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Headless Mailbag- Hystera Amulet & More · The Occult Rejects

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Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen.
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Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen?
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Speaker 1: I think what he held bag on? Hell you friends,
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Speaker 1: get them all in here. You're gonna have a fun time.
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Speaker 1: So Nick, how's your week been treating?
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Speaker 2: All right? That's too bad. Uh had some good shows
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Speaker 2: this week, some good UH guests. Heather, Yo, that ship
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Speaker 2: was fun last night with Heather and UH and Raccondo. Yeah, Yo,
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Speaker 2: you know what was funny. I thought we went live
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Speaker 2: with her the first time, and we didn't, So her
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Speaker 2: first episode dropped today. So it's like I just had
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Speaker 2: a wrong live last night. I guarantee you most of
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Speaker 2: the people seeing that video drop today is probably like, oh,
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Speaker 2: that's probably was last night. I totally fucked that up.
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Speaker 2: I was like, I had no way. I thought the
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Speaker 2: audio was dropping today, not the video, because I thought
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Speaker 2: the video was already live, right, But yeah, yeah, that
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Speaker 2: was that one.
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Speaker 1: That video has got a lot off too. It because
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Speaker 1: there's something going on with these islands and the giants,
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Speaker 1: and these places like Aruba are like these central hobs
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Speaker 1: for all of the rest of the continents, and I
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Speaker 1: noticed that as a theme, the islands kind of in
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Speaker 1: the middle of all these continental blocks are used as
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Speaker 1: the controllers of those continents. We don't think about it
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Speaker 1: because we're not thinking in terms of how conspiracy works.
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Speaker 1: You have to have the group separate from these different
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Speaker 1: areas so that you can effectively plan for those other areas.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh you know who's another guest, Fortunately, another
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Speaker 2: good guest that you weren't there, You couldn't make it. Whatever.
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Speaker 2: When we had Danny Hillman on that shit was really
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Speaker 2: impressive because I tell people, if you go go check
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Speaker 2: it out if you haven't, If you did and you
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Speaker 2: only got a few minutes in because you're like this
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Speaker 2: guy's accent, it gets better. After about seven minutes he
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Speaker 2: starts to catch on and when he goes into his
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Speaker 2: side presentations, he's on fire. But you know that thing
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Speaker 2: is there's a good chance he's going to prove that
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Speaker 2: that shit is way older than it is. And if
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Speaker 2: they there's a good they also think there might have
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Speaker 2: been a harbor over there, and if that is a
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Speaker 2: harbor and it's as old as it is, it will
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Speaker 2: actually basically change how our civilization was back then. We'll
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Speaker 2: be like, Yo, they had boats and they were making deliveries,
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Speaker 2: you know, in going places. We didn't think they were
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Speaker 2: doing that twenty years ago, I mean twenty thousand years ago.
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Speaker 2: You know, say, so that is really interesting fingers grossed.
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Speaker 2: If that ever comes out man, as you know, being accepted,
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Speaker 2: it's gonna change shit.
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Speaker 1: Did you did you notice Ricardo talking about these ash
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Speaker 1: layers last night? He didn't really get into detail, but
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Speaker 1: they've got ash that are deposited on top of human
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Speaker 1: artifacts that can be accurately dated to around twenty to
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Speaker 1: thirty thousand years BC. These human artifacts are pretty advanced,
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Speaker 1: which is a pretty good indicator that we've always been here.
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Speaker 1: We just keep getting set back down natural.
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Speaker 2: That's what I think. Like I've even said it. You know,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't sound that it sounds upsetting you think about,
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Speaker 2: because you'd probably know what's going to happen if you
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Speaker 2: have the technology to view it. But I do think
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Speaker 2: these polar ships, it's quite possible we flip our shit
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Speaker 2: every once in a while, and that just resets.
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Speaker 1: Everything, right. I think, coming outside of outside of yourself
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Speaker 1: and your culture and then looking at all of these
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Speaker 1: different fact points and then making your own assessment and
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Speaker 1: figuring out how to effectively transmit your information to future
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Speaker 1: generations is going to be vital because we can see
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Speaker 1: what the Smithsonian is doing now trying to cover up
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Speaker 1: all of the messages ancient mayn left to us. Right,
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Speaker 1: So if you can think through that and think about, well,
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Speaker 1: what would the future Smithsonians do to try and take
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Speaker 1: our message away from those future generations, you're already light
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Speaker 1: years ahead of the curve, right, So maybe we don't
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Speaker 1: make it through this one, but maybe you can get
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Speaker 1: the message to the right people, you know, and maybe
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Speaker 1: that way of doing things is better than depending on
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Speaker 1: somebody to save us, because they seem to always, at
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Speaker 1: least the elite class, always seem to run things. So
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Speaker 1: leave instructions and tell people do not trust authorities. Authorities
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Speaker 1: will fuck you over. Because that's what we're missing from
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Speaker 1: the ancient land, is people telling you, hey, don't trust
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Speaker 1: the government. Don't give this to the Smithsonian. Right, It's
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Speaker 1: like they almost don't understand the concept of it. So
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Speaker 1: I think we're in between these major cataclysms that these
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Speaker 1: people have on record and keep it occulted from us.
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Speaker 2: I've even wondered, and you know, this might sound a
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Speaker 2: little weird, but I don't think it's for our benefit.
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Speaker 2: But I do wonder sometimes like a place is like
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Speaker 2: sern or is you know, the cabal actually trying to
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Speaker 2: stop certain things from happening. But it's not because they
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Speaker 2: care about us. They don't actually want to tell you yet.
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Speaker 1: Right, But you see, you know, all of these tunnels
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Speaker 1: that they've produced all over North America and all over
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Speaker 1: Europe and all over Asia, all of these things are
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Speaker 1: where they plan on going if something ever pops off
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Speaker 1: of the surface. And then they've got rocketry where they
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Speaker 1: plan on getting outside the atmosphere if they need to.
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Speaker 1: All of the options are open to the people with
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Speaker 1: the most amount of money, and we're not even going
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Speaker 1: to be able to warn future generations after the whole
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Speaker 1: thing resets. So maybe if we start thinking about that
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Speaker 1: and figuring out ways to leave those messages effectively in
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Speaker 1: certain maybe megalithic purportion, you know, big old rocks that
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Speaker 1: say do not trust the government or something, Maybe leave
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Speaker 1: some translations other forms are writing next to it, something
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Speaker 1: like that, you're going to be leaving your legacy to
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Speaker 1: a people who will now be light years ahead of
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Speaker 1: where we are. Yeah, that's something to be helpful about,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Let's depersonalize this stuff. Maybe
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Speaker 1: we are part of the planet. Maybe that whole reset
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Speaker 1: and everything else is part of this whole soul cycle.
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Speaker 1: Maybe we can level up ourselves and other people. But
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Speaker 1: we got some symbols tonight. Oh yeah, why don't you
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Speaker 1: take us through your symbols?
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, hold on one second, all right, did you
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Speaker 2: hear pull it up? If you don't mind, you got it?
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Speaker 2: All right, let me see. Yeah, it's pretty much the
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Speaker 2: whole picture right there. All right. That is the interesting name.
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Speaker 2: It is called the Hestero amulet or the uterus with key.
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Speaker 2: It's weird, but it is a it's basically a womb
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Speaker 2: schematic womb off on like a cupping vessel like it
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Speaker 2: looks like a cup and it's sealed with a seven
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Speaker 2: tooth key and it's normally has like an aural boros
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Speaker 2: around it as well. And it was something I'll get
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Speaker 2: into the uses this goes back to. Originally, I think
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Speaker 2: they said that they find them around anywhere from two
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Speaker 2: to fifth century, and these types kind of are found
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Speaker 2: in the Roman Imperial East, the Egypt and the Levant.
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Speaker 2: There is some museums, the British Museum, you know, they
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Speaker 2: are deredating it back to the second and fifth century.
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Speaker 2: Those ones that they find earlier tend to be made
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Speaker 2: at a hematite. Then they start showing back up again
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Speaker 2: around the seventh from the seventh to twelfth century, and
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Speaker 2: those are made out of normally copper and lead, and
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Speaker 2: they might look a little bit different. But and you
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Speaker 2: know the reason that it was used a lot of times.
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Speaker 2: It was for kids, women or pregnant women or even midwives.
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Speaker 2: But here on it. I'll see if I could, uh,
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Speaker 2: let me change it some of the pictures for you
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Speaker 2: to see too. This would be the back is another one.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So like that vessel right there is supposed to
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Speaker 2: be like the womb, and then you could have here,
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Speaker 2: you have the ora boris, you will have things on it.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I think there is certain words that are always constant.
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Speaker 2: I'll get into that, but then I think some of
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Speaker 2: them you may change depending on the deity that you're
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Speaker 2: actually putting on the ambulant.
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Speaker 1: This is a bad picture, that's amazing. Yeah, So do
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Speaker 1: you think this is like the basis of all ambulets.
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Speaker 1: It's like they're all like a uterus.
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Speaker 2: Hw That's a good question, right right, Yeah, Like if
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Speaker 2: even Uh, I mean even yeah, I guess even the
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Speaker 2: shape of it. But yeah, all right, let me just
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Speaker 2: get back to it again. Yeah, the uterus glyph uh. Again,
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Speaker 2: that's the patient's womb, that cup uh. And it is
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Speaker 2: named directly and addressed in the in the spell when
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Speaker 2: it is used. The seven tooth key, you know, obviously
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Speaker 2: control of closure or opening of the pregnancy, of the birth,
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Speaker 2: the seven ties to the planetary sevens, and magical valves
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Speaker 2: used on the stones, the orboos ring supposed to be
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Speaker 2: for like total containment and boundaries keeping the demons or
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Speaker 2: bad airrs from the womb deities above. Sometimes I think, uh,
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Speaker 2: I think the ones that I'm supposed to be showing. Uh.
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Speaker 2: It is either sometimes I don't know if I'm saying
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Speaker 2: this right channobis, or sometimes it almost looks it's an
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Speaker 2: earlier version. I almost did that tonight, but I did
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Speaker 2: I didn't want to get into it. It's like an
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Speaker 2: version of her practice. It is the lion headed and
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Speaker 2: uh has a. It's also known for being like a
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Speaker 2: stomach healer. Sometimes they'll have icys or Nephtis on there
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Speaker 2: as like a protective midwife or sometimes a nubis for
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Speaker 2: being like a guard or stabilizing the situation in the inscription.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes it will be like contract womb, and then the
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Speaker 2: name of whatever like you're wanting to use, and then
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Speaker 2: sometimes they'll string the seven valves at the end, you know,
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Speaker 2: how it was used. Sometimes there would be kind of
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Speaker 2: like this on a necklace or a ringstone, and you know,
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Speaker 2: sometimes it would be worn or put in the pocket.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes when we would put it around their abdomen while
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Speaker 2: even reciting the inscription, they would hold it there. Sometimes
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Speaker 2: they even said that they would have like another one
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Speaker 2: that kind of goes down almost down by like you know,
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Speaker 2: the vagin area, and you'd hold you could hold two
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Speaker 2: down there or whatever and do your thing again. A
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Speaker 2: lot of patients, pregnant women, new mothers and in midwies,
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Speaker 2: we use that a lot. It eventually even did start
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Speaker 2: all the versions of it even started kind of popping
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Speaker 2: up amongst according to what I see, even like with Jews,
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Speaker 2: Christians and Pagans. So but uh, yeah, that was my
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Speaker 2: that was my schigil.
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Speaker 1: That's incredibly advanced. I mean, the idea that they were
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Speaker 1: thinking about the uterus in this very methodical way, like
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Speaker 1: having to protect it and all the rest of these things,
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Speaker 1: it seems so I'm like, this is nineteenth century science
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Speaker 1: being interpreted on first century ambulance.
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Speaker 2: For yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, like you're saying
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Speaker 2: that this shit goes back to like to you know,
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Speaker 2: two hundredth century, and it's like they're already understanding that
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Speaker 2: like this, you know, they already know what's up in
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Speaker 2: a sense, and like from then on, from then on,
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Speaker 2: we just stayed stupid for the next eighteen hundred years.
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Speaker 1: Oh you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: We didn't learn anything new since then, up until recently
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Speaker 2: last undred, last undred, we started learning them.
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Speaker 1: This is my problem with Christianity. It's like it's all
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Speaker 1: encapsulated right here in this ambulance. It's like they were
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Speaker 1: so far advanced and understanding and then they just get
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Speaker 1: BTFO from behind, you know, and then it's like what
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Speaker 1: happens to all this stuff?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 1: They continue to use Galen into the seventeenth century. Galen,
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Speaker 1: the first century Roman physician, doesn't They don't change anything
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Speaker 1: from his prescriptions until the seventeen hundreds. Wait, sixteen hundreds.
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Speaker 1: You know why they bled George Washington. They led him
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Speaker 1: to death. They've led them to death because of Galen
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Speaker 1: in Rome in ancient role wo, that's what his prescription was.
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Speaker 1: That's not they didn't change anything. It was like a
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Speaker 1: complete intellectual black hole for thousands of years. That's incredible.
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Speaker 1: But I mean like once you once you put it
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Speaker 1: in context, it's like meganism is almost like science. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's like you look at these forces, you personify the
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Speaker 1: forces so that other people can remember them better, and
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Speaker 1: then they give you these images and those images go
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Speaker 1: to different parts of the body. They can understand that,
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Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. So, like all of this
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Speaker 1: stuff is a heuristic to allow people to remember things
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Speaker 1: better so that they can pass it on orally in
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Speaker 1: oral histories, Well, what happens with Christianity? All that stuff
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Speaker 1: is evil. Get rid of all of it.
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Speaker 2: Anything too blatant, was.
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Speaker 1: Right, But what's blatant about that? If you know what
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Speaker 1: the symbols mean. You know today they're saying orubis that's arobus,
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Speaker 1: that's a bad thing, that's an evil symbol. It's like no,
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Speaker 1: that represents body, that's the homeostasis that keeps you different
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Speaker 1: from everything else. And then you've got the different anatomical
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Speaker 1: points all over the place that they're talking about and
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Speaker 1: their functions, and then we lose it all because they
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Speaker 1: they had a different way of writing their science, you know,
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Speaker 1: and we call it magic because they didn't understand this stuff.
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Speaker 1: You know, Paganism was far more elitist than what we
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Speaker 1: think about.
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Speaker 2: Oh yes, right, all that stuff was only.
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Speaker 1: The elite study, right, only the elite study. That So
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Speaker 1: if a slave is looking at this, he sees witchcraft.
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Speaker 1: If it you know, upper class person sees this, they're like,
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Speaker 1: what are they trying to do? What is these seven
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Speaker 1: seven tooth key? What are all these things? What's the
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Speaker 1: idea here? Are there? Are there forces at work here?
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Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, They're trying to figure it out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's Yeah, for the seven seventeeth it
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Speaker 2: was even going back to possible planetary energies. Yeah so right,
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Speaker 2: oh god, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: But that's that's a great symbol. I got to look
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Speaker 1: that up. Man, If if anybody wants to understand how
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Speaker 1: magic is related to science, all you have to do
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Speaker 1: is break down ancient symbols and then you'll start to
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Speaker 1: see it for yourself. That's that's what I wanted to
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Speaker 1: do with this segment. You know, it's just have people
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Speaker 1: to start to understand that these are a practical uses
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Speaker 1: for magical ambulance, and it gets deep into your memory,
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Speaker 1: and where the memory is, that's where you find magic. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think even like most of the cross even.
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Speaker 2: Though like a lot of the stuff that we covered,
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Speaker 2: none of it's even anything remotely bad, is it? No?
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Speaker 2: Most of the time now when you now when you
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Speaker 2: break it down and see what it's being used for
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Speaker 2: and what the things mean.
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Speaker 1: Right, No, it could be because yeah.
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Speaker 2: It always Yeah, it can always be twisted for sure.
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Speaker 1: Do you hammer in a nail? You hammer somebody's head? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's a tool. It's still the same tool.
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Speaker 2: I could you know, eat, we did a stamp somebody
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Speaker 2: in the eyeball with it.
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Speaker 1: Come on, that's that simple. That's a great symbol that
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Speaker 1: I love it. It really exemplifies that whole idea than you.
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Speaker 1: Let's see, I got the Chaos star. If people don't know,
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Speaker 1: this is the symbol for chaos magic. Right. There was
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Speaker 1: a guy named Michael Moorcock. That's right, that's right. You
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Speaker 1: better get into magic if your name is Morcock.
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Speaker 2: Guy didn't have a choice.
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Speaker 1: Figure it out, right, You gotta be a wizard. You
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Speaker 1: gotta be a fucking wizard. So this guy wrote mythology
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Speaker 1: for tabletop games like Warhammer and Dungeons and Dragons, right,
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Speaker 1: he was deep into this whole tabletop gaming phenomenon, and
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Speaker 1: so he created the symbol of political movements as well
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Speaker 1: as you know, stuff about Nazism. So he creates the
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Speaker 1: symbol for his games, and then it gets adopted by
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Speaker 1: revolutionaries who start to use it as the symbol of
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Speaker 1: their rebellion against government, which is kind of interesting. So
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Speaker 1: why did he use this symbol as chaos. Well, he
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Speaker 1: conceived of the symbol while writing the first Eric of
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Speaker 1: Mellbone stories in the nineteen sixties. It later became common
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Speaker 1: in popular culture, appearing in occult traditions and role playing games.
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Speaker 1: An air interview with Morcock, he described how he designed
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Speaker 1: the symbol. I drew a straightforward geographical quadrant which often
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Speaker 1: arrows northwest, east and south, and then another four directions.
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Speaker 1: That was that was it, Eight arrows representing all possibilities,
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Speaker 1: one arrow representing the single certain road of law. I
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Speaker 1: have since been told to my face that it is
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Speaker 1: an ancient symbol for chaos. Chaos, So it's any path
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Speaker 1: is open to you. From the place of chaos, there
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Speaker 1: is no order imposed upon you. And if you think
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Speaker 1: about it, the idea of chaos really does go back
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Speaker 1: to the idea of the circumpunked right, this sort of
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Speaker 1: it's the all powerful, all sovereign thing in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the circle. You know, it can go in any
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Speaker 1: direction at the same time. But if you think about it,
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Speaker 1: the circumpunk and the chaos star, they're really similar, you know.
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Speaker 1: So in the nineteen seventies, the chaos star became the
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Speaker 1: main symbol of chaos magic, a British occult tradition, the
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Speaker 1: official symbol of the Illuminates of Deneteros, a magical organization
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Speaker 1: dedicated to chaos magic. The symbol's first appearance in a
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Speaker 1: commercial role playing game was The Dungeons of Dragons Supplement
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Speaker 1: Deities and Demigods, which featured gods and monsters for Morcock's books.
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Speaker 1: It was later adapted in a Stormbringer, Warhammer forty K,
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Speaker 1: and Warhammer Age of Sigmare, among other games. It has
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Speaker 1: occasionally been used as used astrologically as the symbol for
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Speaker 1: the trans Neptunian planetoid nineteen five twenty one Chaos, so
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Speaker 1: there is a planetoid out there using this symbol because
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Speaker 1: of its erratic shape and erratic motion throughout this trans
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Speaker 1: Neptunian orbit. So, right, how many cult groups have now
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Speaker 1: been fascinated by the whole idea of chaos through just
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Speaker 1: that one symbol, and they keep doing it. It's self
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Speaker 1: reproduce it. That's chaos.
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Speaker 2: I'd like seeing that redone, but I think it like
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Speaker 2: tried to make look like a shape. It's not to explain,
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Speaker 2: like a square in there or some shit.
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Speaker 1: Well, if you're going to reduce it to I guess
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Speaker 1: cosmic or eternal geometry, it would have to be closely
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Speaker 1: related to the idea of the Tesseract, right, So it's
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Speaker 1: like a square within a square and a five dimensional
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Speaker 1: space that's sort of keeping everything in. But at the
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Speaker 1: same time, if you put that chaos symbol inside of
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Speaker 1: the Tesseract, you kind of have infinite possibilities because it's
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Speaker 1: all a simulation, right, Everything comes out of that one
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Speaker 1: just as that whole universe is pressing down upon you.
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Speaker 1: It's almost like their answers to one another.
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Speaker 2: Like Shaman seven to eleven over here saying stare at
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Speaker 2: her for a few minutes and you'll see a circle
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Speaker 2: inside of square, so it's hinting of sacred geometry right
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Speaker 2: off the bat. I like that. That's almost I'm almost
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Speaker 2: positive there's there's some sort of thelemic account that I
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Speaker 2: follow on Instagram where I think their logo like looks
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Speaker 2: like that, but has like like I said, the square
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Speaker 2: or circle both, some shit is in the middle of it,
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Speaker 2: and it's always like making like chaos memes or chaos
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Speaker 2: magic jokes and shit.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that would make sense because there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of literary and cultic attention
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Speaker 1: paid to chaos magic. William ass Burrows came up the
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Speaker 1: cut up method, which was like proto chaos magic, where
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Speaker 1: we cut out all these little words out of all
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Speaker 1: these different things.
22:07
Speaker 2: David Bowie got that from him. David Bowie would do
22:10
Speaker 2: that with some of his songs because.
22:12
Speaker 1: Yep, proto chaos magic right there, we're just using other
22:18
Speaker 1: varieties of the same idea over and over again.
22:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yep.
22:24
Speaker 1: I like it. I mean, what do you guys think
22:26
Speaker 1: is is that? Is that something you can relate to?
22:28
Speaker 1: This is this is the potential of putting your will
22:33
Speaker 1: into magical form and we always get caught up in
22:37
Speaker 1: what's going on around us, not what we can generate
22:40
Speaker 1: out of ourselves. That's the whole idea behind chaos magic,
22:42
Speaker 1: because it's self generating. We don't even really have words
22:46
Speaker 1: for self generating, you know, anytime we make invocations, we
22:50
Speaker 1: make it to gods because we don't have the words
22:52
Speaker 1: to say, I'm bringing that out of myself, Like you
22:55
Speaker 1: could say evocation, But does that really encompass what you're
22:59
Speaker 1: trying to say, I'm manifesting my will? Is there a
23:02
Speaker 1: single word for that. It's almost like we've been cut
23:06
Speaker 1: off from the concept that we can self generate our futures.
23:13
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's kind of what I think.
23:18
Speaker 2: For me when I did the sigil, when I I
23:20
Speaker 2: was actually big home and say chaos, but I was
23:23
Speaker 2: big with that style of making sigils. You know, the
23:26
Speaker 2: chaos people would I I used more of the meditation
23:31
Speaker 2: or mantra method. I wasn't going to be another dude
23:33
Speaker 2: in the Oto jerking off the sigils, so I did
23:36
Speaker 2: mantras and meditation. So uh. But in my opinion, a
23:40
Speaker 2: lot of that I almost feel like is almost like
23:43
Speaker 2: programming yourself to get you to the means that you're
23:46
Speaker 2: looking for.
23:49
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that that kech magic back
23:53
Speaker 1: in the first uh Trump term, that all came out
23:55
Speaker 1: of chaos magic. I think there was somebody doing a
23:57
Speaker 1: bunch of cutups and they're like frog memes, let's make
24:02
Speaker 1: a frog meme. And so they just started pulling all
24:04
Speaker 1: these different images and seeing what took hold, what got
24:07
Speaker 1: the most views, what got the most reactions, and then
24:10
Speaker 1: they built off of it from there, and then you
24:12
Speaker 1: find that, hey, it's related to one of these ancient
24:14
Speaker 1: symbols of Kek, you know, and you've got all these
24:17
Speaker 1: ties to ancient chaos magic, because that's what it was
24:21
Speaker 1: back then. These were the gods before the Ogdod, you know,
24:24
Speaker 1: Keck and his partner. They were before everything became ordered,
24:30
Speaker 1: you know, they were like the Titans of the Egyptian pantheon.
24:33
Speaker 1: So I think that has a lot to do with
24:36
Speaker 1: where this power is coming from. Everybody looks at the
24:40
Speaker 1: Olympians or the og dot as being like the supreme deities.
24:46
Speaker 1: Those are the supreme deities of everything coming into form
24:50
Speaker 1: before it comes into form. Then you've got the chaos,
24:52
Speaker 1: then you've got the Titans, You've got all these other
24:55
Speaker 1: different forms of ideas that you could apply to your
24:58
Speaker 1: own magical life that people don't pay attention to because
25:01
Speaker 1: they're appealing to the form of power that exists today
25:06
Speaker 1: instead of going primordially with it. I think chaos magic
25:10
Speaker 1: redirects towards the primordial.
25:16
Speaker 2: Yeah no, that's not even like when I was getting
25:19
Speaker 2: that even kind of like you kind of tapping that
25:23
Speaker 2: part of the brain that you normally don't, you know,
25:24
Speaker 2: come in contact with, yeah, sub conscious, Yeah, no, I
25:28
Speaker 2: do believe that. Yeah.
25:30
Speaker 1: Even Crowley talked about that when he was talking about
25:33
Speaker 1: these I guess he mentioned I think in book four
25:43
Speaker 1: he was talking about ESOPs stables and how Esop's fables
25:46
Speaker 1: can be applied to anything. You just have to plug
25:49
Speaker 1: in different meanings for the different characters, and then you
25:52
Speaker 1: get a whole new meaning out of it. That's almost
25:55
Speaker 1: like chaos magic in a sense, because you're just ascribing
25:58
Speaker 1: different meanings to the old references that you have, and
26:02
Speaker 1: you're creating a new narrative in the process.
26:07
Speaker 2: I got to get some more of his but I
26:08
Speaker 2: actually don't have that book. It's just crazy as it sounds.
26:11
Speaker 2: I need to get more of his ship Actually I
26:14
Speaker 2: don't have believe it.
26:16
Speaker 1: You probably have all the supplemental books that he put into.
26:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true too. Yeah, I mean there's a
26:21
Speaker 2: lot of fucking ship that's separate stuff that's just packed
26:24
Speaker 2: in there. That's true, right.
26:27
Speaker 1: I mean I have the not Golden Down, what is it?
26:31
Speaker 1: What's the other one?
26:33
Speaker 2: The Golden Door. That initiatory book is fucking.
26:35
Speaker 1: Jock Gigantic, I got there. The Red Book is that's
26:40
Speaker 1: not Golden Down. That's uh, the other group that he
26:43
Speaker 1: was involved with. No, no, it is Golden Down. Yeah, no,
26:48
Speaker 1: it's not the OTO. But I have the whole Golden
26:51
Speaker 1: Don book. They talk about a Naki and Chess in there,
26:54
Speaker 1: and they talk about they've got a bunch. Have you
26:56
Speaker 1: ever heard?
26:56
Speaker 2: That's probably the only chest Trump is really plain.
27:01
Speaker 1: That's a really good point. I look into that. That's
27:03
Speaker 1: a good reference. No, but I got into Anaki and
27:07
Speaker 1: Chess and tried to figure it out using you know,
27:10
Speaker 1: game theory and all the rest of this stuff. There's
27:14
Speaker 1: very interesting connotations. I don't think the board is shaped correctly.
27:17
Speaker 1: I have a you know, absolutely nailed down the correct
27:21
Speaker 1: geometry for the board, but it's definitely not the sixty
27:25
Speaker 1: four square. You know that. Ain't it like they're using
27:28
Speaker 1: the wrong shaped board for Anaki and chess. But I
27:31
Speaker 1: think there's so much about a Knakian that they're just
27:33
Speaker 1: not telling us. You know, you read through the Anakian dictionary.
27:37
Speaker 2: I think there's something with that, something with a noke magic.
27:41
Speaker 2: I think it's a lot more advanced than we probably
27:42
Speaker 2: would think. I think it deals with pinpointing parts of
27:47
Speaker 2: the abyss of play something. I think it is very
27:50
Speaker 2: specific in that I could be wrong. That's just a theory.
27:55
Speaker 2: Oh you know what I want to mention real quick?
27:57
Speaker 2: You have letters? Right? Do you have any mail?
27:59
Speaker 1: Yeah?
28:00
Speaker 2: All right, before we hit the mail, because I you
28:02
Speaker 2: know how people are. As soon as we start to
28:03
Speaker 2: wrap up, motherfuckers stop listening. But I wanted to announce this. Unfortunately,
28:08
Speaker 2: because it's so far, my man headless won't make it.
28:11
Speaker 2: I do think Tyrone might show up though. But uh,
28:13
Speaker 2: October eighteenth, there is a h We got a booth
28:17
Speaker 2: with the O Cult rejects, got a booth at Charlie's
28:20
Speaker 2: Beyond the Belief Expo and that's gonna be a Fort
28:22
Speaker 2: Myers in Florida October eighteenth, and uh, Brook from Dark
28:27
Speaker 2: Florida's She's one of the people speaking there. So when
28:30
Speaker 2: I heard that, I was like, yo, I gotta get
28:32
Speaker 2: I saw there was boots there. They weren't crazy expensive.
28:35
Speaker 2: I was like, I fucking have to get one. And
28:37
Speaker 2: to top it off, it's in a Masonic lodge. And
28:39
Speaker 2: to make it even better, I got booth number fucking
28:42
Speaker 2: thirty three. I was able to pick it. I said,
28:45
Speaker 2: I gotta get thirty three front of Masonic lodge. Fuck,
28:47
Speaker 2: it was either that at seventeen. So yeah, yeah, but
28:54
Speaker 2: uh so yeah October eighteenth, people, anybody in Florida and
28:57
Speaker 2: how far from Fort Myers myself will be there. Hopefully
29:01
Speaker 2: Tyrone or somebody else will be that. Brook's gonna have
29:04
Speaker 2: a booth and she's gonna be speaking, and there's gonna
29:05
Speaker 2: be other people that she's associated with there, so it
29:07
Speaker 2: should be pretty pretty fucking awesome. It's only a day
29:10
Speaker 2: and I think it's ten bucks to get in the motherfucker,
29:12
Speaker 2: So for real. Yeah, I mean it's from like eight
29:15
Speaker 2: to five and I think it's only ten dollars, So
29:17
Speaker 2: come check it out.
29:21
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
29:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that'll be fun.
29:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you gotta bring your cameras. Oh, you gotta
29:27
Speaker 1: start live streaming from the booths.
29:29
Speaker 2: Fucking I gotta do. You have Tyrone goes with me,
29:33
Speaker 2: both of us, We'll have like a production crew between
29:35
Speaker 2: me and him. The amount of equipment we both have. Dude,
29:37
Speaker 2: it's sucking unreal. Actually, me and him could like definitely
29:40
Speaker 2: do some serious filming if we're together. Yeah, I mean
29:44
Speaker 2: we did. We did. We were at the Cosmic Summit.
29:45
Speaker 2: Me and him were roll over the place with those
29:47
Speaker 2: ship He's got a camera that he's got another one
29:49
Speaker 2: set up next to him. He was, Yeah, he was
29:52
Speaker 2: just like we had two cameras that I'm using my phone.
29:54
Speaker 2: People probably thought I was a crackhead of some shit.
29:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love but I love it. This is gonna
30:01
Speaker 1: be a great time. Let's say so. We've got an
30:06
Speaker 1: email from Angel Hey, headless Giant. This is somewhat of
30:10
Speaker 1: a story, more of a imo strange experience. I have
30:16
Speaker 1: had a few as astrology readings done in my life book.
30:20
Speaker 1: This one is free and really went over my head.
30:24
Speaker 1: I don't know whether to question my own sanity for
30:28
Speaker 1: feeling that there is a deep wisdom here. I don't understand.
30:32
Speaker 1: This is what they said. The strongest. The strongest planet
30:36
Speaker 1: in this chart by far is Urunos. Its closest peak
30:41
Speaker 1: of activity will begin closer to forty years. Utnos is
30:45
Speaker 1: an intellectual planet, so teaching suits you. Saturn and the
30:50
Speaker 1: Sun are next to Urnos on the timeline. This enhances
30:54
Speaker 1: professionalism and charisma. But all this is the future.
31:00
Speaker 2: Now.
31:00
Speaker 1: You can only feel and try on these qualities of
31:04
Speaker 1: yours develop them in yourself. Udernose, in addition to its strengths,
31:09
Speaker 1: creates many additional charts entities. Such entities have information about
31:15
Speaker 1: the future and a symbolic language. We can say that
31:19
Speaker 1: they are of a mystical nature. Your moon period is
31:23
Speaker 1: ending or has recently ended. The Moon is introverted and
31:27
Speaker 1: sensitive to what is happening inside its space, so it
31:31
Speaker 1: could establish a connection within these entities in a dream,
31:36
Speaker 1: through intuition, or in some other way. I think as
31:39
Speaker 1: you grow older you will still be less of a
31:43
Speaker 1: mystic and more of an intellectual. As for your personal life,
31:48
Speaker 1: this chart has a lot of energies of Utunos, the Moon,
31:52
Speaker 1: and Saturn. These are solitary planets, the Moon because of security,
31:58
Speaker 1: Saturn because of self restraint, order knows because of misunderstanding.
32:02
Speaker 1: If you understand that you avoid relationships, or that you
32:07
Speaker 1: are overtly, overly strict or a little eccentric and abstract,
32:12
Speaker 1: then you can retouch it. But partners are also different.
32:16
Speaker 1: If there is a mutual romance of future plans, then
32:19
Speaker 1: personal indicators do not play such a major role. People
32:22
Speaker 1: are brought together by these future planets and not by
32:26
Speaker 1: current qualities. But your mystical friends can also tell you
32:30
Speaker 1: about your future. I don't know how it happens with you,
32:33
Speaker 1: but sometimes it is enough to just ask a question
32:37
Speaker 1: before falling asleep. Forty is a conditional astrological age. It
32:42
Speaker 1: can coincide coincide approximately with the physical I mean not
32:47
Speaker 1: in forty years, but the age. It can blossom earlier
32:51
Speaker 1: if there are conditions for growth, and if there are
32:54
Speaker 1: no conditions, it may not find ways to manifest and
32:58
Speaker 1: remain in potential. If you engage in philosophy, then you
33:02
Speaker 1: already have created favorable conditions for Udernose. Now, I think
33:07
Speaker 1: it's important to understand what Udernos means. Before there was Chronos,
33:14
Speaker 1: before there was Jupiter, before there was Zeus, there was Udernos.
33:19
Speaker 1: And Uderos was the first sky god who was engaged
33:23
Speaker 1: with Gaya to create all of the Titans, right, all
33:29
Speaker 1: of these elementary forces. So Udernos is uranus, right, I
33:35
Speaker 1: just use the Greek pronunciation because it sounds ridiculous when
33:39
Speaker 1: you say urinus, it's either urine or on anus.
33:43
Speaker 2: You know, pissing out your rays.
33:46
Speaker 1: Right, But again encapsulates the energy of Uternose as well,
33:53
Speaker 1: because the idea is it's it's the highest of highs
33:58
Speaker 1: and the lowest of lows. Right, all of these things
34:01
Speaker 1: can be found in Ordernos. It's like transcendence. It's the
34:04
Speaker 1: sky itself, you know, It's like how do you get
34:08
Speaker 1: outside of your body? Well, when you're at your highest
34:11
Speaker 1: high and when you're at your lowest low, you both
34:13
Speaker 1: feel disassociated or in the sky or airy, you know.
34:17
Speaker 1: Intellectual but uh, let's see, and the implementation of Udernos
34:25
Speaker 1: gives energy to the entities generated by it. It does
34:28
Speaker 1: not happen often in the charts that the strongest planet
34:32
Speaker 1: also generates entities, so in your case, one of the few. Therefore,
34:37
Speaker 1: your intuition is currently associated with Ordernose. Probably the last
34:40
Speaker 1: two years have been a period of awareness of Udernos
34:44
Speaker 1: and its themes. Accordingly, interesting dreams have appear. In your case,
34:51
Speaker 1: the intellect is not an obstacle to the subtle world,
34:54
Speaker 1: but on the contrary, it's participant. Therefore, mysticism is organic here.
34:59
Speaker 1: And for example, in order to use intuition, you need
35:03
Speaker 1: to immerse yourself in the intellectual process, leaving a window
35:07
Speaker 1: with some degree of edge for attention in the sensation
35:10
Speaker 1: of subtlety of being. Now, this has two ideas for me. Right, So,
35:17
Speaker 1: if you're physically intuitive, you're going to know your way
35:20
Speaker 1: around to guard. If you're intellectually intuitive, you're going to
35:25
Speaker 1: know your way around sources and how to find certain
35:28
Speaker 1: things and how to understand certain texts. But the two
35:33
Speaker 1: are not entirely disconnected, because there is the intuitive aspect
35:37
Speaker 1: between the two of them. So, whether you're physically intuitive
35:41
Speaker 1: and your hands kind of have a mind of their own,
35:45
Speaker 1: or you're intellectually intuitive, where you could start to track
35:49
Speaker 1: all these different figures on its own, there's still that
35:54
Speaker 1: sort of guiding sense of intuition. I think that's the
35:57
Speaker 1: thing that needs to be focused on. So only I
36:00
Speaker 1: find that the idea of intuition is best exemplified by
36:05
Speaker 1: thinking about the unknown, right, the backside of the screen,
36:11
Speaker 1: the outside of the house. Right. This kind of goes
36:17
Speaker 1: into my symbol too. It's like chaos magic is ruled
36:20
Speaker 1: by the gods of the unknown, right, And if you
36:23
Speaker 1: think about it, there's lots of different gods of the
36:26
Speaker 1: unknown because you have different parts of the unknown. You
36:28
Speaker 1: may know a certain part of the unknown. You may know.
36:31
Speaker 1: But once you've kind of understand the unknown as like
36:35
Speaker 1: a physical force, then you can start to manipulate it.
36:39
Speaker 1: Because if you have no concept that you are connected
36:42
Speaker 1: to the unknown through time, right, you've got this tether
36:46
Speaker 1: bringing you forward into the unknown, right, and you can
36:49
Speaker 1: manipulate your end of the tether. You can manipulate that
36:53
Speaker 1: end of the unknown. Right. These things are not just related.
36:58
Speaker 1: You have to use the power of association to create
37:00
Speaker 1: what you want to see in the world, and by
37:03
Speaker 1: doing that, you're basically tugging on the tether to go
37:05
Speaker 1: in a certain nation or the other.
37:09
Speaker 2: Right.
37:10
Speaker 1: Like do you remember the movie Donnie Darko. Yeah, do
37:16
Speaker 1: you remember when he's walking through the house, he sees
37:18
Speaker 1: that sort of thing going in front of him that's
37:21
Speaker 1: sort of guiding him through all these different possibilities where
37:25
Speaker 1: you could go. That's kind of what I see as
37:27
Speaker 1: that tether between you and the future, You in the
37:30
Speaker 1: unknown realm. Right, You're eventually going to hit that unknown realm,
37:35
Speaker 1: but how are you pulling on it? How are you
37:37
Speaker 1: shaping it? How are you planning for it? And all
37:40
Speaker 1: of these would be dictated by these gods of the unknown.
37:44
Speaker 1: And you can think about the gods of fate as
37:46
Speaker 1: being closely related to the gods of the unknown. I mean,
37:49
Speaker 1: at a certain point, you've got your ultimate end, but
37:51
Speaker 1: along the path there could be lots of twists and turns. Well,
37:56
Speaker 1: you know Clotho's weaving, so why not get in touch
37:59
Speaker 1: with her to change those results? You know, it's that tether,
38:05
Speaker 1: it's that string, it's that cord of fate that you're
38:08
Speaker 1: trying to sort of manipulate. So why not personify its example?
38:16
Speaker 2: That was something I was thinking about, And you know,
38:20
Speaker 2: it's just you know, so many thoughts with the whole
38:23
Speaker 2: reason it comes up in the initiation, and uh, I
38:28
Speaker 2: just had wondered that, you know, the way I had
38:29
Speaker 2: looked at the rituals I did, the initiations I did
38:33
Speaker 2: in the oto. It's just my theory that I do
38:37
Speaker 2: think you're you're actually traveling from the back of your
38:40
Speaker 2: eyeball and moving towards the front possibly, and at one
38:45
Speaker 2: point you get your cord cut, and I have wondered
38:48
Speaker 2: if that's actually showing you like not attached to the
38:53
Speaker 2: source anymore, you know what I'm saying, Like, you're you're
38:56
Speaker 2: not even tapping into the old or far removed already.
39:01
Speaker 2: But a lot of times people say that when he
39:03
Speaker 2: gets cut, that's a good thing. But I was just
39:05
Speaker 2: like wondering, like in in the play that I was in,
39:08
Speaker 2: is it not a good thing. I don't know, It's
39:11
Speaker 2: just you know, I could be totally mistaken on what
39:13
Speaker 2: I was even going through, and I could be completely wrong,
39:15
Speaker 2: but it was just something I've thought about.
39:18
Speaker 1: I think you're onto something. I was listening to Mysterious
39:21
Speaker 1: Universe last Tuesday and they were talking about how, you know,
39:27
Speaker 1: they go through the books of these different you know,
39:31
Speaker 1: New Age people and other other types like that, and
39:34
Speaker 1: so they were going through this one New Age book
39:36
Speaker 1: and they were talking about this woman's experience with this
39:38
Speaker 1: energy vampire that was putting his intentions into people's chakras
39:44
Speaker 1: in the form of these energy tendrils, right, and so
39:48
Speaker 1: he would he would target their root chakra and make
39:52
Speaker 1: them obsessed with him by putting his energy into that
39:56
Speaker 1: chakra point and making them think about him in sexual ways.
40:00
Speaker 1: And I think there's there's kind of a binding thing there.
40:03
Speaker 1: It's like you're trying to direct their fate with these
40:06
Speaker 1: threads that you're putting into their energy points, you know.
40:10
Speaker 2: And so the.
40:11
Speaker 1: Idea there is maybe you could change a person's fate
40:14
Speaker 1: by adding or subtracting pieces of these threads. That we're
40:19
Speaker 1: all sort of on a line, if you think about
40:21
Speaker 1: it multi dimensionally, we're all kind of moving on a
40:24
Speaker 1: line compared to higher dimensions. Have you ever heard of
40:28
Speaker 1: the three body problem?
40:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, from you and a. I think Theresa and Lisa
40:34
Speaker 2: both told me about this, and every time every time
40:37
Speaker 2: he gets brought up, I'm like, yeah, I forgot what
40:39
Speaker 2: it is.
40:41
Speaker 1: If you're in the second dimension, you see a sphere
40:46
Speaker 1: coming through your dimension as a circle, you know, So
40:53
Speaker 1: as this thing is moving through your dimension, all you
40:55
Speaker 1: see is a circle in front of you, and you're
40:57
Speaker 1: not really thinking about what it looks like in three.
40:59
Speaker 1: The mentions well, in a lot of ways, being in
41:02
Speaker 1: the third dimension, does it reveal what's on the fourth
41:06
Speaker 1: and fifth dimensions around us, and so we really don't
41:09
Speaker 1: have a full examination of the totality of the structure
41:14
Speaker 1: that's influencing us. You know, just like a thing on
41:19
Speaker 1: a piece of paper wouldn't know that he's on a
41:21
Speaker 1: piece of paper, or what outside the paper even looks like,
41:25
Speaker 1: because it's very hard to kind of imagine what outside
41:30
Speaker 1: the third dimension would even look like. The tesser Act
41:32
Speaker 1: is a good example of that. All right, well, let
41:40
Speaker 1: me keep it going here. So Uranus generates entities associated
41:45
Speaker 1: with the Sun. Perhaps this is somehow played out in symbols.
41:49
Speaker 1: The Sun is a significant planet for you, but your
41:53
Speaker 1: youth was mostly spent in the shadow of the moon,
41:56
Speaker 1: and now ambivalent feelings are possible when the image inside
42:01
Speaker 1: does not coincide with reactions. I don't know how to
42:05
Speaker 1: describe it, but very similar to if there was a
42:09
Speaker 1: solar religion in the lunar world. If you contact the
42:13
Speaker 1: solar principles, then you may touch the scenario world when
42:18
Speaker 1: by illuminating certain parts with the sun, you give them
42:23
Speaker 1: to the will to manifest. That's sort of like the
42:26
Speaker 1: difference between Yesde and Tiffera. That's interesting, but it's it's
42:37
Speaker 1: like the reflection is below the source, you know, and all.
42:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, yes.
42:48
Speaker 1: Most of the time we're focused on the source, and
42:49
Speaker 1: we're not looking at the reflection, the body, all the
42:52
Speaker 1: rest of the stuff. We're all living up here, you know,
42:55
Speaker 1: we're not thinking about Hey, every neuron in our body
42:58
Speaker 1: actually is a sort of brain. Maybe we should be
43:01
Speaker 1: listening to that. Maybe this body is a partner and
43:05
Speaker 1: not just you know, speed bump. Let me see. So mysticism,
43:12
Speaker 1: but in different form, can also be present after forty
43:16
Speaker 1: entities are the form present after forty entities in the
43:21
Speaker 1: irrational night or part of the person everyone encounters in
43:25
Speaker 1: their dreams, but their worldview is quite confusing and mosaic.
43:29
Speaker 1: But there are also messengers of future scenarios, which in
43:33
Speaker 1: their presentation may look phantasmogoric and sometimes detailed and precise.
43:40
Speaker 1: These entities are like children. They do not have the
43:43
Speaker 1: same priorities as us and in a different significant events. Therefore,
43:50
Speaker 1: behind some grandiose symbolic scenes that leave a feeling of
43:54
Speaker 1: great importance upon awakening, there may be significant events from
43:59
Speaker 1: the future for us which we may not even include
44:03
Speaker 1: in the comparison. These entities are closely connected with creativity,
44:08
Speaker 1: and with the unconscious and psychoanalysis, they learn next to
44:13
Speaker 1: the person. Because after the death of the human body
44:16
Speaker 1: they remain alone in physical time. They can remember and
44:21
Speaker 1: appropriate some attributes of the person's personality. The cult of
44:25
Speaker 1: the Ancestors built on this, or they may not remember
44:29
Speaker 1: anything and become attached to a place or to physical objects.
44:34
Speaker 1: Almost all magical practice is connected with interaction and the
44:38
Speaker 1: most powerful and long existing personalities. In a sense, these
44:42
Speaker 1: entities can be considered a soul. They have many examples
44:47
Speaker 1: in culture of how a person is disposed of a
44:50
Speaker 1: soul exchanged lost sould. On one hand, they are in
44:55
Speaker 1: an integral part of us right brain personality, and on
44:59
Speaker 1: the other hand, for us they can be an object.
45:03
Speaker 1: In this sense, we can have several souls or none
45:07
Speaker 1: at all, depending on the birth chart. I think from
45:10
Speaker 1: this description it will become clearer to you what entities
45:15
Speaker 1: I wrote about in the comments. Of course, any interaction
45:18
Speaker 1: with them can be called mysticism, because they exist in
45:22
Speaker 1: a subtle, ephemeral world, But in fact they are our
45:26
Speaker 1: real children and we are responsible for them. I forgot
45:30
Speaker 1: to mention that in philosophy this side of reality was
45:33
Speaker 1: presented by Rousseau and Nietzsche, and like all true consistent philosophers,
45:39
Speaker 1: by the end of their lives, they themselves were moved
45:42
Speaker 1: to the irrational side of being. I know, this is long,
45:46
Speaker 1: but fairly interesting and something I have never heard of before.
45:51
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of anything similar to these ideas?
45:55
Speaker 1: I think so there's a lot of different philosophies at
45:58
Speaker 1: work and how he's describing this stuff, but it's mostly
46:02
Speaker 1: coherent her meticism, you know. Yeah, Like that's what I
46:06
Speaker 1: would call that stuff. That was her medicism. He was
46:09
Speaker 1: describing the son, he was describing the system, he was
46:13
Speaker 1: laying out the boundaries, and he was talking about interaction.
46:17
Speaker 1: I think that's what her medicism means. It could be
46:23
Speaker 1: done with any subject too, Like you could be talking
46:25
Speaker 1: about physical science, or you could be talking about mental science,
46:28
Speaker 1: or you could be talking about magic. All of it
46:31
Speaker 1: applies to her medicism because it's those same basic principles
46:34
Speaker 1: that you're describing. You know, what are your thoughts? What'd
46:42
Speaker 1: you think of it?
46:45
Speaker 2: Like you said a lot of her medicism. I don't
46:50
Speaker 2: tell you the truth, where did that come? I don't
46:52
Speaker 2: even remember from the beginning what that even came from,
46:55
Speaker 2: though you know what I'm saying, Like, was that just
46:57
Speaker 2: like someone's thoughts?
46:58
Speaker 1: Was that, like this was her astrology? Really?
47:02
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, because I was just like, this
47:04
Speaker 2: isn't a dream, because yeah, it was just like, but
47:06
Speaker 2: where what started this off? Okay?
47:09
Speaker 1: Right now? She was talking about Uranus and the influences
47:11
Speaker 1: of Uranus in her life, and this astrologer was giving
47:15
Speaker 1: her all these examples of how Urinus is going to
47:18
Speaker 1: impact the rest of her chart, and it was very hermetic.
47:22
Speaker 2: Very well, the way the way everything was being said
47:25
Speaker 2: seemed like very cabalistic to me.
47:28
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, well that's part of her medicine.
47:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well they that would be twist in
47:32
Speaker 2: there with her medicism for sure, for sure. Yeah, her
47:34
Speaker 2: medicism with that then planetary stuff. Yeah, all sorts of
47:36
Speaker 2: things mixed in. Yeah, and uh, I'll be totally honest
47:40
Speaker 2: with you though, when it comes to the anything beyond
47:43
Speaker 2: the seventh classical, you know that I used. I'm really
47:45
Speaker 2: not good with so a lot of this stuff. I
47:48
Speaker 2: was just like, Okay, it was all news to me.
47:51
Speaker 2: That's why I was just like, where did I know?
47:53
Speaker 2: This isn't a dream?
47:53
Speaker 1: Though?
47:54
Speaker 2: Like what started this? Because I forgot it was alone.
47:58
Speaker 1: Well, I think I think you can benefit a lot
48:01
Speaker 1: from learning the mythology because they don't stray from the
48:04
Speaker 1: mythology and how they name the planets past the seven right,
48:09
Speaker 1: so if you know about us, he's also called Anu
48:13
Speaker 1: in the Babylonian. This is where we get the Anu
48:15
Speaker 1: Naki children of the sky. Stay in concept, that's the
48:20
Speaker 1: sky god, that's the original. So you know, there's there's
48:24
Speaker 1: so much you can learn just by going to the
48:26
Speaker 1: mythology and then going back to the planets and being like, okay,
48:29
Speaker 1: well I understand how that fits Neptune. You know, it's
48:34
Speaker 1: a Roman god, right, and it's the god of the ocean,
48:37
Speaker 1: and it's a big blue planet, and it's a certain
48:39
Speaker 1: size and all the rest of these characteristics because it's
48:42
Speaker 1: the I think it was the Vatican that's that's choosing
48:45
Speaker 1: these names. They're keeping this occult traditional live behind the scenes.
48:50
Speaker 1: They have an inner order that it was a long reading, Yeah, dear,
49:06
Speaker 1: I think I skipped around a little bit too, but
49:08
Speaker 1: thank you, Angel. I think that was a really good
49:10
Speaker 1: example of how you can start to draw out uh
49:14
Speaker 1: associations with the things that you're given, because that's The
49:18
Speaker 1: whole point is like, you're never going to get the
49:21
Speaker 1: totality of stuff, But if you can draw out your
49:25
Speaker 1: associations and then make those associations part of your perspective,
49:30
Speaker 1: because you're going to find that you're drawn more to
49:33
Speaker 1: certain associations as opposed to others. And in that drawing,
49:37
Speaker 1: you're actually learning about yourself and your subconscious mind and
49:40
Speaker 1: what brings you to those conclusions. So you know, look
49:44
Speaker 1: them up, figure these things out, because I think there's
49:47
Speaker 1: a lot of language gap between the people who study
49:52
Speaker 1: this full time and the people who are complete laymen,
49:56
Speaker 1: and so you could be saying the most wise shit imaginable.
49:59
Speaker 1: But if you don't have the bridge between it, who's
50:02
Speaker 1: gonna even know? You know. That's one of the sad
50:05
Speaker 1: things I see repeating over and over again. People don't
50:07
Speaker 1: have occult literacy.
50:09
Speaker 2: No, No, not at all. I didn't for the longest
50:13
Speaker 2: time either. I thought I had an idea, and I
50:16
Speaker 2: still didn't.
50:19
Speaker 1: I think occult literacy depends on your ability to disassociate
50:24
Speaker 1: symbols from good and evil. Right, everything has a good aspect,
50:30
Speaker 1: everything has an evil aspect. We're looking at words on paper.
50:34
Speaker 1: We don't need to make those associations. Just understand what
50:37
Speaker 1: you're looking at. Save good and evil for people's actions
50:42
Speaker 1: as opposed to words and symbols on paper. Right, if
50:46
Speaker 1: somebody's drawing the Seal of Lilith, maybe understand why they're
50:50
Speaker 1: drawing the Seal of Lilith instead of screaming, pointing and
50:53
Speaker 1: saying vampire. Yeah, probably not a good idea if you're
50:58
Speaker 1: trying to understand.
50:59
Speaker 2: Things, I'm screaming process church. That ship doesn't tell me
51:05
Speaker 2: what the fuck's going on? Know, That's why I was like,
51:09
Speaker 2: I gotta go find out what magic is.
51:14
Speaker 1: Right, it's not that hard. Just disassociate go to evil
51:18
Speaker 1: for a second. Understand these are tools. They're not trying
51:21
Speaker 1: to hurt you. You can read them and then spiritually
51:24
Speaker 1: cleanse yourself of all the unclean spirits. There's a process
51:28
Speaker 1: to this stuff, and it's not necessarily a bunch of
51:30
Speaker 1: Satanists and Luciferians all upsetting. Maybe that's why they're trying
51:37
Speaker 1: to get your goat. They're getting your goat. Do you
51:42
Speaker 1: understand that you got the baffro thatt.
51:48
Speaker 2: They're goating yet?
51:50
Speaker 1: Right? Maybe they're not really Nazis. Maybe they're saying they're
51:55
Speaker 1: Nazis and they're associated with Nazis to make you upset
52:00
Speaker 1: as that works too, you know, it's Operation Chaos. Back
52:05
Speaker 1: to the Chaos Star again, how they operate.
52:09
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff that if you're still looking
52:11
Speaker 2: at it and you're like, you know a lot of
52:12
Speaker 2: this information is coming from the government itself, you have
52:19
Speaker 2: to no wondering because if the ship with this shit's
52:23
Speaker 2: not even true but believed, it causes chaos regardless, and
52:27
Speaker 2: that person's name will burn an image into everybody's fucking
52:29
Speaker 2: head and they'll live on as a god, regardless how
52:33
Speaker 2: they're being talked about.
52:36
Speaker 1: For every ideology, there is a scapegoat. For every ideology,
52:41
Speaker 1: there is a scapegoat, and there's lots of scapegoats out
52:44
Speaker 1: there for them to take their wrath out on. And
52:46
Speaker 1: you to say, good job, even though you were the
52:49
Speaker 1: one who was trying to get the evil people who
52:51
Speaker 1: are now taking it out on the scapegoat because they
52:53
Speaker 1: don't want to be accountable.
53:00
Speaker 3: Shit, man, I know this is deep stuff, but this
53:03
Speaker 3: is the kind of thinking you got to engage in here,
53:06
Speaker 3: because we're just trying to say it could be a distraction,
53:09
Speaker 3: it could be planned.
53:10
Speaker 1: We're not one hundred committed saying it's one way or
53:14
Speaker 1: the other. We're taking in information. I just got a
53:19
Speaker 1: lightning flash.
53:20
Speaker 2: Which to me, it's time to show.
53:23
Speaker 1: It's time, yo.
53:24
Speaker 2: Let me just plug it. Hell yeah yeah, let me
53:27
Speaker 2: plug it again again real quick. Octoba eighteenth Fort Myers
53:30
Speaker 2: at fuck, I forgot so many Sonic Lodge I threw
53:32
Speaker 2: up the I can't believe it. And when I saw
53:36
Speaker 2: that too, I was like, oh, I have to go now,
53:38
Speaker 2: just so people could talk shit about me. H Octoby
53:42
Speaker 2: eighteenth Fort Myers in Florida. I threw up the I
53:45
Speaker 2: threw up the link inside the Chad'll probably added to
53:47
Speaker 2: the episode and I'll start going forward. I'll try to
53:50
Speaker 2: edit to the show notes. But yeah, uh Brook will
53:52
Speaker 2: be speaking there. She'll have a table as well, and
53:55
Speaker 2: I'll have a table there as well. I think Tyrone
53:58
Speaker 2: might be joining me. If there's any other you know,
54:00
Speaker 2: other occult rejects too, I think it's like whatever, it's
54:03
Speaker 2: ten bucks to get in, so I mean they could
54:05
Speaker 2: possibly maybe somebody else may be able to come as well.
54:08
Speaker 2: It's only ten bucks to get in, like I was
54:09
Speaker 2: just saying, So even if you're a fan and you're
54:12
Speaker 2: in the area and the speakers aren't for you. It's
54:14
Speaker 2: really only ten bucks to come and hang out and
54:16
Speaker 2: bullshit with us. I mean, think about it now, so
54:19
Speaker 2: come check it out.
54:21
Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot of fun. And uh, if
54:23
Speaker 1: I were you, I would be there because you might
54:26
Speaker 1: get to see the kiddy live oh yo as we're
54:29
Speaker 1: doing episodes.
54:31
Speaker 2: Dude, if you came, I would definitely want you to
54:33
Speaker 2: bring the cat oh man. Yeah, unfortunately I think you
54:36
Speaker 2: your father from it than I am. So yeah, I
54:38
Speaker 2: don't expect you to come, but.
54:40
Speaker 1: I would have loved it.
54:41
Speaker 2: Definitely bring my dude over there.
54:45
Speaker 1: Well, thank you guys for joining us, and we'll see
54:47
Speaker 1: you again on the next Headless's Magical Mailbag. Thank you
54:50
Speaker 1: very much later