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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. One
- 0:04Speaker 1: of the things that I have heard as far as
- 0:07Speaker 1: speculation when it comes to this case that has really
- 0:11Speaker 1: interested me is was the killer waiting for these kids
- 0:15Speaker 1: inside of the house when they got there or did
- 0:18Speaker 1: the killer come in after these kids went to sleep?
- 0:22Speaker 1: And obviously it's all speculation one way or the other
- 0:25Speaker 1: but I always had this feeling that it's possible that
- 0:29Speaker 1: the killer could have been waiting in ambush inside of
- 0:31Speaker 1: this house, knowing that all of them were out, knowing
- 0:35Speaker 1: that it would be easy peasy to sneak in with
- 0:37Speaker 1: nobody there and then wait in that abandoned room, maybe? Now, again,
- 0:42Speaker 1: this is all speculation, but it's interesting because in this
- 0:46Speaker 1: article we're about to dive into, a gentleman named Kenneth Maines,
- 0:50Speaker 1: who used to be a law enforcement official, and he's
- 0:53Speaker 1: the founder of American Investigative Society of Cold Cases, as
- 0:58Speaker 1: well as running a YouTube channel, he had an interview
- 1:01Speaker 1: with a death row inmate who had some pretty interesting
- 1:05Speaker 1: things to say. So let's dive into this article from
- 1:08Speaker 1: Newsweek and let's check this out. Headline, Idaho killer may
- 1:13Speaker 1: have been waiting in house for victims to get home.
- 1:17Speaker 1: This article was authored by Matthew Impelli. Amid the ongoing
- 1:22Speaker 1: investigation into the quadruple homicide in Moscow, Idaho, Some have
- 1:27Speaker 1: recently posed theories that the perpetrator was inside the home
- 1:31Speaker 1: before the victims arrived, waiting for them. And this is
- 1:35Speaker 1: chilling to think about. The thought of somebody waiting for
- 1:39Speaker 1: you in your own home and then ambushing you when
- 1:42Speaker 1: you're asleep is the kind of thing that has your
- 1:45Speaker 1: boy going to check every bedroom as soon as he's
- 1:49Speaker 1: done with this recording. Can you imagine that? Somebody going
- 1:55Speaker 1: through all of the motions, premeditating this murder, planning it out,
- 1:59Speaker 1: and then hiding out and waiting in ambush inside of
- 2:02Speaker 1: this house? That is some terrifying stuff to even think about. Now,
- 2:07Speaker 1: of course, remember, just speculation. On Thursday, Kenneth Maines, a
- 2:15Speaker 1: former law enforcement official and founder of the American Investigative
- 2:19Speaker 1: Society of Cold Cases said, interviewed a convicted murderer on
- 2:23Speaker 1: death row in San Quentin, California, who offered a new
- 2:26Speaker 1: theory on the fatal stabbings of Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan,
- 2:31Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. I believe that the killer
- 2:37Speaker 1: was inside the house already, death row inmate William Noguera
- 2:40Speaker 1: said during the interview, which aired on Mainz's YouTube channel,
- 2:44Speaker 1: Unsolved No More. I believe that the person was already
- 2:48Speaker 1: in the house when the kids arrived. He took advantage,
- 2:51Speaker 1: that they were not home. And look, it's certainly a
- 2:54Speaker 1: scenario that fits. It wouldn't be very difficult to know
- 2:58Speaker 1: that these kids were all gone and then to creep
- 3:01Speaker 1: into the pad. Now, how they got in is up
- 3:04Speaker 1: for debate. Was it the sliding glass door? Was it
- 3:07Speaker 1: the front door? We're hearing now that the front door
- 3:09Speaker 1: was left wide open when the neighbor saw what was
- 3:13Speaker 1: going on at 830 in the morning. So there's a
- 3:15Speaker 1: lot of conflicting stories, right? and it comes down to
- 3:19Speaker 1: which one seems to be the most likely. And while
- 3:22Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I ascribe to this, that the
- 3:25Speaker 1: killer or killers were laying in wait for these kids
- 3:28Speaker 1: to get home, it's certainly a possibility. The comments by
- 3:34Speaker 1: Noguera come amid the ongoing investigation into the quadruple homicide
- 3:38Speaker 1: which occurred on November 13th at a residence located near
- 3:42Speaker 1: the University of Idaho. The Moscow Police Department said that
- 3:46Speaker 1: all four victims were fatally stabbed, and some appeared to
- 3:50Speaker 1: have defensive wounds. However, police have not said which victim
- 3:56Speaker 1: was attacked first. Now, that'll be interesting, right? Again, we
- 4:00Speaker 1: don't have all of the pieces. And I hate to
- 4:02Speaker 1: keep saying that, but we have to keep that in
- 4:05Speaker 1: mind when we're trying to navigate through this. It's not like, say,
- 4:09Speaker 1: the Jeffrey Epstein case, where I can rely on a
- 4:12Speaker 1: bazillion different court documents and we can make our way
- 4:15Speaker 1: through that. That gives you a good basis, right? And
- 4:18Speaker 1: you can find a lot of bullshit that's been going
- 4:21Speaker 1: on throughout the decades. But there's no blueprint here. And,
- 4:25Speaker 1: you know, I keep seeing people saying things like typically
- 4:28Speaker 1: or usually, but there's nothing typical about this. There's nothing
- 4:32Speaker 1: usual about this. And there's really nothing with precedent that
- 4:36Speaker 1: we have seen any time in recent memory anyway. No
- 4:42Speaker 1: suspect or person of interest has been identified in the
- 4:45Speaker 1: crime as of Thursday. Following the interview, Newsweek reached out
- 4:50Speaker 1: to Mainz for further comment on the theory posed. I
- 4:54Speaker 1: understand where he's coming from with saying the offender was
- 4:57Speaker 1: in the house already. It does have merit. Yet I
- 5:00Speaker 1: would make that conclusion based on what I have seen.
- 5:03Speaker 1: It is certainly possible, Mainz told Newsweek, and that's where
- 5:06Speaker 1: I'm at too. We have no idea what could have
- 5:09Speaker 1: happened inside this house or leading up to the time
- 5:12Speaker 1: of these murders, so everything has to be on the
- 5:15Speaker 1: table until it's ruled out. Jennifer Coffendaffer, a former FBI agent,
- 5:21Speaker 1: also spoke to Newsweek about the theory that the killer
- 5:24Speaker 1: could have been in the home prior to the victim's
- 5:26Speaker 1: arrival and offered a somewhat different take. Coffendaffer said that
- 5:31Speaker 1: it's a possibility that the perpetrator was inside the house
- 5:34Speaker 1: prior to the victim's arrival. but said that she thinks
- 5:38Speaker 1: it could be an individual on the peripheral that could
- 5:41Speaker 1: be in this party house and just not left. So
- 5:45Speaker 1: basically saying that there was a kickback or something going on,
- 5:48Speaker 1: or people came over and this person just hunkered down
- 5:52Speaker 1: and waited it out. That's pretty crazy. I don't know
- 5:55Speaker 1: if I can buy into that, but look again, everything
- 5:58Speaker 1: is possible, right? Until we have something a certainty, somebody
- 6:01Speaker 1: in custody, we have M.O., and we have heads or
- 6:05Speaker 1: tails about what went on. All of this shit is possible.
- 6:10Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say it would be more
- 6:11Speaker 1: likely someone would have been there, possibly in plain sight,
- 6:15Speaker 1: at least initially, Coffin Daffer told Newsweek, and then just
- 6:19Speaker 1: didn't leave. And the victims thought they left. Well, that
- 6:23Speaker 1: would rely on them having a party there before they
- 6:26Speaker 1: all went out for the night. Who was all over
- 6:28Speaker 1: there previously? Was there anybody who was, you know, a weirdo,
- 6:33Speaker 1: somebody that wasn't part of the friend group? Because I
- 6:37Speaker 1: think that that whole entire theory that Ms. Coffendaffer is
- 6:40Speaker 1: presenting here would rely on that. Former FBI profiler Mary
- 6:46Speaker 1: Ellen O'Toole also spoke to Newsweek about the offender being
- 6:51Speaker 1: inside the home prior to the victims arriving and said,
- 6:54Speaker 1: it is certainly a possibility that cannot be eliminated at
- 6:57Speaker 1: this point. And she's 100% right. I think it's foolish,
- 7:02Speaker 1: especially if you're an investigator, to rule out anything until
- 7:06Speaker 1: you can rule it out. Now, of course, the investigators
- 7:09Speaker 1: aren't going to tell us what they think. They're not
- 7:13Speaker 1: going to say to us, oh, well, we think that
- 7:15Speaker 1: the perpetrator or perpetrators were hanging out in the bathroom
- 7:19Speaker 1: and they were waiting for the kids to get home.
- 7:21Speaker 1: They're never going to say that to us. But eventually, hopefully,
- 7:25Speaker 1: when somebody is caught, all of these pieces are going
- 7:27Speaker 1: to come together. And as of right now, with us
- 7:32Speaker 1: not knowing anything really, because let's be very clear, folks,
- 7:36Speaker 1: we're a month in and we really don't have much
- 7:38Speaker 1: to go on here. But it's certainly possible that the
- 7:42Speaker 1: killer or killers could have been lying in wait and,
- 7:45Speaker 1: you know, setting up an ambush for these kids when
- 7:48Speaker 1: they got home. According to O'Toole, the offender was in
- 7:53Speaker 1: the house beforehand, and made a noise that alerted the
- 7:56Speaker 1: victims when they returned. It could have permanently interrupted the crime. However,
- 8:01Speaker 1: she noted that it increases the offender's risk level to
- 8:05Speaker 1: hide out in the home before the students came home,
- 8:08Speaker 1: but this offender is a risk taker anyway. So we're
- 8:12Speaker 1: starting to get a bit of a profile of the
- 8:14Speaker 1: person or persons that did this, according to some of
- 8:18Speaker 1: the experts that are following along. Now, remember, Um, Mary
- 8:23Speaker 1: Ellen O'Toole is somebody who has been profiling for the
- 8:26Speaker 1: FBI for a very long time. So a lady that
- 8:28Speaker 1: knows her work definitely knows what she's doing. However, she's
- 8:32Speaker 1: just giving her opinion too. She doesn't have access to
- 8:35Speaker 1: case files. She hasn't sat down with anybody. She hasn't
- 8:38Speaker 1: looked at any information. So like usual, when we go
- 8:41Speaker 1: over an article like this, I want to reiterate that
- 8:44Speaker 1: this is just the opinion of the people being interviewed. Now,
- 8:48Speaker 1: they are people with a lot of experience, so I
- 8:51Speaker 1: do take that into account. But at the end of
- 8:54Speaker 1: the day, they haven't been there and they haven't been
- 8:57Speaker 1: looking at the case files themselves. Nonetheless, the bottom line
- 9:02Speaker 1: is that yes, it is possible that the offender was
- 9:05Speaker 1: already in the home when the students returned. At this point,
- 9:09Speaker 1: This theory cannot be disputed until forensics dispute it and
- 9:13Speaker 1: or until the offender is apprehended and gives a confession
- 9:16Speaker 1: about what happened that night. O'Toole told Newsweek. And that's
- 9:20Speaker 1: pretty much it, right? Until we can say for sure, definitively,
- 9:25Speaker 1: this didn't happen. We have to keep it on the
- 9:27Speaker 1: table and take it as a possibility. According to police,
- 9:33Speaker 1: Gonsalves and Mogan are believed to have returned to their
- 9:36Speaker 1: residence at 1122 King Road at around 156 a.m. local time.
- 9:42Speaker 1: Chapin and Kernodle are believed to have returned at around
- 9:46Speaker 1: 145 a.m. local time. The murders are believed to have
- 9:49Speaker 1: been committed between 3 a.m. and 4 a.m. local time. Now, however,
- 9:55Speaker 1: with the kids coming home, they all congregated for a
- 9:57Speaker 1: little while, I'm guessing, had some food. upstairs in the kitchen.
- 10:01Speaker 1: So if this person was hiding in the house, this
- 10:04Speaker 1: is an absolutely brazen, brazen individual. Somebody who really doesn't
- 10:10Speaker 1: have any fear, right? If you were scared, you certainly
- 10:13Speaker 1: wouldn't be waiting in this house. So this is somebody
- 10:16Speaker 1: who's very, very dangerous, folks. Either way, Right. And if
- 10:21Speaker 1: somebody was waiting in the house, just makes him even
- 10:23Speaker 1: more brazen. So we'll have to see what the investigation
- 10:27Speaker 1: unearths and what it tells us. But it's certainly a
- 10:30Speaker 1: possibility that the person or persons was lying in wait.
- 10:34Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
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