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TCWT INVESTIGATES - Finding Chase Lackey _ The Interviews · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Y y y y Hello everybody. Hello, how are you today? Sir?
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  That was a very tentative hello. I am doing well. It's been
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  a few days since I've been alive and I feel completely out of practice.
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  I also feel like my camera has rebelled against me because I currently have my
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  ring light off because apparently it's too bright. But things have shifted and changed
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  and that might be throwing things off, so I just have to figure it
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  out. That's okay, And I love that you're blurry or that I need
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  to put my glasses on. No, it's me, it's my service.
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  It's the Internet. It doesn't like me. Right now, that's okay.
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  I am working on fixing that with Amazon Ness, Mesh whatever, and hopefully
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  I can get that fixed sooner rather than later. But up until you know,
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  we really launch other things next year, I'm trying. I'm doing my
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  best. Well. I just have to say thank you for wearing purple.
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  I can't really tell my purple, of course, since I have my lights
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  darkened. And for those that don't know, my mother's favorite color was purple.
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  She told everybody she had purple blood because she went to Portnaha's High school.
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  And they're the Indians. So I even pulled out her wine glass out
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  of my wine cabinet that I don't know how old I was, but my
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  handwriting was not great when I made this cup for her. I mean,
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  you're also writing on a baldest glass, so there's I mean, you know,
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  I was bragging to my parents who are now here about who made the
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  wreath that's downstairs with buzz and woody and stuff, and that it was you,
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  and you know, so you are, you are a queen of the
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  craft. I would say that's probably much better than I could do now.
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  So I haven't thought it was cool to bedazzle it. You can't really see
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  the bedazzling, but it's been bedazzled, so I will and both said that
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  a mega pint I won't fill it up all the way. I also have
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  to say it was great talking to the little bruise yesterday and the little one
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  who goes, how old are you? And I could hear you in the
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  background just going stop it, stop it. You don't ask that question.
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  Don't ask that question. He's four. Uh you know, I guess if
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  you can get away with it right now, go for it. Yeah,
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  I mean, ask if you can JT. I'm trying to send you a
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  text. It's just for my knowledge. No, we're live, and this
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  is dumb question. Our guests cannot hear in the background. Is that supposed
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  to be the way it works? Right now? Say that one more time.
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  They cannot hear. Oh they can hear now, never mind it was
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  me. It's just me. Oh okay, it's just me. Guys.
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  It has been a day. Let's just get it on out there and say
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  it's been a day. I've been running behind all day. Some things happened
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  that popped up and I needed to jump in and a handle and a little
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  behind today. So I appreciate everybody being patient with being being a little off
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  today. But I did open a bottle of wine and I cannot even pronounce
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  it. Is that good or bad? Floras? I don't know. Is
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  it Flores d priori? I don't know. It's rose. Yeah. I
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  bought it because the bottle was pretty. It's like embellished, so you can
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  keep it and make a vase out of it. I just want to say,
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  we've got folks watching on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube obviously, so hello
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  to all of you. We appreciate you being here tonight. I think if
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  there was any night to be with us, this is the ones. And
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  we're on Twitter too, Yes, yeah, yeah, I think I threw
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  us on my Twitter account. Oh okay, I didn't know we could do
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  that. This is why you do mission control. It's just, you know,
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  I like fiddling around and trying new things. Okay, somebody said that's
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  a large bottle of wine. It's not. It's a regular size bottle.
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  It just I think looks big. It's it's truly just a regular size.
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  And now I'm not gonna put a straw in it or anything. Okay.
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  So no, I want to thank everybody upfront for joining us. And I'm
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  going to just get this out of the way and say this because I want
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  everybody to know. This will be the first time I do a live stream
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  of this type of interview, and I want to tell everybody because we have
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  chat. If you chat anything that is disrespectful or insensitive, your comment will
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  be hidden. If you do it a second time, your comments will be
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  blocked. I have zero patients or tolerance for anyone being disrespectful to the parents
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  of Chase Lackey, or to JT and I. JT and I could probably
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  handle a little better, but I'm not going to allow it to happen.
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  So I just want to tell everybody upfront, you will get your comments hidden,
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  you will get blocked, and if you try to do anything else,
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  I will find a way to block you from this channel. So not trying
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  to be a capital B, but I'm just telling y'all up front, I
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  got no tolerance today, So I'll get off my soapbox. JT. I
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  think that's a safe soapbox to be on, though you know, I'm certainly
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  not gonna push you off of it. I'll let you keep going if you
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  want. Yeah, No, think that's what they came here to hear.
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  I don't think that's what they came here. Oh, it looks like we
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  actually have another family member. Looks like I want to chase his sisters in
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  the room. So now I'm gonna really get emotional. The other thing,
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  I'm gonna just also warn everybody I've been emotional all day. My mama Bear
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  passed away five years ago today. That's why we're wearing purple this case,
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  in doing this special investigation, has made me more emotional than I ever thought
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  I could be on something we worked on. I've said it in a couple
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  of my social media videos, I have found myself crying when I go to
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  sleep because I can't. I just can't imagine what these amazing people have been
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  through and how they're surviving and still living life every day. So I want
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  to before we get started, just to say thank you to everybody who has
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  been so kind, has shared our messages and have shared our post people JT
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  tell them our notifications are going crazy, aren't they? With people messaging us
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  directly. I like, it's one of those good problems to have. It's
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  something that I don't want to complain about because yes, yes, ding ding
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  ding ding, But the reality is that means involvement, That means interaction,
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  and not interaction for the sake of interaction, but interaction in the way that
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  people are paying attention. And that's what we need. So m mh,
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  Like I said, I love it. I just never I never thought I
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  would be like, oh my god, my phone is gonna die. It's
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  going off so much. I had to learn what battery saver was on a
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  cell phone. I luckily my monkey butt showed me how you go and you
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  put it so that you're like on a certain mode so that your battery lasts
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  longer. It took a ten year old to teach me that. Yeah.
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  So are we ready to get starting? Mister JT? Sure absolutely? Would
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  you like to do a lovely introduction? We can't, and we can so
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  tonight we have Chase's mom, Debbie, and Chase's dad Craig, who are
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  joining us live. I know Craig has done some other live interviews like this.
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  I'm not sure it was live or if it was recorded. I just
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  know I watched it. It was about two hours. But Debbie, I
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  think this is her first time doing this in a live setting. So I
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  want to say thank you to both of you for agreeing to do this,
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  because I can't imagine that it's easy, and I know it's something that you
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  never planned or wanted to do in your life, was to have to come
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  on and have this kind of conversation. So I want to say thank you
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  foremost and upfront for everything. I just want to say thank y'all for doing
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  what y'all are doing, Like you said this in my first podcast that I've
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  done or what have you, But the outpouring of love and support from literally
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  thousands of people that I have never met, that don't know Seth or don't
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  know Chase, and all the love and prayers that have continuously poured in on
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  his page has literally blown me away. I mean, I've got people in
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  Canada, people in Australia sharing this. I mean that just literally worldwide is
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  just amazing to me. You hear, you watch the news, you hear
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  about all the murdering Mayhem and all the bad people. But people, trust
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  me, there are plenty of good people in this world. I'm staring at
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  to them right now on my screen. They took this on because somebody said,
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  hey, once you look into this, and they have literally moved mountains
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  mountains. My heartfelt thanks will never be enough for what Terry and JT have
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  done in a matter of months that has not been done in six years plus
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  now. So I said, don't thank us for being here, thank y'all
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  for what y'all are doing now. And I'll be honest. JT and I
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  were talking yesterday and we talked about when we originally agreed that we were going
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  to do this, we really thought we'd give an update every couple of months.
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  Guys, we are blown away at how many people have jumped in and
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  become and invested, and I'm truly shocked by the love the respect. I
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  mean, like I said, there's been a couple of what I call Karen's
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  out there, but that's not even like point zero five percent, and I'm
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  just still I'm trying to think of the right word. It's made me appreciate
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  the human race a little bit more, because there's a lot of times you
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  get to where you're like, you know what, people just suck and I
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  don't like people. I'm gonna just go hang out with my dog. But
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  since we started even looking into this back in June, I'm floored by how
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  kind people have been. And it truly, if I can only imagine,
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  if it's heartwarming to me, it's got to be tenfold for you guys.
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  Like said it, it's blown me away. I mean a Facebook friend,
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  somebody that I didn't know at the time, but her name is Jill Simmons,
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  Micabe. I'm hoping I'm pronouncing that right, Jill, if you're watching
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  tonight, But she suggests it and asked if I wanted to hear her set
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  up a page for Chase. Like, as y'all know tonight, I'm not
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  computer savvy, so doing all that kind of stuff on Facebook. You know,
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  I was like, yeah, go for it, because I have no
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  clue how to do that. She did, out the goodness of her heart.
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  She reached out to me and asked me if I wanted to set that
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  page up, and I said absolutely. She said, I'll put all your
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  family members as you know, administrators, moderators or whatever, and I'll take
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  myself off after I get set up. And that's how his page came about.
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  Somebody that I had never met livez totally halfway across the country from me,
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  and we were Facebook friends, and she heard about it and reached out
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  and that's how all this started. Wow, I did not know that story.
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  I just assumed, and we know what assuming does. And obviously I'm
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  living proof because I just assumed you did, or that maybe one of your
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  kids did. So that is I mean, because your kids are you know,
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  got some that are in that realm that probably knows social media pretty good,
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  and then you've got some younger ones. Right. But I will say,
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  before we get too far into this, I wanted to first ask you,
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  Debbie, how are you doing? Because I know this has got to
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  be gut wrenching and hard. So how are you doing. It's hard.
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  Just whenever we do stuff like this, it takes me right back to that
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  day. And I can't thank y'all enough as well. I mean everything Craig
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  said, I mean things that were not done in six and a half years
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  y'all have done in three months. That has just overwhelmed us. So we
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  can't thank y'all enough. Thank everybody. Yeah, I mean I can tell
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  you JT and I don't need anythings. I mean, I think everybody who's
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  sharing it, we signed up for this. You know. I'm glad.
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  I'm glad we did. I mean, like I said, it's way more
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  than I thought it was going to be and I'm glad. So now,
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  Craig, how are you doing? Because I, like I said, I
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  know you've done these before, but how are you doing this time? Is
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  different? What makes it different? If I can ask, I can't answer
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  that, Okay. I think it's maybe the connections that you have growing up
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  in the area where he went missing, having connections to Crosby, and I
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  think you I think you may have mentioned that Champ was a straw that broke
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  the camel's back and said I'm doing this case I've not been this emotional throughout
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  the last six and a half years. And like I said, I just
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  I cannot thank y'all enough for what y'all are doing, the whole team,
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  not just you and JT, but the investigators, the researchers. I mean,
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  y'all have literally poured your heart and soul into this and thank you just
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  sounds so insignificant for what y'all doing for us, and I can't, Like
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  I said, I certainly appreciate that a lot. Oop. Go ahead,
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  Derek, do you want to No, I was just gonna calm it.
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  I don't want any of you to think that I'm a horrible person, that
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  it was the dog that drugged me in But like I said, people suck.
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  I like the dogs because they don't yell at me, they don't talk
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  back to me, they don't steal my wine. That that was not a
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  negative. Trust me, that was not a negative. Like I said,
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  you just had so many connections to it all. I'm sorry, didn't mean
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  to butt in. JT. Go ahead, that's no. You butt in
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  whenever you want to. I'm going to butt in JT. Oh sorry,
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  I'm gonna walk on you and butt in for just real quick. I'm sorry.
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  I know I told you to jump in. I want to share because
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  I haven't even told you JT. And I was waiting for tonight and I
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  meant to do it earlier. So we decided to do this, and Craig's
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  aware. Debbie, I don't even think you and I've had the chance for
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  me to tell you the number of people who've reached out to me that I
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  grew up with, or that I know from growing up in North Shore and
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  hanging out in Crosby, that knew Chase or your family. To find out
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  that Mama Bear, my brother had all these friends. He played all the
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  sports, baseball. I want to say there was twelve sons that was like
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  son one, two, three, all the way up, and I think
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  Jamie was son number eight. He reached out to me and he goes,
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  hey, I helped. I think he was a batting coach or something with
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  Chase when he was younger, and I was like, holy Toledos, how
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  are these connections keep happening. Though I was worried about doing something so close
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  to home, I'll be honest, I was very I was like, ooh,
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  this could get really ugly real quick. And guys, it hasn't.
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  There's been no ugly It has all been nothing but love. And I've people
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  that I haven't talked to since I left home and grew up that have reached
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  out and have reconnected with. So I have to say thank you to you
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  guys for that. It's not the way I wanted to reconnect with some old
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  friends that I grew up with, but it's happened, and I'm I'm forever
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  gonna be thankful for that. So I wanted to let you guys know that
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  I'm sorry. Davy. She's referring to the Diamondbacks. Oh okay, that's
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  the Jamie she's referring to. Okay, okay, he had two boys on
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  that team, and yep he reached out. Oh cool, Yeah, I
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  mean it was great because he also told me he goes just so you know,
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  your mama Bear would be proud. And I was like, okay,
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  there we go. Let's just make me emotional again. People come on,
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  so now chase him, will let you talk for a while, And I'm
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  gonna drink and I'm not double fisting. This is water. This is the
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  water. The next thing I know, you know a lot of our folks,
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  they don't they don't necessarily know a lot about Chase, and so I
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  was wondering if either this is a question for either of you, if you
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  could just kind of explain, like or talk about him in terms of what
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  he was like growing up. You know, what were some of his likes,
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  dislikes, Any stories that stick out about Chase, some stuff that we
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  can kind of connect with in any way, shape or form. Go ahead,
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  baby, I have a funny story. The girls reminded me of it
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  today. If his birthday, of course, every other year falls on Thanksgiving,
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  so we were running behind. You would get into my parents' house,
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  and of course we always brought his birthday cake. And I said, well,
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  we're gonna stop and you're gonna pick out a cake. Well, he
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  was taken forever and just being his goofy self because it just wasn't being serious,
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  and like, Chase, people are waiting on us. Come on.
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  I'm like, look, there's a carrot cake. Everybody likes carrot cake.
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  He goes, I don't want a carrot cake. And I was like a
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  cake And he's sat there and again, y'all he was he hauned around.
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  The girls were like, come on, Chase, I said, get the
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  carrot cake and let's go. So we finally get to my mom's house and
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  he was just like, I hope everybody enjoys my carrot cake. He goes,
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  because that's not the cake I wanted. I wanted cookies and cream.
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  So every year for his birthday, we always have a form of a carrot
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  cake. Even when he's lebask he goes, oh, there's my carrot cake.
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  And even since he's passed since show, Oh gosh, I can't you
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  believe I said that. Since he's been gone and we've had his parties and
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  stuff, had some gatherings for him, the girls of Stephanie us out there
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  and brought a carrot She goes, you know, we got to have the
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  carrot cake. And so we still even have the carrot cake for me and
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  going, Chase, this is for you. So okay, well, we're
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  gonna have to do carrot cake for the vigil. When we announced that that
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  we're going to be meeting up the Saturday before his birthday, we're going to
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  have to do some carrot cake. Maybe I'll do some Maybe we'll reach out
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  to bakery and get some carrot cake cupcakes because we're going to need to make
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  sure he has his carrot cake. Yes, we got people focusing carrots and
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  cake. I bet you people who are in other countries probably are going,
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  what the he hessage is a carrot cake? Because I gotta tell you I
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  never had a carrot cake until I met h h oh, gosh, they're
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  good. I was like, why would you put carrots in a cake?
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  What's wrong with you people? Why would you ruin a cake? Do you
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  have any carrot? If you put carrots in it, it counts as a
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  salad, so you can eat all you want. Oh I like that.
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  I like that. So do you have a story for us? Craig?
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  Absolutely. My parents had a lake house in Lake Livingstone and they entrusted me
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  to remodel it for them, and from time to time I would take Chase
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  up there with me. So we were working, probably around like two or
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  three o'clock in the morning. I said, well, I don't know about
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  you, but I'm getting hung ass. You want to get something neat?
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  And he's like sure. So we go into downtown Livingston find the taco bell
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  open. I said, what do you want? He said, give me
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  eight tacos. I was like, what he's like? He said, give
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  me eight tacos. I said, all right, give me my tacos.
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  And I got a buried over a couple of tacos or whatever, and we
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  walked out. I said, you know what you ought to do. I
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  said, you gotta walk back in there and cram a taco in your mouth
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  and it's like going good living, you know. And we laughed all the
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  way back to the house, and it was I mean, we could not
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  literally stop laughing. We laughed and laughed and laughed, and we had a
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  family gathering up there. I think it was Christmas time. And my oldest
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  brother, he said, Chase, he says, do you just laugh at
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  everything? He said, no, I don't. He goes, yeah,
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  you do. He says, no, I don't. And my brother says
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  donut, and Chase just busted out laughing over donut, you know. And
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  that was him. He was always laughing, always smiling, and that was
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  a quintessential essence of him. He come up with some of the goofiest off
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  the wall faults that was like, how would you think of this? Why
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  did you think of this? You know? Am I wrong? No?
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  You're not? I mean, did he get in trouble in school because I
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  just have to tell you because I know one of your daughters. This is
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  a teacher. I bet when she gets that one kid in class, she's
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  like, Okay, now I know what my mom went through. Could you
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  just stop being funny? Please? Could you just stop now? You mentioned
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  that I got to tell you this is my last funny story of him.
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  His junior year, he was running for most Humorous, and of course he
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  didn't win first, so he didn't win, so he got second place in
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  it. He was so disappointed his senior year he said, Mom, I'm
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  going to get it. I am going to get I'm going to get an
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  award for this. I'm like, so you're winning an award for disrupting class.
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  That just doesn't sound like a good thing to me. You know.
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  Well, needless to say, year he got an award, of course,
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  he was like, so, Mom, are you going to miss work to
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  come and watch me, you know, get this award? I said,
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  of course, some of the other girls have gotten perfect attendance, you know,
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  all a's and so forth. But he is so proud of this most
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  humorous in his senior year. Needless to say, of course, I'm going
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  to say, now I feel bad. I did not go because I'm like,
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  so I'm gonna sit there and watch my son, this disrupted class get
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  up there and get an award for it. I'm sorry, I just can't
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  couldn't see myself doing it. But he was so proud of that that he
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  got Most Humorous So in his senior year. So, oh, there's one
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  of his teachers. Well, I'll say this. Margaret says that she taught
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  him and he was a joy. So well, he's probably a funny joy.
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  Probably is what she really wants to say. I mean funny. He's
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  not a bad thing. No, it's not bad, but it's not bad.
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  He's had to run a lot with the coaches because the teachers call me
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  and I'm like, make him run, send him to his coach. I
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  don't want to tell him what I'm let's tell him. Stop laughing, you
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  know. Oh everybody's being so yeah, I'd love our crew. Our crew
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  is like you know, if I mentioned throw some hearts in the chat,
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  they truly you know, they truly want to help, and that they love
• 28:07
  they love the fact that you guys are here. So I'm glad that you're
• 28:11
  here. And if here come the hearts, they're coming their way. Uh,
• 28:18
  Terry, you want to you want to continue on? Oh, maybe
• 28:23
  you jumped in. I've had people. I've had people tell me, you
• 28:29
  know, I don't know how to ask or what to say or should I
• 28:32
  say. I said, ask me whatever question you want to ask. If
• 28:37
  I know the answer, I'll tell you. If I don't know the answer,
• 28:41
  I'll tell you. I said, I'm appreciative of the fact that you're
• 28:45
  asking about him. So you're not going to upset me, You're not going
• 28:49
  to hurt my feelings. I love the fact that you're asking about him.
• 28:53
  And I tell everybody that, and my mom has told me literally thousands of
• 29:02
  times. You know, I just don't see how you're holding up as well
• 29:04
  as you are. And I was like, what choice do I have,
• 29:10
  you know, I mean, it's it is what it is. This is
• 29:14
  where we are. I can't dwell on it, you know, I've got
• 29:18
  to keep on and sugar con sugar. I'm just gonna have to say,
• 29:30
  I'm not sure a kid would love that, but I love it. So
• 29:36
  I love it. Now, before we get into a lot of stuff,
• 29:41
  I do want to ask. So everybody that I've had the pleasure to speak
• 29:47
  to has told me what a great person Chase was. That he would literally
• 29:52
  give you the shirt off of his back, even if he didn't have another
• 29:55
  one to put on, and you want to show off his abs? Oh?
• 30:00
  Was that what it was? Okay? Now, he was a good
• 30:03
  looking guy. I mean, I'm not going to lie and you know,
• 30:08
  say he's not. In fact, my neighbor was over here earlier and I
• 30:12
  have I have a board where I've got a picture of Chase and people I'm
• 30:18
  interested in talking to, and I have a board, right, and she
• 30:22
  goes, he's kind of cute in me and I'm like, he is,
• 30:26
  And I feel very dirty thinking that because of the age. But he's he
• 30:30
  was an attractive guy, and he wasn't, apparently shared to you know,
• 30:33
  scared to show it off because I guess he did some body building there for
• 30:38
  a little bit, right, Yeah, yes, ma'am. So he definitely
• 30:42
  wasn't shy about showing off those apps. He wasn't, but I have to
• 30:48
  ask. And he was also a very skinny guy when he was younger.
• 30:55
  Did he eat you guys out of house and home? Oh my god?
• 30:57
  Yes. But he was always on the go, he was always moving.
• 31:03
  He was not one to just sit there for hours and you know, play
• 31:06
  on his Xbox. He was out there riding his bike, his skateboard.
• 31:10
  He's playing softball, playing baseball, always doing something, always well. And
• 31:15
  you say baseball, How did he go from baseball into because if I remember
• 31:23
  correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do because I'm a little emotional, he
• 31:27
  was playing in a softball league right around the time that he disappeared. How
• 31:33
  did he go from baseball to softball? Because I'll be honest, I'm not
• 31:38
  that intelligent when it comes to baseball and softball, and the softball much bigger
• 31:44
  because I played softball for a couple of years. Wasn't good at it.
• 31:48
  I didn't think guys played softball. Oh yeah, softball big, big time.
• 31:53
  It's a co ed league too, so that's for the girls and the
• 31:56
  guys. Okay, So he did that after high school? Yes, yes,
• 32:02
  yes, Now was it a traveling league? Was it just their local
• 32:12
  because I know somebody it was primarily local. Okay. They they did have
• 32:19
  some guys that wanted to go play in a tournament out of state, and
• 32:25
  they got a group of people together and they asked Chase to join them,
• 32:30
  and he jumped out the chance, and he said, yeah, I want
• 32:32
  to go win a ring. And they did and he went to New Mexico
• 32:43
  I believe it was, and played played in New Mexico and they won the
• 32:47
  championship. And like I said, it was something he always wanted to do,
• 32:52
  was win a ring every year since he was four years old when he
• 32:57
  started playing t ball. The champion that that league champion had a banner put
• 33:06
  up at the field with all the kids' names on it, all the coaches,
• 33:09
  this, that and the other. And he had his name on every
• 33:15
  field in Crosby at one time, from t ball to what was it Majors?
• 33:22
  Yeah, wasn't it Majors was the biggest league that had or a pony
• 33:27
  or colt or whatever. But like I said, he had his name on
• 33:31
  every field at that Crosby complex. Do y'all spend a lot of time at
• 33:37
  the baseball and softball fields? That sounds like, oh yeah, oh yeah?
• 33:42
  And the summers because he'd make All Stars. Yeah, every year,
• 33:45
  every year except maybe the first year. Well, I'm just going to tell
• 33:50
  your your daughters that I'm sorry for them because my brother did all of those
• 33:55
  same things. And let me tell you summer was all about him. He
• 34:00
  made All Stars and I was like, well, hey, have that me
• 34:02
  here? I mean, I got to go to the games. Another funny
• 34:10
  story, my parents at the time were living in Colorado, and I would
• 34:17
  call mom at night and give her an update on, you know, how
• 34:22
  he did and how the team was doing and everything. And apparently I was
• 34:28
  rather animated about it, according to her, because she says, we need
• 34:34
  to go to Texas. Dad says what she said, we need to go
• 34:37
  to Texas. He goes for what she goes, Chase is playing in a
• 34:42
  championship game tomorrow, and we need to be there. He says, that's
• 34:46
  twelve hundred miles. She says, yeah, he said, we can't make
• 34:52
  it there in time. He said, yeah, we can. I can
• 34:53
  go up there and throw some clothes in a suitcase right quick, and we'll
• 34:55
  jump in the car and you drive to get tired, and then you know,
• 35:00
  I'll sleep, and then I'll drive and you sleep, and you know,
• 35:02
  we'll switch all we can get there. And Debbie, I'm sure you
• 35:06
  remember this, but my mom and dad got there before we got to the
• 35:09
  park, and they parked way away from us and was watching for us to
• 35:15
  come in the game was fixed and start and they come walking up and my
• 35:21
  mom leaned over and excuse me, are these seats taken? I didn't even
• 35:24
  recognize my mother. I was so blown away. I just talked to you,
• 35:28
  you know, fifteen twelve, fifteen hours ago, and now here you
• 35:34
  are walking up to the baseball field to watch him play baseball. This was
• 35:37
  a T ball game, a T ball championship game. Is it tee ball?
• 35:44
  Like the little bitty guys? And it's the ball sitting on the Okay,
• 35:46
  I just either one of my kids played. It was five years old.
• 35:51
  Five years old. But wow, that's some that's some dedication. Absolutely
• 36:00
  absolutely, And guys, nobody panic. I didn't fire JT or keep him
• 36:06
  on. He's done, he's out of here. He's like, Terry,
• 36:09
  you're just over the top today. Can't do it. So did I have
• 36:15
  to ask? Was he interested in sports from like day one? Because my
• 36:22
  brother was eighteen months older than me. But I have to tell you,
• 36:24
  I don't ever remember him not having a baseball, basketball, or football in
• 36:29
  his hands. Every memory I have of him as a child had something.
• 36:35
  So my thought is they're just born with a ball in their hands. If
• 36:38
  they're going to be that way. He had from the day he was born.
• 36:45
  He had large or i'll say not large, but long fingers. And
• 36:52
  I was like, you know, he's gonna be able to grip a ball,
• 36:54
  he's gonna be able to you know, pitch, throw a ball,
• 36:58
  and this, that and the other. But from a very young age,
• 37:01
  he was throwing balls in the house accurate. I mean, he wasn't knocking
• 37:07
  stuff over and breaking things. He was accurate. I mean, does he
• 37:10
  know you don't throw balls in the house. I'm sure you told us all
• 37:15
  the time. Okay, I was like the balls of the house. It
• 37:27
  was fine because he didn't hit things. He was thrown to the target whatever
• 37:31
  it was, you know, at his sisters or throwing it to me or
• 37:35
  whatever. He hit the target, plain and simple. He didn't ever break
• 37:38
  anything or knocking a lamp over or break a picture frame. It was you
• 37:43
  know, he had just unbelievable control the day won I know, like a
• 37:50
  progative. Sisters, whatever was moving. How did they feel about being the
• 37:55
  target? Hopefully he didn't happy about it, but they got over with it.
• 38:02
  They don't with that. Oh my gosh. Now, tell us about
• 38:08
  June thirtieth, twenty seventeen, because the date of the softball game. Were
• 38:15
  you both there that night or just Craig. Greg was there, and I
• 38:21
  believe Heather was there. Heather with her husband at the time. Yeah,
• 38:25
  so Craig tell us about that. He he called me and said, hey,
• 38:32
  if you're gonna be around, I've got, you know, softball game
• 38:37
  there at the sports complex. You know, you want to come out and
• 38:39
  watch. And I didn't have any plans. I said, yeah, I'll
• 38:43
  come up there and check it out. And he was doing what he loved.
• 38:52
  I mean, he was out there playing ball, competing and had a
• 38:57
  great game. And it was a doubleheader, and I couldn't stay for the
• 39:02
  second game. I said, all right, boys, So I said,
• 39:07
  you know, I'd love to stay for the second game, but you know,
• 39:09
  I got to get home and you know, I get ready for work
• 39:12
  tomorrow. And he gave me one of his patented beer bread one of his
• 39:16
  patented beer big bear hugs and said, I love you, Pop. And
• 39:24
  that was the last time I've seen her hurting from that day. But he
• 39:30
  seemed normal. I mean, like I said, he was out there playing
• 39:35
  the game and giving it as all and didn't seem like he had a care
• 39:37
  in the world as far as what was bubbling under the surface, which you
• 39:44
  know, obviously we had no idea about and didn't find out about until after
• 39:50
  all this nightmare started. But you know, he was running like a gazelle
• 39:57
  like he always did, and was you know, hit a ball and just
• 40:00
  scoot around the bases, and it's the typical Chase baseball game, you know.
• 40:08
  He, like I said, everything seemed fine to me. H didn't
• 40:17
  have any qualms about anything. You know. Whenever I left that night,
• 40:22
  you know, we said our goodbye, told me to love me, and
• 40:25
  you know that was that was it. But I'm just I'm so glad that,
• 40:35
  you know, I went out there that night because who knew that was
• 40:38
  gonna be the last time I saw him. Yeah, Oh my gosh.
• 40:45
  And I'm sure I'm sure you've played that night over and over in your mind,
• 40:51
  and I really I don't want to make you have to do it again.
• 40:53
  Really, no, It's like I it does not bother me to talk
• 41:01
  about it any of this, you know, Like I said, I I'm
• 41:07
  appreciative of people asking about him and you know, keeping his name out there
• 41:14
  and keeping this you know, investigation going and getting answers and all that.
• 41:20
  So I've got no problem at all. Ask me anything you want to ask.
• 41:23
  And like I said, if I know the answer, I'll tell you.
• 41:27
  If I don't, I'll tell you that as well. But like I
• 41:29
  said, it you're not going to upset me or you know, bring back
• 41:32
  horrible memories or this, that and the other. Like I said, we're
• 41:37
  in this situation because he made bad choices. I talked loud blew on the
• 41:43
  face to him about this kind of stuff. He chose to ignore it.
• 41:47
  So here we are. Some people may be watching, he's like, wow,
• 41:52
  that's really cold hearted dad saying that. You know, No, I'm
• 41:55
  a realist. I don't sugarcoat things. Debby can tell you for the number
• 42:00
  of years that we were married. I'm blunt. I tell it the way
• 42:04
  it is. You don't like it, I'm sorry, but you don't want
• 42:07
  to answer, don't ask me the question because I'm gonna give you my my
• 42:14
  answer, you know, from the heart, and you don't think you can
• 42:19
  handle it, and don't ask it. But like I said, this whole
• 42:22
  situation to me has been just a matter of fact. He made bad choices.
• 42:29
  This is where we are. I can't go back and change his choices.
• 42:32
  I can't change anything about it. So you know, that's basically the
• 42:40
  bottom line. That's definitely and that's you know, you were mentioning choices and
• 42:47
  things, and I know that that's a layer, right that just kind of
• 42:51
  rests on top of this, And I was you know, I'm wondering if
• 42:54
  if you would be comfortable either you were or Debbie talking about kind of some
• 43:00
  of those things that because you you had mentioned that you didn't know much about
• 43:04
  this until afterwards. I didn't know about any Yeah, we didn't know anything.
• 43:12
  Yeah, I'm wondering if you would you would be okay with kind of
• 43:14
  talking about some of those things that you you discovered. Sure, well,
• 43:22
  before we do that, just to kind of keep it in frame, do
• 43:27
  we want to first talk about what caused you first to suspect something wasn't right
• 43:34
  and that he was missing, because I think that'll kind of lead us,
• 43:37
  yeah, into all of that. Okay, Yes, So yeah, if
• 43:44
  you'll excuse me just a minut I'm going to leave the frame for just a
• 43:46
  minute. I'll be right back. Yeah, it was me that sat there
• 43:50
  and was texting him matter of fact, because I mean, I've changed phones
• 43:53
  several times since he's been gone, and I've made sure that I go to
• 43:57
  the at and T stored it for them to do it. So I have
• 44:00
  all of his text messages. That is crucial to me because I go back
• 44:04
  and look at it all the time. So, but I had been texting
• 44:07
  him because he said he was going to be working in California, but he
• 44:10
  hadn't done his taxes yet, me staying on his butt, saying, get
• 44:15
  your taxes done, get your taxes done before you go. He had asked
• 44:19
  me, Mom, how do you feel about me going and working in California?
• 44:22
  I said, son, you don't have any children, you're not married.
• 44:25
  Go and enjoy it, you know, go and you know he goes,
• 44:29
  yep, won't you miss me? I said, I'll go see you
• 44:30
  and you can come home and see me. So he was telling me he
• 44:34
  was doing the drug test and getting ready for all. That is what he
• 44:37
  was telling me. And the dates on that was like June, I wrote
• 44:42
  him down. I had asked him on the thirtieth, well, let's see,
• 44:45
  it was the twenty sixth is when we started. I talked to him
• 44:47
  the twenty fifth, the twenty sixth. The twenty seventh, he had said
• 44:52
  he got in from a football game at I mean a baseball game at from
• 44:53
  Amarillo or softball game from Amarillo, and it got in really late, and
• 44:58
  I said, well, how'd you go to work the next day? He
• 45:00
  goes, it was hard, but I did it, and then he sat
• 45:04
  there and I texted him again him that said on the twenty ninth, and
• 45:07
  then I asked him on the thirtieth, I said, hey, text me
• 45:09
  when you're on your way to work. Because I always left the house at
• 45:13
  five o'clock five point thirty and he had to be to work at six,
• 45:16
  so he would sometimes call me in the morning. Well, he didn't call
• 45:20
  me that day, and so I text him back and said, hey,
• 45:22
  did you handle the irs stuff? I did that on and I got nothing.
• 45:28
  That was on the first. On the second, I sent him a
• 45:30
  message and said I tried calling you and you still haven't called me back.
• 45:35
  And then on the fourth I texted him and said call me. Damn it,
• 45:37
  I'm freaking out. And that's whenever I asked the girls, I said,
• 45:43
  hey, has anybody talked to your brother? And they said no,
• 45:45
  And so I put it on Facebook and said, has anybody seen or talked
• 45:49
  to Chase lately? And I believe that some of his softball buddies that played
• 45:53
  with Heather's husband at the time, they all kind of got together and said,
• 45:58
  Hey, I know where he's got a spare key. Let's go over
• 46:00
  there. So they all went ahead and went over there, and my other
• 46:02
  daughter Stephanie went and joined him. I lived in Rosenberg, so I was
• 46:07
  an hour and fifteen minutes away when they were all like twenty and thirty minutes
• 46:09
  away. So they went and that's when they got into the sliding glass door
• 46:15
  and they went into the place and like I said, that's when we discovered
• 46:20
  he wasn't there. Truck was, their wallet, everything had been there.
• 46:25
  So that's when that started happening. Some of the friends that were there were
• 46:30
  really good friends of his. And I believe you've talked to him. Terry
• 46:35
  Brandon and his wife at the time was Erica, and they talked they saw
• 46:38
  him all the time, and they said, you know, we thought y'all
• 46:42
  knew, you know, what he was doing, and they said, he
• 46:44
  hasn't done ironwork. He had and work since January and we're, like I
• 46:49
  said, he just told me he was working just the other day, and
• 46:52
  they're like, no, he wasn't. So they said he's been going back
• 46:54
  and forth to California and doing this stuff. And he said he kept saying
• 47:01
  that he was coming and that he was looking over his shoulder. Somebody had
• 47:07
  told me that. At the baseball game, they asked him if he was
• 47:10
  going to get in the next league and he said, no, I'm gonna
• 47:14
  have to skip it because I got some stuff going on that I need to
• 47:16
  take care of. And Craig said he didn't remember him saying that, but
• 47:20
  I remember them telling me that. And then I had tried to go in
• 47:25
  and follow a missing person report. I told Craig, you know what all
• 47:29
  we found and blah blah blah, and I went to the police department to
• 47:32
  follow a police a missing person's report because none of us could get a hold
• 47:37
  of him, and they said it's best to just put it on Facebook.
• 47:42
  You'll get a quicker response just putting it on Facebook. So that's when we
• 47:45
  went and said, hey, if anybody's talked to him, I'm really getting
• 47:47
  concerned. Not that I had that bad, bad, gut wrenching feeling in
• 47:52
  my stomach that something was bad. But just the fact he had not gotten
• 47:57
  with me in three or four, almost four or five days, and I'm
• 48:00
  going to say, has he done it before? He's done it for two
• 48:04
  or three where he's like, mom, I lost my phone, my gosh,
• 48:07
  you know, or it got ran over by somebody's tired because I'd put
• 48:10
  it on the trunk, or my phone died. So it was typical stuff
• 48:14
  that he would do. But he's never gone this long without you know,
• 48:17
  calling me and especially me saying I'm freaking out, I need you to call
• 48:22
  me U. He would have definitely called me or something like that or text
• 48:25
  me back and said, hey, I'm good, you know, more or
• 48:28
  less leave me alone, you know, I'm busy. But so that was
• 48:32
  the moment. Well, I did the face. I mean, I did
• 48:35
  the Facebook deal. I told Craig what the police department said, and of
• 48:38
  course he was like bs. He said, we're filing a police We're filing
• 48:42
  a missing person's report. So he went up there again the next day.
• 48:45
  I went to the apartments at that time and said I need to get in,
• 48:50
  and she said, well, we're going to let you in because you're
• 48:52
  you know, his emergency contact. So she let me in, and uh,
• 48:59
  you know, they are told me things that they had found in the
• 49:00
  apartment and stuff. But she let me in to walk around because I hadn't
• 49:04
  been in there yet. So I got to walk around in there, and
• 49:07
  she said, well, I mean his lease is up, and you know
• 49:09
  he was doing month by month. That's up in like two days. And
• 49:13
  so I said, well, I need to get a key, and she
• 49:15
  said, well, you can only get a key if you're willing to pay
• 49:17
  for the next month's rent. So I was like, all right, oh,
• 49:22
  there goes thirteen hundred dollars to do that. And then a few days
• 49:24
  later the power went off, so of course then we needed to keep going
• 49:29
  in and out and just I mean I didn't want to shut everything down because
• 49:31
  what if he's literally out of town and he doesn't have a phone, you
• 49:35
  know, and anyone would come home. And of course we realized his truck
• 49:38
  was there, I mean just literally everything was there. And then we found
• 49:42
  his wallet, driver's license, keys to the truck, I mean, just
• 49:45
  everything was there. We knew then something's wrong. So and the police didn't
• 49:52
  want to do fingerprints of anything in the apartment because they said too many people
• 49:54
  had been in there. We said, we can give you names of everybody
• 49:58
  that's been in here that we that came in here that and there was probably
• 50:01
  five people that went in there. And they're like, no, that's that's
• 50:05
  just too many people, you know, And you've already been touching things.
• 50:08
  Yeah, And I'm gonna try very hard to watch my mouth. But I
• 50:16
  remember the first time you told me that the apartments made you pay for that
• 50:20
  next month. The audacity of them asking you to do that. I mean,
• 50:28
  when you sign a lease. I remember, back when I was younger
• 50:30
  and doing apartments, they gave away, oh, a month here free,
• 50:34
  a month there free. What in the hell possessed them to think they needed
• 50:40
  to charge you a month's rent, like you said, maybe, I mean,
• 50:45
  maybe had got in a car wreck and he was in the hospital somewhere
• 50:47
  and maybe back in a week, maybe flight got delayed because he flew out
• 50:52
  of town since she didn't know he was, you know, doing all that
• 50:55
  that. I have to tell you, I've thought about make can post to
• 51:00
  say don't go rent there because if something happens to you. I remember you
• 51:07
  saying that, and you said you weren't going to call them out because maybe
• 51:08
  it's a corporate policy blah blah blah. But at the time it was called
• 51:14
  aveer. Is that right, Debbie. I think it's something like that,
• 51:19
  add I and I has changed. Yeah, it's it's something else now it
• 51:24
  is, but at the time it was a veneer or something to that effect.
• 51:30
  Well we can call them out then, because if it was a corporate
• 51:31
  policy, it's a bad policy. Absolutely no help whatsoever. Just like you
• 51:38
  mentioned, you know, they they give you whatever to get you in there,
• 51:44
  you know, free rent for a month or two months, you know,
• 51:46
  no deposit, blah blah blah whatever. But in our situation, they
• 51:53
  did absolutely nothing, no help whatsoever, and we're snotty in the process of
• 51:59
  it. Yeah, that's all I was getting ready to say, correct me
• 52:01
  if I'm wrong, because I don't have all my stuff in front of me.
• 52:05
  Didn't they also make you take down the missing flyers? No, they
• 52:08
  took them down. We had one of the girls that offered to sit there
• 52:15
  and have them printed, and she ran a bunch of them. And I'm
• 52:19
  not sure she's on here. And Ainta's Hayley. I believe you've been talking.
• 52:22
  I think you've talked to her, probably really sweet thing. But she
• 52:24
  put her time and effort into going all over the apartment and putting them in
• 52:29
  there, and putting them in surrounding areas, and for somebody to tell us
• 52:32
  the following day they were all taken down. And yet you paid for a
• 52:36
  month's rent for an apartment that wasn't being used. And if they let you
• 52:40
  put up these missing flyers and the person has found, maybe they'll keep renting
• 52:45
  from you. Yeah, I mean, I just sorry. I didn't.
• 52:52
  I just had to get another key to his mailbox too, because I wanted
• 52:57
  to see was there anything at all they charged you? Yeah, j D
• 53:07
  I'm gonna let you talk or I go to jail for saying curse words.
• 53:14
  I've had a lot of experiences from uh Lisa. You're right, Lisa.
• 53:17
  Lisa. Lisa's from UH, from Wales, and she's tuning in. She's
• 53:23
  been following along with everybody else. She's lovely Lisa. But I think everybody's
• 53:28
  feeling I think everybody's feeling the same way right now. It's wrong, it's
• 53:32
  horrible, it's unbelievable. Boycot them worthless place to rent from, you know
• 53:39
  what, never even heard of it. But Uh, I'm gonna agree,
• 53:42
  because well, should I put up this comment that says what it's called now,
• 53:46
  a's a freaking stone ridge belt? Wait eight yep, that is it
• 53:55
  now? Now that I know the name has changed that, I'm thinking they
• 54:02
  may have changed ownership. But of course we know. I mean, either
• 54:06
  look into that or I'm gonna have somebody else do it. Because when I
• 54:09
  went I guess it's been a couple of months now, and I went by
• 54:14
  and was trying to knock on doors. They did have somebody ask me to
• 54:17
  stop soliciting, and when I told them I wasn't soliciting that I was trying
• 54:25
  to talk to people to see if they knew the person who went missing,
• 54:29
  and they reminded me that it was private property, and I did what I
• 54:35
  do often, you know. I just rubbed my eyes with a special finger
• 54:39
  and got in my car and figured I can find out. I can find
• 54:44
  these people online just as easy. But yeah, nobody needs to live there,
• 54:50
  and I'm sorry. They can come at me if they want. I
• 54:52
  can send them my address. It's online. If you go to our page
• 54:58
  True Crime and Wine Time, it has our postal at rest. Mail me
• 55:00
  a letter and tell me to shut up. I'd love to write it,
• 55:04
  but you have to subscribe first. Oh no, our website that don't even
• 55:07
  have to subscribe thing, just get our all dress because you know, I
• 55:12
  do need some kindling to help start by fire. Now that it's cooled off
• 55:15
  and our burn bands lifted, yay. So I I just I have to
• 55:24
  ask, Debbie, did you not want to just go off on them and
• 55:30
  they told you not only did you have to pay rent, but you had
• 55:35
  to pay for a key. How did you rent? I did, But
• 55:37
  I mean at the same time, I mean, I just did not want
• 55:40
  to lose his apartment at all. So I just I mean, because again
• 55:45
  I didn't know if he was just out there or what's going on. Oh
• 55:49
  hey, Garland, what's up? Hey Garland? I mean, just not
• 55:54
  to interrupt, but Garland was one that really got a guy involved in a
• 55:59
  search right away. So within I think a day or two, he sat
• 56:02
  there and helped get us somebody to conduct the Sparrows. Heros well, Debbie,
• 56:12
  the other character I found out my nephew helped you that first search.
• 56:20
  He went with Sparrow. I just found that out last week, and I,
• 56:24
  like I said, there's just so many of these little connections that keep
• 56:28
  happening. I don't know if people are spiritual religious, if you think there's
• 56:32
  something above whatever you believe in, there is something that just keeps connecting and
• 56:38
  telling me that we did the right thing and wanting to do this, and
• 56:44
  those apartments are just horrible people. It was just a calling. I guess
• 56:47
  it brought us all together, but I was upset. But I mean,
• 56:52
  like I said, it's it was just a start of everything, and I
• 56:54
  was just hoping things weren't going to turn out like this, thinking oh,
• 56:58
  he's gonna be gone for a couple of weeks, or he's gonna be gone
• 57:00
  for three weeks. You just don't think about it being six and a half
• 57:04
  years later and you're still in this mess. Yeah. Yeah, you had
• 57:21
  mentioned kind of going into Chase's apartment. Was there anything that you noticed was
• 57:30
  at a place different missing? Had you been before and had an idea of
• 57:35
  what might have been missing or out of place? If I had been in
• 57:39
  there right after he moved in, and I don't believe any of the girls
• 57:43
  had gone. I think a couple of his friends had gone. I mean
• 57:47
  whenever we were emptying it out. I mean, it's like clothes were there,
• 57:52
  all of his shoes were there. I mean, Craig and I are
• 57:53
  the ones that packed everything up. So packed it up, threw it away,
• 57:58
  gave it away or whatever, because I mean, this was what did
• 58:01
  I do pay for two months rent, three months rent, whatever it was.
• 58:05
  I know for a while people had people had mentioned wanting to, you
• 58:12
  know, buy some of the furniture and stuff. And I told Debbie,
• 58:15
  I said, sell whatever you can sell. He owes you money, get
• 58:20
  it whatever you can get. You know, I'm fine with I said,
• 58:22
  I don't want any of it. I don't need any of it. So
• 58:27
  if you can sell it, get some of recoup some of your money that
• 58:30
  you have that you put out on this, I said, it's all all
• 58:34
  yours, you know, go for it. And when back when all this
• 58:39
  started, I believe it was Heather texting me, says, have you heard
• 58:45
  from Chase? And I said no, And so that's when I started calling
• 58:52
  and texting him because I didn't talk to him on a daily basis or maybe
• 58:55
  even a weekly basis. He would come over to the house to see the
• 59:00
  younger siblings and his phone would be blown up, and I was like,
• 59:07
  damn you know, everybody's wanting to get a hold of you, you know,
• 59:13
  because like you said, I mean, he was a good looking kid,
• 59:15
  and I'm like, get it, boy, you know, and do
• 59:19
  it now? Why you can't because it ain't gonna last forever. But kay,
• 59:23
  I thought the same thing when you said his poem was blown up.
• 59:27
  I'm like, I'd have been proud. I'd have been like, see,
• 59:32
  I told you we were kept from the same cloth. But and he he
• 59:38
  would come over and you know, spend a few hours with the kids,
• 59:43
  and I wished I wouldn't know you were going to do that video montage with
• 59:47
  the pictures, because I had one where he's laying in my kitchen floor up
• 59:52
  against the cabinets and Captain's dressed him up or whatever. I mean, it
• 1:00:00
  is the cutest picture and I'll send it to you, but please, I
• 1:00:04
  mean, it was just like I said, Well, never we found out
• 1:00:08
  that we were pregnant, my current wife, Shelley asked him. She goes,
• 1:00:15
  what do you want a baby, a boy or a girl? And
• 1:00:20
  he said, I hope it's a boy. And she asked him, she
• 1:00:22
  said, why do you hope it's a boy? He said, I've got
• 1:00:25
  sisters. I've never had a brother before. I mean it just you know,
• 1:00:30
  oh man, it just hit me. And it was a boy and
• 1:00:40
  like I said, he looks up to him like he hung the moon.
• 1:00:45
  I mean just And for the most I haven't maybe seen it. I did
• 1:00:51
  share the video of him talking at one of them they all had where he's
• 1:00:58
  talking about his brother the pizza. So if you haven't seen it on the
• 1:01:04
  Facebook page, you can go and look. Sorry, no, it's I
• 1:01:09
  understand. I said, I'm tearing up. There was. Everybody was crying
• 1:01:15
  there that night. But the thing that killed me with that video was when
• 1:01:22
  Seth said and then I threw up, And that always gets me. But
• 1:01:30
  hey, he ate something like two in a quarter or something, didn't he?
• 1:01:36
  Hey mean that's all about a pizza. Yeah, so he was oh
• 1:01:45
  what like seven at the time we did that video, six and a half
• 1:01:49
  years almost okay, ten sou he's fixing the turn sixteen. So now when
• 1:01:57
  y'all started asking people about Taste missing, you know, like Brandon than them
• 1:02:02
  and Erica you know went into the apartment, what what was that like?
• 1:02:07
  And what were you hearing? Were people offering to help look for him?
• 1:02:13
  Give you information as far as go ahead, as far as the offering to
• 1:02:21
  help, Like Debbie said, Garland knew this guy Spiro's and he's got a
• 1:02:28
  long last name that I cannot pronounce. And I'm sorry, Spiros, if
• 1:02:30
  you're happy to lea listening, but I've never been able to pronounce your name,
• 1:02:34
  and I don't want to butcher it on this live video. So uh,
• 1:02:37
  Spiros, I can pronounce, and I know how to say that,
• 1:02:40
  so everybody knows you and know who knows who I'm talking about. But he
• 1:02:45
  said, you know I can get you know, X number of people together,
• 1:02:49
  and you know we can we can go look tomorrow, you know I'll
• 1:02:52
  have them, have them there. Yeah, and he did. I mean,
• 1:02:55
  he came through and we searched all the green Belt area around his apartments
• 1:03:01
  and it was, you know, just phenomenal. Said, everybody has just
• 1:03:10
  been unbelievable with him. Like I said starting this video, the amount of
• 1:03:19
  people that have you know, sent us messages and you know, responded on
• 1:03:23
  his Chase Allen like he's missing page. Just the sheer volume of people just
• 1:03:31
  blows my mind. I have tried my best to answer every message possible and
• 1:03:42
  since y'all have taken over this case and have drummed up so much interest in
• 1:03:45
  it and found out so much stuff for us. You know, it's literally
• 1:03:51
  gotten overwhelming, and I've just had to start going in there and you know,
• 1:03:55
  hearting all the all the posts for the prayers and stuff about. You
• 1:03:59
  know, it's it's hard, guys that you know, to tell you it's
• 1:04:04
  overwhelming. I was talking to JT yesterday, I'm like, we need to
• 1:04:10
  ramp it up because there's a lot that we haven't responded to. We normally
• 1:04:15
  I like to go and do that too, but the response has just been
• 1:04:18
  overwhelming, just overwhelming. I mean, and you've seen, you know,
• 1:04:26
  people commenting all the time. You know, I don't know Chase, I've
• 1:04:29
  never met him. I don't know y'all, but you know, this just
• 1:04:31
  really, you know, touches me. And you know, I'm so sorry
• 1:04:34
  you're going through this. And like I said, I've gone in a time
• 1:04:41
  or two and just made a pose, you know, for everybody's responding or
• 1:04:45
  you know, with an emoji or what have you. I said, if
• 1:04:49
  you're so inclined and this, you know, this situation moves you scroll over
• 1:04:56
  to the right just a little bit and hit that share button, you know,
• 1:05:00
  get out there on your feed and you know, try to spread it
• 1:05:03
  even wider than it has. And I know Kenneth Mungle, which I think
• 1:05:13
  you saw his post Terry, he was friends with Chase before I was friends
• 1:05:20
  with Kenny, and I didn't find that out until just recently. Just the
• 1:05:26
  other day, I was talking to Kenny, but like I said, they
• 1:05:31
  were basically Facebook friends and they were chatting back and forth. I had no
• 1:05:38
  idea whenever I met Kenny. It was to another mutual friend that Kenny and
• 1:05:42
  I had, and he you know, offered up the ten kde of and
• 1:05:51
  just you know, blew my mind. I mean, like I said,
• 1:05:57
  everybody that met him loved him, pure and simple. Like I said,
• 1:06:02
  he was definitely the feeling that I'm getting. Sorry, it didn't mean to
• 1:06:08
  cut you off, No, no, it's fine. He uh. He
• 1:06:13
  just had an infectious personality that you know that people gravitated towards him. And
• 1:06:19
  to hear those thugs saying, oh, you know, we weren't that close
• 1:06:25
  and you know this, that and the other, I just well, don't
• 1:06:29
  go there yet. We're not ready for that. We're going to get into
• 1:06:33
  the little poss and that's what I have named them, ass hat and pos
• 1:06:39
  stuff. Absolutely, I'm not going to tell you which ones which, but
• 1:06:44
  I'll let j t ask go on and keep going. But I'm going to
• 1:06:47
  just say I've given them names. Well, and I'm i'm I am interested
• 1:06:54
  in this, and and W brought it up in terms of what at this
• 1:07:00
  point it sounds like what the police didn't do. But my question in terms
• 1:07:04
  of like fingerprints and things. But you know, when they were informed and
• 1:07:10
  maybe in the subsequent like weeks, what did they do, you know,
• 1:07:15
  to find to try and find Chase. Well, we gave them the name,
• 1:07:20
  just like we did Terry, and I believe they went around and said
• 1:07:25
  they were talking to a few people. I mean Craig was more talking to
• 1:07:29
  them than than myself. I mean Craig was relaying that information to me.
• 1:07:32
  So I guess I should let Craig really take over on that. As far
• 1:07:35
  as what all they did, I would like to know that, as I
• 1:07:40
  would like to know that as well. To be quite honest, Well,
• 1:07:44
  let me tell yah. Every time we had a meeting with them, we
• 1:07:48
  would ask questions. They said, well, it's an ongoing investigation and we
• 1:07:54
  can't disclose that, then why are we here? And that was their pat,
• 1:08:00
  standard pat response every time we asked a question. All right, guys,
• 1:08:05
  I think she's laughing at my I got something in my eye. Well
• 1:08:11
  I can spot. Yeah, seventy nine pages is not enough documentation in my
• 1:08:20
  book for somebody who's been missing six years. And I won't get on my
• 1:08:25
  soapbox about that yet, but it's coming. I'll let chat keep asking questions
• 1:08:30
  before I bring out my soapbox, and I'll try to keep my fingers in
• 1:08:34
  check because Harris Counties needs to step up their game. Well, I was
• 1:08:41
  very patient with him for a very very, very long time, and finally
• 1:08:47
  I say, this is BS, I've had enough and email the sheriff,
• 1:08:55
  you know, and I was like, we need an something. What are
• 1:09:00
  y'all doing? What's what's happening? You know? This, that and the
• 1:09:03
  other. And like I said, they have undeniably hard job. I get
• 1:09:12
  that. That's why I was patient for so long. They have a huge
• 1:09:15
  area to cover. They've got literally thousands of missing people from this in this
• 1:09:20
  area that they have to cover, and you know, it's a daunting task.
• 1:09:26
  I get it, but be honest and say that. That's my whole
• 1:09:30
  thing. Just be honest, Well, give us something like every time Debbie
• 1:09:36
  and I ask a question, well, it's not ongoing to investigation, we
• 1:09:41
  can't disclose that. And that was all they were given us. They weren't
• 1:09:45
  telling us who they were talking to or you know, anything, and it
• 1:09:50
  just got to be a point of being ridiculous. So yeah, like I
• 1:09:56
  said, and that's one of the things like I would be. I would
• 1:10:00
  obviously be a terrible a terrible detective because if somebody, if you hell,
• 1:10:06
  had called me, I would be much along the lines of here's what we're
• 1:10:11
  doing so far, this is kind of who we might have been talking to.
• 1:10:15
  And I would probably get apparently get in trouble because the stock answer of
• 1:10:21
  this is an ongoing investigation just doesn't work for me because it doesn't tell you
• 1:10:26
  anything. It doesn't tell you what they're doing. Even if they were like,
• 1:10:30
  yes, we've done we've done these things, we spent this much time
• 1:10:32
  talking to these people or looking into that's something like don't just give that answer
• 1:10:39
  that we all hear on Netflix, which is like this is ongoing, we
• 1:10:42
  can't tell you. I'm like, what do you mean you can't tell them
• 1:10:45
  that's the family. So I'm the principal. I'm one of the principles here.
• 1:10:48
  You know, you can tell me, tell me something right now.
• 1:10:54
  And I get that they don't want to jeopardize a case and potentially having to
• 1:11:00
  go to court if something happens. But just like I'll be honest. I
• 1:11:05
  was interviewing someone yesterday this case and that person said, so, who else
• 1:11:10
  have you talked to? Well, here was my response. I've talked to
• 1:11:14
  several of his family members. I've talked to a couple of male friends,
• 1:11:19
  a couple of female friends, some ex'es, some coworkers, and I found
• 1:11:25
  out a lot of great information. The police could do the same damn thing.
• 1:11:29
  Excuse my French, but they don't have to compromise a case. But
• 1:11:33
  they can still tell you. I've talked to four people in this category.
• 1:11:36
  Two people in this category trying to talk to this person. They won't respond.
• 1:11:42
  And that's the part that just gets my goat. You don't need to
• 1:11:47
  give a patent answer. It's an ongoing investigation. We don't want to jeopardize
• 1:11:51
  the case. You can give information without giving critical details. Absolutely. One
• 1:11:58
  of the struggles I've had in this case, is there's been information that we've
• 1:12:03
  had come in on tip lines and things that I can't immediately share or that
• 1:12:10
  we need to look into to see if it's a rumor or if it's a
• 1:12:13
  fact. But that doesn't mean I tell you guys nothing. You know,
• 1:12:19
  I you know, I just don't get why they do that. And one
• 1:12:25
  day I hope to get those questions answered, because they're on a list of
• 1:12:30
  questions I'm going to ask some day if I ever get the chance. But
• 1:12:34
  I'm just floored now. I do want to ask because we kind of excuse
• 1:12:42
  me, just one second, I saw that comment pop up from Melissa.
• 1:12:46
  Melissa, they have true crime in wine time has been heaven sent. To
• 1:12:53
  put it mildly, they are awesome. They you You have no idea what
• 1:13:00
  a blessing they've been to us. Trust me. Okay now I'm sorry,
• 1:13:03
  Go ahead, Terry. I'm just gonna say, you know, I'm not
• 1:13:09
  I've never had the words heaven sent used with me before because I'm usually the
• 1:13:13
  one that pisses people off and stirves the pot and more like the devil in
• 1:13:16
  the crown. So being heaven sent, I will take that. That is
• 1:13:21
  two comments I've had in the last week. Last weekend I got called arm
• 1:13:27
  candy for h H and now being heaven sent, I'm like, my mama
• 1:13:31
  is proud this week. I'm like, dang, this has been a good
• 1:13:40
  or that's what I want to know. Hey, I'm a Reese's peanut butter
• 1:13:45
  cut. Stop it now, you're making me blush terry. So I know
• 1:13:53
  we've kind of beat around the bush a little bit, but I want to
• 1:13:58
  ask. I'll ask you, Debbie, because I think you're the one who
• 1:14:00
  got the phone call first from your daughter. What was your reaction when you
• 1:14:05
  found out about what was found in Chase's apartment and what was found in his
• 1:14:13
  apartment? Well, and she, I mean when she called me, and
• 1:14:15
  of course they've never been around it. And I'm not gonna I mean,
• 1:14:18
  of course I'm gonna say I've been around it when I was growing up,
• 1:14:21
  I mean not growing up, but after high school, and so I know
• 1:14:25
  what. So anyway, she just made it sound like his whole apartment was
• 1:14:29
  full of weed, you know. And I went over there and I said,
• 1:14:31
  is this all you? Because well she sent me a picture and I
• 1:14:33
  said, is that all that is there? And I said, Heather,
• 1:14:38
  he wouldn't even be arrested on the road if he had that an him.
• 1:14:41
  So it was that the bottom moss the bottom mossure and a half long two
• 1:14:47
  inches long, and she was, well, I don't know what is and
• 1:14:51
  I said, well, it's not a lot of weed, you know.
• 1:14:55
  Uh. There was one hundred dollars bill laying on the coffee table. Like
• 1:14:59
  I said, we left everything there, And one of my text messages to
• 1:15:02
  him was, hey, we've been in your apartment, so don't be alarmed.
• 1:15:06
  We tried to leave everything where it was, and we think we know
• 1:15:10
  everything that's going on, so just call us. And still I've never heard
• 1:15:15
  anything else from him whatsoever. Were you surprised, you know, were you
• 1:15:23
  surprised about the money counter in finding out that it was more? He was
• 1:15:30
  more involved than just recreational. He didn't just have a little bit of small
• 1:15:33
  pot that he was smoking. Were you shocked to find that out? I
• 1:15:39
  was? I was, because again I thought he was still doing ironwork,
• 1:15:43
  but whenever they told me no, he hadn't been working since January. But
• 1:15:46
  of course he's always told me, you know that everything that Addison had and
• 1:15:51
  this and that, and how he just you know, gloated over everything.
• 1:15:55
  Addison had this day house and range rovers and this and that, and I'm
• 1:16:00
  like, son, I said, he's doing other stuff. You know,
• 1:16:02
  he's just doing stuff. So that's not the way to do it. I
• 1:16:06
  said, you know, you need to see. So whenever I heard he
• 1:16:10
  wasn't working, which that was in July, right when this all happened,
• 1:16:14
  that he hadn't been working, I wasn't surprised that that was the route he
• 1:16:17
  took, you know, especially then we found out later that he couldn't do
• 1:16:23
  ironwork anymore. And iron work was just his passion. He loved it,
• 1:16:28
  and he's a thrill seeker, like I said, And that was just he
• 1:16:30
  was a thrill seeker. Chase did everything, and he did it one hundred
• 1:16:34
  and ten percent. He wanted to get the biggest thrill out of everything,
• 1:16:39
  and that's just who he was. Now. I'm sure y'all know this,
• 1:16:44
  but I don't remember which one of his friends was talking to about him posting
• 1:16:49
  on social media breaking the rules of not tying off because he liked the adrenaline.
• 1:16:57
  He you know, wasn't a rental and it was it was. And
• 1:17:02
  I remember I told that person I was like, he may have been an
• 1:17:05
  adrenaline junkie, but he didn't think to the next step that that might get
• 1:17:10
  you fired, it might get you in some trouble. He was, and
• 1:17:16
  not just fired, but he was basically blacklisted that you know, he was
• 1:17:20
  not going to get another iron working job in Houston area period. He was
• 1:17:25
  basically blackballd And you know, you see all these idiots, I say idiots.
• 1:17:33
  You see all the younger generation posting stuff on social media, you know,
• 1:17:39
  and so and so was arrested the day because of a video he posted
• 1:17:42
  a pulling guns out, you know, and this that, and it's like,
• 1:17:45
  why would you post that? You know, that's just beyond stupid.
• 1:17:51
  But it's yep. Absolutely, But like I said, y'all were surprised,
• 1:18:03
  without a doubt that he got that involved in it. It sounds like when
• 1:18:13
  when my daughter sent me the picture that she had taken and she says,
• 1:18:16
  don't be upset. I was like, Okay, this ain't gonna be good.
• 1:18:20
  But she sent me the picture and that's when I went. I went
• 1:18:24
  over there, and when I saw the money counter, I was like,
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  I want to say I made my peace with it, because I haven't in
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  all honesty, but I was so incredibly pissed off that this is what he
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  was doing. And he was moving apparently the large amounts of this stuff.
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  And you don't need a money counter for, you know, selling diamon bags
• 1:18:58
  and that kind of stuff. You know, he was moving pounds of it.
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  And I said, the minute I stepped from that apartment and I saw
• 1:19:11
  those things, I'm never gonna see him again playing simple. And everybody says,
• 1:19:18
  well, how are you dealing with this? You know, I said,
• 1:19:20
  probably I deal with being pissed off about it. You know, I'm
• 1:19:24
  so incredibly pissed off at him because he had come to me one time wanting
• 1:19:30
  to borrow some money because he supposedly had gotten robbed at gunpoint, and he
• 1:19:38
  owed somebody action number of dollars him and another guy, and they had to
• 1:19:46
  each come up with half of the money that you know, they were robbed
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  of. And I said, let me talk to Shelley and I'll get back
• 1:19:57
  with you. Talk to Shelley about it, and she's said, yeah,
• 1:20:00
  let's help him out. So we did, and I said, we're going
• 1:20:09
  to loan you this money to get you out of this jack pot that you're
• 1:20:12
  in right now. But I said, you will pay it back. And
• 1:20:19
  like, I said, I've been to the apartment several times and I knew
• 1:20:24
  what he had of value. I said, you're going to bring me this,
• 1:20:28
  this, and this, and when you pay us money back, you'll
• 1:20:30
  get these things back. Said he took collateral, absold a lutely absolutely.
• 1:20:39
  I said, when you get these back, I said, when you pay
• 1:20:42
  us some money back, you'll get these items back. And I said you
• 1:20:45
  miss a payment. I said it's due. I said, don't make the
• 1:20:51
  payment where it's going to put you in a bind. I don't want you
• 1:20:55
  in a bind. But whatever amount you think you can afford, that's what
• 1:21:01
  the payment's going to be. We agreed on it, and he brought me
• 1:21:05
  the things. Once he did, we gave him the money, and one
• 1:21:12
  month he paid double what he was supposed to do, and I didn't hear
• 1:21:17
  from him the next month, so I called him. I said, you
• 1:21:23
  coming over tonight for what I said, you got a payment due. He
• 1:21:29
  was like, I paid you double last month. I said, yeah,
• 1:21:31
  he did. That means you owe one month less now than what you did
• 1:21:36
  before. But I said that payment is still due for this month. Well,
• 1:21:43
  I didn't know that. I said, now you do. So am
• 1:21:46
  I going to the pine shop and getting rid of this stuff to get my
• 1:21:49
  money or you coming over with the payment? No, I'll bring you.
• 1:21:51
  I'll bring you the payment. And he did, and he didn't pay extra
• 1:21:57
  anymore after that. But you know, he did pay everything back and we
• 1:22:00
  got money back and that was the end of it. That was another reason
• 1:22:03
  why whenever we went over that I went over the apartment with Debbie. She
• 1:22:09
  said, well, you know he owes me X number of dollars and I
• 1:22:12
  said, he didn't known me anything. So whatever you can get out of
• 1:22:16
  all this stuff in his apartment, it's yours. Take it, do whatever
• 1:22:24
  you can with it. When you've just said you took collateral, because I
• 1:22:28
  knew you had done all the agreement. I know about the collateral. Sitting
• 1:22:30
  here thinking god, HH is watching this and moderating and he's going, damn,
• 1:22:38
  why won't my wife do that? Because Debbie, I don't know about
• 1:22:41
  you, but my mama's boy, I mean, I'm a little softy,
• 1:22:45
  okay, and my youngest we'll just say he owes us a lot of money
• 1:22:53
  and never again we'll be loan him money. But I never thought about collateral
• 1:22:57
  Debbie, and I'm thinking you didn't either. I think it's just a mom's
• 1:23:00
  in us, right. Yeah, when he said he did something, and
• 1:23:03
  I would always sit there and help him out. And finally one day he
• 1:23:05
  was I was like, son, start saving money. He goes, well,
• 1:23:09
  won't you just let me learn on my own? And that's you know
• 1:23:12
  what, That's all you had to say. Now you're on your own.
• 1:23:15
  And that I got a little guilt on me because whenever he would usually be
• 1:23:17
  between jobs is when he would ask me for money. And so of course,
• 1:23:21
  hearing that he lost that job, of course, it makes me wonder
• 1:23:25
  had I not said that to him, would he have came to me and
• 1:23:28
  asked me for money and not done done this step? But I know it
• 1:23:33
  wasn't a decision I made. So it was a decision he made, and
• 1:23:39
  he as a mom, I mean, he made decisions because yes, he
• 1:23:43
  could have asked you for a short term thing. He was thinking long term
• 1:23:47
  and he was seeing the lifestyle that asked Hat was living, and ass Hat
• 1:23:54
  sold him a bill of goods. Let's just be honest. He did absolutely
• 1:23:58
  and so you could helped him out in a short term, so please do
• 1:24:02
  not feel bad because he still probably would have done it because of of that.
• 1:24:10
  Oh, thank you Stephanie. Oh, I was a good friend of
• 1:24:16
  his, and she's I'm a Facebook friend of hers now and uh so she's
• 1:24:21
  always sending me hearts and saying she's praying for us. Just a sweetheart.
• 1:24:29
  Yeah, JT. You want to ask the next questions before I get into
• 1:24:33
  ass hat and pos? Sure, m hmm. This is always. I
• 1:24:45
  say, this is always as if I've asked this before, but I really
• 1:24:48
  haven't, so forgiven me and maybe I will. We'll ask one at a
• 1:24:53
  time. Debbie, the this is harder than I thought it was. Sorry,
• 1:25:01
  Terry, just blurt out. I'm gonna blurt it out. Do you
• 1:25:12
  do you believe that Chase is alive? I do, I honestly do.
• 1:25:17
  I just think he's staying away for his own for his own safety maybe,
• 1:25:24
  And I just don't have that gut riching feeling because everybody, the investigator was
• 1:25:28
  the first thing they asked me is his mom? How do you feel in
• 1:25:30
  your gut? I said, y'all, I just I guess it's a lack
• 1:25:34
  of talking to him was the part that got me stirred up about everything,
• 1:25:38
  but I never had that gut wrenching feeling in my stomach and I still don't,
• 1:25:44
  but of course never Now that the stuff that came up with Matt's grandparents
• 1:25:48
  and all of that stuff, that's starting to worry me and scare me thinking
• 1:25:55
  that maybe something has happened. But until I have a body, I've just
• 1:26:00
  refused to believe it. I want to keep thinking positive until somebody can give
• 1:26:06
  me remains. This is just what I am about to live the rest of
• 1:26:12
  my life like this. This is what I'm going to do. Yeah,
• 1:26:17
  and obviously this is not you know, I don't really know, and this
• 1:26:20
  is not to pin both of you against each other, but I figured i'd
• 1:26:24
  ask one or the well. Well, she and I have had this conversation
• 1:26:30
  on more than one occasion, and she's like, how can you think like
• 1:26:33
  that? And my response to her is, how can you not? You
• 1:26:39
  know, you were pretty much in constant contact with him, I'll say,
• 1:26:43
  and you know, he'd come over periodically and visit to kids, and I
• 1:26:48
  go to his apartment periodically and you know, visit with him. But he
• 1:26:56
  always kept in touch with some member of the family. At some point in
• 1:27:00
  time and to go six and a half years, that's not him. Like
• 1:27:04
  I said, the person that he turned into is not the son that I
• 1:27:15
  know or the son that I raised. And like I said, I don't
• 1:27:18
  know that person. He's changed. He's got into this stuff. He knew
• 1:27:25
  how much I was against it, and in my in my gut. Yeah,
• 1:27:35
  like I said, I stand by the comment I made when I walked
• 1:27:38
  in that apartment. You know, I was never going to see him again.
• 1:27:45
  From the investigators that did talk to us and you know, told us
• 1:27:48
  two bits of information. It was a big time operation and he got in
• 1:27:55
  over his head and he was stepping on somebody's in another area or something,
• 1:28:02
  and somebody took him out. Now, and I know I've said this to
• 1:28:09
  you guys. One we've talked before. You said that Chase wasn't the same
• 1:28:16
  person. Everybody I have talked to Chase was They said he was still the
• 1:28:24
  same guy. He was just making some really bad decisions. And the people
• 1:28:30
  that I've talked to, you know, we've talked about the one way that
• 1:28:34
  he would make the active decision to go missing would be to protect you guys,
• 1:28:44
  and that would be a reason for him to do it because he loved
• 1:28:48
  you guys that much. So I think when we say he changed and he
• 1:28:53
  became somebody we didn't know everybody, you know, his friends that I've talked
• 1:28:58
  to, there like he was still the same guy. He was just making
• 1:29:01
  some really stupid decisions. And one person said to me last week, and
• 1:29:10
  he felt guilty for the stupid decisions he was making. And they do think
• 1:29:15
  it was bothering him and me maybe it's because I'm a softy mom that tells
• 1:29:25
  me he still had conscious about it, and he wasn't maybe happy with himself
• 1:29:30
  or some of those decisions he was making. And I think he was sold
• 1:29:33
  that it was going to be easier and safer than it was, and I
• 1:29:36
  think he found out by getting robbed and other things that it wasn't quite as
• 1:29:45
  glamorous and as easy as it looked. Right. And I do want to
• 1:29:54
  say, we're going to go ahead and talk about Matt, because I got
• 1:29:58
  no loyalty, mister Pos because that is your nickname, Matt Brewer, It's
• 1:30:02
  pos and Addison your ass hat. So it goes together. And like you
• 1:30:10
  said, the thing not saying they're involved, not saying they did anything.
• 1:30:15
  I think they know something. The thing that pisces me off about both of
• 1:30:20
  them is that they were good friends. And I've read those police reports and
• 1:30:27
  both of them little ms lied and said, oh, he wasn't that good
• 1:30:31
  of a friend to me. And I want to look at Asshat and say,
• 1:30:34
  well, then why in the hell was he in your wedding party,
• 1:30:36
  sir, if he wasn't that good of a friend. And Mattathew was exactly
• 1:30:45
  And I want to tell Matt same damn things, sir, you said and
• 1:30:48
  talk to him in days. Bullshit. You were with him the week and
• 1:30:51
  he went missing. Your phone proves it. So that's the problem I have
• 1:30:56
  with them. And the problem I have is they won't talk to us.
• 1:31:00
  And they say, oh, well we talk to the police. Yeah,
• 1:31:01
  and you lied to them. Read the reports you lied and they know you
• 1:31:05
  lied, guys, and it's in the reports. They know you lied.
• 1:31:10
  So throwing it out there, it might want to come clean. So I
• 1:31:15
  know JT's going to ask some more questions. But I just wanted to put
• 1:31:17
  that out there. We know they lied. They said they were friends,
• 1:31:21
  but then they which we all do. If you are getting cornered, are
• 1:31:27
  you're asked questions and you're guilty. What do you do. It's called the
• 1:31:30
  crawfish crawl. You start backing a way, Oh I didn't know him that
• 1:31:34
  well, no, not that, not that well. Well you can't do
• 1:31:39
  that and say you're this guy's best friend and then do nothing, because that's
• 1:31:44
  not a friend. And to me, it says they were never friends,
• 1:31:48
  you know, And my thing is is them saying that, and I know
• 1:31:53
  that they were best good friends of his. If you don't want to say
• 1:31:57
  anything, just call the tip line and tell us where his body is if
• 1:32:00
  he is gone. That's all I ask. That's all you gotta do.
• 1:32:03
  I said, exactly, all of this will. All we want is chase
• 1:32:08
  it one way or another, either live or bring us, bring him back
• 1:32:12
  to us. And they can, I mean, as y'all know, we've
• 1:32:16
  had people call the tip line anonymously and say, you know, stop looking,
• 1:32:21
  stop getting involved in this, and that number can't be tracked because they're
• 1:32:27
  burner phones. So we know these two people have boner burner phones. They
• 1:32:32
  admitted they had burner phones. So use one of them, make a call
• 1:32:41
  and then get rid of it, you know, go get a different phone,
• 1:32:45
  get a different phone. So JT, I'll stop interrupting and let you
• 1:32:49
  ask some more questions because I know we've been at this a while and we
• 1:32:53
  do want to start wrapping up here in a little bit, So JT,
• 1:32:58
  I will let you. Yeah. I mean I think, I think what
• 1:33:05
  and I think yeah. Whenever I see somebody ask this question of anyone,
• 1:33:11
  it seems to catch him a little off guard. I have a feeling that
• 1:33:13
  you all will have plenty to say in terms of this, but I mean,
• 1:33:16
  we want to make sure that we give you kind of the floor,
• 1:33:19
  you know, to tell Chase or anyone who knows anything whatever you wish to.
• 1:33:26
  So really kind of to start, what would you like to say to
• 1:33:31
  those that either caused Chase's disappearance or anyone who knows about it who's yet to
• 1:33:39
  come forward. Craig, you want to go first? You want me to?
• 1:33:46
  Debbie? Why don't we let you go first? I'm gonna say,
• 1:33:48
  Mom goes first, go ahead. I know he was making bad decisions.
• 1:33:56
  That nobody does it give you a right to take somebody's child. And I'm
• 1:34:00
  sure by now you've got a child, and I hope and pray that no
• 1:34:04
  what does this to your child? Because you get to live the pain that
• 1:34:10
  we're living, and we may live for the rest of our life. You
• 1:34:14
  can bring us closure. You truly could not believe in karma. I'm a
• 1:34:19
  firm believer of karma. And your day is coming. Your day is coming.
• 1:34:29
  Yeah, And they both have children. I think Debbie summed it up
• 1:34:36
  best. You know, I've said in numerous, numerous times, I wouldn't
• 1:34:42
  wish this nightmare on anybody, but the people that know what happened to him
• 1:34:48
  and it's not is not coming forward with any information and prolonging this agony for
• 1:34:57
  us. I'm not gonna be as forgiving as Chase's mother, but I don't
• 1:35:11
  wish this on you. But like she said, karma comes back, and
• 1:35:16
  I can't wait for that day. And you got to remember there's good karma
• 1:35:23
  and bad karma. And by stepping up and doing the right thing, just
• 1:35:27
  imagine what kind of role model you are for your child to say, you
• 1:35:32
  know what, I did some stupid stuff. I made some bad decisions,
• 1:35:36
  and I kept a lot of secrets, but you know what, I made
• 1:35:40
  the decision. I didn't want to be that person anymore. I wanted to
• 1:35:43
  do the right thing and tell and you know what. I know, we're
• 1:35:48
  not here to judge anybody, but all of them are gonna face their judgment
• 1:35:51
  day. They're gonna face it one day, yep. And their children,
• 1:36:00
  unfortunately, however this comes out or comes out in the wash, if their
• 1:36:06
  parents don't step up and do the right thing, and they do the hard
• 1:36:12
  way, it's going to be even worse for their kids, because their kids
• 1:36:15
  are going to have to live with it. I try to always put myself
• 1:36:17
  in the other person's shoes, and I think if my parent made a bad
• 1:36:20
  decision and new information and they were too scared to tell, and then it
• 1:36:27
  come out later that they hit it, that makes them obstructing justice, and
• 1:36:30
  that makes them an accomplice. You know, if they don't tell, I
• 1:36:35
  would much more respect my parent who stepped up and said, you know what,
• 1:36:41
  I need to be a better person, I need to do the right
• 1:36:43
  thing. I would still go visit my father in jail. I would still
• 1:36:46
  want our life. But if the cops have to come knock on your door
• 1:36:49
  and you didn't, I'm probably not going to come visit you. But I
• 1:36:55
  do have to say that I think the fact that you don't wish this to
• 1:37:00
  happen to them. You do want karma to happen. Says a lot about
• 1:37:04
  what kind of people you are, because a lot of other people would say
• 1:37:09
  an eye for an eye, And I do respect that you don't want anyone
• 1:37:15
  to feel the pain that you guys are living with every day, not at
• 1:37:18
  all. And that was that was a hard hitting question to kind of wrap
• 1:37:29
  it up. And because truly, you know, I don't want to speak
• 1:37:34
  for Terry, but I think I'm safe in speaking for Terry. We we
• 1:37:39
  we want answers and we want a conclusion to this, just you know,
• 1:37:43
  so what can what can everybody who's watching right now do to help? What?
• 1:37:51
  What? What can we do? What can we do for you to
• 1:37:54
  support you and to help in in in everything? Hit the share button on
• 1:38:01
  whatever post, video or whatever that they see about this case, Please hit
• 1:38:08
  the share button. I'd say the prayers, keep the prayers coming. I
• 1:38:15
  mean, you always got to keep that coming and just keep asking people.
• 1:38:19
  I mean, there's going to be people when you're talking about it, going
• 1:38:21
  to say hey, I heard about it, you know, when you're physically
• 1:38:27
  talking. Because some people aren't going to put things on Facebook or on anything.
• 1:38:31
  They're going to sit there and just ask ask people questions. Hey,
• 1:38:35
  you know I've heard about this. They're going go, hey, yeah,
• 1:38:38
  I heard somebody at this party talking about it, and hey, well who
• 1:38:42
  are they? I mean, maybe I can get with them. And it's
• 1:38:45
  just about asking, just asking, And like Craig has said, so many
• 1:38:48
  people want to sit there and think about not saying anything to us, and
• 1:38:53
  talking about it makes us feel like you're at least keeping for me that he
• 1:38:58
  still exists and he's still there and and you I mean, I can sit
• 1:39:02
  here and talk all day about stories about him, but if you want to
• 1:39:05
  start talking to me about his passing or you think he's dead, or I'll
• 1:39:12
  just close up because it's not what I want to believe. So that's just
• 1:39:15
  me. I got to have hope. I gotta have. The only way
• 1:39:17
  I'm existing is staying positive. I just have to till till somebody gives me
• 1:39:23
  something. Then I will properly grieve, which I get upset all the time,
• 1:39:27
  without a doubt. I get upset because I want to start thinking to
• 1:39:30
  the dark side and I'm just like, no, no, no, no,
• 1:39:33
  I'm not going there. And the other thing I want to say on
• 1:39:39
  that tip line. I told somebody this today on a Facebook post. I
• 1:39:43
  reached out to him because they said they had heard rumors. Haul us with
• 1:39:46
  the rumors. I get that they're rumors, but we are finding out there
• 1:39:53
  are some facts in some of these rumors. So and if you want to
• 1:39:58
  do it anonymous, you can tell and you can hide your number Star sixty
• 1:40:03
  seven if you don't want your number to come across. Tell us the rumors.
• 1:40:08
  You can email me Tarry at True Crime and Wine Time, or you
• 1:40:12
  can email JT at JT at True Crime and Wine Time. Tell us the
• 1:40:16
  rumors. Let our team go and do that research and prove that it's just
• 1:40:19
  a BS rumor, because you know what, guys, when there's smoke,
• 1:40:25
  sometimes there is fire. It's not a smoke machine. It's not a smoke
• 1:40:30
  machine. Don't think that you're gonna waste our time by going look at rumors,
• 1:40:35
  because you know what, what if it's not a rumor? What if
• 1:40:40
  that small eaty bitty chance it's factual or it leads to the next thing.
• 1:40:46
  So when I tell people nothing is too small, I seriously mean it.
• 1:40:53
  You're not gonna waste any of our time. I would rather spend our time
• 1:40:57
  researching rumors than sitting here beating our head against the wall trying to get the
• 1:41:01
  cops to do something. I mean, is there anything else you guys would
• 1:41:09
  like to say before we wrap up? Just we can't thank y'all enough for
• 1:41:14
  Like you said, y'all are a blessing. This has been a really emotional
• 1:41:19
  time last two to three months because of everything y'all are bringing out. But
• 1:41:24
  we know it needs to be brought I know it needs to be brought out.
• 1:41:27
  So I just cannot thank y'all enough. Cannot I'll be honest, and
• 1:41:34
  I probably I know I speak for J two too. We are just blessed
• 1:41:40
  that we're able to do this and that we're having success because we really didn't
• 1:41:45
  think we would get things moving this fast. We really didn't, And it's
• 1:41:51
  because of all of the people on the pages sharing it. It's truly not
• 1:41:57
  us. It's everybody that is hitting that share, budding, commenting, sending
• 1:42:00
  us messages. Hey, I don't know, Chase, but I heard this
• 1:42:05
  that that's why we're having so much happen so fast is because people are doing
• 1:42:12
  that. I wish we could take all the credit, but we can.
• 1:42:14
  It's because people are saying. You know, I'm gonna go ahead and tell
• 1:42:17
  this, Well, y'all gave a shit enough to take on this case.
• 1:42:25
  And like I said, it's I've been just amazed at like I said,
• 1:42:35
  all the comments and all the prayers, all the likes, all the loves,
• 1:42:40
  all the shares, the caring. Like I said, we need closure,
• 1:42:49
  playing simple, good, bad, whatever the situation is, we just
• 1:42:55
  need closure. And I said, I think that's what people need to know.
• 1:43:02
  Y'all just want answers, Right, you want to know where he is.
• 1:43:05
  You can worry about the other stuff later, right. You just want
• 1:43:09
  to not go to bed every night not knowing. Right, Yep, that's
• 1:43:15
  true, so true. Like I've made several posts, somebody somewhere knows something
• 1:43:27
  and we just need to find that person that it's tired of the guilt,
• 1:43:35
  tired of the lying, the secret they're hiding. And like I said the
• 1:43:43
  other day on a post, you know, it's like a cancer that's just
• 1:43:45
  eating at you constantly. You know, come clean with the truth. Let
• 1:43:51
  us know what happened to him, where it happened. Possibly search the area
• 1:43:56
  and find some remains so that we can putting to rest. And you know,
• 1:44:05
  Once you get that off your conscience, food's gonna taste better, your
• 1:44:12
  sleep's gonna be more RESTful, your tea's gonna be sweeter, and it's all
• 1:44:16
  possible. Just let us know what happened to our son where he's at,
• 1:44:21
  so that you know we can have closure and peace, and in turn you
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  can have peace, and we'll need to have the remains tested. We'll make
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  sure and confirm it is him. Oh. Absolutely, don't hope somebody can
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  just throw us a bag of bones and because we will get them tested.
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  Absolutely. I can't think of overall a better way to end all of this
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  with with with that, and so what I want to do is, you
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  know, to kind of close out. I want to to Terry, if
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  you're okay with it, just toss in that video you that was put together,
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  that we put together and then hop right on into the outro and then
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  call it a night. What do you think sounds great? Do you have
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  that video? Because I don't have access I do, it's right here,
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  I can hit it. I I truly and everybody I feel comfortable in speaking
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  for every single person who's tuned in. Thank you so much for joining us
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  tonight. I hope that this brings more, as as as Craig and and
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  Debbie have said, share this because the more you should you have no idea,
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  the the the the tree of how far this can go. If if
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  just ten people share, that's an exponential amount of attention. So use social
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  media for good. We've seen the bad. Use it for good and and
• 1:45:58
  share this and everything joined the group online and share that as well. There's
• 1:46:04
  a lot to be done. I'm gonna leave the number up on the screen
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  as we play those two videos and we'll call it, uh well, call
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  it a night for tonight. However, the investigation continues on. So you're
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  saying this is an ongoing investigation. Is that what I'm hearing? Terry still
• 1:46:25
  got a lot of people to piss off, Terry answers. That's the difference.
• 1:46:30
  Terry still got a lot of people she needs to piss off. So
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  there's one thing that anybody can I got a big mouth and I know how
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  to use it, whether you like it or not. And I think everybody
• 1:46:47
  needs to realize that telling me to stop ain't gonna do anything but make me
• 1:46:53
  do it harder, and not getting answers is just going to make me try
• 1:46:58
  that much harder. It may make us another six years, but I can
• 1:47:01
  tell you, unless I drop dead tomorrow, I'm not going anywhere. But
• 1:47:05
  I am comfortable knowing the True Crime and One Time team and everybody watching this
• 1:47:11
  and who sees this, somebody is gonna keep it going because if not,
• 1:47:16
  I will come back and haunt them. And you don't want me coming in
• 1:47:19
  your bedroom at not haunting you just gonna leave it there, hit the videos.
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  So okay, all right, Well, thanks everybody for joining us tonight.
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  Thank you both for joining us tonight and Harry. Yeah, of course,
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  as I like to say, and especially it means more tonight than ever,
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  stay safe, watch out for crime, and I'm gonna say I'm gonna
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  add watch out for people that you think are your friends. Make sure they're
• 1:48:00
  all your friends. And definitely enjoy your wine time because after tonight we all
• 1:48:06
  deserve a couple of classes. And don't forget to take care of yourself.
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  Yes, please take care of yourself, your friends, your family, don't
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  forget to smile and dog on it. Shine on you crazy diamonds. We
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  will see you next time, and thank you for watching this upcoming video and
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  the closing see you do a