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The Kenny Report | 19 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me so much to cram in Tonight,
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  Speaker 2: the energy debate heats up in the unofficial election campaign,
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Alberanezi not promising power price cuts anymore.
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  Speaker 3: With war raging again in Gaza, I'll.
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  Speaker 2: Share a chilling report into the Hamas atrocity against Israel
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  Speaker 2: that started this all ugly scenes outside of Sydney corters too,
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  Speaker 2: nurses face charges over alleged antisemitic threats. But there is
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  Speaker 2: some good news too today with a couple of astronauts
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  Speaker 2: stranded in space splashing back to Earth.
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  Speaker 4: And splashdown Crew nine back on Earth.
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  Speaker 2: Great staff. We'll get into that also, I'll cross to Israel.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be joined by Pauline Hansen and the Shadow Foreign
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  Speaker 2: Affairs Minister. Also the Wednesday wrangle with Liz Storer and
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  Speaker 2: Justin Smith.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get started as the election countdown continues.
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  Speaker 2: It's the cost of living and the intrinsically linked energy
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  Speaker 2: and electricity debates that dominated today, as they should. The
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  Speaker 2: Coalition has zeroed in on the vast Northwest she Off
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  Speaker 2: gas reserves off Western Australia.
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  Speaker 3: They need approval to expand their gas.
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  Speaker 2: Fields to keep valuable exports going, and after six years
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  Speaker 2: of bureaucratic process, they've finally won state government approval, but
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  Speaker 2: the FEDS are stalling, no doubt, pandering to Greens and
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  Speaker 2: Teals in the cities.
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  Speaker 3: Peter Dutton says there will be no delay if.
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  Speaker 5: He becomes Prime minister thrankfully, he's a prime minister that
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  Speaker 5: is against mining, and is against agriculture and is against development,
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  Speaker 5: and our announcement today to deal with the Northwest Shelf
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  Speaker 5: gas extension decision within thirty days should send a very
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  Speaker 5: clear message that our government would be a very different
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  Speaker 5: provide a very different future for West Australians than what
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  Speaker 5: Labor Green's government would do.
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Anthony Alberniezi was reminded of his Central election promise
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 6: Two reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five
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  Speaker 6: dollars two hundred and seventy five dollars a year. There'll
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  Speaker 6: be reduction for household of two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Well today, given that he's broken that promise three or
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  Speaker 2: four times over, with prices rising three or four times
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  Speaker 2: the size of his promised cut. The Prime Minister was
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  Speaker 2: asked if at this election he could promise to cut
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  Speaker 2: power prices or.
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  Speaker 3: Even just keep them at current levels. This was his response.
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  Speaker 6: We know that we have international impact of global inflation
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  Speaker 6: has had an impact. The Russian invasion of Ukraine had
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  Speaker 6: an impact on energy prices.
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  Speaker 2: Really, he's blaming a war that started before he made
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  Speaker 2: that promise, and he's blaming that when the gas prices
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  Speaker 2: it pushed up have long since come back down. And
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  Speaker 2: he's blaming that when his own renewable subsidies and grants
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  Speaker 2: and failed green hydrogen projects and expensive storage and transmission
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  Speaker 2: projects are adding billions of dollars to customers bills. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he always finds someone else to blame. He really doesn't
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  Speaker 2: accept any responsibility for anything, does he.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's their theme song, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: So let's get back to the crucial election questions that
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  Speaker 2: I started to our line the other week. I reckon
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  Speaker 2: it's time to complete that list and start hammering them
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  Speaker 2: home in the lead up to the budget and of
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  Speaker 2: course the official election campaign. First up is this question,
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  Speaker 2: are Australians better or worse off after three years of
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  Speaker 2: Albanesi labor government.
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  Speaker 3: That's the big one. And then related to it.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, has labor secured our power grid and cut
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  Speaker 2: electricity prices? Or has it made things worse? We know
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  Speaker 2: the answer and it's a clear broken promise. But also
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  Speaker 2: affecting the cost of living is labor constraining government spending,
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  Speaker 2: public service numbers and union power?
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  Speaker 3: They should be but are they?
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  Speaker 2: And on other issues, are Australia's national security, defense and
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  Speaker 2: immigration programs under control?
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  Speaker 3: Again?
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  Speaker 2: They need to be, but you tell me what you reckon?
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  Speaker 2: And then finally, have Albanesi and Labor taken response onsibility
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  Speaker 2: for their mistakes? And will their ministers turn up here
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  Speaker 2: and discuss their pitch for a second term?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Do they just deny their mistakes or accept responsibility for
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  Speaker 2: fixing them? And now, if they've got a case for reelection,
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  Speaker 2: why don't any of their ministers, not a single one,
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  Speaker 2: come onto this program and make out their case directly
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  Speaker 2: to you, our viewers. Now I might disagree with them
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  Speaker 2: in our interview, but I don't bite, and they would
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  Speaker 2: get their chance to make their case to you.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see if any turn up. But these are the
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  Speaker 3: questions I believe.
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  Speaker 2: Australians need to be asking themselves and the answers might
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  Speaker 2: be pretty depressing.
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  Speaker 3: With Israelia tax targeting Humas.
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  Speaker 2: Again in Gaza, we're being bombarded with the usual media
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  Speaker 2: coverage that tends to ignore the fact that Hamas still
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  Speaker 2: holds fifty nine hostages, only twenty four believe to be alive,
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  Speaker 2: and each one of them is representing a war crime
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  Speaker 2: for every one of the more than five hundred days
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  Speaker 2: they've been held by these Islamist extremist monsters.
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  Speaker 3: Much of the.
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  Speaker 2: Media coverage portrays Israel as the aggressor and suggests that
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  Speaker 2: all the people killed in these attacks are innocent civilians,
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  Speaker 2: when very clearly the Israeli defense forces are targeting and
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  Speaker 2: taking out Hummas terrorists. Undoubtedly there will be civilian casualties,
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  Speaker 2: which is tragic, and the fault for that clearly lies
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  Speaker 2: with Hummas, which deliberately started the war, deliberately hides among
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  Speaker 2: and imperil civilians, and although defeated, refuses to surrender and
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  Speaker 2: return hostages and give the Palestinian people a chance at peace.
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  Speaker 2: The horrendous, murderous intent of Hummas is so clear.
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  Speaker 3: That it astounds me every day.
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  Speaker 2: How we see people in Western countries mounting arguments and
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  Speaker 2: protests that lend support to the Hummas cause. Free people
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  Speaker 2: living in multicultural societies supporting an Islamist extremist terror group
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  Speaker 2: that wants genocide for Jews, the imposition of Islamic theocracy,
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  Speaker 2: the subjugation of women, the extermination of gays, and the
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  Speaker 2: annihilation of reason and democracy.
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  Speaker 3: How can Western liberals support.
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  Speaker 2: Any of this and excuse any of Hummas's actions. But
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  Speaker 2: that's what we see even here in Australia. So let
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  Speaker 2: me share with you an important report released today in
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  Speaker 2: Britain that will get too little attention from most media.
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  Speaker 2: The British Parliament's Israel Friendship Group has published its detailed
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  Speaker 2: report into the atrocities of October.
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  Speaker 3: Seventh, twenty twenty three. The report was chaired by.
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  Speaker 2: The esteemed historian Andrew Roberts, and he explained.
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  Speaker 3: Why it was needed in his foreword.
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  Speaker 2: Holocaust denial took a few years to take root in
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  Speaker 2: pockets of society, but on the seventh of October twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three, it took only hours for people to claim
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  Speaker 2: that the massacres in southern Israel had not taken place.
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  Speaker 2: Humas and its allies both in the Middle East and
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  Speaker 2: equally shamefully in the West have sought to deny the atrocities,
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  Speaker 2: despite the ironic fact that much of the evidence for
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  Speaker 2: the massacres derives from film footage from cameras carried by
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  Speaker 2: the terrorists themselves, though of course there is also much
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  Speaker 2: more from many other sources, says Andrew Roberts. Now I
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  Speaker 2: could show you horrific vision of what went on, not
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  Speaker 2: the worst of it, of course, on television, nowhere near
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  Speaker 2: the worst of it. Lord knows, I've seen too much
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  Speaker 2: of these horrors myself. But I won't show you anything today.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to highlight the forensic, factual words of
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  Speaker 2: this report because.
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  Speaker 3: They are stark enough. In fact, I can't read you
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  Speaker 3: the worst of them.
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  Speaker 2: The facts are just too traumatic, too horrific to be
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  Speaker 2: read on television.
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  Speaker 3: But a warning, even what you will hear from.
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  Speaker 2: Me will be distressing. Let's start with who was slaughtered
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  Speaker 2: and kidnapped. Women and children account for twenty seven percent
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  Speaker 2: of those killed during the attacks, and near enough to
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  Speaker 2: half of the hostages taken alive. That's three hundred and
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  Speaker 2: sixteen women and children killed and one hundred and two
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  Speaker 2: women and children taken.
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  Speaker 3: As hostages, respectively.
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  Speaker 2: The youngest victim was just fourteen hours old, her mother
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  Speaker 2: shot while driving to the hospital to give birth, and
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  Speaker 2: a bullet hitting the baby girl's leg in utero. The
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  Speaker 2: oldest victim was a ninety two year old Holocaust survivor.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and we know, of course.
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  Speaker 2: About the Bibas boys, Kafir and Ariel were killed along
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  Speaker 2: with their mother, Shiri. The boys were nine months old
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  Speaker 2: and four. Then there were the sexual atrocities. Reports detailed
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  Speaker 2: gang rapes, sexual mutilation, and assaults on both living and
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  Speaker 2: deceased victims. Yeah, they raped and defiled bodies. There was
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  Speaker 2: a pattern across various locations of fully naked or partially
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  Speaker 2: naked bodies from the waist down that were recovered, mostly
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  Speaker 2: women with hands tied and shot multiple times, often in
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  Speaker 2: the head. This was particularly prevalent at the Nova Music Festival. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I cannot recount here what was done to some of
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  Speaker 2: these women.
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  Speaker 3: It is just too appalling.
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  Speaker 2: Apart from sexual assaults, there were other mutilations, decapitations and
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  Speaker 2: attempted decapitations were uploaded to social media for at least
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  Speaker 2: three victims. Look, this stuff is beyond belief. It defies civilization,
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  Speaker 2: It defies what most of us consider it is to
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  Speaker 2: be human. You can google this report and read it
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  Speaker 2: in full if you need to, or perhaps there's some
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  Speaker 2: Hummus excuser you know, who needs to avail themselves of
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  Speaker 2: the facts. And then there was, of course the role
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  Speaker 2: of the United Nations Agency in Gaza.
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  Speaker 3: UNRA.
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  Speaker 2: The report notes that several UNRA employees have been identified
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  Speaker 2: by name as participating in the attack. It names them
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  Speaker 2: and it recounts their actions such as taking hostages and
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  Speaker 2: directing the murder of civilians at a bus shelter with grenades.
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  Speaker 2: And it adds that seven other individuals with ties to
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  Speaker 2: both UNRA and HUMMAS played various roles in the attacks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: un staff involved in these atrocities. Yet we had Australian politicians,
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  Speaker 2: including the Greens and the Teals, demanding Australian taxpayers dollars
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  Speaker 2: be sent to UNRA. Why why would anyone let alone
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  Speaker 2: a till like a Legra spender who has thousands of
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  Speaker 2: Jewish constituents. Why would they want our money going to
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  Speaker 2: UNRA when its staff have joined HUMMAS in rape, murder
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  Speaker 2: and hostage taking. And the report also probes the aims
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  Speaker 2: of Hummus, the objectives of all this, and they're the
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  Speaker 2: same as I've been explaining here since October twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 2: This is all obvious to anyone who cares to understand.
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  Speaker 2: The report explains that Hummas knew that military victory was unlikely,
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  Speaker 2: and therefore the attack sought to trigger a fierce Israeli
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  Speaker 2: retaliation which would isolate Israel internationally and create global outrage. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they wanted war, they wanted bloodshed, they wanted Palestinian deaths
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  Speaker 2: so that Israel would be criticized. And they got Palestinian deaths,
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  Speaker 2: and they still get them today. Humus call themselves a
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  Speaker 2: nation of martyrs, and they choose to make others martyrs
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  Speaker 2: at their will, Palestinian kids, Palestinian families.
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  Speaker 3: This is what Israel is dealing with.
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  Speaker 2: This is why Israel has only two options. Either eliminate
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  Speaker 2: Humas or expose its own people to more murder, more terror,
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  Speaker 2: and more atrocities. I'll have more on this issue later
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  Speaker 2: in the program, will cross alive to Israel, but for now,
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  Speaker 2: I want to go to David Coleman, who's the shadow
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  Speaker 2: Foreign Affairs Minister federally joining us live from Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, David. I want to go
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  Speaker 3: to another war zone.
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  Speaker 2: First up, and that is Ukraine where we've had this
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  Speaker 2: crucial phone call between President Donald Trump and the Russian
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  Speaker 2: President Putin. Disappointing outcoming that Putin seems to be resisting
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  Speaker 2: any effort towards.
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  Speaker 3: A complete cease fire at this stage.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a fair analysis, Chris. We should treat the
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  Speaker 8: words of Vladimir Putin with great skepticism. And to be
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  Speaker 8: Frankie hasn't even said a great deal as a result
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  Speaker 8: of this discussion. This doesn't help people on the front
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  Speaker 8: line in Ukraine who are getting pounded, whether it's near
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  Speaker 8: Kupian scor near Touretsk or wherever it might be. And
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  Speaker 8: Putin has a long history of not following through on agreements.
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  Speaker 8: The agreement here is around not hitting energy infrastructure, which
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  Speaker 8: they tend to be fairly sporadic attacks in any event,
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  Speaker 8: so we should treat it with skepticism. It's a long
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  Speaker 8: way from a peace agreement, and it's another reason why
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  Speaker 8: Anthony Albernizi's adventurism in saying that he wants to stand
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  Speaker 8: Australian troops needs to be held up to very close scrutiny.
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  Speaker 2: I'll come back to that, but the first time let's
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  Speaker 2: have a look at some of what Donald Trump had
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  Speaker 2: to say.
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  Speaker 9: And right now you have a lot of guns pointing
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  Speaker 9: at each other and the Ceasephire without going a little
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  Speaker 9: bit further, it would have been tough. Russia has the advantages,
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  Speaker 9: you know, we want to get it over with. Look,
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  Speaker 9: we're doing this. There are no Americans involved. There could
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  Speaker 9: be end up in World War three over this, which
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  Speaker 9: is so ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, strange things happen.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Donald Trump's been forced to adjust his timeline. Lives
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  Speaker 2: are being lost in the meantime. You mentioned the protection
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  Speaker 2: of energy assets. My understanding is that Ukraine has managed
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  Speaker 2: to hit some Russian energy assets and this would be
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  Speaker 2: put when they wants to protect the oil and gas
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  Speaker 2: reserves and facil of these because this is how he's paying.
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  Speaker 3: For his war.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's exactly right, Chris. And where I mean a
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  Speaker 8: real ceasefire is about ass of hostilities. It's about Russia
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  Speaker 8: stopped up firing artillery, stop sending drones, stop sending missiles.
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  Speaker 8: And that's not what's come out of these discussions. And
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  Speaker 8: as I said, anything that Putin said must be I
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  Speaker 8: should certainly not taken anywhere near face value. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: this is someone who's responsible for the deaths of many,
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  Speaker 8: many thousands of people. We all want peace, but we
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  Speaker 8: want a piece the respects of security and sovereignty of Ukraine.
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  Speaker 8: They have fought courageously. People thought that President Zelenski might
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  Speaker 8: flee when the conflict started. He did the opposite. He's
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  Speaker 8: deserving of our absolute support. But Putin's words should be
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  Speaker 8: treated with immense caution.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's go to.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albernizi's pledged to send peacekeepers to Ukraine. He seems
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  Speaker 2: to be walking back from that to some degree, saying
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  Speaker 2: there might be a small contribution. Obviously a lot of
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  Speaker 2: other European nations are talking about some sort of post
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  Speaker 2: ceasefire presence. Do you rule out any contribution at all
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  Speaker 2: by Australian Defense forces to any such mission. Look, look,
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  Speaker 2: we've made it clear that we're not supportive of putting
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  Speaker 2: boots on the ground, Chris.
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  Speaker 3: Look, there's a number of key reasons. I mean one
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  Speaker 3: of them here, Chris.
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  Speaker 8: In a peacekeeping scenario, as people like Mike Bizzullo and
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  Speaker 8: Peter Lay, the former Chief of Army have pointed out,
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  Speaker 8: any peacekeepers should we get to that stage, would be
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  Speaker 8: stationed near the line of demarcation, so to speak. So
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  Speaker 8: therefore within the range of Russian drones, of Russian missiles,
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  Speaker 8: of potentially of Russian artillery, and with a counterparty who
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  Speaker 8: cannot be trusted at all and has a history of
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  Speaker 8: breaching agreements a long way from Australia, and with of
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  Speaker 8: course Europe having about half a billion people to draw
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  Speaker 8: upon for such a force. So this isn't some you know,
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  Speaker 8: boys own adventure for Anthony Alberizi.
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  Speaker 3: This is a very sick, curious matter.
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  Speaker 8: We think where we need to focus in terms of
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  Speaker 8: our defense resources is here at home and in the
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  Speaker 8: Indo Pacific region, where the government has dropped the ball
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  Speaker 8: in terms of defense. And we'll have more to say
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  Speaker 8: about that in the weeks ahead. But an issue to it,
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  Speaker 8: deploy Australian troops has to be approached with great maturity
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  Speaker 8: and Anthony Albaneze is not doing that at all, and
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  Speaker 8: that's why it's been called out by Peter Lay and
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  Speaker 8: by Mike Pazulo and by several others.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you were to win the election, presumably
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  Speaker 2: the first call you would get from your British counterpart
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  Speaker 2: would be asking you to contribute to you would give
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  Speaker 2: them a flatno to any form of assistance.
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  Speaker 8: Well, look, look again, the statements that we've made, Chris,
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  Speaker 8: are in relation to putting troops into that area.
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  Speaker 3: We've said that we're not supportive of that.
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  Speaker 8: Irony here is that the government is dragging the chain
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  Speaker 8: on supporting Ukraine in many other ways, and yet the
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  Speaker 8: Prime ministers off on this throlic in relation to putting
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  Speaker 8: Australian troops in harm's way. We promised back in October
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  Speaker 8: to provide forty nine ABRAMS tanks. Australia did. They're still waiting.
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  Speaker 8: Ukraine asked for coal from the Alberanzi government, they didn't
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  Speaker 8: provide it. Taipan helicopters, we didn't provide those helicopters, and extraordinarily, Chris,
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  Speaker 8: we kept Australia kept its embassy closed in Kiev for
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  Speaker 8: three years under Anthony Alberanzi. So on the one hand,
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  Speaker 8: the government was saying it was too dangerous to have
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  Speaker 8: a diplomat diplomat in Kiev, but on another is taking
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  Speaker 8: a somewhat cavalier approach in terms of putting troops in
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  Speaker 8: harm's way. So we're very supportive of provision of defense
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  Speaker 8: material and other material, and that's where we think the
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  Speaker 8: focus should be.
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  Speaker 2: Good point shameful the way we haven't had that embassy stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, David. Hopefully we can catch you
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  Speaker 2: again before the election. David Coleman there, who's now the
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  Speaker 2: Shadow of Foreign Affairs Minister.
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  Speaker 3: I want to go to Pauline.
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  Speaker 2: Hanson now who joins us from Cairns in Queensland. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for joining us, Pauline. I want to go straight to
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  Speaker 2: one of your key issues, and that is immigration. We're
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  Speaker 2: seeing reports about possible coalition policy going into the election
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  Speaker 2: on foreign students and that is putting some hard caps
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  Speaker 2: on universities over the number of foreign students that are
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  Speaker 2: allowing into the country.
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  Speaker 3: This is important, isn't it, because this.
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  Speaker 2: Has become one of the backdoor ways by which we
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  Speaker 2: get much higher immigration rates than any government seems to
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  Speaker 2: plan for.
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  Speaker 10: That's absolutely correct, Chris.
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  Speaker 11: In February they brought in about two hundred thousand foreign
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  Speaker 11: students in the country. It's unsustainable and we can't do it.
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  Speaker 11: A lot of these students actually don't spend a lot
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  Speaker 11: of time at universities. But to tell you that these
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  Speaker 11: students here, foreign students in Australia that come here to
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  Speaker 11: the extent that they can send back eleven billion dollars
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  Speaker 11: a year to the respective countries, so they're working some
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  Speaker 11: money back.
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  Speaker 12: They use it as a backdoor to.
• 21:09
  Speaker 11: Get into permanent residency into the country. It has to
• 21:12
  Speaker 11: be reviewed, has to be looked. At one stage we
• 21:15
  Speaker 11: had over seven hundred thousand foreign students in Australia. Who's
• 21:19
  Speaker 11: profiting out of this is the universities, and still we
• 21:22
  Speaker 11: prop them up and we pay a lot of taxes
• 21:24
  Speaker 11: to them. Universities were built for the Australian students. That's
• 21:28
  Speaker 11: why I like to see utilized for Australian kids to
• 21:31
  Speaker 11: go into the universities. They shouldn't be there as a
• 21:33
  Speaker 11: business side end of town for foreign students.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: You've got to wait and see the detail on that.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: The Coalition also talking about adding to the character tesk
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: and asking people about anti Semitism. Now, I don't know
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: whether you ask someone whether they are any Semitic they're
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: actually going to say yes, I am. But it shows
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: that the people are at least concerned about some of
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the characters we're allowing into the country.
• 22:00
  Speaker 11: It does, and we've seen that over the years. The
• 22:02
  Speaker 11: people that we brought out here, especially ones that you
• 22:05
  Speaker 11: know come here, they don't assimilate into our country. We
• 22:10
  Speaker 11: know that also, Chris from the people from the people
• 22:13
  Speaker 11: from the countries that apply to come here to Australia.
• 22:16
  Speaker 11: Like we've seen with Ghaza. You don't bring people out
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: from Gaza when seventy five percent of them support and
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: back commuss why would you bring those type of people
• 22:24
  Speaker 11: out into the country. I've spoken about the makeup of
• 22:27
  Speaker 11: people where they come from. We don't have a strong
• 22:30
  Speaker 11: enough allegiance in our citizenship both that people give to Australia.
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: You know, to give our citizenship within four years, I
• 22:36
  Speaker 11: think that's ridiculous in itself. People must prove themselves and
• 22:40
  Speaker 11: I wouldn't hand out citizenship as Willie Nelly as we do.
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: I think we need to toughen up our rules and
• 22:46
  Speaker 11: regulations before we allow people to become citizens of Australia.
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: We need to toughen.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Up just briefly and the lead up to the election.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: You've been a tried and tested political brand over many decades.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Now in many elections, you've hold about five percent nationally
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: at the last federal poll. Current polling has you seven
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: to nine percent, you know, possibly getting close to doubling
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: your vote. This means that you're going to be even
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: more important with your preferences around the country. Do you
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: expect that you're going to help deliver a lot more
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: liberal seats, a lot more Coalition seats to the Coalition
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: come election day?
• 23:22
  Speaker 11: Well, I am a conservative at heart, and the Labor
• 23:25
  Speaker 11: Party's policies don't endear me to actually want to support them,
• 23:29
  Speaker 11: because I think that the Labor Party's policy, especially on
• 23:32
  Speaker 11: the cost of living, the renewables, this is actually destroying
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: the economy and prosperity of the nation. And also they've
• 23:39
  Speaker 11: done nothing about industries manufacturing, lowering the cost of electricity.
• 23:43
  Speaker 11: How could I possibly support that? They then with the
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: bed with the Greens. There's no Greens policy that I
• 23:49
  Speaker 11: really do support anyway, But it is very important. Although
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: people can vote for whoever they want you in the
• 23:55
  Speaker 11: lower House, what's important that to give one nation the
• 23:58
  Speaker 11: vote in the upper House in the center because therefore
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: we can look at the legislation. Darnton is going to
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: need all these systems from one nation because depend on
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: the number of seats that they have. Are to you why,
• 24:08
  Speaker 11: because I've seen in the Senate. The progressives of the
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: Liberal Party back that don't back common sense policies. So
• 24:15
  Speaker 11: Dunton's going to have an issue with some of his
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: progressives in the Senate. That's where he needs one nation
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: to back him for his legislation coming through.
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: Reckon suggest to people you want to back one nation.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I reckon, you trade a couple of you guys for
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: a couple of them any day. WI shall see. Thanks
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: for joining us, Pauline. I appreciate it. Pauling there up
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: in their cans. That looks splendid up there, doesn't it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break. On the other side,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about these ugly scenes outside the
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Cydney cauters. Those two nurses faced charges over the allegedly
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: anti Semitic threats. Sky News reporter Caroline Marcus was right
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: in the thick of it, and she'll join me next.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: The Sydney nurse charged over that viral video in which
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: he boasted of killing Israeli patients will plead not guilty
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: on the basis he had not consented to being recorded. Now,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: our senior reporter Caroline Marcus was in the court today
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: and she joins me now take us through what happened
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: in court, Caroline.
• 25:14
  Speaker 13: Well, it was a very brief mention in court, Chris.
• 25:17
  Speaker 13: It was the first court appearance for both of these nurses,
• 25:22
  Speaker 13: Ahmed Rashad Nadir and his co accused Sarah Abu Lebdey.
• 25:28
  Speaker 13: It was all over in a matter of minutes inside
• 25:30
  Speaker 13: the courtroom. But outside the courtroom there was a little
• 25:33
  Speaker 13: bit of a surprise as mister Nadir's lawyer revealed that
• 25:38
  Speaker 13: his fine intended to plead not guilty on legal and
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: technical grounds.
• 25:43
  Speaker 12: A little bit of.
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: A surprise given he was caught on video. But this
• 25:47
  Speaker 13: is how they say they plan to be defending the case.
• 25:50
  Speaker 12: Take a look, mister, do.
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: You have anything to say? How do you intend to plead?
• 25:56
  Speaker 14: My client will be pleading not guilty to the charges
• 26:00
  Speaker 14: on what.
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: Basis is he pleading not guilty? Was caught on the video.
• 26:03
  Speaker 14: He'll be defending the matter on legal and technical grounds.
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: Can you expand on that? What kind of grounds? What
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: legal grounds?
• 26:12
  Speaker 14: The video which was captured and recorded was done without
• 26:16
  Speaker 14: the consent of my client, without his knowledge, and we
• 26:20
  Speaker 14: will argue for that to be excluded.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an extraordinary twist Caroline, because the substance of
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: the allegations, if you like, that, have created all the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: heat in public debate and led to the charges I
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: suppose are not tested.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: On these grounds.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: It's a technicality that would be tested.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Tell us whether the other nurses is using the same defense.
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: Well, Sarah Abu Lebde didn't answer the questions that I
• 26:48
  Speaker 13: put to her whether she plans to enter the same.
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: Plea as her co accused.
• 26:53
  Speaker 13: In fact, she had nothing to say outside court at all,
• 26:57
  Speaker 13: in contrast to plenty of what she had to say
• 27:01
  Speaker 13: in the video in which she had said that she
• 27:05
  Speaker 13: would kill Annie Israeli, who presented at Bankstown Hospital where
• 27:11
  Speaker 13: she and mister Nada was working, and there were chaotic
• 27:14
  Speaker 13: scenes outside. Called Chris, she was flanked by about half
• 27:19
  Speaker 13: a dozen big, burly men, most of whom were wearing
• 27:23
  Speaker 13: black hoodies. They sheltered her from the media. That was
• 27:28
  Speaker 13: quite a bit of push and shove after her court
• 27:31
  Speaker 13: appearance as they tried to protect her from our cameras.
• 27:36
  Speaker 12: Take a look.
• 28:05
  Speaker 13: Now after that clip that video chat with Israeli influencer
• 28:10
  Speaker 13: Max Fifo went.
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: Viral last month.
• 28:14
  Speaker 13: The two nurses were charged with a number of offenses
• 28:17
  Speaker 13: Ms Lebda was charged with threatening violence to a group,
• 28:20
  Speaker 13: using a carriage service to threaten to kill, and using
• 28:24
  Speaker 13: a carriage service to menace, harass, or offend, while mister
• 28:28
  Speaker 13: Nada was charged with using a carriage service to menace, harass,
• 28:31
  Speaker 13: or offend and possessing a prohibited drug. Now that second
• 28:36
  Speaker 13: charge he's facing is in relation to a vial of
• 28:40
  Speaker 13: morphine that police allegedly found in his hospital locker.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Caroline, disturbing scenes. They're just white people have to
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: have the hoodies and the sunglasses and surround their friend
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: or colleague outside. The corter is beyond me. There was
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: pushing and shoving with the media. I've got to say,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I'd my you. You were there in the thick of it,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: asking the appropriate questions. Did you feel intimidated at all?
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Or was it just all in the day's work.
• 29:10
  Speaker 13: It's all in a day's work. I'm a former current
• 29:13
  Speaker 13: Affairs show reporter. It's our kind of bread and butter.
• 29:17
  Speaker 13: We don't get intimidated easily. But you could see that
• 29:19
  Speaker 13: it was clearly an attempt to try to intimidate us,
• 29:23
  Speaker 13: as the media not that easily put off.
• 29:27
  Speaker 12: It also seemed counterproductive.
• 29:30
  Speaker 13: We'd already seen her face clearly on that video that
• 29:34
  Speaker 13: has gone viral. We'll continue to show that video as
• 29:37
  Speaker 13: long as we're legally able to.
• 29:39
  Speaker 12: So it just didn't seem.
• 29:40
  Speaker 13: To have much point to it. It just creates more
• 29:44
  Speaker 13: dramatic scenes for the media to show. Really, But for
• 29:47
  Speaker 13: these two, that bail will continue. They've been granted continued
• 29:52
  Speaker 13: strict conditional bail. They can't leave the country, they can't.
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: Use social media.
• 29:56
  Speaker 13: Their case will return to court here at Downing cent
• 30:00
  Speaker 13: in eight weeks time.
• 30:01
  Speaker 12: Police have asked for a delay to prepare.
• 30:04
  Speaker 13: A brief of evidence against them, but they're excused from
• 30:07
  Speaker 13: having to appear in person themselves then, so we won't.
• 30:11
  Speaker 12: See these sorts of scenes next time.
• 30:13
  Speaker 13: If they've found guilty, they faced a maximum ten years imprisonment.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Caroline, great reporting all day, and thanks so much for
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: staying back for us.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it, Caroline Marcus.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: This guy News a senior reporter, has been all over
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: that case all day, as you saw right in the
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: thick of that ugly action outside court. Let's return to
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the Middle East now, and Israel has launched that series
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: of attacks on Gaza, which they say are not a
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: one day attack but they actually mark a return to
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: the military.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Operation in Gaza. Here's the latest from Fox News.
• 30:45
  Speaker 15: Overnight, Israel resumed its war against Tomas, launching a series
• 30:49
  Speaker 15: of bombardments across the Gaza strip.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: The acting head of.
• 30:52
  Speaker 15: Hamas's political office, several mid level commanders, and the top
• 30:57
  Speaker 15: spokesman for Palestinian Islamic Jihad Killed I.
• 31:01
  Speaker 16: Have promised you many times, if Hamas persists in its
• 31:04
  Speaker 16: refusal and does not release our hostages, we will return
• 31:07
  Speaker 16: to fighting, and indeed we return to fighting. We return
• 31:11
  Speaker 16: to fighting with force.
• 31:12
  Speaker 15: Israeli officials are now threatening to expand the renewed campaign
• 31:16
  Speaker 15: against Gaza if Hamas doesn't agree to release the remaining
• 31:20
  Speaker 15: fifty nine hostages held inside the enclave. Twenty four of
• 31:24
  Speaker 15: them are believed to be alive, including American citizen Idan Alexander.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Let's go again to Gerald Steinberg, who's professor of politics
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: at Bailan University, joins US live from Jerusalem.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, Gerald, did I.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Was surprised that so many people express surprise about these attacks.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: So many ultimatums have been laid down from Israel and
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump that Hamas needed to hand over hostages.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: They continue to hold fifty nine people, each one of
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: them a war crime, every one of the five hundred
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: days and more that I've been held captive.
• 32:00
  Speaker 17: I think that's exactly the point that Hamas also seemed
• 32:03
  Speaker 17: to have been taken in by the press coverage, by
• 32:06
  Speaker 17: the sense that Israel was going to be restrained, that
• 32:08
  Speaker 17: the negotiations were going to continue according to Hamas's rules.
• 32:12
  Speaker 17: And we saw the torture for each one of the
• 32:14
  Speaker 17: hostages that was released, including the dead bodies of the babies,
• 32:18
  Speaker 17: children that had been executed, and the way in which
• 32:21
  Speaker 17: Hamas led had a big ceremony and really added to
• 32:26
  Speaker 17: the heenous images.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Of the war crimes that we saw.
• 32:29
  Speaker 17: So the whole process of this ceasefire and handing over
• 32:33
  Speaker 17: of hostages and release of terrorists by Israel, Hamas exploited that,
• 32:37
  Speaker 17: and I think they just were over confident they could
• 32:39
  Speaker 17: get away with it forever they'd get international support. Israel
• 32:42
  Speaker 17: has the advantage of catching Kamas off guard. They thought
• 32:46
  Speaker 17: that they were able to regroup, to be able to
• 32:48
  Speaker 17: restore their capabilities. Terrorists were monitored carefully by Israel, and
• 32:53
  Speaker 17: we saw the results in the last couple of days
• 32:55
  Speaker 17: this is a renewal of the conflict that started on
• 32:57
  Speaker 17: October seventh for those terrible attacks.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Israel's going to be is very determined, and they've said
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: it very.
• 33:02
  Speaker 17: Clearly, to destroy Hamas's capability to wage war and to
• 33:06
  Speaker 17: execute these types of attacks again in the future.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Now, the propaganda coming out of Hamas, so often repeated
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: by the media, says four hundred people have been killed,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: and they give you the impression that most of them
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: are civilians. Now, tragically, it would be likely.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: That some civilians have been killed here.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: But do we know whether the Israelis have taken out
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: more Humas leaders.
• 33:27
  Speaker 17: There are some very specific names of Kamas leaders that
• 33:31
  Speaker 17: escaped for the first I guess so sixteen months of
• 33:34
  Speaker 17: fighting after October seventh, and thought that they were safe,
• 33:38
  Speaker 17: and therefore they were They surfaced and Israel took out
• 33:41
  Speaker 17: a large number of them. We don't know how many
• 33:44
  Speaker 17: of the people that were killed or wounded in the
• 33:46
  Speaker 17: last since October seventh in Gaza were civilians and how
• 33:50
  Speaker 17: many of them were Hummas fighters. But the estimates are
• 33:52
  Speaker 17: that at least half are terrorists that were killed. That's
• 33:55
  Speaker 17: a very very low number relative to many other wars.
• 33:59
  Speaker 17: Of civil millions that were killed, and that Israel's following
• 34:02
  Speaker 17: the same policies, very precise attacks to take out the
• 34:05
  Speaker 17: people who have been rebuilding Hamas's terror machine. That's very important.
• 34:10
  Speaker 17: Let's remember they were underground, they were in these huge
• 34:13
  Speaker 17: tunnels that were built stolen from international aid.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: That's all part of what Israel needs to finish. They
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: need to finish the job, but just briefly.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: And the reason that some in Israel will be objecting
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: to this escalation of the war again is the fears
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: about the hostages fifty nine held mainly dead already twenty
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: four we.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Believe are alive.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: There must be a lot of fear in Israel right
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: now that those hostages could be killed by Hamasa in
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: a retaliatory action.
• 34:41
  Speaker 17: There is a lot of fear of that, and Israel's
• 34:43
  Speaker 17: made it very clear. Prime Minister Nitanyahoo and the other
• 34:46
  Speaker 17: officials who have planned and run this campaign have said,
• 34:49
  Speaker 17: if Hamas stops playing the game of torturing the remaining
• 34:53
  Speaker 17: hostages and lets them all out, agrees to a reasonable
• 34:56
  Speaker 17: set of terms very quickly, Israel will stop this renewed offens.
• 35:00
  Speaker 17: Israel has been willing to pay a price to get
• 35:02
  Speaker 17: the hostages back. It's very, very painful, particularly for the
• 35:06
  Speaker 17: families and their supporters.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: All of Israelis feel this pain.
• 35:10
  Speaker 17: So if HUMMAS starts behaving in the way that it
• 35:12
  Speaker 17: should have been doing, it should never have taken the hostages,
• 35:15
  Speaker 17: should never have launched this terrible attack. But they now
• 35:18
  Speaker 17: need to realize that if they want to survive at all,
• 35:21
  Speaker 17: if Hummas, any of the HUMMAS leadership, wants to survive,
• 35:24
  Speaker 17: it's got to release the hostages immediately. No more playing
• 35:28
  Speaker 17: of these games that we've seen. And I think that
• 35:30
  Speaker 17: message is very clear.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Gerald, thanks so much for joining us again. Gerald Steinberg
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: there from Barralin University, live from Jerusalem. Now let's get
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: the same good news again. We do need some good
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: news every now and then. We've got a dose of
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: it today. We've talked before about those astronauts stranded on
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: the International Space Station.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Well I finally made it back to our planet.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Anita Williams and Butch Wilmore only planned to be in
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: space for a week, but technical failures saw to pay
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: us stranded a bit like David Bowie's Major Tom floating in.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Their tin can for two hundred and eighty six days.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: They were eventually rescued this week by one of Elon
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Musk's SpaceX rockets, and they returned today in a Dragon capsule.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: And that view is from the WB fifty seven, which
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: is one of NASA's high altitude planes. There you are
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: getting a great view of Crew nine inside Dragon Freedom
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: as it returns back to Earth.
• 36:26
  Speaker 10: And we're going to stand by for splashdown located in
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: the Gulf of America off the coast of Tallahassee, Florida.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: And splashdown Crew nine back on Earth.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Just spectacular stuff at a great relief. Of course, let's
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: go to astrophysicist Brad Taka in Canberra, who we've caught
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: up with before on this issue.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us again, Brad. Look, there's been.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: All sorts of baji baggie about competing types of rockets
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: and what should have been down on when, But obviously
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: scyfety was always paramount. And while I was taking a while,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: the fact that the back Sifeley sort of indicates the
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: action that was Tyke and I suppose, yeah very much.
• 37:15
  Speaker 18: Show Yeah, I was just thinking, it feels like yesterday
• 37:18
  Speaker 18: we were talking about when they were up there.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Doesn't feel like yesterday.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: For them, and as you said.
• 37:22
  Speaker 18: It was all about how do you get home them
• 37:24
  Speaker 18: safe and reliable? And as we saw that that splashdown
• 37:28
  Speaker 18: was perfect. Dolphins e've actually even greeted the capsule later.
• 37:32
  Speaker 18: It was a really like picturesque moment, and they so
• 37:35
  Speaker 18: far at all tents and purposes, they're healthy, they have
• 37:39
  Speaker 18: the normal side effects of space travel. But as you said,
• 37:41
  Speaker 18: kind of relieved and proved the point and in fact
• 37:43
  Speaker 18: actually proves the whole point of this whole program. When
• 37:46
  Speaker 18: NASA defunded the shuttle program, it wasn't popular, but this
• 37:50
  Speaker 18: is actually a George Bush decision, and he essentially said,
• 37:53
  Speaker 18: let's not run this, Let's open it up to the
• 37:55
  Speaker 18: commercial sector. Let's have multiple options so that if something
• 37:59
  Speaker 18: does go, we can reconfigure and get them home safely.
• 38:02
  Speaker 18: That wasn't an option with a Space Shuttle, and as
• 38:05
  Speaker 18: we saw this morning, is now an option in today's
• 38:08
  Speaker 18: world with SpaceX and other companies.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just brilliant. You mentioned the dolphins.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know whether we got pictures of that, but
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: while the capsule was floating there though, waiting to load
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: it onto the ship, there are dolphins splashing around, which which.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Kind of reminded me of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I wonder whether I was saying farewell and thanks for
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: the fish, but it was beautiful.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I just want to go back to last.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Year, though, and when we caught up and talked to
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: at the beginning of this saga, when that'd been stranded
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: for just a couple of weeks. We heard we had
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: a you know, just another incredible feat of technology. We
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: do a press conference from the space station and here's
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: what the astronauts had to say.
• 38:45
  Speaker 19: Then we are having a great time here on ISS,
• 38:48
  Speaker 19: you know. Butch and I have been up here before,
• 38:50
  Speaker 19: and it feels like coming back home. It feels good
• 38:53
  Speaker 19: to float around, It feels good to be in space
• 38:55
  Speaker 19: and work up here with the International Space Station team.
• 38:58
  Speaker 19: So yeah, it's great to be up here. So I'm
• 39:00
  Speaker 19: not complaining, Butch's and complaining that we're here for a
• 39:02
  Speaker 19: couple of weeks, extra weeks.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: A couple of extra weeks.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: But my rationing from the time of that interview, it
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: was another thirty six weeks.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Tell us, Brad, what they would have done with that time.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I think you told us last time that they would
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: have been loaded up with extra work and perhaps experiments
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: to conduct while they were there.
• 39:20
  Speaker 18: Yeah, very much show so, you know, kind of during
• 39:22
  Speaker 18: those initial couple months, but they're still trying to fix
• 39:24
  Speaker 18: the Boeing capsule. They did extra work on the capsule,
• 39:28
  Speaker 18: they did extra experiments on board. You know, there was
• 39:30
  Speaker 18: two extra pairs of hands, so they chipped in. And
• 39:33
  Speaker 18: as we just heard from Sunny, they had been there before,
• 39:35
  Speaker 18: so they kind of knew what they were doing. But
• 39:37
  Speaker 18: then once NASA made the decision to do the reshuffle
• 39:40
  Speaker 18: and have the Starliner come down empty, send the Crew
• 39:43
  Speaker 18: nine up with only two people, and have Butcher and
• 39:46
  Speaker 18: Sony join the Crew nine mission as those other two astronauts,
• 39:50
  Speaker 18: they immediately then started to have to do the sixth
• 39:53
  Speaker 18: month mission of Crew nine, and that had lots of
• 39:56
  Speaker 18: planned experiments in research, so they had to learn what
• 39:58
  Speaker 18: to do. You know, the ASH usually prepare for those
• 40:01
  Speaker 18: for months ahead of their spaceflight.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: They had weeks to do it on board.
• 40:05
  Speaker 18: So they were definitely kept busy for that kind of
• 40:07
  Speaker 18: six months when most of their work was normal routine,
• 40:11
  Speaker 18: but then they had that in between. But there's also
• 40:13
  Speaker 18: kind of just this waiting game. As we heard back
• 40:15
  Speaker 18: in that original clip of you know, when will they
• 40:18
  Speaker 18: come home? They said, you know, we're up here a
• 40:19
  Speaker 18: couple of extra weeks, as you said, and it turned
• 40:21
  Speaker 18: out to be thirty six weeks. You know, I don't
• 40:24
  Speaker 18: know what's longer.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: That are the dragging out of the election.
• 40:27
  Speaker 18: At this point, it feels like it's just kind of
• 40:29
  Speaker 18: when where they come home?
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: But they did.
• 40:31
  Speaker 18: They got home safely, and they did a lot of
• 40:34
  Speaker 18: important research along the way.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know their politics, but they might come back
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: find out Trump's president again and want to go back.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: You know, thanks for joining us, Brett, I really appreciate it.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Doctor Brad Taka the the astrophysicist from Canberra. I love
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: of his mastery of the detail and enthusiasm for the topic.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Great news today, just wonderful, wonderful news, and it's amazing
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: what humankind can achieve and we turn our minds to
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: positive things. He let's have a break on the other
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: side of the Wednesday Wrangle. We're going to talk about
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: just a story that will amaze your socks off about
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: public servants, where they choose to live and who gets
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: to pay them. Let's get wrangling with a Liz Astorer
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: from the Late Debate comes in early for us. Good
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: to see you, Liz and Justin Smith, author broadcaster man
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: about Melbourne.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Johns us from there.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Tell us this one, Justin, there's a story out today
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: that tells us that more than half of voters blame
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the Alberanzi labor government for their increased power prices.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Well, what are the others blaming?
• 41:43
  Speaker 20: That figure doesn't astound me much at all, and it
• 41:45
  Speaker 20: clearly doesn't astound the two of you. But that's Hey,
• 41:49
  Speaker 20: that's what the election campaign is for. I guess it
• 41:52
  Speaker 20: shows you how big energy is going to be for
• 41:54
  Speaker 20: the campaign, isn't it. Anthony Albanesi will need to come
• 41:57
  Speaker 20: up with something, and you would hope that the other
• 41:59
  Speaker 20: side I will come up with something as well, to
• 42:03
  Speaker 20: see what that can fix, because the worst thing would
• 42:04
  Speaker 20: be is that we have an election, somebody new gets
• 42:07
  Speaker 20: in and the situation doesn't change. You would think that
• 42:11
  Speaker 20: would be the nightmare scenario, wouldn't it.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't think that'll happen.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: We've got to promise to cut electricity prices and lots
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: of renewable transmission storage action green hydro billions of dollars
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: a throw now, of course, Albniz's going to be blamed.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I would have thought it would be ninety nine point
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: nine percent of people would blame Albow.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Everyone except Albo.
• 42:35
  Speaker 21: Everybody else isn't doing the math and certainly doesn't pay
• 42:37
  Speaker 21: any attention to the news. But is this going to
• 42:41
  Speaker 21: translate at the polls? And I really don't think it will,
• 42:44
  Speaker 21: because even of those who blame him, who knows how
• 42:48
  Speaker 21: many of those people are true believers when it comes
• 42:51
  Speaker 21: to the green energy, green hydrogen, whatever you want to
• 42:54
  Speaker 21: call it, dreams, Because these people have been hoodwinked into
• 42:57
  Speaker 21: believing that this is a necessary evil, these high power prices,
• 43:01
  Speaker 21: and it's just temporary till we push through this rocky
• 43:04
  Speaker 21: transitional phase. So you've got Minister Bowen energy minister still
• 43:09
  Speaker 21: claiming no, no, we're on track. This is all happening,
• 43:12
  Speaker 21: even while Victoria, the most passionately green state in our nation,
• 43:17
  Speaker 21: is saying, Hey, we're going to do a U turn
• 43:19
  Speaker 21: on this whole closing down the call fired power station
• 43:22
  Speaker 21: in the Patrol Valley. That's going to be you have
• 43:25
  Speaker 21: to keep up and running for another four years, and
• 43:27
  Speaker 21: who knows that it'll probably be extended after those four years.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: But people every.
• 43:32
  Speaker 21: Energy company under the sun here in Australia is saying, hey,
• 43:36
  Speaker 21: none of these are feasible.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: We can't do it. It's not happened.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: So I think the other point of the politics here
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: is that, yeah, voters are ropable about it, as they
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: should be, but they also know it's not going to
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: be fixed tomorrow. And to Justin's point, you, I'm a
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: big believer in nuclear energy and the only way you
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: can have reliable and affordable power in this country and
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: emissions free is nuclear. There is no other way. It's
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: just the engineering facts. But that's not going to happen tomorrow.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: It's going to be another ten, fifteen, twenty years of
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: pain before you get there. And that brings us to
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Liz mentioned this your Lawn story. I know the Victorian
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: government's flat out denying this now, saying they're not going
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: to extend the life of the Lawn coal fired power station.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Well that begs the other question. And if they're not
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: going to extend its life, how on earth is Victoria
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: going to power itself beyond twenty twenty eight.
• 44:28
  Speaker 20: Yeah, this one's still getting worked out, isn't it, As
• 44:30
  Speaker 20: to whether where the truth kind of lies on whether
• 44:32
  Speaker 20: they're keeping it open or not keeping it open. Then
• 44:34
  Speaker 20: the real danger in it was not, I mean not
• 44:37
  Speaker 20: the overall philosophy that we need to be heading towards renewables.
• 44:42
  Speaker 20: The biggest problems seemed to be is that they were
• 44:44
  Speaker 20: putting a date on it, and whenever they put it out, Look,
• 44:47
  Speaker 20: have we ever seen anybody on either side of politics
• 44:50
  Speaker 20: stick a date on something and it works out? Honestly,
• 44:53
  Speaker 20: can the two of you ever remember that happening. I'd
• 44:56
  Speaker 20: probably their biggest their biggest problem, well, one of their
• 44:59
  Speaker 20: biggest just.
• 45:00
  Speaker 21: Wanted you just be reasonable and say as soon as possible,
• 45:04
  Speaker 21: we'll do this instead of forcing it. And everyone's having
• 45:08
  Speaker 21: blackouts all around outs and.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: They're hopeless, all of them do it. Yeah, well we
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: keep voting for them, and so we're all part of
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: the problem.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Let me just show you, Jemmy quickly, in case you
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: wanted solar energy to save the bacon in Victoria. Just
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: noticed there was a fire at a solar farm. So
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: they checked out another bunch of solar factories and they
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: had to shut five of them down.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: For safety reasons. So that's going pretty well. Let's go
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: to the New South Wales Public Service.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: This just astounds me is the New South Wales Public
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Service has seven thousand.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: People who are working outside of New south Wales like live.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: A nooser and take your paper check from the New
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: South Wales taxpayers.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Indeed, and their travel.
• 45:49
  Speaker 21: Costs in many cases are covered by the taxpayers.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: So when they do come into.
• 45:55
  Speaker 21: The office into state as you like, is the taxpayers
• 45:59
  Speaker 21: who knows? It's probably business class knowing how this government
• 46:02
  Speaker 21: spends our money. But what's really curious about this is,
• 46:06
  Speaker 21: of course this was started by the trend because the
• 46:09
  Speaker 21: government decided.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: To lock up millions of the working home stuff.
• 46:13
  Speaker 21: And this is the extremes to which we find it.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 46:16
  Speaker 21: The question is some of these must be really, really
• 46:20
  Speaker 21: valuable employees.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: You've got to.
• 46:22
  Speaker 21: Think that the state government is happy to put up
• 46:26
  Speaker 21: with the inconvenience of having this particular skill set into state.
• 46:30
  Speaker 21: But you wouldn't imagine seven thousand of them the guns like,
• 46:40
  Speaker 21: we couldn't find this skill set within the state.
• 46:44
  Speaker 12: We'll give this guy a go.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: It's working for us. But the sheer numbers are I
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: think I think they have an a end of us.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: What I want to know, Justin, is who on the
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: earth decides to have a good job with the New
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: South Wales Public Service and move from the sunny beaches
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: of Sydney to miserable old calling little album.
• 47:01
  Speaker 20: Oh this is outrageous sort of talk. I was actually
• 47:05
  Speaker 20: going to say, who the hell would live in New
• 47:07
  Speaker 20: South Wales and a job? That's fine, but do you
• 47:11
  Speaker 20: really have to live there? Do you really have to
• 47:14
  Speaker 20: live in New South Well? But this is this is
• 47:17
  Speaker 20: kind of astounding, isn't it that you would work for
• 47:20
  Speaker 20: a state yet the state doesn't require you to live
• 47:24
  Speaker 20: in the state. I think it's a bit different if
• 47:26
  Speaker 20: you work in a like a a nationwide company and
• 47:31
  Speaker 20: you know your job's actually in Melbourne, but you live
• 47:33
  Speaker 20: in New I think that's a little bit different. But
• 47:34
  Speaker 20: come on, you work for the state but you don't
• 47:36
  Speaker 20: want to live in that state. I'm actually a little
• 47:39
  Speaker 20: bit that the figures I reckon.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: It's astounding.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I'm astounding, and if I was premier, I wouldn't be
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: standing for it. Well, you live there's let's go back
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: to Tesla's in the US.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: It's astounding. What's happening? They have a look at this
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: news report today.
• 47:57
  Speaker 22: Authorities investigating what they're calling a target attack on a
• 48:00
  Speaker 22: Tesla repair center.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: In Las Vegas.
• 48:04
  Speaker 22: This dramatic video showing multiple cars in flames. According to authorities,
• 48:08
  Speaker 22: the suspected arson occurred early this morning. When police arrived,
• 48:12
  Speaker 22: they found five vehicles that on fire or damage and
• 48:15
  Speaker 22: the word resist spray painted on the front of the business.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Now, this is all about the Eddie Trump people being
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: fired up about Elon Musk.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: He's the president. Do you consider this an act of
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: dramastic church?
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I think I think so.
• 48:29
  Speaker 12: Why.
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: I think that if and when they catch the people,
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: and I hope they do. The good thing is they
• 48:33
  Speaker 9: have a lot of cameras in those places, and they've
• 48:36
  Speaker 9: caught some already having to do with that, I think
• 48:38
  Speaker 9: that you will find out that they're paid by people
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: that are very highly political on the left.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: List domestic terrorism.
• 48:46
  Speaker 21: Yeah, well, he did say last week that that's what
• 48:48
  Speaker 21: he would classify this as technically, And when you think
• 48:51
  Speaker 21: about it, this is.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Actually a really effective.
• 48:53
  Speaker 21: Way of going about it, because who's going to buy
• 48:55
  Speaker 21: a Tesla? If these guys keep this up, they won't
• 48:58
  Speaker 21: be willing to take the risk.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: It's shocking, isn't it?
• 49:00
  Speaker 20: Justin it is that's violence in America. It's what you
• 49:04
  Speaker 20: do If you don't like something, you commit a crime
• 49:07
  Speaker 20: against it. You know, if you don't like an election result,
• 49:10
  Speaker 20: storm the capital, break the law, and the president will
• 49:13
  Speaker 20: pardon you. If you don't like Elon Musk, you set
• 49:15
  Speaker 20: fire at things. If you don't like what somebody said
• 49:18
  Speaker 20: about you on stage, you go and slap them and
• 49:19
  Speaker 20: then they give you an oscar minutes later.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: That's just what America is now.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Break it's better in this country where we settle things
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: with a decent game of footy. And congratulations to your
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: mighty Richmond Tigers last week.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining Usliz and Justin.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: That's all the time we got for you tonight, and
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Break Again coming up, and then Caleb Bond again filling
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: in for Peter Kredlin.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow.