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Sharri | 22 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Shari.
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Speaker 2: Worky to the show, Steep Price filling in sitting in
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Speaker 2: the chief of Shari all this week on a day,
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Speaker 2: of course, when the forty eighth Parliament of Australia finally
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Speaker 2: got back to business after a ten week siesta following
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Speaker 2: that thumping labor win on May tenth. Watching some of
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Speaker 2: the messages of welcome back and paying tribute to re
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Speaker 2: elected Speaker Milton Dick did make me think that they
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Speaker 2: and I mean federal politicians, safe in their little camera
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Speaker 2: bubble on hefty salaries and generous superannuation schemes, paid for
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Speaker 2: travel and subsidized accommodation, they don't really get how tough
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Speaker 2: it is today for so many people in wider Australia.
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Speaker 2: Might've been too cynical, probably, but camera is not the
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Speaker 2: real world. On that, and coming up tonight on Sharhi,
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Speaker 2: the great twenty twenty five election swindle that was Medicare
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Speaker 2: and the promise by the Prime Minister that the only
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Speaker 2: card you'll need it your GP is your Medicare card,
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Speaker 2: not your credit card. Really more about that in just
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Speaker 2: a moment. Plus Australia and twenty other countries have signed
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Speaker 2: a joint statement calling for an immediate end to what
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Speaker 2: our government has called the inhumane killing of Palestinians in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: We'll get the view of former Israeli Ambassador Dave Shama
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Speaker 2: on that. And at the same time, Victoria's first Jewish Governor,
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Speaker 2: Linda Dessau, on a podcast with my old colleague Neil Mitchell,
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Speaker 2: has called out protesting hate speech and she wants action first.
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Speaker 2: Though tonight and I mentioned this the election medi Scare
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Speaker 2: campaign ten weeks ago that saw millions of Australians fall
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Speaker 2: for a stunt so blatantly false that we should all
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Speaker 2: now feel pretty stupid. At the start of that campaign
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Speaker 2: that saw Labor returned to government with a massive majority,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, almost on day one, and presumably acting
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Speaker 2: out some rehearsed campaign theme, pulled out his own little
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Speaker 2: green Medicare card and utter these words, all you should
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Speaker 2: need to see a doctor for free in Australia is
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Speaker 2: your Medicare card, not your credit card. Here he was
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Speaker 2: time and time again. Now, the first time I saw it,
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Speaker 2: I thought, here we go again, another election, another Medicare
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Speaker 2: scare campaign. Surely no one will fall for that a
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Speaker 2: second time. Well, how wrong was I I mean, anyone
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Speaker 2: who's been to the doctor in many places around Australia
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Speaker 2: know that finding a bog billing practice that doesn't have
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Speaker 2: a gap payment you make up yourself is about as
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Speaker 2: hard as the Prime Minister getting a meeting with Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: But there he was all over the country, Anthony Albaneze
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Speaker 2: promising this falsehood that only he can get you free
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Speaker 2: time with the GP. And he went further, suggesting another
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Speaker 2: lie that Peter Dutton, the Opposition leader, was planning to
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Speaker 2: quote cut bog billing off at the knees and that
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Speaker 2: a coalition government would quote dismantle media care. I mean
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Speaker 2: it was a discipline display of political bastardry and Albanizy
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Speaker 2: knew he was making stuff up, but clearly many naive
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Speaker 2: Australians actually wanted to believe this stuff and did well.
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Speaker 2: Fantasy always has a way of coming crashing back to earth.
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Speaker 2: The Australian Newspaper, on page one today called out the
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Speaker 2: reality of that political spin. They reveal that nearly twenty
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Speaker 2: five percent of doctors one in four clinics doctors clinics
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Speaker 2: will not take up the Medicare bulk billy incentive and
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Speaker 2: who says so, well, surprise, surprise, the Department of Health. Yes,
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Speaker 2: the bureaucrats who run the department have sent that assessment
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Speaker 2: to the Minister of Health Mark Butler. Now, if I
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Speaker 2: take you back to last February, three months before the election,
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Speaker 2: Labor announced it would spend eight point five billion dollars
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Speaker 2: of your money to deliver eighteen million, eighteen million more
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Speaker 2: GP visits a year. I mean, see how those figures
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Speaker 2: they just slide off the tongue. These people can say
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Speaker 2: anything they like to get elected, but can they deliver
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Speaker 2: once back in office. Well, the public servants are in
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Speaker 2: written on paper say it's not going to happen. The
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Speaker 2: devil was always in the detail. The funding was to
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Speaker 2: be spread over four years and aimed, remember that word,
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Speaker 2: aimed to deliver bulk billing rates of ninety percent by
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty. Well, that's after two more elections, So we
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Speaker 2: can keep this fantasy idea running through until then. I
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Speaker 2: presume these pesky public servants. By the way, we're also
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Speaker 2: telling some home truths, like how bulk billing services had
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Speaker 2: wait for it halved in the past three years, down
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Speaker 2: to twenty six percent of all clinics, so much for
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Speaker 2: the little green card. I'd suggest very clearly you don't
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Speaker 2: throw away that credit card just yet accident. Let's bring
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Speaker 2: in our first panel for tonight. I've delighted that former
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Speaker 2: Speaker of the House prom and Bishop is with us,
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Speaker 2: and former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes joins us as well.
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Speaker 2: You two can take turns bashing up the government here.
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Speaker 2: I'll start with you, Broman. How is it that we
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Speaker 2: can go through a full election campaign making stuff up
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Speaker 2: about Medicare, telling lies about medi Scare and what the
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Speaker 2: coalition would do, and we all know that it's not correct.
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Speaker 2: How can you just actually stand up there and do
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Speaker 2: that day after day?
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Speaker 3: Because the whole campaign by the Labor Party was based
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Speaker 3: on lies, all of it. I mean, Chalmers told us
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Speaker 3: that the budget was in great shape after the election.
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Speaker 3: It's not sustainable, but this Medicare thing, there was an
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Speaker 3: opportunity there for the opposition to do something about it.
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Speaker 3: And you know at that first debate that Sky conducted
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Speaker 3: when he headed up the card, petered it up and
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Speaker 3: said well, did you also have to use your credit card?
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Speaker 3: And the woman said yes, Well let me tell you
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Speaker 3: I just picked up this. I had to attend to
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Speaker 3: doctor surgery recently to get a little frozen thing on
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Speaker 3: my wrist and one hundred and thirty dollars Medicare benefit
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Speaker 3: twenty one. I needed my credit card, not my Medicare card.
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Speaker 3: So the whole contention that the Prime Minister went on
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Speaker 3: with was just one simple, great big lie. Twenty five
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Speaker 3: percent of people of doctors are not going to do
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Speaker 3: it because they simply can't afford to. So I just
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Speaker 3: didn't understand why the Opposition didn't take up the opportunity
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Speaker 3: to have a whole phalanx of demonstrators outside where he
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Speaker 3: was making a statement about his little Medicare card and saying, look,
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Speaker 3: it's not true, we need our credit card. There was
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Speaker 3: an opportunity there for a whole campaign to be framed,
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Speaker 3: but it didn't happen. I just don't know what happened
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Speaker 3: to the campaign for the opposition, Holly.
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Speaker 2: I mean Bromin's right. This is the second campaign in
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Speaker 2: a row where a medi scare has worked, So you
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Speaker 2: would think after the Coalition got done over by the
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Speaker 2: first time round, they would have been ready the second
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Speaker 2: time around and would have immediately jumped on top of
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi and say stop telling lies to people about Medicare.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but the problem is Steve and bromwhen he is
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Speaker 4: one hundred percent correct, that we have a media who
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Speaker 4: is just completely enable to ever tell the truth or
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Speaker 4: actually highlight the lies that were being told.
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Speaker 5: Medicare BULT billing.
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Speaker 4: Rates continued to decline right throughout the Labor Government's first
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Speaker 4: term of government, and this was absolutely on display for
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Speaker 4: everybody to see that every time Albanezi held up that
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Speaker 4: Medicare card, absolutely no one in the media pack traveling
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Speaker 4: with him ever challenged him. There was no coverage challenging
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Speaker 4: what the actual BULT billing rates are and the Medicare
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Speaker 4: Scare campaign, unfortunately, I think, has done real damage when
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Speaker 4: it comes to the Coalition and their ability to actually
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Speaker 4: have a conversation about Medicare. Medicare is a system that
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Speaker 4: is almost fundamentally broken now when you look when it
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Speaker 4: was set up under Whitlam versus now and the developments
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Speaker 4: we've seen in healthcare, particularly preventive healthcare, and how the
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Speaker 4: system is working.
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Speaker 5: It's not fit for purpose.
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Speaker 4: But unfortunately, no one is ever prepared to ever have
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Speaker 4: a conversation about this. And as soon as the Coalition
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Speaker 4: mentioned medicare, it turns into medi scare Mark two three
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Speaker 4: four five. It is just obscene that Albinezy is consistently
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Speaker 4: allowed to get away with these lies.
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Speaker 5: And then after the election the media.
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Speaker 4: Goes, oh, my goodness, what a shock that this actually
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Speaker 4: is never going to occur.
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Speaker 5: I mean, any.
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Speaker 4: Blind Freddie that had been following politics the last three
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Speaker 4: years could have told you it was never going to occur,
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Speaker 4: but no one ever challenged him about that.
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Speaker 6: That's why we.
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Speaker 2: Needed a can You would have hoped that you would
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Speaker 2: have hoped, Brombin, that the AMA, the doctors might have
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Speaker 2: come out and said, well, hang in a minute, this
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Speaker 2: still is not as good as you're trying to make
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Speaker 2: out it is. We're not going to bulk build. Why
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Speaker 2: didn't they do that?
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Speaker 3: Because the AMA, I'm afraid, aren't the AMA that used
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Speaker 3: to be under Brenda Nelson for instance, seems to be
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Speaker 3: a different animal these days. And I'm saying that when
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Speaker 3: you're in a fight as the opposition, you as the opposition,
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Speaker 3: have to craft your campaign to make the most of
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Speaker 3: the to point out to people where the government is
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Speaker 3: telling lies. Now, if you had a demonstration of a
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Speaker 3: few hundred people that you managed to put together or
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Speaker 3: even one hundred people. There's something there that's going to
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Speaker 3: be captured in the mainstream media even if they don't
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Speaker 3: like the policy.
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Speaker 4: So but there were doctors Bromwin that did come out
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Speaker 4: saying they were not going to be able to bill
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Speaker 4: at this rate.
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Speaker 5: Doctors were saying that.
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Speaker 4: I remember there was one particular female doctor who came
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Speaker 4: out and said, this is an absolute fallacy.
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Speaker 5: But why is the government verbaling how I'm going to
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Speaker 5: run my practice.
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Speaker 4: Yet it got minimal coverage unless you live in the
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Speaker 4: the world we do, where we follow it so closely.
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Speaker 4: It's just not being picked up because it's not a
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Speaker 4: sexy thirty second or twenty second TikTok video with albneasy
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Speaker 4: and a Medicare card.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is true.
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Speaker 2: Maybe what we needed to do was dress someone up
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Speaker 2: as a Medicare card and get them to stand outside
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi's media conference every time he spoke and said,
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Speaker 2: you're telling lies about me.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely right, Steve I suggested having a bunch of demonstrators.
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Speaker 3: Your idea is pretty good too. But the fact of
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Speaker 3: the matter was it was just let go through to
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Speaker 3: the keeper.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the green energy obsession of this government.
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Speaker 2: I mean we're now I've got neighbors fighting neighbors all
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Speaker 2: around Australia over these wind turbines. I mean there was
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Speaker 2: a meeting down in southern New South Wales just at
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Speaker 2: the weekend. James Willis talked about it with us on
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Speaker 2: the program last night. Been along and bounding are being
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Speaker 2: torn apart by it. I was in a place called
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Speaker 2: Rookwood at the weekend. I saw one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 2: two wind turbines, you know, as tall as the crown
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Speaker 2: towers in Sydney, around a small village of two hundred people,
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Speaker 2: so you know, almost one turbine for each person. This
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Speaker 2: has just got completely out of control, Holly. The rural
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Speaker 2: communities are again being let down by the federal government,
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Speaker 2: the state government and local councils all to put these
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Speaker 2: things up. It's just such a dreadful thing. It's going
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Speaker 2: to get out of a lot worse, I reckon.
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Speaker 4: But again it's just lies that are being told and
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Speaker 4: there's very little coverage of what the reality is. We
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Speaker 4: were coming home from Canandra on the wekend back to
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Speaker 4: Sydney and the entire landscape when you looked out over
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Speaker 4: what used to be absolutely amazing farming land in the
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Speaker 4: central West. At the top of every single hill, I
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Speaker 4: couldn't even cowt how many wind.
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Speaker 5: Turbines there were.
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Speaker 4: And it is rural and regional communities who are bearing
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Speaker 4: the brunt of this transition. They're bearing the brunt of
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Speaker 4: the transmission lines going through their properties, devaluing theirties and.
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Speaker 5: Costing the Australian taxpayer.
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Speaker 4: Billions, if not ultimately a trillion dollars for something that
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Speaker 4: in effect is destroying our grid. We are tying our
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Speaker 4: hands both hands behind our back when we're trying to
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Speaker 4: compete on the international stage with our energy costs going
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Speaker 4: through the roof. There's wind turbines on e turn about
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Speaker 4: thirty percent of the time. The cold generation has to
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Speaker 4: continue regardless of whether the wind's blowing or the sun shining,
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Speaker 4: because you can't ramp coal up and on at any
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Speaker 4: different given moments, so your missions are exactly the same.
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Speaker 4: The Australian people are being sold an absolute pup and
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Speaker 4: it's because the energy system is so complex. It again,
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Speaker 4: isn't a TikTok video that it can explain the energy
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Speaker 4: system to the Australian people and they're told by people
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Speaker 4: in the cities that they're going to get free or
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Speaker 4: cheap energy through this renewable that it's cheap on free
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Speaker 4: energy from the sun and the wind, and it is
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Speaker 4: an hour and out line. And I mean, don't even
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Speaker 4: get me started on the Chinese inverters, on the solar system.
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Speaker 4: Where we're giving access to our energy grid to someone
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Speaker 4: who is a foreign sovereign power is it is insanity
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Speaker 4: on steroids. Yet the average puntry in the street would
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Speaker 4: have absolutely no idea about the complexity. And my heart
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Speaker 4: goes out to these communities that are being whipped apart
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Speaker 4: with these god awful wind turbines.
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Speaker 5: They're an absolute blight on the landscape. And yet you
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Speaker 5: know what they do.
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Speaker 4: They put in wind turbine viewing platforms. I saw a
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Speaker 4: couple of signs to them coming back the back way
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Speaker 4: through Manduram from Canandre who wants to stand on a
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Speaker 4: platform and look at bloody wind turbines.
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Speaker 2: The problem bromin the situation here is, of course, you know,
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Speaker 2: had the Governor general stand up there today and talk
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Speaker 2: about the next three years under labor, and she talked
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Speaker 2: about how labor is determined by twenty thirty to have
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Speaker 2: eighty five percent of our energy come from renewables. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's not going to happen, but we're going to create
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Speaker 2: this huge mess. We haven't even talked about transmission lines.
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Speaker 2: They're just as buddy bad as what the turbines are.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's the problem, Steve. But if we look at
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Speaker 3: the specific problem and yes, those turbines are all going
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Speaker 3: to be coming from China. Now, what went on with
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Speaker 3: mister Alberinezi in his two hour chat with President z
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Speaker 3: The Chinese Communist Party rule in China has an economy
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Speaker 3: which is in not good shape. What agreement was brought
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Speaker 3: about about more and more of these coming from China?
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Speaker 3: And will they be able to control our energy system?
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Speaker 3: As for the transmission lines, that is a huge expense.
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Speaker 3: Huge We've got three big expenses so called rewiring Australia,
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Speaker 3: the NDIS and defense. We can't afford all three. If
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Speaker 3: we go back to have being a sensible, affordable policy
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Speaker 3: of using our own resources instead of exporting them away
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Speaker 3: for others and using our fossil fuels and having cheap
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Speaker 3: electricity again, then we can afford to increase our defense expenditure,
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Speaker 3: which we're going to have to do, and we can
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Speaker 3: afford the NDIS. But the way the government is going
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Speaker 3: this country is going to reckon ruin over a long
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Speaker 3: over a shorter period of time than people might have
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Speaker 3: once thought. So I just think there has to be
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Speaker 3: a reality check against this prohibition about utilizing our own gas,
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Speaker 3: about keeping our coal fire power stations going here in
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Speaker 3: New South Wales, if it wasn't a Queensland, our lights
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Speaker 3: would be going out. We're talking about subsidizing our aminium
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Speaker 3: smelters which have been creating lots of jobs for people
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Speaker 3: and exports, but now because of the cost of electricity,
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Speaker 3: they're no longer feasible, so we are being denuded. We're
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Speaker 3: going right back to being a farm and a mine
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Speaker 3: as the only source of revenue. And this government seems
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Speaker 3: determined to destroy small family farms or even larger family firms,
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Speaker 3: because they're going to destroy them with their super tax,
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Speaker 3: and they're destroying them with this appalling turbines that they're
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Speaker 3: putting in place, which let me tell you, each of
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Speaker 3: those two boys needs a lot of oil to make
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Speaker 3: it work, and only last years.
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Speaker 2: Absolute disgrace. I mean, just for you, go Bromin, you
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Speaker 2: did the difficult job of speaker. What did you make
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Speaker 2: of the speaker being re elected? Today's Milton Dicks have
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Speaker 2: been doing a good job.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I think he has, and I must say he's
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Speaker 3: extended a courtesy to me, which I've appreciated very much
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Speaker 3: as a former speaker. I was invited to go down today,
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Speaker 3: but I had other commitments that wasn't possible. But I
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Speaker 3: think he is a fair speaker.
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Speaker 2: Holly, what do you think.
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Speaker 5: So declare an interest.
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Speaker 4: Milton's been one of my best mates for over twenty
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Speaker 4: years and.
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Speaker 5: It was his birthday yesterday, so I was nice.
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Speaker 4: He's got a belated birthday present being really re elected
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Speaker 4: at speaker. I think the fact he's throwing more of
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Speaker 4: his own momb than anybody else out shows he does
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Speaker 4: try and actually an impartiality. He's probably also one of
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Speaker 4: the nicest guys you'll meet in politics. Absolutely doubt there's
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Speaker 4: not anyone I know that's pretty much universally liked across
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Speaker 4: the board, and that would be Milton. So I think
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Speaker 4: it's a great peak and I'm glad that he's re elected,
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Speaker 4: and well done Pauline for nominating Pocock today against Soul Lions.
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Speaker 5: But unfortunately didn't have the fortitude.
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Speaker 3: I was just scared to say. With regard to Milton,
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Speaker 3: he did send to throw out some of the same
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Speaker 3: people I used to throw out.
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Speaker 2: Some things never change, Ollie Broman, thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: I'll catch you. So now it's Anthony Albanie's official first
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Speaker 2: day back in Canberra. As we said, now this was
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Speaker 2: a chance for the minister to do something different and
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Speaker 2: show you know, some courage, some leadership. But it looks
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Speaker 2: like it's going to be another three years of undermining Israel.
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Speaker 2: Now the Labor government has slapped its name on a
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Speaker 2: declaration condemning Israel for its actions in Gaza, along with
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Speaker 2: I think it's twenty twenty five other countries. Now, as
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Speaker 2: if that wasn't bad enough, Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke
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Speaker 2: then had to twist the knife. Take a look at this.
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Speaker 7: We've seen too many images of children being killed, of
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Speaker 7: horrific slaughter, of churches being bombed. The images that we've
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Speaker 7: seen have been pretty clear that so much of this
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Speaker 7: is indefensible. And as that statement referred to aid being
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Speaker 7: drip fed in, none of the changes the fact that
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Speaker 7: the hostages need to be released. Of course, that needs
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Speaker 7: to happen, but what we are watching on the other
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Speaker 7: side of the world is indefensible.
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Speaker 2: They also always say truth is the first casualty of
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Speaker 2: any war. Liberal Senator and former Ambassador Israel Dave Sharma
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Speaker 2: has been kind enough to join us. David, what did
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Speaker 2: you make in Australia putting its name to that declaration.
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Speaker 8: Look, I don't think we should have done it in
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Speaker 8: blunt terms. I think if we've got concerns about how
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Speaker 8: Israel is conducting itself, we should express those privately. But
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Speaker 8: my view here is there is a ceasefire proposal on
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Speaker 8: the table that the US has formulated along with Katara,
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Speaker 8: along with Egypt, that Israel has agreed to that would
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Speaker 8: allow for the release of at least some of the hostages,
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Speaker 8: the release of several hundred Palestinian prisoners, the full resumption
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Speaker 8: of humanitarian assistance. And it's Hamas that steadfastly refuses to
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Speaker 8: accept that ceasefire deal, as has been the case now
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Speaker 8: over several months. So I would like to see an
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Speaker 8: end to the fighting. I'm sure many people around the
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Speaker 8: world would, but we need two parties to agree to that.
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Speaker 8: One is Israel, the other one is Hamas and Hamas
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Speaker 8: thus far is refusing to do so.
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Speaker 2: Well, the US reaction was pretty blunt, and I think
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Speaker 2: they described it as disgraceful agreement. I mean, here we
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Speaker 2: are again doing something completely different to what our key
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Speaker 2: ally is doing. What do you think I saw some
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Speaker 2: Israeli comments about this. I mean they just must be
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Speaker 2: shaking their heads when they considered Australia and you were
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Speaker 2: there as the ambassador, as one of their great friends
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Speaker 2: in the world.
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Speaker 8: Well, look, we did used to have a very close
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Speaker 8: and supportive relationship. Didn't mean we agreed on everything. Sometimes
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Speaker 8: we had quite blunt and frank disagreements in private. But
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Speaker 8: you know, when it came to existential questions, Israel's right
20:41
Speaker 8: to exist, Israel's right to defend itself against terrorism, is
20:45
Speaker 8: right in this instance, to recover its hostages. You know,
20:48
Speaker 8: we were fully supportive of them because those reflected Australian values,
20:52
Speaker 8: Australian priorities, and Australian interests. And I think the only
20:57
Speaker 8: way you can interpret, you know, this statement, like many
21:00
Speaker 8: before it is it's not really about changing the reality
21:03
Speaker 8: on the ground. You know, Hamas is not listening, ISAs
21:06
Speaker 8: not listening. It's about messaging to a domestic audience here
21:09
Speaker 8: in Australia.
21:12
Speaker 2: How do we pick apart what's reality and what's propaganda?
21:18
Speaker 2: I mean, I know that's a difficult question. But you know,
21:20
Speaker 2: we see media coverage from the Palestinian side and we
21:26
Speaker 2: see media coverage from the Israeli side. How does a
21:29
Speaker 2: normal person wanting to understand what exactly is going on
21:34
Speaker 2: supposed to work out what's the truth?
21:38
Speaker 8: Look, it's very difficult, and you know, I have a
21:42
Speaker 8: lot of contacts and experience in the region, but I
21:44
Speaker 8: struggle with that sometimes as well. I mean you've got
21:47
Speaker 8: to remember, though, that all the news that's coming out
21:50
Speaker 8: of Gaza, you know, there's no independent international journalists in there.
21:54
Speaker 8: They're either al Jazeer or affiliated with Hamas or in
21:58
Speaker 8: some way linked to the Muslim Brotherhood move and they
22:00
Speaker 8: have a particular narrative or world view that they are
22:03
Speaker 8: trying to portray and put across and it's hard to
22:06
Speaker 8: get an outsider, independent view of what's going on. I mean,
22:10
Speaker 8: by all means, the Israeli media has a different perspective
22:12
Speaker 8: which they offer, but they don't always have people in
22:15
Speaker 8: on the ground in Gaza. So I think there's no
22:18
Speaker 8: doubt that it's a difficult situation for the civilian.
22:20
Speaker 1: Population in Gaza right now.
22:22
Speaker 8: But you know, you hear different reports about the level
22:25
Speaker 8: of hardship, humanitarians suffering, how much food is going in,
22:28
Speaker 8: how many trucks are going in each day. But you know,
22:32
Speaker 8: I would test and prioritize and value Israeli government sources
22:37
Speaker 8: over those that are being provided figures and the facts
22:40
Speaker 8: that are being provided by hamas Information Ministry or Health
22:44
Speaker 8: ministry or Education ministry.
22:48
Speaker 2: Fellow Senator Marine for RICKI stage to protest in Parliament today.
22:52
Speaker 2: She had a sign in the chamber which she's not
22:54
Speaker 2: supposed to have. What did you make of that.
22:58
Speaker 5: Look?
22:58
Speaker 8: I thought it was infantile. I thought it it was
23:03
Speaker 8: a stunt. It was undergraduate in nature, or maybe even
23:06
Speaker 8: high school in nature. You know it demeans. Being a
23:12
Speaker 8: senator or being an electric representative is an immense privilege.
23:15
Speaker 8: You have a platform, You're able to give speeches, You're
23:18
Speaker 8: able to come on media shows like this, you have
23:20
Speaker 8: the opportunity to articulate your voice. But for her and
23:24
Speaker 8: to try and upstage an important occasion in Australia's democratic system.
23:28
Speaker 8: The opening addressed by the Governor General with that sort
23:31
Speaker 8: of puerile stunt. I think it's just it shows a
23:34
Speaker 8: great disrespect for Australian institutions and Australian democratic norms, and
23:38
Speaker 8: I don't think it's not like she has denied opportunities
23:41
Speaker 8: to speak out on this issue in many other forums.
23:45
Speaker 2: We had a large propellestinning protest outside Parliament House. I
23:49
Speaker 2: guess that's to be expected. Some of the signage boarded
23:53
Speaker 2: on hate speech as far as I could work out,
23:57
Speaker 2: they were outside Parliament House. The Greens across went out
24:00
Speaker 2: there and addressed that protest. No one's saying you can't protest,
24:03
Speaker 2: but you know, calling and suggesting that the Prime Minister
24:07
Speaker 2: has blood on his hands is completely over the top,
24:10
Speaker 2: isn't it.
24:12
Speaker 1: I think so.
24:13
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know if these protesters realize this,
24:16
Speaker 8: but I think you know, they vastly overestimated Australia's influence
24:20
Speaker 8: on developments in a conflict on the other side of
24:23
Speaker 8: the world. You know, it doesn't matter what Anthony Albneasy
24:27
Speaker 8: does or what the Australian government does. You know, we're
24:29
Speaker 8: not single handedly going to be able to convince her
24:33
Speaker 8: Musk to release the hostages. All we can do is
24:36
Speaker 8: add our voice and our way to sensible opinions, but
24:39
Speaker 8: that these people who are protesting seem to think that
24:42
Speaker 8: the sole preoccupation of Australia should not be our own citizens,
24:45
Speaker 8: our own interests, our own priorities, should be to try
24:48
Speaker 8: and to address the conflict around the other side of
24:51
Speaker 8: the world with means that we just simply don't have.
24:54
Speaker 8: I mean, I find it hard to know what these
24:56
Speaker 8: protests actually expect they will be able to achieve by this.
25:01
Speaker 2: Just finally, I mean, on a positive note, I was
25:04
Speaker 2: pleased to see today retired Victorian Governor Linda desou on
25:09
Speaker 2: a podcast with my old colleague Neil Mitchell, has called
25:12
Speaker 2: out the anti Israel protests that have taken place in Melbourne,
25:17
Speaker 2: people chanting death, death to the IDF. She came out
25:21
Speaker 2: very strongly today and she said, look, after nine to eleven,
25:24
Speaker 2: we were very careful about what happened with our Islamic community.
25:29
Speaker 2: We don't seem to be paying the same amount of
25:31
Speaker 2: care to the Jewish community in the wake of what
25:34
Speaker 2: happened on October the seventh. I mean, that's a positive,
25:38
Speaker 2: isn't it that someone at a senior level like Linda
25:41
Speaker 2: Dessau would come out and say that.
25:45
Speaker 8: I think, firstly that's an excellent and highly accurate point.
25:48
Speaker 8: But yes, it's important that people who are held in
25:50
Speaker 8: high regard by the public, who are not seen as
25:53
Speaker 8: partisan or political in any sense, who've held high office,
25:57
Speaker 8: come out and state what needs to be said, which
25:59
Speaker 8: is that we have done a terrible job as Australians
26:03
Speaker 8: collectively institutions, governments but also citizens in protecting our Jewish
26:07
Speaker 8: community and making sure that they can enjoy the same
26:10
Speaker 8: rights and freedoms as other citizens do and instead of
26:13
Speaker 8: allowing them to be victimized or scapegoated or held responsible
26:17
Speaker 8: for the actions of a foreign state.
26:21
Speaker 2: Do chama good to catch up, Thank you very much.
26:23
Speaker 2: I should point out, of course, that Linda Dessau was
26:26
Speaker 2: the first Jewish governor in Victoria. Now coming up after
26:29
Speaker 2: the break, Anthony Ibnez, he's playing musical chairs with the
26:32
Speaker 2: Lower House seating arrangements. This is going to be great
26:35
Speaker 2: to see tomorrow who gets to sit where. GXO Strategies
26:39
Speaker 2: director Cameron Milner and former Labor advisor Darren Barnett will
26:43
Speaker 2: look at the winners and I can tell you there's
26:46
Speaker 2: a few losers as well. But first up, Shadow Assistant
26:49
Speaker 2: Minister for Regional Health will rip into Labour's bulk billing fail.
26:53
Speaker 2: That's up next, welcome back, toteve Price in. I want
27:00
Speaker 2: to go back to what was Labour's medi Scare campaign,
27:04
Speaker 2: not during one election campaign, but during the last two
27:07
Speaker 2: election campaigns. Now, despite the Prime Minister's best efforts, it's
27:11
Speaker 2: believed one quarter so twenty five percent of GP clinics
27:15
Speaker 2: will not sign up to his bulk billing program. Now,
27:19
Speaker 2: as I told you at the beginning of the program,
27:21
Speaker 2: right through the last election campaign, the PM loved to
27:24
Speaker 2: pull out his Medicare card and wave it around. He
27:27
Speaker 2: had his name blacked out, and he promised that if
27:30
Speaker 2: you were to go to a doctor, that's the only
27:31
Speaker 2: card you needed. You didn't need a credit card. Well,
27:35
Speaker 2: The Australian Today reported that it's not going to happen
27:38
Speaker 2: that way. And look, I can afford to pay for
27:41
Speaker 2: my medical bills, but I don't even know where I
27:44
Speaker 2: would find a bulk billing clinic in the areas where
27:48
Speaker 2: I live. Joining me now as the Shadow Assistant Minister
27:50
Speaker 2: for Regional Health, Sam Buraal Sam great to catch up.
27:54
Speaker 2: I mean, my first question to you would be given
27:56
Speaker 2: how well you know the regions. How easy is it
27:59
Speaker 2: to find a bulk billing GP in the bush?
28:03
Speaker 9: Oh well, Steve, it's very difficult to find a GP
28:05
Speaker 9: full stop, let alone a bulk billing one. And this
28:09
Speaker 9: is just an example of the fact that Labour's very
28:12
Speaker 9: good at campaigning and not so good at governing, because
28:15
Speaker 9: it looks like this policy is all over the place.
28:18
Speaker 9: Like you, I saw the Prime Minister pulling out the
28:20
Speaker 9: Medicare card and waving it all around and pretty much
28:24
Speaker 9: promising Australians that that's the only card you're going to need. Well,
28:28
Speaker 9: it turns out that they're going to need their credit
28:29
Speaker 9: card a lot more than people had been led to believe,
28:32
Speaker 9: and that credit cards already under heaps of pressure with
28:35
Speaker 9: the cost of living crisis, food, with the Albanzi government's
28:38
Speaker 9: attack on agriculture, and of course the energy crisis that
28:41
Speaker 9: we have.
28:44
Speaker 2: Just how bad is it in regional Australia when it
28:48
Speaker 2: comes to getting the same sort of medical attention you
28:50
Speaker 2: can get and you take for granted in the city.
28:55
Speaker 9: Well, it's very difficult. I mean, we have this continuing
28:59
Speaker 9: problem of acting professional people to come and live and
29:02
Speaker 9: work in the regions, and I always try and sell it.
29:04
Speaker 9: It's a beautiful place to live, it's a wonderful place
29:07
Speaker 9: to raise a family and start a business. But you know,
29:11
Speaker 9: coalition governments seem to be good at incentivizing professionals to
29:15
Speaker 9: work in regional areas, and then when labor governments come
29:18
Speaker 9: in they take those incentives away, and we see a
29:20
Speaker 9: lot of doctors and other health professionals move to what
29:24
Speaker 9: labor might call regional areas, but really a suburb of
29:27
Speaker 9: Newcastle or Wollongong's not really a regional area. And then
29:30
Speaker 9: we lose health professionals from places that really need them,
29:34
Speaker 9: like the town where I live in Sheperdon, but even
29:37
Speaker 9: more remote places up through New South Wales and Queensland
29:40
Speaker 9: and over in the West. So it is very difficult.
29:44
Speaker 1: We have all of these.
29:45
Speaker 9: Efforts to try and get professionals trained in regional areas
29:48
Speaker 9: and working in regional areas, and then we get a
29:51
Speaker 9: labor government to come in and undo it.
29:55
Speaker 2: So I guess what really happens on the ground, And
29:58
Speaker 2: you'd know better than anyone is in a place chepend
30:00
Speaker 2: and if people can't get bog builled at a GP
30:03
Speaker 2: clinic they're likely to turn up at the local hospital
30:06
Speaker 2: with just some reasonably minor ailment, yes.
30:12
Speaker 9: Steve, Well, either that or they don't go and get
30:15
Speaker 9: any preventative or sort of you know, immediately curative first
30:20
Speaker 9: medical treatment, and the problem becomes a lot worse and
30:23
Speaker 9: a lot worse just because they haven't been to see
30:26
Speaker 9: a doctor because they can't afford it. And then by
30:28
Speaker 9: the time they do turn up to the emergency department
30:31
Speaker 9: or finally getting to see a doctor, we've got a
30:33
Speaker 9: problem that's a lot worse. That's a lot worse than.
30:35
Speaker 1: It already was.
30:37
Speaker 9: So, you know, the failure of sort of health policy
30:41
Speaker 9: in the regions. Again, Labor's very good at campaigning and
30:45
Speaker 9: saying what they're going to do, but then when the
30:49
Speaker 9: policy doesn't work, it's people in particularly in the regional
30:53
Speaker 9: areas that suffer.
30:56
Speaker 2: I'm particularly critical of state and federal governments. State governments,
31:00
Speaker 2: and you and I both live in Victoria. The Allen
31:05
Speaker 2: Labor government governs for Melbourne. It gives no regard at
31:10
Speaker 2: all for the regions. I mean, I was in regional
31:13
Speaker 2: Victoria just last weekend and some of the state of
31:17
Speaker 2: the roads I had to basically crawl along the road
31:22
Speaker 2: between Dunkeldon and Rokewood because of the potholes there. I mean,
31:27
Speaker 2: it was just horrendous.
31:30
Speaker 9: Yeah, well dunk Holdon, dunk Keldon and those areas aren't
31:33
Speaker 9: the only place I mean up in the Golden Valley,
31:35
Speaker 9: which where the roads not just a convenience, it's the
31:39
Speaker 9: pathway for which most of the food produce that's made
31:44
Speaker 9: in the Golden Valley gets to the Port of Melbourne.
31:46
Speaker 9: So for the road infrastructure to be so bad means
31:49
Speaker 9: that businesses are constantly damaging equipment. You know, it costs
31:54
Speaker 9: a huge amount of repair trucks that have to hit potholes.
31:57
Speaker 9: So yeah, Regional Victoria is struggling at the moment because
32:02
Speaker 9: they've had a government that's basically given up on them.
32:05
Speaker 9: And even if the Victorian wanted the Victorian government wanted
32:08
Speaker 9: to do something about this, they've run the economy so
32:11
Speaker 9: badly that they don't really have the money to be
32:13
Speaker 9: able to deal with it because of terrible decisions such
32:17
Speaker 9: as the Commonwealth Games debarkle and the blowouts in major projects.
32:20
Speaker 9: So we're feeling a bit vulnerable in Victoria with a
32:24
Speaker 9: government that hasn't managed the public finances at all. Well,
32:28
Speaker 9: and were a bit worried where that goes. Hopefully there's
32:30
Speaker 9: a change of government there next year.
32:34
Speaker 1: Sam.
32:35
Speaker 2: Just finally you having the same issue in your electorate
32:38
Speaker 2: as many others are, with this argument between different factions
32:43
Speaker 2: on whether to install wind turbines or not. And let
32:47
Speaker 2: alone the fact you're going to get transmission lines plowed
32:49
Speaker 2: through where you live.
32:51
Speaker 1: How bad is it? Yeah, it's very bad.
32:57
Speaker 9: Look, it's bad about wind turbines. We've got people, you know,
33:01
Speaker 9: who have set up housing developments who now may have
33:04
Speaker 9: wind turbines less than a kilometer away from where they
33:08
Speaker 9: live and they've got no recourse against that. But particularly
33:12
Speaker 9: galling for me is solar farms or as they should
33:15
Speaker 9: be called, solar factories being put on really prime agricultural land.
33:20
Speaker 9: And there's a place called colbn Abon in my electorate
33:22
Speaker 9: that's got the most beautiful cropping land you know, produces
33:26
Speaker 9: canola wheat, some of the best agricultural land you'll get,
33:30
Speaker 9: and there's been a planning permit issued to be able
33:33
Speaker 9: to cover that with six hundred and fifty hectares of
33:35
Speaker 9: solar panels. I mean, I'm not against solar where it
33:38
Speaker 9: works or where it doesn't damage our ability to produce
33:41
Speaker 9: agricultural crops. But the rollout with renewables at the moment
33:45
Speaker 9: is just out of control.
33:49
Speaker 2: That certainly is sam. Good on you, mate, thank you
33:51
Speaker 2: for joining us tonight. Still to come now, Victorian former
33:54
Speaker 2: governor I mentioned this, Linda Dessau was called out for
33:56
Speaker 2: stricter measures against hate speech. This is in the anti
34:00
Speaker 2: Israel protests that we see every weekend. I'll talk to
34:03
Speaker 2: Victorian Liberal MP David Southwick about that. Plus, Parliament's back
34:07
Speaker 2: in session today and there'll be a question time tomorrow.
34:11
Speaker 2: It's given us plenty to discuss with our political panelists
34:14
Speaker 2: Cameron Milner and Darren Barnett.
34:16
Speaker 1: That's up next.
34:21
Speaker 2: Welcome back Parliament back today. Let's jump into our political
34:24
Speaker 2: panel with GXO Strategies Director and former Chief of Staff
34:28
Speaker 2: to Bill Shorten, Cameron Milner and former Press Secretary to
34:32
Speaker 2: Julia Gillard Darren Barnett. Now for a political panel, the
34:37
Speaker 2: most obvious thing is to start with is the return
34:39
Speaker 2: to Parliament. Politicians have all filed down to Canberra for
34:43
Speaker 2: the usual pomp and ceremony question time tomorrow. I think
34:46
Speaker 2: they'll all be excited about that. It's been a great
34:48
Speaker 2: distraction for the PM while he's played musical chairs in
34:52
Speaker 2: the Lower House. Now I really want to tap into
34:54
Speaker 2: your experience you two about this. There was an interesting
34:58
Speaker 2: piece in The Australian Today which looks at where individual
35:02
Speaker 2: MPs have been seated. I do note, by the way
35:04
Speaker 2: that Susan Lee does have the same issue. She puts
35:08
Speaker 2: people around behind her that she wants the nation to
35:11
Speaker 2: get to know Cameron, Ali France and Sarah Witty. Now
35:16
Speaker 2: Ali France of course beat Peter Dutton in his seat,
35:19
Speaker 2: and Sarah Whitty, thank god for her, got rid of
35:22
Speaker 2: Adam Bant in Melbourne. They've been praaced right behind the
35:26
Speaker 2: PM and the Treasurer. What do you make of that?
35:28
Speaker 10: Well, it's the theater of Parliament, isn't it. I mean,
35:30
Speaker 10: ultimately you want to put women behind male leaders. That
35:33
Speaker 10: typically is the rule of rual thumb, Darren, You and
35:34
Speaker 10: I would have seen that in our times in the
35:37
Speaker 10: back rooms as well, but especially also for people who've
35:40
Speaker 10: just had big wins. That's what you also want to have.
35:42
Speaker 10: So you know, Liberals is to do it with marginals MPs.
35:45
Speaker 10: Labour's doing it the same. But yes, to your point,
35:48
Speaker 10: isn't it fantastic where Labor and p rather than Adam
35:50
Speaker 10: bands in.
35:50
Speaker 2: The chamber as oh. I just think that she deserves
35:54
Speaker 2: a gold medal. Let go Darren, when you were running
35:58
Speaker 2: things for Julia Gillard, actually sit down and strategize this
36:01
Speaker 2: sort of stuff, did you say and do people put
36:04
Speaker 2: in a bid? Does someone go, oh, mate, I'll buy
36:06
Speaker 2: your dinner at the best pub in Camber tomorrow night
36:09
Speaker 2: if you can get me two rows back in the
36:12
Speaker 2: center of the seat.
36:14
Speaker 11: I think it's more it's to do with the marginal seat.
36:16
Speaker 11: So you'll always find the member for Bass for example,
36:19
Speaker 11: whichever party they're from, because it's always a marginal's seat.
36:22
Speaker 11: They'll always be nodding away in the background when the
36:25
Speaker 11: PM's on question time. It's about recognition back in your electorate.
36:28
Speaker 11: And the two people that you mentioned, Ali Franz knocked
36:32
Speaker 11: off Peter Dutton and Sarah Whitty knocked off Adam bat
36:35
Speaker 11: There the giants layers. So that's why they're there. It
36:38
Speaker 11: is to remind their electorates. And you know, they're probably
36:42
Speaker 11: contests that going into the election, Labor wasn't really expecting
36:47
Speaker 11: to necessarily win, so that those couple of rows. It
36:50
Speaker 11: is often women. That's true, particularly when it's a male leader.
36:53
Speaker 11: But it's all about marginal seat MPs, so that people
36:57
Speaker 11: in their electric if they flick on the TV or
36:59
Speaker 11: if they see a photo from question time, they see
37:03
Speaker 11: their MP amongst the action, and safer seats get located
37:08
Speaker 11: further away from what would be the TV shot on
37:11
Speaker 11: the six o'clock news.
37:14
Speaker 2: Here's the question, though, Darren, do the likely contenders to
37:19
Speaker 2: take over one day down the track as leader? Do
37:23
Speaker 2: they get shoved up the back so they don't get
37:26
Speaker 2: a lot of publicity. And I speak of Andrew Charlton,
37:30
Speaker 2: a very good looking man, very successful, very bright. He's
37:35
Speaker 2: ended up up the back. What did we read into that?
37:38
Speaker 11: I think, Look the twenty ministers or twenty thereabouts ministers,
37:41
Speaker 11: they sit along that front bench sitting near Andrew Charlton.
37:46
Speaker 11: There's also Jed Carney, Josh Wilson, Matt Thistlethwaite, Rebecca White.
37:50
Speaker 11: They're all assistant ministers. Patrick Gorman. That's where all of
37:55
Speaker 11: the assistant ministers are sitting. It's not just Andrew Chelton. Look,
38:00
Speaker 11: Andrew Chldon's got a ton of ability. His time will come,
38:03
Speaker 11: but he has to wait his turn.
38:06
Speaker 2: Cameron, I'm going to get onto a piece you wrote
38:08
Speaker 2: in the Nightly in the SEC. I just want to
38:09
Speaker 2: ask you. I started the program talking about the great
38:12
Speaker 2: Mediscare campaign that was run in the last election and
38:17
Speaker 2: in the previous election as well. How do politicians get
38:21
Speaker 2: away with making stuff up like that day after day
38:24
Speaker 2: after day.
38:25
Speaker 10: Well, actually I was involved as cheap as Bill Shawan
38:27
Speaker 10: the Sheiever staff when we ran med Scare one point
38:29
Speaker 10: zero back in twenty sixteen, So Labor's been doing it
38:31
Speaker 10: for about three or four elections. Actually, Look, it's about
38:34
Speaker 10: the tutemic value of Medicare and what it means for people,
38:39
Speaker 10: what it means for health care and cost of living,
38:40
Speaker 10: and so Labor is going to try to own that.
38:42
Speaker 10: I mean, Whitlam started. Labor owns it as a brand
38:45
Speaker 10: and continues to go out there and say the electors
38:47
Speaker 10: that we're the only protectors of Medicare. If the Liberals
38:49
Speaker 10: had the smarts, they'd actually put that to rest, but
38:51
Speaker 10: they haven't. So every election Labor gets to try out
38:54
Speaker 10: the Medicare card and say they're the only ones defending Medicare.
38:57
Speaker 2: Darren, I mean, the PM even came out and said,
39:00
Speaker 2: you know, don't elect Peter Dutton because he'll cut Medicare
39:05
Speaker 2: off at the knees. I think was the quote that
39:07
Speaker 2: he was used in the intention. I don't believe of
39:11
Speaker 2: doing that.
39:12
Speaker 1: Did he well?
39:13
Speaker 11: When the twenty fourteen budget came down, Dutton was the
39:16
Speaker 11: Health minister when Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey wanted to
39:20
Speaker 11: put a Medicare co payment. So that was the basis
39:23
Speaker 11: for that campaign that he wanted to be. Therefore, Peter
39:27
Speaker 11: Dutton wants to put an end to the universal health care,
39:31
Speaker 11: to bulk billing, all the rest of it. It's like
39:34
Speaker 11: all great scare campaigns. It's got a grain of truth
39:38
Speaker 11: and then it's pushed to its extreme. So was it
39:41
Speaker 11: one hundred percent true? No, But was it believable enough
39:45
Speaker 11: that people looked at it and thought, jeez hee might
39:47
Speaker 11: do that. Yes, it was. That's why it was a
39:50
Speaker 11: successful campaign.
39:52
Speaker 2: The problem camera though, as we learn in the Australian
39:55
Speaker 2: today that twenty five percent of bulk billing clinics, five
40:00
Speaker 2: percent of doctors are not going to take on this
40:04
Speaker 2: extra payment and bulk bill, I mean they're just not
40:07
Speaker 2: going to do it.
40:08
Speaker 1: Yeah.
40:08
Speaker 10: But at the end of the day, Medicare for a
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Speaker 10: lot of families, for the seventy five percent you talk
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Speaker 10: about there, do get bulk built and for a cost
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Speaker 10: living measure where it is hard to find money, you
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Speaker 10: want to make sure your kid as well, or you
40:18
Speaker 10: can get back to work that are bulk building. Doctor's
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Speaker 10: essential and that's the hard of medicare if you.
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Speaker 2: Can find one. You wrote an interesting piece, as I
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Speaker 2: mentioned this week in the Nightly, praising Treasurer Jim Chalmers
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Speaker 2: leadership qualities in government defined by Anthony Albanesi's lack of leadership.
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Speaker 2: I don't think too many people see Anthony Albanesi as
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Speaker 2: wonderful leader. Darren might disagree, but what was your point?
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Speaker 2: What were you trying to argue?
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Speaker 10: Well, Labour's got a challenge. I mean, Labour's got ninety
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Speaker 10: four seats potentially an election an election after that to hold.
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Speaker 10: Now it's about time they became a labor government. I mean,
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Speaker 10: you know Albanize has sat there with two seats saying, oh,
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Speaker 10: I can't you can't be this can't be courageous. Well,
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Speaker 10: for goodness sake, be a labor leader. Albow. That's Jim
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Speaker 10: Chalmers is showing Jim Chalmers out there as a labor
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Speaker 10: treasurer prepared to have courage and to put some ideas
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Speaker 10: up there and fight for labor ideals. And I think
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Speaker 10: that's what makes him a great labor leader, even if
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Speaker 10: he's not yet PM.
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Speaker 2: Darren, when you read this, did you agree.
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Speaker 11: I did. I think Jim's problem is the same problem
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Speaker 11: that Kevin Rudd had, that the caucus numbers out of
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Speaker 11: Queensland are not sufficient to get you the leadership, so
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Speaker 11: you have to use the media and have to use
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Speaker 11: your profile to elevate yourself into that position. I think
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Speaker 11: if Anthony Albanezer was hit by a bus tomorrow, Richard
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Speaker 11: Marles would probably be the next Prime Minister. It wouldn't
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Speaker 11: be Jim. Now, Jim is using his position and he's
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Speaker 11: also he's a labor guy and he's a smart guy.
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Speaker 11: I've known him for twenty years, a friend of mine.
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Speaker 11: But he needs to use his public profile to get
41:48
Speaker 11: himself to be next in line. That's just a simple
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Speaker 11: reality of the way the numbers are set up within
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Speaker 11: the Labor caucus.
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Speaker 2: Cameron, I mean, you wouldn't want to see Richard Marles's
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Speaker 2: Prime minister, and said Jim Chalmers, would you?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 10: No, And I think even the Victorian Caucus might have
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Speaker 10: something to say about that. With Richard Miles. No, But
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Speaker 10: to your point, Darren, I think it's right. I mean,
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Speaker 10: New South Wales right still has the bulk of the
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Speaker 10: numbers and they'll still determine who becomes the next prime minister.
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Speaker 10: But to your point, I think Jim's out there actually
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Speaker 10: putting his agenda out there, putting his credentialed out there
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Speaker 10: every single day, and being a labor treasurer, which should
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Speaker 10: make him a great labor prime minister.
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Speaker 2: Darren Wors's job in the country opposition leader probably going
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Speaker 2: to be there for two terms. For Susan Lee, the
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Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph went out today with her picture and one
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Speaker 2: hundred out of one hundred people didn't know who she was.
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Speaker 11: Look, I'm not surprised by that, and I think probably
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Speaker 11: I have said this before, but look the thing with
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Speaker 11: Susan Lee, she's a completely unknown quantity that everyone who's
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Speaker 11: been in that position, whether it be Turmble, was Opposition leader, Abbotts,
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Speaker 11: Opposition leader, even Peter Dutton, everyone since John Howard in
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Speaker 11: that leadership position, with the possible slight exception of Brendan Nelson,
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Speaker 11: everybody already knew who they were before they took on
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Speaker 11: the position. But people know very very little about Susan Lee.
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Speaker 11: She's kind of swept in from nowhere. She was Environment
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Speaker 11: Minister in the most recent iteration of coalition government. She's
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Speaker 11: not a household name, she's not a household face. So
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Speaker 11: I'm not really surprised. I just hope the party give
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Speaker 11: her a couple of years to have a good solid
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Speaker 11: go at the leadership. But if she's not performing in
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Speaker 11: two years time, she wouldn't be the first Opposition to
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Speaker 11: not leader to not make it through a full term.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're probably right, Darren Cameron, Thank you
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Speaker 2: very much for joining us tonight. Now, coming up after
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Speaker 2: the break, the shocking reason one of Victoria's worth youth
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Speaker 2: offenders is back on the streets again. Victorian Liberal MP
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Speaker 2: David Southwick joins me next. Welcome back, Janika g Giorgio
43:53
Speaker 2: coming up after me for Paul Murray tonight. As I
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Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, the former Victorian governor Linda Dessow. She was
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Speaker 2: the first Jewish governor in Victoria. Of Victoria, She's called
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Speaker 2: for a tougher response to hate speech. Now, I think
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Speaker 2: this is a really welcome development. These are these anti
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Speaker 2: Israeli rallies. They've been held in Melbourne ever since the
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Speaker 2: attack by Hamas on Israel on October the seventh. Now
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Speaker 2: the former governor wants tougher consequences for people court displaying
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Speaker 2: swastikas or chanting slogans like death to the IDF. And
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Speaker 2: I think she's absolutely one hundred percent correct. Joining me now,
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Speaker 2: Victorian Shadow Minister of Policing Corrections, David Southwick, David, good
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Speaker 2: to see you again. How good is it that Linda
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Speaker 2: Dessau and she did this on a podcast with one
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Speaker 2: of my old colleagues, Neil Mitchell. How good is it
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Speaker 2: that she stood up and actually talked about this publicly?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Steve Well, Linda's calling it for what it is.
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Speaker 6: It hate, it's anti Semitism, and she's been in the
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Speaker 6: highest of offers of Jewish background herself. She knows what
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Speaker 6: these is like where a government has failed to act
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Speaker 6: and the irony of this, Steve is today, after only
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Speaker 6: a few weeks ago where we saw an attempted fire
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Speaker 6: bombing of a synagogue in East Melbourne, we had the
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Speaker 6: federal government stand out alongside that synagogue, Tony Burke standing
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Speaker 6: up and calling out anti Semitism today in the federal Parliament,
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Speaker 6: they're fueling it. So this is what we're seeing, a
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Speaker 6: government that is two faced at federal and at state level.
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Speaker 6: They've turned the backs on the Jewish community. And it's
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Speaker 6: little wonder why people like Linda Dessauer has to call
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Speaker 6: this stuff out because the government's not.
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Speaker 2: Why can't they be consistent in their attitude. I mean
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Speaker 2: it seems to me, and you and I have talked
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Speaker 2: about this a lot before, there's an undercurrent of protecting
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Speaker 2: their political lives in their seats where they've got large
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Speaker 2: Islamic voters, Muslim voters. I mean, it's clear.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I mean I've got to say, and I
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Speaker 6: haven't had the opportunity to really do this on your
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Speaker 6: program before, but most Australians have been fantastic in seeing
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Speaker 6: this for what it is. You have and many of
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Speaker 6: your viewers absolutely have. They hate this stuff. It's a
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Speaker 6: pity that the government don't see the same thing. Most
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Speaker 6: Australians don't want people in citing hate, inciting violence. They
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Speaker 6: don't want the troubles of the Middle East coming to
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Speaker 6: the likes of Melbourne. We're not the Middle East. We're Melbourne.
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Speaker 6: We want a peaceful state. We don't want this hate
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Speaker 6: and violence. The government don't seem to get it. And
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Speaker 6: until such time as they wake up to themselves, I
46:36
Speaker 6: think there'll be a ground swell of people that will
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Speaker 6: stand up against this because it's divisive and it's certainly
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Speaker 6: not doing the government any favors. And certainly I think
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Speaker 6: most Australians are just sick and tired of this.
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Speaker 2: How disappointed were you when the federal government, through Penny
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Speaker 2: Wang signed that call for a ceasefire along with other
46:58
Speaker 2: twenty odd twenty four other countries where that must have
47:02
Speaker 2: you must have been gobs back to see.
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Speaker 6: Them again, you know, like it's appalling when we're seeing
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Speaker 6: so much trouble in Australia.
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Speaker 1: For Penny Wong to do that. We know what that does.
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Speaker 6: It just gives more permission for the haters, for the
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Speaker 6: extreme left. And it is the problem of the extreme
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Speaker 6: left that are fueling this, that are using this to
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Speaker 6: weaponize against the Jewish community here in Australia and in Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: We're seeing it, you know.
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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, we've become the Victoria has become the anti Semitic
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Speaker 6: capital of Australia. That is nothing to be proud of.
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Speaker 6: This government should be ashamed of that. Whether it's Penny
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Speaker 6: Wong or to Cinderellen or Anthony Albanesi, they're all together
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Speaker 6: causing hate and division in this country and there's frankly
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Speaker 6: no place for it.
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Speaker 2: Just briefly, I wanted to check with you one of
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Speaker 2: Victoria's worst youth offendes on a refugee visa. He's I
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Speaker 2: think sixteen years old. He's been given bail I think
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Speaker 2: forty times. The judge has now given up and said, well,
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to do what I tell
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Speaker 2: him to do. He's refused to comply with every court
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Speaker 2: order he's ever been given, so he's back out on
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Speaker 2: the streets. How typical of that is what's happening in
48:14
Speaker 2: your state.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the crime crisis capital as well.
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Speaker 6: Here we'll see every fifty seconds to Crime Committee in Victoria,
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Speaker 6: we're seeing youth getting away with absolute blue murder.
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Speaker 1: This is a classic example of that.
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Speaker 6: Fifty times this young offender has been bailed over four
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Speaker 6: hundred charges, and the judges literally waved the white flag
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Speaker 6: up and said there's no use doing anything with this
48:40
Speaker 6: person anymore because he's just going to be reoffending, so
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Speaker 6: let him go and do what he likes. I mean,
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Speaker 6: there are no consequences in Victoria. It seems a really
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Speaker 6: bad signal that people can do what they like and
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Speaker 6: what I think we need to start to wake up
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Speaker 6: and let's he's putting victims.
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Speaker 1: First, that young offender. Yeh, that is That's.
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Speaker 2: Exactly what you've got to do, David. You've got to
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Speaker 2: start thinking about the victims. I mean, it's not about
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Speaker 2: the person committing the crime. I mean, lock them up
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Speaker 2: for goodness sake. David Southwick Allway was great to catch
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Speaker 2: up with you. Thank you very much. That's it for
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Speaker 2: me tonight. Danik is up next