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Ep 31: BONUS: Let's Wrap It Up! · Let's Kick It Off!

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Who's going to replace him? There's a load of man who could
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do it, but really there is. There's a tonne of managers that
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can do it. Just because Steve doesn't know
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the list doesn't mean like there's not a list of managers.
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He could do a better. Job I do know the list.
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It's a list of boring. Yeah, there you go.
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So that's what I mean. If you think they're boring,
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it's like you know you can stick with 17th and losing to Spurs.
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All right, guys, let's kick it off.
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So I'm to start with obviously like I haven't joined you guys
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in quite a while, but and the season has now wrapped.
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Am I correct It is wrapped? Not unless you count the Club
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World Cups you. Should find it.
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KISS. What's the heck's the Club World
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Cup here? We go, he needs to even explain
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her already and I'll fill in the.
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Literally coming out with things.
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Go on, give me a top line. Imagine the World Cup right is
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with with countries. This is the same tournament but
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now with clubs. It's the actual thing, yeah.
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It's the first time when. Did it start?
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It's the. First one ever in America.
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Who started it? FIFA, to make money also did.
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Jean Infantino, he's the president.
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Kiss. Yeah.
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It's all about the money, isn't it?
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All about the Benjamins. Follow the Saudi money, my
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friends. Was we united in it?
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No. No.
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How come we're T-shirt? We're not good enough.
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So Chelsea, so Chelsea a bit random.
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They're in it because they won the Champions League.
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Like, was it 22? Like, yeah, in the COVID the
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2122 I think it was. So it's like the winners of the
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Champions League plus the top ranked nations in Europe and
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then plus, you know, from around the world, basically there's a,
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you know, qualification, 32 teams, four groups, sorry, eight
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groups of four. And then you get the like the
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World Cup, it's the last 16 quarter final, semi final,
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final. Final so I find that yeah, I was
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going to say I find that quite bizarre.
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What about like, you know, rest and international games and then
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like new season and all of that kind of thing?
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Like surely like Jose some ways, like complaining, right?
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Real Madrid tried to bail out of the tournament like a few months
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ago. Like they were like, we're not
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going to play it. And then the prize money up for
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grabs. Correct me if I'm wrong as well,
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Steve. I think it's is it the final
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itself is like is 100 mil or is it like if you if you win the
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thing like with all the money totalled up, is it 100 mil?
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Yeah. I think it's it's maybe total
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100, which is yeah, yeah. A lot of money to it, even
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though there seems to be empty stadiums at the moment and not
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actually Don Carlow. So big fan for Steve and kids.
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You obviously like him because of the eyebrow.
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He's like the Rock from WWE. He yeah, he was big on like not
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not participating. But then obviously, yeah, what
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happened was no TV companies actually bidded for it.
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So like they put it out for tender FIFA, no one bid, no one
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bid or like there wasn't like acceptable bids.
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And then all of a sudden Eddie Hearns old friends design, of
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course they come in right with a 1 billion, I think.
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Is it is it was it a dollar? Yeah, $1 billion bid, right.
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So obviously gets accepted by FIFA and then all of a sudden
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design get an investment from PIF, Saudi investment fund.
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So that's how it was done. Mate it's literally like corrupt
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left right it's. Corrupt like crazy and
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obviously, you know, Saudi are going to have the 20 is it 34
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World Cup? So you know, that was already in
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place. So this is just sports washing
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and yeah, blood money just being washed all over the place.
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Did Daddy Heard say he was going to do it for the banter?
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Yeah, come on as we need a meme I.
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Love it's it's it's the best meme ever.
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I also too many He's a genius. Like he's not proper David Brett
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though. The Essex version, yeah.
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Proper David Brett So look so season reflections like in terms
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of do you guys have any highs and lows lows have you have you
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covered this because it didn't all.
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Season the lows. No, I think we we all picked our
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moment of the season, the last pods.
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Obviously that was the highs. So we we didn't really go into
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the lows. So I.
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Think so you pick. There's about 100 of them.
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Let's let's rattle some off then.
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Bilbao, obviously. Yeah, go on.
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That's the that's the biggest low.
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That's the obvious one, Yeah, that's number one.
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I mean, we'll lose. We we were losing every other
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week or every week at one point at home.
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The the other big low that I can remember when I'm like, Oh dear,
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what's going on here was when the Newcastle game when Xerxi
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got subbed and was booed. And I just like, this is wrong.
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And I, I just felt horrible like for him, I'm so happy that he's
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really recovered from that and he ended up being a key player.
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But that Newcastle game where Ameren played Casimiro and
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Ericsson in the midfield against the most physical midfield in
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the league, and we got absolutely overrun.
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And it wasn't Xerxe's fault, but yeah, he was.
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He was awful as well, to be fair.
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Like that. Everyone was awful, Yeah, like
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the whole team was awful. But to see him get booed and
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then it was what was great and a high.
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I think it was like the next game or certainly soon after
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that, the Stratford End were doing the whole Joshua Zerksy
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chart and it was like that. That's how the song started.
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Yeah, yeah, the worst and the best of the the support.
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So like that was like a low and then a a big high and I'm really
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glad. That we're covered on that.
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I think in January, yeah, it was, it was your birthday
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weekend. Now, should we beat Arsenal
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away? And it's actually got the
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winning penalty, right? Yeah.
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So that was like the, you know, that was David.
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Bryant diving out the way of all our penalties.
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Thanks. Well, that there's one high that
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I just forgot about. That was.
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Brilliant. That was a good one actually,
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because Bruno scored a brilliant goal as well.
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Counter attack, yeah. I do.
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I genuinely maintain like cabs came up with some high and I'm
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like, what high was that? That was, you'd already won the
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league. How is that high?
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You've won the league and, you know, McAllister scores a goal
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and we know we've won the league.
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It's like we knew you won the league in January.
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Who cares, You know? So I think, yeah, we had
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Arsenal, we had the other one. Obviously we talked about Leon,
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but the in Bilbao when Harry Maguire did that on the wing, I
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was just laughing my ass with the with the first goal.
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It was just insane. Yeah, even Mason Mount in the
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second. Mason Mount, little little
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cheeky flick and then you knew we were going to the final and
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then we get on the Internet and start looking at flights and
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stuff. That was that was great.
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Ahmad obviously. And the ETTI had because yeah,
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yes, it's, it's lovely. Against City and it was a bit
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unexpected, so did we lose only two nil to Newcastle in that
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game? You're talking about us.
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I. Thought it was 3 but.
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That's what I thought but I've just been looking.
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I wanted to see what expected goals was for for Newcastle but
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it actually wasn't as high as I thought.
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But apparently we only lost two nil, but obviously we conceded 2
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in the 1st 19 minutes and I think they had other chant.
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They did have a disallowed goal. I think that was it.
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It could have been three nil within 30.
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And I think Esac put it in the top bins and he was offside I
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think by like a slither. But yeah, they're expected.
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Goals was at 1.92 but they probably took their foot off the
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gas a bit. Of a really bad hi.
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I want to say the dark side of me was when 10 Hard got fired
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because it was like a release valve for me.
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I was like, oh for God, thank God.
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There's something to look forward to.
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We're going to be marching up the table.
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We're going to be, you know, challenging for those Champions
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League spots. It's going to be fantastic.
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And yeah, it got worse, but that I've.
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Got one as well. Specific that that period of
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pure optimism and then and then Steve starting up the podcast as
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we get on the journey of, you know, the Reuben Amarim train.
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It was. It was.
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A roller coaster? Yeah, I've got one.
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One is basically yeah. November time, got the new
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manager, you know, vibes were meant to be good and then, you
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know, hit a big rocky patch and essentially got into a position
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where there was a chance we might get relegated.
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So we had a big six pointer against Ipswich midweek and if
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we'd have lost that game, I'm telling you it would have got a
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bit squeaky. But yeah, we we managed to pull
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out the win 32 so. Can I just ask like, don't you
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think, like I think we've probably spoke about it a
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billion times before and you guys have mentioned it as well,
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but like Man United, man in in like what, 16th position, 16th?
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1515, right, but we're calling it 17th.
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OK, fair. But like, don't you think that's
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crazy behaviour? It's unacceptable.
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It's unacceptable, but like, OK, is like, is it?
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My question is, like with Reuben coming in now and especially
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with the new season, like, have you given him like a pass for a
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slate, like a clean slate? Ash is fired two months ago.
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But but why Ash? But why?
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Like tell me what I said you. Just said it yourself.
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What, because he but he hasn't had a full season and full money
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and full all of that kind of thing.
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Go on, Kiss. Steve, you know what happened in
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the final? You lost the fucking Spurs.
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I mean, what else can I tell you?
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No. But do you think like you're
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being a bit like not patient with him?
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Who else is? Who's?
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Yeah. Because obviously if you look at
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it objectively, then yeah, you give him the window, you give
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him pre season and you allow him like to have the start of the
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season. But as Cabs pointed out on the
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last pod, he's lost all the goodwill because we were losing,
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you know, every week. It's the goodwill, I think, the
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fan, but a lot of when we're in Bilbao a lot.
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Of no goodwill in terms of like the atmosphere around him,
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right? You 2 have said it yourselves,
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if he loses two games at the start of next season, he's under
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massive pressure. Yeah, but at the moment there's
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a lot, I think there's a lot of sympathy.
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No, with the fans, there is goodwill.
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But I'm saying like the aura, like media, everything, right?
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Like it's it's what cabs was talking about, right?
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Like he's lost all of that because he has to perform like
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he's got no other option. Like he can't have a pass as in
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like, you know, even if you've got a bunch of draws, kids like,
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you know, let's say like we're like.
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It's not an excuse to fire him, though, to say that, oh, if this
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happened, this is bad. What's that?
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It's not an excuse to fire him. It is an excuse.
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That's what people will use. Like what?
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What? No.
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No. Now.
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Right now you're saying, oh, but if he loses 3 games, I'm like,
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yeah, but he hasn't lost three games.
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What if he wins three games? Yeah, but you guys have said
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exactly the same. So I'm only repeating what you
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guys have all agreed with. If he wins three games exactly,
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then he's looking good, obviously.
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And I want him to do well. I don't want, I don't obviously
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want him to get fired. It's just like I, I see the
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trajectory. I don't, no, wait, wait, wait,
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wait. Don't you do want him to be
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fired? You do want?
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No, I don't. Why would I want him to be
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fired? He's the United manager.
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I'm so confident. But you're, you're, you're
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saying he, he, he's more like he's very expendable.
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Yeah, at the moment, obviously, I mean, no.
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He's saying if he was in charge, he would fire him.
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He said that, yeah, but that doesn't mean I don't like him.
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That's too different. If you don't like him, I'm just
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saying. You just said that literally
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about two seconds ago. No, this is recorded on a pod,
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so you can rewind it and you can see that.
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I didn't say. That roll the tape.
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Roll the tape. Let's get the VIRI.
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Said you would fight, you would fire him if you were in charge.
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Yeah, unashamedly as well. Like you guys are absolutely off
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your heads. Like, there we go.
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Next season. Like it Next season starts with
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three defeats. Watch you 20.
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OK, we've got a firearm now. But but my question, the answer
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to that is, or my answer to that, my question to that is, is
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like, like who's going to replace him?
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There's a load of man who could do it, but really there is.
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There's a tonne of managers that can do it.
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Just because Steve doesn't know the list doesn't mean like
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there's not a list of managers. He could do a better job.
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I do know the list. It's a list of boring.
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Yeah, there you go. So that's what I mean.
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If you think they're boring, it's like you know you can stick
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with 17th and losing to Spurs. That's right.
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Yeah, exactly. I'll wait for my charisma next
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summer when the World Cups. Yeah, that's what I mean.
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You guys are happy to do that, right?
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I'm not because I'm not writing off another season, especially
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listening to, you know, this one Babble on about like, how good
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the transfer window is going to be.
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Like because because I all I don't know why, like I always
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think like our Man United, like Pip to the post, you know, be a
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Pochettino, be slot if that's his right name.
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I don't know if I said that right, but but yeah, like what?
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Like it seems like it works with everyone else, but why is it?
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Is it more higher than that? Is it above the manager?
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Like now with is some of the Ineos like top top team like
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change or something like. That go on Steve, this is your
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speciality and we'll get Jim. 'S in a second.
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Or in directors and all of that you.
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Know like pre Ineos, so two years ago we had 10-12 years or
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10 years basically post Fergie where it was a shit show.
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We had, you know, 4-5 managers kept failing.
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So then you get to a point and you say it's not the manager.
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So then everyone worked out five plus years ago that there's
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bigger things going on like recruitment, etcetera.
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And then Ineos come in they did make some good hires, like more
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football people. Obviously they fired one of
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them, Ashworth, so they're trying to change things.
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But I think, yeah, it is bigger than the manager and I think
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that's the big reason as to why Ruben does still have the
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backing of. Steve.
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Decent chunk of the fan base. As a novice, I want to know a
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little bit about the transfers in terms of like, look, are you
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gonna give Ruben a bit more kind of the purse like you've got
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who? Kunya, Kunya, and then what's
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happened to that? You know, Icarus or Gyro or
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whatever his name is, like Gyros Arsenal, Arsenal a lot like
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buying him now and then it's going to be one of those things.
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Ah damn, we nearly added, don't we?
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And then he's going to score like the top scorer of the
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bloody league or something like like, what's your thoughts on?
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That no, I'm going to give this one to ask because he wants to
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try and explain to me what what the strategy is.
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It's quite simple, Gokharez is a player wants to move to a
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Champions League club. That was that's been clear from
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day one. Arsenal are looking at 2
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strikers, Benjamin Chesco at RV Leipzig and Gokharez, and
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depending on who they can get, they'll pick, you know, I think
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it sounds like Arteta's top pick, Chesco, their Storting
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director, top pick is Gokharez. I at the end of the day, if the
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player doesn't want to come to the club, doesn't want to come
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to the club, I don't want players that don't want to be
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there. I also think there's a
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complication around his fee. He's got one, he's his agent is
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notorious, he's Frankie Deyong's agent, so there's rumours around
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his agent wanting €10 million of the fee.
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I think he's probably like just like you did with Deyong,
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playing one club after another. So there's lots of rumours
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around. My issue with the Goku is just
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generally he's, I don't like the age profile.
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I'm a bit little bit sceptical on goals in the Portuguese
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league as well. So it's not like a slam dunk.
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This is the new Earling Harland. So if we miss out on him, we
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miss out on him. Yeah, that's interesting.
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You think that about the Portuguese league is, you know,
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with Reuben, obviously you think it can be replicated like what
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he did. So yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, because like we don't have a striker like we
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have like Hoyland's just a ghost, right.
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So we need someone, we need goals in this team.
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I think Cunha addresses that to a certain extent.
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And our new friend Brian in Burmo as well, still rumoured to
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be interested. I know there's links to to
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Tottenham, but that would add some extra goals to the team.
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And then my my personal pick for if we can get the the man is
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Victor Ostman. That's who I want.
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I'd love that still floating around.
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We don't know what's going to happen with him would.
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You pay the wages, seeing as you're always so big on it and
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you didn't want Harry Kane on that basis.
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Yeah, I I think he needs to obviously have some kind of
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compromise on his wages, but he's only got one more year at
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Napoli, right. So it's kind of like, OK, you've
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got another year at Napoli, but we're giving you a five year
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deal. You come to Man United, do you
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want to piss around in Turkey again?
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Saudi Saudi are offering him mega money or rejected it right.
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So far, so far Al Hilal have made another offer to him.
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He's if you're saying, oh, who's the one you'd want ready made?
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I think he's he's he's class. But yeah, we'll see.
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Yeah, forget Al Hilal, come and join the Al Haram man on Monday
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night. Yeah.
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Exactly. That's what it's all about.
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Exactly. That's what it's all about, the
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dark side. Exactly, need a bit of that dark
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energy to score some goals. He needs to.
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He needs to follow on the straight path I was.
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Just going to say the trouble is because it's budget as well,
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we're limited by budget. So obviously we had Kieran
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McGuire on, you know, came and told us about United situations.
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So it's not like we have a blank cheque book.
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So we had a limited budget. I think the rumours are we
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started with a pot of around 100 million to spend and anything on
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top we'll need to generate sales.
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So they went big on Cunya first and pretty much spent a big
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chunk of that. Would you have done that, Steve?
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No, I would have gone all eggs in the striker.
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And this is where I disagree with us because he says Gokharez
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wants Champions League football, which he will want in an ideal
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scenario. But there's a lot of clubs like
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just kind of like hovering around and, you know, finding
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out the price. Whereas if we'd have gone
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straight, start the window, just pay the flip in how I know the
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sporting director saying 80 million euros is the actual
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clause. Is that right?
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100 million, but €100 million, right, So what's that £80
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million roughly? 5 million yeah 85,000,000 OK, we
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paid. 70, It's the mistakes of the past, wrong age, overpay.
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It's just I just don't want to do it.
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I'd rather same with Brian and Burmo.
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There's Tottenham of bid 70. Just walk like we've got to
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start walking away, yeah. But we're not in the situation
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to walk. We're not in the.
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Situation to walk. I'd rather I'd rather be 15th
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again and you rebuild the financial club and then make
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bad. My God you are literally trying
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to get the club relegated. No, I'm not.
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I'm, I'm saying that the the way to run a club is not to just
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keep throwing money, Bad money after bad money.
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You've got to set a valuation on players.
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If the players are not available at that valuation, wait, be
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patient, build your finances up and go again in in the next
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summer. And that's the way we should be
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run. As a look at what Liverpool did
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last summer. Who did they buy?
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Nobody. They bought Kiaza, New manager
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comes in. We don't have a striker, they
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had my seller. And we don't have a decade of
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good recruitment behind us. Yeah, it's it's about like it's
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about not making the mistakes the past and just throwing, you
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know, bad money at the problem. There's a certain valuation and
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then you have a certain overpay, like CUNY was an overpay.
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But I think he's a really good player.
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He'd had a really good season. Brazilian international Carlos
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come in at the Brazil team and he's picked Cunya as his number
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10 dump. He's a, you know, he's.
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Yeah, but if we're paying 65,000,000 for Cunya is what's
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80 million for? Gokharis isn't exactly
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ridiculous, and his wages are central.
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Gokharis, this is the point. It's like where you're going off
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like, oh, he's a striker and he scored goals, yes.
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How do you know? It's worth, I'm telling you
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he's. Not worth 80 million and you're
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saying he is? Why do you think you're right
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and I'm wrong? Because I, I think the striker
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hole in our team is huge. And if you address that, you
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potentially jump up five to seven positions just from that.
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I I I totally agree. But you can't just throw money
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at the problem and it. No, I'm not saying that.
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I'm saying go and make a statement signing like that.
20:14
That's what I would I think. Brian and Burmo would be a
20:16
statement signing but again I want to draw the line at where
20:19
what you pay for him. I think like Premier League,
20:21
proven players are the way to go or players that you know are at
20:26
the elite level. Like Gokarez was at Coventry
20:28
before this. If you look at his career, his
20:31
career is, you know, not many much better than Rasmus Hoyland,
20:34
but you know, it's coming to the peak of that.
20:36
I mean, Mbumo, if you go with the Carl Anka pronunciation,
20:40
he's he's his first. It's his first season this year
20:43
getting more than ten goals. He got twenty goals this year.
20:47
I was looking at the stats last night because.
20:49
He's prepping ready. Nine goals last season, 9 goals
20:52
the season before and the season before that.
20:54
He's in the Championship, so it's not exactly, you know, set
20:57
in the world at Light. Yeah, but he's got the assists,
21:00
that's the thing. It's why not go all eggs on
21:02
Victor Osman like you do a lower transfer, lower transfer fee
21:07
because he's got one year and the wages is the bigger problem.
21:10
100% the issue with Osman and this is the issue with the
21:12
transfer window. There's some transfers that can
21:14
be done early and others that are going to be done late.
21:18
I think the way that De Laurentiis is De Laurentiis, the
21:21
owner of Napoli, he's a super hard negotiator.
21:24
Just like Osserman went at the deadline of the window.
21:27
This to me is something that will.
21:29
Keep going. You shouldn't pay De Laurentiis
21:31
175,000,000 for Osserman with one year on his contract.
21:34
It's ridiculous. We're screened then because
21:37
like, you have to wait till the end of the summer for Victor
21:42
Osserman. And Gokrez won't go Gokrez if,
21:47
let's say, Arsenal. Well, unless Arsenal actually do
21:49
it, I don't think they will. Yeah, let's say yeah, I think
21:51
they'll get Cesco, right? Let's say Chelsea have just
21:53
signed a lapse. They don't need a striker.
21:55
City don't need a striker. Let's say Liverpool don't go for
21:58
Gokrez, they go for EZAC or they go for someone else, right?
22:02
Maybe the what's the I Frankfurt striker called again?
22:06
Oh, Ekitike. So let's say ekitike say go for
22:08
Ekitike. Who's say that one kiss?
22:11
Chicka tikka like ABBA chicka. Chick take a chance on me.
22:16
Chicken tikka and and Jai. That's what I mean, chicken
22:18
tikka. We have to, right?
22:20
We've got a whole 3 course menu at the time where the transfers
22:22
done. That's entrees.
22:24
You have to be a little bit patient and wait for the
22:26
dessert. Like there's people who go, you
22:27
know, they're, they're going to buy up the starters.
22:29
The main courses are there. And at some point you go, oh,
22:32
wait a minute and this, the transfer windows this like
22:36
longer period where everyone's, there's certain deals you can
22:38
get done earlier and there are other deals that there's a few
22:41
dominoes to fall in different transfers and we have to wait
22:44
for Arsenal to make their decision.
22:47
Right, summer sports, football season's over.
22:51
What are you guys kind of watching?
22:54
Following. I did watch the F1, which have
22:56
you ever? Watched a full race like end to
22:58
end. No, I, I did, yeah, I did switch
23:02
off a little bit during the middle of the race.
23:05
Oh OK, so you didn't watch this one end to end either.
23:07
No, not end to end. Yeah, I watched the start of it
23:11
and then I was hoping for a crash or something exciting, but
23:13
it was it was nicely crash there.
23:15
Was a crash. At the start, right?
23:17
The start was. Oh, you wanted a crash between
23:20
George? I wanted Max to like try and
23:21
overtake Russell on the first bend like I would have, but no.
23:26
It was good driving though, like seeing that first few laps and
23:30
it's a short circuit, right, Canada, like they were doing the
23:32
laps quickly. Yeah, pretty short lap yeah, but
23:36
I don't know it just it's probably too technical because
23:38
you know like when the drivers have pitted and then you like
23:42
like I said to you, why is Max in 4th and you're like, oh,
23:44
technically still second. It's almost like you need a
23:47
virtual leaderboard of excluding the pits.
23:50
What's the actual leaderboard? It's.
23:52
In your head for the you can't do the math.
23:54
Come on, they need 25 seconds for a pit stop.
23:57
You just add it on. They need AT20 version of
23:59
Formula One where there's no pit stops.
24:01
It's that is a Sprint. It's called a Sprint.
24:03
We have the Sprint I. Was going to.
24:05
I was just about to agree with you, Steve.
24:07
I was like. Yeah, so what's the six races of
24:10
the year? They have a Sprint race.
24:11
So the normal format for the weekend is 3 sessions of
24:16
practise. Qualifying sets, the grid for
24:18
the race in the main race and the Sprint race weekend.
24:21
You just have the one practise session, then you have a
24:24
qualifying session for the Sprint race and then you have a
24:28
Sprint race and you have a qualifying session for the main
24:31
race in the main race. So there's two races and then
24:34
the Sprint race is 1/3 distance. You can pit, but because it's
24:37
1/3 distance, typically they'll try and do it in one stint.
24:41
Now The thing is, the problem is with a lot of circuits or a lot
24:46
of F1, a lot of it comes down to, and the interest is the
24:49
strategy is managing tyres and do you do a two stop, a one
24:53
stop, a three stop? So you lose that.
24:55
So even though you're like, oh, I just want, you know, flag to
24:58
flag or lights to flag, you're, you're missing the intrigue.
25:02
So part of the intrigue of the the race in Canada was the fact
25:06
that, yeah, Max, Max came in early because he, you know,
25:10
wasn't happy with his ties. Russell has to follow him in
25:13
because Max on new ties can then overtake because he's got brand
25:16
new ties. So Russell has to follow him in.
25:18
McLaren's slightly behind that they they left it out longer.
25:24
What that meant was towards the end of the race they had fresher
25:26
tyres and they were coming back. So you kind it's like this.
25:29
You have to like follow the story and.
25:31
Yeah, no, that's fair. The.
25:32
Strategy and then and and then someone like Charles in the
25:37
Ferrari wanted to do a one stop, which will be different from a
25:40
two stop. So even though you might be
25:41
like, oh, he's going a bit slower, it takes you about 25
25:45
seconds to change your tyre. So it's part of the whole
25:48
intrigue of Formula One. It's is this.
25:50
I guess. I guess I.
25:51
Can see their faces. They're not buying this.
25:55
I guess I'm going to say no, I'm you have to be at two stop I.
26:00
Was going to say kiss was like stop stop talking.
26:03
No, You know how fizer list was about football?
26:06
I guess that's me about F1. Just fucking race.
26:09
Yeah. No, I, I think when I, when I do
26:11
watch it and I remember watching it with Ash back in the days,
26:14
like especially that Verstappen race.
26:16
I think we watched a Verstappen Hamilton race, which was like
26:19
the most, you know, drama kind of thing in.
26:22
Abu Dhabi, 2021, Yeah. Abu Dhabi.
26:25
All right, Flintstone. But yeah, it was, it was Barney
26:32
Rubble. But it was really good.
26:35
And I think obviously, yeah, drives to survivors obviously
26:39
done like wonders for it. Are you going to watch the F1
26:43
Brad Pitt thing, aren't you? Yeah.
26:45
But before we get on to that, have you guys like watched Drive
26:49
to Survive? Kids obviously love to know like
26:52
your thoughts if you have, because you know the production
26:55
and everything about it. I think if I were to be totally
26:58
honest, I watched the first ever series 1 episode 1 and I thought
27:02
it was the packaged really well. Like, I think the main thing I
27:08
suppose as well is true reflection of the drama and they
27:14
kind of really hype it up to a proper like movie, movie
27:17
production values. Like, you know, the engines, the
27:19
sounds, all of that kind of roaring drama is really good.
27:22
I mean, first of all, like credit for, I mean, they must
27:25
get, you know, huge amount of like moolah, but like getting
27:28
all that access and kind of getting all the like, you know,
27:34
info and all the things that come from it is like phenomenal.
27:39
Netflix doing that obviously speaks wonders, but I think that
27:42
alone is brilliant. And you could also see like
27:44
what's her face? Reese Witherspoon's company has
27:48
now done the the women's F1 Academy thing, which is really
27:52
interesting. But no, I know people I know who
27:57
have never watched or know anything about F1 as a result of
28:01
Draught to Survive. I've gone to like Monaco when
28:03
places like that because they just love the drama of it.
28:06
But they still don't understand the different strategies
28:09
probably. That's The funny thing is I
28:11
watch Drive to Survive. I'm like, I don't know, I I
28:14
enjoy it because of the the stories in the people politics.
28:18
Yeah. But in terms of actually
28:20
understanding the sport, I don't think it explains the sport that
28:23
well. No more a.
28:26
Bit more done like a series and the soaps.
28:28
Exactly. I was literally about to say
28:30
EastEnders. Yeah, it's EastEnders style.
28:32
It's about the drama. It's about Christian Horner, you
28:35
know. Yeah, big ego, man.
28:37
Well, for me, they're interested.
28:39
Who's the Phil? Rachel.
28:40
It's a good question, Toto. No.
28:47
Yeah. That's a good shot then, right?
28:52
Yeah. If you want a recommendation,
28:55
another summer sport that's completely random that I love,
28:59
that is don't say. You say paddle, I'm leaving.
29:01
So random is Tour de France and there's a brilliant Netflix Tour
29:07
de France and it actually you will understand cycling better.
29:11
Brailsford's obviously not involved anymore, but you'll
29:13
understand cycling's a quite a complex sport.
29:16
So when Brailsford. Bloody hard sport, yeah.
29:19
Jesus, Brailsford's success, you know, shouldn't be
29:21
underestimated what Team Sky did.
29:24
I mean, it's a very complicated sport, but he.
29:26
Drugs aside. Yeah, but the cycling's
29:29
notorious but. Yeah, I know.
29:31
Like they all do it. It's just the levels.
29:33
And who get cycling is, to me, it is the most extreme
29:38
endurance. I just don't understand how they
29:41
do it. Like stuff it's it's just beyond
29:44
belief. The levels of like football
29:46
people, footballers need a certain level of fitness.
29:49
But these guys are, it's going up, you know, ALP dues, you
29:54
know, very thin air and pedalling at that level.
29:58
And it's just you're seeing their veins popping and they're
30:00
just their bodies. Shrivel.
30:02
But is it? Is it actually exciting, though?
30:03
Oh yeah, I'm sure I oh, because is.
30:05
It to me when I when I see like I'll I don't tune in for that
30:08
whole thing. I'll come in typically a Tour de
30:11
front stage ends about 4:30. So I'll TuneIn at the 3:30 ITV 4
30:16
or Eurosport and and off. You know, if, especially if it's
30:19
a summit climb to see them climb like the colder to Malay ALP du
30:24
airs these big climbs and see the strain on the face, like the
30:28
actual like physical pain that this person is going through.
30:32
It's just to me, it's drama. Like I'm watching it like, how
30:35
is this person doing this? And then, and then, and then
30:38
you'll see this moment where they crack and they're gone.
30:40
And then they just fall backwards and you're like, Oh my
30:42
God, he's gone, He's cracked. They push the continuous spin it
30:47
limit, like to the limit of physical endurance.
30:49
And, and for me, it's just, it's just a spectacle seeing people
30:53
push themselves to that limit. I just don't understand it.
30:56
It's just, it's, it's when I see human, that's why I love sport.
30:59
It's like it takes human capacity to the absolute limit,
31:03
right? And, and to me, cycling is it's
31:06
3 once one bike race is one thing, but they do race after
31:11
race for three weeks up the highest mountains in Europe.
31:14
Sprint stages, time trail stages, mountain stages.
31:18
You see the. Beauty.
31:19
No, I rate. I rate the endurance.
31:21
I'm just as as a spectacle. Fair enough, though I can.
31:24
See, but you tune in for the key bits, right?
31:26
So if it's Sprint stage like Cavendish is the record holder
31:29
in Tour de France, stage is a sprinter.
31:31
You literally only need to watch the last 10 minutes like or even
31:34
the last two minutes. Kids, if you want us to switch
31:37
sports, just say. How many miles is it?
31:40
Oh, some crazy like 2000s. It's it's Tour de France is a
31:46
mate like for me, like great summer sport.
31:49
I'm looking. Is it?
31:50
Is it every? Is it every summer?
31:51
Every Yeah, it's. Every summer.
31:53
Kids imagine continuous spinning but like times 50.
31:57
But I would say like, go and watch the Netflix of that
32:00
because you will see the behind the scenes of cycling and you're
32:03
like, this is insane. This is complete.
32:05
And they put their lives at risk because the not just the climb,
32:09
it's the descent. You watch a cyclist descend and
32:12
you're like, Oh my God, like Steve, do you remember going
32:14
through Basque in the car going the ultimate fastest 70 miles an
32:19
hour on a bike with no barriers? I'm just like watching this
32:22
going, Oh my God, what? This guy's going to die.
32:25
And people have like literally nearly lost their lives.
32:28
So then they have crashes all the time and.
32:31
The accidents are just terrible. You.
32:33
Just see, like the blood in the guts of this, it's just, it's,
32:37
it's just crazy. It's just crazy.
32:41
And or you could have a bit of Wimbledon with strawberry and
32:45
strawberries and. Cream, right It's.
32:47
Just a strawberry cream. Who?
32:48
Who is it? Yeah, is it?
32:51
Djokovic is still about, isn't it?
32:53
Yeah. And what about the young lad?
32:56
Alkaraz. Alkaraz.
32:57
Garlito. Yeah, who else is kind of like.
33:01
Popping up #1 Jacques Sinard. OK.
33:05
When does Wimbledon start? 30th of June on Monday, I think
33:10
personally, potentially his last chance to do the 25 is this
33:14
Wimbledon, and he could do it and he could what's.
33:16
The 25 is that grand Slams? Slams, yeah.
33:20
Is that the record or he's got the record in it?
33:23
He has it. But yeah, it's a, you know, it's
33:25
a landmark number, isn't it? Oh, I've got to mention cricket.
33:30
Cricket is England versus India, SO5 Test matches.
33:34
So that's really going to, you know, keep her intrigue kids.
33:37
But obviously it's going to be a huge sum of of cricket.
33:41
So yeah, man, you know, you'll probably see Stuart Broad, like,
33:44
walking around. Yeah, he lives at the end, so
33:46
see him with old Molly. Old Molly.
33:48
So he'll be commentating I'm sure.
33:50
So you'll see him at the Oval and and that Lords no, no
33:53
doubts. And a huge contingent of Indian
33:57
fans around the country. Unfortunately, Virat Kohli and
34:01
Rohit Sharma, they're 2 superstars have retired so they
34:05
won't be around. It's a shame because we all
34:09
thought that would be the farewell tour and it would have
34:11
been a better spectacle. But it will still be a really
34:13
good Test series of Always in English.
34:18
I was going to say that's in England.
34:20
Right, Yeah. So, you know, India like back in
34:23
the day, they really struggled here.
34:24
But you know, with with the money that they're generating
34:29
these days and like the talent pool, it's so big and vast.
34:34
You know, they've got so they got so much talent coming
34:37
through. It's insane through the IPL.
34:40
And obviously that, you know, feeds into, you know, their
34:43
national team. Just to wrap up, anything else
34:46
you guys are up to in terms of summer, like you go to any gigs
34:49
or concerts or anything like that?
34:52
Oh yeah, I mean, and we all go into Oasis.
34:56
Yeah, you go to Oasis, Ashley, have I got you?
34:59
Plus, what is it you? Might have to.
35:04
You might have to put a bid in like everyone else.
35:07
No, I'd. Pay the release clause.
35:09
Pay. Pay the money.
35:11
Show me the money. When is it when you guys go?
35:15
Are you all going on the same day?
35:17
It's loads of dates, right? So, Steve, where are you going?
35:21
I'm going Manchester, I think it's the 11th of July.
35:24
That's one of the best ones, isn't it?
35:25
Yeah, I think it's the first or second weekend.
35:27
Yeah, I. Think that'll be fun?
35:29
Yeah, heat and park. I think there's 100,000.
35:33
Thanks. Going to be there.
35:35
It's funny because I got an e-mail the other day from
35:37
Ticketmaster say because it's heat, it's just a big park, so
35:40
everyone's got a standing ticket.
35:42
But I got an e-mail saying you can apply to be in the front.
35:45
Just sounds like a mosh pit, basically.
35:47
Yeah. So I didn't, I didn't apply for
35:49
that. But yeah, it's quite funny that
35:50
you had to apply to be in the mosh pit.
35:52
All standing. Oh, I can't do standing these
35:54
days, man. No, I rambly.
35:56
Don't worry, they're looking after you posh Southerners.
35:58
I think they've got seats for you.
36:00
I think, I think my tickets are standing.
36:02
Yeah, I I would definitely swap them for seats if but yeah, if
36:06
anyone. 'S listening.
36:07
Yeah, if anyone wants to, I think I've got opening Wembley
36:11
gig. I think it's Friday night.
36:13
Is it how many you got, Ash? 2.
36:16
Two. OK, cool.
36:18
Just on the one day. Yeah, it's got someone's name on
36:22
it. Yeah.
36:23
Does it say K Hawk? What?
36:26
What date have you got us? I don't actually know.
36:29
I have no idea. It's one of the dates I didn't
36:31
so corporate and the Oasis gig because Ashley's going to now
36:36
get, you know, you're going to be his plus one.
36:38
He's got, yeah. What would be your what would be
36:40
your top five songs they've come up with?
36:43
That's hard. OK, I like Round Our way.
36:46
She's she's electric. It's probably my favourite.
36:49
Yeah, it's a good one. It's a really.
36:50
Good one. I'm trying to think of the non
36:54
cliche. Ones, yeah, I was going to say
36:56
you could almost do a top ten. You put the five cliche ones
36:59
into that, into that section, right and.
37:00
Then it's I like purely without vocals.
37:03
I like the one they used and snatch fucking in the bushes.
37:06
I think that's phenomenal. That's a good thing.
37:10
Slide away, banger. I like slide away.
37:13
I do like, oh God, there's so many champagne supernova.
37:17
You might say that's thingy a bit more, you know, supersonic.
37:22
I do, yeah. And then you've got the
37:23
wonderwalls and whatever back in.
37:26
Don't look back in Anger. Yeah, I think the five cliche
37:29
ones are Wonderwall, Don't Look back in Anger, Champagne,
37:32
Supernova, Live Forevers in there.
37:34
But it's a tune, isn't it? But it's still cliche.
37:37
What's wrong with the? Cliche.
37:40
No, it's fine, but. You basically, oh, you've got
37:42
your catalogue of five, a bit like they were doing the top
37:45
five goals on the overlap, right?
37:47
You've got your like, top five. Didn't realise Champagne
37:49
Supernova was in there. That's interesting.
37:51
Yeah, I didn't mind that it wasn't there when I was growing.
37:54
Up, Yeah, I think recently. I thought, I thought roll with
37:57
it would be in the top five, but maybe that's a generational
37:59
thing. Because I saw Leon Gallagher.
38:02
I saw Liam Gallagher in Manchester last year and I saw
38:04
him at Knebworth three years ago and I think.
38:06
Did she might Knebworth. He's brilliant man, he is.
38:08
Brilliant. I think that's why they got back
38:10
together because Knowles like, what's this guy doing making all
38:13
this money off my songs so. I was gonna say sorry.
38:18
Have you listened to the net Worth album on Spotify?
38:22
It's brilliant. I've watched the concerts on
38:24
YouTube a few times, yeah. So what's the top five cliche
38:27
ones? So yeah, 100% Wonderwall.
38:30
Yeah, yeah. Don't look back in anger.
38:32
Yeah, I would put Champagne Supernova in there.
38:34
That's freeze, yeah. Yeah.
38:36
And then I've, I said Wonderwall, Wonderwall's in
38:39
there, right? No, we said wonder.
38:40
We said Wonderwall, don't look back in anger and champagne
38:44
Supernova. So that's free, so possibly.
38:46
Supersonic, but maybe not. I'd put live forever.
38:48
Live forever. I I can show.
38:50
Yeah, that's four. Yeah.
38:51
OK, so then so I was gonna say their top five on Spotify is
38:54
Wonderwall, Don't Look Back in Anger, Stop Crying your heart
38:57
out, Champagne Supernova and live forever.
39:00
So that's their five. OK, So there's hits after hits,
39:05
hits after hits. So if you're doing a 5 outside
39:08
of that, then what's the five outside of that?
39:11
So I definitely think she's electric.
39:13
For me it's a good track. I'd put slide away in.
39:15
It's like my show. Round our way I love, I think
39:19
it's brilliant. There's so many, isn't there?
39:20
As that's the problem magic. The the most non Oasis song that
39:25
that I think is brilliant is Master Plan, but it's not very
39:29
Oasis. It's kind of Noel Gallagher
39:30
doing his thing. Yeah.
39:32
My master plan's AB side, you know, AB side is kids.
39:36
Come. On I don't know, I honestly, I
39:39
chat to kids and I'm like oh we used to listen to cassettes and
39:41
they had AB side and this is the B side.
39:43
You turn the cassette over and press play.
39:46
I used to like it used to be a record I.
39:50
Think it's good you're not that young?
39:52
Yeah, the most amount of exercise with my hands was this,
39:55
you know. Good.
39:59
It was that and not something else.
40:00
You were trying to describe that.
40:02
Funny story, I I, I bought, I bought guitar and then I learned
40:06
how to play Wonderwall and then I gave up so.
40:09
Could you still play it? No, I don't think so.
40:11
What's? The easiest song in the world.
40:13
I know, I know. I've done it like 10 years ago.
40:16
I completed it. I completed it.
40:19
But no, that's good. But so I'll see you there,
40:22
right? Yep, we'll be listening.
40:26
So what song did you go with us? You going with Master?
40:29
No, the one the song I used to love in again it's a non album
40:32
song but they released as a single is whatever.
40:35
Oh, that's the one I was bloody going to use.
40:37
Yeah, that that I put that in the top.
40:39
Five, I'd put that in the CLI. Yeah, I'd put that in the Cliche
40:41
1 though. Yeah, OK.
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And the and the probably, but it's.
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A great track. Because these are all of the
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first two albums I'd quite like be here now.
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Do you know what I mean as well? The helicopter comes in and the
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duh and it builds up. Really.
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Sky used to use a lot of these songs actually for their intro
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so do you know what I mean? Used to be Monday Night Football
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back in the day. Yeah, and of course.
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I'll I'll go with roll with it then, seeing as that's not been
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mentioned. That was from what's the story
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morning glory like that was actually like my first real
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proper into Oasis because like definitely maybe like I was a
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little bit too young, but I think what's the story morning
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glory might be my first album as well.
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Got it from CD. Wow in the.
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Catalogue. Mine was 2.
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Mine was 2PAC. All eyes on me from HMV.
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OH. Yeah, good choice is it is.
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It Half the World Away is the theme tune to the royal family.
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Is it? Yeah, that, that's a good.
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One. Yeah, that's another B side.
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Yeah, yeah. Play that on guitar for you on
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the next pod. Yeah, nice, nice, nice.
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On that note, let's leave it. So, yeah, lovely to catch up,
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boys. Yeah, that's a wrap.