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Inside The Birds Week 17 Postgame Show: Philadelphia Eagles 13, Buffalo Bills 12 · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the Inside the Birds post game show.
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Moscher. I'm with Adam Kaplan. Hey, the Eagles won.
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: They beat Buffalo in Buffalo. That's a hard place to win,
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: and they won, and they're eleven to five. But uh oh, Adam,
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: because right before we started recording this show, I happened
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: to check some of my social media mentions as I
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: was posting my Philly Voice story. I don't normally do this,
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: but it seems like a lot of people aren't really
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: thrilled about the Eagles winning thirteen to twelve in Buffalo.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: There are obviously a lot of things, especially in the
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: second half offensively, that are our people are gonna have
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: a bone to pick with. So how are you reconciling this?
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: The Eagles One?
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, defense, right, yeah, defense is elite. Defense is incredible.
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't keep putting on the defense to
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: win you games. The defense did a really good job.
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: Taf very aggressive, really aggressive with a pass.
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: In the rain.
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, now you can throw on the rain as long
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: as it's not windy. It really was not windy as
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: I was told. Second half the wind was picking up
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: a little bit, but that's nothing to do with it.
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: Hurts didn't complete a pass. Let's put it this way.
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: He didn't get any he didn't have any yards in
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  Speaker 2: the second half. I mean, that's just that's hard to do.
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: It's almost impossible.
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: I know, pose formations and I just I and you know,
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: I heard Syrian's press conference there for the game. I'm
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: glad that he was grilled over it. Mm hmm, like,
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: what are you doing there? You're not You're a CEO
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: head coach and Sirianni talked. At least he was willing
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: to talk about. Hey, I hear, I hear that every
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: play call as it's being called, how it's being called
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: in But you have to see after a series of
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: events that you're not moving the football. You can't run it.
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: You threw the ball pretty well in the first half.
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: Remember A J. Brown got you a touchdown. Was a
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: great throw. Okay, a great throw. I mean the ref
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: misses the call, okay, terrible miscall. They also had to
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: drop pass in the first half, but overall they moved
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  Speaker 2: the ball well, round the ball fairly well. So you
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: feel pretty good. They have thirteen points in the first half,
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: you feel pretty good about. Defense is great. Not only
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: did they get shut out in the second half. If
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: you want to talk about one of the worst performances
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: in the offense this season, I mean, I can't imagine
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: it's been worse than this. This was just atrocious, right.
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm not sure if I put this on offensive
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: personnel or co well, I am sure. I don't on
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: personnel coaching. And I actually I thought Nick Sirianni called
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: a conservative first half. Now they had thirteen points all No,
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: I mean because I'll give you occasions where it was
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: second and long and he was running.
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: The ball, but one was ridiculous.
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Adam didn't have that many possessions, and this
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: is something that they've done all year long. I just
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: I was a give up. Yeah, I thought that the
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: fourth drive the fourth session where Jalen Hurts made some
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: terrific throws. Let it loose. Had the third down pass
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: to DeVante Smith for nineteen yards. It was between two
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: tight windows and the road to the right hit aj Brown. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: those were great throws, moving the pass, hold on, hold on,
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: hold on, hold on. We'll get to that in a second.
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  Speaker 1: But they were moving and the offense was open. And
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: then go look at the play calling in the next
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: two to three drives, there was nothing like that. Okay,
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: there were a couple of passes, but it wasn't the
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: same And I put that on the coaching. I thought
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: he was conservative. And even in the second half, which
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: we've seen all year long, when they had a chance
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: to use some time outs, preserve some time, try to
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: get more points on the board, they did not. And
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: to me, that stuff comes back to haunt you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they were very aggressive, fact hurts aggressive. They were
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: actually very aggressive throwing the football. Loved it that. See,
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  Speaker 2: I don't see it the same way you did. Yet,
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  Speaker 2: except for the plays that I would agree with you on.
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: We're a couple of those third down pass plays where
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what what are you doing? Like what it's
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: a gain? At least one one was a give up play.
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you giving up for? It's just
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  Speaker 2: like i'd have to look at the yardage. Wasn't that long?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not, you know, I need to be ten
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  Speaker 1: plays that I have to point out. I think three
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  Speaker 1: to five plays can make a difference in a one
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  Speaker 1: possession game, and if you're conservative on those, when your
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: quarterback is actually in a good rhythm, then I think
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: you're heard of your team, so right, but it's not
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: like they were the offensive the way they were going more.
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  Speaker 2: That's fine, that will meet in the middle. But by
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  Speaker 2: the way that passed DeVante Smith M hmm. I'd have
• 4:42
  Speaker 2: to see the analytical data on that from next Gen stats.
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: I I have to think that's one of the most
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: tight window throws he's ever made. Matter of fact, it
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: was a weird if you I actually replayed it five times.
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: It seemed like they it was a sort of a
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: broken down play. There was something they had problems getting
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: the ball in, getting the playoff on time a little
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: bit in the first half, to say the least, and
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: that one was one of them. Before the snap, I'm like, okay,
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: where's this going.
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: That hurts?
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  Speaker 2: You know, he rolls, he he waits, and then he
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: fires it and I'm like wait, And then you could
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  Speaker 2: see it when they showed it the replay, I'm like,
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, there's no how did he like he
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: just throw it. That's so not like him, Like I mean,
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: most quarterbacks actually would not have made that throw. But
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: he made it and he completed it. It was a
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: big time NFL throw that that was incredible. They're just
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: it was just a very odd game. But the positive
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: is this defense is right now elite. There's no better
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: defense than the National Football League. I know the Bears
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: record a lot of turnovers, but I'm talking about everything
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: else and Jalox Hunt becoming a man as a pass rusher.
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: This kid is growing up. This is really that Hunt.
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: That first sackle on the stunt was beautiful, man, that
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  Speaker 2: was It was an awesome stunt with and a looper.
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: Looper was good at uh, just the way that they
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  Speaker 2: ran it. It was just a phenomenal stunt and the execution.
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: You went to a great coaching by the way. I mean,
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: I'd have to find it better. We'd have to look
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  Speaker 2: it up. I don't know if there's a better defensive
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: staff right now the National Football They're just they're just
• 6:18
  Speaker 2: coaching up the players buying big time, big.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: Time on there's no and that's a good offensive line
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: the Bills have, and I thought the Eagles had their
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: way with it for the better part of three quarters.
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: Even so, I feel like Nolan Smith has taken a
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: little bit of backseat lately right to guys like Jay
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: Alex Hunt and Jalen Phillis. But he came in with
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: a pretty big pressure and you started to see josh
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: Allen really wincing. Uh, you know he had that football
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: tackle the week before. Yeah, they were really putting a
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: lot of pressure on him. And I just feel for
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: this defense, Adham, because at some point you're asking them
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: to do too much. You're asking and at some point
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: in the NFL, Greg Cosl says this all time, right,
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: the NFL, good players and good teams, they're gonna make
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: plays regardless. And that's exactly how I saw the fourth quarter.
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: You got a veteran like Brandon Cooks making a really
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: nice play. You have you have Terrell Shavers who gets
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: an opportunity because other guys the Bills brought in don't
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: mix like a David Tyree type of catch, right, and
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen's gonna do that. He's gonna burn you for
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: a run or two. But all of those could have
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: been for not right if they didn't let the Bills
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: hang around. And even in letting the Bills hang around,
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: Jalen Carter still blocks the kat which winds up being
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: one of the huge biggest plays of the game, really
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: deciding the outcome because the Bills don't have then have
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: to go for two or they decide they want to
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: go for two and win it at the end and
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: don't get it. But I yeah, any of those big
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: plays that the Bills made, I don't feel like we're
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: defensive letdowns at all. Even the pass interference against Quinnon
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: Mitchell was he grabbed his collar and I know a
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: lot of people think they were correct. Phony it was correct,
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: but it was not as egregious as others. So my
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: point is they made the Bills work for every single
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: yard that they gained. And had they lost this game,
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: which was very possible, I you know, I don't think
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: there would ever be a mutiny, but man I would
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: have been I would have felt, as an Eagles defender
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  Speaker 1: pretty crappy if if they wound up losing that game.
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: Because the offense, for the second time this year, Adam
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: this is historically comical, had less less than twenty yards
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: and a half all right, Week four against Tampa and
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: then this game against the Bills. You can't have less
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  Speaker 1: than twenty. This Bill's defense is good. But we talked
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: all in the pregame show about all that. Yeah, they weren't.
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: They didn't have Jordan Poyer, there were down three defensive tackles.
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: The Eagles are moving the ball on them in the
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: first half. There's almost no excuse for what happened in
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: the second half.
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, you just said they're moving the ball.
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: You and I could disagree a little bit on some
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: conservative plays individually, but overall they were aggressive. They threw
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: the ball well in the first half. Don't let the yards,
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: don't let the one hundred and ten yards whatever it
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: was in the first half, fool you. There were some
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: big plays there. Yeah, did they lease some plays on
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: the ground so to speak, that were were Jake Elfield goals, Yes,
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: he hit two, by the way, he didn't miss. He
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: nailed both of them. But second half was an abomination offensively.
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: And that's all coaching. It starts with Sirianni. It's his scheme.
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: When you see Patuloa struggle a little bit, which he was,
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: you got to help the guy out basically by the way,
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: in his way. Basically, he took responsibility because it's his
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: fault as the head coach. He talked about it, he
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: said it repeatedly in the press conference after the game,
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: that he had to help, he had to help more.
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  Speaker 2: But then at the end, he said, well, you know,
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: also have to coach the team, all dude, it's your scheme, okay.
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: Right, and he has the final say he knows what
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: the call is. So for example, you know, this is
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: the play that really I already mentioned one run that
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: they had on third and long where they could have
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: gone for but right before half. If you remember it
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: was third and eighty eight, that's yeah, third and eight
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  Speaker 1: and they pass, they run a screen and get three
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: yards to Dallas Goddard. I mean it was the It
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: was just a little dinkiest screen, and I thought Hurtz
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: was well protected for the game as well. Screen. They
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: had been moving the ball so well. Third and eight,
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: you're at the thirteen, all right, and you run a
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: play that can that is a lateral play. You don't
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: even throwing the ball forward. They get stopped and you
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: settle for the twenty eight yard field goal. That one
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  Speaker 1: grinded my gears even more than the third or second
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  Speaker 1: and long run that they had. But then you know
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: that's so that's my point. If you're Nick Sirianni, you
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: okayed that play call, So we can play Kevin Patulo
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: for calling yet but Nix and but this is their mentality.
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: They just always play not to lose, and that's great.
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: When you had the awesome running game, which again they
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: haven't had all the year. It is I understandably have
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: a defense, But if they can win four straight playoff
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: games coaching exactly that way this year without the home
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: run running game, I would be surprised. But on the
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: flip side, Adam, you could convince me that just a
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: little more aggression, that maybe they could win it all
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: even without a real dominant running game with the way
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: this defense is playing, just a little bit more aggression
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: and that some submissive play calling.
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: Submissive play calling is what I would use. I mean,
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: it's really surprising. I'm like, here we go, here we go,
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: because I'm like, we had the Patreon Schafford level three
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: is at halftime. I'm like, wow, this is like in
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: the rain. I did not expect this aggressiveness in terms
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: of run pass Like this surprised me. And although you know,
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: Barkley had some really good runs, so everything was really wrong. Again,
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: thirteen points is good for a first half. You'll take that,
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: especially against that defense. They're not very talented defense Buffalo,
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: but they have a great scheme and they make you
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: earn it. They're gonna make you. They're gonna make you there.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: Sean McDermott is mister's own defense. Stefan Gilmore, remember when
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: he left there is simply because he can't he needs
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: to play in a man scheme. So he moved on
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: and did very well for himself. But Sean coaches a
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: certain way in Benford also Christian Benford number forty seven
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: Villanova for a Villanova star got away with one as well,
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: a clear pass interference. They're just not calling it well.
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: It was for both teams. Rests were not very good.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: Usually don't talk about the rest, but rarely do we
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: talk about it. They had a bad game. But overall,
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: just to move this along here, there's a lot to
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: feel good about you. Jakeli As I mention braid Man
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: is unbelievable, unleapout. I won't curse here. How about helling
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: to make the Pro Bowl? We have a I don't
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: care about the Pro Ball. It doesn't it doesn't, it
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything. It's a popularity contest right more ways
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: than one. We could give several examples. If we went
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: through the list of thirty two teams, where you go
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: this guy clearly it's not a pro bowler. But he
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: got in.
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, how is how is he not a
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: pro bowler? But Cam Jurgens, who again had some some
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: struggles up front, is a is a pro bowler? It
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't make doesn't make sense.
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: And Dragons had one or two playces he'd like to
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: have back to say the least. But you know what,
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: the offensive line, as you said, protected better. So the
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: positives to me, not in any particular order. La didn't
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: miss any field goals. Okay, that's a start. Okay, in
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: the rain, you know had had to do that. Brad
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: Man is in absolute to superstar. He had a great game.
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: Offensive line protected much better that a pretty good game.
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: There were some very positive runs for Barkley in the
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: first half. I was in charge in the close formation plays,
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: but seemed like they had too many of them. Very
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: in the second half, very conservative. It was like were
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: they trying to go through like a tunnel? Like what
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: are they doing here? I don't understand what they were doing,
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: but I would say that you got to like the
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: way that they moved the football in the first half.
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: And it's as people have said, anyone watches his team
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: week in and week out. They can never put a
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: full game together, not even close off.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: No, no. In fact, I mean this was so much
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: like the Bucks and the Broncos game, even stylistically, because
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I was texting you during the game. I
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: felt Sean mcdervitt was overplaying his hand a little bit.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: He was blitzing a lot in the first half, and
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: I think that's what led to Jalen Hurts finding some
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: good one on ones and being able to get the ball,
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: and then of course he also made some terrific throws
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: that against sown. But in the second half, I wasted charting.
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: I did not see very many five man pressures. There
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: were some sims, there might have been one or two,
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: but on those third downs, he was basically just dropping
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: and bringing four man pressure, forcing Hurts off his mark.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: You saw him roll right, roll left, throw out of bounds,
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: and he had the offense completely dysfunction. And that's really
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: what the Bucks did. Remember they blitzed a lot in
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: the first half and almost none in the second half.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: The Broncos did the same thing and they wound up
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: coming back to win the game. So you know, it's
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: weird because we haven't seen lately, Hurts has been struggling
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: against the blitz, I mean against real teams, but he
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: was he did a great job against it in the
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: first half. Then they backed off. I don't know, I
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: just I feel like the Eagles just can't find themselves,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: you know, like they find it for two or three
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: drives at him offensively, and even with conservative coaching or
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: bad coaching, that like, you should still be able to
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: have a run game. And Barkley was running the ball well,
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: and he just couldn't run the ball well in the
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: second half. And you know, this feels like something the
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Eagles are just going to be fighting until it's over
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: this year.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the coaches seemed to get out of their getting
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: their own way. Barclay had seventeen yards in the first
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: that sees me. In the second half, he had fifty
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: one in the first half.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: I mean that's just amazing.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's rolling. He had a good first half, honestly,
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: had I you know, I wrote down my just look
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: at my notes at halftime. I was like, Wow, this
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: is a really good, well called game, really well called game.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: In the second half, it was like the exact it
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: must have been the exact opposite for Petullo and look
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: he Nick Sirianni deserves a lot of criticism for the
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: second half. That's embarrassing. They called that game the second half.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: I do want to know and greg O sum might
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: have this in terms of eleven personnel, because they did.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: They went five to zero, They went a lot of
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: they were five eligibles works, they're great running that. The
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: stats are overwhelmingly positive for that.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah good, no, center, very good.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: And I just don't know why. I know, you're up
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: thirteen nothing. You feel like you're rolling here with your defense.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: But we are we aware of how good Josh Allen
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: has been bring the team back this season? Are we
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: aware of this? Thirty should have been You can get
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: that done in five minutes, right?
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: I agree? I felt like Nick was coaching like he
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: had a three or four touchdown lead.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, he.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Thing the way.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, not the first time he's done this. That's
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: he's a great coach. We I know he's got haters.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not a defender. I just know how good of
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: a coach. This guy is number one road record of
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: the National Football League. Okay, since he became head coach.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: That's unbelievable. This guy excellent coach. Okay, but it doesn't
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: mean you can't criticize the guy. It's not Teflon, Okay,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: this is is bad coaching. He needs to do a
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: better job and take responsibility. You know, he says on
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Monday morning, we're gonna beat ourselves up. He should bring
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: a Larry Holmes. He's an assassin inside the face, dude,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: wake up, man.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Nice hey man, it's clear to me if you, if you,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: you know, the coach of the last five years for
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: the Eagles is Nick Sirianni. I mean, like you said,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: the stats speak for themselves, but the coach of the
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: year for the Eagles for twenty twenty five starting in January,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: like last years playoffs is unquestionably yeah, Vic Fangio. He
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: is the reason the Eagles have the hardware, right, I mean.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Think about it. Where the five wins?
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. I don't know. He every every
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: button he pushes seems to be the right one. We
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: didn't even talk about two players who really made a
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: huge all right, So Zach Bonn had two enormous plays.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: One he's covering a tight end down the field, just
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: breaking up the pass about twenty five yards, and I
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: love that Tom Brady said it, because not enough people
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: said it. Brady says, how many guys at his position
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: or even running that fast that far down the field
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: to be able to put themselves in position to break
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: up the play? And totally right. The second thing is
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: probably got lost by the way the game was ending,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: But he had that hit on Allen in the third
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: quarter on fourth down as Allen's trying to get into
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: the end zone and then he falls flat on his
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: butt right before the ball crosses. He had a really
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: big hit on Josh Allen on that scramble that prevented it,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: that kept the Eagles, kept the Bills scoreless at that point.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: The Bills were shut out for about what forty five
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: to fifty minutes of this game, So I started to
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: look at the stats of the last time the Bills
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: were shut out both at home and on the road,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: and it had been since They hadn't been shut out
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: at home since two thousand and eight, So you're talking
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: about a long time, you know, almost, Josh.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: All right, yes, yes, So a couple of things here
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: that I will add, so we're ready to talk. At
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: the top, we talked about Jackson is really coming on
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Jalen Phillips as a forced defender against the run doing
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: a really good job. Carter was a factor, but that
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: that Saki had that Saki had was absolutely incredible. I mean, Josh,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen, he's just like I wouldn't want to be
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: him on that play. So it was good to see
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: him back. And obviously obviously Carter with the deflection was
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: huge on the block kick on Michael Oh Syriana gave
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: her the answers to the test. It was pretty good
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: of him to admit. And I'm sure Michael Bashley won't
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: be the kicker in the Super Bowl if they got
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: that far, but they they knew that he kicks low.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: It was a really good note that he gave after
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: the game. It was you know, that was interesting.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: That is good. They've had some really good special teams
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: intel this year. There was another play I can't remember.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: It wasn't the one against the Rams, but they had
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: a good was it the remember somebody trying to fake
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: punt I think against them and they were able to
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: stop it. And they said Michael talked about that right, Yeah, yeah,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: they had some intel that they thought it might be coming.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: So special teams coaching has been good.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Right, got her now eleven touchdowns amazing, amazing. We'll talk
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: more about him at another point of bringing him back
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: because you know, we noted in March how much they're
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: trying to trade him. Yeah, it doesn't mean you can't
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: draft his replacement and in in May. But why can't
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: you bring him back for another year? But that's another
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: story we don't get ahead ourselves.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: We talked about that, maybe how he should force Saquon
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: and take a pay cut this off season.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: So yeah, but I kid, I kid, Yeah, Christian Parker
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: another great coach. I mean, you just there's a lot
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: of I know we're we're being a little bit negative,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: but our job is to tell the truth. This is
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: why you watch other than that they gave it Apps
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: is this is where they miss Drew McCoo. But it
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: is not the athlete that mcoob is and just a
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: much better coverage player. Yepps is a wily, smart guy
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: like Blanket Ship. But they don't have an athlete back
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: there right now. That's a problem that's worrisome for the
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: playoffs when you know if the weather's nice for the
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: first game, because they'll host it depending on who they play.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: If the weather holds up. You know, you got to
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: see who's back there. Because mccoob's coming back from a
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: broken an golfee. He plays it all deep into the
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: playoffs if he could come back. So that's one thing
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: you're missing. But Bond's a star man. He's just an
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: incredible football player. One of the best covers linebackers in
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the football. Nobody talks about that part that you brought up.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Job Cambell made some plays against the run. There was
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: a player that you could see clearly in a replay.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: You know he he got taken out. That happens. But
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: you know what, another thing, the defense. They did a
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: phenomenal job against James Cook. Just a phenomenal job. This
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: guy's been a killer lately. James Cook, He's a phenomenal
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: football player. They did a great job against him. I
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: know that Josh Allen scored two touchdowns, but he had
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: the one big seventeen yard run, a clearly designed run,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: and that they did a great job they did. So
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: one thing I talked about in our pregame show no
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: backbreaking runs, h okay, Like Justin Herbert killed them ten
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: for sixty three, most carries he's had in two years.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: But the defense is elite. It's something to feel great
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: about for a talent with fuck Buddy Ryan, you know,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: was should have been like the Hall of Fame. We
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: never won a playoff game. Vic Fangio is probably the
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: best assistant coach they've ever had. This is not a
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: shot at the late great Jim Johnson, who we absolutely loved.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Bick.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Fanjo is a absolute superstar. You know, Nick Foles has
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: a shrine. Maybe Fanjo gotta be right up this this dude,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: no matter what happens to the playoffs, this guy you
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: you you and I know a guy who used to
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: work with Vic called him a savant h I would
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: agree with that. This guy's yeah, it's incredible, Yeah, phenomenal.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Clint Hurt mentioned him too, the big fella. He's he's
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: what a great hire, What a great hire he was?
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And obviously Vic knowing hum he coached for Vic in Chicago.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: This is this is a really good staff. But to
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: summon up guys and gals, has got to get out
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: of his own way. Stop making excuses. It's your scheme.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: This and by the way, the the this has nothing
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: to do with scheme decision making about what to run
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: on this specific play. Formationally, look at what you're doing.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Take a step back. I know they don't have a
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: senior offensive assistant, which was a mistake. By the way,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: he needs to take a look at what he's doing here,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: because this this is you. You handed the game to
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the Bills. The Bill should have won the game.
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  Speaker 1: intentionally negative or even negative overall. It's sort of like
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  Speaker 1: when a parent scolds a child and says, I'm not
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: mad at you, I'm disappointed. Right. It's like, we see
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  Speaker 1: a team that has what we believe is at least
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  Speaker 1: in this game. I'm not gonna say every week, but
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  Speaker 1: this this game felt like you had boundless potential to
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  Speaker 1: put this game away and really come out of this
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  Speaker 1: feeling your oats, I mean feeling great about going up
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  Speaker 1: that you think that you got to bring your a
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  Speaker 1: viewing it, unfulfilling and showing you just how perilous that
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  Speaker 1: line could be. It didn't have to be that way.
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  Speaker 1: So it just means we have really good expectations for
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: what we think this Eagles team could at least be
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: or could have been in this game, and then they
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: let it slip. And we've seen that happen a couple
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: of times this year, and that that to me, is
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: just an unfortunate red flag.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: You ever hear the phrase people have to get out
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: of their own way? Yeah, Syrians getting Sirianni's got to
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: get out of his own way. It's just he has to.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: You could blame Patola all you want, and he's the
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: one that's calling them plays. Play selection was the issue
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: and it's and I'm not one of those you know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: after the after the game people, oh well, now you're
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: going to criticize him. No, because you and I are
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: texting like, no, throw the football. What are you doing?
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Throw the football? I see what you're doing. You said
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: it best. You think you have a four touchdown lead.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: You don't. You have less than two touchdowns. You're up
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: thirteen to nothing. Let's go throw the football. Spread the field,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: don't be scared. That's on Nick and that's you can. Again,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: you could blame Batulo, but it starts with the head
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: coach because he is say over that damn offense, and
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: that's the problem.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: And that's about it. All right, we did, We've wrapped
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: this game up. We've talked about everything there is to
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: talk about. Fortunately, No, there were some guys who left
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: the game but came back in. I think we saw
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Jael and Phillips leave, come back in. There was somebody
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: else who got yeah.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: So Covey Smith Smith, Avante Smith can yeah, because you're
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: hit it the the turf there might be hard. So
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: DeVante Smith on that catch no catch. He In fact,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: what happened was he was able to stay in the game.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think he missed the next play because it
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: went up to review and he the guy's unbelievable. He
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: stayed in Phillips. It was his left ankle.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Foot m h.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: What I did is because I was really okay, they
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: didn't give an update. I'm like, okay, what is going on.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go through the tape. So I'm going
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: through it since I taped it, I'm just going through it,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: going back and forth. I'm like, ah, there he is.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: He's getting he's cheering, and he's he's got his helmet
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: in his hand. He's fine. We're going to go back
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: in the game. Probably at some point. Oh, Covey. Okay,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Covey looked like he got Okay, that looked like his knee.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was rough.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: You slow it down. I look like it was his
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: squad squad. I agree, yeah, I thought I got it
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: hit his squad. It's and then, by the way, you know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: he was fine because on that next put, Attorney's going
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: out of his he had a good return. He's like Yeah,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: he's popping his fists. Yeah, that's as good news overall. Look,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: my job is to tell the truth. We're not cheer leaders.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: We call eating down the mill. We're not fans. Everybody knows.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: It's been with us for eight years. People just get
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: mad at us. We're not rooting for the Eagles, Like,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: would you listen to us? We're rooting for them. Come on, man,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: but we called down the middle. It is good for
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: a business when they win. Don't tell anybody, no, I.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Never heard of that. No, yeah no.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: But the bottom line is they're really good. They're a
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: good football team. The head coaches got to get his
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: own way, and you know what, they actually might go
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: deep in the playoffs if they could do that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: They really could, They really could. If they can get
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: out their own way.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Who's really better than them? Honestly, who's really better than them?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Seattle's got a great record, but they're not that good.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: No. I mean, I still think the Rams are the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: most complete team in football. I don't think they have
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: a better fifty three. But they've played better, more consistent
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: football and both sides ball than the Eagles all year long.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean the Eagles can't. Yes, yes, so
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: that is another thing, all right, real quick, just to
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: look ahead, because the Eagles are basically locked into the
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: three seeds and there'd have to be like a thousand
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: things happened for them to move to the two. And
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: as we're recording this part of.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: The well, by the way, Nick kind of he he
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: he gave seventy five percent in on the questions about
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: wrestling players. But well, you know, we might we have
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: an outside you know, we have a chance to get
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: the two. So he doesn't want to go there yet,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: but he acknowledged that there's really not much to play for. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but obviously if there is something to play for, that
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  Speaker 2: changes it. If not, they're wrestling everyone. I could tell
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  Speaker 2: you that's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: That will happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there was no buy, no reason, no, no Tanner McKee,
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  Speaker 2: the Tanner McKey heights out there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, Well we'll have everything covered. We'll have
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