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Introducing Hayley Caronia (Ep.152) · V

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  Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to Bongino Report Early Edition for
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  Speaker 1: a really special episode because I am joined by Haley
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  Speaker 1: who has a new show starting here at the Bongino
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  Speaker 1: Network called the Nightly Scroll.
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  Speaker 2: 6 p.m. Eastern Time?
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  Speaker 3: 6 p.m.
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  Speaker 4: Eastern Time, correct.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a huge, this show, you guys, it's
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  Speaker 1: a huge deal because it's not just.
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  Speaker 2: introducing Haley to.
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  Speaker 1: You guys and also to myself. Haley and I are
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  Speaker 1: just getting to know each other as well. But also
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  Speaker 1: it's the first time that we have ever been inside
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  Speaker 1: the new studio, the long-awaited, years-long-in-the-process studio.
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  Speaker 2: And I was just telling Michael.
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  Speaker 1: About this, Haley, but it's actually kind of sad because
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  Speaker 1: Dan has been waiting for the studio to open.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 2: For so long.
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  Speaker 1: And now he's accepted this role at the FBI and
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  Speaker 1: he's going to have, what, use it for like a week?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: A week, and then he has to wait four years
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  Speaker 4: to come back. But, yeah, I mean, the studio guys,
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  Speaker 4: I know you can't see the whole thing. It is
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  Speaker 4: so incredible. Like, they thought of everything, and it just
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  Speaker 4: goes to show that after four years, there is the
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  Speaker 4: best is yet to come. There's a lot here at Silverlock,
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  Speaker 4: so it's exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, at Silverlock.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's our new name here, Silverlock. Haley,
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  Speaker 1: I think what I want to know, I think what
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  Speaker 1: the audience wants to know is how did you get
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  Speaker 1: to know Dan? How did this become a thing? I
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  Speaker 1: know Dan saw a few of my Fox Hits. Dan
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  Speaker 1: was at my wedding. He's a family friend, but what
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  Speaker 1: is your connection to Dan Bongino and how did he
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  Speaker 1: find you as a talent and just give you the
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  Speaker 1: incredible opportunity and show that you are about to launch?
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  Speaker 4: I got to know Dan when I was working as
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  Speaker 4: a booker and an associate producer on Hannity.
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  Speaker 3: So I would talk to all the guests, you know,
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  Speaker 3: every day.
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  Speaker 4: And if you remember watching Dan, he was on Hannity
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  Speaker 4: almost every night. So it started off, you know, Tuesdays
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  Speaker 4: and Thursday nights when he would fight with Geraldo and
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  Speaker 4: everyone loved the back and forth.
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  Speaker 3: It was super fiery.
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  Speaker 4: And then it was so good that we would bring
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  Speaker 4: him back and we would bring him back and we
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  Speaker 4: would bring him back. So it ended up where I
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  Speaker 4: was talking to him every Tuesday and Thursday. And then
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  Speaker 4: it ended up being like, It was a Monday night.
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  Speaker 4: Can you see if Dan's available? And then it was,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it was all nights of the week. So,
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  Speaker 4: and then Dan started guest hosting for Sean. So Dan
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  Speaker 4: came into the studio in New York. And then when
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  Speaker 4: he was guest hosting for Sean, we got to know
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  Speaker 4: him and he's just so wonderful. And even after I
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  Speaker 4: left Hannity, I went to Newsmax for a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: I would always call Dan because he was such a
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  Speaker 4: good mentor and.
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  Speaker 3: Such a good friend. He has the best advice.
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  Speaker 4: So like any job offer that I got or anything,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm calling Dan.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, is this the right move for me? What
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  Speaker 3: should I do? So then I was working. I was
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  Speaker 3: at Newsmax.
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  Speaker 4: I came back to Fox News Digital. I was working
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  Speaker 4: at Outkick. And I had a little show there called
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  Speaker 4: Screen Time. And I would post clips of it on Instagram.
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  Speaker 4: Dan saw those and was like, you've got to come
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  Speaker 4: over to Silverlock before it was Bontina Report.
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  Speaker 3: But I was like, yeah, let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's amazing. You guys go way back.
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  Speaker 1: And I love that you pointed out that you called
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  Speaker 1: Dan for advice. That was not the relationship that I
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  Speaker 1: initially had with him, but it is the relationship that
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  Speaker 1: I have now. Dan is truly a mentor. Like Dan
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  Speaker 1: is somebody that you can go to. for life advice.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's something that I'm going to really miss
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  Speaker 1: with him leaving. And I feel bad for you because
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  Speaker 1: you're starting out here and he's leaving.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, bye.
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  Speaker 4: Hi, bye.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it'll be cool.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's sad because we're going to miss seeing
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  Speaker 4: Dan in this capacity. But at the same time, what
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  Speaker 4: he has at the FBI is so much more important. Well,
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  Speaker 4: it's important in a different way. I don't want to
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  Speaker 4: say it's more important, but It's definitely the stakes are
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  Speaker 4: really high in this country and we've got to hold
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  Speaker 4: these bad guys accountable. And I can't think of a
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  Speaker 4: better person than Dan Bongino to go fight for us.
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  Speaker 3: So it's sad. You know, he's fighting for us in
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  Speaker 3: a different way.
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  Speaker 4: He's not going to be in the media as much
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  Speaker 4: and he's not going to be his like fiery, you know,
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  Speaker 4: politicized self, which we know and love.
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  Speaker 3: But I think, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, the decision was the right one for him and
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  Speaker 4: for all of us, really.
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  Speaker 1: Well, his decision to leave is really, a testament to
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  Speaker 1: how mission-driven he is. This is somebody who cares deeply
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  Speaker 1: about this country and is willing to walk away from
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  Speaker 1: a very lucrative media empire that he's building here to say,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to take a break. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to serve my country, which he's done many times before.
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  Speaker 1: And on that point, Haley, what is it that drives you?
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  Speaker 1: You're in media now. You're going to have your own show.
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  Speaker 1: What can people expect from you as a person? What
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  Speaker 1: drives you as a person to want to be a
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  Speaker 1: part of the space, which like you pointed out yourself
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  Speaker 1: is very movement driven.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I worked in cable news for a long time and
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  Speaker 4: I always saw gaps in the market. And just as
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  Speaker 4: a young conservative, I felt like I wasn't being served.
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  Speaker 4: I would even produce the shows that I felt were
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  Speaker 4: so targeted towards people older than us and different generations.
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  Speaker 4: And I thought, gosh, like there really needs to be
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  Speaker 4: a show that's for young people. There needs to be
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  Speaker 4: a show that's just different. It's people are so stuck
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  Speaker 4: in like the linear TV mindset. And now, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Dan says it all the time, but we're the media now.
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  Speaker 4: And I think, you know, I spend the majority of
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  Speaker 4: my time on social media.
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  Speaker 3: It's like so sick.
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  Speaker 4: But before this job, I was producing for a lot
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  Speaker 4: of other talent. So some of your favorite shows in
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  Speaker 4: conservative media, like I've been behind them. And some of
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  Speaker 4: your favorite talent. Well, I was working for Tommy Lahren.
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  Speaker 4: I was working for Clay Travis at Outkick. Sean Hannity,
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  Speaker 4: of course. I worked for Sean Spicer at Newsmax. So
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  Speaker 4: all these people are so wonderful. And to be informed,
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  Speaker 4: to produce all of these shows, like I have to
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  Speaker 4: be on my phone all the time and on top
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  Speaker 4: of all the news and, you know, without kick, it
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  Speaker 4: was sports and politics and pop culture.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a little bit of everything.
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  Speaker 4: I had to have my toe dipped into like a
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  Speaker 4: lot of different pools of information. So, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: was on my phone all the time and I kept
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  Speaker 4: joking with my coworkers, like, My screen time is so high.
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  Speaker 3: It's astronomical.
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  Speaker 4: It's like so disgusting. Like some days it was like
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  Speaker 4: 16 hours. And, you know, for the average person listening,
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  Speaker 4: you could probably go check your phone. It'll be somewhere
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  Speaker 4: in like the four to five hour range if you're
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  Speaker 4: on your phone a lot. So just imagine how often
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  Speaker 4: I'm on my phone.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's really gross, but I'm not just sitting
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  Speaker 3: there scrolling through, you know, dumb stuff. Like I'm working, right? So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, producing for all these people, it is a
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  Speaker 3: lot of work.
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  Speaker 4: But I do find a lot of joy in the
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  Speaker 4: dumb social media stuff. So as much as I am
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  Speaker 4: going to cover the breaking news and all the stuff
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  Speaker 4: that we need to get to, the important stuff, I
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  Speaker 4: do want to dive into some of the culture stories
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  Speaker 4: and social media commentary.
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  Speaker 3: There's just like a treasure trove of stuff to react to.
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  Speaker 1: Well, politics is downstream of culture.
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  Speaker 2: And there are so many... little stories that.
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  Speaker 1: People that I really respect in conservative media, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I worked for the Federalists and I wrote for them
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  Speaker 1: for a long time since I was in college, and
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  Speaker 1: they were covering the breaking news, the important news, what
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  Speaker 1: was happening in D.C., and that's great, but some of
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  Speaker 1: the social media trends and the things that are happening
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  Speaker 1: online that maybe established, important journalists might not pay attention to,
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  Speaker 1: are actually really indicative of what's happening in the culture.
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  Speaker 1: They're actually telling us who we are as a people
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  Speaker 1: in a much more real and deeper sense than what
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  Speaker 1: you're seeing as a bill being passed in the House.
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  Speaker 2: To the Senate.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that that's what Bongino viewers can expect
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  Speaker 1: from you, Haley, is you might not get the same
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  Speaker 1: kind of damn Bongino, just like straight news, hardcore commentary.
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  Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that it's not really valuable.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And it's, you know, when you watch, you know, a
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  Speaker 4: Dan Bongino or someone else on air and it's just
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  Speaker 4: their show, you get their take. But I'm more interested.
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  Speaker 4: I'll give you my take as well. Obviously, that's the
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  Speaker 4: whole point. And I have got plenty of opinions. But
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  Speaker 4: I think it's interesting to see what other people are saying.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm always in the comment section. And I think
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  Speaker 4: it's interesting to see, like you were saying, you know.
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  Speaker 3: It's downstream of culture. where people are on the internet.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, what are Americans thinking? What are voters thinking?
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  Speaker 4: How are they reacting to these stories? Because it's one
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  Speaker 4: thing to hear these talking heads in the mainstream media
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  Speaker 4: talking about it, or even, you know, your favorite podcaster
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  Speaker 4: or creator, but what are just regular people thinking? I
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  Speaker 4: think that's so important too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And to have somebody just like on their phone
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  Speaker 1: and scrolling and being really plugged in, you know, so
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  Speaker 1: you guys all know if you're listening that my mom,
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  Speaker 1: she worked for, she works for Fox News, And she
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  Speaker 1: always said that the producers had the most grueling, grinding
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  Speaker 1: job there, especially if you're, for instance, doing a morning show.
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  Speaker 1: My mom is Fox and Friends on the weekend. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're up at all hours of the night and you're
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  Speaker 1: really plugged in. But it also means that you're looking
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  Speaker 1: for really engaging stories that you know are going to
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  Speaker 1: rate well, that you know that people care about. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what I think your background is going to be
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  Speaker 1: so valuable to the viewers at Silverlock.
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  Speaker 4: It was so funny too, because when I was working
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  Speaker 4: at Fox and when I was on Hannity, it was
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  Speaker 4: at night. And so our show was live at 9 p.m.
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  Speaker 4: Eastern time, but we kind of got into the office
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  Speaker 4: at like 1 p.m., 2 p.m., started building the show
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  Speaker 4: for the day. But to your point about the Fox
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  Speaker 4: and Friends and the crazy hours, it was kind of
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  Speaker 4: like internally competitive. Like we didn't care too much about
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  Speaker 4: the other networks because Fox was blowing them out of
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  Speaker 4: the water.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So we were kind of like internally competitive, like booking
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  Speaker 4: guests and stuff. And, you know, my boss would tell
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  Speaker 4: me if breaking news happens in the middle of the night,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the Fox and Friends bookers, they're working because
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  Speaker 4: they're up and they're in the office at 2 a.m.
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  Speaker 3: So you need to start working before them. And I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh my gosh. So we were truly working
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  Speaker 3: at all hours of the night.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that's where I kind of get this,
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  Speaker 4: you know, insane screen time on my phone. I'm so
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  Speaker 4: used to being able to like answer people right away
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  Speaker 4: and be up all night. I would have my phone
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  Speaker 4: on loud under my pillow. I'm probably going to get
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  Speaker 4: brain cancer or something, but I was so dialed in
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  Speaker 4: like at all hours of the day and we were
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  Speaker 4: just like ready to pounce whenever breaking news happened.
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  Speaker 3: So I think I'm just like still dialed into that,
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  Speaker 3: that mindset.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, to your point about the producers up all
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  Speaker 4: night and your mom, you know, it's like, you got
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  Speaker 4: crazy hours and even the people working at night, like
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  Speaker 4: we're trying to be on top of them.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know, you're just working all the time.
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  Speaker 2: But all the time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're going to make your own schedule now and
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  Speaker 1: hopefully it won't be as grueling, but you'll still get
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  Speaker 1: the great content. I think people also want to know,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to know like, what, where did you
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  Speaker 1: grow up?
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  Speaker 2: Like what, what was, what was your life like as a,
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  Speaker 2: as a child?
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  Speaker 1: Like, tell me, tell me a little bit about, about
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  Speaker 1: Haley and where you come from.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I grew up on Long Island, uh, probably like 20,
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  Speaker 4: 30 miles outside of New York city.
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  Speaker 3: Um, and I just had the best childhood. I was
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  Speaker 3: an only child.
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  Speaker 2: So that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: Extremely different from Vita grew up.
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  Speaker 3: Um, but yeah, like I, I absolutely loved it.
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  Speaker 4: And it was funny because I, I grew up in
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  Speaker 4: New York, very liberal, but where I was from, I
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  Speaker 4: feel like people tended to be more conservative where I
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  Speaker 4: grew up. It trended to be more red and, um,
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  Speaker 4: But it was interesting growing up.
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  Speaker 3: My parents, they always said that, you know, and this
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  Speaker 3: was in the 90s. So it was like, it's rude
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  Speaker 3: to talk about politics. It was always very taboo.
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  Speaker 2: Now we do it all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's our jobs, right? So it's so interesting.
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  Speaker 4: And I feel like it's changed so much where, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, don't ask about, you know, there's these like
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  Speaker 4: taboo topics like, politics, religion, don't ask people about money,
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  Speaker 4: don't ask people about this. And now we have these
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  Speaker 4: shows where these are topics that come up all the time.
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  Speaker 4: So it's very interesting. But yeah, very normal childhood. I
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  Speaker 4: grew up playing a ton of sports.
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  Speaker 3: So I love sports.
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  Speaker 4: And I was very creative. I did a lot of dance.
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  Speaker 4: I did figure skating competitively.
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  Speaker 2: I'm jealous.
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  Speaker 1: I wish I could figure skate. I try to put
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  Speaker 1: my head, my parents put me in multiple times And
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  Speaker 1: it just didn't work out.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's like too many kids to take different places.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's one of those sports where if you
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  Speaker 4: go to the Olympics, that's great.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't go to the Olympics, it's total waste.
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  Speaker 3: There's no like adult leagues. There's no whatever. So it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of like you get to a point.
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  Speaker 1: And when you go ice skating with friends and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm the boss at this.
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm graceful and gorgeous.
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  Speaker 3: You lose it very quickly.
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  Speaker 2: You do.
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  Speaker 4: I used to be able to do jumps and spins
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  Speaker 4: and stuff. And it's like, I wouldn't try that now.
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  Speaker 4: I'd break my face.
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  Speaker 2: Do you rollerblade?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, we're going to do that in Florida because
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  Speaker 2: we're in Florida now. There is no ice.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to take you rollerblading and try that out.
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  Speaker 3: And surfing, you said. We're going to try surfing.
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  Speaker 2: I can't surf.
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  Speaker 1: Just so the audience knows, I can't surf, but I
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  Speaker 1: do want to try it and figure it out. So
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  Speaker 1: I have a board, and we'll have to go together.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm a Wisconsin girl, so I'm not used to
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  Speaker 1: this kind of Florida weather, the ocean. We have lakes
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  Speaker 1: in Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So like wakeboarding and water skiing.
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  Speaker 1: But no surfing.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I've never surfed before.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I grew up, so we had the ocean,
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  Speaker 4: but I grew up on like the North shore. So
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  Speaker 4: we had the sound, there's like no waves at all. So, um,
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  Speaker 4: we honestly didn't even go to the beach that much
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  Speaker 4: cause we would go to the sound by us and
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  Speaker 4: it was just very calm. Um, yeah, no surfing there,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm down.
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  Speaker 3: To try anything.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think we want to actually get into some stories. So, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I'll just preface this, Haley. This is a little
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  Speaker 1: bit controversial right now because there's a little war going on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, actually, I wouldn't even say it's a war.
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  Speaker 1: I would say everybody's kind of in agreement that Andrew
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  Speaker 1: Tate needs to be canceled on the political right. And
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  Speaker 1: he just landed here in Florida, in Fort Lauderdale, today. Well,
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  Speaker 1: actually this week, so Monday, Tuesday. And he is still
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  Speaker 1: facing charges in Romania for trafficking women, sexually trafficking women,
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  Speaker 1: as well as his brother, Tristan Tate. And there are
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people on the political right who say,
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  Speaker 1: this guy needs to be not only taken out of
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  Speaker 1: the United States, but excommunicated from the conservative movement.
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  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm anti-cancel culture. So I think that people should
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: be able to have a platform. And these charges are
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: still ongoing. So he hasn't been charged with these crimes.
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: He's not guilty of these crimes that we know of
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: as of now. He's a dual citizen, United States and
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: the UK. So he's allowed to be here. So people
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: were saying he's not welcome in the United States.
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: It's like, well, He is. He's a citizen.
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: So he's absolutely allowed. And again, I think that everyone
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: should have a platform. I'm a free speech absolutist. I
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: think that it doesn't matter if you say things that
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: are controversial or not, you should have a platform. However,
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: I think there's a fine line with how much we
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: want to promote Andrew Tate as this figurehead in the
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: conservative movement, because I think he's a really bad example
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: for young men and women in the conservative movement. I
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: think Some of the things he says I agree with
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: because they're just conservative talking points that I think a
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: lot of people agree with. People describe it as toxic masculinity,
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: which whatever I think is a joke.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: I think masculinity is great.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: However, there are some things that he says that are
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: concerning to me when he talks about women. He talks
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: about women in like they're a commodity. They're something to
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: be had. And even when he talks about marriage, he
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: talks about like, yeah, but you know, I control the
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: money and I can just like cut you off whenever
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: I want and I can have as many women as
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: I want. And I think that the majority of Christians
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: and conservatives would agree that that's not what marriage should
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: be like.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, he.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: Doesn't think that females, he calls them females, females shouldn't
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: think for themselves and all this stuff. I obviously don't
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: agree with that. Obviously, we're women who think for ourselves, right?
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: And we're conservative. So I think there's a fine line.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: Some of the things he says I think are great.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: I think he should have a platform to say these things.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: He should not be canceled. But is he going to
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: be like the next conservative figurehead that we all look to?
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, let's play a video of what people were
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: initially attracted to when it comes to Andrew Tate. I
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: think that he's somebody that is tapping into definitely the
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: way that men have been sidelined in society, the idea
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: that masculinity is toxic, and he's sort of speaking to
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: these disaffected young men, and at the same time, there
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: is real forces in this country and in the world
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: that are promoting things like the Great Reset, and you'll
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: eat bugs, and you'll all be renters, and World Economic Forum-esque,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: and so he taps into this fear and this hatred.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Of what he calls.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Like the establishment or the matrix.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: So let's play his take on COVID.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: I think that if you wear a mask, it's for
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: one of two reasons. You're scared of Corona, which is
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: pathetic because there's bacteria everywhere. There's germs everywhere. There's no
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: way to live your life. You get sick, you get sick.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: That's unfortunate. That's how the world works. Being scared of
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: Corona is pathetic. Option two, you're not scared of Corona.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: You're scared of the government. So it's option one, you're
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: a coward, you're just scared of corona, or option two,
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: you're not scared of corona, you just comply, knowing it's stupid,
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: making you a coward. You're either an idiot or a coward.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: Every time you put a mask on, you can choose
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: which one you wanna be, but you're an idiot or
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: a coward.
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: You wear your mask.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: If you're so worried about my mask, why are you
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: screaming in my face? You're not scared of corona. You're
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: scared of the fact that you comply. You've sacrificed your
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: honor as an individual, and I haven't. And I annoy
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: you by existing because I show that I have bravery
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: and balls. This corona thing was the first time an
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: absolute coward got to feel powerful. I feel like a
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: real man because I put three masks on and a
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: face mask. I'm a good person. Before that, to be
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: a real man, you had to be a firefighter or
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: go join the army. If you wanted some honor, you
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: had to risk your life. Now, if you want honor,
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: you have to be the biggest cuck in the world.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, I did tell Michael to.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: to take out the little, the little, the little expletive
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: at the end, but he didn't do that.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Mikey, that's okay.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: You guys, I and Haley, I think that that message
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: is so strong.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Like I, I loved it.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: And I do feel like any sort of man who
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: is told wear a mask and, and.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: He just like puts it on.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, I think sheeple, I think beta male. It's
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: deeply unattractive to me. And there's something really attractive about
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: a man who's like civil disobedience. Like I'm not putting
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: on this mask. The study show doesn't do anything for you.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Like I'm very attracted to that sentiment, which I think
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: is like just totally lost in our culture and seems
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: to be just trampled on even by some conservatives. And
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, Haley, about him not having
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: traditional values, like certainly he doesn't. I mean, the guy
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: has admitted to being essentially an online pimp and creating
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: these cam girl websites where he's exploiting women and the
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: trafficking allegations haven't been proven yet, but we definitely know
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: that he was involved in cam girls and he has
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: a history of, I think not supporting traditional marriage. The
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: guy has like multiple girlfriends and children with many different women.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm like, I kind of
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: see his cultural utility.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: In that sense.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Do you understand what I'm saying?
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is what I was saying before. Like,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: you know, a broken clock is right twice a day. Right.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: And, you know, this is Andrew Tate who's wildly controversial.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: And here's him saying stuff about COVID that's like, yeah,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: we all agree with this. This was COVID was a scam.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: It was a scam and it radicalized me. I think
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: even for other conservatives or even people who weren't politically
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: inclined before, they weren't paying attention, people really figured out
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: who their local leaders were during COVID.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: They figured out who their governors were.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: I think COVID kind of like catapulted people into the
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: world of politics So it does make sense that a
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: clip like this would have gone viral then. And then
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: there's all these young men who are seeing this like, yes,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I agree with this.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: It is stupid because it was stupid.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and there's something to be said about, and
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I think he was saying these things, but it was
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: not like not today where it was like totally a copacetic.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: It was like kind of controversial.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: One of the first to say it.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: And there's something about that, that I think. is really positive,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to take a sledgehammer to the speech policers, to take
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: a sledgehammer to the people who are trying to dictate
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: what we say and what we think. And you need
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: people to push those boundaries a little bit. I'll say,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: for example, that's what President Trump did. That's what he's
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: done with cancel culture. This is a guy who has
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: just every single code, every single norm, he's destroyed it.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: And he's an imperfect vessel in many ways. a beacon
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: of traditional marriage. He's had many different wives and divorces
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and locker room talk, and yet he has been a
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: really positive cultural impact. And I would also say that
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: perhaps some of the people that are criticizing him, like
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro or even Ron DeSantis, it's.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Like, are you guys driving culture? Do you know what
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? But Haley, you might disagree with me, and
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe he is a net negative.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I tend to view him as a net positive, though,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: for that reason.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think there is absolutely a positive,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: and there is an upside to it as well.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I think he has.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Beef with Ben Shapiro because Ben Shapiro has said negative
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: things about him and vice versa, and same with Ron DeSantis.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, is this more of a personal beef?
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: I think Ron DeSantis had to come out against him
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Andrew Tate, because of like human trafficking is a big
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: problem in South Florida. And, you know, if you go
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: to the airport and stuff, there's like all these PSAs
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: about human trafficking and stuff like that. So I feel
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: like maybe because of that reason, he was like, I'm
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: going to take a stand, a stronger stance against Andrew
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Tate because it would be a bad look for the
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Florida governor to, you know, promote him. But then again,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: like the Tampa Bay Young Republicans invited Andrew Tate to
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: speak for them. So it's interesting to see the trajectory
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: of Andrew Tate. Like he was, you know, dropping truth
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: bombs during COVID and, you know, that got him a,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: you know, major popularity. And then he's gone more into
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: like this culture thing where, you know, he's, he's not traditional,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: like we were saying, but that's to your point, it's okay.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: We have a lot of other.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: People in the conservative movement who aren't traditional and, and
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: that's okay.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: There's, there's a big tent, right?
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I like your point about South Florida because I mean,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: this is a state, this is a state that allowed
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein to get off the hook for a very.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Very long time.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And now they're going to potentially come after Andrew Tate
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: over allegations in a foreign country that haven't yet been proven.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: And Romania, I might add, is a very corrupt country.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: So I take pause.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: And at the same time, I'm a Christian.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm somebody who thinks that Andrew Tate's view of
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: marriage and women and family is just completely disordered and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: antithetical to traditional I mean, I'm somebody who goes to Latin.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Mass, right?
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Like I'm like hardcore. So I really, I understand the criticisms.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: And in fact, I think I share in a lot
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: of them, but I can also recognize his utility.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Like he's the red pill that you swallow.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: And maybe he's a gateway to something better, but he's
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: not the end point. That's not what we want the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: end point to be, but he can be useful.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Well, Haley, I like that.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: You brought up COVID because I do think that that
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: has been really radicalizing for a lot of young people,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: myself included.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: What was it like for you? You were in Nashville
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: at the time.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I was in New York at the time.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: So it was crazy.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: This is what I mean when I say COVID radicalized me.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: So I was working at Fox at the time and, uh,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: you know, they kind of pared.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Down the staff.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Like we had smaller teams going in and I was
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: the lucky one that was like, I had to go
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: into the.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Office every day.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: So, um, you know, Fox would get us cars to
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: and from, um, the office. And cause we couldn't take
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: the subway. It was like wildly dangerous during COVID. There
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: was no cops. This was during like defund the police.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: There's no cops anywhere on the subway. So it was
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: just a bunch of homeless people and like crime happening,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: which is like kind of normal, like par for the
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: course for, for New York. But certainly during COVID it was,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: it was heightened for sure. And the homelessness crisis exploded
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: during COVID. So it was not safe down there. So
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: we would take cars. And at one point we were going,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I'm not even joking, like 60 miles an hour, like
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: straight through Times Square. And if you've ever been to
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Times Square, it's normally packed with people.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: You can't just drive.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: 60 miles an hour through Times Square, but there was
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: not one person on the road. I mean, it genuinely...
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: I should have taken more pictures and videos, but you
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: didn't think that.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: It was so weird. I was blinded by what was
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: going on. We were in a daze. Life did not
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: even feel real. It was like the movie I Am Legend.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Did you ever see that.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: With Will Smith?
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: No, I haven't seen that. It's kind of post-apocalyptic. And
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of like COVID because there's this
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: like contagion that turns people into zombies.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: So it's like it very and it takes place in
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: New York City, I think.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, it was very weird to live through that.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: And it felt like you were living through a movie
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: and it was a really bad movie. And yeah, I mean,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: my gyms were closed. I did not want to get vaccinated,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: so I didn't.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Which is hard to do in New York.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And they said, you know, you won't be able
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: to go to bars, restaurants, you won't be able to.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: So I was forced to eat outside of restaurants for
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: a while. Everyone was. But then at a certain point
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: when the vaccine started rolling out, it was like, oh,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: if you got vaccinated, you're one of the lucky ones
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: who can eat inside. This all happened during the winter,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: by the way. So there were times where I had
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: like my coat on, I'm eating outside.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: It's so stupid. And it's like, we're probably.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: All passing each other COVID anyway, because like, You know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: if you're eating dinner with someone, it doesn't matter if
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: you're inside or outside or whatever.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're going to get sick, you're going
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: to get sick. So it was just so dumb. And yeah,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: like my gym was closed.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: And I remember once the gyms opened, you had to
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: be vaccinated. So I had a fake vaccine card so
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: that I could go live my life and go to
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: the gym and go to the bars and restaurants and
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: stuff and whatever.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: It ended up being fine.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: But even when I was vaccinated and I went to
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: the gym, they're like, oh, well, you have to wear
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: your mask on the treadmill. I mean, it's just like
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: the dumb stuff, like it just kept coming. And I'm like,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: when is this going to end? I mean, it really
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: felt so crazy. And, you know, at one point, this
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: was like years later and they lifted the vaccine mandate.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: And it's like, thank God I waited. Seriously, I thank
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: God every day that I did not take that.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Me too. Well, it never crossed my mind. I was
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: never going to take it. But yeah, I had a very.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Similar dystopian experience at UChicago. I almost got expelled for
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: not taking the vaccine. My ID card was shut off.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I couldn't go to the gym. We could go to
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the gym.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: We had to have the masks on, on the treadmill,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: which again, like, If you've been doing cardio with a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: mask over your face, like that is a very bizarre
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and difficult thing to do.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Think of all the bacteria, by the way, on the
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: masks and you're like sweating on the mask and breathing
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: into the mask.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: It's gross.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Bad for your skin. Bad for everything. And yeah, it
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: was awful.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I had a friend who actually did get expelled for
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: refusing to the booster after she had initially taken the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: vaccine and was vaccine injured.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: And this was verified by Pfizer.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: So, and her school said still, you can't come back.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: So there's just so many stories like this. I had
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: a classmate who was profoundly deaf and couldn't read lips
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: in class because of the masks.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: And they wouldn't make an.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Exception that in this classroom, you know, we'll just socially distance,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: but everybody has to take their masks off.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: And so he was really inhibited.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: So I think that COVID was a really radicalizing thing
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: for a lot of young people.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I think BLM was too.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I, Michael and I were in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I've talked about it a little bit on my show,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: seeing like on the ground, what was happening. Have you
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: had any experiences like that when you were in New York?
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Like what was it like during that time?
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, it was pretty scary. It, I had friends.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: So most of my friends during COVID, they were able
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: to work from home. And so they kind of left
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: and then there were probably like three months where I
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: didn't live with my roommate. My roommate went home and
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: she lived with her parents and was working from home.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I had to go into the office every day, so
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I couldn't leave.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: But it was me and my one other friend who
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: was a COVID ICU nurse. I mean, she's not a
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: COVID nurse. She was a regular nurse and she just
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: got thrust into the whole COVID thing. And, you know,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: her car was broken into. And, you know, there was
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: one night where de Blasio had put through like put
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: forth a curfew. So no one could be on the
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: road past a certain time. So we were given these
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: passes that basically said, you know, I'm an essential employee,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: which is the dumbest.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Thing ever, but I was an essential employee.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: So I had to bring this card around that basically
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: if I was ever stopped by a police officer I
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: could show them this card and then I'd be allowed
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: to go to work or home yeah so a de
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Blasio put this curfew in place and it was you
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: know no one could be on the road past 10 p.m.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: But I worked past 10 p.m.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: So I You know, there was one night where I
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: was working at Fox and, you know, they had to
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: organize cars for us to go home. And a lot
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: of the drivers didn't want to be on the roads
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: because they didn't want to get in trouble with the government.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: They didn't want to get in trouble with, you know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: the police or what have you. So a lot of
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: the drivers weren't available. So I had to carpool with
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: people who worked on Tucker's show or Laura's show or whatever.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: So we were all kind of like carpooling to get
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: home because it was just a lack of drivers on
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: the road. So, um, one night I was carpooling with
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: people from Tucker's team and they, they waited an hour
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: for me. So then, you know, when I drove with them,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: we dropped them off first. I was the last stop
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: because they had waited for me for like an hour
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: after they were done working and whatever. So that was
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: with fair is fair. So we dropped them off and
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: they lived, you know, uptown and then going back downtown,
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: there was a police stop, like a checkpoint.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: And I said to the driver, it's okay.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Um, I just need to show them, you know, my
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: card and then you'll be able to drive me home.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: And he wasn't really like understanding what I was saying.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: And he was getting kind of spooked because the cops
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: kept like screaming, like, go this way, go this way.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: And so finally he takes off in the wrong direction.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: And like I lived all the way downtown and he
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: was like gunning it uptown and we were in Harlem.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: And this was during the BLM riots. So there's, you know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: flaming garbage on all sides of the street. And he said,
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: I'm not taking you back down there. And I said, OK,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: where are you taking me? And he said, well, I
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: don't know. You can get out here. I'm going home.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: And this was on like 125th Street in Harlem.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: My goodness.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: I couldn't take the subway back. It would not have
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: been safe for me to do that. I certainly couldn't walk.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: It was way too long. It would have taken me
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: like two hours to walk home. Um, so at that time,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: like my boss called me and she said, Hey, you've
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: been in the car for a while.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Are you okay?
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: And I was like, actually, actually, no, this guy's trying
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: to kidnap me.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Um, so anyway, we're going back down and she said, okay,
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: you know, we're explaining to the driver, like you have
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: to go back.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: We're going to talk to the cops. I need to
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: show him this piece of paper anyway.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: So we get back down to the police checkpoint, the
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: garbage on both sides of the street.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: It was so disgusting.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Like the flames were so big and it was so hot.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Like you could feel it from the car. It was like,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: we were really driving through an inferno.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: It was crazy.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: And you could feel it. Like my face was hot
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: and flush. Like it felt like getting a sunburn almost.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: And we were inside the car and he said, I
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: don't feel comfortable driving through this. And I said, we
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: have to get to the police officer or else like,
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: I like, this is the only option. So finally, you know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: we get to the police officer and it was fine.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it was very scary in New York City.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: And there were a lot of, and I'm sure you
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: saw this in Kenosha and also in Chicago, but there
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: were bad actors that I think took advantage of these
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: curfews and the rallies and all this stuff. I mean,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: people were throwing bricks through windows and people were boarding
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: up their windows saying, I'm women owned or I'm black owned,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: please don't burn my building down. And then they would
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: do it anyway. And it's like, it was never about COVID.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: It was never about social justice. It was like people
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: were stuck in the house bored during COVID for such
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: a long time. I think they took these opportunities to
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: just be instigators and to do harm to their communities.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: And it was like people were just bored with nothing
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: to do.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of us were silent at that time.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I was. Friends I knew were who saw how crazy, actually,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I was never that quiet.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: But initially I was, like right when George Floyd was killed,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: or I think he died, because nobody wanted to be
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: labeled a racist. And then during COVID, nobody wanted to
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: be labeled a grandma killer. And so there were these
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: names that you could be called that were really damaging
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: that made people stay silent. And that kind of bullying
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: into submission or bullying into silence was... really, I think,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: radicalizing for a lot of young people who might have
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: been compliant during that time in 2020, during that cursed year,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: and have now evolved really dramatically politically in a way
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: that I think many of us wouldn't have expected.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Gen Z men in.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Particular have shifted radically Rightward, I think Andrew Tate might.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Have been part of that, the manosphere. And that's also
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: kind of why I'm a little bit sympathetic to him.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Like I said, he's not perfect, but there's something to
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: be said about that.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: And so do you observe that?
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: You're a little more of like a zillennial than a
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Gen Z-er, but do you observe there being a vibe
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: shift among young people that a lot of people are
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: talking about and observing?
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's real?
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, 100%. 100%. We were joking earlier.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: I'm a millennial, but I am so embarrassed by millennials.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Millennial commitment issues?
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, like I.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Have generational commitment issues. Yeah, I'm more on the cusp,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: so I identify as Gen Z. I feel like I'm,
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't know. I just, millennials, like they're
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: so cringe. It's like the, but first.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: How old are you?
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: 30.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: 30, okay. Chat, you guys be the ones to decide.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Is 30 a Gen Z or a millennial? I'm 25,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and Michael says that I'm a millennial.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: So 30 is definitely... I think you're Gen Z.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I'm born in 99, so some people say the cutoff
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: is 97, and some people say the cutoff is 2000.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: And Michael likes to say it's 2000 because he was
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: born in 2000, so he likes.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: To make this a point about how I'm older than him.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: Everyone wants to identify as Gen Z.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Nobody wants to be a millennial. Well, let's talk about that.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: So why do you think people view millennials as so cringe?
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what it is. I think it's just.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know, actually. I don't know why.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I would say, I mean, I had a little millennial segment.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: We don't have time for it right now. We'll cover
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: it a different time, you guys. And this is no
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: hate to the millennials in the chat, because if you're
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: in this chat and you're a millennial, you're obviously a
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: cool millennial, because you're in the chat.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, of course.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: And I'm one of you secretly.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I just don't want to admit it. So don't be upset.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: But there is a large number of millennials who I
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: just think have been psyoped by the Obama years, that
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: there was this excitement in 08 that they just.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: can't shake, that they're just, they're stuck in.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: And it's the wokeism, it's the safe spaces, it's the
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: man buns and the beanies and the indie music and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the bad, you know, the Starbucks coffee and everything, and
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: then overpriced burger joints.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: That I just think are very cringe, and they're a
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: very stunted generation, and they are trapped in this Obama
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: era of that I think Trumpism and Gen Z is
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: finally shaking off, which is a really great thing for
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: all of us.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I'm really happy to see it. And it's kind of.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Creating some generational tension, I think, where somebody like you,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: technically a millennial, will say, I identify as Gen Z.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a lot of millennials, they graduated college
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: or high school, and the economy was in such a
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: poor place. where they felt so disaffected and so hopeless
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: and helpless and you know they're going into the job
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: market and they have these expensive degrees and they spent
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: all this money on the degrees and they can't get
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: a job and then they can't afford rent and they
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: can't afford so.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: A lot of these people like they live in their
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: basement and I.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Think it was because of Obama but I think they
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: they felt this attachment to the hope and change. The
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Democrats love to run on words like joy and happiness
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: and all this stuff. And I think when you're really
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: down bad, things like that can make you feel good about.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: A political party or movement.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: And to your point about Gen Z trending right, I
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: think the things that are right are cool again. I
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: think things that the left associates with, it's just like depression. And,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: you know, they're all on like SSRIs and they're all just.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Like totally overmedicated.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Like overmedicated and they have like dead end jobs and
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: they've got nothing going for them. Like it just seems
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: like very depressing generation. Whereas, you know, Gen Z, it's
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: like they're in college and COVID's over.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: It's sort of this like resurgence.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: And no one is embarrassed to be a Trump supporter anymore.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, in 2016, we definitely had that
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: silent majority where you know, people were Trump supporters like secretly,
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: but they wouldn't tell anyone. They didn't want to like
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: tell anyone at work and they didn't want to be
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: loud about it on social media.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: And now, I mean, eight years later, it is so different.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: It is, well, 10 years after, you know, 2015 and,
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: When he was running for the first time.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: It's cool to be controversial.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Now it's cool to be controversial and people are wearing
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: their MAGA hats out to the grocery store and people
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: are more likely to, you know, stick their finger up
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: to the Democrats who are triggered by them.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, you don't like it, Move on.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: And I see that especially with Gen Z men who
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: are very frustrated, I think, with just this oppressive culture.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I think it's a culture that's made for women.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Women are graduating at much higher rates than men are
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: these days. If a man is, a young boy is
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: a little too too outgoing in the classroom, a little
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: too loud while they put them on ADHD medication. Is
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: that really necessary? And so it's very stifling. And I
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: think that that is something that's being tapped into by
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: somebody like Andrew Tate, but also by President Trump. And
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: we are seeing not just a rejection of wokeism, but
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: something much more deep and beautiful in that young people
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: are going to church more often. Gen Z men, I
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: think for the first time in recorded history, are going
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: to church more than Gen Z women, which is really
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: interesting for us because we are young women. And I
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: think we are trending rightward, but at a much slower
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: rate than men to the point where now there is
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: a divide between young men and young women, where young
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: women tend to be very left wing. And it becomes
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: very difficult for us to date young men who are
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: on the complete opposite end of the political spectrum already.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: young people aren't dating or getting married, and these political
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: differences are just exacerbating the problem.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I used to say that I would date whoever.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: This was like, you know, when I was living in
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: New York City, I went on dates with liberal men
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: and stuff.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: You have to if you're in New York.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you have no choice.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Like, there really aren't that many conservative men.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: I did meet conservative men in New York, but they're
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: few and far between. And I dated a Bernie bro. in,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: this must have been 2015 or 2016. And when the
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Democrats ousted Bernie and put Hillary in there, he had
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: like a, I'm with her sticker.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: And I was like, ew, I got the egg so bad.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I was like, I can't do this.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: I was like, he was nice and everything, but I'm like,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: he's just not like a long-term partner. And it's interesting,
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: like now, I would not date a liberal man, like,
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: not even for fun, not even for one drink, not
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: even for dinner.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Like, I am not. Well, but I think a lot
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: of left-wing women feel that way, too, about conservative men.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Like, we've become such a polarized culture that, like, you
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: and I kind of agree with you, right? Like, I
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: don't think I would ever date a left-wing dude because, obviously,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: he doesn't share my values. And if young men and
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: young women are so politically divided, well, then that really.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: that really limits their options.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think it is less about politics, to
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: your point, and it's more about morals and values and
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: what you want for your family. And, you know, I
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: don't see liberal men as strong leaders. And when you
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: want to have a family, you want someone to lead
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: your household and you want someone to lean on and trust.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: And I don't find liberal men attractive. I don't find them,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: I don't find them to be suitable partners for long-term.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: So it's just interesting how it's shifted, but I think
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: it's less about politics.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Like I have friends who.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Are, you know, they vote, they voted for Kamala and
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: we disagree to disagree and they're still my friend.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I still love them.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: But I wouldn't date a man who voted for Kamala.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: So it's, it's interesting.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Like I'll have friends who are liberals, but I will
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: not date a man who's a liberal because That's not
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: someone who, you know, my friends, I'm not having children
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: with them. I'm not going to, you know, have, I'm
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: not going to be making like hard household decisions with them,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: but it's different.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Like dating, it becomes, the morals become much more important.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and to your point, I have a lot
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: of left-wing family members.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: My grandparents are Bernie bros.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Many of my, my aunts on my dad's side, he's
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: one of 11 and, lots of big families, are Democrats.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: My closest cousin voted for Kamala Harris.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: And you can have.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: These relationships with people who disagree with you politically. It
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: just depends on, I think, the person. And in my case,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: all these people come from Wisconsin. And Wisconsin is a
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: purple state. And there's just a lot more tolerance. And
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I think when you go to a place like New
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: York City, for instance, or Los Angeles, where my brother.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Lives, it becomes a lot less tolerant.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And I tend to think that right-wingers, while we might
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: not marry somebody who's left-wing, are much more open to
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: having conversations. And this is another reason why you're seeing
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: so many young people disaffect from the left, because we
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: just want people to talk.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Young people just want to have openness.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, something that I've seen that's so interesting. So, you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: there are.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Conservative influencers where they don't, they don't talk about politics
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: or anything.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: They just happen to be conservative.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: They would just happen to vote for Trump and they're
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: getting outed on social media as Trump supporters. And the
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: left is just like melting down over it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: And their followers, I've seen that too.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, well, like I can't vote for this person. They are,
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: I can't support this person. I can't watch their videos.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: They voted for Trump. And it's like, I look at
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: the person's page and you know, one of them, I
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: think it's Brooke Yancey. She's a, um, she's an influencer
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: and she just, she does like hair and makeup videos
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: and makeup videos.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: And it has nothing to do with politics.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, so you liked her hair and makeup
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: and her outfits before, but now she voted for Trump.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: So now does that make it ugly? Like, do you
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: not like it? Like, how can you not support it?
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: You supported it before.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: And then Kylie Perkins is like, she just went massively
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: viral because Trump supporters came out you know, she was
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: getting canceled because she's an influencer, like a, it's even
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: crazy that I'm saying this out loud that this exists.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: But she's like a cleaning influencer. Like she cleans her
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: house and people follow her.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I love cleaning influencers. Yeah.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And it's definitely motivating. And that's part of her shtick.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Like she really likes to motivate people to clean their
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: house and she'll talk to people very matter of fact,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: her entire brand is very pull yourself up by your
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: bootstraps kind of thing. Like you know, get up in
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: the morning. I don't care if you're depressed, open your blinds,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: make your bed. Um, you have to treat your house like,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: you know, it's your job. Like you wouldn't leave your
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: job a mess. So you're not going to go to
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: bed when there's dishes in the sink. Like you have
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: to treat it like it's closing shift, you know? So
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: her videos go viral. Then people find out that she
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: voted for Trump and, um, you know, people started like
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: mass unfollowing, oh, we're going to mass unfollow Kylie Perkins.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: And she had hundreds of thousands of followers and Trump
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: supporters caught wind of that and then started following her
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: because it's like, well, oh, she's like, she's got great
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: content and.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: She's a Trump supporter. Hell yes. Everyone's following her. And
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: she hit like 2 million followers the other day on TikTok.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: And it's just amazing.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: Like there's, there's like a, there's a good There's good
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: that comes out of cancel culture sometimes because the left
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: will try to cancel you and then the right comes
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: in and saves your career.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: So this actually happened to me. So I went to UChicago.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I got canceled for opposing socialism.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: The story doesn't matter.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: But mass hate, like death threats, like I had to
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: get law enforcement involved.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: It was really intense.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: And I wrote an op-ed about this canceling, about all
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: of my classmates and people who live down the hall
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: from me saying, you're ugly and you shouldn't be able
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: to vote and you don't deserve to.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Be on campus, like just awful, awful things.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: And I ended up writing an op-ed, putting my view
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: down and talking about how crazy this response has been. Well,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: my future boss at The Federalist read this article and offered.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Me an internship. So it was a great piece and
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: you should come work for us.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: And so that kind of sparked my career in journalism.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: This piece in my school paper was the first one
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I had ever written. So there is some good that
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: comes from cancel culture when you have the right defend
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: each other and say, yeah, we're not going to be,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: we're not going to participate in this. And in fact,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: we're going to help this person that you tried to destroy.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: And sometimes it can be uncomfortable to do that.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Like maybe you disagree slightly with the person who's being canceled.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: And this is actually, I'm just keep bringing up Andrew Tate.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: This is why I'm bringing up Andrew Tate because I
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: don't agree with like a lot of the things that
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: he says. And at the same time, I am going
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: to defend this man because I genuinely do see some
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: merit in his cultural output. And I don't think it's
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: right for conservatives who say that they care about concepts
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: like innocent until proven guilty to say a man who
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: is an American citizen shouldn't be allowed to come to
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: home soil just because of allegations unproven in a country
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: that's very corrupt. So I think it's really important to
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: be intellectually consistent and to oppose this cultural rot wherever
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: it shows up.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think conservatives are more true to principles. So
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: while we are pro-free speech and we're anti-cancel culture, I'm
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: pro-free speech for everyone. I don't care if you disagree
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: with me. I don't care if you're saying vile things.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: You have the right to that. You have the right
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: to do that. And with cancel culture, if someone on
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: the left is being canceled, I don't like it. If
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: someone on the right is being canceled, I don't like it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: And I think it goes back to your point earlier
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: about You know, the right is so much more lenient
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: and so much more open to be friends with people
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: on the left where.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: They are not. It just doesn't go the other way around.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: But I think it's because if you believe in free speech,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: you believe that for everyone. You believe in our principles
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: for everyone.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: And that's the key, I think, Haley, is it's not
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: just that we're pro-free speech.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: We are pro-free speech, and that's kind of the root
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: of it all.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: We don't have to be pro-evil things. We don't have
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: to permit things that are morally, I think, reprehensible or
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: supportive of it. It's that we are promoting things that
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: are rooted in the First Amendment and Whereas leftists will
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: actually just be completely morally relative. We don't have to
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: be morally relative. We can say you can have a
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: seat at the table and you can say what you want.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: And at the same time, we can stand up for
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: what's good and what's true and what's beautiful. And there's
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: a balancing act to that. And I think that that's
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: kind of what I try to do. I think it's
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: probably what you're going to try to do. Haley, tell
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: us just a little bit about what people can expect
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: on your show before we close this out.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely breaking news off the top.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go through news stories of the day that,
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: you know, piqued my interest. And I think we're the
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: Bongino army wants to hear truth, right? And stories that
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: the mainstream media won't cover. So I absolutely will do
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: that off the top. I'm excited to have some cool guests.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Like I'm already reaching out to some people, so I'm excited.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: I want to.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Tease some guests, but like I'm talking to a woman
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: who lives just outside of East Palestine, Ohio, and she's
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: on the Pennsylvania border, but she and a lot of
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: people in her inner circle have respiratory issues that kind
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: of stemmed from that train derailment, and they're still going
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: on today, which is crazy. I feel like the news
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: cycle moves so fast.
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: It does.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: It moves way too fast.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we forget about East Palestine, Ohio. We forget about Maui.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: We forget about, you know... California wildfires.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: It's like the next thing.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: Like the next thing happens, and then we just forget,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: and I don't want to forget. So I want to
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: bring back stories like that and make sure that we're
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: paying attention, because I know that the news cycle moves
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: really fast, especially on social media. I think social media...
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: drives that really fast news cycle. Like people, you know,
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: blue check marks on Twitter, they're just like replying to
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: everything and commenting on everything. And like a breaking news
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: story happens and people just feel like, oh, I need
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: to comment on this, whether they're right or wrong or
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: it's been verified or not. So I think there's definitely
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: a downside to it. But I definitely want to take
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: advantage of like the fast paced news cycle and social media,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: but also kind of like bring us back down to
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: earth and kind of remember what's important and bring some
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: stories that you probably won't hear everywhere else. And certainly
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: social media commentary and reaction, because I love the comment section.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: I love laughing.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: So I definitely want to have a lot of fun
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: towards the end of the show and audience engagement. So
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: I'll definitely be in the chat.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're going to strike a great balance.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: And I'm really excited to watch this show. And there's
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: a little preview. If you guys are watching this right now,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: there's a little preview to Haley's show that you can watch.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: And more is definitely to come. 6 p.m. Eastern time,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: five days a week. You have the early edition with me.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: You're going to have the nightly scroll with Haley. You're
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: going to have lots of new content coming from Silverlock,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: previously Bongino. And I'm really excited to see what you do, Haley.
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: And thanks for having me.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 52:11
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• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Check out Haley. Haley, what's your socials?
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: I'm at Haley Carania on all platforms. So X, Truth Social, Instagram, TikTok, everything.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: It's just my name.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you guys so much for tuning in. And
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I will see you all tomorrow.
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  Speaker 6: I think a lot of people are underestimating the Trump
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: effect in this midterm. You've heard it yourself. Act like
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: I'm on the ballot. Why is he saying that? You
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: think he doesn't know what he's doing? That is the
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: X factor. Folks, elections are a math issue. That is it.
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• 52:51
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