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It's Okay to Fail: Leadership, Resilience, and Finding Your Path · The Lawtino™

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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the Latino Podcast, where we amplify the voices of Latino professionals, entrepreneurs, and leaders coming together to educate, inspire, and connect across one of the most dynamic binational regions in the world.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bicultural, premium, powerful.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hey, Sean Gomez with another episode of the Latino Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: Part of our special series here from Washington, D.C.
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  SPEAKER_02: We are at the Hispanic National Bar Association annual conference connecting with getting to know uh leaders from the Hispanic National Bar Association community.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, this episode, as always, is brought to you by Gomez Trial Attorneys, an international consumer rights law firm.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, we have offices both in California uh and uh Mexico.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's why we call ourselves bi-national.
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  SPEAKER_02: We deliver the very highest uh legal excellence in both English and Spanish.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's why we call ourselves bicultural, and we are the very best lawyers in our field.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh that's why we call ourselves best in class.
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  SPEAKER_02: What do we do?
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  SPEAKER_02: We represent consumers in cases involving personal injury, employment harms, civil rights violations, mass torts, and class actions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today I'm joined as always by um our my co-host David Areguin, who's also a lawyer at the firm who runs our US-Mexico corridor practice, and who originally was a guest on this podcast and now works at the firm and is my co-host.
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  SPEAKER_02: So uh turn it over to you to introduce our next guest, David.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, John.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I tell all of our guests that that podcast I think was a job interview.
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  SPEAKER_01: Interesting to see how I did on the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, unfortunately, I think I nailed it because I got the job.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, so I'm excited to welcome our guest.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we had a very interesting like uh chat yesterday.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, very energetic, very uh she's a paralegal from North Carolina.
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  SPEAKER_01: She comes to that from North Carolina.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and you know, we just wanted to chat because I know you this is your is this your second HMBA conference?
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  SPEAKER_00: My second HMBA conference.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's perfect.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, Jackie, we want to hear about you.
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  SPEAKER_01: We want to hear about your background, where you came from.
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  SPEAKER_01: We were talking a little about LA.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh so tell us a little bit about your background, where you're from, and uh what do you do for a living?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I'm originally from California, like I mentioned.
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  SPEAKER_00: I moved to North Carolina when I was two, so I grew up in North Carolina.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, my mom owned a taquería in North Carolina.
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  SPEAKER_00: We were one of the only taquerillas in our area.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um I started working at a really young age.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really, really young.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's like a successful business.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everyone wants to do tacos.
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  SPEAKER_00: So she actually sold it about three years ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: We had it for 20 years or so.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think that naturally helped me become a leader, you know, because at the age of 15, there's employees looking at me for, hey, what are we gonna do with this issue?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, just because I'm the boss's daughter, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: So naturally I always just stepped into that leadership role, um, that business kind of mindset.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um then I joined the Navy.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was in the Navy for five years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for your service.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So same thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where were you stationed?
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  SPEAKER_00: Norfolk, Virginia.
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  SPEAKER_02: Norfolk.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was born in Portsmouth.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's where my daughter was.
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  SPEAKER_02: Portsmouth Naval Hospital.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's where my daughter was born.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we're the same.
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  SPEAKER_02: My dad was uh they used to have an air station in um Oceana.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not there anymore.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but he also was in carriers out of uh what is it like uh with right there, Chesapeake Bay, Newport News, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, the shipyards.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, see, small world.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was there for five years, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was trying to get away from home, but I ended up only three hours away from home.
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  SPEAKER_02: But you know, you drive home.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was nice.
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  SPEAKER_02: You were like, oh, thank gosh.
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  SPEAKER_01: Once in a while, like close enough, but not close close.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: She was hoping for Hawaii, but I was.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was hoping for Spain or somewhere other than, you know, but it's okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: It worked out great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I did that for five years.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did um legal admin in the Navy, and I didn't like I didn't like how they hand not handled things, but it just I saw things that just did not feel fair.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when I got out, I decided to do criminal defense.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was paralegal at a criminal defense firm for five years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and then I left the firm with no plan.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm actually an operations director now for a startup company.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um that's kind of where I'm at.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: What does that mean, operations director for a startup company?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I build all of their systems, so like all of their um onboarding process with new employees.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um I really do everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we have a retail store going up, so I track and log everything, any invoices coming in, anything that we're purchasing, deadlines, budgets.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, we have a bar that's coming up, a cigar lounge.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm I'm tracking everything from employees to um, you know, all the businesses that we have going on.
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, if you're listening, um, I I have a big law firm.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have, you know, I don't know how many employees we have, 80, 90.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, and so operations, like if you haven't, if you have a business in a law firm and you haven't looked at the operational side of your business, you're leaking money.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, extremely important.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you are are just not doing yourself or your family or your employees um, you know, the by the right way.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you need to find an operations person like like her to lift the trunk and look under everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's amazing efficiencies that can be realized.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if you don't have someone like you, you know, people can be stealing money, especially in that industry.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like uh, so hats off to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So again, that's kind of where I'm at right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: I still, you know, I didn't want to get out of the legal field.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I actually started doing contracting work for two immigration attorneys.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's where I came up with the bright idea of okay, let me start my own business.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so my brother actually has his own business.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's called Legal Sprout.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he takes it called Legal Sprout.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he'll take leads and convert them into clients by automating the system, making it a little more efficient.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's big money now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it's a really cool system he's built.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that kind of pushed me to start something of my own, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have my Spanish, my paralegal experience, you know, and now operations experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: So why not start a business?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, why not be my own boss?
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  SPEAKER_02: Agree with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, plus I knew like like we were chatting yesterday.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's like, Well, she was used to being the boss at the age of 15, you know, like how is she gonna be working for someone after that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and now, you know, congratulations to the fact that like you went on your own thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now you're doing your own thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got my hats off to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let me let me ask you, because you mentioned something, you said I have this, this, and this.
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  SPEAKER_02: And one of the things you mentioned was Spanish.
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  SPEAKER_02: She speaks Spanish.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so uh talk to our audience about, you know, because a lot of our audience also speaks Spanish.
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  SPEAKER_02: Some of our audience may have grown up in a in a household where the parents are spoke Spanish themselves, but now don't speak in the household, so they don't really speak Spanish.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, and I'm always, and and David has his little line that I'll allow him to say once I'm done, but I'm like, my Spanish is my second language, uh, but I have super committed myself to making it super high-level professional just because I think it's like the most important thing in the market today, given the evolving demographics.
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  SPEAKER_02: What is it that you always say?
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh so lately, you know, like this year, I had the opportunity to teach uh oral advocacy at the University of San Diego School of Law and California Western School of Law.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one of the classes was actually Spanish for lawyers.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what I did is I actually took them like how Spanish worked for me and my career from intake to trial, how you actually represent your client and how you represent him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, for example, at a deposition, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: When you have an interpreter, and you know, like maybe the interpreter screws up.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there are people too, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So ultimately, what I say is that, especially in our region, we were talking about this, like North Carolina, like you're like unique.
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  SPEAKER_01: In San Diego, you know, you gotta speak Spanish.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I tell people, and you know, a little bit with the help of Claude, but I say that Spanish in San Diego is not really a skill, it's almost an obligation, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and uh I I really, really believe that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for example, those two schools in San Diego are doing great things where they bring like Latin American attorneys, uh, and then you basically train them, train them on oral advocacy because they wanna they want to get that uh trial work, oral advocacy back to their country.
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  SPEAKER_01: But definitely Spanish.
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  SPEAKER_01: But tell us a little bit, like we were talking about this, like how unique is it, like you and North Carolina speaking Spanish?
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  SPEAKER_01: How has that helped your business?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's very, it's very unique.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's why, you know, I mentioned that's why I stay in North Carolina, because there is a need for it, especially in the legal field where I live.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm probably one of the very few that do speak Spanish.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know one other person that speaks Spanish that's in the legal field.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, so it's really important, and it does give people just that comfort of knowing that they they're gonna understand something, a process that's so scary, you know, scary to anyone.
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  SPEAKER_02: You say like one of two in the legal field, but what about just, you know, out there, you know, in the community?
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  SPEAKER_02: I imagine, like, because I'm here, I came to DC.
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  SPEAKER_02: Every every person I've met virtually that works here or that has served us um is uh a Spanish speaker.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so, like, and I know that in North Carolina, among other places, like the demographics are changing pretty radically.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, what do you see there?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's still it's a really small town.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a really small town.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again, it's I mean, like the the taquería was in in North Carolina.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, who would come in there?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, like how many white people, how many Hispanic speakers, how many more American than Hispanic, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, and that's why a lot of the Hispanic community does know me, you know, because it's such a small community there, you know, that everyone knew me, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Who are your cooks?
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  SPEAKER_00: My mom.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, the mom was in the back, like the old days.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my mom would be there from 6 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_00: to 10 p.m.
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  SPEAKER_00: at night.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is she making tortillas back there?
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  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you buy those.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It sends you a little bit of time.
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  SPEAKER_02: That takes a lot of work, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: You you've got to, you know, streamline your process, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: She had the operational person.
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  SPEAKER_02: The operational person says, Mom, we can't make the tortillas here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Question, what was the best taco there though?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh se llama is taco loco.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my gosh, I wish I could tell you because I don't jalape.
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  SPEAKER_00: It had a bunch of different meats in it.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, no, guacamole.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just different meats in it, jalapeno, chipotle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, taco loco.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, taco loco.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's like a creative one, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Would you throw French fries in there?
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  SPEAKER_02: No, because like the California burrito.
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  SPEAKER_00: It took us a while to go into the French fry, putting them in the burrito.
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  SPEAKER_00: She refused to do it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Once you did that, man, the the white drunk is, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: People get crazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the sour cream.
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  SPEAKER_00: We called it the California burrito.
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  SPEAKER_00: California burrito.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: They go crazy.
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  SPEAKER_02: So talk to us.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're here at the uh Hispanic National Bar Association.
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  SPEAKER_02: Talk to us about the impact this group has had upon you and why you're a member.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's had an amazing impact on me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so again, being in North Carolina, my networking there is very limited, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: So coming to this conference has really helped me expand my network and build these relationships.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so being here is actually last year is what sparked the idea of going off and doing freelance paralegal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he's actually here, Jose.
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  SPEAKER_00: He saw him earlier.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but he's the one that was like, well, why don't you go off on your own?
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  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know?
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's off to Jose.
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  SPEAKER_02: We met so many people on the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: They got this job or this introduction or this opportunity.
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  SPEAKER_02: Here we have like a new idea that came from this conference.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Question Will you be in Puerto Rico next year?
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  SPEAKER_00: I will.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Zero HP.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're I feel like everyone's ready for that conference.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: I will be there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And tell me this like, how did you learn like about the conference and HMBA?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I know this is your second year here, but how do you learn about it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, through a Bad Bunny group chat that I found online.
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  SPEAKER_02: But that's why I said she don't care about each other.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's how I found out about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow, that's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's a good way.
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  SPEAKER_01: How did it come up?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like people were talking about the conference, or no, I think people just started talking about what they do, where they live.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, a lot most of the people lived in Texas area.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I was the only one that was out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, there was a few of us on the East Coast, but, anyways, um, one of the guys said he was an attorney and then reached out to me and told me about the HMBA.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then here you are.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was, I think, like two weeks before the conference.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's like, sign up for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow, amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: She's uh she's a person that jumps off the diving board, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: She knows.
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  SPEAKER_02: She's not a hesitation person.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, but you can't grow, you know, you don't just take a leap and fail a little, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was the same thing with a podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I was telling, you want to jump on a podcast?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'll do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she showed up bright and early at 10 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_01: She was here, ready to go.
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  SPEAKER_02: She was all about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So um, as we kind of come to the end of our time together, like we we have a lot of uh listeners that derive um, I think, um, encouragement and vision from our guests that have worked through some struggle.
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  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever worked through a struggle to get to where you are today?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's one that you're comfortable sharing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't want to say everything, but it's definitely been a struggle being a first-generation um Latina to go to school.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's been a big struggle, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I joined the military first before going to college.
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  SPEAKER_00: I switched schools so many times.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, at least five times, you know, not knowing what I wanted to do, had no actual path.
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  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't until I started working at the law firm that I finally, you know, figured out a path.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I found a mentor that helped me, you know, lock in a plan.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's definitely been a struggle to navigate the the school system, you know, not knowing what I'm doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's definitely been hard, especially now applying to law school because it's affected my GPA.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's it's impacted, you know, just what my application looks like compared to someone who went to school, finished with, you know, one school.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it that's that's been the biggest struggle is navigating school as a first generation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh like Jackie's a future like energetic lawyer, you know, like she's like.
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  SPEAKER_00: One day, yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe one day I'll come back as a lot of people.
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  SPEAKER_01: All schools in the plants, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like spoke about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good, good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so um, you know, and you say, hey, you know, I don't have the greatest grades or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: I often tell, like, we talk to a lot of kids applying to schools, and I I went to Yale, so it's it's a little hypocritical of me to say, but um, I don't think, you know, maybe if I don't say it on a podcast, nobody knows where I went to law school.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: Other than I I do it in some advertising, it just doesn't matter.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: I bite about it a little bit.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the the skill sets are ability to connect, ability to be a leader, ability, you know, to uh organize.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: So wherever you go to law school, you'll be successful as a lawyer because you have all those human personal skills, which are way more important than the ability to look at a law school text and recite things.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: Don't you think?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: I I I agree with that.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, us as a lawyer, unless you're gonna want to go to like big law or whatever, we were just talking to Adrian, like our our guest this morning, and he was saying, like, if you're working for like in-house or maybe like you know, ACC, maybe, maybe for anything else, like especially small lawyers.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like one of the things, and some of the lawyers that I know came from like, you know, some regular law school, but their people's skills and their ability to connect.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because you know, we we talk to the jury, yeah, right.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: So you gotta be able to connect, you gotta be able to convey your message.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think like you know, interpersonal skills, communication skills, I think that's what gets you like the longest way.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're here, it's a conference where you talk to people, yes, you meet people and when you connect people.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: So amen.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Just get that law degree, yeah, pass the bar, and then you can do like wonders.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_02: All right, so now um, if you could write anything in the sky for all the world to see forever, what would your message be?
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay to fail.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's okay to fail.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just uh fall down seven times, just keep getting up.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only way you grow.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for spending time with us.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: It was a pleasure.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: If people want to look you up or find you, how can they do that?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh maybe.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I have my LinkedIn account, so that's the best way.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: So Jackie Winfrey.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: All right, we'll check you out on your LinkedIn account.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thanks.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: And so um that that concludes this episode of the Latino Podcast.
• 17:14
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