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Prisons & Proposals · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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  Speaker 1: This is a Bramble Jam podcast.
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  Speaker 2: This week on your gavel gavel?
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  Speaker 3: Can you sue someone for accepting collect calls in your
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  Speaker 3: house from your son?
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  Speaker 2: Judge Ross is here to tell you to pay up.
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  Speaker 2: And if it proposes somebody.
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  Speaker 1: In the middle of a haunted house and they break
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  Speaker 1: up with you, does everything work out good? Or do
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  Speaker 1: things get scary? Judge Jared tells us real people.
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  Speaker 2: Cases, Thank Justice. This is your gl gravel gavel, gavel, devil,
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  Speaker 2: gavel gavel.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, gravel, gavel, gavel, cavel.
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  Speaker 1: Gavel gavel.
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  Speaker 2: What are we doing cavel gavel?
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  Speaker 4: Hi?
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  Speaker 2: Anybody?
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  Speaker 3: I know we do this every other week brand, but
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  Speaker 3: it feels like months we've been here. It does feel
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  Speaker 3: like a which back in the chamber is back in
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  Speaker 3: the rows for those of you watching on the all
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  Speaker 3: access page, Bye Golly bye golly by Golly.
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  Speaker 1: Dano, It's great to be in the House of the.
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  Speaker 2: Jumping.
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  Speaker 1: I am heading over to Judge Jerry's chambers. You are
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  Speaker 1: going to Judge.
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  Speaker 2: Rod and Judge what is it?
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  Speaker 3: What justice is not some lemon concept a foreign lemon. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: justice is not a lemon. No it is not. So
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  Speaker 3: we're both right, We're both right. Yes, and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: be honest. I saw the case, I saw the time
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  Speaker 3: on it. I was like, this is it. This will
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  Speaker 3: be my short boy. I'm gonna go ahead and watch
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  Speaker 3: this one real quick, and it was way deeper and
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  Speaker 3: more serious than I ever thought it could be.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm gonna go ahead and go first.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's get the mood down and there, judgment, bring
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  Speaker 1: it up, bring up married in a haunted house.
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  Speaker 2: That's some high jinks.
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  Speaker 3: That's engage in a haunted house, but bad whatever? Not
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  Speaker 3: what I Martha Robinson is suing Pamela Jones for seven
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  Speaker 3: and two dollars and fifty cents for collect calls that
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  Speaker 3: Pamela accepted in Martha's home.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, great, God seems.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty above bort from a case. Uh it isn't. Let's
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  Speaker 2: hear from Martha. Wow, who did that?
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  Speaker 1: I forgot, I forget I record things and I forget
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  Speaker 1: what they are?
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  Speaker 2: Happy, d D late. This is it.
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  Speaker 3: Week's late, but it's all right, Martha says. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Ross says this is an interesting case.
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  Speaker 3: He's very somber when he opens up the folder and
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  Speaker 3: he's like, this case has really made me think a lot,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, collect calls what what why? And he goes, Uh, Martha,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna start with you tell me about your son.
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  Speaker 3: Martha's son not in the corporate Martha's the plaintiff. Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 3: Martha goes, My son's name is Rodney Robinson. He's been
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  Speaker 3: incarcerated for arm robbery, uh, for about six months months
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  Speaker 3: or eight months that he committed.
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  Speaker 2: And he's twenty eight years old.
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  Speaker 3: And Ross is like, okay, twenty eight. This means this
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  Speaker 3: probably is not his first defense doing something like this.
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  Speaker 3: To be in jail at twenty eight typically that just
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  Speaker 3: doesn't happen. That's kind of unusual out of the blue.
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  Speaker 3: Has he been arrested before? She says, no, he's never
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  Speaker 3: been arrested before. Wow, he said, tell me what happened.
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  Speaker 3: He and a few friends robbed a convenience store in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of the day. This is his first time
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  Speaker 3: doing anything and he's in jail. Wow, she's And Ross goes,
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  Speaker 3: what was he doing for the ten years before this?
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  Speaker 3: And she says not much of anything. He didn't really work,
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  Speaker 3: he didn't go to school, nothing. And Ross is like, yep,
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  Speaker 3: that checks out, so he probably did some stuff. And
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  Speaker 3: didn't blah blah blah. So let's go over to Pamela.
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  Speaker 3: Pamela is younger, and he goes and that is where
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  Speaker 3: you come in Pamelacas. He didn't commit a robbery, you're honor.
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  Speaker 3: She's very well spool.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't. He didn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: He was in his friend's car waiting for them to
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  Speaker 3: come out. He didn't do a thing. He was wrongfully arrested.
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  Speaker 3: You shouldn't be in jail. We'll get there, okay. Pamela
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  Speaker 3: is emphatic that he should not, and the mom is
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  Speaker 3: emphatic that he didn't. Yes, so uh, she's very Pamela,
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  Speaker 3: very well spoken, very calm, cool, collective.
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  Speaker 2: Ross says, were you there? No, your honor, wasn't there.
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  Speaker 3: Did you plead? Did he plead to the charge? Did
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  Speaker 3: he say he was guilty? Uh, your honor, He did
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  Speaker 3: plead the charge because he didn't want to go to
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  Speaker 3: jail for twenty years. So he's going to jail for
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  Speaker 3: two years instead. And that's important because we have a
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  Speaker 3: son together, got it. So our son is no, he
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  Speaker 3: wasn't doing much of nothing. He was doing a little
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  Speaker 3: of at.
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  Speaker 1: Least something something.
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  Speaker 2: Their son is nine years old. Whoa boy? Nine years? Okay?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so Ross says, so you've been with this guy
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  Speaker 3: for ten years. It wasn't working, wasn't going to school.
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  Speaker 3: Why in the world were you were you with this
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  Speaker 3: guy for ten years? And she is very articulate. We've
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  Speaker 3: never been homeless, we've never been on the streets. He's
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  Speaker 3: never done any drugs. He did work. That is not true.
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  Speaker 3: And Martha at this point pops up and goes, they
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  Speaker 3: lived with me, your honor, Ross goes. Pamela says, we
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  Speaker 3: live with you for two and a half years, and
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  Speaker 3: Ross goes, well, two and a half years in your
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  Speaker 3: twenties is a long time. And then Pamela says we
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  Speaker 3: helped her financially. And he says, what was Rodney doing
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  Speaker 3: to help financially? How are you helping financially? If this
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  Speaker 3: guy didn't work, She says, your honor, he did work.
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  Speaker 3: He would had a friend who was a construction worker,
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  Speaker 3: and he would do independent contracting for that friend and
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  Speaker 3: he assists them. And he says, what do you do?
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  Speaker 3: She goes, I work part time in retail. I'm a
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  Speaker 3: full time student going to school to be a medical assistant.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: So Ross at this point goes, see, Rodney, Rodney had
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  Speaker 3: good taste, he knew what he was.
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  Speaker 2: Getting with you. You I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know because it doesn't sound like Rodney was
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  Speaker 3: contributing any meaningful way to the situation. And at this
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  Speaker 3: point Martha goes, thank you, that's her kid I was
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  Speaker 3: talking about. It's very confusing, says, that's your son you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about that is in jail, and you just said
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  Speaker 3: thank you to him being a deadbeat when it's not true.
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  Speaker 3: And Kevin Ross says, this.
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  Speaker 1: Is the weirdest thing because it's typically like the opposite
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  Speaker 1: of how it goes ex usually like the parent things
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  Speaker 1: all other kids. And then there is I know they're
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  Speaker 1: a dead be they never were there for me, they
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  Speaker 1: like and in this particular case, I tend to trust
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  Speaker 1: the person that that's right is sticking by.
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  Speaker 3: Him, so is Kevin Ross. Kevin Ross says, only a
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  Speaker 3: mom could say that. Only a mom could say that,
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  Speaker 3: and that's what she said. Martha said, look, the reality
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  Speaker 3: is Judge Ross. Uh, and she breaks down in tears.
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  Speaker 2: My child told me in.
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  Speaker 3: Prison for five straight months that he was innocent and
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  Speaker 3: then it turns out he wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what changed her mind?
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  Speaker 1: Does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. She's crying and we
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  Speaker 2: don't get anything else out of it.
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  Speaker 3: It's not healthy for him to visit his Basically, she says,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want my grand and son to have any
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  Speaker 3: connection with his father, none, zero, right now while he's
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  Speaker 3: in jail.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want it. It's not healthy. I don't want it.
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  Speaker 3: So Kevin Ross goes, So this is where the phone
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  Speaker 3: calls come in. Your son is accepting collect calls from
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  Speaker 3: his father in jail on his mom's home phone. And
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  Speaker 3: Pamela says, yes, you're on her, but I do help
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  Speaker 3: pay the bills in the house.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So the son is.
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  Speaker 3: Son lives with the grandma, and the mom got it,
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  Speaker 3: and so the dad's calling collect from who gets the
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  Speaker 3: phone bill.
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  Speaker 1: It's grandma.
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  Speaker 3: The grandma got it, the mom of the kid in jail.
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  Speaker 3: That's why she's suing. She didn't want to accept the call.
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  Speaker 3: Pamela is accepting the calls and let the kids speak
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  Speaker 3: to his Okay, serious stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so uh at this point Ross just stops. Everybody goes.
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  Speaker 3: So we've got two things going on here. We've got
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  Speaker 3: a mother dealing with the pain of an incarcerated child.
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  Speaker 3: And we have a mother dealing with the pain of
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  Speaker 3: raising a child his father is incarcerated.
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  Speaker 2: This is tough.
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  Speaker 3: But and then he says, basically, but miss Jones, you
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  Speaker 3: need to understand. If you're in your own place, you're
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  Speaker 3: in your own thing, you can make and receive all
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  Speaker 3: the collect calls.
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  Speaker 2: You want to you want to receive.
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  Speaker 3: But in her house where she pays the bills and
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  Speaker 3: it's the tag is her name.
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  Speaker 2: You can't do that.
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  Speaker 3: And and and once again she goes, you'r honor, I
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  Speaker 3: help pay the bills. But also she doesn't want my
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  Speaker 3: son to have a relationship with his father. And Ross says, stop,
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  Speaker 3: I understand why you're upset, but it is your job
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  Speaker 3: to figure out another way of communicating with him.
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  Speaker 2: It is her house and and uh and uh.
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  Speaker 3: Pamela says, uh, well, we've already done that, We've already
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  Speaker 3: fixed it. Like she's not gonna she's moving somewhere else.
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  Speaker 3: And Ross says, she's told you it's her house and
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  Speaker 3: to not make those calls. And at this point, Pamela,
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  Speaker 3: some thing switches in her who has been calm and
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  Speaker 3: articulate the whole time, and she goes, I don't make
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  Speaker 3: the calls you're on her.
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  Speaker 2: I receive them.
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  Speaker 3: She corrects Boss Ross, and at this point Ross takes
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  Speaker 3: a deep breath and he goes, Okay, earlier I said
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  Speaker 3: that Rodney had good taste.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna have to walk that back. Oh
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  Speaker 2: my gosh, Ross.
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  Speaker 3: And Pamela says, well, that's an insult. You can say
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  Speaker 3: whatever you want, but she's aware of what I do
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  Speaker 3: for her household. She can't handle it on her own,
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  Speaker 3: and you can ask her and let her answer the question.
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  Speaker 3: Ross says, you can ignore people if you want, but
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  Speaker 3: you're not gonna ignore me. These calls were made in
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  Speaker 3: her house, you were living there. This is not about
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  Speaker 3: the help you do around the house. Pamela then says,
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  Speaker 3: you sound like the twelve people in the jury making assumptions.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: Ross then says, ma'am, you've got a smart mouth, and
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  Speaker 3: I am insulting you because you don't understand our s
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  Speaker 3: p E.
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  Speaker 1: C t Le's respect, respect. I got it.
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  Speaker 3: She says, that's not what I'm saying, and he says,
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  Speaker 3: do you hear what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: He's ready to rule.
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  Speaker 1: So is Pamela claiming that she has paid for.
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  Speaker 3: The phone she's paid, claiming that she does work around
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  Speaker 3: the house and helps pay bills in the home. We
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  Speaker 3: don't hear any of what those are or the paperwork
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  Speaker 3: of them.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, then I am going to assume that she
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  Speaker 1: is going to owe the money for said phone calls
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  Speaker 1: that were made in the house of the woman who
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  Speaker 1: said don't don't accept the phone calls. An intriguing case, though,
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  Speaker 1: I think if she were to come in and say
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  Speaker 1: more clearly, like if there was some sort of arrangements,
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  Speaker 1: like hey, I will do this and we'll pay for
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  Speaker 1: the phone bill, Like I don't know what bill she's paying,
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  Speaker 1: so that's part of the money moneiness of it. But no,
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  Speaker 1: she's gonna owe the.
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  Speaker 3: Money, so he says. So then he says, do you
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  Speaker 3: hear what I'm saying? And then she says, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: gonna let my son have no connection with his father.
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  Speaker 3: He says, ma'am, your position has no merit. And then
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  Speaker 3: Pamela looks at him and says, you're contradicting yourself, and
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  Speaker 3: Ross says, sit down, sit down. He says it twice.
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  Speaker 3: She doesn't sit down, and he says bailiff, I need
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  Speaker 3: you to get her out of the courtroom. Bailiff es
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  Speaker 3: hurts her out of the room. Out On the way out,
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  Speaker 3: she says Rodney is innocent, and she walks out of
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  Speaker 3: the room. Ross goes, this is tough. It's tough, and
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  Speaker 3: early on she started off really strong. But Martha, I
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  Speaker 3: think I.
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  Speaker 2: Just I agree with you.
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  Speaker 3: Not only are your seven hundred two dollars, but considering
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  Speaker 3: what's going on right now, you're gonna need to get
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  Speaker 3: her out of your house. And Martha breaks down crying
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  Speaker 3: and says, but my grandchild. I want my grandson to
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  Speaker 3: be around and be raised well. And he goes, you're
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  Speaker 3: in a tough spot. You're in a tough situation. And
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  Speaker 3: that's the into the case judgment in favor of the planet.
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  Speaker 3: So he brought the mood all the way down.
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  Speaker 1: And I also, I granted I haven't seen the case,
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  Speaker 1: but this is clear of Pamela. I believe Pamela is
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  Speaker 1: a mother who cares very much for her child, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and wants her child to have some sort of relationships
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  Speaker 1: with her father.
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  Speaker 2: Both moms care for their child.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing about the case that's tough, is
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  Speaker 3: both moms care for their child, and Ross makes a
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  Speaker 3: point of going. I think we think it's good for
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  Speaker 3: the kid to go visit the dad in jail. But psychologically,
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  Speaker 3: if you read the reports, I'm not sure it is.
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  Speaker 1: He says that, but is he visiting or is he
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  Speaker 1: just making phone calls?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think he does conflate the two into one.
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  Speaker 3: But he says visiting, even though this is about calls.
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  Speaker 3: So it's something it was a real time we had. Well,
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  Speaker 3: let me introduce you to Kayla Rooney.
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  Speaker 1: Who Kayla Rooney I think looks a little bit like
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  Speaker 1: Billie Eilish And Aaron said, yes, so did you come
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  Speaker 1: in and get a second a second opinion? Yes, she's
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  Speaker 1: suing Roy. I didn't get Roy's last name. I assume
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  Speaker 1: he has one, though, Roy Roy with Kayla is suing
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  Speaker 1: Roy two thousand, eight hundred and fifteen dollars for the
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  Speaker 1: price of a ring and a phone bill. Are you ready?
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready ringing phone bill.
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  Speaker 1: Kayla and Roy started dating in June of twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: Sparks were flying, sparks were flying. They move in together.
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  Speaker 1: Kayla says she's so happy. The relationship is just poifit
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  Speaker 1: poy fake, that's something that I said. I threw that
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  Speaker 1: in there, but she does say that she's just a
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  Speaker 1: wonderful time. It's around Halloween and they go to a
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  Speaker 1: haunted house because Halloween is Kayla's favorite hall.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so he actually this guy's really doing it, really
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  Speaker 3: doing it right, but he just decided to pop the question.
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  Speaker 2: What no hold on?
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  Speaker 5: Now?
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  Speaker 1: They go through it and then listen to the whole story.
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  Speaker 1: They go through a haunted house. They're in the haunted house,
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  Speaker 1: they get split up somehow, someone with a chainsaw starts
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  Speaker 1: chasing her around the haunted house. I'm assuming one of
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  Speaker 1: the players, it wasn't a random person. And she's running
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  Speaker 1: and she gets tripped somehow, falls down, gets up, looks
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  Speaker 1: behind her and.
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  Speaker 2: Who's on their knees? Who's on their knee? Ready to
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  Speaker 2: pop the question?
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  Speaker 1: Our guy Roy Jerry's very impressed by this. Roy says, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I got everything set up with the staff beforehand. It
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  Speaker 1: was all a big purpose. It does seem like that,
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  Speaker 1: but what can you do physical harm?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it's just me.
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  Speaker 1: From there, things are going just swell until Kayla starts
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  Speaker 1: to get a gut feeling women's intuition that something is
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  Speaker 1: up Roy, I think he might now. Uh So one
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  Speaker 1: day he goes he's in the shower nude.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't have his clothes on in the shower.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't have his clothes on, I know. And so
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  Speaker 1: she decided, this is the moment I'm going to go
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  Speaker 1: through his phone and just I want to make in
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  Speaker 1: the shower. That's exactly right, Aaron, what are your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on going through your dating significant other phone?
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  Speaker 5: I did it once.
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  Speaker 1: How to go for you?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I knew that he was cheating, and I just
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  Speaker 5: wanted to proof. Other than that, I think that you
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  Speaker 5: have to just make that choice to trust them, and
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  Speaker 5: if you don't, then that's not really a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: But if you have, but if you you don't, you
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  Speaker 1: don't think if you have a gut feeling, you should go.
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  Speaker 3: So when you were when he this dude was cheating,
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  Speaker 3: you had a feeling someone.
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  Speaker 5: Had told me, but he was denying it. So I
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  Speaker 5: was just trying to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, got it, that's all it there.
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  Speaker 6: Really, it's just I you know, I I I There's
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  Speaker 6: a lot of cases like this and it's just the
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  Speaker 6: best job.
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  Speaker 2: Ever, some days Aaron has to go back and talk
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  Speaker 2: about how well yeah, I didn't know. I in my defense,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that part of your story.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm unhappy. I am happy to unpack any.
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  Speaker 2: Of this, right, thank you. She's unhappy.
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  Speaker 4: She's listen, you said what you said, you said, you
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  Speaker 4: can't cover it up that, Yeah, stopping the breaks the phone.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's okay.
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  Speaker 6: I uh, it's just you know, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 6: these cases, and I always wonder what I would do
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  Speaker 6: in a situation like that, because to me, like when
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  Speaker 6: you're married, like, yeah, we have going on each other exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But that's it's a different it's a different twenty years.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I know, it's a different type of relationship though, that's
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: the marriage relationship versus dating. And I always whatever this happened,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, I wonder what's I wonder what
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: wonder what I would do in this situation? Is?
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Is is we know what?
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: We know what Aeron would do? Right? She told us,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: So she goes through the phone, and.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Was he in the shower when you went through the phone.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: No, he was a practice what kind of practice football?
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Football? Okay? Wow?
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Any more questions before?
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Well, now, like where did he leave his phone?
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Drink?
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Why did.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: Well. He had like gone out with his friends and
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: I he left his phone behind and I was like,
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: all right, now the time.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: You're just asking that, yeah.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: It was pretty much over and I just wanted that final.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Proof and then yeah see ye yeah perfect, okay. Well, well,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: well more on that, More on.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: That, very interesting, more more more on that later. So
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: she goes through the phone and it becomes clear to
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: her that Roy is having a relationship with somebody else.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Now this gets a little bit even messier because he
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: denies that this is happening. Was amazing, She says, it
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: is happening. And to make matters worse, it's a member
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: of my family.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: What please tell me it's a sister.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: We don't get into. We don't get into she keeps saying,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: a member of my family. She I don't know if
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: it's a cousin. I don't know. If it's a sister,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know, if it's a mom. I don't know,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: if it's a grandma.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: We don't know. Yeah, yeah, we don't know. He doesn't.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: He doesn't.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: We don't get into who it is. Don't get into that,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: he says, no, no, no, I didn't. She says, the
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: member of the family came clean and admitted to having
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the relationship. Uh so yeah, so they yeah that that
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: that's how happening. One day, she's in the shower, naked
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and shower both of these two people clothe without any
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: shower with a shower without any clothes on. Can you
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: believe this? Socks a shower there, socks on?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine taking a show?
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: No, give me my socks. So uh So, she gets
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: out of the shower one day and she notices that
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: her engagement ring that she only takes off when she's
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: in the shower is missing. So it's a murky here.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: If she was trying to make things work, if they
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: were broken up, if they were on a break whatever,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: But at the time, she was still wearing her engagement
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: ring and he stole it. And she goes in the shower,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: she and she takes off her clothes and the ring
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: and the ring. So uh full monty and uh she
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: gets out of the shower and she notices that the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: ring is missing, and that Roy is the only one
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that would have taken it. And also he was seriously
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: buys a p It's five immediately after the rig goes mysteriously,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: so yeah, he probably took the ring back. Roy admits
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: that he took it. He says, I paid for it.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: If we're not going to get married, I want it back.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: He says that he broke up with her because she
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: didn't get me. He said, I'm a black man, she's
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: a white woman. She doesn't understand what it's like to
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: be me. Was he willing to propose to her, yes,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: so I don't know what happened in between proposal and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: this in regards to what he's talking about family, yes, yes,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: but also I don't know if you just realized she's white.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, but at some point that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: became a problem for him, so he breaks up with
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: herr says Roy, Did you cheat on her with a
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: member of her family? He says no, I talked to
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: this member of the family on a regular basis, trying
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: to under like know how I can care for her more.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: But I did not cheat on her. Uh, And I
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: believe that she's crazy and is making it up. Jerry says, Roy,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: you're under oath. Did you sleep with the member of
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: her family? And Roy says I did. He folds like
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: a like a like a like the clothes you take
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: off before taking a shower. So uh, Kaylea says, first
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of all, she's like, thank you, thank you for Why didn't.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: You just say that you take a shower, you take
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: your clothes.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Off and fold them.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just trying to wrap my brain around those.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: There's some gymnastics there to get there.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: But again I don't I don't shower.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: But what you imagine people take their clothes off and
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: they imagined them. What are you gonna crumble them up? Yeah,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: they're in the laundry. Now they go to the laundry. Interesting, Yeah,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: that's how that works.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: So how do they get clean?
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: You wash them in a machine in the shower. Nope,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: in a machine, and then they dry them. Then you
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: fold them on up and then you then you fold
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: them there.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: There's there's there's separates devices.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: For cleaning and close.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: You don't have to put them on to clean. What's
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the point of the shower to clean your body?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I know this is all new information for you.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: So Roy says he did it. This is all shocking
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to Kayla. But it's like that if you would have
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: told me, we would have maybe been able to work
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: things out, but instead you lied until you were lit
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and for we're all one to say it, so, Kallas says.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: After they broke up, she starts to get bills for
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: a Sprint phone. Yea, and she says, I don't have Sprints.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: He knew all of my info, including my social Security number.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: He could have easily opened up a phone plan under
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: my name. He says, I have T Mobile that he
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: didn't merge, so I don't know how all that would
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: work out. I believe it would technically come from T
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Mobile though, because T Mobile is the parent. Jerry says,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: if she, do you have any phone records to show,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: like who's using the phone? Like like you know how
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: T mobile sensu is a.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Paper bill everything the paper bill every month.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Do you have that paper bill.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: And I could go through and see who you text?
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: It's exactly right, It's exactly right. It's a lot of
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of you, it's a lot of my wife.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: You do use the most data of the four. I
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: always check that.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how much that me and then Caitlin and then
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: my wife is.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Lest That sounds about right, yeah, Jerry says. Ask for
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the phone records, She says, I do not have those
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: with me and he is ready to rule.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, you can always take a ring back. The ring
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: is the one gift that you can take back. She
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: is not gonna get any money because they broke up,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: and she's not gonna get it. Even if she doesn't
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: think they broke up. They did break up. He can
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: take the ring. You're exactly right, Dan.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: The phone and claim gets thrown out because she does
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: not have any records and the ring is a conditional gift.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Both cases, both claims are dismissed. But I will say
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: this in the after party where they you know, say words.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Roy.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: After the show, Roy, talking to the camera says, if
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I could do this all over again, I would sleeping
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: with her family member felt good.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Wow. Roy went from denying everything.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: To being like, give me another that's right. I don't
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: know how it happened. He went from literally refusing to
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: admit to having any sort of relationship with the stay
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: one word going.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Was it really the under oath thing? Like the truth
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: set him free? Like it was like your under oath
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: in Judge Jerry's courtroom. You can't be tried for perjury anywhere.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: You say whatever you want and Judge Jerry's courtroom. But
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: it worked for him apparently, so good on you, Roy.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Good luck Roy, Phineas is coming for you. That's a
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Billie Eilis joke. For those of you get home. We
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: did everybody.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Congratulations.
• 25:14
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• 25:17
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