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I Hate Soccer #98 - Katelyn Longino, the women's head coach at Grand Valley State University · I Hate Soccer with Jason Collinsworth

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  SPEAKER_02: Caitlin Longino is the head coach at Grand Valley State University.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_02: If you know anything about Grand Valley State, I jokingly say it's the University of North Carolina for Division II women's soccer.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_02: They've won seven national titles.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_02: She is going to be entering her second year at Grand Valley.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_02: And she spent the previous seven years with Dave Deanni at uh the University of Iowa, where they won two Big Ten tournament championships, and uh I think they had like four NCAA tournament appearances.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_02: She is the brains behind the Enneogram testing that they do at well, Dave Dionni does it now in Michigan, and she uh has a psychic background, and she brought that to the University of Iowa, and we really get into the specifics of how to build a roster, how to build relationships, how to build a culture based on the type of personality that you have.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_02: How do you talk to people uh that are that have a certain type of personality?
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_02: And this is a great episode about just building team culture.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: Had a blast.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_02: She gave me a tour after of the entire of the entire campus.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_02: And Grand Valley, if you haven't been there, it is one of the prettiest campuses out there.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_02: And they have I mean, they have division one, uh they have a division one setup out there.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I mean their football, their indoor football facility was donated by Brian Kelly.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, we all know who Brian Kelly is.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: But this is a great episode.
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  SPEAKER_02: As always, please like and share and subscribe.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're about 500 short of that 5,000 mark uh that I want to hit by Christmas.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: So enjoy getting to know Caitlin Langino.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: I hate soccer.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, 15 months.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_02: Why did I think you were here longer?
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I don't know.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, Katie was here from Illinois.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um before that, Jim was here for a year.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then Jim Collin from and then, of course, Jeff and Dave, who spent, you know, a majority of their time really building this program and making it a national championship caliber.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: Dave won three national championships, Jeff won three national championships, now they're competing in the Big Ten.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Katie's similar story.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: Now she's at Illinois.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so some really good coaches have had their hands in touching this program.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_02: Katie's at Illinois?
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: Head coach?
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's like the pathway.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's like it's so for a while in football, Central Michigan was like that.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: If you went to Central Michigan, then your next job would be like Notre Dame or whatever.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: And that's kind of like what Grand Valley is just breeding.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, yeah.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's definitely amazing coaches that have come along the pathway.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: But for me, um, and I think what's really important for my staff as well, is this is home.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I think any place that you work should feel like that, whether you're in the athletics world, whether you're in your your own career, where is home?
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: Where is a place that you enjoy coming to work every single day?
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: And you believe in what we're doing.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think we have a staff that is on board and that is invested.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: We have a staff that had likes to have fun together.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we like to be excited, enthusiastic about coming to training every day, and our team loves that.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I wouldn't want it any other way.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so for me, this is home.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: I grew up playing Division II.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I played down at uh Columbus State University with uh Jason Endlich, uh, amazing guy, amazing coach.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: I have had so many amazing mentors and people in my life that have just helped me learn along the coaching journey.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: And it really started with him.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: I had a good club coach before that in Atlanta, um, but I went down to Columbus State, um, had some injuries that were very hard to overcome.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, I kept showing up every single day and learned to love serving and empowering young women, and that's where my heart for coaching came from.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_02: How old were you with the injuries?
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: I really didn't have much of a college career.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I tried my freshman and sophomore year and really just became a student assistant and started coaching at yeah, 20.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's because you're amazing.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_02: Because you're seeing all of the behind the scenes and you're watching from the sidelines all the time, and you're just watching it from a coach's perspective almost.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: And to be under the people that I was at that staff, you know, Roddy Tanaskovich was there who um went to Louisville, Iowa, Chicago Red Stars.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: Now he's at UGA, which is back home in Georgia for him.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um to Nick Zimmerman.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um I was under Nick Zimmerman, who's now the head coach at Florida, um, and Jay, who's who's still there and does a tremendous job with that program each and every year.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: They go to the NCAA tournament um all the time.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, in 2015 we were lucky enough, I was on staff, that we played Grand Valley in the national championship game.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh in Pensacola, and uh Grand Valley beat us 2-0.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, small little world?
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: That was 2015.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: So it was Jeff's first year.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_02: Jeff's first year.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: Got it.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: How where else right before Iowa?
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: Where were you?
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I spent majority of my career so far at Iowa.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um I was at Valparaiso University.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I was their first assistant there.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh let's see, that would have been uh 2016, 2017.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_02: Were you there with Daniel Klitinovichi?
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: No, it was not.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was Valpo.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_02: Wait a minute.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_02: Valpo.
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  SPEAKER_00: John Maravich was a head coach there.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_02: Did you get a flash kit from there?
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um my gosh.
• 6:22
  unknown: Oh my god.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's Bridget Malloy.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_02: She might have been after me.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_02: I might be thinking Villanova.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: I might be thinking Villanova.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, so I had a great start there.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh before that, I was at Xavier University in Cincinnati.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: So all of a sudden I go from Atlanta to Cincinnati to Valparaiso.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then, you know, Dave called and I was like, well, uh, yeah, oh, I'm coming.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: And um, our head coach at the time was very supportive, which meant the world to me.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think it's always hard when leaving a place where you love the people, right?
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I was doing so at that at when I was leaving to go to Iowa.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so um, yeah, then I was at Iowa when I was I don't know, must have been 23, 24, Jason.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_02: And then did you apply?
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_02: Was that open, or did he just did Dave just know you and be like, hey, I want you to join my staff?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so small world.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um Roday Tanaskovich that I worked with at Columbus State.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, made his way to Louisville and Iowa.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: So he was at Iowa.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: Meantime, while I'm at Valpo, I worked a few camps at Iowa, started to get to know the staff a little bit, just because I knew Roday, right?
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: And hey, come on over, it's a four-hour drive, like spend the day spend the weekend with us, you know, running sessions and those sorts of things.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I I loved it.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like I run sessions, I would just get to know people and network.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, Molly Rouse at the time, um, who is now at Washington State, she w left and went to Minnesota, which was her alma mater.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it was in July.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I think I was one of his first phone calls and came in for an interview, and things moved pretty quickly.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, all of a sudden, I think I was there like 10 days prior to preseason, which, you know, all the coaches out there know that uh that's not very much time to kind of transition in.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: But um Dave was gracious, Roddy was gracious as I learned kind of the ropes, really my first year, and um I'm just incredibly grateful for my time there.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's made me who I am, um, being mentored by great people, and um, yeah, we had some really good success there as well.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: When hold on.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: You came straight from Iowa.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: And then they're gone the year after.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: Does that make you feel a little bit better of like having to leave that kind of environment?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I I I think it's interesting.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I look back at my time in Iowa and I'm so grateful for who I was around and for what we did.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's a lot of things that people from the outside looking in probably aren't aware of.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: But we built an operations building.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Dave built an operations building.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we started to win more games, get into the NCAA tournament.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: We won two Big Ten championships there.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: We made it to the Sweet 16, and so ultimately the foundation of that is all about relationships and being able to invest in those people.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so when you leave a place that are your people, it's hard.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter if it's for a better job, it doesn't matter if it's an hour away.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: Change is really hard to go through.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I was in Iowa City where it was home for me.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I had friends, I had a rhythm, um, I loved what I did.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so coming here to Grand Valley, there was no doubt in my mind that this was the best decision for me.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: And this is the best job for me.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think that that was what was really important as I was making decisions on what I wanted next in my career.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um and it was really about what was what was the space that I was gonna be successful?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: What was the space that I was gonna be supported?
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: What were the spaces that I was gonna have the resources that I need?
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: And Jason, the bottom line is I I I love to develop people, and my second favorite thing is winning.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_02: Think about okay, so this is your first head coaching job.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: Not many get to walk in and have the resources that you have.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: No, because most of the time a lot of times you you have to win and then you get the resources.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like you said, they've built the uh the support, or what was it?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, yeah.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: He built the operations billet.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: The operations building.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we got two more staff members while we were there at Iowa, which you know how valuable that is to what we're doing.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um I have a full staff here.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Full staff.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: And amazing.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Three assistants, director of ops.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: You have a director of ops, too.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Director of ops, yeah.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_02: How how many D2 programs have that?
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure there's any.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um I count on one hand.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: And that's just going back, like how how much did Dave play a role in you getting this job in terms of you need it, you need to go there, you need to go to Grand Valley.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm sure you did you have options?
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I did.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um often.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, Dave is somebody that he is not gonna say, hey, go do this, or hey, go do this.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: He's gonna ask me questions of, hey, what do you think?
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, here's what I saw there.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Here's you know, I did have a bit of an inside scoop with how he was um, you know, helping the program and what he knew about the program and the people he knew here, but ultimately what I greatly appreciate about Dave was he always has my best interest in mind.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um we had several conversations of like I'm happy with where I'm at, I don't really want to leave, but like, is this really a situation that you can walk away from?
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: And um at a place where, you know, I want to be here for a long time.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: I want to build this program, I want to win national championships, and I believe that we are set up very well.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not just about soccer.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: We have seven national championships.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, our school has 33 national championships.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: We've won three or four just in the 15 months that I've been here.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think we won one in the first, yeah, first like two or three weeks I was here.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, man, this is a different place.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: This is a place of winners.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: This is a place that people are like-minded, um, that people want to collaborate, help each other, and all compete and win games.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I love about it is the coaching staff, the people, the even the players that get to interact with our girls and we get to go watch other teams play is just an amazing experience to be able to have.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so when you talk about just the places that felt like home and the places that felt like I was gonna be successful in being able to pour into young women and to build those relationships.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: And when you go back to that, it brings me back to the resources of I needed a full staff to be able to operate a program that is intentional, uh, that is detailed, and that is relational-based.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: And what it really allows us to do is spend more time with our athletes.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where the magic happens.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: What's your background psychology?
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I got my um bachelor's in exercise science, actually.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: So kind of the nutrition track.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um I kind of I love sports science, learned a lot about that, you know, really dove into it from some of my injuries and those sorts of things.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: Got my master's in coaching education um and leadership.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, have have had some great just moments of self-awareness, self-development built within those.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: And um I'm very grateful for yeah, the education.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: And at heart, I'm a learner.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: I still have a lot to learn.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: I love if I don't know something, I'm gonna figure out, you know, how to do it or the information around it.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I think that's just a really fun journey that I love to be a part of is I I am nowhere near where I need to be as a coach, but every day I learn something new, and and every day I come to work and I enjoy what I do.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: And your path, you were kind of forced into it.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_02: You were forced into it because you couldn't play on the field anymore.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I think, did you know going into college that you wanted to coach?
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: Or did the injuries spawn that?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, great question.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, actually, as a freshman, I was a criminal justice major.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I did not know that I wanted to go into coaching, and it only took me about six months to figure out that it wasn't criminal justice.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um and you know, I started to learn things about me, and um, I think college was a very life-changing time for just learning what I loved and what I enjoyed, um, and how many players you can impact and the people that you can impact in those spaces.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so it was really an eye-opening experience.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um I was very blessed while I was in college to not only be on a part of the soccer program, but I was also in this program called servant leadership.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, not a lot of schools have it, and essentially every semester we're going through classes that are built around learning to serve and leading and having tough conversations.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and some of the things that we did over the course of our four years was a couple personality tests.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: And that's where the Enneagram is that how you say it?
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: Enneagram, Enneagram, Enneagram?
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_02: And okay.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: Once once Dave brought that up, and then oh, I gotta look up that book.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna look up that book in a second.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um once he brought that up, and then he brought you up, I'm like, oh, she's next.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: I gotta I gotta reach out because I'm trying I have like this Michigan big board of everybody that I want to talk to, and I'm just trying to hit like USL, like USLW, obviously division one, division two, there's everybody, and I'm just like, okay.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then it's just like the proximity principle is like I talked to Dave, I need to talk to Caitlin next because I want to learn more about this.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: When with the personality tests, how did that how do you build or how do you okay, just go into it because I want to know the importance of making sure that you don't have too many ones, too many nines, like Dave said.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: That balance, yeah.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, for me, so I you know, I was introduced um to a couple of different personality tests.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: We actually started with the MBTI uh and the servant leadership program.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's you can kind there's a lot of them, and they all focus on different things, right?
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's the strength finders, there's a disk assessment, uh, the Enneagram, lots of different varieties of just a tool to be able to learn about yourself and become more self-aware.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: And that was really the journey that college is is how much of somebody learning about who they are and what they want to be and how they want to, you know, interact with human beings.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so for us, um, you know, it's something that I experienced in college and it changed how I was able to communicate and problem solve with the people around me.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: It gave me a language to be able to connect with somebody else and go, hey, I'm I'm wired this way.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, I'm I'm an introvert.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: I need I need five minutes.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: Just give me five minutes of rest, I'll be re I'll ready to be ready to go.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Or um, hey, you guys go do that.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna get some rest and you know do my own thing for a little bit.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: So it really created within our friend group and and team a way of communicating that I started to understand them and they started to understand me.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, if I had you know friends that were a seven and a three, and I'm an Enneagram five, how do we interact?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: How do we create language about what our motivations, what our desires are?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so for us, it was really just a self-discovery process where I grew so much respect for the people that were around me, and I really started to understand their why.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: How often do we miscommunicate in the world because we don't know somebody's intention?
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: And just think about on the soccer field alone, and we avoid communicating.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: We avoid talking.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to bring this up, I don't want to bring that up, I don't wanna, I don't wanna I'll talk to them tomorrow, I don't want to deal with it today.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: And we just avoid stuff.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: Do you find that people try to change who they are?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: Once they find out.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's interesting.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I I think it's interesting to, you know, I think a couple things that are really important that I always say when we're talking through these these types of things is number one, uh, I'm no expert.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, number two, this is not meant to put you in a box of like, ooh, this is you.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: And you can't be creative or you can't be somebody different, right?
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then ultimately we just talk about it being a tool, it's not your identity.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: Same with soccer.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's not who you are, it's not who you are, but this is just a methodology and a way of learning more about things that you might not be able to put words to.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: I mean when did okay, so the serve the servant leadership classes or or the group.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: What were what was the big how how do they want you to serve?
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think ultimately it was about putting the people first.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um regardless of what you did.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: And the and like that's kind of the relationship side of things as well, is where that serving comes out.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: And for us at the time, it was about the relationships within the community.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um being able to go out, you know, serve elementary schools, being out going to Habitat for Humanity.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was that pathway of service that quite honestly, I learned a lot about myself in as well.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I also think that is also a journey of learning about other people.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, tell me your story.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: Why are you why are you here today?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a place where you know you go volunteer or you go give back.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Those are often the places you're not on your phone, you're not distracted by the outside world, and you actually engage in some meaningful conversations.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I learned so much in that that time in my life.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, so much that has carried me along the way uh for my coaching journey.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: And it really just starts with being able to truly care about the people that you're leading.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: Are you able to like you say you're not an expert, but do you can you figure out what somebody is without the test?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting pretty dang good.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: I am, um, which is a lot of fun, you know.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Ultimately, uh, Enneagram is there's nine different personality types, numbers one through nine.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: There are layers and layers to the Enneagram test that I love.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: You can you can read a book on it, you can and still be missing information.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um Ultimately, the main ideas is you know, one through nine.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Then you have wings.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: So your wings can either be the number that's just to the right of you or just to the left of you.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: So uh the top starts at one, goes all the way through, nine back on the other side as well.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're an Enneagram one, your wing can be a two.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: Or a nine.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: Or a nine.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, exactly.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and what the numbers represent are core motivations, uh, core desires, core personality trends.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so for example, your Enneagram ones, they're very do-it-right people.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they are not gonna be your your rule breakers, they are meticulous, they have habits um that lead them to success.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a five.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: You're a five.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: Dave is a three, JP is a three.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Kyle is a one.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so lots of really fun things to be able to embrace in that.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Enneagram twos, those are your kind-hearted, servant people that will do anything for anybody else before they put themselves first.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Enneagram threes, your achievers, your your competitors, Enneagram 4s, um your creative side of things where they are very like emotionally in tune to things, they're creative.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: Enneagram 5s, they're very logical, analytical, uh, innovative.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Enneagram 6, they're the loyalist.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: So if you want somebody that you know is always going to be along your side and show up for you in hard times, those are really good people to be around.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Enneagram 7s, um they they have a lot of fun.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: They're they're really good human beings, but they're your spontaneous ones.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, let's go grab lunch.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, hey, let's go play spike ball, which is a really important piece of when you talk about team culture, being able to have those teams.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: You want some of those.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: Then you have the Enneagram eight, they're the challenger, they're your natural leader.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then you have the Enneagram nine, which is a bit more of your peacemaker.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: So when you think about the Enneagram nine and all those numbers one through nine, it's about how each is complementing each other.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's about how you're working together to create a balance and an understanding amongst those things.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I wanna I need to take it because I want to know.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: But like so, when you have a staff of five people, four or five, there's a there's a way that you can, if you wanted to, yep.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: You can almost hit every number because of the wings.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, do you ever think about that?
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: Do you do you build your staff like that too?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: Or I think about it.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, your staff, your team, all all the above, right?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, how people work together and collaborate is really, really important.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that would ever be a reason that I wouldn't hire somebody, vice versa, right?
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but for me, it's really about using it as a tool to better understand how my staff operates.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, me to better build a connection with them, me to understand, you know, what are the things that are important to them that I can bridge the gap on, that I can make sure I'm mentoring them in or connecting with them on.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I think those things are are really, really important to who we are and how I communicate not only with my staff, but it branches out to the players.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: If I understand our players a bit better, I know how to coach them a bit better.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: And you when you're talking to somebody, do you it sounded like you came from a position of how you are?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm an introvert, so this is how I I need five minutes or whatever.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: Do you uh always start the conversation with like look, this is where I'm coming from, this is how I think, and then go, or do you know that they're they're an eight and that they're the the the leader, and you just try to change how you talk to them?
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, or is it both?
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: For me, I believe that the self-awareness process, I believe it starts with really getting to know yourself first, yeah, and then building your social awareness.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: So, now how does that relate to the people around you?
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: To then, how does that build conflict resolution skills, problem solving?
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, how are we all getting on the same page with what goal we're talking, walking towards?
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: So for me, I believe that that's kind of the development pathway of a lot of our players that I see learn through this.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: But ultimately, when I'm in conversation with somebody, 95% of the time I'm asking them a question first.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: I love to ask questions because I want to learn more about how they think and what their thoughts are.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't that guided discovery?
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: Basically, absolutely, which is huge, I guess, in US soccer and US soccer education.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: Where in uh when I was coming up and taking all of my licenses, that wasn't the case.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't guided discovery.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: It was this is how you're gonna coach, this is how we want you to coach.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: And now it's more like it's more player focused.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: I think that I think I think being a guided discovery type person, I think that is putting the person first.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: And and I I I love it.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: I I mean when I was going before I started coaching, I was gonna I wanted to be a teacher.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_02: And when I learned that method of the guided discovery, I was like, just ask questions.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's like instead of and I put it in in this, I saw this at a coaching course that I was actually coaching, and one of my colleagues was coaching it.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: And uh he did something brilliant.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, Okay, so a kid made the wrong decision, or a kid was like wide open here.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_02: And instead of yelling at that player on the ball, that why didn't you pass why she was wide open?
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: Why didn't you pass to her?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: Next time just say, Hey, did you see her?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: And if and it a hundred percent of the time, it's no, I didn't see her.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well, okay, then next time maybe look for her.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: Guaranteed that's the same type of situation that happens, they're gonna make the pass.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: And that's even that is a guide to discovery.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: And if you can find ways to integrate that into what you're doing on and off the field, I believe that it creates another layer of vulnerability and building relationships and in building culture.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I believe that people are more responsive to that sort of feedback.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, in particular, I'll just talk in particular about my team, right?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: And what I've learned about them in 15 years.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it goes back to that you want to have trust as well.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I truly believe it's about teaching and learning and creating an environment of accountability, of competitiveness, absolutely.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: You cannot bypass those things, but how do you find that with also being a really good human being, with be building relationships with them and coaching them hard?
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: Do the personality traits allow you to tell you who you can coach hard and who you kind of need to back off of some.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: In some ways, yes, absolutely.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, your your Enneagram threes, your Enneagram eights, uh, they are they're ready for the feedback because they're achievers.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: They they want to be successful in some of those areas.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think with Enneagram ones, Enneagram threes as well, you got to kind of r learn where every individual is, but you also have to be careful of how they respond to mistakes, how you coach them in those moments, um, and how they create that resilience that it's okay, next one, next pass, next shot.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that those are things and and tools that I've really learned that have been impactful to who we are each and every day, um, and learning and and coaching and and really communicating with our athletes.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I post the video of Dave talking about this.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: And some jerk in the book of comments goes, What's next?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: They're gonna check their zodiac signs.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: What do you say to the people that are like just like uh it's like okay, what level have you coached at where this isn't important?
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: Where this person like everybody is different, and I'm sick of coaches that uh try to teach treat like uh uh everybody's in in the is the exact same.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_02: Now uh you treat them fairly the exact same.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: But everybody is different.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: And if you don't know that, if you don't take the time to learn your team, I I I'm worried about having my kid play for you.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: I I like I don't think it's uh ridiculous.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think it's a waste of time.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think it needs to happen more.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and hopefully, hopefully this uh you know after and then I'm gonna have that author on too.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: So now I have Dave, I have you, and then I'm gonna have the author on eventually.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, okay, then hopefully people more people buy into this because you want to be a do you uh where did you play uh club growing up?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh AFC Lightning, Atlanta, Georgia.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: Are they still around?
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_02: Or were they gobbled up?
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, they're still around.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, they they merged a few times, but yeah, they're still around.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure you have a coach that you that you remember a little bit more than other coaches because we've all had a ton of coaches, but you there's always one that made that type of impact.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like if a coach knows you a little bit more, you're more likely to remember that coach.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: 100%.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I I forget who did this.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: This is years and years ago.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody told me, it's like, you want to be measured as a coach?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: How many weddings of former players are you invited to?
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I think about that, and I know that guy is probably gonna be invited to a lot of weddings, and he probably has to say no sometimes.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean Or how often do they come in your office?
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, how are you doing today?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that thank you.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for asking me.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: What do you have going on today?
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think of it.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: You never think of it small moments, are so powerful.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_02: And does that like how do you build your leadership?
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_02: Do you build your lead like your leadership group?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_02: Because everybody has I just talked to uh uh Chad Wiseman from Western.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: What he does is like all the new players, whether you're from the portal or grad transfer or freshman, you get a mentor that's somebody from somebody's uh a player mentor who's been there.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, yeah, I like that.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: How do you go from the tests that you do?
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm sure you run more tests than just the Enneogram.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I uh we really um I have done some.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: We we did the disc in the spring.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, ultimately, just me trying to continue to learn more about our team as quickly as we can.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I think the Enneogram is something that is so you can take such a deep dive into it, and it's so layered that something clicks with somebody.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it might be different from what it is for you, from what it is to me, but I think it's been a very powerful tool that you get to start teaching about.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, we haven't really dove into the all the ins and the outs of it, but can we just start having conversations about these things?
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then ultimately let the relationships start to take over.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: When it comes to leadership for me, um, I want to be able to teach players as much as I can, but I also want to enable my players to be leaders in this group.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: I want a team that is player-led.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: And that is not about me getting out of the way of holding anybody accountable.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: By no means is that.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: That that is not what I'm looking for or saying.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: What I am saying is I want leaders that are invested.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: I want leaders that can stand up for where we're looking to go.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I want people to have their backs.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that really starts with that self-awareness element of it.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: So for us, um, this spring we did a leadership council.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: We had eight players on our leadership council.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh at minimum, every class is represented by one person.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a freshman.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: So you have a freshman on leadership.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, juniors.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: So your seniors have graduated, right?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's in the spring.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, for the other spots, it's then about people that are influential, uh, impactful, and connected to our team.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: And that's really off of feedback from our group.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: They put in some votes, we look at where those things where everybody falls and decide, yeah, okay, let's have, you know, six people on, let's have eight people on, whatever we need for the team in those moments.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think it has been for this spring a very amazing space for our player development, our leadership development, and our team culture.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've had a blast doing it.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you meet, we probably met up every couple weeks, uh, and we're just talking about real leadership things.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where I think you really build trust between the leaders on your group and who you are as a coach.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but also you build a pathway to help them and the spaces and the challenges that they see every day.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it was very enjoyable in that space.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: I can remember one of the first questions that I asked them.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Hey, um, how many players on our team do you think are fully invested all in and what we're doing?
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: A scary question to ask a team.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: That is a scary question.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because you you never know what you're gonna get the answer to.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um and all but ultimately I knew that's where we needed to start.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm interested to see where that went because if okay.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: If I was asked that and I was a player, I would probably I'm sure you have some people that are like I am, that guy is not.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: But then uh you probably also have people that are like, I'm not.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_02: I need to be.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: I need to be more 100%.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: She's talking to me.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so we asked that in our leadership council, and no names were given, right?
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like you just talk about the group.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Just like a respectful conversation of what we need to do to bring more people on board.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: What do we need from the staff?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: What do we need from you guys?
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: Then I turn the question around hey, how do you want to grow as a leader this semester?
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: What can what space can you give more?
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because ultimately, it starts with me, my staff, and them.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Being open to that and being willing to take those steps that are gonna ultimately help them be the best version of themselves and learn and be vulnerable in their leadership, but more importantly, branch out, build the relationships, create the accountability, um, and help the players of our team start to understand their why.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: Why is this person saying, hey, I need to make sure I'm recovering back in a transition moment?
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's because if you you might get exposed, right?
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I think we really started at that base foundation of pointing the fingers back at us.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: What can we do better uh in this space?
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then how do we start to build some of that trust and vulnerability in what we're doing each day to continue to move that number in a positive direction?
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so we kind of talked a little bit through that.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we started to talk a lot about, you know, communication on the field.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what's the right way to do that?
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: How do you go about it?
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, how do we become problem solvers on the field?
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: How is the information we're giving helpful?
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just really a space where it was a two-way conversation.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: We had uh Dr.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: Damon Arnold, who is our um mental performance coach here at Grand Valley.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: He came from LSU, worked with Brian Kelly, who was here before that.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he's been a tremendous asset to our program.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: But me and him were the only two people in the room in this leadership council.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I love that because I think it was truly a space of development, growth, and conversation that allowed even our freshmen to learn more pathways of leadership and create opportunities to lead.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: And the third thing that I thought was really helpful from the leadership council was actually the support that they gave each other.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: It was truly amazing to see the freshmen who didn't really feel like she belonged in the group all of a sudden, you know, two or three meetings in, are people are pouring into her going, Are you crazy?
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: You're like amazing, we love you in this space, you're like incredibly helpful in building relationships and organ, and she's like, Wow, like I'm not sure I saw myself that way.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: And it goes back to that self-awareness piece.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so it's just an amazing experience, and you know, I think every team's different.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, going back to the Enneagram or you know, different people's methodologies, every team needs something different.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe the Enneagram's not right for your team, but what are you doing to build relationships, to understand your players, to learn what each player needs, and what are you doing to develop leadership within your culture that is ultimately gonna result in being a competitive and accountable team that really loves each other from the inside and out?
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: Does the type of personality you have show on the field?
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think in certain ways, yeah.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, the people that are louder, right?
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: Your challengers, your natural leaders, yeah.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but one thing that, you know, Dr.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: Dame has talked a lot about is, you know, once you learn a little bit about who you are, how do you flex a little bit?
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: And what I mean by that is, all right, I'm an introvert.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, all of a sudden I'm a head coach.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, if I'm an introvert, like that's that's not gonna really work, right?
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so I've had to learn how to communicate um and how to flex my energy um to be able to be fulfilled in those moments.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you might have somebody that is a challenger and a natural leader who likes to speak first.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, like maybe that person needs to learn to listen sometimes.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so as you start to learn about some of these things, the next layer of it is okay, what can you maybe take from somebody else?
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: What's gonna help you develop?
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not about changing your personality, it's not about changing your motivations or your desires, it's about learning what other people need from you and being able to be a bit adaptable in those spaces.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm somebody I'm very like analytical, structured.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've had to learn how to build relationships.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: That actually did not come natural for me.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: Huh.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_02: What why is that?
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: Why hold on, why isn't being analytical affect relationship building?
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: Ultimately, it's just like for me, I am a very task-oriented person, right?
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, if I could have a lot of people.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: But then maybe I forgot to say hello to you or ask you about your day and what's more powerful in the soccer field.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: What's more powerful when it comes to building cares?
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: Knowing that they care.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_02: I butchered this quote um oh with Dave, but it's like uh nobody cares how much you know until they know how much you care.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: And that's just spot on.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: And if you just asked, hey, how you doing?
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, what's up?
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so I've had to learn how to do that.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um and every once in a while I still catch myself, right?
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going, I'm out there setting up the field, and all of a sudden I forgot to say, you know, hello to a couple people walking by, uh, coming across for training.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that those are the moments that are just so, so powerful for uh women's athletics, what our team is looking to do.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: And um yeah, it's but it's that's one way that I flexed.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure, you know, if you ask me again in a year, I'll be like, oof, I learned this.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's something that I just love about growth, you know.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's interesting because uh what if we just all thought uh more about the other person?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_02: Just a little bit more.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: Because like how many times have they they didn't say hi to me?
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: One, I have no idea what's going on through their brain.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: One hundred percent.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what kind of personality they have.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they just like that's not that that that's not who they are.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: Man, and then if you have a team and you've been together for three years, four years, that really just builds like she's such a handful, but she's the glue or something like that.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
• 44:35
  unknown: Gosh.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_02: That it makes sense why this is such a good team building aspect, but then it's I asked a sport psychologist on an earlier episode, I was like, how do you build self-awareness?
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: And she's like, Well, I if I had that answer, but I think these personality tests, it does.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: One tool, absolutely.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that self-awareness uh obviously it comes when we're older.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: But I I I think that's where confidence comes from too, because you stop trying to be something that you're not.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that I think that's because I'm confident when I know that I'm not good at something, that actually breeds my confidence.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I don't I don't really care about that.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm not the best at that.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm okay.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like the it's it's like being okay with not not being a one because I'm a nine.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: Or I'm I'm okay not being an eight because I'm a three.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_02: 100%.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the other thing that's really powerful when you talk about self-awareness is you have to have a healthy way of reflecting on everything that you're doing.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: So when you think about, hey, how much time do you spend thinking about the past?
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh boy.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: What are things that you worry about?
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: What are things that you think about in the future?
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: What are your goals?
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: What are you anxious about?
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: How much time does that take up in our mind?
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: And how do we use that as a tool to help us learn more about ourselves and our patterns of how we behave?
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_00: If I don't look back on certain patterns in my life, I wouldn't recognize, for a lack of better terms, a trigger, right?
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: That might make me, man, I've seen this pattern, I know this makes me anxious.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_00: How can I make sure that I'm learning from those moments?
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then ultimately, how are you spending your days in the present?
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think that that is something that is so, so hard to do.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_00: How often are we in the past?
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: How often are we in the future?
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and not embracing the current space you're in, whether it's a conversation with somebody, whether it's a walk outside.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that in a world where cell phones are the first thing that we pick up, you know, and that's distracting to our presence and who we can truly be and the work that is done in those spaces.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, how do you have a healthy balance?
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: We have all of the above on any group of human beings, right?
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_00: How many of my players come in?
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I'm having a hard time.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: I just like this mistake turned into this mistake.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we're focusing a little bit on the past.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is that truly your identity?
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like you you missed one opportunity.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is that truly your your identity as a forward or as a wide player?
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, let's talk more about that.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: How can we help you through that process?
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, hey, I'm worried about you know what I'm gonna do for my pro career or what's next, or getting into PA school.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's let's talk about that.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: How much space is that taking up?
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: Are these things controllable?
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: And when you talk about like building self-awareness, being able to look back and reflect on some of those things, being able to have a healthy route relationship and balance between all three areas of those lives is something that is still hard for me to do, and I'm not sure I'll ever, ever be a pro at it.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: But that is growth and development and self-awareness.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_02: What about the players that like they don't think about the past at all?
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: They don't think about like any mistake that they've ever made because they've never made one, or they just are easy, they they they can let it go.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, or the players that only care about the past and uh beat themselves up.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's like let it go.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_02: Next.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_02: What's next?
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_02: What's next?
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: Be where your feet are.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: But it goes right back to you have to know the people that you're coaching.
• 48:54
  unknown: Yeah.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: Starter comes off the field subbed off.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_00: Pissed off.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: What you say in those moments is pretty dang important.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_00: Are they deflated?
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: Do they need coaching?
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: Do they need encouragement?
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_00: Do they need support or do they just need water?
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think that those are the more you learn about each of your players, the true powerful moments of what soccer's truly about beyond the wins.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's about relationships, it's about young women who learning who they are and becoming themselves.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so for us, when you you certainly see all across the spectrum of, you know, your players that are focused on the past, your players that um doesn't matter, right?
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, in those spaces.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, it goes back to what we said a little bit earlier is I'm a question asker.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: I love to ask questions.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, tell me what you were thinking in that moment.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: Or, hey, somebody that doesn't reflect, like, hey, tell me what are some of the things that you did well over the past eight months that have gotten you to this point?
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: What are some things that you might want to change?
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and my goal is going back to that discovery learning, how do you help them learn that for themselves?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where life is amazing.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_02: Do you ever get pushback?
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_02: Do you does anybody like not want to take the test?
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_02: Or any parents are like, why are you doing this?
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_02: Because have you ever seen the movie Miracle?
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: I have, yeah.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_02: Remember when they were like, I'll take your test?
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, I want the guy that didn't want to take the test or didn't take the test.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I want that guy.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like, do you do you ever get pushback?
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm very lucky with uh we have an amazing group of of young women that are all on board to development.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: I tell my recruits, I said, Hey, look, if you don't want to invest, if you don't want to eng grow, uh, and if you don't want to compete every day, very simple, let's just part ways now.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because our program eats, sleeps, and breathes those three things.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that is truly important to who we are in an office, sitting across the room from a player and and on the field, you know, we're playing 11v11, we're getting ready for a game.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think that's where that authenticity really comes into play, that vulnerability really comes into play to making sure our players are on board to what we're doing.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think everybody starts off a little shy, and then by the time you start talking, you know, you get through Enneagram one and two, all of a sudden you're at, you know, four, five, and six, you'll start to see a lot of people, they'll start asking questions.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, like now that we know this about you, how do you want us to talk to you?
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_00: And that's when I know it's working.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's when I know that we're starting to really make their minds think about what they're saying and how other people are understanding just the next layer of communication.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_02: Have you done this at each stop?
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, great question.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we really started it um at Iowa.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: I can remember us, we were in Dave's office, um, and we were asking ourselves the question like, how do we help our players understand their role?
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: It really started with that question.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, when we first started talking about it, we were like, okay, like who's the leader?
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: Who's, you know, the jokester that brings energy every day, that smiles, you know, who's the servant that's picking up the first comb?
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_00: We're talking and we're describing our team and our players, and how do you start to identify some of those things?
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_00: And we got to start, and then my mind started going, and I'm like, hey, like have you guys ever heard of this?
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what do you guys think about this?
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: And um started to explain, started to learn a bit more about it.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, like, okay, yeah, like I think this could be like really helpful.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody kind of fits into this um in a unique way where their purpose is very important.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, their value, going back to that balance piece of how are you creating balance amongst your team and self-awareness, is we can achieve this by kind of walking through some of this.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_00: So we talked about, you know, how we want to walk through it, how can we create a space of a safe space where you're a bit vulnerable?
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, like I have a hard time with this.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think, you know, kudos to um our team and and staff that really embraced it.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I think it's been something that has been so just a helpful tool.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's not about it's not a pathway about how you're gonna lead each and every day, right?
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think you still gotta show up and you still gotta be a human being.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: You still have to be who you are.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it is something that helped me learn more about our players and every chance that I get, I want to be able to do that.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_02: Do you do this?
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_02: Do you uh can you do this with somebody that you haven't had committed yet?
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_02: If you're talking to a player, because yeah, can you?
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think you can, you know, uh pass it along to them and um kind of get their feedback and information, you know, back and start to like get their mind going on it, um, which I think is an amazing, you know, piece of the journey.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_00: But really, they get integrated into the group when you know you start doing this, whether it's in the spring, whether it's in the fall, whatever fits into your program.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I think it all comes together in those spaces where you're like, oh man, this person's a little bit more like this.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I can kind of relate.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_00: We're the same.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me about your experience, you know, in these spaces.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I believe that that is truly where um, you know, the lights start to come on, and and there's some true uh self-awareness success, right?
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: Where they're learning a bit more about the people around them as well.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's a tool that anybody can go online and take.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there is so many free versions, it's not even funny.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I always say, hey, go on, take it.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then what I want you to do is I want you to read about it.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_00: Does this fit who you think it is?
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, it's a 15-minute test.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_00: You might read something, you know, they might say, hey, you're an Enneagram 4.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you might read something about an Enneagram 7, and you're like, ooh, that kind of hits home.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, well, then it's really all about what number you relate to, what number you connect with.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: What is it, what stimulates and what does it feel like is really um helpful for you to know?
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_00: And you're like, oh yeah, that I can see that in myself, I can see that in myself.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that's the amazing part of the journey.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um is you know, when that is really taken in in and yeah, passed along well.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_02: Do you ever when you're recruiting, do you ever say, we need more nines or we need more sevens?
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think about it a little bit.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I think going back to really how you started this question, like, hey, can you start to like identify some of these?
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, like I'm getting good at it.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_00: Not everybody, right?
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, you have them on these recruiting phone calls, you have them on a recruiting visit, and I'm like, oh yeah, okay, this person's probably, you know, a three.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do you ask questions I learned about before?
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_02: Guarantee you shouldn't.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_00: I should maybe get that going a little bit.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, that's amazing.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, I think that that is certainly uh a piece of the puzzle.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, going back to, hey, do you hire off the Annegram?
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's just how do we build knowing this about you?
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and but just make sure that we're building the culture and just like understanding and communicating with each other.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_02: How often do you actually talk to let's say, let's say recruits?
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_02: How often do you talk to them before you sign them?
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_00: A lot.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I want to know anything and everything that I can about, you know, recruit from the evaluations that we have on you tournaments, uh, cold days, hot days, um, you know, what do you look like in training sessions?
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think all those things are really important to learning about a human being and an individual.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so for us, uh the evaluations and then even more so the conversations to make sure that we're aligned and what you want, what we want, what we're able to, you know, help you through and develop you in.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and ultimately, like I want recruits to believe in us and believe in what we're doing and want this to feel like this is a place where they can thrive, a place that they're gonna be well loved, but coached hard.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_02: When you're when you were applying for the job, did you bring this up?
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_02: Or you know what I mean?
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, great question.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, interview was a long day.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I uh it it was a great experience.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um I've we talked a lot about um development, what are some of my beliefs, what are some of my methodologies?
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_00: Did I go into it incredibly deep?
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I do believe that the players uh and the hiring committee understood my why.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_02: The players were in on it.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: We're in on the meetings.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_02: What's your why?
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: For me, it's about serving and empowering young women to be the best version of themselves.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's about building relationships, and that's the foundation of everything that we do here.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_02: Do you are are you able to do this with with US soccer at all?
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, we just with being a scout, um uh we don't interact with the players a ton rather than unless they're in ID centers or something like that.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so um it's really a different hat uh to be able to wear, which I'm not gonna be.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_02: You're not even talking to anybody.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_02: No, just you're the intimidating person in a US badge, and you just sit and you're just watching.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like I went to a fest uh in December, and there were a couple female scouts there, and they were intimidating.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like looking down and I'm like, I don't I don't want to talk to them.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then like one of the MLS next guys is like, they won't talk to you.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that's amazing.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I I've enjoyed it.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I think it brings a different perspective.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think it's you know a place of learning, but you also have to go out and evaluate and be in tune to what's happening in in the US soccer world.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_02: Did you do that uh the course for this?
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_00: I have not done the course.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um I know a couple people that have enjoyed it.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um Sarah, Sarah from Tigers did that, right?
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, I believe she did it.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, she's on some of the group calls that we're on, you know, once a month or whatever, checking in.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh yeah, it's good just to be able to build those relationships.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's good to just be able to see things from you know a bit of a different lens of yeah, ultimately we're developing people for US soccer and pro pathways as well.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um we were at a USLW game last night.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's gotta make make people think it's okay.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, it's for us, um I think the fun part is this past weekend I was also at uh under 13 match.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_02: Are you I mean I'm sure some of this you can't talk about, but like how how does it work?
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, do you are you just going to games and be like, this kid, I need to see her two more times, and then I'm gonna really send it.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have to be careful about uh sending some kids after just seeing them once?
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_02: And like, I need to see her two more times, let me see her when it's raining, let me see it when it's hot, let me see it when it's cold.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_02: Then I'm gonna uh put it because I'm sure a US soccer would be like, You sent us seven girls and six of them didn't plan out.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_02: Do you ever get scared?
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'd be so scared of like, and I've known club coaches that won't do that for college coaches.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, I'm not gonna talk to the college coach for you because if you screw me over, you're gonna ruin my relationship with that college coach.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_00: So what is ultimately recruiting for Grand Valley and what I do with U.S.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_00: soccer are two really separate things.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you have to take an approach with U.S.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_00: soccer to look at it really from their game model.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it is all about, you know, there's a lot of organization that takes place behind the scenes.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm not sure how much I'm supposed to talk about it, you know, and those sorts of things, but there's certainly a pathway and an intention that they have with uh what we're doing in any scout across the country.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_00: And whether it has to do with evaluations or whatever they need on certain players, there is a methodology and an intentionality that's you know going on behind the scenes.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_02: Who's is it game model per age group in the things that you're looking for, or is it one standard game model that Emma puts down?
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, one standard game model that Emma puts down.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_02: Does Emma is Emma in charge of it?
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um and you know, so some things have changed in the last few years and some other spaces.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_00: And and it's always it's always evolving.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_00: If you're not evolving, you're gonna get caught.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_02: With the same coach, it's always evolving.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_02: Because look at how much the game has changed just in like 10 years.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's you know, a lot of people are in WSL.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, a lot of people are abandoning the the the flatback four.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_02: I still adore it, but uh, I'm a goalkeeper, so that's yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, do you do you have a number of like okay, I want my goalkeepers being Yeah, great question.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_00: I I really in some ways, if they were an eight and like pretty loud and communicative, that would be you know amazing and great.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: But um for me it's about like meeting people where they're at and for them to be feel valued in those situations.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_02: And every number can play any position.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_00: Here's a great story.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_00: We are uh doing this for probably one of the first times at Iowa.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we're going through it and learning and talking about different things.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we get to the Enneagram number nine, the last number.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_00: We have one player that's an Enneagram nine.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_00: And her name was Riley Whitaker.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh she was a starter every year of her career.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_00: She was a center back, amazing human being, um, amazing soccer player, but quiet.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_00: She was really quiet.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_00: And whenever she spoke, it was like, yeah, you're you're spot on.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_02: When she talks, yeah, you listen.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so we really talked about that of like, hey, we have four Enneagram 8s that have a dominating personality.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_00: How do we make sure we're also not forgetting what Riley's thinking about?
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_00: And embracing, really going back to that question of like balance and value to what they're bringing.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_00: So it was really fun to kind of see some things come um to fruition after those things.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, you're in conversations, okay, Riley, what do you think?
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_00: And they start to learn um, you know, just different ways of interacting with people and just a fun, great little story.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she became a captain for us and was an unbelievable person and player.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_02: How many girls are on your roster right now?
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we got about 30 going into next fall.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_02: 30 going into fall in your set.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_02: Are you still looking at a couple?
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we'll we'll see where things kind of settle out here in the next couple weeks.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_00: But um, you know, we we had a good spring of development.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm somebody that just believes in the process of getting better each and every day, trying to stay focused on being in the now, right?
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um and and maximizing what we're doing in those spaces.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so yeah, we're we're we're relatively set for um the fall.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see if there's one or two more additions that um we may do here.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_00: But other than that, we're headed in a good direction.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have all nine?
• 1:05:59
  unknown: No.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_02: Numbers?
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_00: Great question.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_00: I believe we're missing the hardest two oftentimes are really the hardest three are fours, sixes, and nines.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_01: Four, sixes, and nines.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_00: And there's not many fives either, but I take care of that for everybody.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_00: So you know that's helpful in that space.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so it's very interesting to kind of see every team's a little bit different.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_00: Every team's culture is a bit different.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_00: Every team's interactions with each other is a bit different.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_02: Even from year to year.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_00: What this team needed might not be what we need next spring.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_02: And four or five, maybe ten players can just make all the difference in the world of just culture.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_02: How how hard when you got here?
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_02: How hard did you hit the portal or put players in the portal?
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_02: Be like, it's time to make it.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think was the first day.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um really my primary focus from February till we were when we were done in April was build relationships, build relationships, build relationships.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_00: And two months.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that seems that was fast.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_00: It was very fast.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I wouldn't change how I did it by any means, but I was meeting, meet doing a lot of meetings, uh, connecting in a lot of ways.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_02: How long do those meetings usually last?
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, great question.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_00: It just kind of depends.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_00: Depends on the day.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_00: Three hours.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully they're not three hours, but that's okay.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_00: We could do that if we need to.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like all things are great.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but um, you know, I generally enjoy learning, being challenged by them and connecting with them.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I had some ground to make up coming in as a new coach.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it goes back to I also wanted to learn how to coach them as quickly as I possibly could.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_00: How do you respond in training?
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_00: What do you need more of from me?
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_00: Are you a visual learner?
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_00: Do you need to practice it?
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_00: How can we help you with that?
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so you take, you know, eight weeks, and we got to see five games in those eight weeks as well, and um you start to learn more and more about people.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then it was about bringing the people that were on board to what we were doing, investing, developing, competing, and making sure that you're building relationships while you're doing all three of those things.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_00: And for us, um, you know, it was about we had a few holes that we needed to fill.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, responsibilities of whether people graduated, this or that.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, you got incoming recruiting classes, all those sorts of things.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_00: So um I think we got five out of the portal in May to be able to help us out a little bit in the fall.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_00: And so um, yeah, we had, you know, Murphy, uh Katie Murphy from Ball State that joined us.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_00: She started uh center back with us.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_00: We had Sonia Meta that came from Iowa, we had a goalkeeper that transferred in as well.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we had some really, you know, important people to what we look to do in the fall that came in through the portal process.
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_00: For me, um, I believe in how do you build a relationship with somebody over the course of six years, seven years, you start to see them play a little bit as a sophomore, you start to get them on board, like what happens their junior and senior year?
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I think how you communicate and how you start to build a relationship with those incoming players in those spaces are so important.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then when they come in on the first day, I want them to feel so comfortable with who we are that they can walk in the door and ask me a question.
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_02: How often, after they commit, how often are you talking to them?
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh the more the better.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, sometimes it's just texting here and there, sometimes it's you know conversations.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_00: But what I do believe in is how we, you know, mentor and build a relationship in that space is gonna be really important to one, how they show up and their readiness when it comes the first day of preseason and to the relationship that we have with those individuals.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_00: So how you're prepping them, um, how you're prepping the group, I think is really important for what the standards are, what they need to be ready for, um fitness, all those sorts of fun things, right?
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so over that course of that two years, I love that time because there are somebody that's invested in our program that we get to connect with, we get to challenge them.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, we just saw you this weekend.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Can you make sure you, you know, work on this, this, and this, right?
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_00: And um, one thing that we do in our program is we use the terminology's glows and grows.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, something that we once again, back in back in the Iowa um day and time, we yeah, we we talked a lot about uh actually Drago, who's now down at Auburn, um was somebody that really helped us kind of develop some of those languages that, yeah, it's not about strengths and weaknesses.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't like that sounds kind of intimidating.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_00: No, glows and grows.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_00: What are the things that we get to celebrate?
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_00: What are the things like you get to go back home and you get to work on?
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and for us, I think that's been something that we we connect with them on.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I also want to know about their families.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_00: How's your sister doing?
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_00: How's baseball going?
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, when's graduation?
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_00: What what do we got going on with this bio, you know, class?
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me about your professor, what experiments are you doing?
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um and and those are just the joys of the job.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_02: How when I don't want to say tragedy, but when like heartache happens with the players.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean how this is why those tests are important.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because you need to know how to be there for somebody when like a breakup or a parent passes or a grandparent passes or a dog dies.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and and it's like you have to know them as the person because you're more than just teaching X's and O's on the field.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I think for me, that really starts with building a relationship with them that ultimately, first and foremost, they have to be comfortable telling you those things.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of people aren't.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I I think we do a really nice job of trying to build as much trust as we can, trying to build safe spaces, um, trying to have different personalities on the staff that people can go to.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think that's really important.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_00: So for us, like how do you, you know, first just create that space?
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then when those moments do arise, what does it look like for you to support them?
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_00: Every individual is gonna need something different.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean it's wild.
• 1:13:26
  SPEAKER_02: I one of my frustrations and why it's called I Hate Soccer, is so while I was running my training company for 11 years, and guys and girls would come in and they would just tell me everything that's going on about their club.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and uh obviously they're like ha family stuff, but for the most part the drama from soccer.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_02: And under my breath, I'd be like, Or have I heard this one before?
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_02: I hate so I hate soccer.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and it's that.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_02: And what uh one of the most common trends was these coaches do not have relationships with these players at the youth level.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_02: Wait a minute, you've coached this team for three years.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_02: How do you not know that this kid is a right-footed, but she's a left footed?
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how do you not know that?
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how have you never asked her?
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_02: Have you never talked to her?
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe she's really good on her left, but she's right footed.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_02: How do you know that?
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_02: You she's been at the club for seven years.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just little things like that.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's just a small thing.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_02: But there's other stuff that is like, do they even treat you like humans?
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_02: Do they care about your human side?
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like that's just one of my frustrations.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_00: But it's I hate soccer.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's a representation of the distractions that take you away from the purity of the game.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_02: And that needs to be the definition underneath it.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think that that is life, right?
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like how many times are we distracted?
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, how many times are we in the past, the present?
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_00: And how do we just minimize that and control some of those those thoughts, which is very hard to do.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_00: You have to train your mind, you have to recognize um some of those things.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, I think that that is something when you talk about, yeah, why did I go to Grand Valley?
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because there's less distractions.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_00: I want to develop people and I want to win games, and this is a place that really values those two things.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so you know, I think for me, being a college coach, I hope we keep that purity of the game important every day.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_00: If your players are not enthusiastic and excited and enjoying training sessions, like that's gonna be a tough lift.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_00: For us, what are we what are we doing that's fun?
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, how are we interacting?
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_00: How are we laughing?
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, how are we enjoying being around each other?
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_00: Just starting with that space, and then you talk about the soccer.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and for me, I really hope that our team is not only growing as human beings, but I hope that they are ignited with a passion for soccer, that they love coming to training every day, that they love what we're doing, that they want to be part of something special.
• 1:16:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think we are building that each and every day.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think there's days where you gotta take two steps backwards and you gotta reflect and okay, how do we move forward, right?
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but that's the process.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_02: How much of what you were able to do at Iowa and what Dave was able to do at Iowa can you bring here?
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because I feel like this is a D1 program.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it's D2, but I feel like this is as close as a D uh to D1 school as you're gonna get at a D2 school.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_00: 100%, yeah.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think there is a lot of similarities um that we get, you know, ways that we operate, things that we're looking to do.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um the support.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the support.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's kind of got his methodologies, I got, you know, my methodologies and my players and those sorts of things.
• 1:17:25
  SPEAKER_00: But um, I was just so grateful to learn so much from you know being underneath him, um, from what it takes, you know.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_00: The only 10% of what we do is really on the soccer field.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_00: So how are you um making sure that you're ready for everything else as well?
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, when I was there at Iowa, I just have a great uh appreciation for how he mentored me, um, how he challenged me, um, and really the role that he allowed me to have.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't put me in a box and say, hey, go over there and deal with camps and let me know when you're done, right?
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was about integrating our staff into an incredibly collaborative environment.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I hope that, you know, I'm doing just half the job uh, you know, that he's doing and with my staff, and you know, I just respect him that much in those spaces.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_00: But ultimately, you know, I I want to create a collaborative environment for what we're doing.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_00: I want us to be uh unified for what we're stepping out and doing on the training pitch, unified in um, you know, how we're communicating to our athletes, but at the same time, uh being able to embrace who we are individually.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't you beat Michigan in the in the spring?
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_00: I did beat Michigan in the spring.
• 1:18:45
  SPEAKER_00: Don't put that on.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_00: Dave might be a little upset about that.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_00: He uh he he texted me the other day.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, hey, are you you know still using that?
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, well, like, yeah, I think I got you know another nine months left or so on on it, you know, I just might keep using it a little bit.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, ultimately for for us, and and I have some of these frustrations.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's uh I think your first game with any team can be hard, right?
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I remember my first first game the spring prior.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, whoo, like I didn't think we were gonna play like that, right?
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_00: And you're back to the drawing board and you're learning.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's just like what they know, right?
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um and what they're familiar with.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's just a process.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_00: But you were only here for five days, right?
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, that was preseason.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_00: That was preseason.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_00: So before for games, I think I had three weeks of of training before we played.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_02: So you only had five days with them before your first game?
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_00: In the fall.
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_02: In the fall?
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_02: How are you?
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, what?
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's a lot to pack in.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's changing, right?
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this year we have a little bit longer.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's what they call a festival year in D2.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_00: So we get we get a little bit longer in those spaces, um, which would be amazing.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_00: So festival year is when all the fall sports do like their NCAA championships all at the same site.
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, cross country, volleyball, all that sort of stuff, which is uh I couldn't tell you, I haven't thought that far ahead.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_00: But um yeah, it's usually some some sort of setting like that, right?
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_00: That is kind of predetermined.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_00: But they do it, I believe, every three years.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, it gives us a bit more time in the preseason, which is amazing.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, going back to those to the spring where yeah, we had three weeks of of you know training and we went down and we played Detroit Mercy.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I learned a lot about our group in those moments.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it takes more than one game to be able to build, and that's what it's always been about.
• 1:20:50
  SPEAKER_00: How do we build each day?
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_00: What does it look like for us to invest each day, stack days, um, and get better?
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I think this spring was something that was incredibly valuable for us.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_00: We played, you know, Michigan, central Michigan, central Michigan, and Michigan State, um, which are exactly the games that I want to play.
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's an amazing opportunity for us.
• 1:21:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_00: And we were we were grateful to be, you know, in the Spring Cup and have a little bit of spring competition.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think that really helped.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_00: That was something that um, you know, Lewis from um Western put together.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it was good for you know our state and for us in particular.
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I think for our program, um, those are the games that we will always play in the spring.
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_00: What are those you know, high-level competitions that are gonna stretch us and expose us?
• 1:21:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we we lost 5-1 to Michigan State.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I didn't feel great after the game.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_00: That was the championship game, right?
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't feel great after the game, right?
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_00: But um did were we challenged?
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Were we stretched?
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_00: Did we get better?
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I think that game helped us in some of those areas.
• 1:22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because we're never gonna get an opportunity to, you know, play opponents if we don't go do that in the spring.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, it was something where I think it was really good for us to be able to do.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we opened up with Michigan.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, and it was a battle, all 90 minutes.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we scored late in the game in the game winner.
• 1:22:25
  SPEAKER_00: So it was it was exciting in those spaces.
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I know Dave will continue to grow his program as I will continue to grow mine, and uh we'll we'll see where where we line up here maybe next spring or the spring after.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_02: Are you allowed to you're not allowed to schedule anybody in the D in D1 for your regular season?
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_02: You can.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can exhibition.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it kind of doesn't really count towards them and it doesn't really count towards us.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I think Ashland's a really good example.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_00: They every year will go play Ohio State.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's I actually love watching the game.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's moments where Ashland has, you know, Ohio State on the ropes, and then um vice versa.
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so I can remember watching it last last fall in those spaces.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so um, yeah, but ultimately it just boils back down to development.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_00: What are we building?
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the leadership and and the people we're investing in.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_02: Most of the portal kids that you've had coming in so far, are they all D1 and then came from D1?
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that's a good question.
• 1:23:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I think so.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_02: How uh have you been hit with the D1 or bet uh D1 or bust mentality from recruits?
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's so frustrating.
• 1:23:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sick of it.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Especially especially here.
• 1:23:50
  SPEAKER_02: I mean here is way different.
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think, you know, um were you a lot of people?
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_00: I try not to I I knew it's the reality, right?
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um I get it.
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think there's there's certainly hard days where I have a really hard time with it.
• 1:24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because the reality is is we can compete with a lot of those schools.
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um a lot of those schools.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's really important for, you know, our recruits to to really recognize.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um but ultimately if they don't want to be a part of what we're doing, that's okay.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_00: As long as they're happy, and we will keep doing our work to find the people that are good fits for us.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um and that buy into what we're doing.
• 1:24:43
  SPEAKER_00: I believe that, you know, really all of our athletes can play division one if like we're competing against division one schools the majority of the time.
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_00: But for these players, they want to be at a place where they believe in what we're doing as a staff, how we're developing them, how we're taking care of them, and where they can win and have a lot of fun.
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_00: We won 19 games last year.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_00: There are very, very few, less than five teams that won 19 games last year.
• 1:25:19
  SPEAKER_02: How'd you guys do in the tournament?
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we were the number one seed, uh, won the Gliak regular season, um, won the tournament, and then yeah, we uh got beat in the first round on PK's.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_00: So we heard we learned a really hard lesson.
• 1:25:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um we had a bad half of soccer, and as everybody knows, that you can't have that in the NCA tournament.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_00: And um I think we learned a lot from it.
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we played C to Rail, C to Rail for the second time.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, they were up 2-0 at halftime.
• 1:25:54
  SPEAKER_00: We actually came back and tied it, uh, hit the crossbar in overtime, all those sorts of things.
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, exactly.
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it boils down to, you know, um us not being able to sort it out first half a little bit and and giving up, you know, those two goals that I would argue are are preventable.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I believe that we've talked a lot about it with our leadership council, we've talked a lot about it with our staff.
• 1:26:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um it helped us grow.
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_00: It did.
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm not happy about it.
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't like that we got, you know, quote unquote upset in the first round.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but did I learn a lot?
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I did.
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh did our team learn a lot?
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think we did.
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and now it's about being able to turn the page and competing and and developing each and every day to be able to put ourselves in a position where we can change that narrative.
• 1:26:50
  SPEAKER_02: How how is the conference?
• 1:26:54
  SPEAKER_00: Conference is great.
• 1:26:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, Saginaw, Parkside, uh, Ferris, uh, Northern Michigan are kind of the teams that Wayne's adding in.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think Doug's done a nice job of you know finding ways to be able to build his roster over there.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, they got a lot of of young freshmen coming in, but um, I believe in who he is as a person.
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, I think ultimately what I love about the conference is every game's a bit different.
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_00: Every game presents a different like tactical challenge, um, a different game plan, um, a different, you know, way of being an edge up.
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so for me, that's the fun part of soccer is being able to talk about and and plan and you know, have your sub rotations and and all those sorts of things to uh ultimately you know try to win games.
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it was it was a good first fall.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but now how do we build on it?
• 1:27:54
  SPEAKER_00: And and ultimately our goal is of course building ourselves into a national championship that's not.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_00: Done overnight.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um I know that.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_00: Our players know that.
• 1:28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I believe one day at a time um we are getting better.
• 1:28:08
  SPEAKER_02: Do you feel that like with with the history?
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_02: And you said seven.
• 1:28:14
  SPEAKER_02: Seven national titles.
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Seven national titles.
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_02: So Dave won three.
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_02: Jeff won two or three.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_02: Jeff won three.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh Jim, who came in in 2021, won one as well.
• 1:28:28
  SPEAKER_02: Seven.
• 1:28:29
  SPEAKER_02: I used to always uh because uh people in New York some some flash players uh looked at Grand Valley over my last ten years or whatnot.
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_02: But whenever I explain the school, I go, oh, it's North Carolina of Division II.
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_02: And that's how I've always described it.
• 1:28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:28:50
  SPEAKER_02: And do you feel pressure like of the history?
• 1:28:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh, yeah.
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_02: Do the players?
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think the players.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_02: Or they come here to win a national.
• 1:29:02
  SPEAKER_00: They come here to win a national championship, absolutely.
• 1:29:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um but as much as I try not to be distracted by that, I try not to distract them by that as well.
• 1:29:12
  SPEAKER_00: How are we just getting better every day?
• 1:29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Be where your feet are.
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_02: Be present.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_00: And the reality is, is yeah, there's pressure.
• 1:29:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but there's pressure everywhere, right?
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_00: You you go to the Big Ten, like yeah, there's pressure to get into the tournament, there's pressure to win the Big Ten.
• 1:29:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:29:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um now how we deal with that, how we present that, um, I think is you know something that's really important that every team does a little bit different.
• 1:29:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but ultimately, yeah, the goal.
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't come here to lose.
• 1:29:43
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 1:29:44
  SPEAKER_02: How do you plan out your like year, right?
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_02: Great.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because like because you're you just opened another can of worms.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_02: You're too you're talking about you talk about being present.
• 1:29:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:29:54
  SPEAKER_02: And Chad at um at Western, he was talking about how like a week 52.
• 1:30:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, week 52?
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, what you think Christmas?
• 1:30:05
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:30:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 1:30:06
  SPEAKER_02: Week 52 is the week before preseason.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:30:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's like week one, week two, week three.
• 1:30:13
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, on week 52, I'm in Florida.
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_02: I on a on the beach.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought that was very interesting, and I'm like, uh that's how this is, that's how this lifestyle is.
• 1:30:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's like week one, week two, week three, and you have to keep grounded of like, guys, we want to win a national title.
• 1:30:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there is 362 days until next year's national tit that title game, or there's a hundred days until so like we have a lot of work to do.
• 1:30:46
  SPEAKER_02: How do you do that?
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think the hardest thing too is like, how do you stay grounded when things aren't going well?
• 1:30:52
  SPEAKER_00: That that's the challenge.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, for me, from a sports science side of things, um, you know, I geek out on some of that um and how we build really our periodization model, which is very simple, simply our uh intensities, the duration, the volume of training, um, and how that integrates into what we need to get better on the soccer field, what individuals need to get better at, um, and what we need to get better at, you know, tactically in our preparation for games.
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so for us, uh, we really build that all based off of what a game requires.
• 1:31:30
  SPEAKER_00: What do we need to be able to run uh in a game?
• 1:31:34
  SPEAKER_00: How many meters?
• 1:31:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, how many meters are we sprinting?
• 1:31:38
  SPEAKER_00: How many meters is um you know 60% of our max speed?
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so for us, we look at all that because it allows us to create a bit of plan and a bit of structure of what we're doing.
• 1:31:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm very intentional with you know how we're building week to week, um, what we're looking to do every single day.
• 1:31:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um ultimately you kind of you build a structure that is uh in anticipation of your players coming back ready to go.
• 1:32:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I think you always have to kind of evaluate your team on the first couple days of like, all right, how fit are we?
• 1:32:12
  SPEAKER_00: How are we doing?
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_00: Where are we at?
• 1:32:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, to be able to reduce those injuries as much as possible.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_00: And this really boils back down to like, hey, you asked my why.
• 1:32:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I had I've had five knee surgeries and I don't want anybody else to go through that.
• 1:32:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how, yeah, that's my why.
• 1:32:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so for us, we're really intentional about what we look to do, you know, every single day, how we build throughout the week, um, how that is woven into what we're doing in the weight room.
• 1:32:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a big believer of the weight room, and then how that changes, yeah, when your season's over, then when you come back in January.
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what do those rhythms look like and what do the different times of the year mean for your program?
• 1:32:53
  SPEAKER_00: What are your focuses?
• 1:32:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so we really take a deep dive into that.
• 1:32:56
  SPEAKER_00: We're really intentional about that space.
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think it boils down to what our development model is.
• 1:33:03
  SPEAKER_02: And you talk about game model a lot.
• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, has that changed over the years as well?
• 1:33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 1:33:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean every, every, probably every July, yeah.
• 1:33:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I like to sit down on my staff and go, hey, like what are what are some languages that we're using that's not on this?
• 1:33:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what are some things that we need to add that will be valuable to maybe it's something one of us is learning that is really important, or maybe it's something we're missing.
• 1:33:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think you know, you go back to that being able to reflect, looking and figuring out, you know, what you need to adjust.
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_00: And and that's the fun part about what we do is being able to talk about X's and O's.
• 1:33:42
  SPEAKER_00: And um, for us, we try to have those conversations, you know, certainly in July, if not twice a year, um, you know, where you're also reflecting on the fall of what you need to get out of the spring and those sorts of things as well.
• 1:33:54
  SPEAKER_00: So for us, uh, we really operate a lot off of like game principles.
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I just believe in, you know, trying to teach players um, you know, a vision, trying to teach them decisions versus hey, you know, we're in a four back, we need our outside back to play down the line, or entry into the mid.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's the principles of what you want to accomplish versus this is our style of play or this is our system.
• 1:34:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:34:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it's been a lot of fun.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_02: And with with the periodization, is that more from your licensing, or is that just how it has to be done because of the again, the sports science of like these kids cannot go 90% today.
• 1:34:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think, you know, for me with my background in exercise science, I actually did my thesis on it as well, which was kind of fun for me and my masters, um, kind of where my analytical side comes out a little bit, you know, but I certainly have a passion about it.
• 1:34:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the great thing about the sports science world is it so rapidly changes.
• 1:34:58
  SPEAKER_00: There's something new left and right.
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you got to be able to integrate different things, technology is changing, all of the above.
• 1:35:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's just really years and years of compound knowledge, um, things that have been helpful, things that you know I would change.
• 1:35:16
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I think it's been something that is helpful for our program.
• 1:35:20
  SPEAKER_00: Is there something that I'm gonna change, you know, in August or a year from now in August?
• 1:35:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe probably.
• 1:35:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but that also means that, you know, I'm involving with the new things that are coming along and the research and the technology um in those spaces.
• 1:35:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so for us, it's really about keeping our players healthy, keeping them fit.
• 1:35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and ultimately, if your players are fit and healthy, that is a really important piece in any development model is being accessible and being able to train each day.
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's I mean, we could go on forever.
• 1:36:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's crazy just that of everything that just goes into it.
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you've been doing the anneagram, anagram for eight years now.
• 1:36:11
  SPEAKER_02: Eight and a half.
• 1:36:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_02: Are kids changing?
• 1:36:15
  SPEAKER_02: Are you noticing like year one versus year two or year eight?
• 1:36:21
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, absolutely.
• 1:36:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 1:36:23
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot more fours or a lot more uh like eights than there used to be.
• 1:36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Or I think every team's change uh is different.
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I think what's really cool about the Enneagram is there are really what they call like layers of development um and progress as an individual.
• 1:36:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, what are you like when you are in an unhealthy, stressed space?
• 1:36:50
  SPEAKER_00: What are you like when you are trending, you are feeling good, and we've all felt it, right?
• 1:36:54
  SPEAKER_00: Where I'm like, ooh, I'm not in a great space this week, like I'm having a hard time with this, or man, I'm I'm flying high, like this is awesome, weather's good, sunny outside.
• 1:37:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we've all had those moments, but what's really cool about the Enneagram is all of a sudden it's putting words to what that looks like.
• 1:37:11
  SPEAKER_00: So when you talk about year to year, do you see somebody move um in those directions?
• 1:37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man, that's a lot of fun.
• 1:37:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:37:20
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I think it's really amazing to be able to just see those transformations.
• 1:37:27
  SPEAKER_00: And it's really about individual growth.
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you go back to like how do you deal with players that are going through challenges?
• 1:37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like you're gonna see some of those changes to you know how they respond in those moments.
• 1:37:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think it just starts with a bit of recognition in those areas.
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_00: So they got, you know, layers of development, they got, you know, stressors, all sorts of things.
• 1:37:49
  SPEAKER_00: They got um, you know, quadrants of you have uh the thinking quadrant, the feeling quadrant.
• 1:37:56
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much information that just comes out of one little picture of Enneagram that um, yeah, you and I can sit here and talk for on four hours.
• 1:38:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, think about it, like your college years are very transformative.
• 1:38:11
  SPEAKER_02: And you could come in a, I don't know, like a four and you leave a nine or vice versa.
• 1:38:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a lot of times you don't see that very often.
• 1:38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's really about kind of the initial identification of like who you identify with, and then kind of within those numbers, you have uh some of those layers of like development or wings or which way that you can like, oh, you're kind of shifting this way, you're kind of shifting this way.
• 1:38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, and so a lot of times it doesn't change your original Enneagram number doesn't change a ton, but how you're reacting, where you're at in life, like do those start to, you know, shift you one way or the other, like to one wing or to another wing?
• 1:39:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:39:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so for me it is it goes back to exactly what you said, it's a transformative process, it's about people.
• 1:39:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know, I think ultimately it's not about putting people in a box with an enneagram test.
• 1:39:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually about when they come in and they sit on your couch, how can you connect with them, how can you support them, how do they feel walking out the door?
• 1:39:30
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not about changing either.
• 1:39:31
  SPEAKER_02: How many couples need to be doing this?
• 1:39:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, think about that, right?
• 1:39:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's like everybody tries to change each other.
• 1:39:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, no, how about you take this test and just learn how to actually like talk to each other?
• 1:39:43
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 1:39:44
  SPEAKER_00: There's uh, I mean, if you if you start Googling things, you'll see, oh, like these Enneagram numbers pair really well together, or hey, this could be hard for the, you know, and so like just in talking about the layers and the information, there's so many fun ways that you can take it.
• 1:40:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, for me, it's just a simplicity of it's not meant to be overwhelming, it's meant to be helpful.
• 1:40:08
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't like it, no problem.
• 1:40:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right, like that's fine.
• 1:40:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's all about the relationship side of things.
• 1:40:17
  SPEAKER_02: It makes me want to learn.
• 1:40:18
  SPEAKER_02: It makes me want to take it, it makes me want to learn it.
• 1:40:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I can't wait to have that that author on.
• 1:40:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that'd be amazing.
• 1:40:25
  SPEAKER_02: Amazon real quick because he's sending me a lot of things.
• 1:40:27
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta do a little three-way call so we can all get on it, so I can ask some questions.
• 1:40:31
  SPEAKER_02: He re-shared something from um from uh Dianni on his um podcast uh and and just shared it.
• 1:40:41
  SPEAKER_02: Nate Chatfield.
• 1:40:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a yeah.
• 1:40:44
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know him?
• 1:40:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 1:40:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's well, I don't know him, but I know.
• 1:40:46
  SPEAKER_02: But he knows of him.
• 1:40:48
  SPEAKER_02: Emotionally intelligent coaching.
• 1:40:49
  SPEAKER_02: Have you read it?
• 1:40:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 1:40:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's an amazing book.
• 1:40:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's that's that's the guy.
• 1:40:55
  SPEAKER_02: That's the book.
• 1:40:57
  SPEAKER_02: Hopefully he sees this and then he'll like reach out to you.
• 1:40:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that'd be awesome.
• 1:41:01
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much.
• 1:41:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:41:02
  SPEAKER_02: This is a blast.
• 1:41:03
  SPEAKER_02: And now I want to tour.
• 1:41:04
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do it.
• 1:41:05
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:41:06
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 1:41:06
  SPEAKER_02: See ya.
• 1:41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:41:08
  SPEAKER_02: I hate soccer.