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- 0:05Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A triple homicide. In all
- 0:16Speaker 1: my years of prosecuting, I've only had a handful of
- 0:20Speaker 1: triple homicides to investigate and take to trial. And I
- 0:25Speaker 1: can tell you why they all go to trial, Because
- 0:28Speaker 1: who's going to sign up for either the death penalty
- 0:32Speaker 1: or three consecutive life sentences one after the next. It
- 0:36Speaker 1: might as well roll the dies and hope they get
- 0:39Speaker 1: a weak jury. But think about it, A triple homicide.
- 0:45Speaker 1: A single homicide crime scene is awful enough, devastating, jarring,
- 0:51Speaker 1: it sticks with you forever. But a triple homicide, especially
- 0:56Speaker 1: under these circumstances. IMC. Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
- 1:04Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in
- 1:06Speaker 1: series XM one eleven. A triple homicide. But what if anything,
- 1:16Speaker 1: does sex have to deal with it? First of all,
- 1:21Speaker 1: take a listen to this tonight. We begin with breaking
- 1:24Speaker 1: news out of Oldmogi County. The Sheriff's office is investigating
- 1:28Speaker 1: a triple homicide north of Begs two works for use.
- 1:31Speaker 1: Tatiana Taylor is on the scene with the latest information. Tatiana,
- 1:35Speaker 1: it's still an active scene right now. I'm here about
- 1:38Speaker 1: a mile away from the home where three people were
- 1:41Speaker 1: found dead. Police are still behind me blocking the road
- 1:44Speaker 1: and right now. Information is still scarce at this time,
- 1:47Speaker 1: but sheriff deputies tell us it happened around three this
- 1:49Speaker 1: afternoon in a rural neighborhood north of Begs on Lake
- 1:53Speaker 1: Ridge Drive. At this time, we don't know the cause
- 1:55Speaker 1: of deaths or the three victims names the triple homicide.
- 1:59Speaker 1: It is still being invested to get it, but we
- 2:00Speaker 1: will continue to keep you updated online as we've received
- 2:03Speaker 1: more information about what happened today. Hearing just that bit
- 2:07Speaker 1: of information is setting off all sorts of alarms in
- 2:11Speaker 1: my head, red flags of waving at me like I'm
- 2:14Speaker 1: a bull at a stadium. The matador would be the
- 2:19Speaker 1: killer with me. And I'll start panel making sense of
- 2:23Speaker 1: what we know right now. First of all, high profile
- 2:25Speaker 1: lawyer joining us from Jacksonville, Dale Carson. He's not just
- 2:30Speaker 1: a lawyer, he's a former FED with the FBI and
- 2:34Speaker 1: he's an author of Arrest Proof Yourself. You can find
- 2:37Speaker 1: him at Dale Carson Law dot com. Doctor Jerry Krosen,
- 2:42Speaker 1: Psychologists Faculty, sat Leo University, consultant with the Blue Wall
- 2:46Speaker 1: Institute and author of Operation s O S Joseph Scott Morgan,
- 2:52Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
- 2:56Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon and start of a new hit series,
- 3:00Speaker 1: Body Bags. That just Scott Morgan on iHeart Dale Carson,
- 3:04Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Or were all three of the victims,
- 3:08Speaker 1: who are all adults, they were all asleep? Correct? That's right.
- 3:12Speaker 1: They were asleep until the rounds started going off and
- 3:16Speaker 1: then they pushed. Two of them tried to hide in
- 3:18Speaker 1: clausets in order to protect themselves, and one probably couldn't
- 3:23Speaker 1: do anything. Guys, take a listen to our France akfo
- 3:30Speaker 1: R News four investigators say two mass suspects were seen
- 3:34Speaker 1: on security cameras outside the rural home. Minutes later, the
- 3:37Speaker 1: electricity is cut. Reports say while the family slept, suspects
- 3:41Speaker 1: kicked in the door and shot them to death one
- 3:44Speaker 1: by one. Documents say Evelyn Chandler suffered mentally and physically
- 3:48Speaker 1: before the sixty nine year old was shot to death
- 3:50Speaker 1: as the suspects quote began firing gunshots, striking and killing
- 3:53Speaker 1: her husband, Jack Randall Chandler, as she attempted to hide
- 3:56Speaker 1: from the intruders, seeking refuge in her closet. I Corps
- 4:00Speaker 1: was also tortured and abused before she was killed. Because
- 4:03Speaker 1: the forty three year old quote herd intruders entered the
- 4:06Speaker 1: home she shared with her parents and began firing gunshots,
- 4:09Speaker 1: striking and killing her parents. The dichotomy of such a
- 4:15Speaker 1: brutal triple homicide and such a rural area seemingly with
- 4:22Speaker 1: low crime is very disturbing To leave my page Where
- 4:26Speaker 1: exactly exactly is Beg's, Oklahoma? So Beg's, Oklahoma is a
- 4:31Speaker 1: small town in Oklamolte County, Oklahoma, and that is about
- 4:36Speaker 1: an hour and a half east of Oklahoma City. So
- 4:39Speaker 1: the nearest big city is an hour and a half away.
- 4:42Speaker 1: So this is a very small town, very quiet, not
- 4:46Speaker 1: something where you would see these horrific triple homicides occur regularly.
- 4:51Speaker 1: Someone coming in in the middle of the night at
- 4:53Speaker 1: three am, when they know everybody is asleep, kicking in
- 5:00Speaker 1: the door and opening fire. To Levipage Crime online dot
- 5:06Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, I have not learned anything about a theft,
- 5:12Speaker 1: a burglary, a robbery, or a sex crime. Is that correct?
- 5:18Speaker 1: You're correct, Nancy. The only evidence was that the door
- 5:23Speaker 1: of the home was kicked in. We know that there
- 5:27Speaker 1: was a ballcap left out the scene, but there was
- 5:30Speaker 1: nothing stolen. Shell casings indicated that it was by two
- 5:34Speaker 1: different weapons, and that's all that investigators had when they
- 5:39Speaker 1: discovered this horrific murder scene. You're giving me a flashback
- 5:43Speaker 1: LEVI page. You said a single ball cap was found
- 5:46Speaker 1: at the same What kind of ball cap? We don't
- 5:48Speaker 1: know what kind it was. We just know that a
- 5:51Speaker 1: cap looked like a mail cap was left at the
- 5:55Speaker 1: scene in the driveway. Cap left at Saint in driveway.
- 6:00Speaker 1: You know Del Carson, high profile lawyer joining us out
- 6:04Speaker 1: of Jacksonville. It reminds me very much of a case
- 6:09Speaker 1: that I had to retry. The original case occurred when
- 6:13Speaker 1: I was in law school. The murderer and the attempted
- 6:16Speaker 1: murder and rape, and by the time I had graduated
- 6:20Speaker 1: law school, been a fed for three years, got finally
- 6:25Speaker 1: with the DA's office and had prosecuted for a year
- 6:28Speaker 1: or so. I was asked to retry the case. It
- 6:32Speaker 1: was reversed on appeal and sent back down for a
- 6:34Speaker 1: retrial by the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. All we
- 6:38Speaker 1: had was and when I tried to find in the
- 6:42Speaker 1: evidence room the property that was left behind from the case.
- 6:47Speaker 1: We had one X ray and one baseball cap that
- 6:50Speaker 1: said kiss My Bass. That cap later became very, very
- 6:57Speaker 1: important because a guy had been spotted with a stolen
- 7:03Speaker 1: ATM card nearby on the video wearing the kiss My
- 7:11Speaker 1: Bass hat, and then the hat was found at the
- 7:18Speaker 1: scene just like this. So Del Carson, a baseball cap
- 7:23Speaker 1: may seem unimportant or innocuous, but in cases like these,
- 7:28Speaker 1: you gotta triple homicide. You don't have a rape, You're
- 7:30Speaker 1: not gonna get DNA. Nothing was stolen, so it's not
- 7:33Speaker 1: gonna be hopped, and you'll trace them through a pawn shop.
- 7:36Speaker 1: That hat could be very important. I mean, how do
- 7:40Speaker 1: I know it's not going to be on a McDonald's
- 7:41Speaker 1: drive through video thirty minutes before one of the twenty
- 7:45Speaker 1: four hour ones if there's one in the area. I mean,
- 7:48Speaker 1: who knows what you can learn from that hat? Well,
- 7:51Speaker 1: and more than that, today we get DNA from the
- 7:54Speaker 1: sweat band of the hat. And here is another critical point.
- 7:58Speaker 1: Someone tried to remove the rounds that were fired to
- 8:02Speaker 1: kill these people, put them in a hat, and the
- 8:04Speaker 1: like many criminals left it at the scene when they're
- 8:07Speaker 1: in a rushed apart. So that's all part of this.
- 8:11Speaker 1: Why would they try to hide the kind of rounds
- 8:14Speaker 1: that were used by taking the casings with them? Why
- 8:18Speaker 1: did that happen? And you know, Joe Scott Morgan enter
- 8:22Speaker 1: the scene, Joe Scott, because that is what you and
- 8:25Speaker 1: I love to dissect, is staging. Why would someone gather
- 8:32Speaker 1: up the shell casing? Yeah, and that is because they
- 8:37Speaker 1: are specific identifiers. And let me tell you what calibers were, Nancy.
- 8:41Speaker 1: We've got what is called a five point five six
- 8:45Speaker 1: millimeter round which is fired generally from what's referred to
- 8:50Speaker 1: as an M four platform, which is kind of a
- 8:54Speaker 1: military weapon that our troops use, high velocity round. And
- 8:59Speaker 1: then you've got nine millimeter rounds, which are most commonly
- 9:02Speaker 1: fired from a handgun, generally semi automatic. So you've got
- 9:06Speaker 1: these rounds that are being ejected all over the place,
- 9:10Speaker 1: and you know the perpetrators would have, first off, they
- 9:13Speaker 1: came prepared. Are a perpetrator, you know, when you've got
- 9:16Speaker 1: two weapons, you want to make sure that you're getting
- 9:18Speaker 1: the job done. Rolled off your tongue. Well, that's the
- 9:23Speaker 1: way we you know, unfortunately, as investigators, we kind of
- 9:25Speaker 1: have to inhabit the brains of these people many times. Yea,
- 9:30Speaker 1: I try not to. And when you know, to Dale's point,
- 9:34Speaker 1: not just DNA, but you know, these shell casings their
- 9:36Speaker 1: brass nancy and so that means that means that they
- 9:40Speaker 1: are a non porous surface. And what can happen is
- 9:44Speaker 1: as these individuals, assuming they're not wearing gloves or picking
- 9:47Speaker 1: up these rounds and spent casings and placing them in
- 9:50Speaker 1: a ballcap for instance, they are actually leaving latent prints
- 9:54Speaker 1: behind on the sides of these casings. So if you
- 9:58Speaker 1: can recover DNA and you can recover recover a latent print,
- 10:04Speaker 1: sometimes I can. That can be a winning shot a
- 10:07Speaker 1: grand sky either one. Either one of those would work
- 10:10Speaker 1: for me. Now, explained Joe Scott, how you are stating
- 10:15Speaker 1: that fingerprints. I hate to put too much information out
- 10:20Speaker 1: there because now perps they're going to be wiping off
- 10:23Speaker 1: the shelf as they load them or do it with gloves.
- 10:26Speaker 1: But explain how prints can be found on ammo? Yeah,
- 10:30Speaker 1: on Ammo particularly, it's it's done. And let me tell you,
- 10:34Speaker 1: you know, you see you see these images on the
- 10:36Speaker 1: news and TV shows and whatnot where they're dusting for
- 10:39Speaker 1: prints on surfaces. That's not how this works. Not with
- 10:43Speaker 1: rounds like this. What's going to happen is that these
- 10:46Speaker 1: rounds will be carefully packaged and taken back. WHOA wait
- 10:50Speaker 1: a minute, m carefully packaged explained? Don't leave anything out?
- 10:57Speaker 1: Do they mean carefully packaged? How do they do it?
- 11:00Speaker 1: When you're trying to pick up a gun, a casing
- 11:03Speaker 1: or shell, you don't want to mess up the fingerprint
- 11:07Speaker 1: that could be on a partial. No, you don't, and
- 11:10Speaker 1: you have to be very very careful. The upside, the
- 11:13Speaker 1: upside with a if you're trying to recover a spent casing,
- 11:18Speaker 1: is that it actually has a hole where the projectile
- 11:21Speaker 1: has actually come out of. You can pick it up interiorly,
- 11:25Speaker 1: you know, you can take like a pencil, or you
- 11:27Speaker 1: can take, for instance, imagine a toilet paper roll. Yeah,
- 11:34Speaker 1: that's a good point. Yeah, you reach into the spent
- 11:37Speaker 1: cartridge like that and pick it up and you never
- 11:41Speaker 1: have to touch the exterior of the spint casing at all.
- 11:45Speaker 1: So you package it and then once it's sealed up,
- 11:49Speaker 1: maintaining that chain of evidence, as you know, you take
- 11:53Speaker 1: it to the lab and then you process it at
- 11:54Speaker 1: that moment time. Now you can go down two different
- 11:56Speaker 1: roads with this, you can either dust it or uh,
- 12:01Speaker 1: you know, famously, we can uh use superglue fuming where
- 12:05Speaker 1: we put it into a case, heat up superglue, and
- 12:09Speaker 1: as that superglue that has essentially clouded up in this
- 12:13Speaker 1: environment begins to settle back down because of gravity, it
- 12:16Speaker 1: will actually fall on to the surface of this brass area.
- 12:20Speaker 1: And remember, fingerprints are generated from what's called fatty lipid
- 12:24Speaker 1: acids on the surface of this brass, and that that
- 12:28Speaker 1: that systomized fingerprint, that hisstomized superglue will actually fuse fuse
- 12:35Speaker 1: to the exterior of that brass and it will stay
- 12:39Speaker 1: there forever and ever. Amen, you're not going to get
- 12:41Speaker 1: rid of it, and you can actually appreciate the ridge
- 12:43Speaker 1: detail you're saying. And this is the math that when
- 12:47Speaker 1: it comes to ammunition which is so small, and you've
- 12:52Speaker 1: got a chance of getting a partial print, yeah, partial
- 12:55Speaker 1: which would still work. Yeah, I mean, hey, it's better
- 13:00Speaker 1: than nothing. You can get a partial print off that
- 13:03Speaker 1: tiny piece of evidence. I absolutely advise a superglue method,
- 13:07Speaker 1: which means you put the bullets into a closed container
- 13:13Speaker 1: with a superglue opened and the chemicals of a superglue
- 13:18Speaker 1: attached to my understanding, the human oils from the fingers
- 13:24Speaker 1: still on the m O. It sticks to it. It
- 13:29Speaker 1: will never come off. Superglue will never come off. And
- 13:33Speaker 1: then you take it out with a pair of tweezers
- 13:36Speaker 1: and you can get that partial print. It's awesome. Isn't
- 13:39Speaker 1: that incredible? Yes, it is and it will stay there
- 13:43Speaker 1: forever and ever. Amen. And you know how many times
- 13:45Speaker 1: have you and I been to evidence rooms that are
- 13:48Speaker 1: just so funky and nasty and dirty, and you lose
- 13:52Speaker 1: evidence in those environments with the supergluing, it binds. It's
- 13:57Speaker 1: a binder that time stories with Nancy Grace, Well, we're
- 14:17Speaker 1: talking about casings found in this cap other things found
- 14:23Speaker 1: at the scene of a triple homicide. The victims Tiffany Icr.
- 14:29Speaker 1: Jack Chandler, and Evelyn Chandler, Tiffany's parents, they're all dead.
- 14:36Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Kate j R.
- 14:39Speaker 1: H Deputies were called to a home on Lake Few
- 14:41Speaker 1: Circle Road in Banks after a relative found the bodies
- 14:44Speaker 1: of Jack Chandler, his wife Kay, and their daughter Tiffany
- 14:48Speaker 1: I Corps. All three victims had been shot multiple times
- 14:52Speaker 1: with at least two different caliber of weapons. It was
- 14:55Speaker 1: those shell casings and DNA found in a cap at
- 14:58Speaker 1: the scene that helped him investigators build their case. In
- 15:01Speaker 1: further processing of the crime scene, it was discovered that
- 15:04Speaker 1: the residence was equipped with a digital video surveillance system.
- 15:08Speaker 1: Investigators say the video showed two people arrived parking the road,
- 15:12Speaker 1: then walked to the house doctor Jorry Cross and psychologists
- 15:16Speaker 1: faculty Saint Leo University, author consultant doctor Jory Multiple shots
- 15:23Speaker 1: on each victim, two assailants. No, this was not about rate,
- 15:30Speaker 1: This was not about robbery. What do you make of
- 15:34Speaker 1: multiple gunshots on each victim. They don't want to make
- 15:38Speaker 1: sure they were just dead. They wanted to make sure
- 15:40Speaker 1: they were dead three or four times over. Yeah, looking
- 15:43Speaker 1: at the behavior, you know, this is definitely a planned attack,
- 15:48Speaker 1: so you know, and it's a family. So one of
- 15:51Speaker 1: them or all of them had some connection to this behavior.
- 15:56Speaker 1: The interesting thing with those two shots is that the
- 15:59Speaker 1: main connection to the triple homicide perps. I wouldn't really
- 16:02Speaker 1: call that behavior, but go ahead, well that's the way psychologically,
- 16:06Speaker 1: I look at everything as behavior because okay, the manifestation
- 16:10Speaker 1: of their psychological mindset, Okay, the going along with that
- 16:14Speaker 1: were both individuals the two shooters, they both contributed in
- 16:20Speaker 1: each body. Okay, so they're both responsible for deaths or attacks.
- 16:26Speaker 1: So there was a commitment some kind of bond between
- 16:29Speaker 1: these two assailants. Two. Oh, so a bond between the
- 16:32Speaker 1: two assailants the killers add a connection to at least
- 16:36Speaker 1: one of the three dead people, because I mean, just
- 16:40Speaker 1: common sense, they're not going to go in and shoot
- 16:43Speaker 1: one person and then be identified by the other two.
- 16:47Speaker 1: And we heard it the other two could be just
- 16:49Speaker 1: collateral damage that have to be eliminated, right, And we
- 16:53Speaker 1: also heard that one of the victims heard the gunshots
- 16:56Speaker 1: and tried to go hide in the closet. I mean,
- 17:00Speaker 1: doctor Jerry Cross. And it's everybody's nightmare that you're your
- 17:05Speaker 1: family's under attack and you're somebody's hiding in the closet
- 17:08Speaker 1: and then they open the closet door. It's straight out
- 17:11Speaker 1: of a horror film. Yes, I would imagine the mail
- 17:15Speaker 1: would be the first subject to be taken out because
- 17:18Speaker 1: this was planned. You know, they probably did some homework
- 17:22Speaker 1: on this, knowing who the assailants or who their victims were,
- 17:26Speaker 1: so he would be eliminated first and then the other
- 17:29Speaker 1: two just have to be like you said, they're witnesses.
- 17:31Speaker 1: They've got to be eliminated. Also, Del Carson, I heard
- 17:34Speaker 1: you jumping in. What is it? I care? First off,
- 17:37Speaker 1: the electricity is off, so these individuals of that electricity
- 17:41Speaker 1: cut go ahead. You know. Then there's delights, So you
- 17:44Speaker 1: have to have a player's light if you're going to
- 17:46Speaker 1: find those rounds. And if we know, when you fire
- 17:49Speaker 1: a semi automatic weapon, you don't ever know where those
- 17:53Speaker 1: expended cartridge cases were gonna go. So that means you
- 17:56Speaker 1: got a lot of time. They figured this out. They
- 17:59Speaker 1: have time, and so they can call around looking for
- 18:02Speaker 1: those rounds that they put in that cap. It was
- 18:05Speaker 1: later discovered because they left it at the scene. That's
- 18:08Speaker 1: really interesting the way you said that, Del Carson. It's
- 18:10Speaker 1: making me think about and analyze what really happened. Step
- 18:15Speaker 1: by step. I imagine they're crawling around looking for the
- 18:19Speaker 1: spent cartis shell and hey, Joe Scott, let me bring
- 18:22Speaker 1: you in. Because the first time I realized the significance
- 18:26Speaker 1: of the spent shell location, it was the DA My boss,
- 18:34Speaker 1: mister Slayton, longest serving district attorney in the country at
- 18:37Speaker 1: that time, I think it was thirty seven years. Loved him,
- 18:41Speaker 1: deeply like a grandfather to me. I heard him call
- 18:45Speaker 1: me over the loudspeaker, come to my office. I'm like,
- 18:49Speaker 1: so I ran, and I've told you I specifically turned
- 18:53Speaker 1: down a really nice office for one right by the stairwell,
- 18:57Speaker 1: so I didn't want to waste time going away on
- 18:59Speaker 1: an elevator. I ran down the stairwell to get to
- 19:03Speaker 1: his office and he handed me a file and said,
- 19:06Speaker 1: I want you to look into this. So he said,
- 19:10Speaker 1: turned out a friend of his that he had started
- 19:13Speaker 1: law practice with many years before, daughter had committed suicide
- 19:17Speaker 1: grown daughter. So I went to the scene and the
- 19:23Speaker 1: medical examiners had taken very they have their own investigators
- 19:28Speaker 1: had taken very careful measurements from the bed to the
- 19:32Speaker 1: shell of cartridge in from the wall. They were taking
- 19:37Speaker 1: very minute measurements. Why to make sure it was a suicide. Well,
- 19:45Speaker 1: it was not a suicide because at the crime lab,
- 19:48Speaker 1: when we put the sheets up against the light, you
- 19:50Speaker 1: could see blood spatter under her pillow where she was
- 19:55Speaker 1: laying when she reported it. And there's that would be
- 19:58Speaker 1: impossible because laying on the pillow. The point is cartridge
- 20:05Speaker 1: showcasings can bounce around, Yeah they can't. Yeah, but they can.
- 20:11Speaker 1: They can also give you a little bit of an
- 20:12Speaker 1: idea where the shooter was at the time of the shooting. Yeah,
- 20:17Speaker 1: to a certain degree, you know, to Dale's point, it's
- 20:20Speaker 1: real dynamic in this environment. It depends on what kind
- 20:23Speaker 1: of surface they strike too when they because they can
- 20:25Speaker 1: bounce like like nuts all over the place. And there's
- 20:29Speaker 1: one big linkage here. I think that's real important that
- 20:33Speaker 1: Dale brought up Nancy, and this is striking to me.
- 20:36Speaker 1: The electricity was cut. Yeah, the fact and the fact
- 20:40Speaker 1: that the electricity was cut gives me as an investigator
- 20:44Speaker 1: and indication that whoever felt well, first off, you got
- 20:47Speaker 1: to feel comfortable with taking out the electricity. But secondly,
- 20:50Speaker 1: and most importantly, this idea that the electricity is off
- 20:54Speaker 1: means that the individuals that were involved in this case
- 20:59Speaker 1: had a real level of comfort in this environment. That
- 21:02Speaker 1: they would be able to walk in to a darkened environment,
- 21:06Speaker 1: unless of course they've got you know, night vision equipment,
- 21:09Speaker 1: which I doubt they did, and move around in the darkness.
- 21:14Speaker 1: That means that you have to know specifically where you're going,
- 21:17Speaker 1: and in your mind you might even be counting steps. Okay,
- 21:20Speaker 1: I know where this person's bedroom is I know where
- 21:22Speaker 1: this person's bedroom is and you're creeping down the hallway. Now,
- 21:25Speaker 1: of course there maybe they've got flashlights. But again it
- 21:28Speaker 1: goes to comfort in this environment, because if you feel
- 21:31Speaker 1: real and safe about an environment, what's the first thing
- 21:33Speaker 1: you do when you walk into the art area. Yea, guys,
- 21:35Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Abbey Broils kfo R four.
- 21:39Speaker 1: The murder mystery in Oakmulgee County could be coming down
- 21:42Speaker 1: to a footprint. On this day, we now know investigators
- 21:46Speaker 1: went back inside Harris's home to get a pair of boots.
- 21:50Speaker 1: Officers believed they could match a footprint from the murder scene.
- 21:53Speaker 1: It's been over a month since Jack and Evelyn Chandler,
- 21:56Speaker 1: along with their daughter Tiffany Korps, were found murdered in
- 21:59Speaker 1: their home. Beggs talk about forensics a possible boot print,
- 22:06Speaker 1: but now I the belie a bizarre twist. Take a
- 22:11Speaker 1: listen to our cut to kfo R attorney David Bedford,
- 22:16Speaker 1: the former law partner of Kegan Harrows. He told me
- 22:19Speaker 1: he had concerns about Harrows and one of her clients
- 22:21Speaker 1: and took us concerns to the Bar Association and District
- 22:24Speaker 1: Attorney's office months ago. David Bedford says investigators from the
- 22:28Speaker 1: Ocmulgi County Sheriff's Office came to talk to him on
- 22:31Speaker 1: Friday about the triple homicide near Beggs and this woman,
- 22:34Speaker 1: attorney Kegan Harrows. Bedford and Harrows previously had a relationship
- 22:38Speaker 1: and practice law together. Bedford had concerns about Harrows and
- 22:42Speaker 1: her boyfriend and client, a man with a violent record,
- 22:45Speaker 1: and reported his concerns to the bar and a DA.
- 22:48Speaker 1: Her client is charged in a domestic abuse case in
- 22:51Speaker 1: Oklahoma County. The victim, Tiffany Ikorps Ikorps, and her parents,
- 22:56Speaker 1: Jack and Evelyn Chandler, were found dead inside the Chandler's
- 22:59Speaker 1: home on September seventh. Bedford says investigators showed him a
- 23:03Speaker 1: video of two people believed to be involved in the murders.
- 23:06Speaker 1: Bedford said he couldn't tell who was in the video. Then,
- 23:09Speaker 1: he says, investigators asked him if they knew what they
- 23:11Speaker 1: could find. Keegan Harrows, Okay, let me understand this LEAVI
- 23:16Speaker 1: page out of the blue, out of nowhere. After the
- 23:20Speaker 1: triple homicide, an attorney, David Bedford contacts authorities and he
- 23:27Speaker 1: is concerned about a former law partner, female, Keegan Harrows.
- 23:32Speaker 1: He says he was concerned that Harrows was in a relationship,
- 23:38Speaker 1: a sex relationship with a bad guy. Barry tied us.
- 23:45Speaker 1: The second. Barry tied us the second had a domestic
- 23:51Speaker 1: case with previous domestic case where he was going to
- 23:57Speaker 1: be prosecuted for beating up to in the Ichorps now dead.
- 24:03Speaker 1: Did I get that right? Yes, Mancy, you're correct. Tiffany
- 24:06Speaker 1: Iicorps one of the victims. She was shot, her body
- 24:10Speaker 1: riddled with bullets. Investigators discovered that she met Barry Titus
- 24:15Speaker 1: on the dating Aptember tender and she started a relationship
- 24:20Speaker 1: with him, and she said a month into the relationship
- 24:23Speaker 1: things went haywire. She went through hell that he would
- 24:27Speaker 1: abuse her, kick her, strangle her, and that he would
- 24:31Speaker 1: strangle her as a way to what he said, test her. Oh,
- 24:35Speaker 1: he strangled her to quote test her, Yes, to see
- 24:39Speaker 1: how tough she was. Okay, So I want to get
- 24:42Speaker 1: back to this lawyer. So she is now in a
- 24:45Speaker 1: relationship with the strangler. She represented him on those charges.
- 24:51Speaker 1: She represented very very Titus on those charges. Okay. So
- 24:57Speaker 1: concerning that her former law partner the cops about their
- 25:01Speaker 1: sex relationship when he hears about the triple homicide. Okay,
- 25:10Speaker 1: so now that her former boyfriend and law partner calls
- 25:15Speaker 1: the cops, owner, the cops make a visit. Take a
- 25:19Speaker 1: listen to our friends at KFORE four. The murder mystery
- 25:22Speaker 1: in Oakmulgee County could be coming down to a footprint.
- 25:26Speaker 1: On this day, we now know investigators went back inside
- 25:29Speaker 1: Harris's home to get a pair of boots. Officers believed
- 25:33Speaker 1: they could match a footprint from the murder scene. It's
- 25:35Speaker 1: been over a month since Jack and Evelyn Chandler, along
- 25:38Speaker 1: with their daughter Tiffany Ichorps, were found murdered in their
- 25:41Speaker 1: home near Begs. Cops then continue their search. They're now
- 25:47Speaker 1: focused on the relationship this female lawyer has with Korn's
- 25:54Speaker 1: previous abuser. Take a listen to our friends at KFO R.
- 25:58Speaker 1: As we reported, Harris, his boyfriend, Barry Titus, used to
- 26:02Speaker 1: be in a relationship with Tiffany Ikorps, and Ichorp had
- 26:05Speaker 1: a domestic abuse case against Titus in Oklahoma County. His
- 26:09Speaker 1: attorney in that case, Keegan Harris. A new surch warrant
- 26:12Speaker 1: shows the two claimed to be married they've been living
- 26:15Speaker 1: here in northwest Oklahoma City, where investigators took the GPS
- 26:19Speaker 1: data from her SEV last week. They also seized another
- 26:22Speaker 1: cell phone that was not at her home the last
- 26:25Speaker 1: time they rated it. So let me understand, leave I pay.
- 26:30Speaker 1: She represented him and the previous domestic assault that the
- 26:37Speaker 1: victim brought against him. That's how they met. You're correct,
- 26:53Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. It wouldn't be the first
- 27:01Speaker 1: time a lawyer or some other person a civilian goes
- 27:07Speaker 1: into the penitentiary and falls in love with an inmate.
- 27:14Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut ten our friends at
- 27:16Speaker 1: ABC Today, Joyce Tilling Mitchell in stripes, shackles and tears,
- 27:21Speaker 1: pleading guilty to helping the two murderers escape. She was
- 27:25Speaker 1: swept off her feet a bit for a period, and
- 27:27Speaker 1: then when she realized who she was dealing with, everything changed.
- 27:32Speaker 1: In newly released statements, Mitchell describes a deepening friendship withinmate
- 27:36Speaker 1: Richard Matt quote he treated me with respect and was
- 27:39Speaker 1: nice to me. She says he made me feel special.
- 27:43Speaker 1: That relationship turning sexual. Inmate Matt grabbed me and kissed me.
- 27:48Speaker 1: Mitchell also admits sending naked pictures to the other prisoner,
- 27:51Speaker 1: David Sweat, telling police Matt told her we were all
- 27:54Speaker 1: going to be together. She got in over her head
- 27:57Speaker 1: into something that she never should have started, but she did,
- 28:00Speaker 1: and she's paying the price. Mitchell admits smuggling hacksall blades, chisels,
- 28:05Speaker 1: a punch tool, and a screwdriver to the prisoners, hiding
- 28:08Speaker 1: them inside frozen hamburger meat, Matt giving her two pills
- 28:12Speaker 1: to drug her husband Lyle. On the day of the escape.
- 28:15Speaker 1: They referred to Lyle as the glitch. They talked about
- 28:20Speaker 1: her husband as the glitch. Now, wait a minute, Jackie,
- 28:24Speaker 1: did I just hear this? She said he's cheating me
- 28:26Speaker 1: with respect? Didn't they have sex in the closet? Okay?
- 28:31Speaker 1: You know, I think I need a shrink. Doctor Jerry
- 28:34Speaker 1: Cross and helped me out. This is a seamstress with
- 28:37Speaker 1: a happy marriage, and then she she's a seamstress in
- 28:40Speaker 1: the jail. She falls for these guys, convicted felons. They're
- 28:45Speaker 1: having sex in the closet. She's sending nuty picks. Apparently
- 28:49Speaker 1: that's what happened, and it seems like, you know, there's
- 28:53Speaker 1: vulnerability there. Wait, swept off her feet. How do you
- 28:57Speaker 1: get swept off your feet. He certainly didn't wine and
- 28:59Speaker 1: din her. Maybe he gave her a cup of pruno
- 29:01Speaker 1: that he made under his buck. How can he get
- 29:05Speaker 1: swept off your feet by convict? Yeah, the most convicts
- 29:09Speaker 1: are very smooth talkers. They're very manipulative, you know, that's
- 29:12Speaker 1: part of their personality, their criminal profile personality, that's their
- 29:18Speaker 1: tradecraft is to be able to talk and manipulate people.
- 29:22Speaker 1: And especially you know, they recognize victims in the type
- 29:26Speaker 1: of victims, and this woman seemed to have vulnerabilities that
- 29:29Speaker 1: were just capitalized, you know, by them. Well, she's not
- 29:33Speaker 1: the only one. This samestress Joyce Mitchell, take a listen
- 29:37Speaker 1: now out twelve of our friends at CBS six Richmond.
- 29:40Speaker 1: Now Roughly five years later, Tapper faces charges for allegedly
- 29:45Speaker 1: giving an inmate at the Riverside Regional Jail a cell
- 29:48Speaker 1: phone and drugs. The Commonwealth Attorney in Prince George says
- 29:52Speaker 1: it happened in December and that the case remains under investigation.
- 29:56Speaker 1: While nearly all documents related to the case are seal
- 30:00Speaker 1: and the prosecutor declined to name the inmate, crime in
- 30:03Speaker 1: Cider sources tell CBS six Tapper did visit one inmate
- 30:07Speaker 1: hundreds of times in jail, smuggled him drugs, and even
- 30:11Speaker 1: had sex with him behind bars. Del Carson, no offense
- 30:16Speaker 1: to all the men on the panel today. But my
- 30:19Speaker 1: grandmother used to say, men are like buses. There'll be
- 30:22Speaker 1: a new one in fifteen minutes. Don't get crazy. So
- 30:25Speaker 1: why do you have to go behind bars to have
- 30:29Speaker 1: sex with the convict? Well, you know, part of this
- 30:31Speaker 1: is that when you're a defense attorney, you've got to
- 30:34Speaker 1: adopt that defendant's position in order to effectively argue it
- 30:40Speaker 1: in court. And that makes a connection between people that
- 30:44Speaker 1: wouldn't ordinarily exist. And many lawyers have no experience with
- 30:48Speaker 1: the real criminal element, and as a result, they're not
- 30:52Speaker 1: aware of their proclivity for manipulation. Who hey, I just
- 30:56Speaker 1: want you to hear something before you say one more word,
- 30:58Speaker 1: Del Carson, I want you to hear about the guy
- 31:01Speaker 1: behind bars. This she fell for. This is who he
- 31:05Speaker 1: really is. Take a listen to ARCA at nine. Andrew
- 31:09Speaker 1: Roberts is a convicted killer found guilty of the deaths
- 31:11Speaker 1: of his wife, Louise Lum and eight month old daughter
- 31:14Speaker 1: Tia at their home. Roberts was just twenty two at
- 31:17Speaker 1: the time. He strangled both while high on a cocktail
- 31:20Speaker 1: of drink and drugs. Roberts sprayed the victim's bodies with
- 31:23Speaker 1: perfume and after shaved to mask the smell, and then
- 31:26Speaker 1: left the residence to carry on partying. Authorities captured him
- 31:29Speaker 1: five days later. He was sentenced to two life terms.
- 31:33Speaker 1: Thank you Tyl all Right Crime Online for that information.
- 31:37Speaker 1: So this guy Andrew Roberts who killed his wife and
- 31:41Speaker 1: eight month old daughter, Tia, then sprayed them with aftershave
- 31:47Speaker 1: perfume to mask the smell so he could go ahead
- 31:53Speaker 1: and party. And that's who she fell in love with. Well,
- 31:56Speaker 1: no offense to women, but sometimes people like a bad boy,
- 32:00Speaker 1: and that clearly is a bad boy. Oh really, So
- 32:04Speaker 1: you're blaming the women of course, Yeah, I'm blaming them too.
- 32:06Speaker 1: But what about all those SAPs that are sending Jodi
- 32:10Speaker 1: Arius money and love notes and want to marry her
- 32:13Speaker 1: behind bars? Hey, it's not just women, So wake up
- 32:17Speaker 1: and smell the coffee tale, Carson. Let me just give
- 32:21Speaker 1: you one more tiny example, gos, there's so many to
- 32:26Speaker 1: pick from. Let's go with our cut fourteen. Our friends
- 32:30Speaker 1: at wpt Z listen. In fall of twenty fifteen, Denise
- 32:35Speaker 1: Prel was hired by the Department of Corrections and Community
- 32:38Speaker 1: Supervision or DOCKS. She was a supervisor in the tailor shop,
- 32:42Speaker 1: hired around the same time former present seamstress Joyce Mitchell
- 32:46Speaker 1: was sentenced for her role in the twenty fifteen escape.
- 32:50Speaker 1: Fast forward to spring twenty sixteen, Prel was transferred to
- 32:53Speaker 1: Taylor Shop five, where she met an inmate. That's where
- 32:57Speaker 1: the two tell police their love story started, a similar
- 33:00Speaker 1: situation to the one that sparked the infamous love triangle
- 33:04Speaker 1: leading to the twenty fifteen prison break. The inmate is
- 33:07Speaker 1: quoted in court documents saying the two fell in love.
- 33:10Speaker 1: They say they started writing letters to each other under
- 33:13Speaker 1: the alias Gwen Freeman. Gwendolenis Prel's middle name. Freeman was
- 33:18Speaker 1: in reference to the inmate eventually becoming a Freeman. Then
- 33:22Speaker 1: it turned to phone calls. The documents say prels sending
- 33:25Speaker 1: the inmate at least three hundred and fifty dollars. The
- 33:29Speaker 1: inmates tells police that the two were planning on living
- 33:31Speaker 1: with each other once he's released from prison. So it
- 33:35Speaker 1: looks like lightning dust strike twice at the same location.
- 33:41Speaker 1: Another affair with a different inmate, and another woman brought
- 33:45Speaker 1: into the tailor shot. So you know, I could go
- 33:49Speaker 1: on and on and on. I've got so many cases
- 33:51Speaker 1: of women going behind bars for whatever legitimate reason, falling
- 33:55Speaker 1: in love, having sex with the inmate behind bars, and
- 33:58Speaker 1: then suddenly they're helping them bust out of jail. Now,
- 34:03Speaker 1: in this case, however, the case of Tiffany Ichorps and
- 34:06Speaker 1: both her parents, Jack and Evelyn, it was much more
- 34:10Speaker 1: than a jailbreak. We now have three dead bodies on
- 34:15Speaker 1: our hands. I'm giving you a little peek at the
- 34:19Speaker 1: charming guys these women are meeting behind bars. Let's take
- 34:24Speaker 1: a look at who this lawyer, Keegan Harris in her thirties,
- 34:30Speaker 1: her whole life ahead of her, a well known lawyer.
- 34:34Speaker 1: This is who she falls for behind bars. Take a
- 34:39Speaker 1: listen to our forensic crime online. Tiffany Ikorp meets Barry
- 34:43Speaker 1: Titus on the dating app Tender. Just a month into
- 34:46Speaker 1: the relationship, Ichorps reports to police. They tit Us kicks her,
- 34:50Speaker 1: hits her, and strangles her as a way to test her.
- 34:53Speaker 1: She says. Titus also introduced Ichorp to meth and heroin.
- 34:57Speaker 1: Two months later, Titus beats Ichorps so severely she's in
- 35:01Speaker 1: the hospital for days. Her injuries include cracked ribs, a
- 35:04Speaker 1: lacerated river, lacerated kidney, and bruises on her arms, legs, stomach,
- 35:10Speaker 1: and neck. Iicorps tells police that when she passes out
- 35:13Speaker 1: during the beatings, Titus wakes her by pouring water on her,
- 35:17Speaker 1: then strangles her again until she passes out. Police try
- 35:21Speaker 1: to charge Titus, but Ichorps refuses to cooperate. Three months later,
- 35:26Speaker 1: it happens again. A witness calls police, saying that Titus
- 35:29Speaker 1: is beating Korps, but Ichorps refuses to cooperate. Just got Morgan,
- 35:34Speaker 1: professor forensics. How do you get a lacerated liver? Oh,
- 35:39Speaker 1: it rises specifically from blunt force trauma, Nancy, And that
- 35:43Speaker 1: means that you put a fist in there, you kick,
- 35:48Speaker 1: you can drive your shoulder into somebody. We see lacerated
- 35:52Speaker 1: livers many times actually in car accidents. So that gives
- 35:56Speaker 1: you an idea as to the amount of force that's applied.
- 36:01Speaker 1: You know, many times, Nancy, when you're talking about abuse symptoms,
- 36:04Speaker 1: they can have a laceration to either the spleen or deliver,
- 36:08Speaker 1: which are kind of parallel to one another in the cavity,
- 36:11Speaker 1: but there won't be any kind of external insult. You
- 36:14Speaker 1: won't see many times you won't see an overlying contusion.
- 36:18Speaker 1: Sometimes you will. But you're saying a bruise. You don't
- 36:21Speaker 1: see a bruise. Well, you know, it's just kind of
- 36:25Speaker 1: my vernacular, but yeah, a bruise. Yes, Before you go
- 36:30Speaker 1: to too deep into that, I want to talk. Bring
- 36:34Speaker 1: us back to the victim, Tiffany Ichorps. She's taking these horrible,
- 36:39Speaker 1: horrible beatings at the hands of the new boyfriend, Barry Titus.
- 36:45Speaker 1: The second she's too afraid to press charges, but finally
- 36:52Speaker 1: she does take a listen hour cut seventy. Tiffany Ichorps
- 36:56Speaker 1: GID file charges against Titus a few months later, after
- 36:59Speaker 1: cutting off contact with him and getting counseling. After Titus
- 37:03Speaker 1: is arrested and charged with a salt reports say someone
- 37:06Speaker 1: left a package of white powder on I coorse porch.
- 37:09Speaker 1: Testing shows its powdered sugar, but police think someone is
- 37:13Speaker 1: trying to intimidate or scare her. A protective order is
- 37:16Speaker 1: filed against Titus a month later. Records show his attorney
- 37:20Speaker 1: for that case, the assault case, and unrelated charges in
- 37:23Speaker 1: Cleveland County is Keegan Heroes. So enter Keegan hair Oz.
- 37:30Speaker 1: That's who's assigned to be his defense attorney after this
- 37:36Speaker 1: monstrous domestic beating where he nearly beats Tiffany Ichor dead,
- 37:42Speaker 1: then tries to intimidate her by leaving. I don't know
- 37:47Speaker 1: what he was trying to pretend it was, but he
- 37:49Speaker 1: left sugar and a container I guess to make her
- 37:54Speaker 1: think it was some dangerous powder on her doorstep. But
- 38:01Speaker 1: everything progresses rapidly. Take a listen to our friends at
- 38:05Speaker 1: kfo R. You might remember the name Kegan Harros. She's
- 38:10Speaker 1: an attorney caught up in a twisted love triangle. She
- 38:12Speaker 1: was representing her boyfriend Barry Titus after his ex girlfriend,
- 38:16Speaker 1: Tiffany Ikorps, accused him of making threats to kill her
- 38:20Speaker 1: and her family. Ikorps and her parents were later murdered
- 38:25Speaker 1: by two masked killers at their home and begs. However,
- 38:29Speaker 1: to this day, no charges have ever been filed, law
- 38:33Speaker 1: enforcement officials only saying Harros and Titus are connected to
- 38:36Speaker 1: the case. But Harris took a plea deal for a
- 38:38Speaker 1: federal weapons charge and served twenty four months in prison.
- 38:43Speaker 1: At that time, no arrests the police investigators, indicating that
- 38:49Speaker 1: somehow the female attorney is connected to Barry Titus. Second,
- 38:55Speaker 1: the case progresses, Take a listen to our friends at
- 38:58Speaker 1: kfo R News for court documents show state prosecutors believe
- 39:03Speaker 1: very Titus and his Oklahoma City attorney turned lover, Kegan
- 39:06Speaker 1: Harris quote should be punished by death for the murders
- 39:10Speaker 1: of Titus's ex girlfriend, Tivity Korps and her parents, Jack
- 39:14Speaker 1: and Evelyn Chandler. Before the love triangle formed, Ikorps accused
- 39:18Speaker 1: forty year old Titus of threatening her family. She also
- 39:21Speaker 1: had a pending domestic abuse case against him. Representing Titus
- 39:24Speaker 1: was thirty eight year old Harris. Reports say while the
- 39:27Speaker 1: family slept, Titus and Harris kicked in the door and
- 39:30Speaker 1: shot them to death one by one. The state alleges
- 39:33Speaker 1: Ikorps was killed so Titus could quote avoid prosecution for
- 39:37Speaker 1: the domestic assault case, adding, Titus and Harris killed the
- 39:40Speaker 1: Chandlers so they could get away with killing their daughter.
- 39:43Speaker 1: A year and a half later, both Titus and Harris
- 39:45Speaker 1: charged with three counts of first degree murder and one
- 39:48Speaker 1: burglary charge. Oh what a tangled web we weave. First
- 39:53Speaker 1: we've practice to deceive. Let me understand, leave I fade
- 39:56Speaker 1: crime online. So the two figures seen on surveillance going
- 40:01Speaker 1: into Tiffany Ichorps and her parents' home are not only,
- 40:06Speaker 1: according to Coss, Barry Titus a second, but she a
- 40:10Speaker 1: female lawyer under his spell, goes with him and together
- 40:14Speaker 1: they gunned down three people in their sleep so he
- 40:18Speaker 1: won't have to answer up on domrell domestic relations attack.
- 40:22Speaker 1: You're correct, Nancy. In the surveillance video, two masked figures
- 40:27Speaker 1: approached the home. One was tall believed the van then,
- 40:30Speaker 1: and another was much shorter. We now know it was
- 40:32Speaker 1: a female and the hat that was found at the
- 40:36Speaker 1: scene contained the DNA of Titus in it. The shell
- 40:40Speaker 1: casings they were traced back to an original owner who
- 40:45Speaker 1: owned a shooting range and he said that Barry Titus
- 40:48Speaker 1: and his girlfriend his attorney Arose, purchased the gun there
- 40:53Speaker 1: and he said they also hired the gun there and
- 40:56Speaker 1: police got shell casings and it matched the shell casings
- 41:00Speaker 1: found at the triple homicide scene. Is it true the
- 41:04Speaker 1: prosecutors are planning to seek the death penalty LEVI, That
- 41:08Speaker 1: is correct, Nancy. They say that the victims suffered mental anguish,
- 41:14Speaker 1: mental torture, and extreme fear because of these attacks, Hiding
- 41:20Speaker 1: in the closet, waiting to die, We wait as justice
- 41:25Speaker 1: unfals Nancy Gray's crime stories, signing off goodbye,