 0:35
  in popularity on the internet.
• 0:38
  I don't know which side you're on. I'm, I like both of these guys,
• 0:42
  to be honest. I like both of them.
• 0:45
  But we're going to dive into because ben shapiro he
• 0:48
  put out a reaction he said all my haters can
• 0:51
  kiss my ass which this this is
• 0:54
  vintage ben shapiro that he
• 0:57
  i i have liked him for a while and i think a
• 1:00
  lot of people stopped liking ben shapiro because of nick fuentes primarily and
• 1:05
  even candace owens and what is it like because because the all the bots are
• 1:11
  telling us and and they're jumping in there from like Pakistan and Iran and
• 1:17
  all these other Middle Eastern countries that they're out there.
• 1:19
  They're trying to push us to everyone to not like this guy.
• 1:23
  And, but it has come to light of the mainstream media or whatever you want to call it.
• 1:28
  They put it, did an article that of the layoffs that have happened at the daily wire.
• 1:32
  Is there something to that? I mean, people are without a job now,
• 1:35
  but it's a serious situation.
• 1:38
  Like if this is going to be the ebb and flow of, you know, just in general companies,
• 1:43
  they, they hire as much as they can support and who can contribute,
• 1:47
  but they sometimes have to let people go.
• 1:50
  And that's just, that's the sad part of life. That's the sad part of business.
• 1:54
  I I'm very neutral on both of these guys. I'm not like I'm diehard one or the other.
• 2:00
  And I know a lot of people that probably going to catch this are going to be
• 2:03
  like, how can you like Ben Shapiro?
• 2:06
  I like him. I like him.
• 2:08
  He represents the conservative viewpoint a lot more than Nick Fuentes, I would say up front.
• 2:15
  But we're going to dive into this just to see a little bit of the clip of what.
• 2:19
  Ben Shapiro, he rocked the internet yesterday in his response.
• 2:24
  Hey, Russia Today is the official outlet for the Kremlin. It is won by the Russian
• 2:27
  government. It's retweeting Nick Fuentes' triumphalism today.
• 2:30
  Fuentes tweeted out, I won after that New York magazine piece came out. And Fuentes won.
• 2:35
  Well, I don't know. Living in your basement and streaming for eight hours a
• 2:38
  day while jacking off to the Catboys. It's a form of winning, I said. All right.
• 2:43
  Whatever floats your boat, my dude. You might call the Russia Today Fuentes
• 2:47
  get-together an online Molotov ribbon tropical. pact.
• 2:50
  Well, it's also why the Washington Post is happy to quote Candace Owens,
• 2:52
  the ranting bag lady of the Internet, to explain that The Daily Wire's numbers are down.
• 2:56
  Again, that alliance between the left and the woke right is totally real and
• 2:59
  it's active. This is why they are getting together to formulate stories.
• 3:02
  It is why they're repeating the same talking points.
• 3:04
  Now, Candace says that The Daily Wire's numbers are down because people.
• 3:07
  So first of all, just with so Nick put that out there because the article came
• 3:10
  out of what is New York magazine.
• 3:14
  There was a time not very long ago when Ben Shapiro could reasonably call himself
• 3:17
  the king of all conservative media.
• 3:19
  That's all over now, writes political columnist Ross Barkin.
• 3:23
  So he did an article on that, and then Nick Fuentes tweeted over that. I won.
• 3:29
  He's claiming victory. This, I mean, if you're, this seems like really short
• 3:33
  game, very nearsighted.
• 3:35
  I'm going to, I'm going to take, I'm going to try to bring this to like analyzing
• 3:40
  this from a different perspective because let's like actually think through this.
• 3:45
  If Nick's whole thing is there's organized Jewry and Israel controls the world
• 3:50
  as a lot of people do. A lot of people think that Israel is pulling the strings.
• 3:54
  This little country is pulling the strings because you can't have it both ways.
• 3:59
  Or they're just doing a complete massive psyop on everyone and they've got all
• 4:03
  these gropers to think that they won.
• 4:05
  Because if they are in control and pulling the strings of everything,
• 4:09
  how is all the internet, all the media completely against them?
• 4:15
  And everybody just is just disgusted with them. Everybody hates Israel at this
• 4:19
  point for some reason, or at least we're told you got to hate Israel.
• 4:23
  Not really, not a lot of bona fide facts that are supporting it,
• 4:26
  but you just got to, you got to not like Israel.
• 4:29
  That's like the popular opinion. And a lot of people that are just running with
• 4:33
  that, I think it's just the biggest megaphones out there.
• 4:36
  They just say it and they don't even know why they're saying it.
• 4:40
  You could say it like they want to go to because the, the mass genocide that
• 4:45
  is happening over in Palestine, or I don't even like to call it Palestine. It's Israel.
• 4:50
  You know, that's the, that's the country itself.
• 4:53
  Palestine was just a name that was that was as a
• 4:56
  kind of just to make fun of it to demoralize that
• 4:59
  region that was put there you know because comes from Philistines but this idea
• 5:04
  of just that the people are running with that just that Israel is the most evil
• 5:09
  thing in the world it just doesn't have any support or backing because it's
• 5:13
  just what we're told and we're fed to believe as opposed to what is supported by facts.
• 5:18
  But Nick Fuentes saying that, that he won.
• 5:21
  And do you think he won overall?
• 5:24
  Because I would just say like, in general, if Jews control the world and Israel's
• 5:29
  controlling everything, how could they allow this Groyper movement,
• 5:34
  this woke Reich movement to win?
• 5:37
  Really? Are you that smart that you were able to somehow defeat them?
• 5:42
  Like they're controlling the the strings in media and who's
• 5:45
  allowed to speak and who's can be in front of
• 5:48
  everyone but at the same time you defeated them somehow you won or did they
• 5:53
  just trick you into making you think that they won because it would seem like
• 5:58
  if they are like pulling the strings on everything they're terrible at pr they're
• 6:03
  terrible at like putting out a narrative that fits their best interests.
• 6:09
  Like, that's where I'm, like, I'm wondering,
• 6:12
  what is, like, what has been, like, is he...
• 6:15
  Is he really just somebody that's been placed here by Israel and that's all
• 6:19
  he is, is a mouthpiece for Israel?
• 6:21
  Because if he is, he wouldn't be doing that great of a job.
• 6:25
  I think he has, because in this video, what he went through,
• 6:27
  he made it clear that he stood for the same thing.
• 6:30
  He has not changed his position. He has not wavered.
• 6:34
  He's doing the same conservative talking points for the last 10, 15 years.
• 6:40
  Nothing really has changed, but there has been a change, a shift,
• 6:43
  and a people opposing in his viewpoint.
• 6:46
  But who's going to win the day? Who's actually going to win the day?
• 6:49
  And if Israel is in charge, how could they allow this movement to happen?
• 6:55
  Why would they do it? Are they thinking 5D chess? Is that what's going on?
• 6:59
  Well, don't want to be lectured. And this is the teenage point of view from
• 7:03
  Candace and Megan and Tucker. They're all saying the same thing.
• 7:05
  They don't want to be lectured. Don't lecture me.
• 7:07
  Megan tweeted in March 2026, you're the coward, Ben, and your moral printing
• 7:11
  priggish lectures and holier than thou judgments are the reason you are losing
• 7:14
  fans and more than that, friends at a record rate. All these people are on the same script.
• 7:18
  They're all on the same script. And also, because as people who traffic in crap
• 7:22
  for sweet, sweet lucre, they would love to be spared the lecture.
• 7:25
  They don't want to be lectured as they grift.
• 7:27
  So they're going to do the same thing that, you know, a 13-year-old boy would
• 7:30
  do if Quad doing naughty things on his iPad.
• 7:33
  They don't want to be lectured. Don't you lecture me? Well, it turns out sometimes
• 7:35
  in life, people need lectures in decency, in reason, and in truth.
• 7:39
  So overall, I would say that the people that are pushing this ideology,
• 7:44
  I mean, it's interesting. It's new. It's novel.
• 7:48
  It's something that it's gravitating a lot of young people towards.
• 7:52
  But how did they get to those positions? how did like candace
• 7:55
  rise up so high in the ranks putting like
• 7:58
  when when what she is pushing forward is really
• 8:02
  a nonsense in a lot of ways but somehow she's being boosted in front of everyone
• 8:07
  and everyone is buying to this somehow she's got interesting real facts which
• 8:12
  i have not i'm not seeing them there's something going on underneath the surface
• 8:17
  i that i can only glean from it from my point of view,
• 8:20
  because I'm, and I think the normies,
• 8:23
  the regular people out there, they're not into this.
• 8:25
  They're not like on the internet, just commenting like crazy.
• 8:29
  Like I think a lot of it is just bots. Bots are being pushed because these,
• 8:34
  these countries that are out there, they want to shape the narrative.
• 8:37
  And I just, if, if bots don't like get under control, like if people don't,
• 8:41
  whoever's running these platforms, don't get them under control.
• 8:44
  It's unrecognizable who, what is a real viewpoint at this point?
• 8:48
  I think that Ben Shapiro and Nick Fuentes, they're going to be head-to-head.
• 8:52
  I think what Ben did, he probably saw what Nick was going to become and he wanted
• 8:57
  to stop it head-on because Nick wasn't that huge back then. He was just a young
• 9:02
  kid and Ben tried to stop him.
• 9:04
  I don't think he really thought possible that Nick could climb his way to the top like this.
• 9:11
  Nick's able to articulate a position that is pretty consistent,
• 9:15
  but I wouldn't say it's a good position overall. It's not going to be good for
• 9:20
  young people in the long run.
• 9:22
  It's fun. It's interesting. But in the long run, it's going to leave you kind of high and dry,
• 9:28
  because when anything hits the fan, you're not going to have Nick Flintis to
• 9:32
  run to, or he's not going to be there to run to you when stuff starts going
• 9:36
  on wrong in your personal life.
• 9:39
  It's like you got to have a stronger, firm foundation than just these talking
• 9:43
  points that the Jews are ruining my life. Israel's ruined my life.
• 9:47
  Somehow, if we stop funding Israel, that's going to make my life better over
• 9:53
  here. And I'm not saying we should fund Israel.
• 9:55
  I'm not at all like saying that. And I just think it's funny at this point that
• 9:59
  now Israel themselves are saying, we don't want American money.
• 10:03
  Netanyahu's come out. He said that. And it's like, what is the talking points
• 10:06
  going to be now coming from Tucker Carlson?
• 10:09
  What's he going to say now that we don't fund them or we aren't supporting them
• 10:12
  or whatever, you know, I am all like we should do what's in our interest.
• 10:16
  But like in the long run, if we're not standing with Israel,
• 10:20
  if we, if we don't support them, not like say that everything they do is correct,
• 10:23
  but if we don't support them, America is going to not last.
• 10:27
  America is not going to be here for the long run because throughout human history,
• 10:32
  it does seem like the Jews and Israel, they kind of, they're the ones that are consistent.
• 10:39
  You know, at least at least Jewish people in general. And I would just say that that's their homeland.
• 10:44
  That's what they recognize as their place. You know, for ancient,
• 10:48
  for years, a millennia, that they recognize that as their their homeland.
• 10:52
  They want to live safe and secure that we should do what's in our power to support them.
• 10:56
  But I mean, if we even go to like if you're a Christian, what did Paul say?
• 11:00
  Since we are we've shared with them in their in spiritual things,
• 11:03
  we are indebted to them in physical matters. He told that to the church in Rome.
• 11:08
  When he wrote that in the in the book of romans so it's
• 11:12
  like this isn't a new crazy concept but
• 11:14
  like i think a lot of just young people that are just their brains
• 11:18
  are fried from tiktok and they're
• 11:21
  disgruntled they're upset they they're not seeing
• 11:24
  as many like options in this life that
• 11:27
  they could be successful or whatever they're wanting to to go towards that they
• 11:31
  feel like almost upset and it's easy to turn that anger towards a people group
• 11:35
  and it's like i think that Nick's rise is he's pushing forward some type of
• 11:42
  idea that is not going to end well.
• 11:45
  It's not going to end well. And I agree with him on some things,
• 11:49
  but overall, it's not going to be good for the United States.
• 11:51
  You could say that he's pushing forward America first. It's not America first.
• 11:56
  It's not. If anything, it's Rome first.
• 12:00
  It's Roman Catholicism first. It's the idea that he thinks that Jews,
• 12:03
  we can't trust them because they got this other interest of the land of Israel
• 12:09
  and that's what they care about.
• 12:10
  Israel first. But it's like, it's the same thing. Like your, your ties are to Rome.
• 12:15
  So I'm not saying that that's a terrible thing. It's not, but it's like,
• 12:19
  it's the same thing, but it's just your point of view versus their point of view. It, it,
• 12:24
  One doesn't like, why would one be more credible or valid than the other?
• 12:29
  But like for Ben Shapiro and Nick Quintus, I just see both of these guys.
• 12:32
  The chickens have come home to roost with Ben.
• 12:34
  What he's putting forward, it's not like he's changed his viewpoint,
• 12:37
  but just the tide of public opinion has turned on him, or at least what we are
• 12:42
  told what public opinion is.
• 12:44
  And now like they're having to lay off people. That's just general.
• 12:47
  That's just what businesses do over time.
• 12:50
  So it's not just to say that his viewpoints are now wrong or bad.
• 12:54
  It's just that public opinion doesn't look at them in the same way.
• 12:58
  And it's like, that's why if, if you want to last on the internet,
• 13:01
  you, it's like, I mean, you have to sell your soul to grift on something you have to like, because.
• 13:07
  The spirit of the internet is just going to move one way or the other and push
• 13:12
  everybody's attention to thinking one thing's, you know, popular.
• 13:15
  Not necessarily that it's true or correct, but it's popular.
• 13:19
  It's people what people want to hear. Their ears itch and they want to hear this.
• 13:23
  You know, they're upset. They're mad about their life. So they want to, I'm going to fall.
• 13:28
  I'm going to go after whatever terrible idea is out there, you know?
• 13:32
  And that's why it's not last. It's not really like good for you, but it's interesting.
• 13:37
  And people are, it's like, I just want these young people that listen to Nick
• 13:40
  Fuentes come to him with a critical ear, like what you're hearing.
• 13:44
  You can watch him just like you want to watch a horror movie.
• 13:47
  It's fun and interesting.
• 13:49
  And it, you know, it piques your curiosity. He makes you laugh.
• 13:52
  But like, if you're not critical of what he's saying and actually evaluating
• 13:56
  what he's saying, his ideas aren't going to be good for you in the long run.
• 14:01
  They're not going to do wonders for your life because it's so scattered what
• 14:07
  he is promoting because, and I listened, listened to Nick Fuentes this week
• 14:11
  on, uh, it's Crowder. I forget what was his first name?
• 14:14
  Crowder louder with Crowder. You know who I'm talking about and him trying to
• 14:18
  defend his position of just voting Democrat and how he's going to make it possible that in 2028,
• 14:25
  we're going to have a, a good America first candidate, you know,
• 14:29
  that meets his, his litmus test of who he's willing to vote for.
• 14:34
  And it did not make sense.
• 14:36
  It was not, it was not actually valid at all it
• 14:39
  was there was no like coherency to it
• 14:42
  and crowder kept pushing him over and over
• 14:45
  and nick could not defend it whatsoever it's like nick wants to blow up our
• 14:49
  system and i'm like i wouldn't really like necessarily care if our system got
• 14:54
  blown up you know i'm not too but like it's just like being real with people
• 15:00
  you just like at least say that at least say that that that's what you're doing.
• 15:04
  And it's like why are you wanting to do that is it because you want to eventually
• 15:08
  take over the reins and be the power in the united states i get so many mixed
• 15:12
  messages from him i don't i don't know where he's at on this it's like because
• 15:17
  it does seem like an outside foreign force is pushing him,
• 15:21
  if you had the best interest for america this is
• 15:24
  not what you would be pushing on young people and warping their
• 15:28
  minds with because like in saying that you're
• 15:30
  gonna vote democrats somehow there's no candidate that's actually gonna win
• 15:34
  it's just gonna blow up everything and we're gonna just be controlled by just
• 15:39
  some woke you know democrat you know and it's gonna it it's gonna get it'll
• 15:44
  be even crazier it's like this is like it's gonna be very short-lived of this.
• 15:49
  Not being censored of people being able to speak of people being able to talk
• 15:54
  on the internet it's like that it's a very small window that we're gonna have
• 15:57
  this are you really thinking it through because that,
• 16:01
  I mean, to me, that's almost the biggest thing that I love about America is
• 16:04
  the freedom of speech that is different as opposed to anywhere else in the world
• 16:08
  that we can actually say,
• 16:10
  we can speak up against the ones in our authority.
• 16:12
  But it's like, if, if people that don't have those values that are put in power,
• 16:17
  we're going to have those, those taken away from us.
• 16:19
  It doesn't match up with reality, what you're pushing with Ben Shapiro and Nick
• 16:25
  Fuentes and who won overall.
• 16:26
  Right now, I would say Nick Fuentes has won in popular opinion.
• 16:30
  That's where the popularity is. But it's like in overall long term, who's going to win?
• 16:37
  I would say the Jewish people are going to win.
• 16:40
  You know, Israel is going to win.
• 16:43
  If you're not just bought into, I need Israel to lose, or I need to somehow,
• 16:50
  they're the one causing all these ills in my life.
• 16:53
  If you're not bought into that and you're willing to be what's actually rational
• 16:56
  and reasonable, the Jews win.
• 17:00
  And that's why it's such a disconnect where your whole message is that Israel
• 17:04
  and the Jews are controlling everything.
• 17:06
  They're pulling all the strings. But then somehow in this near short window, you think you've won.
• 17:11
  What have you really won and if you
• 17:14
  have one then you're just being deceived by them because
• 17:17
  they're an ultimate power and they're they're the ones
• 17:20
  controlling everything pulling all the strings it's just
• 17:22
  i think that the honestly i want to step back and actually think about this
• 17:28
  and what what you're saying it doesn't make sense because i see it from both
• 17:32
  sides i think it's kind of a farce they don't really have as much power as a
• 17:38
  lot of people will make it out to be They don't.
• 17:40
  They really don't have as much power because if they did, they would be shaping the narrative.
• 17:46
  They would shape the narrative differently.
• 17:48
  They wouldn't do everything that just makes them look, you know, terrible.
• 17:53
  They would do things that make them put them in a good light.
• 17:57
  And they wouldn't just out of left field, uh, uh, assassinate their biggest
• 18:02
  supporter, Charlie Kirk.
• 18:03
  That doesn't make any sense. But the people that are on the Nick's not putting
• 18:07
  Nick's not pushing that, but all these other ones that are on this woke Reich
• 18:12
  movement are, are pushing that.
• 18:15
  And they were going to see Israel behind every Bush, Israel behind every,
• 18:20
  every situation that happens in this life.
• 18:22
  It doesn't make sense. There's no logic, logic to what they are saying.
• 18:26
  You can't have your cake and eat it too you know that's it you can't have it
• 18:31
  both sides so like if you wanted to step back and actually what is your what
• 18:34
  what is reality i know we can say,
• 18:36
  nutsy funny things you know just to
• 18:39
  get a you know get a view get a click but really like what you're saying doesn't
• 18:46
  make coherent sense it doesn't and i think i think the reality is you're just
• 18:51
  peddling this narrative that Israel and the Jews are controlling everything
• 18:55
  just so you can somehow have a scapegoat, some,
• 18:59
  a people group, somebody to put all your problems on.
• 19:03
  And that just seems like it almost comes to the biblical situation.
• 19:07
  You know, we do see at the end of the age, all nations are going to turn against Israel.
• 19:13
  Like that's what, that's how I view it. All nations are going to turn against them.
• 19:17
  And it's like, do they want that? Are they the ones that are trying to make
• 19:20
  themselves look so terrible that they, they did not think this out.
• 19:24
  This, this, they didn't think 10 steps ahead of like what they're doing.
• 19:28
  It just doesn't make sense.
• 19:30
  All right, we'll leave it at that. Let me know what you think.
• 19:31
  Drop a comment and have a good rest of your weekend. See y'all.