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Star Wars The High Republic Into The Light Review Episode CCXXXI · Star Wars Alliance

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  Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always. Hello, everyone, Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to another episode of Star Wars Alliance, your home
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  Speaker 1: on the Geek Ultimate Alliance podcast network for any and
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  Speaker 1: all things Star Wars. I'm your host as always, Kat
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  Speaker 1: and joining me for our legendary I shouldn't say legendary
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  Speaker 1: because this is a Cannon book review, but I just
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  Speaker 1: wanted to say legendary. It's Clay, Clay, how are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: You know? I will accept legendary because this is the last,
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  Speaker 2: to our knowledge, young adult novel of the High Republic.
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  Speaker 2: This entire series has been legendary. This has been a
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  Speaker 2: great series. It really makes me sad to think that,
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  Speaker 2: like there's a possibility of not getting anything, and again
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  Speaker 2: we're we're always like, oh, but maybe it's not like oh,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we'll see something more like oh, Michael keeps saying
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  Speaker 2: things on the interwebs like what's going to happen? But
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  Speaker 2: it's it's guys. I don't know if it was for
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  Speaker 2: the fact that I was just super excited to get
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  Speaker 2: this book. I bought this book three times on ironically
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  Speaker 2: because I was like, Hey, so here's how everything went down, guys.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, hey, you know what I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 2: f you to the man, to the big billionaires out there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna cancel my Amazon. I'm not gonna order Amazon anymore,
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  Speaker 2: and I am gonna order from my local bookshop. I
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  Speaker 2: had no idea where that bookshop was, so I went
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  Speaker 2: to bookshop and pre ordered it because I knew if
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  Speaker 2: I connected it to my local shop, it would they
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  Speaker 2: would get the proceeds from that order. And then I
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  Speaker 2: did a quick Google search because you know, why didn't
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  Speaker 2: I do that in the first place, and realized, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I can literally walk to the bookstore. It is literally
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  Speaker 2: that close. And so I went there one weekend and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, hey, I made a boo boo. I
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  Speaker 2: pre ordered this book thinking that you guys were like
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  Speaker 2: downtown and I didn't realize that you're like right next
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  Speaker 2: door to me. So can I cancel my pre order
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  Speaker 2: and then pre order it here? And they're like, yeah, sure,
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  Speaker 2: that's not a problem, and I was like cool, I
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  Speaker 2: canceled my pre order and I pre ordered my book
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  Speaker 2: at this bookshop. And I told Katie this. And I
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  Speaker 2: told Katie as I was looking at the website because
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  Speaker 2: dummy me, I was like, oh, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be able to like cancel my order
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  Speaker 2: because it doesn't say and canceled orders. Oh, but it
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  Speaker 2: actually says here that I can cancel pre orders as
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  Speaker 2: long as they don't ship, and I'll be good. And
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  Speaker 2: then I said something along the lines of like, I
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  Speaker 2: can't remember if I actually, like you said, you.
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  Speaker 1: Were trying to figure out. This was when you were
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out if you could just have them
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  Speaker 1: hold your shipping shipped order and so you could go
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  Speaker 1: pick it up. And you were like, oh, but they're
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  Speaker 1: closed on Tuesdays. That's why I have to go tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: to go, or you said, so I have to go
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday because this was like a Monday or sometimes yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it didn't dawn on me. Stame on this bookstore,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, it didn't dawn on me that books globally,
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  Speaker 2: not just in America, globally released on Tuesdays.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And I know this because I'm in the freaking publishing
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  Speaker 2: world now with comics, and there is publishers that come
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  Speaker 2: to us and they're like, hey, you know, we want
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  Speaker 2: to do this on a Tuesday to hit the direct market.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, sorry, we run off of the comic market.
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  Speaker 2: All of our releases are on Wednesdays. Sorry, that's just
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  Speaker 2: how it's going to be. So I knew this. I
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  Speaker 2: knew that this book was going to come out on
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  Speaker 2: a Tuesday, and I just nonchalantley told Katie that this
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  Speaker 2: bookstore was going to be closed on a Tuesday. Come
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  Speaker 2: the release day, I drive all the way to the
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  Speaker 2: bookstore and they're closed. I knew this, my subconscious knew this,
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  Speaker 2: but I was somehow surprised, and I told Katie, damn it,
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  Speaker 2: they're closed today, Son of a bitch. What am I
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do? Like, you know what? You know what? Here?
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  Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on. We read digital books all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna grab this book digitally. I'm gonna I was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to do Kindle. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: do Amazon because again I don't want to give billionaires
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  Speaker 2: more money. And again I understand. So I bought it
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  Speaker 2: from Apple. I went to Apple, the other billion dollar company.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know, but I also feel
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  Speaker 2: like it would have been cheaper than ten dollars. I
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  Speaker 2: still don't know how much Into the Light is on Kindle.
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  Speaker 1: Currently, it was nine dollars because I paid for it.
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  Speaker 2: Damn you, bezos. I spent the ten dollars on Apple Books.
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  Speaker 1: I also had three dollar credits. I actually only paid
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  Speaker 1: like six dollars. I'm sorry I paid. I'm a new mom.
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  Speaker 1: I need convenience.
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  Speaker 2: I totally, I totally get it. I get it. But
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  Speaker 2: I bought this book a total of three times, and
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  Speaker 2: I have all three copies here in my house, my
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  Speaker 2: phone and both physical. So again I will reiterate. If
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  Speaker 2: the Light? What did you like about it? What did
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  Speaker 2: you hate about it? If you did, what are your
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  Speaker 2: thoughts on phase three so far? Any and all let
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  Speaker 1: So you want to know why I said legendary I
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  Speaker 1: have a hot take. Uh oh, well, okay, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it's a hot take because I have not
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  Speaker 1: been on social media ad ont whatsoever, like all the
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  Speaker 1: cinema con stuff Like I'm getting it like four or
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  Speaker 1: five hours late, and so I don't know if this
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  Speaker 1: is a hot take. But I'm gonna say Claudia Gray
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  Speaker 1: And I know I should preface this by saying, I
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  Speaker 1: know you have no experience with Claudia Grat as an
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  Speaker 1: author outside of the Higher Republic.
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  Speaker 2: Correct. I have not read any of her other Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars stuff outside of the Higher Republic. Correct.
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  Speaker 1: We will fix that at some point, because her stuff
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  Speaker 1: outside of the High Republic is leaps and bounds better
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  Speaker 1: than what she's put forward in the Higher Republic. Really completely,
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  Speaker 1: And Snell might hate me for this too, But like,
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  Speaker 1: Into the Dark sucked. I love Wreath as a character,
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  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, it was.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it for me personally. Again, Into the
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  Speaker 2: Dark was my first Claudia Ray clad Claudia great book.
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  Speaker 2: I would not say that it sucked. I think that
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  Speaker 2: there was a lot of moving parts, even for a
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  Speaker 2: first young adult novel of a franchise, and.
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  Speaker 1: There always is when you get into a bigger story.
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  Speaker 1: And Claudia Gray's other works, Bloodline is a one shot.
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  Speaker 1: It interacts with the movies and the movies alone.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, hold on, hold on. I did read Master
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  Speaker 2: and Apprentice.
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  Speaker 1: You did read Master and Apprentice. Okay, right, and that's
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  Speaker 1: a decent book, it's not Bloodline. Lost Stars and Leah,
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  Speaker 1: Princess of Alderin are some of my favorites out of
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars novels in general, Lost Stars in particular, the
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  Speaker 1: Romeo and Juliet.
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  Speaker 2: Of That's right, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have read that at least that is true.
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  Speaker 1: But Fallen Star not a way to end Phase one
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  Speaker 1: of the Higher Republic in my opinion, Like it was okay,
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  Speaker 1: but after Rising Storm, Fallen Star struggled a lot.
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  Speaker 2: In my book, I think so too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And Claudia wrote a comic in phase two, right, She
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  Speaker 1: didn't write a single book in phase two, And this
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  Speaker 1: is her first piece of work in Phase three, first
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  Speaker 1: and last. And I know authors are all the time
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  Speaker 1: gonna go in other directions they want to work on
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  Speaker 1: personal material they found, Oh, this medium didn't work for me.
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  Speaker 1: Totally fine, completely understand. I don't think Claudia writes well
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  Speaker 1: as part of a team at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I think that it's a little unfair to well,
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  Speaker 2: let me backtrack. I think that anybody can struggle with
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  Speaker 2: the restraint of having to wait and or restrict oneself
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  Speaker 2: based on others when it comes to a creative medium
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  Speaker 2: like writing.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and this is really weird for me as somebody
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  Speaker 1: who has loved the Star Wars Legends books, the use
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  Speaker 1: on Vong New Jedi Order stuff like I love with
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  Speaker 1: a passion the Legacy of the four series, love it like,
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  Speaker 1: had a bunch of fun with it, and then like
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  Speaker 1: Faded the Jedi. A little weird, but it worked in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, in those I think those work a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more because the authors alternated, and so you had
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  Speaker 1: three authors work on Legacy of the Force. You had
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  Speaker 1: three authors work on Fate of the Jedi, and you
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  Speaker 1: had I don't remember, I think it's Troy Aaron, Troy Dinning,
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Austen, and Karen something in like Fate of the
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  Speaker 1: Jedi for example, those three, so it would go Troy, Aaron,
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  Speaker 1: Karen Troy, Aaron Karen, Troy Aaron Karen, and you had
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  Speaker 1: to carry over each character obviously, but like some like
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  Speaker 1: Troy's books focused a lot more on Han and Leiah,
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  Speaker 1: and Karen's books focused more on the Jedi Order as
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  Speaker 1: a whole. Troy's books focus on Luke and Pinn. So
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  Speaker 1: is like you had characters of focus, and while the
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  Speaker 1: story is still moved forward, it like you still have
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  Speaker 1: characters of focus, and it made sense, like you didn't
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  Speaker 1: have to go, oh, we have to include the Jedi Order.
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  Speaker 1: We have to include Han Leiah, we have to include
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  Speaker 1: Luke and Ben like and like this is the struggle
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  Speaker 1: of this story is that we have to include the blight. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: we have to include the drink gear. Oh, we have
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  Speaker 1: to have wreath. We have to have Afy, the vessel crew,
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  Speaker 1: like we have to have Nan, we have to have
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  Speaker 1: marchi on, we have to have Geara. We have to
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  Speaker 1: have mccampa. You know how many times I had to
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  Speaker 1: go look up who mccampbell was out here, read every
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  Speaker 1: single thing, but the Phase three comics that are like
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  Speaker 1: out right now, I mcampa felt like she came out
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  Speaker 1: of left field, with how much the main character she
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  Speaker 1: was in this book.
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  Speaker 2: She did feel a little off. And I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to say that this book was unnecessary, because I do
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  Speaker 2: think I do think that it played a because once again,
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  Speaker 2: when you look at the core idea of Star Wars, people,
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  Speaker 2: you look at the core idea of Star Wars. This
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  Speaker 2: did the one thing that it needed to. It needed
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  Speaker 2: to give the characters in the story hope. Yep, and
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  Speaker 2: I think Claudia Gray did an amazing job doing that.
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  Speaker 1: With in the last seven chapters.
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  Speaker 2: In the last seven chapters, yes, but here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: All right, y'all, we're going to hit our first ad
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  Speaker 1: break and we will be right back in three two one.
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  Speaker 2: There was a lot of back and forth, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of here and there, a lot of hey, let's kind
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  Speaker 2: of stretch this. Then we were just talking before we
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  Speaker 2: started recording how many chapters this is? This is thirty
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  Speaker 2: six chapters. I don't think it needed to be thirty
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  Speaker 2: six chapters because there was there was randomly.
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  Speaker 1: The smallest young adult book.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The one problem that I had with this is
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  Speaker 2: there was two scenes in particular that were literally written
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  Speaker 2: for almost zero reason. There was one scene with like
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  Speaker 2: a very dangerous legendary creature inside of Kashik that even
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  Speaker 2: Wookies were kind of like you know, on warn like
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  Speaker 2: they were they were always in high alert for. And
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  Speaker 2: it was this creature that Nan had seen her in
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  Speaker 2: her window of her hut. And then like this creature
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  Speaker 2: interacted with the drink gear and that was it. That
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  Speaker 2: was it, that that was nothing came of that. Like
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  Speaker 2: like CLUDIEA. Gray explained it as like this legendary creature
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  Speaker 2: that everybody should fear and all these other things and
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  Speaker 2: then boom, one interaction with a drineer. Done. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: It just it feels like they wanted to explore Kashik,
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  Speaker 1: like they're setting up like the next book that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: happen is going to be about this trouble seed or
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  Speaker 1: whatever it was. I can't remember, uh what was the
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  Speaker 1: name of it.
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  Speaker 2: It was the Uh oh I have it? It was
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  Speaker 2: uh dang it. I have the Wikipedia up too. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: that will also tell us, uh maybe maybe not.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm gonna pull it on my kendle so I
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  Speaker 1: could look.
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  Speaker 2: But did you know that this book actually Retcon's life.
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  Speaker 1: Debt because it's completely healed.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Thorn Seed thorn Seed. Yes, this book accidentally,
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  Speaker 2: because I don't think it was done on purpose. I
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  Speaker 2: would not think. But this technically retcon's a portion of
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  Speaker 2: life debt. We just spoke about this on our other
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  Speaker 2: live show the other day.
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  Speaker 1: I again, I always struggle with the word retcon. But
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  Speaker 1: would this being one hundred and thirty years or so,
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  Speaker 1: because this is one hundred and fifty years before the
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  Speaker 1: Phantom Menace? So actually like two hundred years because we're
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  Speaker 1: talking like, no, okay, so one hundred fifty years is
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  Speaker 1: the Phantom Menace, then about fifteen years to Revenge of
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  Speaker 1: the Sith, and then twenty so years, so like two
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  Speaker 1: seventy one to seventy five, yeah, almost two hundred years. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so in two hundred years something else could have happened
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  Speaker 1: to leave that spot on Kashik. Everybody just kind of said, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is the evidence of the blight, Like yeah, don't. Like.
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  Speaker 1: I actually really like the last ten ish chapters of
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  Speaker 1: this book, Like, I really think it wrapped everything up
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  Speaker 1: quite nicely. And the way the blight is healed on Kashik,
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  Speaker 1: I think has a lot of meaning for hey, like
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  Speaker 1: our efforts are always so focused on these things imagine
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  Speaker 1: what the world could do if we didn't have to
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  Speaker 1: worry about world peace, hunger, war, and like.
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  Speaker 2: And that was I think it was des that had
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  Speaker 2: said something along those lines of like he was because
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  Speaker 2: when all sudden done, and I know we're jumping around here,
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  Speaker 2: but when all said and done, they had a celebration
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  Speaker 2: and the very.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys, this is totally like off our regular review,
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  Speaker 1: but like these things bugged the crap out of Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But like deays at the very end, he was saying, like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I for a moment I did feel like,
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  Speaker 2: probably we shouldn't be celebrating. But that's the whole point
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  Speaker 2: of doing this, is that like, eventually, hopefully we don't
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  Speaker 2: have to be on alert twenty four to seven over
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  Speaker 2: these things. And like I get that, and I really
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed that. And like you said, the last ten chapters
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  Speaker 2: were really, really good. I really liked how it wrapped up.
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  Speaker 2: But going kind of back to the beginning of the
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  Speaker 2: book so that way we don't lose our listeners too
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  Speaker 2: too much. Again, you had said something already twelve chapters
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  Speaker 2: in and me not reading it for it yet you
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  Speaker 2: had said, oh, I think because you didn't know, And
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  Speaker 2: I think this really did do what you said it did,
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  Speaker 2: or that it was going to do you said in
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  Speaker 2: our last live show, you said, I think this is
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  Speaker 2: going to wrap up the story of the drink gear,
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  Speaker 2: and that it'll put a nice little bow on it
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  Speaker 2: because into the dark introduced the drink gear into the
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  Speaker 2: light should put an end to that conflict.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, and the drinker do, like, I don't do we
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  Speaker 1: want to say what heels Kashi and the drink gear,
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  Speaker 1: or do we not want to say that?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get the okay from the wookies, so I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if I.
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  Speaker 1: Should be I like that okay, So we're not going
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  Speaker 1: to tell you what heals. But the drinker do end
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  Speaker 1: up being able to step into the light through basically
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  Speaker 1: a miracle of the force at the end of it,
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  Speaker 1: and so like, it is a really powerful moment about
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  Speaker 1: how freeing up resources can really re direct those efforts.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm interested to see because we know other planets
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  Speaker 1: have been seated, Like all of the drink gear that
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  Speaker 1: ended up on Kashik were from Iram, but we know
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  Speaker 1: other plants were seated, So will they eventually make their
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  Speaker 1: way to Kashik Or is it like I'm trying to think,
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  Speaker 1: is it like kid of Mind where they all get
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  Speaker 1: affected because the great Progenitor was on Kashik so that
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  Speaker 1: those efforts could replicate outwards. Maybe we'll see something of
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  Speaker 1: the sort and Edge of Balance, because Edge of Balance
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  Speaker 1: has been the other prominent drink gear story well.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is you have to remember also even
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  Speaker 2: in a Haunted Starlight, the one that we just recorded
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  Speaker 2: our review on, there was some drink gear there that
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  Speaker 2: kind of stepped away from the Great Progenitor, So like
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  Speaker 2: there could be still dringer out there that aren't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: in that hive mine as strongly, you know, But I'm
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  Speaker 2: interested to see because I'm not saying I think that
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  Speaker 2: it would be interesting if they still had some driner
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  Speaker 2: out there into the world not be affected by what
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  Speaker 2: happened in this book. And the reason why I say
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  Speaker 2: that is because you are able to still use them.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say, let's say lucasfilm is like, hey, those like
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  Speaker 2: plant creatures that you guys used in those books, those
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  Speaker 2: are really cool. We want to use it for our
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  Speaker 2: next film. And it's because of the sequel series, and
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  Speaker 2: you're like, okay, well, thankfully we showed this one aspect
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  Speaker 2: in this audio drama that they can still be affected
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: outside of the hive mine. So let's just say they
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: were still out there.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: That's really a good point. And because we know the
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: drink you're activated, because the statues with the dark Side
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: influence were removed from the vaccine station. So what's to
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: say because the Kampa and Road we're seating planets and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, they'll stay in stasis for a
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: bit and then they'll activate and like really cause chaos.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: So what's to say, Like, if a dark Side user
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: comes into contact with another drink ear pod that's been
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: in stasis, what's to say they couldn't react as an
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: evil drinker for sure? Before we get too far into it.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: LGBTQ re reference in the influence on this book, we
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: have Vernestra, we have Amadeo in his relationship with the
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: medic is still kind of present in the first couple
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: of chapters. Reef obviously, Uh, I think it's about it, right.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I think. So, I'm trying to remember if there was
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: anything else, because I'm not remembering anything off the top.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to make sure we did
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: get that representation there. In this book, Amadeo does not
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: play as big a part as I thought he was
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: going to play in this.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I thought he may have like that. I thought he
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: was going to have a little bit more of a
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: uh moment in this book. Considering what transpired in Tears
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: of the Nameless, like we, I thought, Okay, this is
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: going to be more of like a core group of individuals,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: and yet like, yeah, they were, and I'm not going
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: to say that they weren't, but this book heavily sided
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: with u Wreith, with Appy, with Nan, which makes.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Sense because those are Claudia's characters that she built from
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the beginning, comack everything, like so it almost feels like
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: she said, yeah, like you made Amadeo for your book,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: which totally makes sense, like that George and Charles wanted
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Amadeo around. Yeah, but Claudie's like, he doesn't really benefit
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: me in this book. And to be fair, he was
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: more in use with the light research versus the drink. Hear.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Yep, so.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: You and I have not read what is it? Echoes
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: of Fear is the is the Wreath? And Amadeo and
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Comac comic by George Mann. That review is currently scheduled
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: golf for May twenty ninth. If you are interested in
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: where that one's going to end up, that one is
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: where that's currently scheduled. So I'm interested to see how
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: this plays out, because we did find out and it's
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: a spoiler for the comic, but that they do have
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the third Rod. I can't remember. It's like Rod of Seasons,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Rod of Daylight and something, but they have the third Rod.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they they mention it here in this book as well,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: and I think it's even was it Avon or or
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: one other person is like kind of questioning, He's like, oh, well,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I could get into that whole thing, but that's for
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: another time. And then he kind of just like side
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: steps it. And I feel like there was a lot
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: of that, and it's it's not it was more so
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I think Claudia's way of saying, like, Hey, all your
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: answers will be coming, just not in this book. This
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: book is for this group of characters. We're gonna end
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: this story and then we're gonna move on again.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Not a bad thing, especially after what we talked about
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: last week where the where Hanjit Starlight kind of even
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: went back into sees the Starlight to over explain it again,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: not a bad thing, it's just, especially after cheers the Nameless,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: You're like, but blight, Yeah, but blight like.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: And and that's a big thing, like one. I don't
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people really understand the scope of
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: what the Blight is threatening. The galaxy not just like
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: a planet or two, It's a galaxy and we we
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: are hit with that realization literally opening this book, there
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: is a group of Jedi Reath included, saving a planet
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: that has already been taken over by the Blight and
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: is literally crumbling. As they are trying to escape. A
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: group of Jedi are holding a building.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Falls on what the Jedi Council members like, Yeah.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: To the point, to the point, and I just want
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: to give a trigger warning. This is kind of horrifying.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Wreath goes to double check if he could find this
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Jedi master and literally only sees his body. His head
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: was completely crushed, like whoa.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: And it did get kind of more graphic than I
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: would intend for a young adult book, but maybe that's
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: just me. Is like a eh, I don't like that
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: It was kind of jarring, but I think that was
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: the whole point. The first few chapters or I guess
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: the first chapter. I can't even remember how long it was,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: this whole incident, but like it felt like it took
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: a while.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: It was a decent portion of the first twelve chapters.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: And the whole reason behind it, again is to get
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: the reader to understand the scope of what it means
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: for a planet to be eaten alive by the blight.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: We're gonna go into our second ad break and we'll
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: be right back.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: There's a moment where they when another building crashes and
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: like all of the dust just comes at them in
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: a wave. One of Reith's first thoughts is, Oh, we're
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: all gonna die because the blight particles are just going
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: to touch us without even knowing, like, and we're just
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: all going to start disintegrating.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: And so okay, just for the reference, I thought it
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: took up a good portion. Really it's only like the
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: first five chapters, okay, but still even so, still has
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of the campus stuff in it. Yeah.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Again, a lot of these books, we've already been over
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: this before. But a lot of these books will go
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: from one perspective to the other and then back again
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: to really give you the full scope of these stories.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: But like, yeah, like the the the destruction of the
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: first planet was very horrifying. It was very very traumatic,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: and they did it on purpose. If Claudia was very
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: much again like I said, trying to tell the audience, Hey,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: this is what it means. Because when we first got
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: introduced to the moon that was being eaten up, we like.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Are introduced to like this industrial like planet like almost
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: course almost with like there's buildings literally every yeah foot
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: kind of thing.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we and it was only a small scope
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: of like a small portion of people that were needing
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: to be saved, right, and they got those out of
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: the way. Oh yeah, there was you know, of course,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: uh what's his name who had to cut off his hand?
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: That was traumatic and everything else, But this was crowds
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: of people. In the first chapters of this book, how
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: are we going to save evacuate the entire wall basically,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: And when we are introduced again to Kashik being hit
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: with the blight, you then have to wonder, oh, no,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: all of the wookies, how are we going to get
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: all of the wookies off the planet, especially when even
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: in the council meeting they're like, hey, wookie, you see
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: their planet way more than just a planet that they
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: live on. It's like a religious thing and like all
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: of these other things, and like it's sacred and all
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: this other stuff. Like they're probably not gonna want to
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: leave whatsoever, so we have to do what we can
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: to save them and or get them off planet. So,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: like you're going into this thinking this is a lose
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: lose situation. How do they fix this? And again, gonna
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: keep this for you guys to witness on your own.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: There is a galactic miracle that happens in this story.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: And I kind of laugh with Avon because Avon is
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: there as the trusted researcher to kind of say, Okay,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: how can we resolve the blight and how can we
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: cure the blight? And we've kind of confesses to her
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: in the beginning before they even get to Cachik, because
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: it takes them probably until chapter fifteen to get to Kashik.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, I don't think there's a cure
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Like and that was the that was the conversation that
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: they had. It was, Okay, let's come to terms with
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: this right now. There is no cure. Whatever Marchion Roe
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: is saying, is the cure is a lie? Yeah, because
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: he is just wanting to cause chaos? So what do
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: we do? And both Avon and Wreath both the reed, Hey,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: we don't say anything. Let's just see what we're up
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: against and then just decide how things go as they go.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And Avon's conversation with her professor of all people
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: at the end of this, and the Professor's like, nonsense,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: it worked once, it'll work again.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: No, and and and again. We can't tell you how
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: it is done, but it's not something you can replicate.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: M h And it's I'm very curious.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: The Force is misunderstood in a galaxy far far away exactly.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, like I I like, it's so funny when
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: it actually happened, When this miracle happened, I'm like, the
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: first thought in my head was, Okay, how does this
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: happen for an entire galaxy?
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm right, And then I'm like, are we going
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: to see literally all the Jedi because because again, same
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: thing that happened in Tears of the Nameless and in
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Temptation of the Force, we had a meditation team here
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: in kashik and they were performing meditation and pushing the
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: blight back in the small spot. And then at one point,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: even by the way, we get a name drop kal
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Naka is here, really glad he's here now. By the way,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Claudia Gray explained, it is kal Naka younger or older
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: than Burryaga. He's older, he is older, Okay, okay, I
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: thought so. Kal Naka and Bury both at one point
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: joined the meditation team to the blight back, and so
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: in my mind, I was thinking, is there gonna be
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: some weird like center of the galaxy type of thing
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: where all of the Jedi are going to gather and
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: like do something with the force and all this other stuff.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm genuinely curious. Yeah, like it it. Here's
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: the thing. Do we find out in Valiant val and
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: then pursue that in trials or do we not see
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: anything until trials.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm curious about. Because Bergerie and Bell are
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: basically split up for the first time ever because the
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Jedi get rumors that Marcion is on a specific planet
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: like right on the edge of the Unknown Regions, and
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Bell just to take after Markion and Bury wants to
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: take care of his home world. So they kind of
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: split up in that regard, so I was kind of
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: thinking that maybe Trials was going to show that endeavor.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: But then we find out that Markion actually had laid
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: those rumors out and it's on a completely different planet.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: So I am curious to see what happens. I don't
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: exactly know. I don't think Justina is going to tackle
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the blight necessarily. I think she's going to wrap Emory's
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: story up, and it looks like tup Tap is going
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: to be in that story. So I don't I don't
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: know what Justina's gonna tackle. I saylight, yeah, especially from
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: what you've said about way Seeker, which I'm gonna leave
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: it at that. But well, like the.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: We know that like Years of the Nameless wrapped up
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: the nameless. Mm hmm, this wrapped up the drink gear.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Well it did Tears of the Nameless wrap up the nameless.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Like it didn't didn't. That's the thing. Like, we got closure,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: but we didn't get closure. We got answers. We got
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: a this is how we beat them. We got a solution.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: That's what we got. We got a solution. Now we
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: got to find that solution. We have to work towards
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that solution.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, Like, I really feel like there needs to
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: be some sort of wrap up here, because Charles has
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: stated that we are not going to know the ending
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: for what's coming for Trials of the Jedi until like
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the last few pages. So how do you wrap up?
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Because basically what we found out in Tears of the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Nameless is that the Nameless have to be returned to
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Planet X at the end of the day. Mm hmm,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: So how do you wrap that up in the last
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: few chapters.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I just had a horrible thought, how long do you
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: think Trials is?
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Oh? Charles stated that in a newsletter somewhere.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Did he really?
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I think he did. I'll have to go back and look.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I've got too many newsletters of his in my inbox
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: to go look right now? Okay, what did you think
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: of des Ryden's return? With three years of the bargrash
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Vow under his belt, he returns in the opening chapters
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: and is here in the entire time and kind of
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: leads the team to the Darkness, which I think is
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: going to be probably the last thing. I actually, no,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: it's not the last thing, because we have to talk
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: about Comac returning the Jedi order too. But what did
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: you think about dez.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, real quick, hang ran the house product details.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's true.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: We have that Trials the Nameless four Jedi, sorry, Trials
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: of the Jedi four hundred and forty eight pages. Okay,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: this was three hundred and sixty pages.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Which is still young adults, so it's shorter.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how much? How long was uh The Light of
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: the Jedi? Okay?
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's no page numbers in this book. Okay, there
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: it is. Sorry, okay. So this book, which is probably
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: about the same height, so Aragon is four hundred and
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: ninety seven pages.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Four hundred and ninety seven, so.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: That a lot of people know what Airon is. So
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: that kind of gives you an idea.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: So you're asking Light of the Jedi, yep, because that
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: was the that's the only Charles book that's in this
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: whole High Republic.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, by the way, while we're doing this, Clay
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: when asking for the number of pages into the Light
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: spoiled the book for me. So the Jedi is three
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: hundred and seventy seven pages.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, there's plenty of story there, okay, okay.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: But again last few pages resolves the entire.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: I don't like that he said that. I don't think
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: he should have said that.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: He should have said that either, but he likes to
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: tease Charles.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, so the story goes. Guys, because I had bought
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: this book three times, I was trying to decide, like
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: how quickly I could read it, and I had asked Katie.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I was like, Hey, how many pages is the book now? Guys.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I didn't think about this when I asked her the question.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Katie has a pre programmed brain that whenever she sees
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: a page, she needs to look through that page because
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: she's a scan reader. It's just something that she has
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: pre programmed that her I feel like that her parents
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: pre programmed her with. So when I asked for her
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: page see, a normal individual would have been looking at
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: the bottom of the page, probably holding the top of
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: the spine to not even open the book. But no,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Katie opened the entire book, went to the last page,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: read the page, and then saw the page count and
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: decided not to cuss me out because she spoiled herself. Uh.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't read the whole page. I saw two important
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: words because my brain is to look for like the
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: names of characters and then like big words that any.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Kind of context clues for said character. Yeah, for sure,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: because that I can skip.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: And because like if you have like a description page
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: and I'm a scan reader, okay, then I can go
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: through and read like four or five words out of
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: that paragraph. But then everything else on the page I'll read.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Don't read the last page of the book before you
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: read the rest of the book. So Katie just sends.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Me a text I can actually tell you, so let
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: me actually get to it. She says, uh, where is it?
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Damn it? Where is it? I told you? Oh? I said,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: how long is it? And I was like, wait, how
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: are you already finished with the book? She's like, no,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm just holding it. And it's not so
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: have toy of a book as I thought. It would
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: have been three hundred and sixty pages period, thirty six chapters,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: and there is a huge spoiler on the last page.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, cool, got it, don't read the last
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: page like I usually do. And she said in all
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: caps correct.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: So, and we're about to jump into our third ad, y'all.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: We promise we'll be right back. We promise.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: There's something that happens to a character. Katie has given
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: that much away context clues of something that happened to
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: a character is what she saw. And I am so
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: glad that I didn't read that last page because there
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: was something emotional attached to that thing, and it hit
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: me like a bag of bricks at eleven forty five
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: pm while everybody else was asleep in my house versus me,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is what that was about.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Clay could translate my face better than I could.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry about that. I am so so sorry. Again, guys,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: don't read the last page of book. I will never
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: ask Katie how long a book is ever again, or
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: you can do.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: What you just did, look it up yourself. Damn it.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I have that problem. Even my boss says that I
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: have that problem. The other day, she was like, do
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: you ever just look things up? Or do you just
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: come and ask me everything. I'm like, well, it's more
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: of a human socialization thing, and so I don't really,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: you know, look things up. She's like, hey, look things up.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: It might help you. And I was like, okay, I
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: have that.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I sent my mom a video screen recording and me
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: googling something for her one time, and she was she's
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: very pissed off of me. Okay, So we have to
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: wrap up because I have Durya to do tomorrow and
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I need to go to sleep. I need beauty rest
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: because I have to corporate a find myself fromorrow. So
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I liked that he came back. I thought it was
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: a good healing moment for his character to kind of
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: wrap up that arc. Even though like from what we
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: know of the barash found like you can take it
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: long as you damn well please in the b I
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: thought it was a good moment for him.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: I also like DES's return in this book. He struggled
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: And it was good to see that he hadn't fully healed,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: but he could still make it work and heal himself.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I really appreciated his growth of a character. And
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: it was kind of like this weird like sixth sense.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Of course that's usually what the force is, but like
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: there's this big push and pull of the Force on
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Kashik and like Reith would always like check in on Dez, like, hey,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: how you doing. Are you okay? Like, And I think
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: that was a really good thing as well, to show
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: the growth of them to as characters knowing what they
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: had gone through into the dark and being able to
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: lean on each other throughout this book. I thought that
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: was a really nice touch and I really really appreciated that.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: But along with that a character that Clodia Gray has
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: not really needed to put in her books, but definitely
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: needed to put in her book for what Happened on Kashik.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: What did you think about the inclusion of Aslan Real
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: in this book.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I thought it was important for them to wrap up
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: his character, Like I really I really thought he was
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: going to die in this that that's the I thought
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: his inclusion was important to begin to wrap up his character.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I really thought he was going to die in this one,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: and like get that return to the light. But from
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: what we get at the end, which we're going to
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: talk about is the last thing because it's like big spoilers,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: but like we need to talk about it. Yeah, I
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: don't know if he will get that redemption.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: At the end of I don't think he should.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, I don't think he should either. So
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: like Star Wars is always about that redemption. Like I
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: could go all day long for Rise of Skywalker. I
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: don't want Ben to be redeemed. He kills his father,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: why would I want him to be redeemed? And and
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: then he gets and I think that.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: You know, it's probably something that they've already planned and
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: everything else, and I will accept it if it happens.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: But and I'm totally fine with jumping into this, but
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I just want to say, I think the conversations with
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Wreath and as then we're very good here. It showed
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Wreath's growth. Again, we keep saying that, but he is
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: assigned to be the leader of this mission. Out of
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: all of the older Jedi that are on this mission,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: he is the one that's in charge.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Which totally makes sense to me, Like he really needed
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: this moment, this faith that the council has, because he
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't have that faith in himself. And to how I
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I've tried to explain this to several people because I
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: am the same way. And this is why read speaks
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: so much to music character. To have somebody else tell you, hey,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I believe in you. That is probably one of the
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: most important things you can say to a person, is
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: in that moment where they're like, fuck, I don't know
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: what to do. I don't know what I'm doing. We're
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: watching squid Game and like one of the people is
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: just like, hey, you got this, Like calm down, take
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: a breath. You got this. Like that is honestly one
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: of the most important things you can say to a person,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: especially with how much anxiety today's generation has. And like
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that facetiously either, Like that is like
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: a very honest thing coming from me. Is like I
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: crave that, Like okay, yeah, that makes sense. You've got
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: this kind of thing, Like and my boss does a
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: very good job of doing that because like I've talk
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: to her about it, and like, I have so much
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: imposter syndrome. And there's another millennial programmer on the like
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: young millennial on the team, and it's like, yeah, like
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: a deal with so much imposter syndrome as a programmer,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: because you are like kind of deciding how much like
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: in some cases you can be deciding life or death.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Like with the stuff that we do, we can honestly
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: affect like trading and everything because we work with the ports,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: so it's like really important stuff that we're doing and everything.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: So I would say, I'll let this say I really
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: appreciated how much we grew as a person in this,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: but also in how he handled Komac, because Komac is
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: still trying to decide where he belongs in the Jedi Order,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: if he should come back or whatnot. And at the
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: end of the book, he does make the decision, Hey,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I'm going to rejoin the Jedi Order, like I do
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: feel like I have a place here now that we've
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: kind of established this. But he also tries to retake
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: the mentorship role that he had with Wreath, and I
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: honestly wonder if he kind of promoted Wreath like obviously,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: like we know, like the Guardian Protocols, everybody got promoted
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: to Jedi Night if you had enough Padawan training years
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: under your belt. Basically they didn't do trials. They said
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: this is your trial. So Wreath probably would have been
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: promoted anyways. But I honestly think he kind of promoted
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Wreaths like a fuck you to the Jedi Order, like
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: deal with this yourself, deal with this, like I have
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: faith in him, yes, but he also still needs such
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: a confidence boost like fuck you, like deal within yourself.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I could see that happening very much so, because they
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: do butt heads at one or two of this book,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Like there's one moment where aslin And and I I
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: like Aslyn as a character, I don't know, but I
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: don't like him as a person because he tries to
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: get in everybody's head in this book. And he's like yay,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: and I love there's a moment where like Comack is like, hey,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: basically like funk off, dude, nobody wants to talk to you.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: And then Read talks to Aslan.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: First he goes to Komak and he's like, hey, I
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: got this. I'm the leader. You do you I'm going
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: to do the leadership, okay, and he pushes asthon aside.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: He says, and you, I know that you're so alone
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: that you don't want to be alone anymore, so you're
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: trying to drag everybody else down with you. Shit needs
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: to stop. And I was like, oh, like go really
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: loved that moment, really loved that moment. It was also
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: kind of terrifying when you actually get to see Aslin
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: basically become a maniacal murderer of the Dranger. He's like, oh,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I can release all my power and he likes he
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: he goes full Palpatine.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Like flying with lightning and everything, like I would love,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: like this is one where I'm like Okay, I'd love
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: to see the manga or like comic, like I want
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: to see that on a page.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Like, but because of what happens, and this is where
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: we will jump into this. Now, there is this, like
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I said, this push and pull with the forest going
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: on on Kashikh and with the type of connection that
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Aslyn has with the force Yoda and Wreath both constantly
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: throughout this book are telling everybody, oh, yes, he has
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: a dark side, but he is doing it for the
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: like he thought he was doing it for the right reasons.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: He's not going after and killing people he wanted to
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: in the conflict with the nameless. He wanted to protect
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: the ones that he loved, all these other things right,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: And so this push and pool that we're getting to
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: see on Kashik it manifests through the dreams of Asla
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: in this book.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: This is probably my favorite part of the whole book,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: is these dreams that he gets.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: And I love that there is not like details to it,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: because like even as And is like, oh this this
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: other person that was in I know the recognizer, like
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: I know their name, but I can't remember their name,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Like it's very like it's very vague, and I like that,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: and then there's like these dreams of darkness, this pool
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: to the darkness, the dark side of the forest that
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: he of course has been consuming for so many years, right,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: and so this is what kind of gives you the
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: hint of like, oh, like we may actually see the
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: redemption of Aslin in this book. But then there is
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: on Kashik specifically, there is the destruction of the thorn Seed,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: is what you said?
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Yep, so Kashik is hiding the Kashik is hiding basically
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: a thorn seed which looks like it was created from
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the sap of the Dring gears at Avon does like
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: a comparison and everything, and it basically the thorn seed
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: is a Sith artifact that is used to basically, oh,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I want to say, it's like it can like basically
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: convert eventually a planet into the dark side.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: So it like basically manipulates a planet.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: So the way that they explained it was actually kind
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: of cool because they're like, oh, well, we know that
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: the dream gear were used by like the Sith. How
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: did they do that? And then like Reith gives like
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: this whole like like he this it's it's it's all, Oh,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: there's a specific word for it. What is uh? What
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: is it when a character just throws out all the
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: knowledge for the audience? What is that called? Oh?
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I don't I know what you're talking about, but I
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: I can't think of it. But like uh, Leo's JOSSI
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: uh is a part of the group at that point,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: He's like, and how do you know all of this?
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: He's like, Oh, I read it in new Archives, Like
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: he is like the biggest nerd at this point. And
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: like even Avon like has a little grin. He's like
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: only him, Like only he could like be so excited
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: about reading all about this at a library.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: It's kind of cool because it like basically allows a
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: planet to work for the benefit of the dark Side
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: user in like a battle, so they can drain energy
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: from people around them, like they can make plants evil,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: so like itisonous.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: It was a very interesting concept. And I do like that,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: like you could even in a way. And again, these
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: are legends novels, so nothing is set in stone for
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: this particular person. But think about the Baine trilogy. Think
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: about like everything that happened and transpired in those books,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Like I think about like two in particular moments where
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, that could actually really work well
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: with a thorn seed in there, and so like, I
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: think that's really fun that they've created this thing that
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: like when when you think about like a Sith planet,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: you're like, how can there be a Sith planet? And
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, now we know how there can be
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: a Sith planet.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: And this should be our final ad break. So y'all,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: thanks for bearing with us. We appreciate y'all. We'll be
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: right back. And the worry with using a thorn seed
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: on Kashik is these plants, like the the rochure trees
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: are for sensitive like that's like the magic of Kashik.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: And why like wookies have such a strong connection to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: their homeworld is because they grow up around the forest
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: with the rochure trees and everything. So it's always interesting
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: to see how things can be manipulated towards other things.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: But Kashiki is basically guarding this thorn seed and the
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: way in Campa, I don't know how you pronounce her
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: name because the audiobook is not connapped. Audiobook comes out
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: April fifteenth for those who are curious. So Campa doctor Campa,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: who was like training avon kind of thing, is now
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: working for Marchion. She found what did you think about this?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: She found to Sith holocron? Yeah, where did she find it? It? Like,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: I actually articulate it.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: I actually didn't like this part of the story.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: I because because so and that's what they were trying
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: to say, like, Okay, this all leads towards the Sith,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: this all leads towards the Phantom Menace. But this feels
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: like it came out of left field.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Well not only did it come out of left field,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: nothing came from it.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Correct. The Holocron crumbles.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: At the end of this, and I knew it had to.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: That's the stupid thing is the fact that with this
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: push and pool going on with Aslin, I, the moment
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: I nected the ducts that mccampa, the Syth Holocron, and Aslin,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: we're all going to be on the same planet. My
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: immediate thought is, oh, how is the Syth Holocron going
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: to be destroyed because Aslin cannot get.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: His hands on correct, and like this is the other
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: thing with the holo Cron that irks me is so okay,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: So they articulate that des Riden has been gone with
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: a Barash valve for three years, so that makes it
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: three years between end of the Dark and Into the Light.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Phase one takes a year. The time between phase one
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: and phase three is a year mm hm. Doctor Campus
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: says she found the sith holocron almost a year ago
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: when searching for the initial cure sites, and she uses
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: cure in like quotation marks. Like Marcion had known about
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the blight. I don't think he did, because the blight
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: was not a thing until to fid the storm, and
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: he didn't think he could cure it until temptation of
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: the force.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: But that's the thing, Like I think the big like
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: aha moment for the audience is supposed to be seen
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: in Charles Soul's book. That's the thing I'm just saying.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Like the timeline doesn't make sense here. Is like, Okay,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: if you had said six months or like months ago
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: or whatever, if you had said that versus almost a
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: year ago, I would have believed you. But there's been
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: no indication of time passing, and you know time is passing. Yeah,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: But like for how the rising storm goes, Yeah, it's
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: been six months since into the since Starlight Beacon was
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: opened or whatever, like you know, okay, like that's what
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: it is like, and there's been nothing of that sort.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: There's no way the blight has been around for a
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: year at this point, because it took Marcion a couple
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: of trips to figure out. Okay, I can lie and
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: say I have the cure because I have the rod.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: I just like we haven't. It's it's so hard because
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: we haven't seen or heard of how long the blight
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: takes to consume a planet.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: It is unknown Breeth talks about at the beginning. He's like, yeah,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: like an entire planet can be gone in a week,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: or it can be gone in two weeks, Like yeah, exactly.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: And I think we see in this the blight when
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: the thorn Seed is activated. When because Agon wants to
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: sample because she is a crystal person. She wants to
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: research the crystals of lightsabers and everything, so she's like, oh,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: crystal like research. So she chips a piece off, and
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: the blight splits for the thorn Seed like it jumps.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter that the Jeta are sitting there. It
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't expand in every direction like was it was thought
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: to do. It jumps towards the thorn Seed, which is
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: interesting because the Blight is the absence of the Force.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: It is eating all of the Force, with all of
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: the Jedi around it trying to prevent the Blight from growing.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Mhm.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: It also have jumped to the Jedi.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: I guess it would have, like I, I don't know,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: like the right answer for you. That's the thing. Yeah,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: I'm very curious to see, like if we ever see
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: in trials or even in a valiant vow like the
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Blight go after somebody, because we've we've seen like even
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: the first inklings of Jedi interacting with the Blight was Bury.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Bury had sat there for like half of a book
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: in Temptation of the Force, you know, just meditating, and
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: he was able to push. But we didn't see any
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: reaction to the Blight like we did in this book,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: specifically going and the way they described it and the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: way that I'm envisioning it in my head is that
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: we we would know that it's in one spot and
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: it's like it's radius is just going larger and larger, right,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: I expect one side of that radius literally peaking to
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: a point towards the thorn Seed. That's kind of what
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: I imagined it's like, yeah, just that one side, just
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: kind of peaking a little bit towards that thorn seed.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, and you know what the blight on Corusciant
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: is in the heart of the Jedi Temple, which is
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: covering the Sith Temple and that Dark Side reservoir.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: So Markyon has talked about seating the blight places, and
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: obviously you can do that, like you can take like
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: you could have taken what's his name's hand and dumped
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: it on another planet and the blight would spread from
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: that contact.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: Mm hm.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: But what if the blight it's like popping up randomly,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: is taking hold on Dark Side powerful archive like areas.
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  Speaker 2: So so that was my thought in here. So when
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: I thought about that, when I thought about like, when
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: it gave the explanation of what the thorn Seed was
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  Speaker 2: and how it's connected to the drend gear and all
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  Speaker 2: of these other things, Marcion Roe could not have snuck
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  Speaker 2: his way through the temple down to the Sith Temple
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  Speaker 2: and seated the blight. Not No, I'm sorry, I don't
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  Speaker 2: care how powerful you make him. It's not going to happen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Can I genuinely think, oh, well, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you still have the mole, that is correct.
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  Speaker 2: We still need to we still need to learn who
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  Speaker 2: that is. So you still have that person who.
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  Speaker 1: Could have seated it, but also how could they have
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  Speaker 1: seated it, because that is like the closest guarded secret,
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  Speaker 1: Yes of the Jedi.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the blight was inevitably going to happen
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  Speaker 2: on Correussant due to the fact that there was a
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Seth temple there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I would say, like, what's that? Like
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: that the planet in rebels, Like you could argue like that,
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  Speaker 1: like the blight probably happened there because the dark Side
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: had taken hold there. Uh so it's interesting that it's
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: kind of gravitated towards dark Side areas. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we haven't gotten to the thing yet. And
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  Speaker 2: I know that you got to leave pretty soon. So
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  Speaker 2: Asla steal the thorn, steals a piece of the thorn seed.
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  Speaker 2: And this is why I don't think he should be redeemed.
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  Speaker 1: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: He he and ironically witnessed the miracle. He didn't witness anything,
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  Speaker 2: he has no eyes, but he was there when it happened. Well,
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  Speaker 2: actually no, he actually he actually stayed back, didn't he.
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  Speaker 2: He he actually was not. I can't remember was he
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: he was.
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  Speaker 1: On the island.
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  Speaker 2: Was it on the island. Yeah, I can't remember if
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: he because from what I remember, he was there at
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: the last attack.
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  Speaker 1: Of the thorn scene.
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  Speaker 2: But I thought he came like they okay, okay, so
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: he was there. He was there, Oh, that's right, because
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: he snuck up on the ship. He snuck up on
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: the ship along with Nan. Nan also snuck on the ship.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: So he stole a piece of the thorn seed because
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: he just so happened to like just come down and
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: he was like raising his hand and he felt it
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: and he thought it was something else, still can't say
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: what it is, and then he felt He's like, oh,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: I can feel the oh so small spark of the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: dark Side here, and he pockets it and like I
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: wanted to be angry, but then I'm like, of course,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: like this is like the.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: Dark Side has tinted him. And yes, he can argue
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: all day long. Oh I'm using both to like benefit me,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Like you can use both sides, and there's there's like
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: sex of forced users who use both and are able
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: to maintain that balance. But as in the.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Dark Side, yeah, he cannot balance that.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he went to the dark side out of fear,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: and we know that if you go to the dark
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: side out of fear, it will consume.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: You mm hmm. And I think that his story will
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: most definitely end. I do not think it'll be a cliffhanger.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think that it'll just be the think.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: He's he's dark, plagis.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: No Pleagas has eyes. We've seen it. I think, like,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: I think I would almost roll my eyes if, like
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: we see that like in Trials, he gets away and
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: then like a year later they're like, oh, here's the novel,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: the legend of As than Real, you know, or something
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: like that. Like, I would probably roll my eyes because
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: I think his story needs to end. I think that
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: they're that confrontation between the Council Yoda, even with Asthen
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: knowing like, oh, you did this behind our backs, even
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: worse right in front of us.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: YEP. I have to wonder if that will take place
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: in Edge of Balance, because we have Premonition, which has
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Yoda on the cover, and then we have volume four,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: which has the Young Wings on the cover. So I'm
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: betting Priminition is what's coming to be the end of
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: Asthen's story. Because what is it called precedent is how
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: you kind of figure out who Asthen is, Like, yes,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: he's in phase two, Like is he really in phase
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: two until precedent? Yeah, because you didn't even know who
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: he was, Like we read.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: That in the in Path of Deceit he is literally
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: he is in the first chapter mm hmmm, and then
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: the last page. Yeah, like.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: And that's basically it until you get to like the
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Battle of Dolna, and then you have President.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: So it's.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: He's been a weird one for sure, and I would
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: think his story is gonna end in one again.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's one of these things that like even
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Chlaudia Like again I said, I said that there was
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: two scenes in this book that almost did not even
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: have to be there. One was the creature that was
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: in Kashik or whatever. The second one was this random
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: death sticks dealer that decided to help Naan's crew defeat
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: the nigh Hill at the edge of a planet's atmosphere.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: And then yeah, sorry, AFI's clan. Yeah, and then like
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: the very next chapter, like you see Afi communicating with
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: these people that had offered him a job, and she's like, hey,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: let's not just bring anybody in here. Let's just like
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: if he has our back, we'll have his back, but
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: we're not making him a full member. And then boom,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: that was it. That like there was no reason, And
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: I guess you can overall see like, oh, this is
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: the rest of the Galaxy finally wanting to fight back
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: against the Night Hill. But we've been seeing that all
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: throughout the High Republic.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: It's that argument for AFI's character, and we haven't really
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: talked about the crew of the vessel a whole lot.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like, even though they're Claudia's characters, they actually
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: probably had like this is probably their least amount of
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: development in the whole of Phase three. But it's that
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: continued growth for Afi to be able to continue to
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: have the bind and Guild and growing it and learning
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: how to be a better leader than her stepmom was
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I think that is mainly it.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, I actually said a lot more than I intended
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: to in this, so I apologize. I didn't think it
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: was going to go this long. Yeah, I was like,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: we'll be done in forty five minutes, Like.
• 1:18:05
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• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: like I was like, Hey, it's just a book review.
• 1:18:09
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• 1:18:11
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• 1:18:14
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• 1:18:42
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• 1:18:43
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