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Send in the Clowns (feat. Caleb Hearon) · Like a Virgin

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  Speaker 1: Actually, when the valet came out, I was like, not know,
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  Speaker 1: he's the second hot valet I've had in a row.
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  Speaker 1: I think he knows that, like our valet is like calms,
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  Speaker 1: and I think he resents it. He definitely. I think
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  Speaker 1: he hates that because we're not paying cash. Really yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he tricked me. He goes, I'll retenders cash and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, no problem, and I did it. I was
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  Speaker 1: like whatever, I know. I was like, if that's what
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  Speaker 1: you need. Today's episode feels a long time coming because
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: anyone who listened to this podcast knows that at least
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: once an episode, I threatened Frand's life. Yes you do, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you do, remarkably on the record at all times to
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  Speaker 1: have threatened. But if Fran ever dies under mysterious circumstances,
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  Speaker 1: it was not me, but it might have been our
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  Speaker 1: guest Caleb here in who's here to talk all about
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  Speaker 1: John Wayne Gacy and gay murderers at large. I mean
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  Speaker 1: both at large as in those who haven't been caught
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  Speaker 1: and then just like game murderers as a cultural phenomenon
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  Speaker 1: of course, and honestly, Ka, I mean we joke a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about it. But Caleb is the person to
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  Speaker 1: talk about game murders. Of course. Um. If you're not
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  Speaker 1: familiar with Caleb's work, he's like comedian. He has an
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  Speaker 1: amazing podcast called Keeping Records with his friend Shelby. He
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  Speaker 1: was friends co star in a Muna and Phoebe Bridges
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  Speaker 1: music video. Yes, that's where we met um. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a pretty juicy convo. No pun intended in terms
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  Speaker 1: of the juiciness of human flesh. So if you want
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  Speaker 1: to hear all about Gaze who kill Um, you are
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  Speaker 1: in luck because this is like a virgin the show
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: we give yesterday's pop culture Today's takes. I'm Rose, dam
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  Speaker 1: you and I'm fran Toronto. Okay, Rose, I have to
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  Speaker 1: say last week we were looking for Tea on drag
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  Speaker 1: Race and one of our loyal virgins sent sent some
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  Speaker 1: t to us. Are we about to blow up their spot?
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  Speaker 1: Do they work on drag Race and we're like going
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  Speaker 1: to get them fired? Or RuPaul is going to kill them? No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I From what I understand, it feels like some
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  Speaker 1: very general Reddit t so we can just continue to
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  Speaker 1: say allegedly, So this was this was concerning our grapes
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  Speaker 1: that the queens are not getting any constructive criticism, none whatsoever,
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  Speaker 1: nothing even slightly negative, and even the stuff some of them,
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  Speaker 1: some of them are not, let's be clear, performing well yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and and and some of the even sometimes they even
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  Speaker 1: start to say something that could be considered constructive and
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  Speaker 1: then they have to end the sentence with a positive
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  Speaker 1: and it just feels so forced and unnatural because we've
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  Speaker 1: been watching these judges do what they do for eons
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  Speaker 1: without ever having to be and also it's drag everything.
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  Speaker 1: So the t that was spilt to us was I mean,
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  Speaker 1: first off, we were told that like, this season of
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  Speaker 1: production has been extremely difficult to produce, and that all
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  Speaker 1: the girls are winners and therefore legends and stars but
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  Speaker 1: also probably divas. But apparently the first two or three
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  Speaker 1: episodes did have actual like critiques and constructive criticism, but
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  Speaker 1: they were retroactively edited out because Raja basically like put
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  Speaker 1: her foot down, I mean allegedly put her foot down
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  Speaker 1: about the whole thing. Queen who shall not be named
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  Speaker 1: on a television show that will not be named, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's important that it's Rajah. Well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Rajah literally has a show in which she criticizes people's looks.
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  Speaker 1: I know that's so crazy, and she also is like
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  Speaker 1: truly the legend of the season, and I've been kind
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  Speaker 1: of shook that she hasn't one. I felt like she
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  Speaker 1: deserved to be in the lip sync for two of
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  Speaker 1: these episodes. Um, and she's been a little snubbed in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion. But anyways, Raja took a stand against the
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  Speaker 1: judges and was like, hey, we're not going to take
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  Speaker 1: this ship anymore, like we will not be critiqued to
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  Speaker 1: this degree or whatever. And she said, quote unquote allegedly,
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  Speaker 1: we don't need you, you need us, And there was
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  Speaker 1: like kind of like organizational fury among the queens. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's true. And I think also, if I'm remembering correctly,
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  Speaker 1: what that person said in this message was that because
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  Speaker 1: this is all Stars, all winners, these queens spent so
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  Speaker 1: much money, yes on their looks to be there, and
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  Speaker 1: we're like, you are not going to rip us to
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  Speaker 1: shreds when we have invested all this to make your
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  Speaker 1: TV show. Because the queens, I think everyone kind of
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  Speaker 1: knows this. It's not like the queens get given a
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  Speaker 1: budget with which to put together their looks for the
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  Speaker 1: runways and for the challenges, like they invest all that
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  Speaker 1: money themselves. I think there's like I wish that there
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  Speaker 1: had been some sort of balance to strike because like
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  Speaker 1: in I'm thinking a lot of a door to Lano
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  Speaker 1: and how how shell shocked she was when she came
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  Speaker 1: to All Stars Too and was like, I don't belong here.
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  Speaker 1: My sister Michelle, who I love and adore, is like
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  Speaker 1: being a TV mom and really mean to me, and
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  Speaker 1: it was something that she emotionally could not handle, you know.
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  Speaker 1: She was just like in terms of like how criticism
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  Speaker 1: functions on the show, like it broke her. And I
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  Speaker 1: feel like there's something that is really severe that the
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  Speaker 1: Queen's experience that like I'm not privy to, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: willing to accept that that there's like, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: more nuanced than how they should be critiqued. However, it's
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  Speaker 1: not interesting anymore, like the runways. That's what's the point
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  Speaker 1: of having the judges there. It's really not And there
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  Speaker 1: is a way to make it work, both, I think,
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  Speaker 1: when they're actually shooting it and in the edit, because
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  Speaker 1: by the time they get to the final runway of
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  Speaker 1: the season, in every normal season, they might throw in
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  Speaker 1: like one or two constructive things, but it's still uniformly positive,
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  Speaker 1: because what they're saying is like, if you've gotten to
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  Speaker 1: this point, you are the best of the best, So
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  Speaker 1: we might give you like small little tweaks and nudges,
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  Speaker 1: but for the most part, it's all good. And I
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  Speaker 1: think the show could have been like that. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying these girls deserve to be torn to shreds, but not.
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  Speaker 1: Everything they're doing is good. And this is still a
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  Speaker 1: drag competition TV show, yes, And the steaks of the
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  Speaker 1: game are not high enough, and they're alluding to a twist,
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: and I'll feel like the twist is a fake out,
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  Speaker 1: and like I'm just like I want twists, i want thrills,
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  Speaker 1: I want chills, and I'm not sure the season is
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  Speaker 1: going to give it to me. And it is getting
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  Speaker 1: boring speaking of a show that actually has shade and
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  Speaker 1: negative critiques on the judges panel. Um, I am all
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: caught up on Legendary and I have to I have
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  Speaker 1: to give you just a quick, little, a quick little
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  Speaker 1: glimpse into how it's going. So in accordance with what
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  Speaker 1: we first talked about, it's like, not the best season
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  Speaker 1: of Legendary in terms of the competitors, but like the
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  Speaker 1: top three and top four of this show, which spoiler
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  Speaker 1: alert I'm about to say them are House of Juicy Guitur,
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  Speaker 1: House of rev Lan, and House of Yamamoto, which were
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  Speaker 1: like my top threes, and they are really that good.
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  Speaker 1: They have done like some of the best performances that
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  Speaker 1: I've ever seen in the history of the show. There
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  Speaker 1: was this one performance that was a kind of fairy
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  Speaker 1: tale interpretation of like Rapunzel, but like she had brave,
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  Speaker 1: like really long kind of like braids, and like it
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  Speaker 1: was so so seamless and gorgeous. But um, whoever is
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  Speaker 1: booking the guest judges for this show like needs to
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  Speaker 1: be held accountable because like there have been amazing people
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  Speaker 1: like Issa Ray, Bob the Drag Queen, Kelly Rowland, Um,
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  Speaker 1: Dominique Jackson, Leslie Jones, and then out of nowhere, some
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  Speaker 1: white guy named Jake Wesley Rogers who was introduced as
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  Speaker 1: the next Elton John on which, first of all, no
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  Speaker 1: thank you, um. Second of all, it's like some white
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  Speaker 1: guy in like you know, a feather bow up moment
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  Speaker 1: who gave a full performance on the show because now
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  Speaker 1: guest judges, I guess apparently give performances and then sat
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  Speaker 1: at you know, his little chair and like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: basically did nothing, had no connection to ballroom, had no
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  Speaker 1: connection really to the show, didn't really know what he
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: was talking about, and his performance was bad. At In
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  Speaker 1: his like piano ballad, he talked about like if Marcia
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: and Sylvia could be with us now, like blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 1: like something kind of like crazy weird like white ally
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  Speaker 1: ship like anthem music. But it was infuriating because I
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  Speaker 1: went and googled this man and he has a hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand followers on Instagram, and I was like, this person
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  Speaker 1: is like not even like famous, like this is like
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  Speaker 1: an influencer question Mark. Well maybe he's like I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: legendaries on HBO, so maybe he's like some new like
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  Speaker 1: Ward or is like artists they're trying to push. How
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  Speaker 1: all those like back door things happen. People get attached
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  Speaker 1: to shows to like promote them. I definitely think that's
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  Speaker 1: what's happening, because it is. It was ugly to behold,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, why are you here? Um, speaking
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  Speaker 1: of which I had no idea Kekie Palmer did music,
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: or rather maybe I did, and I forgot. Did you
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  Speaker 1: know that she does seem like one of those triple threats,
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  Speaker 1: you know, one of the one of the actors, one
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  Speaker 1: of the stars who can do it all, which I
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  Speaker 1: actually have been thinking about a lot this weekend of
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: a time when stars were stars, because I revisited the
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: two thousand three filmed Down with Love this weekend with
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  Speaker 1: our friend La La and you and McGregor and Renee's
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  Speaker 1: Elwigger are in it, and I was just remembering a
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  Speaker 1: time when like the real stars could do it all,
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  Speaker 1: They could act, sing, dance, they were triple thre us.
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: If you want an in depth um rundown of my
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  Speaker 1: take on Down with Love, I did make a TikTok
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  Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, so feel free to lit to virgins
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  Speaker 1: go watch that, But I mean baseline like it is
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  Speaker 1: so many times on the pot about so many and
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  Speaker 1: it reminded me how obsessed I was with you and
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  Speaker 1: McGregor post Mulan rouge, and I think I'm I'm back
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: on my you and bullshit. I finally started. This all
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: happened because our friend La La and I were going
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: to watch Obi Wan Kenobi, the New Star Wars show,
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: and then somehow we're like, actually, let's watch it down
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  Speaker 1: with love and staid. Um. But I did start watching. Yeah,
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: I did start watching Obi Wan Kenobi yesterday. But I
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: love you and McGregor. Have you ever seen Velvet Goldwine? No,
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: I've never even heard of that. It's very gay. You
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: need to watch it. Also, something very gay that I
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: watched this weekend was one one Dalmatians, the Glen Close version,
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: Glen's version, which have you still have never seen? I
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: have never seen it? Um. I know I probably should
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: have because I did go into such a spiral after
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: Cruella came out last year. But yeah, I'll find some
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: time soon and watch it, honestly now that now that
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: I have so much more free time on my hands
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: after our episode, you did end up watching Fatal Attraction, right? No?
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: Oh you didn't? Okay, Well, they're very like my list.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: They're very double features. To me, Fatal Attraction to to
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  Speaker 1: one hundred one Dalmatians is like there's a distinct through
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  Speaker 1: line there. Um, well, the through line is Glenn Close.
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  Speaker 1: That I mean Glenn Close inhabiting a very specific character
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  Speaker 1: that I think, you know, I think it's very nuanced
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: and beautiful, and I think when I was a kid.
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  Speaker 1: In watching this movie, it's just it's a cartoon, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean like it's live action, but it's there. The
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  Speaker 1: actings ry cartoonish. It's very silly. It's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: physical comedy. But watching it as an adult, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: Glenn isn't full drag and she's playing like a mean, pompous,
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  Speaker 1: like elitist like editor in chief like years before Miranda
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: Priestley existed, And I thought that that was like so
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: something that I hadn't really thought about. Um, But also
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: like obviously Glenn is getting giving a performance of a lifetime.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: But um, the guys that play like the Henchman, which
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: are Hugh Laurie and the guy that plays Mr Weasley
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: and Harry Potter, are like the guys that are trying
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: to basically like capture the dogs. They are giving physical
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: comedy that is so like Home Alone level good and funny,
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: like still funny to this day as an adult that
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: like I'm feeling like honestly like physical comedy. It deserves
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: to be like in the prestige acting category, like these
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: actors are empty. I mean, yeah, it is a little empty,
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  Speaker 1: but that's it's it's a little It's a little kid's choice,
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  Speaker 1: like they should. They're they're getting they're getting slimed. They're
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  Speaker 1: not getting They're not getting prestige. Honey, slime that drop
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  Speaker 1: drop dropped the slime. But I just had to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: have a moment for them. I wish I could slime you.
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  Speaker 1: I would probably hate that unless it was like for money.
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  Speaker 1: I really hate being like dirt. I think I have
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: been slimed before, um because there used to be a
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: sort of like Nickelodeon experience at Universal when I was
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: a kid, and I do remember getting slimed in and
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: around the time that I got to visit the set
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: of Galagala Island. Oh I missed Galagala Island. Maybe we
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: should should we go now to Galagala Island Island? Since
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: we just spontaneously erupted into song, I do feel like
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: it is a good time to have Kate Bush enter
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: the chat um. If you have been on the internet
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: any time since Stranger Things came out, you will know
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: that Kate Bush was a big part of the new
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: season and has made a cultural resurgence. She's been on
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  Speaker 1: the Billboard charts like she's been charting everywhere, running up
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  Speaker 1: that Hill, and there's I don't even know how how
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  Speaker 1: real this is that some people are like, oh no,
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: we had to gate keep Kate Bush, we can't let
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: everyone know about her. Um, that might just be like
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: more of a meme. But if there are people who
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: are saying that, like, please shut up, it is. It
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  Speaker 1: is incredible that I was in the car the other
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  Speaker 1: day and Kate Bush came on the radio. Not not
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  Speaker 1: an oldies channel, not like an eighties channel, she was
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  Speaker 1: just on the radio, and it was that was incredible.
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  Speaker 1: And anything that gets more people to listen to Kate
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  Speaker 1: Bush and and like especially a younger generation that will
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  Speaker 1: carry her music on so that it lives forever, that
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: is a good thing. Kate Bush deserves that. And also,
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  Speaker 1: Kate Bush is not like a secret She's not I
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  Speaker 1: was not an underground artist. And it is amazing that
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: every other TikTok I see Running Up that Hill is
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  Speaker 1: the background music. I agree, And you know, I'm someone
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: who usually loves to get keep, but I I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, you know, when Poes had Running Up
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  Speaker 1: the Hill as a thematic through line in the first season,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I honestly I felt more compelled by that so like,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know a little like I roll about
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: the Stranger Things, but obviously Stranger Things is a much
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: huger phenomenon. So I mean, I love watching Kay transcend
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: over and over again. Even though you know, you and
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  Speaker 1: I have been she's been our number one, you know,
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  Speaker 1: always and forever. Wait, what did we decide? Kate Bush's
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: stand base is called Lion Hearts. That's that's what we're
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  Speaker 1: called Lion Hearts. I love that. And also some of
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  Speaker 1: her other music is also entering the charts, like Wathering
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Heights has started to chart. And also here's some other
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  Speaker 1: Kate Bush songs that need the running up that hill treatment.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Rubber band girl, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. I just
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: want girl, no no no, put some others, put some others,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: give us a few more, give us a little digest.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I do think we need like a
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: big Weathering Heights moment and maybe um and you're gonna
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: roast me for this because I've already tweeted it, but like,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I think that if the kid Bush of sons can
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: lead to us finally getting a big budget Wathering Heights adaptation,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: which like somehow has never bag. I mean I'm sure,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: like a virgin will fact check me on that. I'm
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: sure there's like some fucking like BBC mini series of it,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: but I think we need a contemporary Weathering Heights adaptation.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I'm offering myself up to be a right or on it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm seeing like an eight episode limited series. Um, that
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  Speaker 1: would be incredible. I'm in I would love that that
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  Speaker 1: that she needs some she needs many adaptations. I would
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  Speaker 1: love to honestly see a k Bush Jukebox musical, even
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: though those are all kind of horrible, but I would watch.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: It's funny because like usually it's like we'll bring someone
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: and I'll be like, let's talk about Twilight, Let's talk
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: about America's next top model, and um, when I was
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: like we should have Caleb as guest, we were like,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: what should we talk about? And I was like, well,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Caleb talks a lot about John Wyne Casey. Look, look
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to talk about And I did some research.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I watched like four episodes of the Peacock documentary Last
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  Speaker 1: Thank You, So I feel like I am terrorized. It's insane.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like I was you know, I was watching
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: my sister on screen. Yeah, my sister John yes, Sister
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: in Christ. John Wayne Gacy was first and foremost funny.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: He was funny. He like literally in those if you
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: watch there's a there's a long Peacock docuseries, then there's
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: now a Netflix one as well. I've watched both of them.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: John Wyn Gaycy has some of the funniest because they
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: have like interviews with him and he just would say
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: like he at one point was like it was like
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: everyone thinks that I did the clown stuff so that
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I could find victims, and that's not true. I did
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: clowning because it was fun. He's like, it's truly like
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: it's the same energy as if you just like photoshopped
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  Speaker 1: in like the drag Race confessional background, like it would
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  Speaker 1: work incredibly well. Which which one is better? Do you
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: think the Peacock one is better? The Netflix one? I
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: think probably the Well, it's hard because the Netflix one
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: is really like if you really want to get in
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the details, like they're like like they do like timelines
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and family like victim family involved. The creative direction is
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: a little better too, Yeah, the Netflix. The Netflix one
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: is like, um, I would say, more of an undertaking.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: So that's more about the totality of the victims, and
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel like the peacock one is more
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: about him. Yeah, yes, yes, okay, you hear from the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: victims families. I want, I want, I want both. I
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: also want more details about how he killed them. It's
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: not bad. I mean no, that's very you. I mean no,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: no offense. But you do have a lot of murderer vibes.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I've always something about you. Oh my god,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I say Rose has killed before, We'll kill you. That's
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: what I say. It's amazing that they were like that.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Everyone was like, wow, Clownary, that's so insidious, and He's like, no, no, no,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: you guys, I just genuinely loved clown. I just loved
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to He also says. He also says, um, people call me,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: people call me the gay killer clown. I'm bisexual. Yeah,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: thank you. I love that visibility for my community. Yeah,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: bisexual bisexual clowns. Just bisexual clown killer conrad sexual. Um.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I I learning the thing that the biggest
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: kind of like takeaway I got at least from John
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Wayne Daisy himself was like, look, look look like I'm
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: not like a bad guy, like not a monster. I've
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: just killed thirty three people, like it was a matter
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: of fact to him. It was like a thing he
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: did once. Yeah, I like when I'm they're talking to
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: him the documentary and his sister has found out that
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: he has been arrested, and she asked him if he
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: killed someone, and they still thought that he had only
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: killed one person, and she asked him, did you kill anybody?
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: And he went uh huh, like he didn't say yes.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: He didn't say no. He said sure did well. He
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: also yep, it's giving yes. He also went to he
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: went to prison. If you if for listeners, if you
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: um all my fans out there who are listening to um.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: He went to prison in Iowa for like committing like
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: a sex crime against a young boy. And then so
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to me and then he and then he in prison
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: like charms the staff. He like, they like start they
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: let him become the head chef. He like gets a
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: mini golf course and he literally gets a mini golf
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: course installed at the prison. Wait, and then they let
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: out that's like queer eye. He queer eye queer And
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: then they let him out early because they liked him
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: so much, like yes, and then he went to Chicago
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and killed a bunch of people came into federal prison
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: and he said, look, this wallpaper just will not do. Caleb,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: when did you fall in love with John Wayne? Yeah,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: was because I know that it's like a deep and
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: somewhat sexual kind of love, right, And I would refute that,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: but it's your podcast, so that idea. You heard it
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: here first, you heard it here first, Breaking Breaking. I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: mean basically, I really was like, I'm infatuated with the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: fact that he's fat. Like I was like, Oh, a
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: fat person who did something so evil. I think that's
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: so interesting because a lot of like a lot of
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: um killers I guess shouldn't say a lot, but there
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: are a number of killers who like won people over
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: by like like Ted Bundy, you know what I mean.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Like he was everyone said, Jeffrey Dahmer, Yeah, my god
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: was hot. No, I mean you're so sexy. You don't
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: kill people. Don't do that. As an aside, though, like
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: all every single documentary ever made about a murderer, like
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: it's always like people like but he was so classically handsome,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: like his blue eyes, he was and looks like a booger. Everyone,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: everyone with John and Gacy was like, well, he really
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: ran a parade you know, like he like organized a
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: parade in Chicago and people are really charmed by that.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, oh, that's fascinating to me. And
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: he lured people in by they worked for him. He
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: had a contracting company, one of many businesses. He also,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I think owned some kfc s. He was a CEO.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: He was Yeah, he was on his girl Boster forget.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: And he did the idea of being alive. He kept
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the idea of not being sexually assaulted and killed anyone
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: ended it. Okay, so you were fascinated by this charismatic
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: killer um and and what you know what, Like it's
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: funny because like I think the first or second time
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: we met you brought it up. I think maybe the
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: doc had just come out or something, and you I
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: didn't really know you the one I was like, why
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: is this guy talking about? But also that's like exactly
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: my like the thing I want to talk about, you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: like exactly where my humor lies. Um. But it what
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: was it? What? Why was it like fresh on your mind?
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Or like what why does it continue to? What are
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: you obsessed about with? There are two reasons. The first
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: is that the documentary came out then, so much more
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: about him. I've always like, in the time of knowing him,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: like what I probably learned about him high school, college
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: or something. I have been like, Oh, it's fascinating that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: he was such a he He's maybe one of the
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: big examples of a serial killer who had a true
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: double life. Like he was like a family man, a
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: business guy. He was like a community dude. His family
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: was in the house where he was hiding bodies. Yes,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and his wife, by the way, knew. She was like
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: she was like, I knew he had boys out there.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I just didn't know what he was doing. It's like
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: the boys come, they don't leave, babe. Can we draw
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: some conclusions like she knew? So anyway, So the documentary
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: come out. And then the second reason is I am
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: obsessed with the fact and I'm scared to say this
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: publicly because I don't want someone to do it before
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I get a chance to be a part of it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I am completely confused a byt the fact he doesn't
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: have a biopic. I here's the thing. I mean, I
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: think we talked about this when we first when we
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: first like when we were at that like bonfire thing,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and there is unfortunately satired he had and there's a
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: really good there's a really good movie in that. Yeah. Absolutely,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I'm shocked. Well because I think the closest that's come
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: is um the Freak Show season of American Horror Story
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: where they had the clown. But yeah, I am. I'm shocked.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Ryan Murphy, how haven't tried it? Probably just because John
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Wayne Gazy isn't hot. I'm I'm telling you, there's some
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: fat He's like, I can't cast any of the burnette
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: people with very defined eyebrows that I like to cast
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: in movies. Um, Like, he just kind of cast the
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: exact same guy, like over and over again. Right, It's like,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a bunch of brunettes. Well, hang on,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: have you seen that? Have you seen to have? I've
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: been on tumbled in the past twenty years. I think
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: that it's crazy. It's never biopic. I think the John
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Wayne Gacy biopic will go hard, like a gritty dark
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: like there, I'm it'll happen. I don't have That's how
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: you'll win your Oscar, Honey. If you think I haven't
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: said this before, I mean, biopics are a great way
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: to go if you want to win an Oscar. But
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the thing is okay, I know I saw Bohemian Rhapsody unfortunately,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: thank you. When actors actresses like decide to play murderers,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: it's always like why you know what I mean, because
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: they want to win awards, Like it's that that Charlie
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: has won her oscar you know she like got ugly
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: to play Eileen Warnos queen. Yeah. What always like when
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: zac Efron played I can't remember who he played, Ted Bundy,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: and then Evan Peters is going to be in the
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: New Ryan Murphy Jeffrey Dahmer. Evan Peters plays a murder
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and like everything I feel it's true. It's a way
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: to prove your seriousness. I think. I think people go
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: because like zac Efron needed to prove a seriousness from
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: the Disney era, right, Um, Like I think, yeah, it's
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: a way for people to go, oh they can actually
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: they can actually act, you know. I think it's like
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: a big turn for people and we love now well
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: now the culture is so much about um empathizing with
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the murderers and figuring out the psychology of why they
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: did what they did. We have this huge cultural preoccupation
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: with true crime. Um. I think both like fictional and
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: you know documentary, So yeah, I do. It does feel
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: like these two John Wayne Gacy shows are a sign
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that this is a story we will be exploring more,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: because I feel like we've had like five Ted Mundy things,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: We've had a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmer things. Now now
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's sending in the clowns, sending the clowns,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: send to send in the clown So how how would
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you play him? Uh? Well, do I have the Do
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I have the depth to play John Wayne Gacy? Absolutely?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: But but but do I have the desire? Yes? But
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: do I ultimately think it's gonna happen? I think so too.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: The movie about him would be a movie about the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: double life of it, all right, the charming like seeing
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: him as as the who the world thinks he is,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and then it has to be a very specific turn
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: when you see him as he actually is, like this
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: horrible monster. And I think there's a there's a part
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: in the documentary that it is a really good there's
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: a really good way to do it that I think
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: is the only way to do it. So unfortunately I'll
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: have to write the screenplays. Yeah, it's really because even
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: in the documentary um. When he's describing how he actually
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: killed people, it's still very like he's so normal. When
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: he's talking about the turn a kit he made to
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: strangle them, it's just like he's talking about, you know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: like one of his construction jobs. It's so matter of fact.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: And I just wonder what it was like when it
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: was actually happening. I wonder if he maintained that while
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: he was murdering these people, or if he became scary
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: scary clown killer the Netflix. The Netflix documentary talks they
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: interview a guy who got away. Yeah, the interview of victim,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: like a potential victim horrifying. Oh, I watched that area.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I watched. I watched documentaries about everything. Documentaries are like
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: mostly what I watched. And I will say that that
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: moment when he was talking about, like he talks about
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: when John Wayne Casey was probably about to kill him
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I had to turn, I was like, I actually I
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: cannot watch this right now. It was really horrifying. Yeah,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't watch it as soon as I was already
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: in a dark when we have to prepare for this
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: episode about a rough week mentally like been in a
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: dark place, I was like, oh great, now I have
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: to learn about John We were we frands the other night.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: We were emailing my therapist about Alexa proviscriped and like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like watching a Docky series about John Wayne Gaze.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: At the same time, I'm like, I don't know something
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: about my job, my chosen profession. The other night we
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: were at friends and like I was going through it
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and we were like trying to figure out something to watch,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and we were like, oh, we're recording with Caleb this weekend.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I guess we should try to watch the John Wayne
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Gayzy talk. And I think we both looked at each
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: other and we're like, not now now. I also want
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to let the listeners know. I have a couple of
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: notes for the listeners. The first is that the I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: was asked to do the podcast, I said yes, of
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: course I would love to the podcast, and then you
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: guys producer emailed me and said, we really think you
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: should do gay Killers. Don't have talked about anything. I
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: did not do that. I talked about anything. Emails Phoebe
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: pro user. Phoebe really pushed that hard. You are open
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: to anybody, like Pope said, we will die if you
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: don't do kill. What is the other thing you would
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: have done I would have done anything. I don't I
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: would have done anything. So so Brand's Brand's telling the
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: listeners like I was in a a dark place, but
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Caleb made me watch this for his episode. I'm like, please, baby,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I would have talked about I would have talked about
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the history of high heels. I would have talked about
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: an actress in a movie. No, okay, this is like
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: like a Virgin is a freeform podcast, okay, And for
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the Virgin at home, we we do not non consensually
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: forced topic sign two potential guests, producer Phoebe will be reprimanded.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Just kidding. We are a non punitive organization. We love
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: you had let's talk about I mean, I want to
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: talk more about but also like, what would the other
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: topics have been? Curiosity? Truly, I was truly. Phoebe was
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: like what about this? And I was like, I was like, yeah,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: that's fine. Like I was come talking about anything. What
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: would the other topics have been? I'll throw out some
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: right off the top. Julia Roberts in general, in general,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: she's done everything for us. Aeron Rockovich, she has Julia
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Roberts and like, the thing is that there are no
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: more Julia Roberts is there, will never be There will
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: never be never. And it's also so sad that she's
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: doing a show on like Cinemax right now or something.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I've never watched that Homecoming show with the wig. I
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: never will. I think this golden age of A list
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: actors on TV has maybe run on a little long,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: and I want them back back in theater. I want
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: it to be like how when you see previews now
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and they say exclusively in theaters and it sounds like
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: a threat because of COVID. That's what I want for
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Julia Roberts, exclusively in theaters. My put my A List
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: is back on the big screen. Yeah, Nsata Jones getting
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: her out of Lifetime movies up to the big screen.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: She's doing the thing about Pam. It's like this, like random,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: what is it on? Like I don't know, like sun
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Stream platform I've never heard of, and I'm like, oh, girl,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Kirsten Duns to that Fargo show, which, like I've heard
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: is great. But she's in movies. Yeah, needed to be back.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And here's what I will say also about TV and movies.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Julia Roberts is in the only in my opinion the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: only successful stage to screen adaptation ever, which is, of
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: course August so Stage County. Oly. It is the only
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: play that has ever been successfully and well adapted to
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: film and Meryl isms Meryll's Big Time in the thank
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: you it would not have been made without her and
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: miss Margot Martindale. Of course I never saw the movie,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: but I did see the original Broadway production, Thank you
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: for going. Yes, You're welcome, brave and supporting life theater
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: um August Age County as the only Okay, wait wait,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: but also I mean, does that so you're excluding like
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: angels in America? I guess that's kind of hard to
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: get through, Like you're talking some just plays or are
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: we including musical? Go ahead and include musical? Because go ahead,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: and you're going to tell me that Chicago, that august
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: s Age County is better than Chicago. I'll tell you
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: two things. First of all, yes, and second of all,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: for context, I've never seen Chicago. Oh my god. Either one.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I don't care. You don't need to see it on stage,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: but on screen you absolutely have to. It's the best
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: movie ever made. I I don't know. I don't know
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: about that, but it is. It is really good. Um, wait,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: there's another stage to screen one that I was thinking.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, that was actually really the musical parts
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: one into coming in. Never wait, I will give you
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: a really close second. I will give you a really
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: close second. It does not top August Stage County hair Spray,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: hair Spur Good hair Spray, got there. You know what's
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: a really dark fact about me is that when I
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: was in high school, I performed Good Morning Baltimore at
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the opening number from a hair Spray at mar Lagos
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: good Morning. No brand always says that saying too much
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: on this podcast, The Incredible Good give it up. He
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: wasn't there. I think I also didn't. I did not
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: perform a solo. It's not like I was Tracy turn
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: it was. It was a group number, but it was
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: at Marl. I did perform. I did perform at the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Fascist Tower. It was the King, wasn't There was a
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: fundraiser that was a really scary good impression by the way,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: that was terrified. It was a fundraiser for the n
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: r R. Yeah, I've never seen you there at Marl. Yeah.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I know. Well they don't let me in post transition. God,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I forgot about Yeah, she's the only one was Julia
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Roberts ever going a musical because like every like prestige
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: actor always tries to do a musical, I know. But
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: there was a On the flip side, there was a
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: musical adaptation of Pretty Woman that I saw a couple
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: of years ago, and it was one of the worst
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: pieces I've ever seen on stage. I could see that. Yeah,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: it was horrid. I could see that being the truth.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: And your favorite Julie Roberts movie is as if you
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: could pay I just um, I wasn't prepared for this
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: because Phoebe forced me to do Get Killer, my favorite
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Julia Roberts movie. Um, I'm gonna just have to say,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I do think it's mona Lisa smile. I never seen it, well,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I've never seen it, and it's all the girls are
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: in it right, Oh yeah, Kirsten dunns Um, Maggie, Jillan Hall,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Julia Stiles, Julia Styles of course canonically Julia Stiles say,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Julia Roberts, all the Julia's, every Juliet you could they really, Yeah,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: they gathered all the Julia's for that one. Yeah. Yeah, Um,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: that movie is great. But I'm surprised that that's your
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: first pick a favorite. It's Aaron. Aaron Brockovich is actually
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: maybe in like top five top ten movies for me.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Aaron Barkovich is amazing. It's a perfect film. I don't
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: like it because of the politics. Yes, Mine is my
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: best friend's wedding. Oh my god, the best rom com
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: ever made. One of the best Chicago movies ever made. Also, oh,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Chicago movie, it's worth I forgot that it's made in Chicago.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: You mean other than Chicago. That the movie? You do
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: you not see Chicago when you're from Chico. From Chicago.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I don't like musicals. Uh yeah, yeah, I don't like
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: because it's it's every time something, every time a feeling
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: gets too big, they start singing. But you know what's
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: interesting is I could definitely see a John Wayne Gacy musical.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Not only can you see that, you will see that.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Come on out? Can you sing um a little? Just
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: a little? You definitely can. I've heard it. I've heard
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: it before, just a little. I would give anything in
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: other than hard working commitment. I would give anything in
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the world to be a musician, and instead I do
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: comedy because that's easier. Musician, Like what kind of music?
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Oh god? You also talked a lot about Garth Brooks
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: when during at that fire I thought we were having
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: a cousual hang out. Fan remembers everything because I will
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: say something and she'll go, well, actually, last week you
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: said this about this. She clocks on the record. It's
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: it's on a podcast, available files everything away. She I
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: don't remember a single thing that happens once we record
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: an episode of this podcast, I like ejected from my
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: banking on. Yeah, I gotta go, yeah, yeah, I mean,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I love Garth Brooks. Garth Brooks is one of the
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: most sensational performers to ever live. And what was his
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: alter egos name Chris Gaines, which which was a bold?
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Which was a bold. Here's the thing, the girls don't
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: take creative risks like Garth Brooks anymore. Garth Brooks tried
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: to do an entire alter ego. What he was really wait,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: tell me more Garth Brooks in the I want to
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: say it's it is late nineties or early two thousand,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Garth Brooks does this alter ego? Now, Apparently it was
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: for and I don't know if this is just a
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: cover story they came up with. Apparently Garth Brooks was
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: going to be in a movie where he played this
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: this this like moody kind of rock musician named Chris
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Gaines who has like longer black hair and like a
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: black like goatee. What And he put out an album
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: as this person and like and it performed as as
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Chris Gaines an alter ego, and it was critically destroyed. Okay,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, but he's at the height
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: of it. It was a serve. And also people don't
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people understand Garth Brooks
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: was the most famous musician in the world. Like he
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: he was not just the biggest country arts in the world.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: He was selling out like the biggest stadiums in the
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: world three nights in a row. It was massive. He
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: he had the I think I think to date he
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: still has the biggest Central Park concert in history. I
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: don't think I could name one single Garth Brooks song.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily proud of that, but like, well, go
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: off for Garth Brooks to to fully like, um, it's
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: like Lady Gaga doing Joe Caled around for a whole album. Yeah,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: she was like, it's it's me Joe. But I think now,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I think now, like Garth Brooks could totally do that
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and get away with it. Yeah, I think I think
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: it was. I think it's cool to be at the
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: very top of your thing and have the kind of
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: fearlessness it takes to do something so counter to what
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: people want from you and so counter to what pays
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the bills. I think is like, that's actual artistry. Even
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: though that I like the Chris Gaines project, not really,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: but like I like the I like the energy of
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: being like I'm at the top of my game and
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: have the biggest musicians in the world. Suck at all,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna Also, Chris Gaines does have a little bit
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: serial killer energy for sure. It does a little to
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: get back on top. Let's get it back in the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: corner with a gun. Okay, I want to I wanted.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: She's usually in the studio. She's not here today. They
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: make it. What I want to know is your theory
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: on why are there's so many gay murderers? Yeah, what
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: is that? Being gay is a mental illness and that
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: must be said, and it's not normal. And so once
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: you allow yourself to go to that place, I think
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: it's easy to allow yourself to go to other crimes.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: It's a gayway thing pathologically, you know it, just it
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: makes clinical sense. Okay to be too. I know you're
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: being funny, but I do. But do do also think
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: that was dead? Si? I do. I know you're being funny, girl,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: but I do also think, especially in the seventies, like
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: when you are, when you have desires that are so
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: not normative in that social structure, like, isn't that much
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: of a leap to be like, well, people already think
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I should go to prison for fucking someone in the ass,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Like why didn't I just kill people? Well, okay, if
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: we're going to be if I have to be as serious,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: no no, no, no, no, we don't know no no no,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: but I will say the thing of it. I think
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of gay sociopaths. Whether or not
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: to become killers is another thing, but yeah, I know
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: many of them. I'm like, I I got a brunch
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: with these people. I The thing about growing up in
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: the closet is and so many more people did back
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: then in such a more intense way. You learn how
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: to mimic normal behavior, and you learn how to give
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: people what they want, right sociopath shit, And so if
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: you if you get good at doing that. I can
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: totally understand how it comes, how it becomes this thing
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: where like you, yeah, you you you're willing to do
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: things that other people aren't willing to do because you
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: truly believe you can hide it and please people and
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: give them what they want to see because you're used
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: to doing that, you know what I mean. You're gay
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: in like the sixties, seventies, and eighties, you have to
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: have a double life anyways, Like why not be a killer?
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Which is why he was killing other gay people? But
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: gays are still killing today. I was last night, I
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: was having dinner with some friends and one of them
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: was telling me that their ex boyfriend had a very
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: close brush with death from a gay serial killer because
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: he was supposed to go camping with like his personal
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: trainer and couldn't go last minute, And then the trainer
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: never showed back up at the gym, and they found
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: out later that the boys that he had taken into
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: the woods he had killed them. Yes, what, there's still
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: a bunch of yeah, yeah, did Johnny Casey eat anybody
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: that was that was bad that was not his? I
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: also think he's just like burying them. I also think,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: like if you're going to kill people and have like
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: bodies around, Like I kind of want to know what
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: it tastes. Like you're saying, if there was a dead body,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: you rose would eat something? Just a taste, just a
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: taste what you saying? Like I'm saying, like in you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: if I lived in like hostile circumstances like the movie
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Hostel or Yellow Jackets, Yellow Jackets or um that movie
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Flesh that just came out with Sebastian stand and like
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I had so much money and so much power over
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: people's lives, Like, yeah, I would want to try it.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I just saw a headline recently about a guy who
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: was like trapped at an elevator with his wife and
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: he killed her an eider. But they were in there
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: for like less than two days and he got in
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of trouble and he also like he had
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: a bag of trail mix and he was not in
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: the mood for that. He actually went to the elevator
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: with her dead body and a carving knife, and he's
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: like he's the one that made it stop. Okay, Well,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: like what you wouldn't just eat it raw? Though, would you? Like?
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: How would you I would cook it? How would you
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: prepare it. Um, I think I don't have an air fryer,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: and I'm not getting one for you know, I saw
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: a TikTok yesterday that said it, I would do literally
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: anything to have an air fryer, except by one, and
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: that it's exactly how I feel about it. Um. I
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: think I would make like a steak. I would want
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: to eat. I would want to eat the butt. Um.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: That's that's a big part of that movie, flesh Fresh,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Fresh Fresh. I think fresh, but it's like but I
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: saw after It's good. It's a good cut. I'm sure
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe some breast meat. I would maybe do like
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: a fried kind of fried chicken sandwich scenario, like a
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: fried sandwich, or a leg like you'd have like one
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: of the big turkey legs at Disney. But I mean
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: if I had to have someone God, speaking of turkey legs,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I got invited to the Renfair. Have you? Oh God, No,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: are you kidding you? Oh? I can't stand it. I'm
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I'm on your side here and I can't stand it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I love it, but you want nothing
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: but to be close to you. No, I said. My
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: friend text me and said, do you want to go? It?
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Was a bunch of people I love. She said, you
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: want to go with me and a bunch of people
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: you love? And I text back and I said, that
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: sounds horrible. Okay, well, if that happens again, text me.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I'll say that sounds like a nightmare to me. But
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: my friend Rose, whom you don't know, must she's not
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: gonna see She's not gonna go with you. She's not
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: gonna say hi. You won't know her, she will. Yeah,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I mean the inevitable question. Honestly, if we're getting on
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: the topic of cannibalism, it's like if you so, if
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: you were a serial murderer, a serial gay murderer, like
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: how what what would the double life be? How would
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: you be hiding bodies? Definitely not in the basement of
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: my own house, I can tell you either, Like why
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: would you do that? All of these murders like hid
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: stuff in their own house, like talk about barrier gaze,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: like that really was it. I wouldn't do it because
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I'm such a moral person. I just never get to
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: that place. Okay, But if you did too, I think, uh,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: because I think that's not true, and I think you
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: would you find out on an actual killer actually maybe
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: tests too much. The lady doth protests too much. I
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: think actually the house makes sense now that I think
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: about it, like it is your place. You control who
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: goes in and out. But then the thing about John
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: wayn Gaesy is he started inviting the cops over for dinner.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's great, let's have a little he got uncomfortable.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I do think he wanted to get caught
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: for sure. He just want work. It's just not well.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: That's the thing with a lot of serial killers is
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: they do want like sociopaths, they want that recognition. And
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: also I think a lot of them must understand that
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: it's not sustainable. They will get caught at some point,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: and so they might as well put on a little show.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: That's why they'll go dormant. Sometimes serial killers will go
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: dormant for years and then be like I just can't stop,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: And then they go back. I'm like, oh my god,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: you got away with it. You if you were if
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: you went doring for twelve years and then came back
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: to it, you were away with it. You were done.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: You could have been free of it all. But then
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: they just do it again, and I feel like, I mean, maybe,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: but you know, if he wanted to get caught. I'm
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: sure like he got caught in the headlines RAND that
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: week and he was like, you know, what representation matter.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: But then it's interesting when you see the footage of
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: him like in handcuffs, his heads down, it's like he
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't want anyone to see him. Um he did he
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: tried to kill himself or I think, But I wonder
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: if maybe that was all just part of the show.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: He went to his father's grave and was going to
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: kill himself over his father's grave when they apprehended. But
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I think he's too much of a narcissist. I don't
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: think he actually wanted to die. No, No, for sure not.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: He Also it was like when he was in prison,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: he would beat up people for being gay. He was weirdly.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: He was weirdly. He was weirdly homophobic, you know, hilarious.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: He's dead now, right, Yes, he died. I want to
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: say he died, well did he eventually? I don't know
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: if they actually got gave him the death penalty, if
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: he died of a heart attack. Rest in power. But
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: he died. Not that um I was reading about, because
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: they all they found everything at his house or whatever,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and I was like, what the funk happened in that house?
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: They fully like the house continued to sell and resell,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: like obviously it was like on the market for a
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: very long time, but like it literally sold last year.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Would you would you spend a night there? Never? I
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: mean if was paid, yes, but in god real estate,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: no you're not. You're not being paid. If I was
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: like fran I got us an Airbnb and it was
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: John Wayne probably is an Airbnb. It's probably like a
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Joshua Tree esque like gentrify, like you know, cactus and
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: a little terrarium. Would you go? Would you go for
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the gag? No? Would you spend a name Johnny Gas?
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I'm gathering I would for the weekend a
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: weekend quick? What would you What would you do there? Um?
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: You know, I'd like sleep in, read some books, maybe
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: like do a tarot reading. You wanted to summon the
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: spirits of all the twinks he murdered on the lamy
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: want to help me move on? It's like a circuit
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: party up in there, just with ghosts. That's what ghost
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: circuit party. Yeah, it's like it's like a drag race viewing.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: You do it on a Friday. That's the thing about Yeah,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I'm hosting at John Wayne Gacy's house. I feel like,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: even even if you don't have like an ounce of
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: superstition in your body, what would move you to buy
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: this house? Like being four dollars? Real estate's crazy real estate.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: It's crazy wa Chicago. Yeah, I was. I've been watching
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: The Staircase on HBO. Have you watched it? I watched
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: the original doc. I haven't seen that. I've never seen
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: the original doc and I really want to watch the show.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: So the show is about a documentary that was made
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: about Michael Peterson, who allegedly killed his wife. Um. It
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: was a documentary series that was made by some French filmmakers. Um.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: This all happened in two thousand one, and now this
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: is an HBO show about all of this, starring Colin
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Firth and Tony Collette. The most recent episode, Colin Firth
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: is in prison and they're trying to you know, get
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: money for his defense and appeals, and they're selling his
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: house and like they have a huge mansion and they're
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: saying that they they're going to have to sell it
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: for like way under asking because of what happened there
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I don't know. I feel like
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: there's some sickos out there who would pay more for
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: a house. That's what I was going to say. It's
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: like a historic like s Mark. Yeah, at least market value.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Also someone someone has died everywhere. Yeah, that's the point.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Definitely died in this room. I had Did you do it?
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: You do? I mean like you are on record on
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: this podcast threatening to kill people was like, I know,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: at least to the tea where people have. Um. I like,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: while I was looking at John and gazy stuff, I
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: also got into the Lorraina Bobbitt case. Do you know
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: about Lorna Bobbit by any chance? She's the woman that
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: chopped off the off She got the dick off. Her
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: husband's name was John Wayne, John Wayne Bobbitt. Isn't that crazy?
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: And John Wayne was like the twenty nine most popular
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: name in the sixties or something. Yeah, I am my.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: My mom's said of family was big on like John
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Wayne lore So that kind of like tracks to me.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: But um, yeah, the Lorena Bobbit thing was kind of
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: crazy because, like everyone the whole story like at least well,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I mean funny back story for me. My sister. She's
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: three years younger than me, but she was born the
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: same year that the Lorena bomba like kind of thing happened.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: It was like a huge, like newsy sensation that like
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: very narrowly preceded Tanya Harding's like big like media blow up.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: And my sister's name when she was born was Lorena,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: and my parents like literally named her Lorena, and then
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: this like story essentially emerged and my parents were like
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: just kidding. Her name is Marissa now and they legally
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: changed her name to like something different because of this woman.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: But Lorena is such a cute name. Yeah, Lorena is
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: a really cute name. And my sister and I really
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: love like the Lorena Bobbitt story now because, like I mean,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: in the like news media sensations of it all, like
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: it was like a woman chopped guys dick off and
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: threw it in the field and like that was it.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Like she went crazy she had had it with him
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: or whatever, but like she was like a victim of
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: like marital rape and like he was a huge asshole
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: and all this different stuff, and so like she's kind
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: of become this like weird like feminist, maybe not a
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: feminist like people are, Yeah, people are girl bossing her
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit, which is like I don't think that's
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: the move, but like I think it is. You think
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: like a time to girl boss Lauren. Yeah, because like
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I stand Eileen Warnos. Yeah, yeah, any sort of girl murderer. Um.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: But John Wayne bobbitt Um, after this whole like debacle happened,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: went off to produce two different porns starring himself, one
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: of which was autobiographical about the Lorena Bobbit's Right And
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: it was an hour and fifteen minutes long and I
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: watched a lot of it. It was crazy. Did you
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: like it? To be honest? Did you jerk off to it? No?
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: It was like pretty much the low friend. Definitely, the
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: energy and the energy of the studio right now is
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: such that I mean the table just lift it. To
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: be honest, it was like the it was like the
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: least stimulating porn ever. Like these girls like it was
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: kind of like, then, why have you now positioned your
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: entire sexuality? Well, his like his his dick is like, um,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: pretty small, and so they like go to town. Okay,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not size shaming. I'm just saying that, Like these
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: girls kind of like it's like a kind of group
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: sex scenario, and these girls go to town on his
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: flaccid penis for like too long of a time. It's
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: like I was like, this is not what I watched.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Does it eventually get hard? Yes, it does eventually get
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: hard and he ends up having sex. But like, what's
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: funny is something about to learn about the case. Was
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: that um, she made the mistake of in her like
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: first police interviews saying that um, he could never make
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: her come, and so when she said that, of course,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: the national story was like he could never make her hump,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: so she chopped his dick off or whatever. And so
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: in the actual point, he comes very quickly. But like
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: the whole story that he produces in the first porn
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: about his life like this like a woman plays Lorena
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: and he tells basically his side of the story through
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: point you were just there. Abut Um, the fact that
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: this is your favorite porn, I love that. I love
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: that this horrible person made art out of his trauma. Um,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: it's so powerful. Is the power of art. A biography
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: told through porn is very tempting. I will say, like
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: that is something that you were inspired It would be
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: a fun creative challenge. You know, we can hire a
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: lot of our friends. We have a lot of friends
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: that are in porn. Sure, sure, yeah, we're recording at
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: the porn Star right after this. Yeah. Yeah. And and
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: also during this, you've actually a lot of porn out there. Yeah,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: and it's all extremely off putting their story and not
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: in the good one. Well maybe you could do with
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: John Wayne gay sy porn. No, oh, people would kill people.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: People wish autobiographical porn. I assume. Oh yeah, my life
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: story is very present and infused in the projects I
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: call them projects. So there's not only a lot of
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: gay real gay killers. So I feel like, especially in
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties, there was a cultural preoccupation with
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: queer murderers in movies. So like Silence of the lamb
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Um Dressed to Kill, I mean a lot of it
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: was like there's a big trope of like trans murderers.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I love Silence of the Lambs, which I had only seen.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I've only seen for the first time, like within the
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: past year and a half. I've never seen it. You've
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: never seen it? Oh my god? Have you have you
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: seen Silence in multiple times? Do you love? I do?
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: I really, really really love Inthony Hopkins performance. So it
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: just is it's like, it's amazing. It puts the lotion
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: on its skin. It puts the lotion on its skin.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I mean truly. The energy between Jodie Foster and Anthony
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Hopkins in that movie is just like I could watch.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I could watch him sitting in a cage and her
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: sitting on a chair talking. That could be a five
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: hour movie that I would watch. Yes, have you heard
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: of the TV show Hannibal. I've heard of it. Okay,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: So there's a TV show Hannibal that's like a Silence
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: of the Lamb's kind of spinoff, and in it, Hannibal
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Lecter has this sort of psycho sexual relationship with a
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: male FBI agent this time who's played by Hugh Dancy,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Clara Daines's husband, and it is one of the shows
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: that has the biggest fandom on Tumblr. There's so much
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: fan fiction written about it. They also are canonically gay
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: in the show, um, but I don't know if they
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: were kissed. Also, Gillian Anderson in it, and at one
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: point she eats her own leg. Gillian Anderson eats her
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: own leg. Yeah, why need to watch it? I'm not
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Hannibal Lecter. It's people do things. Wait, do you guys,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: have you guys watched any or all of the following? No?
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: What is the following is? And you really, really, you
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: guys should watch this virgins please please, I'm making you
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: guys watches and somebody the show has been canceled for
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: years now, somebody save it. The following is got three
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: seasons on FX. It is uh. It is a Kevin
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Bacon vehicle. Kevin Bacon plays an FBI agent who has
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: a sordid, deep history personal history with the serial killer
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: played by an actor whose name I can't remember right now.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I remember the show you're talking about. And the serial
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: killer has a cult following who will kill for him
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: as well. So there's this deep I mean it's it
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: really is like so there's a there's there's a gay subplots,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: there's like these two killers. So it follows Kevin Bacon
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: and his journey with the serial killer and then also
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: his cult followers and what they're doing and with his
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: cult followers. He's so he's essentially an influencer, big time,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: big time. He got on his live and he was
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: like a fens today we're going to be murdering this person.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: What do you think. When I was a kid and
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I got to pick my special birthday meal, it was
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: always lobster. You are going to be horrified when I
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: tell you what mine was my special birthday again, shout
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: out to people who grew up without money. I didn't
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: even try to pick something special. I literally knew what
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: was available to us. My special birthday meal was um
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: beani weeenies. What is that? Beanieenies? Is where you This
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: is so disgusting. You caramelize like you like caramelize brown sugar,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: and then uh put cut up hot dogs in it,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: and then you put that in baked beans and make
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: it up that. I was like, I was like birthday.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: I was like, cook up the hot dogs and put
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: him in the beans by first class. I mean I
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: was literally so excited too. I was like, cut him up, bitch.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I was like, let's go, it's my day. Have you
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: made that that for yourself as an adult now? Absolutely well?
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: I haven't had it in years now When I um, well,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I guess I guess I had. When I was really
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: really broken Chicago, I would sometimes be like, this is
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: actually special, this is really good. I like this. I
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: definitely should make it for yourself tonight. You wish I
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: could need something that would make me, that would make
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: me ill, But I think you could. You could twist it.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: You could get like a really nice sausage from like
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Full Foods or like Gelson's Thank You, some artisanal baked beans,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: like brown sugar that's like been chopped off a rock.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I have been making. I have
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: been making a stir fry recently that I'm really kind
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: of getting up. I get. I don't know if you
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: guys do this, but I get I'll make something new
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: and I'll be like, oh, that was pretty good, And
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: then for the next month, every time I cook, I'll
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: make it and make it pilot yeah, over and over again.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: And it's I'm doing that with right now, with a
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: starfry that has a sausage and black beans in it. Okay.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: I want to have solidarity with you with for kids
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: that did not grow with a lot. I will say
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: my birthday was not that we weren't that desperate my parents,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: like they always tell this story about so my parents
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: were not ready to have me. I was like a
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: honeymoon baby and they were like fun. Now we got
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: to pay for a kid, and they were like, you know,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: I think a one bedroom apartment. And they all they
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: did love me enough to make more than hot dogs.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I will say give them credit at least I'm like
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: some flop in the room. It is. It is a
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: really sad meal. Like there's all but like I feel
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: like what my parents like when it comes to like
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: sad meals and stuff. My parents like really um. Their
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: first meal like as a couple. They always told me
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: after they found out that they had me they were
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: going to have me as a baby, was a you
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: know baghette, like a French bag at, like when I'm familiar,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: ninety cents from a block of cheddar, cheese, avocado, rotisserie
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: chicken and lime. Oh so this is where your love
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: of rotisserie chicken. I love so literally every and that
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: was there, Like that was there, like this meal costs
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: five dollars and we'll stretch over three days or whatever,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: and this is what we can eat. And like growing up,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: that was like my ship and I did request it
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: all the time. For my birthday. I want to back
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: at I want to go to and now it is
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: kind of like the rotisseri chick in Sandwich. Now it
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: is like kind of like a comfort meal to me. Like,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: would you guys Dad asked to Paris for me tonight
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: midnight in Paris? Um, yeah, I mean we we let's go.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: What what are we doing in Paris? Are you happy
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: to be in Paris? What if you guys want? I
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: guess we should go to like, um, what's that like
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: famous burlesque show. That's no, not that one, the other
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: the Cat. It's called the Cat. I'll figure it out.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: I can't remember, but I went, you're thinking of the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Eiffel Tower. Yeah, yeah, there's that, you know that that
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: tits and a straw to the Louver. So we should
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: go to the Louver. No boom. I love museum. I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: love museums. No, museums are objectively more, guys, you're both
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: pretending people that I listen to Frank Ocean's Bond album
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: at museums, I walk around into the paintings. Tonight, I
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: forced myself to have an experienced. I read the little
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: like read That's what I tell you about the artist's life.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I Jean Pierre was suicidal. I was like incredible. Also,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: the thing is when you're in a foreign country at
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: museums have free WiFi, thank you. It's a great place
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: to spend a couple of hours checking Instagram. I can't
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: believe you run a culture podcast and you have the
• 1:01:28
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• 1:01:32
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• 1:01:34
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• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: to flee the country. Let's get out of here. Tell
• 1:01:47
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• 1:01:49
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