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Movie Review Rewind, Ep. 58: American Movie (1999) · Nashville Movie Dispatch

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Speaker 1: Flipping back the calendar to highlight Yesteryear's finess while exploring
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Speaker 1: the vast archives in cinema history. This is the Movie
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Speaker 1: Review Rewind podcast on Nashville Movie Dispatch. He's got a
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Speaker 1: goal and he's going after it. This is the movie
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Speaker 1: Review Rewind podcast, and today we are talking about nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety nine's American movie the documentary following two filmmakers or
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Speaker 1: one filmmaker and a crew of friends titled Producers in
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Speaker 1: the Wisconsin area. This is a big one. This is
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Speaker 1: a special show. We'll get into all the reasons why.
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Speaker 1: But I'm your host for the show, the EIC at
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Speaker 1: co host for the show. He is a board member
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Speaker 1: of the Music City Film Critics Association, a member of
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Speaker 1: the Southeastern Film Critics Association. He's our resident film critic,
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Speaker 1: mister big shot himself, Brandon vic Brandon. How you doing today,
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Speaker 1: my man?
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Speaker 2: You know I'm not doing too bad? But I did
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Speaker 2: have my first sunburn of the season.
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Speaker 1: So right, well it is March of twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 1: so that is.
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Speaker 2: Right. Well, you know, it's pretty bad.
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Speaker 1: It's starting to get over warm on.
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Speaker 2: A totally different movie on my mind. Yeah, you know
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Speaker 2: what a case. Valentine's Day was wonderful. My kid had
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Speaker 2: a birthday. I'm not peeling, I'm not. Yeah, no, it's fine.
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Speaker 1: I mean the song comes out in March.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it does anymore. Yeah, it's twenty six,
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. The state of the world's affairs.
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Speaker 2: Y, yeah, there's only three countries left.
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Speaker 1: I had a dark thought not too long ago.
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Speaker 2: Was it this year?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, no, no, it was last year. It was last year, sorry,
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Speaker 1: last summer. As a matter of fact, we do these
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Speaker 1: episodes like so far in advance that I mean, they're
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Speaker 1: evergreen shows. So the only risk that we run is
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Speaker 1: like if somebody in the movie dies or something in between,
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Speaker 1: eight months advance that we record these things. Yeah, makes
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Speaker 1: the episode might look a little insensitive. Yeah, it's the
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Speaker 1: risk we run. But I was thinking, like, man, what if,
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Speaker 1: like we're recording these episodes and I'm scheduling them to
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Speaker 1: release eight months in advance, and like the world just
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Speaker 1: completely falls into chaos and it is the Walking Dead
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Speaker 1: just a complete dystopian future. But there are still new
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Speaker 1: episodes of the movie review Rewind podcast that.
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Speaker 2: It could a highlight of someone's day.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, theme song playing on like a zombies head like
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Speaker 3: with headphones.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like, man, the world has fallen apart,
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Speaker 1: But how are these guys still producing podcasts?
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Speaker 2: How are they doing it? And then depending on the
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Speaker 2: movie we're talking about, would be a real like today
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Speaker 2: would be like if.
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Speaker 1: It would the world's ending, and these guys haven't even
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Speaker 1: mentioned it. They're just talking about their sunburns.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I did have one.
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Speaker 1: It's because we recorded it eight months in advance.
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Speaker 2: I don't really like I don't. I don't know. I
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Speaker 2: don't like being outside really.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's fine. I can hang by the pool
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Speaker 2: a few hours, but I gotta go in. I can
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Speaker 2: hang at the beach for a few hours, but I
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Speaker 2: gotta go in.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I and of all the years that have known
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Speaker 2: my wife, I don't I just don't understand why she
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Speaker 2: doesn't understand them. I have perfectly I've made it very clear.
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Speaker 2: I don't like it. I hate putting on skunscreen, on sunscreen,
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Speaker 2: but I have to. My feet look like their three socks,
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Speaker 2: white socks are on them, but I don't care.
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Speaker 1: I like being outside, but I hate the beach and
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Speaker 1: my wife has My wife has accepted that to the
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Speaker 1: point where now she will make fun of me because
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Speaker 1: we'll have like a tiny umbrella out there and I
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Speaker 1: will be like curled up, yeah, meeting umbrella, and she's
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Speaker 1: like taking pictures like look at this loser.
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Speaker 2: Oh, here's the thing. I'm fine with sitting on a
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Speaker 2: balcony listening to the ocean. Same here, reading a book
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Speaker 2: or having to drink and I'm fine. I just make
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Speaker 2: me in the Yeah, you bake me in the sand.
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Speaker 2: And you have other people that are interfering. But because
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Speaker 2: I have a kid, I have to make it fun
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Speaker 2: for him, so I can't be that guy that you
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Speaker 2: know where I'm like, all I do is bitch and
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Speaker 2: moan until we go till somebody takes me inside so
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Speaker 2: I can sleep. But I don't know. I spend all
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Speaker 2: my time like at the pool and stuff, and my
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Speaker 2: wife's like, hey, do you want to jump in I'm like,
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Speaker 2: I did this shit yesterday, Like I can't keep doing it. Like,
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Speaker 2: let's go in. Like when my son's like, oh, should
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Speaker 2: we watch The Grinch when it's you know, June, I'm like, sure,
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Speaker 2: whatever gets me gets me off and the fucking ac Yeah, fine,
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Speaker 2: I'm okay with it.
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Speaker 1: I just hate the sand. I'm a sweater. We've already
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Speaker 1: discussed this on our Best of twenty twenty five podcasts
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Speaker 1: last July. That's right, which I'm sure you guys all
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Speaker 1: listen to probably, but yeah, I like my body retains moisture,
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Speaker 1: so if I sit in the sand, I'm gonna it's
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Speaker 1: gonna stick to me.
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Speaker 2: Well, and it's like it's and I tell my wife,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, it's like getting sick because sunburn. It's it's
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Speaker 2: it's an inconvenience. If you you don't know what you
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Speaker 2: can wear, you take a shower, it hurts, and then
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Speaker 2: like I'll show where like my shoulders are a bit
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Speaker 2: red and she's like, like everyone basically just calls me
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Speaker 2: a pansy, you know, like hey, that's fine and stuff.
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Speaker 2: And so what I end up doing is hiding it
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Speaker 2: when I'm laying in bed because it does hurt, but
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Speaker 2: I can't really speak out because yeah, made fun of right,
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Speaker 2: no one understands it within my family, and I'm like, okay, well,
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Speaker 2: I guess I just won't say anything. And then like
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Speaker 2: my brother in law and stuff will come up to
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Speaker 2: me and touch my shoulder and I try not to
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Speaker 2: piss my pants because it hurts, but if I tell
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Speaker 2: him it.
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Speaker 1: Hurts, he's gonna do it more. Right.
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Speaker 2: I may be an only child, but I'm no fool.
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Speaker 2: I know what people will will jump on and pick apart.
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Speaker 1: Something spoken like a true graduate of the Harvard of
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Speaker 1: the South MTSU, which we also happen to have at
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Speaker 1: the table with. This is another graduate of the Harvard
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Speaker 1: of the South MTSU. That other voice you hear is
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Speaker 1: our buddy, Brett. He's back. We're gonna talk about American
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Speaker 1: movie today. Brett. How are you doing?
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Speaker 3: I'm doing good. Let me give you a life hack
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Speaker 3: for the beach. Oh yeah. We we take an annual
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Speaker 3: beach trip usually, and I have invested in not one,
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Speaker 3: but multiple long sleeve sunshirts. You know, you know, like
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Speaker 3: a cool kid.
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Speaker 2: And let me let me stop you there. I will
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Speaker 2: tell you the first day I got some burnt. I
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Speaker 2: put on my long sleeve shirt and swim in the
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Speaker 2: damn face so it would not do it.
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Speaker 3: Yes, let me clarify when I say long sleeve sunshirt,
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Speaker 3: I mean for swimming too.
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Speaker 2: No, No, I I have my shorts that show my nutsack,
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Speaker 2: but I will cover my my chest in my arms
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Speaker 2: because those can't get some burnt. But also my family
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Speaker 2: has a history of skin cancer, so parts of me
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Speaker 2: like I can't get past that. But but yes, I'm like,
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Speaker 2: as soon as my shoulders and back got red, I
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Speaker 2: told my wife, I said, that's it. I'm putting on.
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Speaker 2: I'm putting on my shirt. And I usually will like
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Speaker 2: go in the ocean and stuff and then just put
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Speaker 2: it back on like you send in the beach. Put
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Speaker 2: it back on, turn it, you know, take it off.
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Speaker 2: I just don't let my nipples hang out anymore. But
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Speaker 2: those long sea I'm good. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: give a show like Columbia's things that those are very nice. Now,
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Speaker 2: I still try to keep it classy and try to
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Speaker 2: match them with my bathing suit. Sure, that is a
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Speaker 2: nice hack. And it's actually nice at the ocean because
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Speaker 2: the beach with the wind and the breeze. It's better
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Speaker 2: than you're pretty Kentucky in the in the fucking desert
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Speaker 2: in them.
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Speaker 3: I actually I said it's march I both of you guys.
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Speaker 3: I was a sporting a trademark Sobros. Tank top recently
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Speaker 3: and I sent you guys a picture of that, and
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Speaker 3: Brandon mentioned the white T shirt that was underneath it,
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Speaker 3: which was my skin. I had been at the beach
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Speaker 3: four days before that.
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Speaker 2: Well then you covered yourself.
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Speaker 3: Well yeah, well I actually.
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Speaker 2: Laughed because I was gonna say white turtleneck. But I observed,
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Speaker 2: well your picture. I don't know if that makes sense
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Speaker 2: back and definitely do tea.
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Speaker 3: It would have worked. I used to try to get
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Speaker 3: a tan. This used to be a thing that I
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Speaker 3: tried to work on. But then I thought, who am I?
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Speaker 3: Who am I getting a tan for?
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Speaker 2: Isn't that I think that's probably every I think that's
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Speaker 2: every guy's thing. Is like when you're tan in the summer,
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Speaker 2: need to be like I did to do tanning band
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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But I would try and like
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Speaker 2: go out and like get in the pool and like
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Speaker 2: you wouldn't put sunscreen on, or if you did, it
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Speaker 2: would be I don't know, thirty or something like that.
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Speaker 2: But I tell you what, guys, I haven't given. I
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Speaker 2: haven't cared, and I mean it int least ten years.
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Speaker 1: I used to sunbathe completely nude, which the house I
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Speaker 1: grew up in, there were parts of the property where
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Speaker 1: you could and not be seen. But I would wear
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Speaker 1: like the tanning oil and I would just roast out
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Speaker 1: there and I would think like, I'm this is gonna
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Speaker 1: be the summer. I'm gonna get tan. And I would
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Speaker 1: get so red and I think, yeah, we got some
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Speaker 1: color today, and then the next morning I would wake
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Speaker 1: up and be as pale as ever.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if yeah, I was gonna say, I
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Speaker 2: don't know if I ever would consider where you were
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Speaker 2: tan like you got sun.
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Speaker 1: If I ever got tan, it was by accident because
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Speaker 1: I was just mowing the lawn exactly sunscreen sleeveless shirt.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're to your point, Brett. That long sleeve
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Speaker 2: shirt is kind of what I live by now, and
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Speaker 2: I sort of feel like I have to in case
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Speaker 2: I get burnt. But also I just don't like it.
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Speaker 2: And then I don't know. I'm a baby about it too.
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Speaker 2: I don't, I don't I don't want to have to
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Speaker 2: put something on it hurts and stuff like that. But
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Speaker 2: but yeah, I chuckled at my joke when I sent it,
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Speaker 2: but I really wanted to say white turtle.
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Speaker 3: Now you should have That would have worked.
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Speaker 2: But you were kind of tan around your throat.
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Speaker 3: With my face and my neck because that's all that
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Speaker 3: the sunshirt wasn't.
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Speaker 2: But I did not know that that was your fourth day,
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Speaker 2: and I thought that was, well, good for you. You
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Speaker 2: covered it. But yeah, no, I don't care about being
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Speaker 2: tan anymore. I honestly don't really care. Like when I
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Speaker 2: walk out there, I don't I'm at an age where
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Speaker 2: I just don't. I don't care. I don't care if
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Speaker 2: I don't look good. I don't care if people think
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Speaker 2: I'm white as a ghost. I don't care. I have
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Speaker 2: my own family make fun of me. But you know
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Speaker 2: what I'm not. I'm not sun burnt. I'm not hurting,
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Speaker 2: and I don't care. My son gets tanned, my wife
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Speaker 2: gets tanned. They barely put in on any sunscreen. My
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Speaker 2: sister in law does the same and they get burnt
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Speaker 2: and then they kind of move on, and I'm just like,
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Speaker 2: that ain't me, It ain't about me, And I think
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Speaker 2: some burn. It's a big deal in March. Yeah, talking
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Speaker 2: about this everything is so hot. I mean, you need
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Speaker 2: to start thinking about it in March.
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Speaker 1: Really, we are here to talk about American Movie. That's right,
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Speaker 1: fabled documentary, one of my favorite documentaries of all times.
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad we revisited it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was just a weird instant instance where
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Speaker 1: I was scrolling through Amazon Prime one day last summer
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Speaker 1: and I just happened to see American Movie available. You
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Speaker 1: didn't have to rener buy it. And it's it's kind
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Speaker 1: of and it's kind of a hard movie to come by.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like this is streaming everywhere. It's not readily.
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Speaker 1: And when I saw it, I was immediately just the
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Speaker 1: memories of seeing this for the first time just flooded
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Speaker 1: back to me, and I thought, Man, if we can
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Speaker 1: get this was in this one in This is one
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Speaker 1: that I would liked to talk about because I haven't
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Speaker 1: watched it since first seeing it back years ago. At
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Speaker 1: this point, I think it had been out for a
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Speaker 1: little bit when I saw it. It was released in
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine. I think the the festival run might
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Speaker 1: have even been ninety eight. I can't I didn't jot
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Speaker 1: it down, but I don't think I saw it until
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Speaker 1: high school, maybe senior year, like two thousand and three,
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Speaker 1: two thousand and fourish. But it did have a bit
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Speaker 1: of a cult following, still has.
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Speaker 2: A sun still. Yeah, I was just saying it was
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Speaker 2: a sundance hit.
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Speaker 1: Still has a cult following to this dance.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, do you guys remember how we heard about
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Speaker 1: this film to begin with? Because I feel like this
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Speaker 1: would have been under the radar for us as teenagers.
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Speaker 3: I think at college, well, this is my exposure, and
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Speaker 3: I'm guessing maybe for all of us. A friend of
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Speaker 3: mine in high school, who I think you guys don't
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Speaker 3: know that well, but showed this to me for the
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Speaker 3: first time, and and it was just like, you've got
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Speaker 3: to see these guys. You've got to see how ridiculous
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Speaker 3: they are, like almost kind of like this can't be real.
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Speaker 3: But you think you got to see this, And so
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Speaker 3: maybe I told you guys about it from there. I
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Speaker 3: know that's the way that I learned about it.
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Speaker 1: It could have been, it could have been.
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Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I don't I know I've seen it,
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Speaker 2: but I don't remember how, and I don't know if
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Speaker 2: I rented it like a Hollywood video or I don't
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Speaker 2: think I saw it in theaters, and if I did,
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Speaker 2: I feel like it's a Bellcourt thing, and I probably
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Speaker 2: didn't in nineteen ninety nine. I don't know. I don't
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Speaker 2: know that.
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Speaker 1: Could be it was, if I'm not mistaken. I think
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Speaker 1: Brett's story is kind of kind of stirring something in
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Speaker 1: me because I do feel like at that age, I
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Speaker 1: know this didn't get like a they weren't playing this
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Speaker 1: down at Aubrey Mills, yeah, or Friday night movies that
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Speaker 1: we used to go to. I think we had a
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Speaker 1: mutual friend that had the DVD and it was a
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Speaker 1: similar situation that was like, you have to watch this.
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Speaker 1: These guys are this is so incredibly funny.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, allowed to say, who told you that? You think
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Speaker 2: we may know?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a friend named Matt Wilson that went
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Speaker 3: to Mount Juliet.
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Speaker 2: I know who you're talking about, but.
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Speaker 1: Ours was Mark. Mark had the DVD.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw it probably for the first time, and
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Speaker 3: I was probably a junior or so in high school,
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Speaker 3: so probably like two thousand and three, a few years
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Speaker 3: after it came out.
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Speaker 1: I think it was I think it was somewhere in
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Speaker 1: that range that he had the.
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Speaker 2: DVD and was like, yeah, you just.
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Speaker 1: Like it was one of those I remember the conversation
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Speaker 1: being like, I can't explain it, you just have to see.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's probably true.
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Speaker 1: I will say back then, highly quotable movie. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think we we said kick fucking ass. I got
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Speaker 1: a MasterCard. I don't know how I've.
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Speaker 2: Met Yes, And I have said it to my wife
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Speaker 2: and she looks at me in very strange ways, and
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad I was able to show her or
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Speaker 2: it all, or it all originated?
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Speaker 3: Did you get her to watch the whole thing?
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Speaker 2: She was in the room with me when I watched it.
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Speaker 2: She first heard me cuss because Amazon Prime it wasn't free,
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Speaker 2: but she was in the room. I think she thought
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Speaker 2: it was. It almost comes across as it could be
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Speaker 2: a fake movie, because you can't believe. But I mean,
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Speaker 2: one you have.
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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people thought that.
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Speaker 1: A lot of the letterbox reviews are like I was
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Speaker 1: an hour into this before I realized this is not
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Speaker 1: a mockumation.
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Speaker 2: Here's the thing is, I could see that now, but
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Speaker 2: seeing it in nineteen ninety nine, I could see you.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I get that, I get that thought process,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, she was in it. However, she did come
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Speaker 2: in late because I'd already started watching it while I
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Speaker 2: was working. Maybe I had passed the kick fucking ass.
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Speaker 2: I got a MasterCard, so I watched like the rest
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Speaker 2: of it, and I started rewinding and she was like,
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Speaker 2: why are you Are you going to show him? Like, yes,
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Speaker 2: I want you to see every piece of mail he
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Speaker 2: opens until he gets to that point. I was like,
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Speaker 2: because it's all so perfectly executed for something that I like,
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Speaker 2: you can't recreate, Like, you can't recreate something. I mean,
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Speaker 2: who would think someon would be excited about that anyway?
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Speaker 2: But the guys, I mean, the people that they got
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Speaker 2: and God bless them. I'm chasing your dream and the
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Speaker 2: way his the way his parents and that one brother
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Speaker 2: who's so honest about where he thought he'd be a
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Speaker 2: serial killer. Like it is, it's it's a it's it's
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Speaker 2: pure comedy, but it's also like, really, me watching it
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Speaker 2: now is like, oh, like there is some serious stuff
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Speaker 2: going on that is not addressed. It's I don't know
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Speaker 2: if it's a family thing or a culture thing, but
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Speaker 2: clearly it's not. It's it's not being hashed out. And
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Speaker 2: there's a guy that feels like he's trapped, but obviously
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Speaker 2: everyone is like, yes, you know he and you know
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Speaker 2: there are times where the guy knows what he's talking about.
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Speaker 2: But the stuff that he's washing the lens, I mean,
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Speaker 2: there's stuffy. He just doesn't have the resources most people
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Speaker 2: would and that's basically what it is. But the difference
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Speaker 2: it makes and just the the cast of characters that
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Speaker 2: he has is involved.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy though, how is it's it's in
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Speaker 1: my notes as well, but like, what an interesting study
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Speaker 1: in psychology that he gots so many people to like
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Speaker 1: buy in on this, you believe in him.
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Speaker 2: And whenever that show was that he put on it,
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Speaker 2: which by the way, was only like a thirty minute
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Speaker 2: short that he ended up making. Yeah, that the line
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Speaker 2: is stuff like it. It is amazing and it's in
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Speaker 2: its own right, even though like the stuff they showed,
19:15
Speaker 2: which what I love is you can clearly see that
19:19
Speaker 2: this is over years because the man has a different haircut.
19:23
Speaker 4: He looks older, Like, clearly this is taking nothing's done.
19:29
Speaker 4: I mean, was it three or four years the guy
19:31
Speaker 4: were talking, which I love the whole.
19:34
Speaker 2: That guy who thinks he's a thespian it in acting.
19:37
Speaker 2: I forgot his name, Robert, Yes, but he reminds me
19:41
Speaker 2: of who is that wrestler manager guy who is the devil?
19:45
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, that's who he reminded me of.
19:50
Speaker 1: He does, he does?
19:52
Speaker 2: I saw him, and I'm like, I didn't.
19:53
Speaker 1: Remember his name. It was really really interesting to rewatch
19:57
Speaker 1: this through a different lens, being older, having experienced a
20:01
Speaker 1: little more life.
20:03
Speaker 3: I just want to insert here. Mark was thirty. Yeah, yeah,
20:07
Speaker 3: so we're almost ten years older than he was when.
20:11
Speaker 1: Yeah. But like being I don't know, man, being podcasters, ourselves,
20:16
Speaker 1: being writers, ourselves that like you can relate to his
20:22
Speaker 1: unflinching desire to make art, to make something of himself,
20:30
Speaker 1: to chase his dreams. And I think that was something
20:33
Speaker 1: I didn't really appreciate the time. At the time, it
20:36
Speaker 1: did kind of feel like this was comedy. We're pointing
20:39
Speaker 1: and laughing a little bit, and watching it in twenty
20:44
Speaker 1: twenty five, or excuse me, March of twenty six, I
20:48
Speaker 1: did find myself relating to it in a way that
20:51
Speaker 1: I didn't before, and almost admiring Mark for his like
20:57
Speaker 1: just unwavering commitment. At one point, they're talking about I
21:02
Speaker 1: can't remember who one of the like you said, the
21:05
Speaker 1: cast of characters, and they're just asking him, like, we've
21:09
Speaker 1: been working on this for like three years. We were
21:12
Speaker 1: supposed to be working on this movie, but instead we're
21:15
Speaker 1: working on this one. Nobody really knows what's going on,
21:17
Speaker 1: but like his power and his like willingness to just
21:22
Speaker 1: push through and to get something done like that. I
21:27
Speaker 1: don't know, Like watching it again just made me feel
21:31
Speaker 1: like and this is kind of what the creative spirit's
21:34
Speaker 1: all about in a way.
21:35
Speaker 3: I agree, Oh yeah, it was. It was touching to me.
21:39
Speaker 3: This yeah insane, Like say, the first time I saw it,
21:42
Speaker 3: it was you're not gonna believe these are Yeah, I
21:46
Speaker 3: mean it was. Honestly, it was exploitation kind of this
21:49
Speaker 3: like make fun of these people, which.
21:51
Speaker 1: One of the main criticisms of the film. There are
21:53
Speaker 1: a lot of people that say, oh, the filmmakers are
21:56
Speaker 1: exploiting the subjects. But someone on on Letterbox wrote it
22:01
Speaker 1: in their review is like, I don't want to live
22:04
Speaker 1: in a world where this Mark story is not told. Yes,
22:07
Speaker 1: And I agree completely because there is something that is
22:13
Speaker 1: so like quintessentially American dream about it is like he
22:19
Speaker 1: has this passion. It's like almost a compulsion. It's not
22:23
Speaker 1: even something that he wants to do. It's something that
22:26
Speaker 1: he has to do. He has to get this out
22:27
Speaker 1: of him. He has to to make this film and
22:30
Speaker 1: he has to make it big and all that, and
22:33
Speaker 1: there there's something that I don't know. To me is
22:37
Speaker 1: like again I come back to being empathetic towards him,
22:43
Speaker 1: Like this is not a case where these are just
22:46
Speaker 1: goofy guys that don't know what they're they're doing. They're
22:49
Speaker 1: goofy guys, but like there's there's clearly still a vision here.
22:53
Speaker 1: And to your point, Brandon, there are a lot of
22:57
Speaker 1: things in this film that are kind of glossed over
22:59
Speaker 1: that are just mentioned in passing that you kind of
23:02
Speaker 1: stop and think, like, maybe there are some real issues
23:06
Speaker 1: here that are preventing him from doing this more efficiently
23:10
Speaker 1: sort of deal. But I think at the end of
23:13
Speaker 1: the day, I still I watched this movie and I thought, man, like,
23:19
Speaker 1: these are these are people worth celebrating?
23:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I think it is part that where
23:25
Speaker 2: rewatching it at the age I'm at is you don't
23:33
Speaker 2: have to believe in him, But he believes in him,
23:36
Speaker 2: and no matter what your judgment of that is, and
23:40
Speaker 2: what he's able to do with what he has, and
23:43
Speaker 2: clearly it's not I mean, you know, from his parents
23:48
Speaker 2: to his brothers and everyone else, he's not supposed to
23:51
Speaker 2: even make a single thing, much less the stuff that
23:56
Speaker 2: he has made, and made the short film and didn't
23:59
Speaker 2: have a budget. But it's also it is kind of
24:03
Speaker 2: so American dream in the sense of where there's almost
24:08
Speaker 2: this perseverance of getting it done and look what I've done,
24:12
Speaker 2: even though if you watch COVID it's I mean, I'm
24:16
Speaker 2: sure it's not that well done, but he's trying, yeah,
24:23
Speaker 2: and he's doing everything he can to get this right.
24:26
Speaker 2: And the whole time, I'm thinking it's literally a thirty
24:30
Speaker 2: minute it is not a full feature. It is nothing
24:35
Speaker 2: of the sort.
24:36
Speaker 1: And there's even a scene in the film where he's
24:39
Speaker 1: sitting in a car at the airport working on the
24:41
Speaker 1: script and he says, there's some dialogue in this. I
24:46
Speaker 1: want to be able to hand the script to people
24:48
Speaker 1: and not be embarrassed of it. Yeah, And then when
24:50
Speaker 1: you stop and think, you listen to him explain why
24:53
Speaker 1: he goes to the airport. It seems like this really
24:55
Speaker 1: random thing on the surface, but he's essentially talking about
24:58
Speaker 1: eliminating distract so that he can focus on his work,
25:02
Speaker 1: which is a really smart idea.
25:04
Speaker 2: And it is smart. And I think the thing is,
25:07
Speaker 2: which is what was where the laughs intentional or not
25:11
Speaker 2: come in, is that it's still not that great. Yeah,
25:16
Speaker 2: well but it's not for the lack of trying. Yeah,
25:20
Speaker 2: but you can't help. But like, there's a scene that
25:23
Speaker 2: we were talking about where he says they're basically making
25:27
Speaker 2: a mockery of his script, so he goes in show
25:32
Speaker 2: them and he just screams his lungs out and it
25:36
Speaker 2: doesn't fit. What's so like, it is clearly not the
25:39
Speaker 2: right direct like creative choice, but the way he does it.
25:43
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. He believes in exactly what he's doing,
25:49
Speaker 2: and you can't you can't really knock the guy for
25:54
Speaker 2: something for for something where he believes this is like
25:58
Speaker 2: it's his vision, yeah, and he's not. He's it's it's
26:04
Speaker 2: it's not wavering from how he feels. This will be
26:07
Speaker 2: portrayed no matter what you but you may or may
26:11
Speaker 2: not seem.
26:13
Speaker 1: I think part of the I don't want to say misunderstanding,
26:18
Speaker 1: but I think people get caught up in the delivery
26:22
Speaker 1: of a lot of what he's saying. And it is funny,
26:25
Speaker 1: like he's a charismatic guy.
26:27
Speaker 2: Yes, but let's be honest and confident. The look of
26:32
Speaker 2: these guys like it.
26:34
Speaker 3: They're not the most But he knows some of it's
26:36
Speaker 3: funny too. He knows Bill is funny. He knows Mike and.
26:41
Speaker 2: He's laughing at mine.
26:42
Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:42
Speaker 2: I mean that's the thing which I'm gonna tell you,
26:44
Speaker 2: unsung hero is Bill. Bill doesn't give a shit, you
26:48
Speaker 2: know what he's doing. He doesn't even know why he's
26:51
Speaker 2: giving him money. Yeah, but the fact, like like towards
26:54
Speaker 2: the end where he like he gave him the fifty thousand, Like,
26:57
Speaker 2: there's just there's something about it where he is relying
27:01
Speaker 2: on these people and even if they don't understand it,
27:04
Speaker 2: there has to be some kind of faith.
27:07
Speaker 1: But doesn't it maybe he.
27:09
Speaker 2: Can get where he needs to go.
27:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't doesn't it still say something about Mark that
27:16
Speaker 1: so many people were willing to acknowledge, like, yeah, something's
27:21
Speaker 1: off here like this. Yeah, you know, we're probably not
27:24
Speaker 1: going to go to the oscars anytime soon. But so
27:27
Speaker 1: many people and believed in him, that they got behind
27:32
Speaker 1: him Like that to me was something a beautiful as story.
27:36
Speaker 2: And I don't know his name, but the guy who
27:37
Speaker 2: was in the movie who had his head shoved in
27:39
Speaker 2: that cabinet, yeah, I'm just like, yeah, like I feel
27:45
Speaker 2: like he has he has a family, Like what why.
27:48
Speaker 1: He's talking about like, I've got set hours, there's a
27:52
Speaker 1: it's a hard out I need to get out to
27:54
Speaker 1: so I spend time with my family. But this is
27:58
Speaker 1: Mark's dream, has passion, and so I give myself a
28:01
Speaker 1: little wiggle room.
28:02
Speaker 2: But that's a good scene to show you kind of
28:05
Speaker 2: where people, yeah, who are involved sort of seem like.
28:10
Speaker 1: The guy that does like the special effects on it too,
28:13
Speaker 1: is talking about like oh yeah, he's like yeah, you know,
28:16
Speaker 1: he's been working on this for like three years now,
28:18
Speaker 1: but you know he's not slowing down, and I figure
28:22
Speaker 1: I can give him ten saturdays to help him achieve
28:25
Speaker 1: his dream. He's talking about how like this movie is
28:28
Speaker 1: his life is all that he wants to do, and
28:33
Speaker 1: so he says, you know, I can give him ten
28:36
Speaker 1: saturdays so that he can achieve his dream. Kind of deal.
28:40
Speaker 1: But I think like the point I was trying to
28:43
Speaker 1: make like people get caught up in the funny, the
28:46
Speaker 1: silly aspects of this movie. And I think they they
28:49
Speaker 1: let some of the nuggets that Mark actually drops slip by,
28:53
Speaker 1: like he says some actually really wise stuff. When talking
28:57
Speaker 1: about wanting to get this film done, he says he
29:01
Speaker 1: doesn't want to drink and dream, but to create and complete.
29:05
Speaker 1: It's like acknowledgment, like, hey, I've I can't just piss
29:10
Speaker 1: this money away and drink all the time, Like I
29:12
Speaker 1: really want to do something and actually get it done.
29:17
Speaker 1: Some of his shots were not that bad.
29:18
Speaker 3: That's my hot take is that I think technically he
29:21
Speaker 3: can do it. He just doesn't have the resources. He
29:23
Speaker 3: doesn't have the actors.
29:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some and I love and I thought
29:27
Speaker 2: one of the shots it was nice and I think
29:28
Speaker 2: it is for COVID. But he has all the guys
29:30
Speaker 2: in the black mask. Yeah, and he's down on the
29:33
Speaker 2: ground looking up, but he tells him to look menacing,
29:37
Speaker 2: but you can't see anything black black hoods. So I'm
29:41
Speaker 2: not sure how that works. But I feel like it's
29:44
Speaker 2: almost like he's got it in his head but he
29:47
Speaker 2: can't get it on the screen. Like he's got it
29:51
Speaker 2: but he just can't because of all the other shit,
29:55
Speaker 2: and he's in.
29:55
Speaker 1: It's the money, right, it's.
29:57
Speaker 2: The and it's the people that even are giving him
29:59
Speaker 2: the money, right, and the people you're working with, Like
30:02
Speaker 2: he's not working with fashion, Yeah, he's not really working
30:07
Speaker 2: with professionals, right, And so I feel like they believe
30:13
Speaker 2: in him, but you're kinda you know, you kind of
30:17
Speaker 2: you're getting what you have and you're trying to make
30:20
Speaker 2: it work. And I think in his head he's very
30:23
Speaker 2: much more of a communicator and like has the vision.
30:28
Speaker 2: And I think if someone gave him real money, I
30:31
Speaker 2: don't think he wasted it. I don't think he'd pissed
30:33
Speaker 2: it away. But the fact is is that he doesn't.
30:35
Speaker 2: And so you know, and I also kind of found
30:39
Speaker 2: it him. Where was a little bit heartbreaking to me
30:44
Speaker 2: is we're like, you know, he's bringing his kids to
30:48
Speaker 2: whatever campus he's working on, and you know, the sleeping
30:52
Speaker 2: bags and stuff, and I don't know, I think there's
30:54
Speaker 2: parts where I kind of wish we knew more because
30:58
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm very curure. It's like you see a
31:00
Speaker 2: brief scene with him and his ex wife or girlfriend
31:04
Speaker 2: who's had the children with and which, by the way,
31:09
Speaker 2: I love Mark's girlfriend is a real treat, uh, the
31:14
Speaker 2: new one. I love her here and I but you
31:19
Speaker 2: see his ex and I kind of like, I don't know,
31:23
Speaker 2: you get glimpses of like stuff where it's like, I know,
31:27
Speaker 2: it's it's not great. Yeah, and the time he is
31:31
Speaker 2: spending with his kids may not maybe it's not the best,
31:36
Speaker 2: Like maybe maybe we shouldn't be doing that, and maybe
31:39
Speaker 2: we should be giving the.
31:40
Speaker 1: And it kind of goes to what you said earlier
31:42
Speaker 1: about some things they didn't really explore a lot of because.
31:46
Speaker 2: I feel like him being a father was very like like,
31:51
Speaker 2: is there a reason why he doesn't really see him?
31:53
Speaker 2: I mean, they're there, he doesn't seem like he's in
31:56
Speaker 2: the best situation. He's living with his parents, and obviously,
32:01
Speaker 2: and either way, there are things that kind of popped
32:05
Speaker 2: up that obviously I paid no attention to when I
32:07
Speaker 2: first saw it when I was a teenager, and and
32:10
Speaker 2: now I'm kind of like, you know it is. I
32:14
Speaker 2: think he has sacrificed a lot. And I also feel
32:17
Speaker 2: like his kids haven't really gotten a great childhood. And
32:20
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, I guess being a parent
32:24
Speaker 2: and I mean, Brett, you speak to this too, is
32:26
Speaker 2: that I do feel like the father and stuff isn't there.
32:35
Speaker 2: Like I feel like the there's a relationship that's very fractured,
32:40
Speaker 2: but we don't really talk about it.
32:44
Speaker 3: I think that's fair as far as what his priorities are,
32:47
Speaker 3: it's clear what his priorities are and the way he's
32:50
Speaker 3: ordered his life. But I will say, like it was,
32:54
Speaker 3: I still feel like he's a dad who loves his kids,
32:57
Speaker 3: who wants to be close to him. Who you know,
32:59
Speaker 3: there's these like touching moments along the way with them.
33:03
Speaker 2: Where's where they're filming it, interacting he's telling him to
33:06
Speaker 2: roll it, and he's like, oh, okay, good job son,
33:08
Speaker 2: you know. I mean there are there are those moments,
33:11
Speaker 2: but then there's also some where it's like I don't
33:14
Speaker 2: really think like they're getting a dad as much as well.
33:17
Speaker 1: It's for me. It was the scene where he was
33:20
Speaker 1: sitting on his front porch kind of describing the relationship,
33:24
Speaker 1: and it was kind of like, like, what's what's the
33:28
Speaker 1: I'd be curious to hear the other side of the story.
33:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I mean we're sitting on his
33:33
Speaker 2: steps and talking about visit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree,
33:36
Speaker 2: And it's not so much whether it's his fault or not,
33:39
Speaker 2: and depending on what his ex wife and everyone is.
33:42
Speaker 2: But but then as much as you want to be like, okay,
33:47
Speaker 2: well what like what is that about? But then like,
33:52
Speaker 2: and I think that's really the beauty of the documentary
33:54
Speaker 2: is this balance because within that same scene he talks
33:58
Speaker 2: about how she wants him back, but she's been living
34:02
Speaker 2: with a man who lives in the house, So why
34:04
Speaker 2: is that different why he can't be with his girlfriend?
34:07
Speaker 1: And you're just like, it doesn't make sense.
34:09
Speaker 2: What town?
34:09
Speaker 1: Does it make sense?
34:10
Speaker 2: Did you get here?
34:11
Speaker 1: Which you know is kind of consistent with people that
34:14
Speaker 1: oh yes, kind of talk things up a little bit.
34:19
Speaker 1: It's not right, it's not me, it's you know, it's
34:22
Speaker 1: and I.
34:22
Speaker 2: Think that's part of it too, And we kind of
34:24
Speaker 2: only get one side because again, we do not see
34:27
Speaker 2: the other side at all, and if we do, it's
34:29
Speaker 2: briefly where he's basically saying, you, you know, fucking broke
34:33
Speaker 2: up with me, and that's kind of and the kids
34:35
Speaker 2: are running around, that's all you really see. But I
34:38
Speaker 2: agree there, I think there's another part of that.
34:41
Speaker 1: But for him, we know this is a guy that
34:43
Speaker 1: is magnetizing to his social circle, persuasive. That's one of
34:50
Speaker 1: his buddies calls him assertive and aggressive, and he can
34:53
Speaker 1: convince you of things like there is an element to Mark.
34:57
Speaker 2: That is the way he sells the ship to build. Yeah,
35:01
Speaker 2: is a fine example of like are we talking about
35:04
Speaker 2: the same thing?
35:05
Speaker 1: You know?
35:06
Speaker 3: But I will say about Bill and and I feel
35:08
Speaker 3: like this is kind of to me. This is what
35:11
Speaker 3: really stood out this time, is like he's a deeply
35:14
Speaker 3: flawed person. But there's a scene Mark, wait a minute,
35:21
Speaker 3: we don't know, but there's a scene where he's which
35:23
Speaker 3: again there's some like really funny lines in there, but
35:26
Speaker 3: he's helping Bill take a bath, and there's this kind
35:29
Speaker 3: of reciprocated he's caring for these people. It's not he
35:34
Speaker 3: is not just money grubbing from Yes, he really cares
35:38
Speaker 3: about he.
35:39
Speaker 2: Wants Bill to get drunk and have a good time.
35:41
Speaker 2: That's very true.
35:43
Speaker 1: They're having dinner and they like sit Bill down in
35:46
Speaker 1: with just marking all his friends at the table and
35:48
Speaker 1: all that, asking me what he wants. He's taking care
35:51
Speaker 1: of him.
35:52
Speaker 2: I do think there is real love and affection for them.
35:55
Speaker 2: And it's not and I think everything I think is
35:59
Speaker 2: very innocent. I don't think I don't ever think that
36:05
Speaker 2: Mark is using anybody like I don't think that. And
36:10
Speaker 2: I think there are scenes like you were describing that
36:13
Speaker 2: show that he he is caring for these people and
36:19
Speaker 2: rather Bill gives him whatever and doesn't think he'll get
36:22
Speaker 2: it or whatever. I don't think in any moment what
36:28
Speaker 2: Mark is telling Bill that Mark doesn't believe himself. Yes,
36:32
Speaker 2: and that makes the world a difference.
36:35
Speaker 1: The authenticity to it absolutely, like you're not just falling
36:38
Speaker 1: for someone's bullshit.
36:40
Speaker 2: Right, There is a truthfulness to it all that he
36:42
Speaker 2: plans to do what he said he's going to do
36:45
Speaker 2: and complete this and you know, I mean there's that
36:48
Speaker 2: premiere where he's like, oh, you know, you're gonna get
36:50
Speaker 2: your money back, and I don't know if anyone believes him,
36:53
Speaker 2: but the fact but the way he says it, he
36:55
Speaker 2: believes it. And that's what it.
36:58
Speaker 1: Was cool that was that was a particularly touching scene
37:01
Speaker 1: because it was cool to see him get Bill out
37:04
Speaker 1: of the car and Bill looks he sees the line
37:07
Speaker 1: of waiting to see this film, and that there was
37:10
Speaker 1: like that moment. I think his dad was there too,
37:16
Speaker 1: it's like, man, like all of this work. You know,
37:20
Speaker 1: people probably look at that and think like, oh, yeah,
37:23
Speaker 1: it's some shitty theater in Wisconsin, but like that's a
37:26
Speaker 1: turnout and for this, this project that you've poured so
37:30
Speaker 1: much of yourself into, to see that kind of line.
37:34
Speaker 1: I was a little taken aback by it myself. Like
37:37
Speaker 1: seeing the the shot was like, whoa that is? That
37:41
Speaker 1: is something that's really cool. And you find yourself watching
37:45
Speaker 1: this movie and at least at least for me anyways,
37:50
Speaker 1: growing to root for these guys more and more the
37:53
Speaker 1: further we get into the film, and then to be
37:56
Speaker 1: rewarded with that moment was kind of like, I I
38:00
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not going to say it was like,
38:03
Speaker 1: you know, the big payoff or anything like that, but
38:05
Speaker 1: it was cool to kind of see that all of
38:08
Speaker 1: this was not just for nothing.
38:10
Speaker 2: Yep. And I feel like Mike, he adds so much
38:16
Speaker 2: we have to talk about, yeah, I and I was
38:20
Speaker 2: it was kind of sad to see that he I
38:22
Speaker 2: think it was in twenty twenty two, but he had
38:25
Speaker 2: he had died of cancer. Yeah, but his laugh, Oh,
38:32
Speaker 2: it's so funny. No matter when Mark whatever, Mark is
38:35
Speaker 2: telling him and when he goes on where he's like,
38:38
Speaker 2: I got plenty of like this whole thing about where
38:40
Speaker 2: he almost died and taking all these drugs and stuff
38:43
Speaker 2: and it wasn'tways. I got stories like that to keep
38:46
Speaker 2: you awake all night if you want, Like he I
38:49
Speaker 2: don't know a more just pure genuine dude. And the
38:55
Speaker 2: way they's doing it, like when he gets him to
38:57
Speaker 2: hit that car, it's so I like, he's just.
39:02
Speaker 3: And their their friendship is really moving too. I mean,
39:06
Speaker 3: when you get some of the silliness, but you know,
39:09
Speaker 3: there's uh, there's the scene where he says he's Mike says,
39:15
Speaker 3: basically he likes working on movies, so I'm here working
39:19
Speaker 3: on movies with him. And there's a different scene that
39:22
Speaker 3: I was just thinking about where I feel like Mark
39:25
Speaker 3: is really in a low place and he's like, Mike
39:29
Speaker 3: comes over and he's telling one of these crazy stories
39:31
Speaker 3: and Mark says he came over here and kind of
39:36
Speaker 3: lifted me up when I needed him, and and that
39:38
Speaker 3: I mean that seems to kind of again, there's a
39:42
Speaker 3: lot of brokenness throughout the relationships and stuff and the
39:45
Speaker 3: people themselves, but it seems like there's a lot of
39:48
Speaker 3: that aspect as well. Among them, I think.
39:50
Speaker 2: There's a lot of relying on each other and because
39:53
Speaker 2: of where they are and where they grew up and
39:55
Speaker 2: how they grew up. That again, I think you're kind
40:00
Speaker 2: kind of there's glimpses of it and through his parents
40:04
Speaker 2: and everything else, but they kind of represent a certain
40:08
Speaker 2: kind of connection that I again, I think I lose
40:14
Speaker 2: kind of back to how they grew up and kind
40:17
Speaker 2: of what they depended on and you know, relied upon.
40:19
Speaker 2: And but I just love like his laugh and like
40:22
Speaker 2: sometimes like he would ask him something and he's like,
40:24
Speaker 2: no it is He's like, no, I don't.
40:25
Speaker 1: Know, Like does that feel? Does that feel cathartic?
40:29
Speaker 2: Mike?
40:29
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he's do you know what cathartic means?
40:33
Speaker 2: And he goes, no, no, It's like but the way
40:37
Speaker 2: he answer is it's very cathartic. Mark like he like
40:40
Speaker 2: it's almost like he knew he was on camera. Yeah,
40:42
Speaker 2: so he didn't quite know how he was going to
40:44
Speaker 2: say it, but that's how it was.
40:46
Speaker 1: And that was something I jotted down a tweet that
40:51
Speaker 1: Mark Duplos of The Morning Show Fame tweeted up, Oh yeah,
40:55
Speaker 1: hearing the news that Mike had passed a couple of
40:57
Speaker 1: years ago. Rest in peace, Mike Shank watch him an
41:01
Speaker 1: American movie and learn how to be a good friend.
41:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
41:06
Speaker 1: Pretty pretty relevant here. I also like when we first
41:09
Speaker 1: were first getting to know Mike and they ask him
41:12
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, we used to do a lot
41:14
Speaker 1: of partying together, but I don't really party anymore, and
41:18
Speaker 1: then he belts out his signature nervous laugh. Yeah, and
41:22
Speaker 1: that's that's about it.
41:25
Speaker 3: Also, Mike had the best scream when they were doing
41:29
Speaker 3: which was just.
41:30
Speaker 2: Oh my, the way his face turns.
41:34
Speaker 3: And the joy over well.
41:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when it's over his smile that is It's
41:41
Speaker 2: totally nuts. But I love it. There are so many
41:44
Speaker 2: parts where like once it happened, I remembered the guy
41:48
Speaker 2: having his head put through.
41:51
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's get into that. Like the memorable quotes
41:54
Speaker 1: and scenes and stuff like that, because for me, like
41:57
Speaker 1: just this this movie like that, those those quotes, those
42:02
Speaker 1: moments just poured over the top.
42:05
Speaker 2: I mean, the the master card is the one. I
42:08
Speaker 2: mean a quote to this day.
42:09
Speaker 1: Kick fucking ass. I got a master card.
42:11
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, that's funny. I just had to
42:13
Speaker 2: borrow money from my mom for gas today, like the
42:16
Speaker 2: way that it goes in line to like pure joy
42:22
Speaker 2: that he's got that he has got it.
42:24
Speaker 1: And then an hour later he says, yeah, it's him
42:27
Speaker 1: saying I owe five hundred dollars to master Card.
42:30
Speaker 2: But like when they take Bill to the bank and
42:34
Speaker 2: like it takes like him, his dad and Bill, he's like,
42:37
Speaker 2: it's like no, like you have to sign it and
42:39
Speaker 2: get out, like you know, if you want it drawn out,
42:42
Speaker 2: you have to put it. And really, Bill is a
42:45
Speaker 2: Debbie Donor. Let's be honest. He doesn't have anything out,
42:48
Speaker 2: you know, he's not. He's like, that's what you keep saying.
42:51
Speaker 2: But you know, but then when he is and I
42:56
Speaker 2: think this is in your letterbox with you. But the
42:59
Speaker 2: but because Jesus told when he tries to do that
43:02
Speaker 2: line over and over and then he actually got it
43:05
Speaker 2: on like the third tape. But somebody was it, Mike,
43:10
Speaker 2: I wasn't doing something.
43:12
Speaker 3: Mark says, couldn't ask, couldn't ask for anything better. I
43:14
Speaker 3: think it was recorded too loud.
43:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it was. And so by the time
43:20
Speaker 2: they're like take thirty one and that man can't I mean,
43:24
Speaker 2: he can't do anything else, and I like, I was like,
43:27
Speaker 2: I'm done.
43:28
Speaker 1: He finally just says like I'm done, Hans THEO.
43:33
Speaker 2: But I couldn't help but laugh because he kept saying
43:35
Speaker 2: those same two things and then he goes h like
43:39
Speaker 2: like he could not get past it. And then when
43:41
Speaker 2: he nailed it, Mark's like, okay that I couldn't ask
43:44
Speaker 2: for anything better. I think we recorded it to like
43:49
Speaker 2: but Bill wasn't really having it. But then it's like, yeah,
43:52
Speaker 2: I mean, I like, I kind of forgot how it ended,
43:56
Speaker 2: and I do. And I did enjoy that they ended
44:00
Speaker 2: with Bill talking to because I felt like that relationship
44:06
Speaker 2: was a pivotal one in the documentary for not just
44:10
Speaker 2: the money, but just like you said, relationship, And I
44:14
Speaker 2: think you kind of got that those intimate scenes of
44:17
Speaker 2: Mark is like, he's very much a part of Bill's life.
44:21
Speaker 2: And is it his mom's father or his dad's dad.
44:26
Speaker 2: I just noticed that they never saw them together, but
44:28
Speaker 2: Mark was always with Bill.
44:31
Speaker 1: Well, they talk about parents not having a great relationship, Okay, yeah,
44:37
Speaker 1: the mom and dad. I don't think we're ever together.
44:41
Speaker 2: Okay, And so I I really liked that they ended
44:47
Speaker 2: with him saying what he says, And I thought that
44:50
Speaker 2: was the well touch because I didn't remember that.
44:52
Speaker 3: It's one of those things that they you know, all
44:55
Speaker 3: through the movie, what Bill was saying is, you're not
44:58
Speaker 3: going to do this this stuff, You're whatever. You keep
45:02
Speaker 3: telling me this.
45:02
Speaker 2: Well, and he gives them stuff. It's in like a
45:04
Speaker 2: pile of shit that no one can find, and he
45:06
Speaker 2: does obviously he doesn't care.
45:08
Speaker 3: But at the end of his life he leaves him
45:11
Speaker 3: the money exactly. And and I think we all know
45:14
Speaker 3: those people who like give you a hard time, and
45:17
Speaker 3: but he does believe in him.
45:18
Speaker 2: He's supporting him in his own way. And even just
45:22
Speaker 2: to sit there and do thirty takes in that car
45:24
Speaker 2: to say that thing is his dedication.
45:27
Speaker 1: It struck me as like that person in Mark's life
45:33
Speaker 1: that's like, I'm just not going to kiss your ass,
45:37
Speaker 1: and like you need somebody to kind of clamp down
45:40
Speaker 1: on you a little bit and hard on and it
45:43
Speaker 1: kind of focus a little bit.
45:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know his parents are kind of like, well,
45:47
Speaker 2: you know, he always liked it, and well, I hope
45:49
Speaker 2: it works out. I don't think it'll work.
45:50
Speaker 1: You know.
45:51
Speaker 2: It's almost like they're honest with the camera. But I'm
45:52
Speaker 2: not sure if if Mark is being told that, and
45:55
Speaker 2: I don't think Mark would listen anyway. I think that's
45:57
Speaker 2: just not who he is. But but in like the
46:00
Speaker 2: flip side of it, is like one of his brothers,
46:02
Speaker 2: like I mean, I thought, like you would be a
46:04
Speaker 2: serial kill, Like they're legit thinking this man is going
46:08
Speaker 2: to go on a killing spree.
46:10
Speaker 3: Honestly, those of the moments that are most that were
46:14
Speaker 3: most unbelievable to me. It's like, are you really are
46:19
Speaker 3: you just playing this up for you know this this movie,
46:23
Speaker 3: or is that really what you? I mean it It
46:26
Speaker 3: did seem clear, whether it was a bit or not,
46:29
Speaker 3: that there was some distance with him and his brothers.
46:31
Speaker 1: For sure, maybe all.
46:32
Speaker 2: Of them I was gonna say, yeah, I don't really.
46:35
Speaker 1: Even the ones that that weren't harsh to him was
46:40
Speaker 1: still like yeah.
46:40
Speaker 2: And again, those are the aspects where it's like something's
46:45
Speaker 2: not you know, something's not right, like family dynamic wise,
46:50
Speaker 2: and and and maybe that's a whole I mean, maybe
46:52
Speaker 2: that's a whole other ow are you okay my teeth?
46:58
Speaker 2: That's a whole nother story, a whole other dynamic to explore.
47:01
Speaker 2: But but yeah, I mean you could clearly kind of
47:05
Speaker 2: see where they kind of let him do what he wanted,
47:09
Speaker 2: but no one really had much faith. And I feel
47:11
Speaker 2: like Bill was the only one who, like, you're right,
47:14
Speaker 2: like kind of gave him ship, but did give him
47:16
Speaker 2: the opportunity, yeah, create something with what he had, which
47:22
Speaker 2: there's one scene where Bill's just like, well, they tell
47:24
Speaker 2: me I have like two hundred and something thousand dollars
47:27
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, OK, like but I don't know
47:30
Speaker 2: what that was, and you kind of get a you
47:33
Speaker 2: kind of get a I think it's his dad that
47:35
Speaker 2: says like, you know, he was a scholar and a professor,
47:37
Speaker 2: like you know, he was this guy. So I don't know.
47:40
Speaker 2: Parts of it just feels like you can hold someone
47:45
Speaker 2: up for something, and then you kind of see him
47:48
Speaker 2: as as this old frail man. And then you have
47:52
Speaker 2: Mark's fears of you know, am I gonna do an
47:54
Speaker 2: office job or am I gonna work at the cemetery forever?
47:57
Speaker 2: Like I don't. I think there's connections you.
47:59
Speaker 1: Can around the kitchen like his mother.
48:02
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, I love where he was. I want
48:05
Speaker 2: to like a kitchen. Yeah, I know, mom. But like
48:07
Speaker 2: when he is screaming about on the Super Bowl, I
48:13
Speaker 2: think it's when Brett farther than won right, and he's
48:17
Speaker 2: like screamings like I mean if you mforts and all
48:21
Speaker 2: this stuff, and s alreaty concerned about his drinking, and
48:24
Speaker 2: of course I love her. Mike's just kind of like
48:26
Speaker 2: sitting there where just watching watch a TV. But then
48:29
Speaker 2: I love her. All that happens, storms out and everything,
48:31
Speaker 2: and like, oh it'll be fun. And his mom just
48:33
Speaker 2: goes the packer.
48:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we hit on this earlier. But the thing
48:43
Speaker 3: that stood out to me, I mean I haven't seen
48:45
Speaker 3: this probably since we were high school early college. Yeah,
48:49
Speaker 3: you mean both, and you know we said this, but
48:53
Speaker 3: when you're that age, it's kind of like, look at
48:56
Speaker 3: this loser who can't make a movie. Yeah, as an
48:59
Speaker 3: all almost forty year old, my perspective was, this dude's
49:04
Speaker 3: going for it. Like a time in a time when
49:09
Speaker 3: I know so many people and I know so many
49:11
Speaker 3: ways that I personally have kind of just packed it
49:15
Speaker 3: in and said it's not worth giving the effort for
49:18
Speaker 3: whatever X is. It really is inspiring to see somebody
49:23
Speaker 3: just really pushing I think that.
49:25
Speaker 2: I think that's the main thing is that in its
49:28
Speaker 2: own weird, twisted way, it's inspirational because of what he
49:36
Speaker 2: is trying to do when everything and everybody says, nah,
49:42
Speaker 2: there's no way. And I think that's the one thing,
49:47
Speaker 2: like you were saying, that sticks out because there are
49:50
Speaker 2: so many things that really are against him and not
49:54
Speaker 2: just where he's from, but who he is, and like
49:56
Speaker 2: you said, the resources and stuff, but there's that love
49:59
Speaker 2: of and he tells you like kind of you know,
50:02
Speaker 2: Romero and stuff like that that he likes and text
50:05
Speaker 2: change on him and it's like, oh, you know what
50:09
Speaker 2: everybody had, Like he's no different than everyone else who
50:12
Speaker 2: has this stream. The question is how far are you
50:16
Speaker 2: willing to go? And no matter how many people may
50:19
Speaker 2: think it's impossible, but then he finds and granted it's
50:23
Speaker 2: an electric, eclectic group of people, but they they believe
50:28
Speaker 2: in him in some form or fashion that clearly has
50:31
Speaker 2: him going to try and make it. And even though
50:36
Speaker 2: the documentary is about doing Northwestern ends up being a
50:39
Speaker 2: short film because of budget stuff. But you know, I
50:42
Speaker 2: mean and I I mean, I I think I found
50:46
Speaker 2: a new appreciation in respect for what the movie is
50:50
Speaker 2: is is trying to reveal, but also just like the
50:56
Speaker 2: guy you're following, like he's not this big joke. You
51:01
Speaker 2: could take from it depending on where you are in life,
51:05
Speaker 2: and I think that's important.
51:07
Speaker 1: Yep, did you guys catch that Mike actually did the
51:10
Speaker 1: music for this.
51:11
Speaker 2: That was one of the first things that popped up.
51:12
Speaker 2: I saw that.
51:13
Speaker 1: That was pretty cool. Yeah. Also talking about memorable quotes
51:17
Speaker 1: and scenes, there was Mark with the whiteboard.
51:22
Speaker 3: Oh, sorry for erasing.
51:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I saw this fuck that goes sorry,
51:29
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for racing, and then it goes right back
51:31
Speaker 1: to this ranting about whatever. That was a good one.
51:35
Speaker 3: His story in the cemetery about having to clean.
51:38
Speaker 1: Up I've got that down too. Yeah, it was a
51:42
Speaker 1: really profound moment because I was thinking, I'm thirty years
51:45
Speaker 1: old and in ten to fifteen seconds, I'm going to
51:48
Speaker 1: start cleaning up somebody's shit.
51:51
Speaker 2: You know what I liked, which I mean it's funny,
51:54
Speaker 2: but it's also like, oh, you know what you kind
51:56
Speaker 2: of see like his dedication is in one of the
52:01
Speaker 2: first production meetings. I think it's actually for Northwestern what
52:04
Speaker 2: he set out to do. It's like, okay, open up
52:08
Speaker 2: beautiful black and white. And when I do this with
52:11
Speaker 2: his hands about the camber, He's like, that means I've
52:13
Speaker 2: already seen it. I got a vision for and and
52:15
Speaker 2: and other people's reactions. They have no clue what he's
52:22
Speaker 2: talking about, so you already could deal. Like he's serious,
52:25
Speaker 2: like he has it here in his head, but everyone
52:29
Speaker 2: else done. And he's like like everyone's looking at huh
52:32
Speaker 2: and like like you clearly he's already working. Like they
52:37
Speaker 2: don't get it.
52:38
Speaker 1: I I really liked the scene to where they're talking
52:41
Speaker 1: to Bill and Bill's like, I haven't even had my
52:44
Speaker 1: dinner yet, and so yeah, Mark's like, Mike, get him,
52:48
Speaker 1: get him something to eat, and he pulls out a sausage. Oh,
52:51
Speaker 1: a sausage from a bag. And then Bill, oh, that's
52:59
Speaker 1: the good stuff.
53:00
Speaker 2: That's what Mike's mom brought them for lunch. He said, oh,
53:04
Speaker 2: they she brought. She got us some sausages. But when
53:07
Speaker 2: Bill talks about and then he hands them a sergey.
53:11
Speaker 1: Bill takes the sausage and then he goes, well, but
53:13
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to drink with it, and Mark goes, Mike,
53:17
Speaker 1: get him a soda, get the Surge, and then Mike
53:22
Speaker 1: proceeds to tell him like that Surge, it's a new
53:25
Speaker 1: soda from Coca colast they gave that man, right, they
53:30
Speaker 1: just handed ca Yeah, the pure sugar and pure.
53:36
Speaker 2: Sugar, I don't think.
53:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great relic of nineteen ninety nine.
53:41
Speaker 2: It is. And even like was it Thanksgiving or something
53:45
Speaker 2: where basically Bill was drinking and he was giving him
53:48
Speaker 2: They love that. What is it?
53:49
Speaker 1: Pepper?
53:50
Speaker 2: They love it? Which was he took a sip.
53:52
Speaker 1: It was like, if I'm not mistaken, don Vito's drink
53:56
Speaker 1: of choice is one thing peach peach snops for dunbee do.
54:00
Speaker 1: I can't recall. I can't remember. It might have been
54:03
Speaker 1: the girl friend, No, maybe not. Somebody said that Mark
54:07
Speaker 1: was indomitable, and I thought that was a really great
54:09
Speaker 1: adjective to describe him, like come hell or high water,
54:13
Speaker 1: like I'm doing this, I'm I'm getting this done. Do
54:18
Speaker 1: we want to talk a little more depth about the
54:20
Speaker 1: cabinet scene. We keep mentioning it over and over. I
54:23
Speaker 1: just I just they score the wood thinking that it's
54:27
Speaker 1: just gonna break.
54:29
Speaker 2: And it gets where Mark is punching it.
54:32
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, bloody, bloody, bloody knuckles and he's like, oh yeah,
54:37
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry. Tried to put your head
54:40
Speaker 1: through that, no wonder.
54:42
Speaker 2: And that guy I I honestly, it would not It
54:46
Speaker 2: would not be as memorable if it wasn't for the
54:48
Speaker 2: guy it's being done to.
54:51
Speaker 3: Looks so put together.
54:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like he's talking throughout the whole documentary. Yeah,
54:57
Speaker 2: and like trying to fight with him because he's also
55:02
Speaker 2: this satanic leader guy, I guess, and they're fighting, but
55:07
Speaker 2: the way his head just bounces. And what I appreciate
55:11
Speaker 2: is Mark does it like three times until he says
55:14
Speaker 2: cut and what I and what? And another part is
55:18
Speaker 2: I like cause it's it's it's edited. Within the same
55:21
Speaker 2: scene is when Mark gets his mother to film and
55:25
Speaker 2: he's doing a heavy breathing thing. She's like, okay, all right,
55:28
Speaker 2: now you're was I not in the middle before? Well
55:31
Speaker 2: I used to, and like you could tell him. It's like,
55:34
Speaker 2: oh okay, he says.
55:36
Speaker 3: Ma, where am I at as all this film is burning?
55:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like she doesn't know, and he gives up. But yeah,
55:44
Speaker 2: I love.
55:46
Speaker 3: To the credit of that scene. I think they used
55:49
Speaker 3: the first version in the film and a couple of
55:52
Speaker 3: those shots.
55:54
Speaker 2: All right, But yeah, I don't know that guy's name,
55:56
Speaker 2: but but he just seems like he no business being
56:01
Speaker 2: a part of it. I respect that he was but
56:04
Speaker 2: the fact that they were trying to ram his head
56:06
Speaker 2: in there over and over, and there's a part where
56:09
Speaker 2: he's laying on the kitchen. I think it's after the
56:11
Speaker 2: first or second attempt, and like his face is red,
56:16
Speaker 2: Like clearly this is not he has I mean that.
56:22
Speaker 1: Well ninety seven when they were filming.
56:24
Speaker 2: This, yeah, I just I mean, how can you not
56:28
Speaker 2: watch that and think this? I mean it was a
56:31
Speaker 2: sad side for all involved.
56:35
Speaker 1: Oh man, I was just about to bring something up
56:37
Speaker 1: of the pronunciation of covin when they have that conversation.
56:41
Speaker 2: Yeah.
56:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like says something about how you pronounce it,
56:45
Speaker 1: and Mark's like, well, how else would you pronounce it?
56:48
Speaker 1: He's like, well the traditional ye. No, Mark's like, no,
56:53
Speaker 1: we're it's covin COVID.
56:57
Speaker 2: But Ageain he's so bod I mean he believes and
57:00
Speaker 2: the ship he's doing, it's like do you really argue
57:03
Speaker 2: with the man? I mean, do you're just you know?
57:05
Speaker 2: But I love the the poster that they made and
57:10
Speaker 2: they that.
57:12
Speaker 1: Like he gets he gets Mike to hand out the flyers,
57:15
Speaker 1: but like Mike starts walking without the fly, without the fly.
57:22
Speaker 2: Where you go? I was going to pass the flyers,
57:24
Speaker 2: but you don't have the flyers' you are so out
57:29
Speaker 2: of it.
57:30
Speaker 1: It's so good.
57:31
Speaker 2: He's like you, He's like, I trust you to put
57:33
Speaker 2: them in like important places because we only have this
57:36
Speaker 2: many left. And it's him and who's the who's the
57:38
Speaker 2: other guy? Producer is something that.
57:41
Speaker 3: Has a really unique smile. Yeah, he just always looks
57:45
Speaker 3: happy to be there.
57:46
Speaker 2: He's like they're both walking and you're like and I
57:49
Speaker 2: think that's part of the fine and part of the
57:52
Speaker 2: comedy is like you really wouldn't trust these guys with
57:56
Speaker 2: like your business or your art or your film. But
58:00
Speaker 2: that's I mean, that's that's all they have, and that's
58:05
Speaker 2: that's the that's the that's the bulk of it that
58:10
Speaker 2: I think you kind of strip it down and like
58:12
Speaker 2: that's all each other have, and you know, and it
58:15
Speaker 2: it's it's quite significant when you kind of see what
58:20
Speaker 2: they're having to do and you know the lays and
58:23
Speaker 2: the money and everything else, and like you know a
58:25
Speaker 2: lot of the I mean, they pick up one of
58:27
Speaker 2: the guys from jail and they go to the edit lab,
58:33
Speaker 2: so I mean, it's it's just it's it's utterly fascinating
58:38
Speaker 2: to watch at this age and you and it's weird
58:43
Speaker 2: because you're right, you feel inspired, you also feel sad.
58:48
Speaker 2: It's like it's heartfelt, it's heartbreaking, and I mean it's
58:55
Speaker 2: an hour and a half maybe, yeah, so it's just
58:58
Speaker 2: these pieces but and and it really just because I mean,
59:01
Speaker 2: there was a point where it's like it was summer,
59:03
Speaker 2: then it was fall, that it was winter, and like,
59:05
Speaker 2: you know, you can kind of tell that there were
59:09
Speaker 2: I think sometimes where there wasn't really anything happening. And
59:13
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of like where they show the
59:14
Speaker 2: Super Bowl where he is kind of falling apart, because
59:17
Speaker 2: I think there is kind of this realization of like, shit,
59:20
Speaker 2: you know what, because you know, they show him doing
59:22
Speaker 2: these shorts and stuff when they was young and thought
59:24
Speaker 2: you know, and now, I mean, you know, which sounds
59:26
Speaker 2: crazy to mean to think, but you know, now he's
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Speaker 2: thirty and he hasn't done anything, and you know, what's
59:32
Speaker 2: you know, what does he have to offer? Now?
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Speaker 3: We keep touching on it, but there's a line in
59:39
Speaker 3: a film that's very much in conversation this movie maybe
59:42
Speaker 3: inspired by La La Land, Yeah, sure, where it makes
59:47
Speaker 3: sense where Emma Stone's character says to Ryan Gosling about
59:51
Speaker 3: jazz music, Like people are interested in things that people
59:54
Speaker 3: are passionate about. And I mean that's it in this movie,
59:58
Speaker 3: Like that's why that line's there, that that's why these
1:00:00
Speaker 3: people do this, is they they want I mean again,
1:00:07
Speaker 3: we were twenty eighteen whatever the first time we saw this,
1:00:10
Speaker 3: and so you're like, oh, look at this old thirty
1:00:12
Speaker 3: year old. But but as a thirty year old, you say,
1:00:17
Speaker 3: I don't have the passion this dude has. But I
1:00:19
Speaker 3: see that he has it. And so I'm gonna, like
1:00:22
Speaker 3: a lot of them say throughout the movie, guy, I'm
1:00:24
Speaker 3: just gonna be here with him kind of along the road.
1:00:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they're following him into the great unknown, because
1:00:31
Speaker 2: I mean there is I mean, there's nothing guaranteed, and
1:00:37
Speaker 2: with everything that's going on with where he's from, and
1:00:40
Speaker 2: you know the resources he has, if we've mentioned several times,
1:00:46
Speaker 2: I mean, that's all you really have is you got
1:00:48
Speaker 2: you know, you're you're gonna you're gonna follow this guy
1:00:50
Speaker 2: into into battle now rather you want to follow him
1:00:54
Speaker 2: into battle as a different story. But for for quite
1:00:58
Speaker 2: a few that's what they decided to do. I could
1:01:03
Speaker 2: not help but laugh. And I don't think it was
1:01:06
Speaker 2: I don't think it was intentional, but that like actor
1:01:12
Speaker 2: actor guy. Yeah, I could not help but think he's
1:01:19
Speaker 2: the only one who just seems like an ass and
1:01:23
Speaker 2: the way that he is thinking this is gonna go,
1:01:28
Speaker 2: or also the material that he's in, like I don't
1:01:33
Speaker 2: know he like when he has that thing about his
1:01:36
Speaker 2: costume and Mark's having to talk to me comes back,
1:01:39
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'm like, is that, like, does this
1:01:42
Speaker 2: guy really think this is necessary? Like that kind of
1:01:46
Speaker 2: seemed like someone like that, Like everyone else kind of
1:01:50
Speaker 2: this is how I saw it. Everyone else kind of
1:01:52
Speaker 2: realizes what they're in and Mark has the vision, which
1:01:56
Speaker 2: being the filmmaker and right, like I get it. I
1:01:59
Speaker 2: don't know if Rob really needs to have this kind
1:02:01
Speaker 2: of arrogance about anything. And then he reminded me of
1:02:06
Speaker 2: that wrestling manager and I can't, I can't get my
1:02:10
Speaker 2: mind off.
1:02:10
Speaker 1: That seems like a great spot to end this show on. Yeah,
1:02:15
Speaker 1: I've gotten through all of my notes for those wondering
1:02:19
Speaker 1: Mark has to this day, He's fifty eight years old,
1:02:24
Speaker 1: thirty acting credits to his name.
1:02:26
Speaker 2: Well, him and Mike did a few things together before
1:02:29
Speaker 2: he passed, and Mark is still and Marks and he's
1:02:32
Speaker 2: directing something, isn't he he? It's not Northwestern In case
1:02:36
Speaker 2: anyone knows, I looked this up.
1:02:38
Speaker 1: He never North Swestern is still listed as in production.
1:02:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so there you go.
1:02:44
Speaker 1: No, he did a documentary about a UFO festival in
1:02:47
Speaker 1: Wisconsin that made it to Fantastic Fest.
1:02:51
Speaker 2: Okay, oh good?
1:02:52
Speaker 1: So does and COVID to this day are the only
1:02:56
Speaker 1: films that he has actually finished. But talking about a
1:03:00
Speaker 1: guy that, I mean, he's got some purposes, made it,
1:03:06
Speaker 1: by his standards, a career in film.
1:03:10
Speaker 3: Doesn't he have an acting credit in the one with
1:03:12
Speaker 3: Jet Lee?
1:03:13
Speaker 1: Does he?
1:03:14
Speaker 3: I think I saw that, which I was like, is
1:03:17
Speaker 3: this an error in the listing?
1:03:20
Speaker 1: Yeah? He does, he does have any.
1:03:21
Speaker 3: I mean, I've never seen the one. I kind of
1:03:24
Speaker 3: want to watch the one just for him.
1:03:26
Speaker 2: I have seen it, but I didn't have no idea
1:03:29
Speaker 2: he was in it.
1:03:29
Speaker 3: I mean, it's got to be a very minor role.
1:03:31
Speaker 3: But I still like, how did he get that?
1:03:34
Speaker 1: Good for him?
1:03:35
Speaker 2: I'm going to say American movie, Yeah, good for him.
1:03:37
Speaker 1: He's also in Cabin Fever two.
1:03:42
Speaker 2: He I think he fits, he fits in that. But yeah,
1:03:47
Speaker 2: I was looking up. I was looking up some stuff.
1:03:50
Speaker 2: While I was actually watching it at times because I'm like,
1:03:55
Speaker 2: what what did he do? And did he ever finish this?
1:03:57
Speaker 2: And I mean he kind of pops up. I mean,
1:04:00
Speaker 2: I don't quality, I have had no idea, but but
1:04:04
Speaker 2: he finished. His name is in quite a few things,
1:04:07
Speaker 2: so I mean, and I would imagine watching this documentary.
1:04:12
Speaker 2: I bet you he's he's living the dream.
1:04:18
Speaker 1: Yeah. Good for Mark, Good for Mark, Good for Mark.
1:04:22
Speaker 1: I loved the American movie. I bought the Blu ray.
1:04:26
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's still for sale, but when
1:04:29
Speaker 1: I bought it, it was fifteen bucks on Amazon.
1:04:31
Speaker 2: That's right.
1:04:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, So which how many people did he say he
1:04:33
Speaker 3: needed to spend fifteen dollars to fund?
1:04:36
Speaker 2: Oh there's over three thousand, Yeah, thirty four hundred maybe.
1:04:41
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm part of that. Yeah, part of that.
1:04:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, just production.
1:04:44
Speaker 2: I need about thirty four hundred more people like Mike.
1:04:48
Speaker 2: And I thought, buddy, you ain't ever gonna find someone
1:04:50
Speaker 2: like Mike.
1:04:51
Speaker 1: Nope, Nope, sure won't. That's going to do it for us.
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Speaker 1: In our March twenty twenty six episode of the movie
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Speaker 1: Review Rewind podcast for Brandon and Brett, I'm stony and
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