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Billionaire Jeff Epstein sex trafficks young girls & gets away with it for YEARS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. The then underage girls say
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Speaker 1: they were lured by the cash. My mother was on
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Speaker 1: drugs at the time and she could have provide for me,
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Speaker 1: and I was pretty much homeless. Fromer Palm Beach Police
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Speaker 1: Chief Michael Riders as many of the girls didn't know
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Speaker 1: each other but had the same story. We believe that
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Speaker 1: this would end up in a prosecution that would incarceraate
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Speaker 1: mister Epstein for the remainder of his life. Federal prosecutors
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Speaker 1: even had a fifty three page indictment ready to go,
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Speaker 1: according to a court filing, but Epstein, a hedge fund
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Speaker 1: manager who famously piled around with Donald Trump, Bill Clinton,
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Speaker 1: and Prince Andrew, never faced those serious charges. Instead, a
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Speaker 1: plea deal was struck. He pleaded guilty to two counts
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Speaker 1: related to solicitation of prostitution and only served thirteen months
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Speaker 1: in a county jail. I cannot believe it. A fifty
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Speaker 1: three page indictment and he managed to dodge it because
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Speaker 1: he's rich and piled around with rich people and famous politicians,
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Speaker 1: including Clinton and Trump. There's even suggestions that Clinton would
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Speaker 1: go with him on a private plane to a quote
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Speaker 1: private island where young girls were brought in. That's yet
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Speaker 1: to be proved. But what I know right now, and
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Speaker 1: this is not about politics, he piled around with Trump too,
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Speaker 1: although I don't know anything about Trump being on a
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Speaker 1: private plane on a private island, but I do know this.
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Speaker 1: He must have some kind of pull to escape a
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Speaker 1: jail sentence after a fifty three page indictment. Well, the
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Speaker 1: case is cracked open right now. Millionaire Jeffrey Epstein now
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Speaker 1: facing sex trafficking charges involving dozens of little girls as
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Speaker 1: young as fourteen that we know of, who all separated
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Speaker 1: in time and space, claimed they were paid to perform
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Speaker 1: rape acts on the pedophile. He's been hiding out in
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Speaker 1: Paris before his arrest, where they broke down his door
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Speaker 1: of his mansion. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Justice delayed, but is
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Speaker 1: it justice denied? Straight out to Dave Mattcrime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Dave Mack, what's it all about? It
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Speaker 1: comes down to a very rich man in Epstein, with
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Speaker 1: very rich and powerful friends, taking advantage of young women
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Speaker 1: in various stages of distress in life. They were young.
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Speaker 1: We're talking as young as fourteen, and we're talking about
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Speaker 1: doing it for a number of years. This whole thing
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Speaker 1: unraveled cause apparently this secret deal that was arranged and Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you know much better about this than I do. This
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Speaker 1: secret deal that was arranged that gave him thirteen months
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Speaker 1: even though there was a fifty three page indictment and
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Speaker 1: he was expected he could spend the rest of his
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Speaker 1: life in jail. They never let the victims know about
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Speaker 1: this deal, and by law they had to. So over
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Speaker 1: the years there'd been a number of lawsuits filed back
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Speaker 1: and forth, and finally one of these lawsuits popped up
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Speaker 1: where mister Epstein admitted that he was actually untruthful in
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Speaker 1: his accusations against the women and their attorney, and that
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Speaker 1: now is what has allowed this to come back open again. Okay,
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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, let me break that down. So
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Speaker 1: everybody remembers Bill Cosby, right, So at some point Bill
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Speaker 1: Cosby America's quote funny man claimed all of his rape
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Speaker 1: accusers were liars, that they were lying about him. They
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Speaker 1: sued him for slander, saying they were telling the truth.
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Speaker 1: And that's really what cracked this case open because he
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Speaker 1: had to give a deposition because of the lawsuit, and
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Speaker 1: in that deposition he admitted he gave people queludes and
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Speaker 1: then took advantage of them. Dad all came back to
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Speaker 1: haunt him when those depots were made public. In this case,
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Speaker 1: what Dave Mack just said, I think Jason Oceans is
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Speaker 1: that after a fifty three page indictment, he gets a
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Speaker 1: light sentence of about thirteen months, which he does at
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Speaker 1: a let me say, country club, prison work release in
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Speaker 1: a county, in a county, walks free. He should have
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Speaker 1: done life plus twenty. And when these girls were accusing
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Speaker 1: him and trying to find out what was happening, he
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Speaker 1: sued them. Is that the way it went down Jason,
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Speaker 1: you know, just a little more background. He allegedly flew
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Speaker 1: with former President Clinton, you know, twenty some odd times
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Speaker 1: down to this private island. So in terms of the
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Speaker 1: why the prosecution didn't go forward either powerful people, it
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Speaker 1: is about politics to some degree for sure. And if
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Speaker 1: you've heard, if you're listening to the initial clip, you
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Speaker 1: know her mother was drug addicted. There were a lot
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Speaker 1: of problems with these these victims because that was probably
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Speaker 1: why they were picked, so that there was some level
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Speaker 1: of distrust in what they might say but this this
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Speaker 1: Crime Victims Act suit, that was what triggered this to
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Speaker 1: come back into the open and revisit all of it.
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Speaker 1: So let me understand. Tell me one more time, in
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Speaker 1: simple terms, Dave Matt, how did this blow open? As
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, it came down to the lawsuit back and
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Speaker 1: forth and the depositions where mister Epstein actually finally had
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Speaker 1: to admit in public that even though during the course
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Speaker 1: of the investigation he accused these victims of lying and
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Speaker 1: accused their attorney of lying, the attorney's name is mister Bradley,
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Speaker 1: and he accused everybody of lying when it finally came
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Speaker 1: back around, and it goes to the fact that the
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Speaker 1: prosecution that's never actually made the victims aware of the
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Speaker 1: sentence that they had agreed to with regard to Epstein
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Speaker 1: only getting thirteen months, and based on the way the laws,
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Speaker 1: they had to be notified that this was these were
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Speaker 1: the terms of the sentence. So with him being allowed
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Speaker 1: to get away with this probb you know, the deferred
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Speaker 1: prosecution if you want to call it that, the women,
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Speaker 1: the girls sue him for libel and slander or is
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Speaker 1: that wrong? They did they actually it spun around in
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Speaker 1: that deposition because they were claiming that they were never
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Speaker 1: informed about his sentence, and that's where they challenged him
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Speaker 1: in all things from the sentence to the fact that
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Speaker 1: he accused them of lying. And that's when the depositions
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Speaker 1: came out and he admitted that he actually did lie
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Speaker 1: about them lying. So here's a that we know of
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Speaker 1: as young as fourteen years old. A little girl brought
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Speaker 1: to a mansion, told she's going to have an interview
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Speaker 1: to be a model. She's taken upstairs to meet Epstein
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Speaker 1: and it turns into a rape. Joining me right now
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Speaker 1: is a very special guest, Les Nichols, the past president
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Speaker 1: of the National Coalition to Prevent Child Sex Abuse and Exploitation.
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Speaker 1: Les Nichols, thank you for being with us now. A
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Speaker 1: consultant at R. L. Nichols and Associates. Les Nichols, explain
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Speaker 1: to me your understanding of the facts surrounding these claims
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Speaker 1: against millionaire Jeff Epstein. I'll say this, this sits into
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Speaker 1: a much bigger pattern in worldwide as well as US society.
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Speaker 1: The scope of sex abuse and the scope of sexual
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Speaker 1: trafficking is just unimaginable to most people. And some of
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Speaker 1: the points that were brought up earlier about regarding the
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Speaker 1: civil suit or the civil suits. It's interesting because those
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Speaker 1: are what drive things forward. It is rarely the criminal
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Speaker 1: cases that really change things. It's the follow up civil
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Speaker 1: cases with the depositions and the exposure that starts to
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Speaker 1: change the elements in our society, whether it's it's organizations, institutions,
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Speaker 1: whether it's government institutions, that starts to change what happens
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Speaker 1: as a result of these. But this is the scope
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Speaker 1: of sexual trafficking is maybe one hundred b in a year.
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Speaker 1: What I'm asking is, what is your understanding of the
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Speaker 1: facts of this case involving Jeff Epstein. My understanding is
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Speaker 1: that he participated in sexual trafficking, which is a huge industry.
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Speaker 1: He had the wherewithal to be able to cover this up.
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Speaker 1: He had the access, he could afford it, he could
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Speaker 1: buy the privacy, he could share that with others who
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Speaker 1: were in powerful positions such as was mentioned earlier, the
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Speaker 1: number of times that President Clinton traveled with him would
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Speaker 1: make it very accessible to him if he participated in it,
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Speaker 1: and he simply benefited at a much higher scale from
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Speaker 1: what many people do at a much lower scale. As
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Speaker 1: a b an area, he was able to multiply what
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Speaker 1: he was able to Day Matt Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, we got bogged down in the mechanics of
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Speaker 1: the previous lawsuit. What is your understanding of the facts
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Speaker 1: in this case that mister Epstein was able to procure
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Speaker 1: women from all over enough, They're not women of their girls.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I'll tell you what this case is about.
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Speaker 1: This case is about a billionaire who has been getting away,
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Speaker 1: according to the prosecution, for decades of picking up little girls,
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Speaker 1: using other women, his so called assistants and partners to
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Speaker 1: go procure little girls as young as fourteen, bringing them
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Speaker 1: to his mansion, whether it be in New York, Miami,
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Speaker 1: a private island, and raping them, flying them all around
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Speaker 1: in private planes to other locations to pass the girls
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Speaker 1: around to other men, very powerful men that could pay
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Speaker 1: to have these girls. That's what the case is about.
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. It ended with sexual abuse
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Speaker 1: and intercourse and then a pat on the back. You've
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Speaker 1: done a really good job, like you know, thank you
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Speaker 1: very much, and here's two hundred dollars. You know, before
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Speaker 1: you know it, I'm being lent out to politicians and
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Speaker 1: to academics and to people that royalty and people that
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Speaker 1: you just you would never think, like, how did you
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Speaker 1: get into that position of power in the first place
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Speaker 1: if you're this disgusting, evil, decrepit person on the inside.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing an alleged Epstein victim, Virginia Roberts, who was
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Speaker 1: a girl at the time. She says she began being
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Speaker 1: prostituted out by Jeff Epstein to many, many powerful men.
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Speaker 1: Will she be believed? Jason Oceans, a New York attorney,
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Speaker 1: joining me, my stomach is hurting right now. But as
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Speaker 1: a trial lawyer, I would have to as a prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: acknowledge my victims have credibility issues. They're going to be
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Speaker 1: attacked because their children. They're going to be a tap
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Speaker 1: because they sued for money damages Epstein. They're going to
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Speaker 1: be a tap because maybe their mom had a drug
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Speaker 1: problem or they were transient. But those are just the
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Speaker 1: kind of people that somebody like Epstein would pick as
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Speaker 1: a victim. He's not going to try to go meet
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Speaker 1: my little girl over at our Methodist church during Sunday
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Speaker 1: school and get her out of that to go fly
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Speaker 1: off in his private jet. No, that ain't going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Predators like him look for vulnerable victims. That's why these girls,
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Speaker 1: That's exactly why these girls have credibility issues, and that
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Speaker 1: does not mean they're not telling the truth. And also,
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Speaker 1: Jason Oceans the fact that there are so many of
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Speaker 1: them that don't know each other, that have not communicated
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Speaker 1: with each other, that are separated in time and space.
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Speaker 1: They could not collaborate on a story, have the same story.
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Speaker 1: That is not a coincidence. Jason H s Now, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you. I think your narrative is
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Speaker 1: right on point in terms of, you know, what would
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Speaker 1: look to be, you know, a diabolical plot. I mean,
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Speaker 1: all the things we're in place to be able to,
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Speaker 1: you know, manipulate this from power and politics and money
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Speaker 1: and all of that make a collective cabal in something
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Speaker 1: that's just absolutely evil. I want you to take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friend Stephanie Goske at NBC. This is
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Speaker 1: a video of Jeffrey Epstein's home, taken by investigators during
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Speaker 1: a search of the multi millionaire's Palm Beach mansion. It
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Speaker 1: is where Epstein was involved with at least forty underage girls,
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Speaker 1: some of whom he had sex with, according to court
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Speaker 1: filings obtained by NBC News, several of his accusers speaking
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Speaker 1: out for the first time to the Miami Herald. I
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Speaker 1: was sixteen, I was sixteen. I started going to him
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Speaker 1: when I was like fourteen, fifteen, fourteen, turning fifteen. A
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Speaker 1: report from the Palm Beach Police Department alleges the girls
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Speaker 1: were promised money in exchange for massages, and that a
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Speaker 1: female who recruited young teens for the tycoon allegedly told
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Speaker 1: one victim, the more you do, the more you get paid.
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Speaker 1: He just laid down in his towel on his stomach
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Speaker 1: and he was just talking to people on the phone.
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Speaker 1: When he flipped over. That's when he said, Okay, you
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Speaker 1: can go ahead and take off your shirt and pants.
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Speaker 1: The accounts include accusations from indecent exposure to inappropriate touching
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Speaker 1: to rate your hearing. Urfrid Stephanie Goske at NBC and
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Speaker 1: one of the alleged victims to Joseph Scott Morgan forensics
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Speaker 1: expert Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath
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Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon, Joe Scott, here's an issue. There's
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Speaker 1: no DNA there's no fingerprints, there's no ripped clothing, there's
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Speaker 1: no forensic evidence at all. Because that does not mean
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Speaker 1: the incidents did not occur. That means that so much
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Speaker 1: time has passed, nothing is left. And you know he's
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Speaker 1: had those mansions cleaned, deep cleaned, triple clean, steamed, scrub,
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Speaker 1: you name it, Joe Scott. Yes, you're absolutely right. No
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Speaker 1: physical evidence in that sense. This has been going on
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Speaker 1: for fourteen years. Nancy. The first complaint came up back
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and five. Let's think about that two
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Speaker 1: thousand and five, and lord knows what was happening before then.
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Speaker 1: But let me tell you about some other evidence that
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Speaker 1: can come to light. I take exception with journalists using
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Speaker 1: the term lolita express. I think that it diminishes what
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Speaker 1: these little children have gone through. That's the plane that
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Speaker 1: he used to fly back and forth. You do have
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Speaker 1: other evidence here. You've got things called flight logs they'll
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Speaker 1: have to talk about. The prosecutor can talk about who
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Speaker 1: was on board those planes. You can bring that pilot
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Speaker 1: to task that can talk about the timeline, who they
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Speaker 1: flew down there, and all these other peripherals. Because let
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Speaker 1: me tell you, as the cops begin to apply pressure.
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Speaker 1: Now that the floodgates are open to all of these
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Speaker 1: peripheral individuals that are looking to see their lives completely
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Speaker 1: destroyed by this, they're going to start to sing, and
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Speaker 1: you're going to have testimonial evidence at that moment in
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Speaker 1: time that will come forward. And another thing, Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: you referred to his private plane as Lolita Express. Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott is referring to a very famous work of fiction
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Speaker 1: where a young girl referred to as Lolita had relations
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Speaker 1: with a professor, a much older professor. Not only was
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's private plane called nicknamed Lolita Express, his private
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Speaker 1: island was known as Orgy Island. That's just kind of
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Speaker 1: thing I would want a jury to hear. But another thing,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, you and I prosecuted in testified at
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Speaker 1: state level. This is the fits. They ain't played, Joe Scott, No,
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Speaker 1: they're not. He has certainly messed with fire at this
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Speaker 1: point in time, because you know, we go back to
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Speaker 1: this idea of sexual trafficking. All the stars of the
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Speaker 1: stuff started down in Palm Beach. Now he has gone, well,
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Speaker 1: he's gone to the Virgin Islands. Now he's crossed over
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Speaker 1: international waters. He's gone to one of our territories. He's
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Speaker 1: this is where this trafficking comes in. He is taking
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Speaker 1: these poor children down to this island so that he
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Speaker 1: can literally pass them around among his wealthy and powerful
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Speaker 1: friends to use these poor kids however they see fit.
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Speaker 1: And now he's going straight into the teeth of the fits.
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Speaker 1: You know, Joe Scott, Remember we were just at crime
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Speaker 1: con in New Orleans, and you know, of course I
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Speaker 1: had my children with me because I was going to
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Speaker 1: be gone over two nights, that's the rule. Did you
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Speaker 1: see my little girl, Lucy, She's going to be well
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Speaker 1: and a couple of months. These girls are just twenty
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Speaker 1: four months older than my little Lucy, my little sweet girl.
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Speaker 1: And I just don't understand how this has been hidden
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Speaker 1: and covered up for so long. Listen to our friend
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Speaker 1: Stephanie GOsC at NBC. He arranged it so that he
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Speaker 1: got work release, which meant that he had a valet,
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Speaker 1: a driver that he hired pick him up at the
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Speaker 1: jail every day and essentially drive him to an office.
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Speaker 1: The former US attorney who approved the deal, Alexander Acosta,
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Speaker 1: is now President Trump's Secretary of labor and a possible
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Speaker 1: pick for Attorney General. A Labor Department spokesperson tells NBC
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Speaker 1: News that the US Attorney's office defended the deal across
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Speaker 1: three administrations, and pointed out that Secretary Acosta was asked
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Speaker 1: about the plea deal during his confirmation hearing last year.
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Speaker 1: Professionals within a prosecutor's office to side that a plea
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Speaker 1: that guarantees that someone goes to jail, that guarantees that
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Speaker 1: someone registered generally, and that guarantees other outcomes is a
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Speaker 1: good thing. The former Palm Beach police chief disagrees. I
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Speaker 1: think almost the entire system failed them crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. He arranged it so that he got work release,
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Speaker 1: which meant that he had a valet, a driver that
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Speaker 1: he hired pick him up at the jail every day
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Speaker 1: and essentially drive him to an office. The former US
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Speaker 1: attorney who approved the deal, Alexander Acosta, is now President
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Speaker 1: Trump's Secretary of Labor and ap pick for attorney General.
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Speaker 1: A Labor Department spokesperson tells NBC News that the US
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Speaker 1: Attorney's Office defended the deal across three administrations and pointed
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Speaker 1: out that Secretary Atcosta was asked about the plea deal
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Speaker 1: during his confirmation hearing last year. Professionals within a prosecutor's
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Speaker 1: office decide that a plea that guarantees that someone goes
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Speaker 1: to jail, that guarantees that someone registered generally, and that
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Speaker 1: guarantees other outcomes is a good thing. The former Palm
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Speaker 1: Beach police chief disagrees. I think almost the entire system
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Speaker 1: failed them. You're hearing our friends Stephanie Gosq at NBC, Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what has hit the fan. Finally and it's
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Speaker 1: been a long time coming. Billionaire that's b a zed brother.
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Speaker 1: Billionaire pedophile Jeff Epstein just arrested in a new underage
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Speaker 1: X case. And I don't know why they keep saying
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Speaker 1: underage sex is statutory rape when a child is just
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Speaker 1: fourteen years old. What I don't understand is many years
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Speaker 1: ago he was busted on this. His case allegedly implicates
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Speaker 1: royalty g I wonder who that is, presidents and many
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Speaker 1: other rich, powerful and influential targets. So somehow this guy
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Speaker 1: manages to be in the county jail, which nobody does
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Speaker 1: for a sentence over twelve months. Ever, he stays in
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Speaker 1: the county jail and actually has a valet, a private driver,
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Speaker 1: pick him up every day, drive him to his office,
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Speaker 1: and for three three presidential administrations. I'm talking about Republican
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Speaker 1: and Democrat. They have defended the Plea Deal, and now
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Speaker 1: the guy in charge of the deal, Acosta, is a
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Speaker 1: potential US Attorney General over my cold dead body. I
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Speaker 1: don't care if he's a Republican, a Democrat, an Independent,
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Speaker 1: a Green, a communist, I don't care what he is.
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Speaker 1: This is wrong, This is so wrong. Finally, Epstein goes
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Speaker 1: to jail. The hedge funder, who twelve years ago wiggled
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Speaker 1: out of similar charges of raping young girls, is going
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Speaker 1: to appear in a federal court in Manhattan charges of
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Speaker 1: trafficking dozens of little girls between two thousand and two
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Speaker 1: and two thousand and five in New York. In Florida,
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Speaker 1: where he has mansions. He was busted at Titterboro Airport
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Speaker 1: in New Jersey. That's a private airport where only private
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Speaker 1: planes land. At the same time he was busted, about
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Speaker 1: twelve federal agents were literally breaking down the door of
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Speaker 1: his fifty million dollar mansion on East seventy one and
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Speaker 1: the Upper East Side to execute search warrants straight out
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Speaker 1: to Karen Stark joining me New York Psychologists. You can
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Speaker 1: find her at Karen dot com. Before I get into
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Speaker 1: the psychology of this, tell me about as seventy first Street.
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Speaker 1: What kind of area is that the brief side, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it's a very wealthy area. Right right around that area
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Speaker 1: you'll find Um, the ex mayor of Bloomberg. It's it's
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Speaker 1: really where one of the places where the elite of
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Speaker 1: New York reside. And it's right there on the East River,
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Speaker 1: so you can look out on the water if you're
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Speaker 1: up in one of those penthouses. Karen Stark, do you
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Speaker 1: think he had any inkling or do you think for
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Speaker 1: all these years he was laughing on the inside, And
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Speaker 1: you know, he did not quit abusing girls that never happened.
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Speaker 1: Didn't happened. You're right now that he had gotten away
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Speaker 1: with it, chumming around with all his rich friends. Not
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Speaker 1: only do I think that he had an instinct that
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Speaker 1: he got away with it, Nancy, I think that he
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Speaker 1: was really full of pride and excited and proud of
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Speaker 1: the fact that he was able to get away with it,
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Speaker 1: because he has no conscience. And I want to add
24:09
Speaker 1: something about these girls. They're miners. There is a reason
24:14
Speaker 1: why miners cannot be held in any kind of as
24:19
Speaker 1: being responsible for what happened to them, because they can't
24:23
Speaker 1: make those kind of decisions. They're easily influenced. You can
24:27
Speaker 1: tell them, come on up, you're going to be a
24:29
Speaker 1: model and push them into a situation like that, so
24:34
Speaker 1: nobody can be None of these girls can be held
24:37
Speaker 1: responsible for what happened to them. Last darfriend as CBS
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Speaker 1: major Garrett, what is mister Epstein's connection to former President
24:44
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton? And how well, given that it's in Palm Beach,
24:47
Speaker 1: does he know the current president Donald Trump. So I'm
24:50
Speaker 1: going to want to get too far out of my
24:52
Speaker 1: repertorial abilities here. This is not a story I've followed closely.
24:58
Speaker 1: They are associated by name. I believe they've traveled together,
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and former President Bill Clinton. I have no
25:04
Speaker 1: clue whatsoever how well Jeffrey Epstein knew or didn't know
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, either before he was president or as president.
25:12
Speaker 1: I do know in general, and I mean in a
25:15
Speaker 1: very general sense, having been down to Palm Beach a
25:18
Speaker 1: lot in and around the Trump story, both campaign and presidency,
25:21
Speaker 1: that a lot of people who are well healed and
25:24
Speaker 1: wealthy tend to know one another, bump into each other
25:27
Speaker 1: at the same places. That's a general impression. I don't
25:30
Speaker 1: have any specific information about times or places, or whether
25:34
Speaker 1: or not they know each other very well at all,
25:35
Speaker 1: you know, I think part of the problem to Les Nichols,
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Speaker 1: special guest joining us, the past president of the National
25:42
Speaker 1: Coalition to Prevent Child Sex Abuse and Exploitation, Les Nichols,
25:48
Speaker 1: I think part of the problem is that people, the
25:52
Speaker 1: public believe the rich, the powerful, the educated would never
25:58
Speaker 1: do something like this. So what in your mind does
26:02
Speaker 1: a sex predator look like a child sex trafficker. You know,
26:05
Speaker 1: that's a great question, because that is the first stumbling
26:10
Speaker 1: bog for the general public is that there is no
26:14
Speaker 1: profile for a for a sexual predator, particularly people who
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Speaker 1: would exploit children. They could be from any walk of life.
26:27
Speaker 1: And that's what makes it even harder because the more
26:30
Speaker 1: we look up to people, the more coverage provides them.
26:34
Speaker 1: I mean, at a local level, we think of our
26:37
Speaker 1: coach or a teacher, or a minister, or someone who's
26:41
Speaker 1: just a wonderful volunteer in the community, and we look
26:45
Speaker 1: up to that person. If we would never imagine that
26:49
Speaker 1: they are a sexual predator interested in sex with children.
26:54
Speaker 1: Then just magnify that to someone like Bill Cosby or
26:59
Speaker 1: Jerry Sandusky, people that people admire would want to emulate.
27:04
Speaker 1: And then you get up to a level like a
27:06
Speaker 1: billionaire like mister Epstein, And it's just it's just so
27:10
Speaker 1: hard for people to get their head around the fact
27:12
Speaker 1: that anyone could do this. But literally anyone could, male
27:18
Speaker 1: or female. There's fairly recent studies as much as seven
27:22
Speaker 1: percent of the US adult population have some level of
27:27
Speaker 1: sexual interest in children. That's about sixteen to seventy million
27:35
Speaker 1: Americans that have have some level of sexual interest in children.
27:41
Speaker 1: Very hard for people to understand. What about it to you, Karen,
27:44
Speaker 1: start psychologist, I think Less Nichols is right. Less Nichols
27:48
Speaker 1: now consultant in R. L. Nichols and Associates. Karen, I
27:53
Speaker 1: remember prosecuting Childlein Station cases and very often the purps
27:58
Speaker 1: would be educated, that have a great job, that have
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Speaker 1: a wife and a family. Here with Epstein, he's a
28:04
Speaker 1: hedge fund expert, he is a billionaire with mansions all
28:08
Speaker 1: over the world. A lot of people would not think
28:12
Speaker 1: of him as a pedophile. But I guarantee you those
28:16
Speaker 1: Ritzy country gloves or he brushed elbows with all the
28:19
Speaker 1: other millionaires. They all knew that all go he's into
28:24
Speaker 1: little girls. I guarantee you they all knew, Karen. I'm
28:27
Speaker 1: sure they all knew Natty, or many of them knew.
28:30
Speaker 1: But you see the fact that you had that kind
28:33
Speaker 1: of a sexual predo predilection. I'm not coming out with
28:37
Speaker 1: the right word. If you are inclined to be somebody
28:43
Speaker 1: who goes after young girls, then it doesn't matter whether
28:48
Speaker 1: it's somebody you would think on the street, oh my god,
28:50
Speaker 1: he looks that way, or a very wealthy person, or
28:54
Speaker 1: the head of a company, somebody in politics. It can
28:58
Speaker 1: cross all lines because it's a desire, and that kind
29:01
Speaker 1: of a desire, which is not the norm, nevertheless, exists
29:06
Speaker 1: in our society. And you could be sure it's everywhere.
29:23
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know, they really want
29:28
Speaker 1: to see him go to prison. They want to see
29:30
Speaker 1: him punished for the crimes that he committed. We know,
29:35
Speaker 1: because of evidence that has come to light over the
29:38
Speaker 1: past several years, that he wasn't just doing this in
29:41
Speaker 1: Palm Beach. He's accused of trafficking girls in New York
29:46
Speaker 1: and other places. Around the world. And you know, the
29:51
Speaker 1: question is out there is why haven't federal authorities reopened
29:56
Speaker 1: this case or at least opened a new case in
30:00
Speaker 1: another jurisdiction. And I think that these women feel that
30:07
Speaker 1: prosecutors in the Justice Department has just worked to help
30:13
Speaker 1: cover up this case rather than expose and you know
30:16
Speaker 1: what Epstein did, and to find some kind of justice
30:19
Speaker 1: for these girls. Billionaire hedge funder Jeffrey Epstein just arrested
30:25
Speaker 1: his door literally broken down. The doorman and his New
30:31
Speaker 1: York high rise says that there was a constant stream
30:37
Speaker 1: of girls going in and out of the apartment at
30:40
Speaker 1: all hours, a continuous parade into Epstein's apartment of young
30:45
Speaker 1: girls that they look like models, and he couldn't even
30:49
Speaker 1: tell their ages, he says, because of all the makeup
30:53
Speaker 1: they were. As a bizarre coincidence, Woody Allen charged by
30:58
Speaker 1: his family with child sexy use and Bill Cosby lived
31:01
Speaker 1: there too. Wow. Okay. The doorman, who wanted to remain anonymous,
31:07
Speaker 1: says that he has a daughter he's just turning fourteen,
31:11
Speaker 1: and that he would put a bullet in Epstein's head.
31:13
Speaker 1: But you know that's neither here nor there. An indictment
31:16
Speaker 1: to be unsealed, including victims witnesses who spoke to the
31:21
Speaker 1: Feds over the past several months. Dave Matt, what's it
31:25
Speaker 1: all about, Nancy. We've been expecting this. Federal prosecutors announced
31:28
Speaker 1: sex trafficking and conspiracy charges against Jeffrey Epstein, and some
31:33
Speaker 1: experts are suggesting that this federal indictment is really a
31:37
Speaker 1: placeholder for prosecutors expecting a much larger superseding indictment to
31:42
Speaker 1: be forthcoming. The then teen girl victims elated that something's
31:47
Speaker 1: finally happened. Epstein has been hit. Was hit with a
31:52
Speaker 1: slap on the wrist twelve years ago after more than
31:55
Speaker 1: thirty underage girls were brave enough to come forward and
32:00
Speaker 1: describe being lured by money and threats to Epstein's mansions
32:04
Speaker 1: in Manhattan at a Caribbean island known as Orgy Island
32:11
Speaker 1: in Palm Beach. There they perform sex acts with a
32:15
Speaker 1: wealthy hedge funder and all of his friends that go
32:19
Speaker 1: from erotic massages to statutory rape. He managed to plead
32:25
Speaker 1: guilty to very small charges with one inconsequential let me
32:32
Speaker 1: just say, very light charges involving only one single minor
32:37
Speaker 1: under the age of eighteen. He got eighteen months in
32:40
Speaker 1: a Florida State jail and they closed the investigation. He
32:44
Speaker 1: only served thirteen months where he would have a valet
32:47
Speaker 1: pick him up every day and go to his office.
32:50
Speaker 1: Then he goes back to the Upper East Side to
32:52
Speaker 1: celebrate his release with his close pal, Britain's Prince Andrew.
33:01
Speaker 1: Back to Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
33:05
Speaker 1: You know how much I do not care about politics,
33:08
Speaker 1: but could you tell me again how many times did
33:10
Speaker 1: Clinton flight President Bill Clinton fly on the Lolita Express
33:16
Speaker 1: private plane of Jeffrey Epstein's to Orgie Island twenty six times? Nancy,
33:22
Speaker 1: that's what's been documented, twenty six Okay, Jeffcott Morgan again,
33:25
Speaker 1: could you explain to me how that can be corroborated. Well,
33:28
Speaker 1: there are things called flight logs, Nancy. That means that
33:30
Speaker 1: every time that plane takes off, it has a registered
33:33
Speaker 1: tail number, and that plane is giving evidence. And trust me,
33:38
Speaker 1: if former President Clinton is in tow, if he is
33:43
Speaker 1: on this plane, there's going to be corroborated through logs. Say,
33:47
Speaker 1: for instance, he has a secret Service detail that tracks
33:50
Speaker 1: along with him wherever he goes. So you can actually
33:54
Speaker 1: pair those two things up. So the time that the
33:56
Speaker 1: plane leaves and you know, pair that up with the
33:59
Speaker 1: time that a secret service brought President Clinton to the
34:03
Speaker 1: airport to put him on the plane. I guess they
34:05
Speaker 1: traveled with him. So once they travel with him, they
34:08
Speaker 1: have to fly back. You know what time did the
34:10
Speaker 1: plane land? Then when do they get into limos and
34:12
Speaker 1: take back off again? So this is going to be
34:15
Speaker 1: easily easily documented by prosecutors moving forward. You know, it's
34:19
Speaker 1: such a hot potato right now because a Costa is
34:22
Speaker 1: within the Trump administration. So this is dragging Trump into
34:25
Speaker 1: the whole thing too. I mean, the implications of this
34:32
Speaker 1: are are huge. So you've got Acosta embedded within the
34:38
Speaker 1: current presidential administration, You've got Clinton on the Lolita Express.
34:43
Speaker 1: Good gravy to Less Nichols, child protection consultant at R. L.
34:48
Speaker 1: Nichols and Associates. You know, when people here at the
34:51
Speaker 1: phrase child sex trafficking, they think, for instance, Thailand or
34:58
Speaker 1: other countries that seem so far far away. It's happening
35:03
Speaker 1: right here, Less Nickels, right under our noses. Oh is
35:07
Speaker 1: it ever? And in fact, Nancy, you know, when you
35:11
Speaker 1: fly into Atlanta, airport, the belief still the largest airport
35:16
Speaker 1: in the country. What you're greeted with or warnings about
35:21
Speaker 1: sexual trafficking and posters in the airport about sexual trafficking.
35:26
Speaker 1: That's because Atlanta has become the leader. Out of about
35:30
Speaker 1: nine or ten cities in the US, it's currently the
35:34
Speaker 1: lead for sexual trafficking and for tourism sexual tourism. And
35:42
Speaker 1: the reason is the location and the ease. I mean,
35:45
Speaker 1: Atlanta is so perfectly located. In the central location. About
35:49
Speaker 1: two thirds of the country can get to Atlanta in
35:52
Speaker 1: about two and a half hours. You can fly in
35:54
Speaker 1: in the morning, have an arrangement, have someone pick you
35:57
Speaker 1: up in their limo, have sex with a child, fly
36:00
Speaker 1: back home that night, have dinner with your family. It's
36:04
Speaker 1: just so easy. You know, when you say sexual tourism,
36:08
Speaker 1: I know that that's a common phrase, but it almost
36:11
Speaker 1: makes it sound like, you know, it's innocent, it's just
36:14
Speaker 1: a fun thing. Yeah, it's just harmless, I know, but
36:17
Speaker 1: that's that's one of the terms used to describe it
36:19
Speaker 1: to Jason Ocean's renowned defense attorney joining me from New York. Jason.
36:23
Speaker 1: Under federal law, the victims had to be notified when
36:27
Speaker 1: this slap on the wrists went down thirteen months in
36:29
Speaker 1: a private valet, but they weren't and then they file
36:34
Speaker 1: suit over that what really cracked this case wide open
36:38
Speaker 1: and ends up with Epstein being arrested again as front
36:41
Speaker 1: door literally broken into with a battering ram. Well, that
36:45
Speaker 1: was under the Crimes Victims' Rights Act. They pursued the victims.
36:51
Speaker 1: One of the victims pursued that, and eventually the court
36:55
Speaker 1: ruled that recently that it needed to be opened up
36:58
Speaker 1: and that that non prosecutorial agreement, the NPA was not
37:02
Speaker 1: valid because they weren't notified. So they used that act,
37:08
Speaker 1: that federal act, to crack the non prosecuting Prosecutorial Agreement,
37:13
Speaker 1: the NPA. They popped that open. The government initially argued that,
37:17
Speaker 1: you know, some of the victims might be harmed by this,
37:20
Speaker 1: which is possible. There were financial settlements that could come
37:22
Speaker 1: into play. But nonetheless, the prosecutors made I believe, as
37:27
Speaker 1: we all do here, the right decision to reopen it
37:30
Speaker 1: up and and and and take a good fresh look
37:34
Speaker 1: and obviously to the point of an indictment here and
37:37
Speaker 1: the rest, well, another group I want to look at
37:40
Speaker 1: are all of those women as so called assistance that
37:42
Speaker 1: would allegedly go out and find the victims and bring
37:45
Speaker 1: them in for their quote modeling appointments. We wait as
37:49
Speaker 1: justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend,