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Who were the WINNERS and LOSERS of the NFL Combine? · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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gentlemen, to check it out, but you can see it all over social
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media. Everybody was posting it up and
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interesting. I, I'm not, I'm not into outer
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space and aliens UFOs, but I, I know there's something out
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there. There's extra terrestrial, you
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know, I don't know, aliens out there.
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So I, I, I believe in ET. OK, that was my favorite movie
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growing up. Anyways, lot to get into.
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So NFL combine is where we're going to start.
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The NFL combine concluded on Sunday, held once again from
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Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis.
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This year's combine featured some great performances and has
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been called one of the fastest combines ever.
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Not surprised due to several excellent time times from the
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319 draft prospects that were invited to show what they got
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already for next month's NFL Draft.
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Multiple reports believe that some NFLGMS believe offensive
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tackles Francis Agoa from Miami and Kaden Proctor of Alabama
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could be better as guards at the NFL level due to the size issues
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and arm length issues. Issues for Magowa and the
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opposite for Proctor who may be too big and slow to handle NFL
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pass rushers in space. Utah's two projected first round
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tackle, Spencer Fano and Caleb Lomo both had 40 yard dashes
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times under 5. Some players expected to be
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second day draft picks. Arkansas is running back Mike
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Washington, Georgia wide receiver Branch, Indiana
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cornerback D Angelo Bonds, Tennessee wide receiver Chris
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Brazil and LSU quarterback Garrett Nussmeyer where some
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projected second to third round picks that improved their draft
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stock. Projected top 10 edge rusher
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David Bailey had a very strong NFL combine, while other
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projected top 15 edge rushers in Kendrick Falk and Ruben Bain
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skipped the NFL Combine and reports say that many NFLGMS are
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slightly concerned about Baines arm length for the position.
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Ohio State linebacker Avril Reese and Sunny Sunny Styles
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both ran a 4.4640 yard dash and had on real athletic numbers,
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including a 43.5 inch vertical four styles.
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On the downside, the projected #1 receiver in the draft,
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Carnell Tate, ran only a 4.53 in the 40 yard dash, slower than
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expected. USC's Makai Lemon, the top
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projected slot receiver, apparently had a Chador Sanders
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like interview experience, as numerous sources report that
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Lemming completely bombed many of his team interviews in Indy.
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Well, I don't know about Ruben Bay, I know.
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I understand the thought that his arm length is not going to
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fit the NFL style of game. I understand that.
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But speed does right, athletic ability does right.
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He was the top one of the top pass rushers in the country all
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season long and against top SEC teams, pretty much matched up
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against some of the best defenses.
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I mean, offenses in the NFLI mean NCAA.
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I'm going to keep saying I'm trying to think of what I'm
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going to say here, but in the NCAA you think about what Ruben
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Bain brings to the table. The guy has the ability to get
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to the quarterback. The the guy has the ability to
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get down low and, and move inside and out and, and use many
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different ways and, and use many different styles of his game to
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get to the quarterback. Now there are teams like The
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Jets who could be using him in in a 3-4 or if The Jets are
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going to play a four three and I don't know how they're going to
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play it this year. Maybe they do a a different.
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They use the 3-4 and a four three in their defense,
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depending on how a guy like Aaron Glenn, who obviously fell
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asleep a couple of times at the combine, which was posted all
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over social media and and a lot of people, a lot of Jet fans
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were attacking him, especially The Jets podcasting that's been
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around over the last couple of weeks.
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And that was at Lucas Oil said a lot of interesting things about
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Aaron Glenn. A lot of people don't like Aaron
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Glenn, but I, I think Ruben Bane would be a top five pick.
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No matter if his arms were long, his legs or his feet or his toes
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were small. It doesn't really matter.
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Speed always changes everybody's views it it always does.
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And him on the outside edge on any side, left or right with the
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New York Jets, he would be explosive.
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Explosive. Now, again, the combine doesn't
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give you the answers. It doesn't.
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Does anybody remember Vernon Galston?
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I think everybody that is a Jet fan remembers Vernon Galston.
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He dominated at the combine, dominated it strength wise,
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speed wise, everything. The guy was the best linebacker
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going into the draft. That's why he was drafted so
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high by Eric Mangini. Eric Mangini had pretty good
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drafts when he was there with The Jets.
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For the three years that he was there, the worst first round
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draft pick he ever had was Vernon Galston.
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But he also drafted Darrell Rivas.
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He also drafted Mangold. He also drafted Ferguson.
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He was there for all those guys. So you go back in time and you
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understand what Vernon Goldstein brought to the table.
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Combine didn't sell me anything. Shadour Sanders was great in his
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pro day. He looked great.
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He didn't. He didn't play at the combine.
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He did interview at the combine. He was absolutely embarrassing.
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And you hear what you heard about Makai Lemon.
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I mean, Makai is supposed to be the best slot receiver.
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Does it make him fall? I don't know.
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He you're a receiver, You're not a quarterback.
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And there was a lot of clout with a guy like Shador Sanders
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because of who his father was. And Deion Sanders came out and,
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and spoke very, very highly about his son and that you be be
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making mistake if you you don't draft this guy.
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And nobody wanted to hear Deion Sanders and nobody wants to deal
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with Deion Sanders behind the scenes.
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And that's why a lot of teams probably decided to, to pass up
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on a guy like Shador Makai. Even if he falls, does he really
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fall out of the first round? I probably not.
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And if he does, he's an early second round draft pick.
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I I could see The Jets in in the early second round with the
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Cowboys pick. If he falls out of the first
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round, Makai will be a Jet in the beginning of the first
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round. I can't see any teams passing up
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on a kid with this explosive ability.
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These guys do not grow on trees with the kind of speed that this
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guy brings to the table as far as the offensive line.
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Now we've been speaking about Campbell, right?
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We've been speaking about the Patriots and Campbell looked
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pretty good all season long. Now in the play offs, certain
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parts and certain games, he did not look good.
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He didn't look good against the Texans.
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He didn't look good in the Super Bowl.
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So 2 dominant defenses that can get at him and maybe it was his
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small arms, maybe not because throughout the season he played
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very, very well. He's he played consistent.
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So I'm not saying Campbell is a Pro Bowler and this year he
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wasn't a Pro Bowler, but can he be?
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Absolutely. Did anybody care that his arm
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arm length or his hands were small going into the draft?
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The answer would be no, because he still was a top ten pick.
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He was still the top tackle drafted in this year's last
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year's draft. So I I know everybody's looking
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at that and they're consistently pointing their fingers on, well,
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this guy can't run the 40 fast. Let's go back to Odell Beckham.
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Odell Beckham, he did not run the 40 as fast as he runs in
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games. I don't remember what he ran the
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40, but he didn't run it like some of these other wide
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receivers speed demons. And Odell Beckham was still a
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top 15 pick. And look at what Odell Beckham
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did. Now, Odell Beckham also came out
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of the draft. He wasn't healthy.
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He had a hamstring problem. He missed four games early in
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the season with the New York Giants and he had hamstring
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problems coming out of LSU. But once he stepped on a
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football field, you can see the dynamic player that he became,
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the star that he became with his ability to catch the ball with
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one hand, his athletic gifts that he has and he runs routes
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just he really in his first four years, he was as good as route
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runner in in the NFL and he exploded right off the paper.
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Did he have a great combine? No.
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So combines don't really sell everything about the play.
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It doesn't. I know everybody wants to
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believe it. And I think guys like Garrett
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Nussmeyer who kind of a lot of people thought were was a fourth
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or fifth round draft pick as a quarterback having the week that
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he had. I believe that other teams,
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especially NFL teams that are looking for a quarterback in the
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second or third round, maybe The Jets, you could look at him as
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an optional quarterback that you can sit on the bench behind a
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veteran quarterback and maybe you find lightning in a bottle
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like a Russell Wilson in a second or third round that falls
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to you. And it's, it's, it's a player
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that you can build around now. Nussmeyer was looked at as a
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first round talent last year. He decided to go back to play
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for Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly was an absolute
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bomb. LSU was a complete bomb.
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He was fired and LSU's program completely fell apart.
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And you know who's running that program now?
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But Garris Garrett Nussmeyer has the arm strength.
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We've seen him throw a football. He's played with a lot of great
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players, as we all know, successful wide receivers in the
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NFL. In Jamar Chase, he played with
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him. There's another superstar player
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that didn't have a great season that's playing for Jacksonville
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that played with him in LSU. You know what I'm talking about.
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He played with a lot of great players in LSU.
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He was there for a while. I think Garrett Nussmeyer is a
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guy that you definitely have to take a flyer on, especially what
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you saw. But David Bailey is an
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interesting positional defensive lineman.
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One, everybody likes him. He's big, he's strong, he's fast
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off the line. Does he move up in the draft
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because of the combine that he had?
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Now he's a top ten pick. There's no way David Bailey is
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falling out of the top ten. No way.
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There's no way. I cannot see it, but does he
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jump from 8:00 to 2:00 or 8:00 to 3:00 because of what he did
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at the combine? Maybe.
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So maybe The Jets look at David Bailey as the the missing piece
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to their defense, to Aaron Glenn's defense.
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I don't know. But I could tell you having a
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combine like that for a player that's looked at as a top ten
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pick anyways, he is definitely jumping.
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Definitely. Now this is not an offensive
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line draft. It's not, I don't care what
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anybody says. Last year was an offensive line
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draft. This is a defensive line draft.
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There is 7 defensive lineman that are definitely being
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drafted in the top 22. Guarantee it.
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And I would say five of these guys could be game changing edge
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rushers. Now Bain is one of them, Bailey
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is another one. They believe Reese can be
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another and he had a great combine.
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But the guy that really stood out for Ohio State was Sonny
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Styles, because Sonny Styles, I don't know if he was looked at
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as an early first round pick. Some people say that he was an
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early an early second round pick.
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He jumped after the combine. He had the 43 1/2 inch vertical
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that he had the combine of of the speed, the 40 yard dash that
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he ran. He ran it as fast as Reese did.
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Does that make him better than Reese?
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No, but there are teams at #5 there is a team at #5 in the
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Giants and I, I was speaking to Fish and I'm sure Fish is going
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to have his own take on this. Sonny was the the guy that was
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calling the plays at the line of scrimmage for the Ohio State
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Buckeyes. He was the leader of that
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defense. Reese was a one year starter.
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He was the one year, one year superstar over there.
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Ohio State. Styles was there a couple of
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years. Now does that make Styles
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better? Does that make him more
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athletically gifted? Maybe so, but that make him the
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guy that I'm going to choose in the in a top five over the guy
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that everybody expects to be a top five pick.
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No, if Arvel Reese falls to the Giants, the Giants are drafting
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Reese. I'm sorry, the Giants aren't
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drafting Sonny Styles. If Reese is there at five, you
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don't you don't do that. You take the best guy on the
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board and if you're Joe Shane, that's what you do because Joe
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Shane's made a lot of mistakes. This wouldn't be a mistake for
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him. But you look at guys like
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Zachary Branch and D'Angelo Ponce and Chris Brazil, all
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these guys had good combines, all of them.
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And maybe this makes them jump from 2nd to 1st.
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I don't know. And, and, and to me, even if you
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fall out of the out of the first round now you're not going to
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get as you're not going to make as much money.
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If you're a second round draft pick, you don't get that fifth
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year option. It might benefit you falling
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into the second round because if you're a second round draft
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pick, you only play 4 years and then you could be asking for a
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big contract, especially if you blow up and you become the
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player, the star that you believe you are if you fall out
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of the first round. So with the the NFL combine, I
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mean the NHL has a combine, the NBA has a combine.
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All the big sports, even baseball has a combine.
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Now they, these, the scouts want to see these players in an open
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competition, and that's what it was.
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Honestly, I didn't pay any any attention to it.
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You know why? Because I hate listening to
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these broadcasters. They all have their own takes.
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They all have their own thoughts.
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I mean, Mel Kiper, am I going to trust everything that comes out
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of Mel Kiper's mouth? Mel Kiper's an idiot, OK?
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How many mistakes has he made? I remember when he said
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Christian Hackenberg was going to be a good player in the
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league. We remember with Christian
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Hackenberg, remember Clawson, remember him.
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Yeah, he was supposed to retire, but he didn't 15 years ago and
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he didn't do it. Every time Mel Kiper came out
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with his take, I wanted to throw up, seriously.
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And there are a lot of these guys and I'm not, I'm not taking
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shots at these guys. Make a living doing what they
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do. They all do.
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And they all have a sense of understanding the way the
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combine works and the way teams are looking for players and the
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way they like to draft. I don't know what The Jets are
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planning to do because they have a coach that's falling asleep a
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pop. I mean, I, I mean, that was the
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big take. That was during Bailey's stuff
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too. That's the big take over the the
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whole weekend with the New York Jets is the pictures that were
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all over social media of Aaron Glenn falling asleep.
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I mean, seriously. And when there were a lot of
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coaches over the years, I mean, Phil Jackson, he fell asleep at
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the NBA combine. Remember that.
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Lou, what was what was it with Lou Lamorello?
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Lou Lamorello too, it seems. Sleepy Lou.
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That's why I gave him the nickname Sleepy Lou.
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I, I mean, I, I've given a lot of people nicknames.
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I'm not going to give Aaron Glenn a nickname because
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everybody seems to have a nickname for him.
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I, I did give Robert Salib the name Bambi.
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And maybe if Aaron Glenn continues doing the, the stupid
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things that he has done over the last couple of months, maybe I
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give him a nickname. But I, I'm, I'm going to believe
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that Aaron Glenn is going to figure things out.
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But again, you look at the combine and, and you could go up
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and down on, on what you believe and what you see and what these
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players are going to be. You don't know because how many
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players, how many players have we seen in the combine not have
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good combines? We're not going to be good
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prospects. They fall to the fourth, they
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fall to the fifth round and they become stars in the NFL.
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It happens a lot. It happens a lot, and that's why
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teams like Seattle have made a living on it.
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Schneider has made a living on finding guys in the later rounds
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and turning them into superstars.
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He has. Don't go look at the the way
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they've drafted over the years. The Legion of Boom have been
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built by former drafts pretty much in the later rounds.
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Look at their secondary. I mean, Witherspoon was a a
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first round draft pick, top five pick.
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Yeah, Woollen was not. Woollen was a late round draft
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pick. He was like, what, fourth round
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he. Was a fifth round pick, I
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believe in the same draft as Sauce and Stingley, Yeah.
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I mean, he found Woollen. Woollen's going to be a highly
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profiled quarterback that's going to be available this
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offseason. He he might be resigned.
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I know whether Witherspoon is going to get signed before he
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does, but he's going to get paid.
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And their secondary is as good as any secondary in football as
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they are now NFL champions, Super Bowl champions.
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But again, Schneider has made a living on finding guys in the
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later rounds. Teams have done it for many,
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many years. Look at Philadelphia, look what
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Philly's done. They built it around the Georgia
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Bulldogs. But at least if you look at what
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they've done over the past couple of drafts and they have
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one of the best GMs in all of football is he finds players in
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the later rounds. He goes into the third round, he
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he picks up picks and he trades off picks and he moves up on
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players that he feels that is going to fit the way he they
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want to run their defense and what the way they want to run
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their offense. And it's worked out.
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Philadelphia this past year had had, I mean, last last year had
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a very good draft. Now did it show on the football
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field? No, you have to develop these
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guys. It's some of these guys.
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It takes a couple of years to figure out how they fit to the
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production that they're going to bring to the team team.
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So again, going back to what all these guys put up, the numbers
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they put at the at the combine, how many how many times they put
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up 225 lbs? Who cares how many push ups they
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have? I mean, it, that's not part of
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the combine, but I'd like to know how many push ups these
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guys could do at once. I mean, I could do 160.
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I mean, before I, you know, I, my arms died down.
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I mean, I did it on a live show. I mean, what?
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Where were we? Speeding.
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It was a house. We were at Miller's Ale House
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and I was trying to find content and and I was trying to drive
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people to listen to our conversations.
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So I had a push up contest with everybody in there and some of
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my friends, they tried to do push ups and I said I'm I'm
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going to knock you all out. And I let everybody do push ups.
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And, and I think the highest one was Justin, right?
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He had 83 push ups. Yeah, and then your friend Eric
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Martini let you down a little bit.
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I did the same out as him. He really let me down.
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How did you do? I did.
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I did 21. I think he did 21.
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So I'm like, let me see if I can at least do 21 because all the
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fans wanted me to do it. I'm like, all right, I toughed
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it out. I did.
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I did 95. I know.
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And I was wearing my coat. I was all stiff and I was like,
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I don't want to do it, But everybody was like, all right,
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Errol and I listen, I can do push ups.
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I I'm pretty good at it because I do about 3000 push ups every
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single week. When you do that many, you know,
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your arms are not going to give out as quick.
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But do do you think that that's going to make me challenging?
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Hey, if if I could beat Quinton Couples in a push up contest,
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does that mean I'm going to run right past them on a football
24:35
field? Not a chance in hell.
24:37
How about this, if I can, if I could do 160 push ups at once,
24:42
do you think Ruben Bayne is not going to kill me on a football
24:45
field? It doesn't matter.
24:48
It did. I listen.
24:50
The 40 really stands out because if you have these wide receivers
24:53
running at a 4.23 or 4.26, wow, that's sub speed.
24:57
But could they do it on a football field when the game is
25:00
going on, when there's a corner taking you that can run a 40 and
25:04
a 4.31, Can you do that against a corner that's sticking you the
25:09
whole game? That's the question.
25:11
Are you going to be able to run a route?
25:14
That's the difference. I know Carnell Tate did not have
25:18
a very good combine. He ran it a 4.53.
25:21
Let me tell you guys something. Carnell Tate, his game is not
25:26
built on speed. It's about power.
25:29
OK? Power.
25:30
When you watched him play for Ohio State, his game was built
25:35
on power, right? I'm sorry, not Ohio State,
25:38
right? Yeah, it was Ohio State.
25:39
Yeah. I'm thinking about Alabama too,
25:40
but Alabama doesn't really. No, their kid Williams is not
25:44
eligible for. Next year, next year.
25:46
But Carnell Tate, even in in the game, in a game against Miami,
25:52
he he showed you that he can be an explosive player.
25:55
He showed you that he can play against elite defenses.
25:59
Now the only time will tell what how he fits, if he can stay
26:03
healthy. His health is the problem as far
26:05
as I'm concerned with a guy like Tate.
26:07
If, if Carnell Tate could stay healthy, he's going to be a fine
26:10
wide receiver. He's going to give you 1213
26:13
hundred yards. That's what you're going to go
26:15
after when it comes to a first round pick.
26:17
He can score 8 to 9 touchdowns. I expect him to be that type of
26:21
wide receiver. He is going to be a top 10
26:23
prospect and if he falls out of the top ten, he will not fall
26:26
out of the top 15. He will be the first wide
26:29
receiver off the board. Speedy yeah, I think Tate maybe
26:33
maybe the top five talk might go away just because of that, just
26:36
because of also the pass rushers too, like Bailey doing really
26:38
well. He might elevate himself into
26:39
the top five. There's a lot of discussion of
26:41
obviously these position hybrids too.
26:43
Caleb Downs, like how early is he going to go even though he's
26:45
not a premier position? Now we're going to have that
26:47
debate with Styles because Styles did that well, you're
26:49
running a 443, you're running with wide receivers.
26:52
There's not many linebackers that can do that in man coverage
26:55
that way, probably besides Fred Warner, Like you're not looking
26:57
at that him as being that positional prototype where as
27:01
long as you're coach, right, you can make that kind of thing
27:02
work. That could definitely elevate
27:03
you into the top ten depending on which teams like getting
27:06
premier in your positions. Now, obviously there are teams
27:08
like the Commanders and the Bengals seems like that, that
27:10
really need pass rush help, really need secondary help.
27:12
But still my favor somebody like Bailey a little more or Keldrick
27:15
Faulk, even though he didn't run, I'm still seeing some top
27:17
10 projections for him now. He's kind of like Rashawn Gary,
27:19
kind of a weird prototype because he's 6 foot 6 and 270.
27:23
Like is he a speed rusher? Is he a power rusher?
27:25
But there's still questions with him as well, and Styles is going
27:28
to have the same kind of thing as his.
27:30
Caleb, I would I would worry about Sonny Styles and and not
27:33
because I don't think he has the athletic ability to be a good
27:36
player in the NFL. He's not expected to be drafted
27:39
as high as now he's projected to be.
27:42
He's jumping very, very fast because of the combine he had.
27:46
And this is the mistake. We've seen this with Ohio State
27:48
Buckeye type of players and defensive players over the
27:51
years, like a Vernon Golston, you jump as high as this because
27:54
of the combine you have. And let's say the Giants say,
27:57
you know what, we like him, we're going to draft him at 5.
27:59
He could be a leader of our defense and he's not as good a
28:02
player on the football field is what he's putting up when it
28:05
comes to numbers and athletes, athletic style, athletic ability
28:08
he has at the combine. You would worry that this could
28:12
send Joe Shane packing as the GM.
28:14
Maybe the Giant fans want that, maybe they don't.
28:17
But this could be the pick that sends Joe Shane packing.
28:20
And that's the only thing that I would say about Sonny Styles.
28:23
I don't know if I'm making this move, if I'm the New York
28:26
Giants, because you're reaching on a prospect because of what he
28:30
did at the combine, Yeah. And you mentioned, I think
28:32
middle mid, first round pick was kind of his ceiling before this
28:35
combine. And that's because I think
28:37
you're looking at a lot of teams and maybe view him as a missing
28:39
piece in a defense that already has a good secondary or a good
28:42
pass rush. As it is already like a team
28:45
that has a or a support system for a team that has maybe
28:48
corners that have issues, maybe we'll consider that kind of
28:51
thing. But with this many this much
28:53
pass rushing talent, I still should not see him going
28:57
anywhere past maybe maybe the Chiefs do it at 9 or something
29:00
like that. Like maybe that's a player that
29:01
could be interesting even though they could use a pass rusher
29:03
too, but I don't see him going. Like, I do not see the Chiefs
29:08
drafting Sonny Styles. I'm telling you right now, Sonny
29:11
Styles is not going to be a top ten pick.
29:13
And if he is a top ten pick, whoever's picking him is making
29:16
a mistake. Yeah, that's.
29:17
What I was getting at, that's what he was like.
29:19
Well, I mean, Speedy, the problem with taking Sonny Styles
29:22
in the top 10 isn't that he's going to be a bad player, it's
29:25
just that there are a bunch of players that you think are going
29:28
to be. There's too many edge rushers
29:29
that are good, yeah. Vernon Golston is a great
29:32
example arrow that you brought up earlier where he just never
29:36
had the numbers like in in games, like the numbers at the
29:40
combine are great. Like Sonny Styles jumps out of
29:44
the gym. He should be in slam dunk
29:46
competitions, the type of athlete that he is.
29:50
But he had one sack last year and one forced fumble and one
29:54
pick, right? You know, 83 tackles, 46 were
29:58
solo. You know, like that's a loaded
30:00
defense. He, he didn't put up big
30:03
numbers. I don't really want a guy who
30:05
doesn't put up big numbers. If I'm drafting in the top five.
30:08
I want a guy like Bane who knows he's just not going to measure
30:12
grade against some of these freaks from Ohio State at the
30:15
combine. So he's not going to he's shown
30:17
enough tape. He had 410 games with four plus
30:21
pressures, 10 different games this season where he had four or
30:26
more pressures. That's unheard of.
30:28
That means he dominated everyone he played and he played
30:32
everyone. Everyone that was good,
30:34
including these guys on Ohio State that he had the face as
30:37
well, right? Everybody, they all had to fade.
30:41
He's faced everyone and he's put up the tape.
30:45
He's the guy that you want. Now they're saying his arms
30:47
might be too short, but he doesn't play like it's the same
30:50
game. You know, Errol, I told you
30:52
this. Their line coach, Speedy at EU
30:55
is Jason Taylor, Hall of Fame pass rusher Jason Taylor, they
31:00
know he knows all the moves. He's his student.
31:04
The guy is coming into the NFL with a better move set going
31:07
inside and outside than anyone else at the position.
31:10
Maybe he's not the same level athlete as a guy because he's
31:14
not born 65 like Sonny Styles. But I'll tell you what D end is
31:19
more important and I want the guy that's put it on that tape
31:22
every single time. I don't think Styles should go
31:24
in the top ten either. Errol.
31:26
I'm a little worried that Harbaugh wants a middle
31:28
linebacker right, Like Ray Lewis, like he had like he had
31:33
after Ray Lewis. He.
31:34
Didn't draft Ray Lewis either. I know, but he inherited Ray
31:37
Lewis. Yes, he.
31:38
Did all right I I worry that they want to go and take care of
31:42
the middle of that defense because think about what he did
31:43
after that they drafted queen and it didn't work out and they
31:48
and they traded him for Roquan Smith and paid him the top of
31:51
the line salary right. So he wants that guy on his
31:56
team. He's shown in the past that he
31:59
wants a captain of the defense, and I believe that's important.
32:02
But I don't think I'm spending top five capital now.
32:04
The best thing in my opinion, Errol, and I'll stop at this.
32:07
If the Giants somehow end up with Styles and Reese on the
32:11
board at 5:00, that's the only way I think they're going to be
32:14
able to trade down because they should be.
32:17
People should be asking for that pick.
32:18
Yeah, I was going to say if Reese, Reese would definitely be
32:22
a fit for Washington. So if you want another team to
32:24
trade up and steal them from Washington at.
32:26
Seven, I don't see. I do not see Reese passing top
32:29
five. I I cannot see that.
32:31
He's well, that's why I think if he's at five, yeah, I think the
32:34
Giants have that position covered.
32:37
I think that they should try to trade down, get assets, get back
32:41
to maybe 10 and maybe Caleb Downs is there at 10.
32:44
That would be nice. Again you really need the right
32:46
situation though. Like I said, if the edge rushers
32:48
are there for. Washington because Harbaugh has
32:50
shown he wants that guy, too. Harbaugh came in with Ed Reid.
32:54
He went and got Kyle Hamilton right top of the line guy that
32:58
that's what you want. If you know anything about
33:00
defense, it's you build it up the middle, you build it on the
33:03
line and then you build it from middle linebacker and then play
33:06
calling safety. And that's what you have.
33:09
And they had. And that's why those Ravens
33:11
defenses in 2000 were so great with Reed and and Lewis up the
33:14
middle. I'm interested, I'm interested
33:16
to see how teams are going to look at this draft and, and fill
33:20
in spots they need to fill in before they, well, it obviously
33:25
you have free agency, it's going to open up before obviously the
33:30
draft. So teams are going to be looking
33:32
at how they're going to add in free agency and then look at the
33:35
draft on how they're going to fill in those spots.
33:37
So I will say this, there are guys right now that The Jets, if
33:43
you're a Jet fan, The Jets are going to be looking at
33:45
linebackers. If The Jets are going to bring
33:47
in a linebacker from, let's say the Lions or somebody else,
33:51
there's a couple of good linebackers that are going to be
33:53
available this offseason or a pass rusher, they're going to
33:57
look elsewhere. Now, I, I also look, I, I, I do
34:00
believe that The Jets are going to look at Bailey and Bain as
34:03
their top priorities. Reese is another guy that
34:05
they're going to look at. But I, I think that if you're a
34:08
Jet fan, any one of those guys will make you happy.
34:10
The question is if if you pick wrong with one of these guys and
34:14
you decide to go with Reese over Bailey and Bain and Bain goes
34:19
something like 3 spots down or maybe 2 spots down and then
34:22
barely goes 4 spots down and these two guys become better
34:25
pass rushers than Reese and Reese is a bomb.
34:28
I mean, that could, that could set The Jets defense back for
34:32
years when you're going to get a chance at #2 to get the second
34:35
best, honestly, the best player off off the board because we all
34:39
know where #1 is going. It's going to it's going for a
34:43
quarterback. We know where the Raiders are
34:45
going. They're going after the Heisman
34:47
Trophy winner. So that's already off the board.
34:49
The Jets have the number two pick.
34:51
They have a chance to pick the best player on the board.
34:55
If you think Greece is the best player on the board, then draft
34:57
him. But don't make a mistake and
34:59
pick wrong and set your team back.
35:01
Your set your team's defense back for many, many years to
35:04
come. Let me give you a name before we
35:06
move on. Errol for the top of that second
35:08
round. Think about it.
35:10
The coach is a 59 corner, right? That was fast and really the
35:15
reason why he was so good is because he locked guys up and
35:17
you can stay with guys that were bigger than him and fight
35:20
through the ball. Talking about Darrell Revis, no.
35:22
No, I'm talking about Aaron Glenn when he was young,
35:24
younger, when he played himself. Well, Darrell, Darrell Revis was
35:27
fine. He was 511.
35:29
Revis. I looked it up.
35:29
Yeah. He's fine.
35:31
He's. Fine, but I'll tell you right
35:32
now. I I.
35:32
Met Jerrell, he's. Fine.
35:34
Glenn was small, right, Aaron Glenn.
35:35
We can agree with small. You know who the small corner is
35:37
that's dominant in this draft? It's the Indiana corner.
35:40
It's Pons. Pons plays very similarly and he
35:44
had a really good combine that I think he may even creep into the
35:48
first round. But because he's 59, he probably
35:51
falls to the top of the second and I believe Aaron Glenn is
35:56
going to be running up there to get that guy because they
35:59
obviously need Corner too. He's the number one corner and
36:03
they like the kid from Clemson too.
36:04
He's he's good too, so. Yeah, he'll definitely be a
36:06
first round pick. It may be later, but Avion
36:09
Terrell was AJ Terrell's. Brother and and remember this
36:11
the same thing. If you look at what the Eagles
36:13
did a couple of years ago, they they drafted two corners in the
36:18
1st and the second round. They did that and look what they
36:21
did. They won a Super Bowl after
36:23
that. If you look at The Jets, I
36:25
honestly think they really need to secure the secondary of that
36:28
team and they have two early second round picks and maybe you
36:33
go corner in both those picks. I I think you go, you want to
36:37
solidify the secondary and and if you're Aaron Glenn, you want
36:40
to make sure that your secondary is covered.
36:42
You have two shut down corners for the next, you know, four to
36:46
five years. That's the way I go.
36:48
That's the route I go. And then next year you worry
36:50
about the offensive side of the ball, because to me, The Jets
36:54
this year are not going to put up a lot of they're not going to
36:57
put up a lot of points no matter who the wide receivers are,
36:59
because they don't even know who their quarterbacks going to be.
37:02
They they don't have any idea. And even if they go after a Nuss
37:06
Meyer, if he's still there in the in the fourth round or if
37:09
The Jets want to trade up in the third round because they don't
37:11
have a third round pick, you're still you're still reaching with
37:15
the king. You still don't know what Nuss
37:16
Meyer is going to be as an NFL quarterback.
37:18
So you got to be very, very careful on what you're going to
37:22
do with this year and not an offensive draft.
37:24
This is this is a defensive draft.
37:27
Last year was the offensive draft with the wide.
37:29
Now everybody says there's still a lot of good wide receivers in
37:32
his class. We still could find wide
37:33
receivers in a later round, yes, but they're not expected to be
37:37
stars in his league. Maybe you'll you fit, you'll
37:39
find lightning in a battle and and one of these guys turned out
37:42
to be a superstar another Justin Jefferson or or one of these
37:46
star, you know, wide receivers in a league ACD lamp, but CD
37:49
lamp Justin Jefferson all first round talents.
37:52
So there are second, you know, second day guys that have made
37:57
it into the NFL and become very good players.
38:00
So we'll see how this all works. It's again, not a draft class
38:04
that I would say is an offensive draft.
38:08
Speedy, would you say that? Yeah, yeah.
38:10
I would say this is a defensive line draft first and a lot of
38:13
corner depth as well. I don't really think there's a
38:15
number like superstar type corner right away.
38:18
Like I think a lot of the the LSU corner, Medelane I think is
38:20
the first one I've seen on a lot of draft boards, but he's not
38:22
projected probably until the go to probably 13 or 14.
38:26
But yeah, defensive lineman, they're all those three.
38:28
Definitely Reese. I would say Bane, even with the
38:31
arm length issues, I think would still probably go top top ten,
38:35
maybe not top five. But again, definitely David
38:38
Bailey is now going to go in the top ten.
38:39
I wasn't as sure on him because I I look at like Tyree Wilson
38:42
was the last Texas Tech pass rusher and he went in the top
38:45
10. Hasn't really developed with the
38:46
Raiders. I thought he would be good but
38:48
it was a weird fit over there. I think Bailey might be a little
38:50
better than him as a college prospect wise, but he's still
38:54
going to go top ten regardless. And now you're dealing with a
38:56
case of with Auburn and some of those other SEC pass rushers
39:00
that could go there too. So, yeah, this is definitely a
39:02
defensive heavy draft, especially now.
39:04
Now with these new reports too, are there's questions with these
39:07
tackles being able to be a tackle in the NFL now?
39:09
I also look at the NFL in the draft.
39:12
Everybody looks at the combine. It's the end all be all.
39:15
Oh, you could find a player. If this guy has an unbelievable
39:18
combine, that's the guy I'm going to go after against the
39:21
guy that had a great season, like Bane.
39:23
Like you were saying, Fish Bane is that type of player that can
39:26
change a team, change a defense. You're not going to pass up on
39:30
the guy because somebody had a combine better or he didn't have
39:33
a combine or he didn't want to. He he he decided, you know what,
39:36
I'm going to do a pro day because that's what he's going
39:38
to do. He's got every one of these
39:39
players have a pro day. So he is going to have his pro
39:42
day. He's going to show off to the
39:43
scouts. He just decided, hey, you know
39:45
what, I don't want to do it in front of all these other people.
39:48
I'm going to do it in on my field.
39:50
I'm going to do it in front of my guys and with my guys and
39:52
show what I could do on my own field.
39:54
So I, I just think I know a lot of people don't obviously don't
39:59
like when these guys don't show up, especially a defensive
40:01
lineman obviously wants to compete with the other guys.
40:05
But I'm not going to say that Bane is not the guy that I'm
40:09
going to go after. That's not the guy that I'm
40:11
going to go and reach for just because of his arm length or or
40:15
that type of player that he has become in people's eyes because
40:19
hey, he doesn't fit the NFL mold of player so.
40:24
Remember Aaron Donald? They just said that he didn't
40:27
fit the mold either. He was 6 foot tall and you know
40:30
his arms weren't long enough. He had to play inside.
40:32
Well guess what, He became the best.
40:34
The tackle in the game, maybe the games I've received the best
40:38
3 technique. I mean just you never know.
40:40
You just got to look at the tape.
40:42
Watch what he does in games and if he always dominates there's a
40:46
good chance he's a pretty damn good player.
40:48
You don't give up on a player just because he decided, you
40:50
know what, I didn't want to play.
40:52
I didn't want to compete at the combine because all the scouts
40:56
and all the better scouts are going to go to his pro day.
40:58
Because if you're drafting in a top five, you're going to look
41:01
at him and say that that might be the guy that's going to
41:04
change my defense for the next 10 years.
41:07
And he could be a Super Bowl contending pass rusher that's
41:09
going to cause havoc at the line of scrimmage every time he's out
41:13
there and he's a three down defensive lineman.
41:16
He's that kind of player. He's going to be out there every
41:18
single game. He's a Michael Parsons, he's got
41:21
that kind of motor. He's that kind of player that
41:24
can go on the edge with speed. And I'm sure he's going to he's
41:28
going to lose a little bit of weight for this, this pro day
41:31
because he's going to show all the different moves that he has
41:33
with his his arms. And, and everybody says arms,
41:37
arms are the most important thing when it comes to defensive
41:39
line. That's not true because Von
41:42
Miller, Von Miller built his game on athletic gifts that he
41:47
has his spinning ability, moving inside and out, using his
41:51
position and his ability of using his speed to get inside
41:55
and attack the quarterback. So don't tell me that because
41:58
this guy has small arms or small hands or small feet, that's the
42:03
reason why you don't draft them in the top five.
42:05
It's a ridiculous statement and you don't pass up on a guy
42:08
that's gifted like him. Yeah, you're never going to pass
42:10
up on a guy that already has those athletic traits anyway, as
42:12
long as there isn't an off field issue.
42:14
And as of right now, we haven't heard anything with that either.
42:16
And I just want to finish off before we move on with with the
42:19
off field issue that you were talking about Fish with Makai
42:20
Lemon, which is interesting because he was actually my wide
42:23
receiver three. I thought I know you mentioned
42:25
you weren't sure if he was the first round pick last week,
42:27
Errol. I thought he was, but I again, I
42:30
will. He now he will.
42:31
He'll fall. He'll fall out of the first
42:33
round. Or maybe a team that like
42:35
doesn't need the leader in the draft that maybe needs a
42:37
receiver in the 1st. He'll fall, he'll fall in the
42:40
second round, They'll be teams lining up in the top ten of the
42:43
second round and they're going to draft.
42:45
They can't pass up on a wide receiver.
42:46
That can change, change your team in your offense.
42:49
I mean, you can put him on a slot, you can put him on the
42:51
outside, He can run. This guy has a gift of running
42:54
and he's a good route runner, yes.
42:55
So anybody would look at his gifts and say, wow, that's the
43:00
kind of guy that I want to draft and that's the guy I don't care
43:03
what he does on and off the field or some of the stupid
43:06
thinks he says but did. You see what he did, though,
43:08
like every clip you see of what he did at the combine, he tried
43:12
to like, intimidate the reporters.
43:15
It was like he like, tried to act like he was real tough and
43:19
look better than it was. It was really hard to watch.
43:22
It was like he got really bad advice.
43:24
I hope that's all it was. But everyone saw what happened
43:27
this year for Sanders last year. We all know what happened to
43:30
him. No one thinks it's going to
43:31
happen again, but I think this guy may have talked his way out
43:35
of the first round. And that's a shame because the
43:37
guy's a really, really great receiver.
43:40
I think he's going to play in the slot like more like an Amman
43:42
Ross St. Brown.
43:43
He says he's wants to model his game after him.
43:45
Another Trojan. You know, that's probably why I
43:48
picked him. But I it's, it's a similar comp.
43:52
I mean, the guy, if you could be Amman, St.
43:54
Ross, St. Brown, you take that in the
43:55
first round every single time. Obviously, you know, so maybe he
43:58
can do it, but you worry about those character concerns,
44:01
especially in the first round. That's how GM's get fired.
44:05
Yeah, I, I do think that Lemon is not going to be passed up in
44:09
the second round. You, you can't look at a player
44:11
with those kind of gifts and just say I don't like his
44:14
attitude. This is not Shidor Sanders.
44:15
This is not a quarterback. And you have to hit on the
44:19
quarterback. You can't make that mistake.
44:20
Quarterbacks are so very, very important to the team in the
44:24
organization and you you don't want to strike out on that.
44:26
And that's why he fell as far as he did, because they didn't like
44:30
his attitude. They didn't like how he
44:31
interviewed and he didn't like how he went up there when he
44:33
spoke to the reporters and said, well, I'm Shadora Sanders.
44:36
He was talking into a third person.
44:38
It doesn't work in the NFL. Kyla Murray has really pushed
44:41
his way out of Arizona because of it.
44:43
Now he's not even showing up and in speaking to the ownership and
44:46
speaking to the the GM and, and, and even even conversating about
44:50
where he sees himself with the Arizona Cardinals.
44:52
And that's why he's on his way out.
44:54
And that's why they're going to move them.
44:55
You need to be able to speak, speak freely, but not speak in a
45:00
way that's going to scare people away from you.
45:03
That's what Lemon did. But that doesn't mean that teams
45:06
are going to pass up and he's going to fall all the way to the
45:08
fifth round. If he falls anywhere past the
45:11
second round, he is an absolute 100% steal in the third round
45:16
and I can't see him going past the first pick of the third
45:19
round. You'd be an idiot, maybe even I
45:21
would say not even the mid second.
45:23
You would be an idiot. Just because of some bad
45:25
interviews. We've also heard, like how many
45:26
the teams have also asked these prospects weird interview
45:29
questions too. Like, I think they were making a
45:30
big. I think when Arthur Smith was in
45:31
Atlanta, he was like they asked him some of these prospects was
45:35
the weirdest. Question Wasn't St.
45:36
Brown a fourth round draft? Yeah, he was late.
45:38
Yeah, he was in that 21 draft too, with Chase and.
45:40
Wattle and all. Stuff like he didn't get a lot
45:43
of run and he was hurt. So like nobody really got to see
45:46
him play. It was one of those weird years
45:48
with him. Look, I really don't know what
45:52
it's going to take for some of these guys to to wake up and
45:56
just realize if you don't play, put good film on tape, it
46:00
doesn't matter. Now if you take a look at that
46:02
Miami team, they had offensive lineman that murdered people all
46:05
season and Mulgoa at right tackle was a freaking murderer.
46:10
But he was better in the run game than I thought in the past
46:12
blocking. And usually, and this is that
46:14
why Will Campbell stayed at tackle because Will Campbell is
46:17
a left tackle and left tackles are usually left on an island in
46:20
the past protection scheme a lot more than the right tackle.
46:23
So they have more experience handling this type of pass rush
46:27
at right tackle. You don't.
46:28
So it's more likely a right tackle will be moved inside to
46:31
guard, then a left tackle would be moved inside to guard.
46:34
And I think there's a lot of valid, you know, discussion
46:37
we'll go is 65310, some 320, something like that, which is,
46:42
you know, kind of like average, which is like guard size, right?
46:44
It's a little small for tackle, which is crazy to say that's
46:47
small in any imagination. That's small for tackle because
46:51
I'm going to tell you about another guy in a second Proctor.
46:53
But Mogoa, like if he plays guard, he could be the next
46:58
great guard in the league, but he definitely could play right
47:01
tackle for you. I would rather have him as a
47:03
Giant. If we traded back.
47:05
I'm good with that. I have no problem playing in a
47:08
right tackle. Then maybe down the road we
47:10
slide him into guard if we get a tackle.
47:12
Yeah. And I think a lot beautiful.
47:13
I think as long as the prospect is there, like is that good like
47:16
Malgo was supposed to be like, I don't think A-Team would have a
47:19
problem slotting a minute right tackle versus.
47:20
Left and also when you watch these guys practice against guys
47:24
like Ruben Bain and and mazador, these guys were practicing with
47:29
mangoa, so he was practicing with some of the best pass
47:32
rushers in the country and so you know we can compete against
47:35
them because there's film you can see there if you go watch
47:38
them practice they're playing one-on-one every single practice
47:41
against one another. So you know that Magog could
47:44
actually be a really good player in the end at the NFL level
47:47
because these guys are supposed to be NFL level pass rusher.
47:50
So and Mesedor, he's going to be a top end draft.
47:53
He's. Going to be a late first round
47:54
pick. I've seen him in most boxes.
47:55
He'll be. He'll be.
47:56
Like in the 20s, I think, or late teens.
47:58
The other guy that that we talked about was Proctor, and
48:01
Proctor's the big Alabama tackle.
48:03
He reminds me of Mckayback. Would you?
48:06
I, I want to say this, if you're the New York Jets at #2 you
48:10
let's say you, you pick Ruben Bane and you look at Mesador and
48:14
you have the number 16th pick. You trade down, you still, you
48:18
get it, you get a third round draft pick for that.
48:20
You trade down a couple of spots.
48:22
You still can get Mesador at the 2021 spot.
48:26
Would you do that and combine Mesador and Bane together on
48:31
that defensive line for the next five years?
48:34
I mean, if you were The Jets, that's the route I go.
48:37
You solidify your defensive line and then in the second round,
48:41
you go for corners and, and, and you, you solidify that
48:44
secondary. Then you really built your
48:46
defense up for the next 5 to 4 years.
48:50
And, and you, you really have something.
48:52
And then you in free agency, you're bringing in a linebacker
48:55
or two. You'll have one of the best
48:57
defenses in the AFC, especially in the AFC East.
49:00
So automatically you transition and change everything for what
49:04
The Jets were not last year. They didn't have the pass
49:07
rushing depth. Now you put bane on one side and
49:10
mesodor on the other and these guys played against one.
49:13
They played with each other for how many years with each other
49:16
and and put them on The Jets a super line.
49:19
I I think this would be a perfect fit.
49:20
And then you have Phillips in the middle and then you have the
49:24
kid that they just sweat that they just added to the defensive
49:26
line. Now you have your four guys
49:28
right up front that are going to be able to go after the for the
49:30
quarterback, yet you bring in a linebacker or two and free
49:34
agency. And then you bring in two young
49:36
corners and, and, and then you still little.
49:38
And I think you do have a pretty, we'll see how the
49:41
safeties work in free agency, because I know The Jets were
49:43
interested. I forget what safety they were
49:45
interested in. There is somebody in, in the, in
49:47
free agency The Jets are interested in.
49:49
But and they have the kid from Alabama that played pretty well
49:53
when he was staying, when he was actually healthy this year.
49:55
So I think you could solidify your defense in in the first and
49:59
second round off the top. And by the way, you trade down,
50:02
you get that third round draft pick, which you're missed, and
50:05
then you can go after a nuts Meyer in the third round and
50:08
reach on that, or a wide receiver if he falls to them in
50:10
the third. Round and and give yourself
50:12
another weapon. Probably need a tailback too.
50:14
Breeze Hall on the franchise tag.
50:16
You would imagine they're going to go get a tailback day 2.
50:19
You get it in day three, you can get one in.
50:21
You got two 4th. Round draft picks, you can get
50:24
one. That Arkansas kid ran a four,
50:27
three, I believe was the fastest running back time.
50:30
That's an interesting one. I was going to tell you Proctor
50:33
before we move on Proctor. I just don't know if I'm the one
50:37
drafting him. I don't know how many 6, seven,
50:40
370 LB guards are successful in the NFLI.
50:44
Know it worked a little bit with Mackay back then that year with
50:48
the Eagles get into the Super Bowl and win in the Super Bowl
50:51
didn't work as well as the year after that, right for where
50:54
where he went. And I don't know if that's a
50:57
great choice Alabama lineman for whatever reason.
51:01
And look, we know it with Evan Neal.
51:03
It just hasn't panned out. It's really just like I used to
51:06
play against a team like this in high school that they just had
51:09
like 3 times as many kids in their school and their guys are
51:12
just bigger than us. They weren't better, they just
51:14
had more big guys. And Alabama is just like that
51:17
bully team where they just have the big hulking lineman.
51:20
Are they the best lineman? Not necessarily.
51:23
Do they look really good when they play together and beat
51:24
teams up? Yes they do.
51:25
Yeah, they're going to lose. I would be a little afraid of
51:27
Proctor. He's going to lose value too
51:29
even if they do move him in interior too because the Penn
51:31
State kid, their interior kid did really well at the combine.
51:34
But Proctor's going to be a good player.
51:36
I don't think even if he falls in a couple of spots or maybe
51:38
falls in the second round, the guy's going to be good player at
51:41
Alabama. I know if you look at in the
51:44
past, Evan Neil and there are guys like Williams, Jonah
51:48
Williams that was drafted by the Bengals really didn't play at
51:51
the high level that everybody thought he was going to be as as
51:54
high a pick as he was with the Bengals.
51:56
I do believe that guys like Proctor, they do fit in the NFL
52:00
type of game. He's a big guy.
52:02
You move him into the guard position, whatever it, it
52:05
doesn't matter. He'll fit in.
52:06
You put him. Look at Makai Becton, Mackay
52:09
Becton did not fit out, fit very well as a tackle.
52:12
They moved him inside and he became a Pro Bowl.
52:14
Well, The Jets didn't move him inside.
52:16
The Eagles moved him inside and then he became a Pro Bowl guard
52:19
in the NFL and then he got a big contract and he, I think he went
52:22
to the Chargers and got a big contract from the Chargers.
52:25
So you can definitely move a guy with.
52:28
The Athletic He was like the second worst guard in the NFL
52:33
last year. Mackay, Beck.
52:34
Yeah, because he wasn't healthy. Yeah, because he wasn't healthy.
52:37
And that off that offensive flying was not healthy.
52:39
When you lose Slater and you lose Alt the way they did early
52:43
in the season, Slater didn't even play.
52:45
He he got hurt in preseason and and he got that big contract and
52:49
then Alt they lost him what in 6-7?
52:51
Against the Giants Week 4. They lost him pretty quick.
52:54
I I mean when you lose 2 tackles that good and and I'm going to
52:57
tell you this right now, the Chargers offensive line is going
52:59
to be the best offensive line in the NFL next year.
53:02
You can book that you. Can book it might it might not
53:05
have Makai Becton on it. You know, like he really was bad
53:08
last last year. So it, he had that one really
53:11
good season. It's proven that it can work.
53:14
But I I just don't know how many times we've seen guards this big
53:17
be successful in the NFL. I, I stand behind him as a
53:22
player. I, I saw what he did with the,
53:24
the Eagles. He was a big part of that
53:26
offensive line and that run that they had all the way to the
53:28
Super Bowl. He was a big part him and Saquon
53:31
Barkley. Now him going to another team in
53:35
his first year under a guy like Harball and losing the players
53:38
that they lost. They just, first of all, they
53:40
signed Mackay, Becton signed a three-year deal.
53:43
So he's there for at least another year and I can't see him
53:46
losing his position because I, I don't know how much they paid
53:49
him, but they paid him a pretty decent amount to be their
53:52
starting guard. I don't see them just decide
53:55
automatically, hey, we're going to part ways with him.
53:58
What were you going to say? He.
54:00
It's two year. He signed the two year, $20
54:02
million deal in March. They could cut him.
54:05
They could. They're not going to cut him.
54:07
They're not. And I I thought he signed a. 2.5
54:10
million dead cap charge that wouldn't really hurt them that
54:12
much. I don't think they're going to
54:14
cut him. I I think they'll ride with him
54:15
and see what he does in, you know, OTAs.
54:18
But Makai Becton just needs to keep his weight down.
54:21
That was been that's been his problem since he came into the
54:23
league. When he came from Louisville, he
54:26
didn't work out with The Jets because I thought The Jets
54:28
should have moved him to guard after his first season.
54:31
After the first season, he had a good first season and everybody
54:34
liked him. I just thought you can see that
54:37
he was never going to stay healthy the way these speed
54:40
Edgers were going to come off the edge and attack him.
54:43
Because after watching film, after the first year, they watch
54:46
enough film, they're going to be able to attack him in a
54:48
different kind of way. So and that's what they did in
54:50
his second year. He wasn't as good and he
54:52
couldn't stay healthy. He had that knee problem in his
54:54
second year and and it was a problem.
54:56
So I'm interested to see teams like the Chargers at full
55:00
strength this coming season. And also in the in the draft,
55:04
the Chargers didn't have, they don't have wide receiving help.
55:08
They don't have anything. And I expect maybe the Chargers
55:11
reaching for Lemon in the second round, maybe trading up with the
55:14
The Jets and getting a guy like Lemon because he would be an
55:18
explosive player on that Chargers team, especially a
55:20
speed demon. And what is Mike McDaniel like
55:23
those fast guys that can run routes like Tyreke or a Waddle?
55:29
These guys are just speed demons that can run routes.
55:31
And I'm telling you right now, a guy like Lemon would fit in a
55:34
Mike McDaniel type of off. Yeah, I was just saying that was
55:35
a perfect fit for him in the first round.
55:37
Like it made sense to you? No, but the.
55:39
Chargers. Not anymore.
55:40
I think he falls out because of what he did at the combine.
55:42
I mean, those interviews really pissed people off him and once
55:46
GM start to talk with another, with another, especially with
55:50
the interviews because the interviews are the most
55:52
important thing. I really do believe that.
55:54
Say whatever you want. It's when you're sitting down
55:56
with the coach in the GM and you're having a conversation and
55:59
they're showing you literature of how to read offense or how to
56:02
read defenses that they're going to run.
56:05
You have to interview very, very well and they're asking you
56:08
silly questions. They're asking you dumb
56:10
questions at this combine. And if you don't want to answer
56:14
them or you don't give them a straight up answer, they're
56:16
going to look at you and say, why did you ask me that
56:17
question? So obviously as, as a
56:22
personality, you have to go into those interviews and understand
56:25
that what they're looking for. And that's why you're, you're,
56:28
you're practicing. You're, you're, you're, you have
56:31
a coach, you're, you're sitting down with Jon Gruden before the
56:34
combine, because guys like Jon Gruden is going to give you the
56:37
understanding of what they're looking for because he's coached
56:40
and he, he's looking for this, you know, persistent personality
56:45
that's going to give you the right information, that's going
56:47
to give me that, that thought that says, yeah, that's the guy.
56:50
That's the guy that I want. And I don't know if what Lemon
56:53
said, but obviously it wasn't very good to multiple GMs and
56:57
now all the GMs are speaking. It's like, do do you really want
57:00
this head case on your roster? Would you draft him in the first
57:03
round or take him in the second round and take a chance with
57:07
them and see if this guy's the steal of the NFL draft?
57:11
And he might be. He really might be.
57:13
And like you said before, like there might be like teams that
57:16
don't that have passed up on character issues in the past
57:18
that still could get him in the second round and still could
57:20
make it a good value. Like the Cardinals drafted a lot
57:23
of guys last year that had a lot of character issues and
57:25
obviously the Browns forgot about it.
57:26
They draft character issue guys all the time, not even Justin or
57:29
Sanders. They drafted A defensive tackle
57:30
too, that had a domestic violence charge on him the year
57:33
before or something like that. So they might still get a good
57:36
value out of him as a wide receiver and Miami if they if he
57:39
falls there to the mid mid second round Dallas.
57:42
Oh no, The Jets have their picks.
57:43
I guess they wouldn't but like there's enough guy teams are
57:46
still going to do that because of the character.
57:47
I, I like if, if you're, if you're a team looking for a wide
57:52
receiver and if he falls out of the first round, you're
57:55
absolutely in the top five picks of the second round.
57:57
Going to jump on this kid. Yeah, you, you cannot not jump
58:01
on a kid that is a first round talent, A-Team talent, a guy.
58:05
Remember Elijah Moore now he's better than Elijah Moore.
58:08
Definitely Elijah Moore fell to the second round.
58:10
A lot of people thought he was a late 1st around talent.
58:13
Elijah Moore really didn't develop in the NFLI know he was
58:16
Brown's best friend and they grew up together and he's like a
58:19
little brother to him. And Brown came out and and said,
58:21
oh, not Antonio Brown, by the way.
58:25
I just say he doesn't have that level of character issues.
58:27
Yet, but I, I, I think that what Elijah Moore did is he, he
58:32
didn't develop maybe because he went to The Jets, maybe it was
58:35
just the coaching staff or they didn't put him in the right
58:37
position to succeed. But Elijah Moore, even when he
58:40
went to the Browns and when he jumped from team to team, it
58:42
just hasn't worked out in the NFL.
58:44
Speed doesn't always work out in the NFL.
58:47
You have to be a good route runner.
58:48
And if you look at the past, look at look at Justin
58:51
Jefferson, everybody says, well, what makes Justin Jefferson so
58:54
good? Is it is it his athletic ability
58:56
or is his speed? Justin Jefferson's fast, but is
58:59
he the fastest wide receiver in the NFL?
59:01
No. His route running, the ability
59:04
to see the field the way he does stop and, and move in, in a, in
59:08
a slant, you know, or move in a jig and, and, and catch that
59:12
ball and run on the outside the way he does.
59:15
He is one of the best in the league.
59:17
He's a an Odell Beckham prototype kid that has been so
59:21
successful in the league. And if McCarthy can actually
59:23
throw him the ball, you know, he has 15 hundred 1500 yards last
59:28
year and and 10 touchdowns instead of 2.
59:30
So I I mean, you need a guy that can get him the ball.
59:32
So the quarterback is the most important position.
59:34
And that's why Shador Sanders fell out of the first round,
59:37
fell out of the second round and all the way to the fifth round,
59:39
because nobody liked the fact that the way he interviewed and
59:42
the way he talked to the media. I don't know if what Lemon said
59:45
to the media or what Lemon said in the at the combine.
59:49
Speaking to the GM and the coaches is going to really
59:52
change his position because his numbers at the combine were
59:55
pretty damn good. Yeah, and also like you were
59:57
saying too with the with Justin Jefferson, like going to the
1:00:01
argument with Tate too, like a lot of people, I think he's
1:00:03
going to fault. So that's another example of,
1:00:05
like I was saying, crystal lame last week, but Jefferson maybe
1:00:08
didn't showcase the route tree as much.
1:00:09
It tells you because Jamar Chase did a lot of the deep stuff and
1:00:11
all that stuff, but Jefferson is showing it in the NFL.
1:00:13
He could do everything. And now you're seeing that kind
1:00:15
of thing with Tate or what the level he could be.
1:00:16
Just because he played with Jeremiah Smith doesn't mean he
1:00:18
couldn't do other things too. To me, when you look at a
1:00:21
player, you look at what obviously what program they're
1:00:25
coming out of. Programs are so very important
1:00:29
because if you look at Ohio State, they have been known to
1:00:33
have great wide receivers. Alabama has been known to have
1:00:36
great wide receivers. USC has been known to have great
1:00:40
wide receivers. You see what I'm saying?
1:00:42
Miami, over the years, good wide receivers.
1:00:45
So you look at those organizations and those those
1:00:49
programs and say if it's the right coach or it's the the
1:00:54
right player, those are the guys I'm going after in the first and
1:00:57
second round or third round, late third round picks to to
1:01:01
reach on. Because those guys come from the
1:01:03
best programs. Those guys come from programs
1:01:05
where there's a success rate at those positions.
1:01:08
So that's the way I look at it and that's the way if I'm AGM
1:01:12
and I'm looking at what I'm looking for when it comes to
1:01:15
style, when it comes to speed or when it comes to route running
1:01:19
and how they're going to play offense or defense in the NFL.
1:01:23
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Now we are under blue wire and that is a network, but I'm
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talking about one of the major big networks.
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So what we're doing is unique and different.
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We work our asses off to entertain you guys and perform
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the best possible product that we have.
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We put it out there 110% and even the interns on the back
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end, they work on the videos, they cut, they chop, they put it
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out there. So for all the fans out there on
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Spotify and Apple listening to the steak right now, when when
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you get a chance to listen to it, listen to me and hear me
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out. You guys are the reason why we
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do this. You guys are the reason why we
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do this. So we appreciate all you guys
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that TuneIn and love what we do. It means the world to me.
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I want to thank everybody and we'll be back on Thursday with
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Chris Childs. Yes, Chris Childs will be here
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on Jabba in the Mouth. I want to give a shout out to
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Jabba Chamberlain. Today is the year anniversary of
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his father's passing. We, we love you Jabba.
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I hope everything's going well with you and your family.
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Take care, take care of yourself.
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And shout out to Quinton Couples and all the guys.
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We, we love you. And we'll talk to you on
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Thursday. Good night, it's the worldwide
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sports radio network. Radio Network.