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The Billboard, The 'Idiots' & The Big Apology · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
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  Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
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  Speaker 2: news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torber and coming up
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  Speaker 2: on today's show, the real reason behind Molly May and
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  Speaker 2: Tommy Fury's split, the Queensland influencer charged with torturing her
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  Speaker 2: baby to boost her social media following, and finance podcaster
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  Speaker 2: Victoria Devine is in hot water for her comments over
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  Speaker 2: that controversial billboard. But first, it's been a turbulent time
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  Speaker 2: for TikTok users in the US. On Sunday, 170 million
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  Speaker 2: Americans were shut out from the app as a nationwide
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  Speaker 2: ban took effect.
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  Speaker 1: To the US government, I'm never forgiving you for this.
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  Speaker 2: I feel so dumb coming on the internet and crying
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  Speaker 2: about an app.
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  Speaker 3: But the fact is that this has been a sense
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  Speaker 3: of community for me.
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  Speaker 2: But the ban was short-lived because within 14 hours, TikTok
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  Speaker 2: was back. I feel like there would have been a
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  Speaker 2: few red faces because I saw so many creators in
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  Speaker 2: hysterical tears. I also saw many TikTok creators exposing secrets
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  Speaker 2: before the app went down. Yeah, there'd be a lot
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  Speaker 2: of regret over that. I was pretty shocked by the
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  Speaker 2: message that TikTok users received. So they got a pop-up
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  Speaker 2: message saying, sorry, TikTok isn't available right now. A law
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  Speaker 2: banning TikTok has been enacted in the US. Unfortunately, that
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  Speaker 2: means you can't use TikTok for now. We are fortunate
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  Speaker 2: that President Trump has indicated that he will work with
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  Speaker 2: us on a solution to reinstate TikTok once he takes office.
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  Speaker 2: Please stay tuned. And it didn't take Donald Trump too
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  Speaker 2: long to take credit for TikTok's return. So he was
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  Speaker 2: speaking at an inauguration event and he told crowds, as
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  Speaker 2: of today, TikTok is back. We have no choice. We
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  Speaker 2: have to save it. He then went on to suggest
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  Speaker 2: that the US was set to own 50% of the company,
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  Speaker 2: telling the media it would make a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: So if TikTok is worth nothing, zero, zero. without an approval.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you don't approve, they're out of business,
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  Speaker 2: they're worth nothing.
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  Speaker 3: If you do approve, they're worth like a trillion dollars.
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  Speaker 3: They're worth some crazy number.
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  Speaker 2: So I said, I'll approve, but let the United States
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  Speaker 2: of America own 50% of TikTok. I'm approving on behalf.
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  Speaker 4: Of the United States.
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  Speaker 2: I want to cut through the crap here because he
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  Speaker 2: is acting like a hero when he is the one
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  Speaker 2: who initiated talks back in 2020 to ban the app
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  Speaker 2: over fears that it was a national security risk. This
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  Speaker 2: just seems to be some big publicity stunt for Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's in cahoots with TikTok. The fact that
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  Speaker 2: they even named him in that initial pop-up message and
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  Speaker 2: also the fact that TikTok did have that big blackout
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  Speaker 2: in the U.S., No one was expecting it to actually
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  Speaker 2: go down. Well, it was early as well. And there
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  Speaker 2: were a lot of rumors saying, well, no, it's not
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  Speaker 2: going to cancel out if you have the TikTok app.
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  Speaker 2: It's just going to stop people from downloading TikTok. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: people thought it was going to be a slow transition
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  Speaker 2: away from TikTok. It wasn't going to be something that
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  Speaker 2: suddenly just got blacked out. It's scary to see what
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  Speaker 2: is unfolding on our social media apps. Last week, Mark
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  Speaker 2: Zuckerberg got rid of fact checking on Facebook and Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: We can see that he is kissing the ring, as
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  Speaker 2: people are saying, of Donald Trump. He is sucking up
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  Speaker 2: to Donald Trump at the moment. Donald Trump also has
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  Speaker 2: Elon Musk in his camp. And now we're seeing that
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  Speaker 2: he's in cahoots with TikTok, the app that he originally
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  Speaker 2: wanted to get rid of. Now I want to get
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  Speaker 2: to the fun stuff. Let's talk about this TikTok confession trend.
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  Speaker 2: So before the app shut down, a lot of creators
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  Speaker 2: jumped on this audio clip from Family Guy where Peter
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  Speaker 2: Griffin made a confession to his family. So a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people lip synced to this grab and then they
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  Speaker 2: made their own confessions.
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  Speaker 3: Since we're all going to die, there's one more secret
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  Speaker 3: I feel I have to share with you.
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  Speaker 2: Now, one of the TikTokers that ruffled feathers was Lexi Hidlago.
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  Speaker 2: And she's really well known for her coffee chats and
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  Speaker 2: also for her workout videos. And she revealed to her
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  Speaker 2: 2.7 million followers that she never once drank coffee in
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  Speaker 2: her coffee chats and that she only did half the
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  Speaker 2: workouts she posted. This confession, as you can imagine, went
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  Speaker 2: down like a lead balloon. Everyone was like, why the
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  Speaker 2: fuck would you admit this? Especially if you're trying to
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  Speaker 2: get followers to follow you over to Instagram, it just
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  Speaker 2: makes you look so inauthentic. Well, the one that upset
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  Speaker 2: me the most was beauty influencer, Meredith Duxby. And she
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  Speaker 2: has gained a lot of attention on TikTok for using
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  Speaker 2: an outrageous amount of foundation. So she will put about
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  Speaker 2: 12 pumps onto her face. And it's all about trusting
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  Speaker 2: the process because she always looks incredible after Well, she
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  Speaker 2: has admitted that she wiped a hell of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of that.
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  Speaker 1: Makeup off before the final results.
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  Speaker 2: She said it was just for rage baiting, which has
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  Speaker 2: obviously worked. The worst one was some of the creators
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  Speaker 2: who admitted that they never use the products that they
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  Speaker 2: promoted on their TikTok shop. There must be so many
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  Speaker 2: people kicking themselves for jumping on this trend. And as
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  Speaker 2: you said earlier, I don't understand it because it's not
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  Speaker 2: like these people were going to lose their following. People
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  Speaker 2: were going to go across to Instagram or Red Note
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  Speaker 2: or Snapchat. And still follow these people. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: how stupid can you be? It's literally just ruined any
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  Speaker 2: credibility they might have had. Also, I would be really
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  Speaker 2: pissed off as one of the brands that's done sponsored
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  Speaker 2: work with them because you'd be questioning, okay, cool, so
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  Speaker 2: you've pretty much told everyone you hated the products we
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  Speaker 2: provided you with.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, no, don't worry. I'm not calling you idiots. All
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  Speaker 5: the girls that bought my book, listened to my podcast,
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  Speaker 5: took financial advice from me. You're not idiots. You made
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  Speaker 5: me millions, all right?
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  Speaker 2: A national real estate agency has caused a stir online
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  Speaker 2: after bragging on a billboard that they've been making homes
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  Speaker 2: more expensive since 2017. The backlash was swift with the
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  Speaker 2: agency labelled out of touch in the current housing affordability crisis.
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  Speaker 2: Amidst the drama, finance podcaster Victoria Devine went into bat
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  Speaker 2: for the agency, calling people who don't get the billboard idiots. Now, Sophie,
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  Speaker 2: when this story first broke, there was a lot of
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  Speaker 2: confusion because the real estate agency in question shares the
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  Speaker 2: same name as one of Australia's most popular online clothing stores.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: If you believe it, this agency is called White Fox
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  Speaker 2: Real Estate. And what makes things even more confusing is
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  Speaker 2: that its branding is nearly identical to the clothing retailer. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we actually spoke about White Fox Real Estate probably a
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  Speaker 2: month ago now when Steph Clare Smith revealed that she
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  Speaker 2: was selling her home.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the name of the agency, it's derived from the
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  Speaker 2: founder's name, Marty Fox, and he's recently found fame as
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  Speaker 2: a judge on the block. And he is your stereotypical
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  Speaker 2: real estate agent. He's very good looking. He dresses well.
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  Speaker 2: He's got flashy white teeth and he's very confident. And
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  Speaker 2: because of his appearance on the block, He has around
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  Speaker 2: 34,000 followers online. His agency specializes in luxury real estate.
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  Speaker 2: And as you touched on, Kate, he has a number
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  Speaker 2: of celebrity clients like Steph Klessmith and Josh Miller. He
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  Speaker 2: currently has Sam Wood and Snez's Home on his listings
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  Speaker 2: at the moment. So you can tell the type of
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  Speaker 2: clientele he works with. Now, the drama kicked off when
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  Speaker 2: a passerby snapped a photo of the controversial billboard in
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  Speaker 2: Perth and shared their thoughts on TikTok. So the TikTok
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  Speaker 2: user's name is M.
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  Speaker 3: Redmond.
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  Speaker 2: And she's got around 3,000 followers. So she shared vision
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  Speaker 2: of the billboard with the slogan, making homes more expensive
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  Speaker 2: since 2017.
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  Speaker 1: And she wrote, maybe not.
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  Speaker 2: The message to be gloating about in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: a housing crisis. Now this video quickly garnered 300,000 views
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  Speaker 2: and people started making reaction videos. And again, there was
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  Speaker 2: a lot of confusion in Em's comment section because Her
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  Speaker 2: audience assumed that the billboard was from the clothing brand.
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  Speaker 2: So one user wrote, I thought this was about White Fox,
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  Speaker 2: the clothing label, and was so lost. And that comment
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  Speaker 2: received 4,000 likes. Another user said, I'm so confused. Do
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  Speaker 2: you mean you're spending more money on their clothes when
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  Speaker 2: you could be saving for a house? And another chimed
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  Speaker 2: in saying, their advertising must be terrible because I drive
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  Speaker 2: past one of their offices every day. And up until now,
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  Speaker 2: I thought they were White Fox.
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  Speaker 1: The clothing brand.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very curious from this, if this lack of branding
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  Speaker 2: distinction is one of the reasons why the agency was
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  Speaker 2: so desperate to create a stir. Maybe they thought a
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  Speaker 2: stunt like this was going to help them build some
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  Speaker 2: much needed brand awareness and cement their spot in the
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  Speaker 2: real estate market. Surely Marty being on the block is
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  Speaker 2: enough advertisement though, like good advertisement for the company. Well,
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  Speaker 2: clearly not because a lot of people have not heard
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  Speaker 2: of them. I had a look on Google and they
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  Speaker 2: appear straight after White Fox Boutique. So this stunt hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been able to get them top spot just yet. That's
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  Speaker 2: not how SEO works. I used to work at an
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  Speaker 2: SEO firm and you don't generally type in the name
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  Speaker 2: of the real estate company to find them because you
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  Speaker 2: know it already. So you're going to search their URL.
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  Speaker 2: If you're looking for a real estate agent, you would
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  Speaker 2: type in real estate agent Adelaide. Those are the terms
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  Speaker 2: that real estate companies would be going after. And it
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  Speaker 2: sounds like they only want the rich and famous anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So as long as the likes of Steph Clare Smith
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  Speaker 2: knows the difference between White Fox Boutique and White Fox
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  Speaker 2: Real Estate. When this story blew up, it was picked
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  Speaker 2: up by the Today Show. And even Carl Stefanovic was confused.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what he said.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just stating the facts that at White Fox,
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  Speaker 2: that's what we do. We try and get you as
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  Speaker 2: much money as possible. I thought you made women's lingerie
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  Speaker 2: on White Fox.
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  Speaker 6: Is that a different White Fox?
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  Speaker 5: That's a different one.
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  Speaker 2: I love that he still didn't quite get it right.
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  Speaker 2: That it's an apparel clothing brand, not just lingerie. He's
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  Speaker 2: like offended both of the marketing teams of White Fox
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  Speaker 2: Boutique and White Fox Real Estate. Now the comment section
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  Speaker 2: on Em's TikTok post was relatively mixed. So many people
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  Speaker 2: acknowledge that it's a real estate agent's job to make
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  Speaker 2: as much money for their client as possible, and that
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  Speaker 2: the housing crisis was not their fault, whilst others were
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  Speaker 2: outraged and thought the billboard added unnecessary salt to the
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  Speaker 2: wound for those who have been priced out of the market.
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  Speaker 2: So one user wrote, read the room, White Fox, whilst
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  Speaker 2: another said, imagine driving past this ad in your car
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  Speaker 2: you were forced to live in because of the current
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  Speaker 2: Perth housing market. I really think that your reaction to
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  Speaker 2: this campaign mostly depends on what financial position you're in,
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  Speaker 2: because If you own a home and you're looking at selling,
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  Speaker 2: you want to know that your real estate agent is
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  Speaker 2: working for you and they're going to get the best
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  Speaker 2: price for you. But if you are currently a buyer
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  Speaker 2: and you're having a tough time financially, this is going
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  Speaker 2: to make you feel so resentful and hopeless. You feel
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  Speaker 2: like you're never going to get a house. You're going
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  Speaker 2: to feel ripped off whatever house you do get.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, for white folks, I think it's clever marketing because
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  Speaker 2: the people that are offended are not the target market
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  Speaker 2: they're going for. This is for these High earners who
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  Speaker 2: want to make as much money as possible. I'm questioning
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  Speaker 2: why they chose a billboard for that then because that
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  Speaker 2: type of advertising, you can't measure the return on investment
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  Speaker 2: of it. It's literally for everyone to see it. It's
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  Speaker 2: that say and spray method. It's douchey though.
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  Speaker 1: It makes them look like douchebags. Whereas if they had actually.
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  Speaker 2: Used targeted marketing towards people in that top echelon, it
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  Speaker 2: probably would have done a lot better. No, Kate, they
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  Speaker 2: knew exactly what they were doing by putting this billboard up.
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  Speaker 2: This is a classic case of rage baiting. They were
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  Speaker 2: banking on someone passing by being completely outraged and posting
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  Speaker 2: this on social media and it going viral.
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  Speaker 1: It's very clever.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that this achieved exactly what they wanted
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  Speaker 2: it to achieve. Well, so many people now know that
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  Speaker 2: they're a real estate firm and not a clothing boutique.
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  Speaker 2: They knew that this bragging about making homes more expensive
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  Speaker 2: was going to elicit a huge response, particularly when we
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  Speaker 2: are in the midst of such a huge housing affordability crisis. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't think that type of publicity is particularly
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  Speaker 2: good for this real estate company because now people are like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they're a bit douchey, like rubbing it into the common man.
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  Speaker 2: But the people who think that are people who aren't
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  Speaker 2: their customer base because not only did they attract free
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  Speaker 2: commercial attention from this, he appeared on the Today Show,
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  Speaker 2: there was a ton of mainstream media publications. But it
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  Speaker 2: was also a very powerful value proposition because the slogan
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  Speaker 2: directly spelled out to prospective customers will get you the
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  Speaker 2: most money for your home, which ultimately is what every
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  Speaker 2: seller wants to hear. And White Fox knew they weren't
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  Speaker 2: going to offend their target demographic, which is the insanely
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  Speaker 2: wealthy people who own multiple properties. their target demo would
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  Speaker 2: have looked at this slogan and had a chuckle and thought, gee,
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  Speaker 2: these guys are super confident. They're good at what they do.
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  Speaker 2: I want them to get the best price for me.
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  Speaker 2: They weren't going to have an emotional reaction to this slogan,
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  Speaker 2: like most everyday people. I get what you're saying, Sophie,
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  Speaker 2: because when I was in the market to buy a
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  Speaker 2: house with my husband, there were real estate agents that
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  Speaker 2: popped up and you'd go along to the inspection and
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  Speaker 2: you'd go, oh, fuck, I don't want to deal with them.
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  Speaker 2: This house is going to be so expensive.
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  Speaker 1: However, if I was.
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  Speaker 2: Looking to sell I would totally engage them to sell
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  Speaker 2: my house because my mindset is they're going to get
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  Speaker 2: me the most money. There's been a lot of questions
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  Speaker 2: over whether this has damaged Marty Fox's personal brand because
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  Speaker 2: he was very popular on the block. And the majority
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  Speaker 2: of people who watch that show, they're everyday Aussies. So
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if this has left a bad taste in
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  Speaker 2: their mouth. I don't think it's going to affect Marty's
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  Speaker 2: brand at all, but Someone whose brand has been affected
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  Speaker 2: is finance podcaster, Victoria Devine. For those who aren't familiar
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  Speaker 2: with Victoria, she is a retired financial advisor who is
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  Speaker 2: the host of hugely successful podcast, She's On The Money. Now,
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  Speaker 2: She's On The Money is marketed as a finance podcast
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  Speaker 2: that shares honest, relatable, and nonjudgmental financial advice to women.
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  Speaker 2: Victoria has also written three bestselling books, which provide financial
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  Speaker 2: literacy to women. She is also hugely successful in the
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  Speaker 2: business world. She is a founder of Zella, a finance
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  Speaker 2: broking practice, which supports people through the process of buying
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  Speaker 2: a home investment or dream asset. Now, how Victoria fits
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  Speaker 2: in this story is that she's friends with Marty Fox
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  Speaker 2: and she saw the backlash he was receiving. And in
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  Speaker 2: response to one of his Instagram stories about the billboard,
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  Speaker 2: she sent him a DM saying, the people talking shit
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  Speaker 2: aren't your target demographic.
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  Speaker 1: They're idiots.
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  Speaker 2: I got it immediately. Brilliant. Now, Marty replied saying, can
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  Speaker 2: I post and say that even one of the smartest
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  Speaker 2: business minds in Australia even gets it? And a woman
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  Speaker 2: who empowers others to get ahead too is not confused
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  Speaker 2: by this message. There's a lot of ego stroking involved
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  Speaker 2: in that to get what he wanted. So Victoria replied,
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  Speaker 2: of course. So she gave him permission to post her
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  Speaker 2: opinion on the billboard. Marty went ahead and shared the
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  Speaker 2: screenshot of the post writing, Victoria Devine, Aussie financial advisor,
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  Speaker 2: author and podcast host known for empowering millennials to take
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  Speaker 2: control of their finance even gets it. Now, this didn't
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  Speaker 2: get quite the reaction that Victoria was expecting. TikToker M Redmond,
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  Speaker 2: who initially posted about the billboard, shared this screenshot to
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  Speaker 2: TikTok and wrote, when the real estate CEO posts your comment,
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  Speaker 2: making fun of like 90% of your podcast audience.
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  Speaker 1: We're not idiots. We get the billboard.
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  Speaker 2: It just makes us angry because it's a symbol of
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  Speaker 2: the crisis we're trapped in. Now, the video quickly attracted
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  Speaker 2: over 167,000 views. The comment section was absolutely scathing. One
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  Speaker 2: TikToker wrote, Oh my God, what the fuck? Marty Fox
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  Speaker 2: in Victoria Divine. Her response is so disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: Is this real?
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  Speaker 2: Chucking out her book now. Another said, Oh, gross. Immediately unfollowed.
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  Speaker 2: She's on the money. Whilst another said, oopsies, not a
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  Speaker 2: nice way to speak about your own target demographic. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Victoria was on the front foot. So she released an
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  Speaker 2: apology video that afternoon. What I initially liked about this
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  Speaker 2: apology video was that Victoria spoke directly on camera to
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  Speaker 2: her audience. So she didn't put up a black tile
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  Speaker 2: like a lot of other influencers do with text over it.
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  Speaker 2: She put up quite a long video where she actually
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  Speaker 2: acknowledged a lot of the points. Let's have a listen
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  Speaker 2: to what she said.
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  Speaker 4: Hey guys, I just wanted to jump on here and
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  Speaker 4: address a couple of comments that I have seen online
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  Speaker 4: today about me being tone deaf.
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  Speaker 2: And completely out of touch.
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  Speaker 4: And I can't disagree with you. At the end of
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  Speaker 4: the day, the comments I made were tone deaf and
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  Speaker 4: completely out of touch.
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  Speaker 2: And for that, I apologize.
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  Speaker 4: I am genuinely really sorry. I can promise you that
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  Speaker 4: I never made comments like this with the hope to
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: make anybody feel less than or make anyone feel stupid
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: or dumb. Because at the end of the day, my
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: entire purpose is to financially empower women in particular. And there's...
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: There's no world in which I would want anyone to
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: feel stupid. And I want to be really clear. I
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: was not saying that people who can't buy property are idiots.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: I was saying that people who didn't understand the billboard
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: were idiots.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: And that, that is very rude still.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: That is very unacceptable. And for that, I do apologize.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Now, Victoria provided context for those who might not have
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: been across the whole story and confirmed the screenshot was
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: from a conversation between her and Marty and that the
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: intention of her comment was to support a friend. She
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: also confirmed she gave Marty permission to post the screenshot
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: as at the time she didn't see it as an issue.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: It is interesting to note though, when describing the billboard
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: in this apology video, Victoria misquoted the slogan. So this
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: was pointed out by another TikToker called Rachel McQueen and
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: So Victoria misquoted the billboard and said making property more
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: expensive since 2017 when it actually said making homes more expensive. Now,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: to me, the word home was strategically used on this
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: billboard to evoke more anger and outrage from the everyday
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Aussie because the word home is a motive. It's the
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: place where you feel a sense of stability and security.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I feel like Victoria may have been trying to lessen
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: the blow by pretending that the campaign said properties and
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: not homes because The word property is far less of motive.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: It speaks to a possession. It doesn't speak to a
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: place where everyday Australians live. And when you hear the
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: word property, it makes you think of rich and elite
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: people who own a number of properties that they rent out.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: I disagree, Sophie.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I just think it was a slip of the tongue.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: The video went for about six minutes. She was very
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: off the cuff in the video. In this apology, she
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: referenced that she'd done wrong. She owned up to saying,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have called my audience idiots. I think it
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: was a slip of the tongue. I mean, I definitely
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: think that this was a good apology. I just think
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: it's interesting to analyze the misuse of words there. Now,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: she did apologize several times, as you said, Amy, and
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: she apologized for hurting people by her comments and making
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: people feel less than she completely.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Owned up to it.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: I found this next admission really interesting because Victoria admitted
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: in the apology that she'd read all the comments about
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: her and she found them confronting because she agrees that
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: that she has.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Become out of touch and unrelatable. Here's what she said.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: They're really upsetting, but they are also very confronting because
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: some of them, you're not wrong. I am a little
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: bit out of touch nowadays. I am, you know, a
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: little bit unrelatable. But what I want you to know
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: is that I know you because I was you. I
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: have been in a position where I have been in
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: mountains of debt, not knowing how I was going to
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: pay it off. I have been in a position where
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: I just didn't think that property was ever going to
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: be for me. And now I'm in the very fortunate
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: position where I do own property and I am very
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: grateful for that. But I just want to make sure
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: that the people that are in my community know that
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: I would never think of you as stupid or less
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: than or not worthy of these things.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Do you guys think that a money expert has to
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: be relatable or can they simply be aspirational? I think
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: it's difficult for Victoria Devine because you can see she's
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: wrestling with trying to be relatable, but then also showcasing
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: that she is a successful businesswoman. And unfortunately, especially women
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: in the media and women who are influencers are They
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: do struggle with showing off their wealth because a lot
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: of people tear them down over it. I think if
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Victoria was struggling to get by and it was clear
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: that her tip's financial freedom weren't working or advancing her
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: in any way, we would not be willing to take
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: her advice on board. I see her as a very
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: aspirational businesswoman and Someone that a lot of women, particularly
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: in her community, look up to. So for the average person,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: maybe her lifestyle doesn't seem achievable, but maybe they think
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: if I implement some of these tips, I might get
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: a bit further ahead like her. Yeah, but I think
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: what a lot of listeners are grappling with is Victoria
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: will share money hacks to save, I don't know, like
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: the tram fare. But then people see her in designer
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: clothing and at her beach house and they're like, well,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: that seems a little bit disingenuous. So it's this, the
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: lifestyle and her influence and career is not really matching
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: up with what she shares on her money podcast. And
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: that's where the clash is, wrong or right. I mean,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: as you said, Sophie, I think she's a very successful
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: businesswoman and she should be well within her rights to
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: promote the successes that she's had. But I can see
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: why there is a clash. Yeah, I agree because- as
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: you said, she hands out money advice to her community,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: but then her community, when they jump on her Instagram,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: they see that she doesn't apply that to the way
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: that she lives. And that's because she doesn't have to,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: because she doesn't have the same financial pressures as her audience.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, she said herself that she's out of touch
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: at the moment. And I do wonder if that's impacting
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: on her podcast success. I mean, it's always in the charts,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: but I have seen a lot of negative commentary in
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: her reviews and also online more recently, because she has
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: been very vocal in and jumping on board different topics
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: of discussion. So for instance, she has been really vocal
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: about all of the Kate Forster stuff. And she is
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: on a bit of a crusade about MLMs. And whilst
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of people have agreed with her stance on them,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I think people have found maybe the approach to be
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: a bit aggressive. And I think that is backed up
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: by her recent discussions around Kate Forster and The apology
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: did receive a mixed reception. So a lot of people
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: found it to be very genuine. You could hear the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: raw emotion in Victoria's voice and you felt like she
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: was generally sorry for affecting her community. Whilst others said
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: it's interesting to hear the opinion that she shares behind
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: closed doors and thought that the omission of her being
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: out of touch made her look worse. What I found
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: quite surprising about the whole thing is that she agreed
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: for the screenshot of her message to be shared. And
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: then suddenly realized how bad it sounded, not because of hindsight.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: But because she obviously absolutely copped it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's throw to a reaction video that's currently
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: going viral to paint a picture of how some people
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: are feeling.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: Oh, no, don't worry. I'm not calling you idiots. All
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: the girls that bought my book, listened to my podcast,
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: took financial advice from me.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: You're not idiots.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: You made me millions.
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about all the other girls that can't buy
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: their first home because, you know, it's your fault.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: You're idiots.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: You're not my target demographic. Because really, the housing market,
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: what's that got to do with me?
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: Nothing.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Someone else who wasn't pleased and buying into the apology
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: was TikToker Rachel McQueen, who has over 84,000 followers. Now,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: she created a 10-minute video sharing her thoughts on Victoria's apology.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: She said she thought the apology seemed disingenuous.
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: In my opinion, the reason that Victoria apologised is because
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: unlike Marty, she did upset and alienate her target demographic.
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: The people that she makes money from. The people who
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: look to her for honest, relatable and non-judgmental financial advice.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: Of course she's going to apologise when her whole brand
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: is being relatable and non-judgmental and it's just been discovered
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: and a lot of people are upset by the fact
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: that she's not those things. That is why she apologised
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: and Marty didn't. That is why she apologised and Marty didn't.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: Because it was her target demographic that were upset, not Marty's.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: Marty's target demographic are people trying to profit from the
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: housing crisis. Her target demographic, especially through her new business venture,
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: Zella Money, is people who are struggling because of the
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: housing crisis. Victoria is in a dichotomy. She lives in
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: a completely different world to the people she's marketing to.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: It may not have been that way in the beginning,
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: but it certainly is that way now. Did she admit
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: in her apology that she is now out of touch
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: with the people that she's marketing to and that support her?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, she did.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: But I am still not convinced that that apology comes
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: from a place of being empathetic toward those people. I
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: still believe until it's proven otherwise that the apology came
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: from a place of desperately trying to repair the relationship
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: with the majority of her audience. Because as Em put
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: beautifully in this video and directly to Victoria, Victoria's audience
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: are struggling and cannot out-save and out-hustle a housing crisis.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: It is interesting to note that Victoria has since deleted
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: her apology. What do you think about that move? I
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: think it came down to a few factors. She was
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: probably absolutely copying it in the comment section, which isn't
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: pleasant and sometimes you just don't want to deal with
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I also think maybe it came down to sponsorship opportunities.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: It's not a good look to have a video up
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: where you're saying you're out of touch and you aren't
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: relatable to your core demographic when you are trying to
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: get people on board. But isn't it worse to delete it?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Because the way social media works is people will have
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: saved it and they'll stitch it up on TikTok or
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: on Instagram. And now you go over to her page
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and it looks like she's even guiltier because she's removed it. Well,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: she also recently deleted a video where she called out
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Kate Forster So it's difficult because you want to look
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: like you believe in what you say and the content
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: that you put out there. I was really interested to
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: see if She's On The Money had lost any followers
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: since this drama. What surprised me is they've actually gained followers.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: So they gained 4,200 this week, which can sometimes happen
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: when scandals break out. Over the four days when the
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: controversy broke, Victoria did lose 122 followers, but over the weekend,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: she picked up another 584. So it doesn't seem to
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: be affecting her brand Too much. But maybe she got
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: some advice to take it down because it didn't look
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: great to sponsors. See, I think a lot of the
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: followers that she picked up aren't genuine followers. They're probably
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: just following her for the controversy and maybe a bit
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: of hate following, I hate to say it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: There you go, girls.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: Nice to meet you both.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Hello. Oh, it's so nice to meet you.
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: How are you doing?
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Thank you for coming.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: It's been a big week for Molly Mae Haig and
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Tommy Fury. Just two days before Molly's tell-all documentary aired
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: on Prime, Tommy pipped her at the Post, revealing the
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: real reason behind their shock breakup. In an interview with
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Men's Health, the boxer revealed it was his addiction to
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: alcohol that caused the split. Kate, there is a lot
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: to unpack here. I am dying to talk about the
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Molly May doco. But let's start chronologically with what Tommy
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: had to say on Wednesday. It is the first time
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Tommy has acknowledged he's had a problem with alcohol. Yeah,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: it is an addiction. was quite a surprise to some
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: of his fans. So during the emotional interview Tommy revealed
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: his dependence on alcohol actually started early last year after
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: he had reconstructive surgery on his hand. So the surgery
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: was to repair a boxing injury from 2019 when he
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: snapped all the ligaments in the back of his hand.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I actually remember Molly vlogging Tommy post-surgery and he was
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: really frustrated. We now know that that recovery had a
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: very detrimental impact on Tommy's mental health And in the interview,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: he said his mental health was in the pan and
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: he started to spend nights drinking with the goal to
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: get blackout drunk.
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: The reason why me and Molly broke up because I
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: got addicted to alcohol and I couldn't be the partner
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: that I wanted to be anymore. And it kills me
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: to say it.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: It's true.
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: You know, I couldn't be. I was loved a pint
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: of beer, loved a drink. You know, and it is
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: what it is. People go through different things in life.
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: And I have, you know, we all have our crosses
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: to bear.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Tommy isn't the only member of his family to grapple
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: with addiction. His brother Tyson Fury, who was the heavyweight
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: champion of the world, he has also struggled with alcohol
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: addiction and cocaine abuse. Yeah, and we saw that play
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: out a little bit in real time on Tyson's doco
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: last year. Now, as expected, Tommy continued to deny cheating
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: was involved in this relationship breakdown. So Initially, when the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: couple broke up back in August, the internet was rife
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: with rumors that Tommy had cheated on Molly. And one
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: persistent rumor was that Molly called off their relationship after
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: being sent a video of Tommy up to no good
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: on a boy's trip to Macedonia. And it even led
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: to a woman coming out to the media and claiming
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: that they kissed, but she didn't know who he was.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: There was also that rumor at the beginning of the
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: breakup that Tommy had got another woman pregnant who was
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: actually the.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Daughter of a boxing... coach.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Well, that one got shut down really quickly because the
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: woman had to come out and say, no, this is
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: my partner and the father of my child. And at
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: the time, Tommy did vehemently deny these rumours and a
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: spokesperson for the Boxer said that his legal team were
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: investigating them. Now, his stance on the cheating allegation was
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: no different in this men's health interview.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Here's what he said.
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: There's been so much shit, so much crap in the
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: papers every single day for the past six months. I've
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: done this and I've done that. And it's like, people
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: don't know.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: The half of it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: If it's not come from my mouth or Molly's mouth,
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: it's complete and utter bullshit. It's like, all I've been
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: seeing for the past six months is cheater, cheater, cheater, cheater.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Oh, he cheated.
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: He slept with me. He slept with this girl, slept
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: with that girl. Complete and utter bollocks. And you can
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: ask Molly herself.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I cannot get over the timing of this interview. Firstly,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: it dropped two days before Molly's documentary behind it all
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: aired on Prime. the producers would have been absolutely spewing.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: This would have all been pre-planned, particularly between Molly, Tommy
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: and their management. They wouldn't want Molly to be revealing
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Tommy's secret because it looks like she would be exposing
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: something that he's perhaps not ready to talk about when
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: it is something as.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Serious as alcohol addiction.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I think you're right, Sophie, but I think this strategy
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: has only been enacted since the New Year's kiss because
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: A lot of people now think that Tommy and Molly
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: are back together. Yeah, the New Year's kiss definitely has
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: a lot to do with the timing of this doco,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: particularly because originally I think that all six episodes were
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: going to be aired at the same time, but it's
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: now been broken up to have three air now and
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: then three air in autumn. The date hasn't even been set.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: It's clear that they're still filming because so much has
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: gone on behind the scenes and it's hard for this
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: doco to keep up with the immediacy of TikTok and
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: everything that is happening. I don't think the producers, though,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: would have been in on Molly allowing Tommy to go
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: to another rival media company in men's health and break
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: that news first because this doco, it's called Behind It
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: All and it's been touted as the real story behind
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the breakup. I think Molly's gone behind the back of
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: the producers and agreed on this with Tommy because in
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: an interview she did recently, she did say, well, Tommy's
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: going to come out and explain his side of things. Well,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I think it's Tommy's story to tell first. I agree.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I think it would have looked completely inappropriate if Molly
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: was to break that news. I also noticed that the
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: two messages weren't the same throughout. So Tommy said he
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: has an alcohol problem. But in the documentary, Molly said,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Tommy doesn't have an alcohol problem.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Drinking leads to problems.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: And that to me, reading between the lines, either meant
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: that he cheated or it made me think, have things
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: escalated behind the scenes? Has something happened that, again, they're
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: not going to tell us about? Well, I watched this
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: documentary with Dale and he said, do you know what?
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's just a complete dickhead. when he's been drinking. Well,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: that's a vibe that everyone seemed to get.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: It was really interesting to be a fly on the
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: wall in that conversation between Molly and her mum, Debbie.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And I felt for Debbie because Molly revealed that when
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: her parents broke up, her mum had issues with alcohol.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: And it was part of the.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Reason why Molly didn't want to be with someone who drank.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: And during the doco, they showed Molly re-watching the scene
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: on Love Island when she first met Tommy. And they
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: kept in the grab where Molly said, oh, do you drink?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: And Tommy said, not really. And then she confirmed that
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: she actually doesn't drink either. That's a big part of
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: her brand, her being sober. I mean, she's even spoke
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: recently on YouTube how she doesn't really like going out
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: and letting herself go and having a drink. Isn't it
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: interesting though, because this New Year's Eve kiss seemed to
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: all come about because Molly was drinking and out there
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: partying with Tommy. Let's actually dive a little bit deeper
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: into this doco. So it was meant to document the
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: lead up to Molly and Tommy's wedding. But when they
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: broke up, it was repurposed into a documentary about Molly
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: navigating life as a single mum as she launched her brand, Maybe.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Did anyone else feel like some sections of the episodes
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: were just blatant ads though for Maybe? I don't actually
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: think it was a great ad for Maybe though, because
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: they mentioned a lot of criticism that the brand has got,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: especially over the balling of one of its blazers.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it was more an ad for
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Molly Mae and her personal brand, which I suppose then
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: cascades down into maybe because people are only really buying
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the clothes because of Molly Mae. But the documentary really
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: showed from her perspective that she was the one who
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: was passionate about rectifying this issue and giving back to
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: her consumer and making sure her audience weren't.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Angry at her.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Sophie really bought into the good PR. I was laughing
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: with Dale saying I could imagine Sophie working for her
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: PR team. What I did disagree with, though, is that
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: they put out a statement saying anyone who's had issues
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: with this jacket... please contact us. But they didn't actually
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: outline whether they would get a refund. I know, there
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: was no resolution. They were acting like, oh, we just
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: don't know what to do. I said to Dale, just
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: give everyone a refund. We've got the shit jacket.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Well, financially though, I don't think that the brand could
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: handle it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Sophie, you need to calm down because we are recording
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: a subscriber only episode, really getting to the nitty gritty
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: of the doco. But for now, I really want to
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: talk about what most people are interested in, and that
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: is the breakup. So the number one reason people tuned
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: in was to find out what actually happened. I know
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Tommy did pip Molly at the post, as you said earlier.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: But it was interesting to see that their stories did
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: match up because again, she did reveal that drinking was
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: a problem. In terms of talking about the cheating though,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: she really glazed over that.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: So she didn't.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Actually back Tommy up and say there was definitely no cheating.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: She did say this though.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: He's gotten somebody pregnant. I'm really sorry to hear that
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: he's been with this person. And I was just like,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: where is this coming from? It was a builder and
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: it was a lot of times of sort of, okay,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: like last chance type situation, last chance, last chance, last chance.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: There's only so much that you can take. You kind
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: of don't really have another choice. You just have to
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: do what you have to do.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I feel like that comment was trying to shoot down
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: the validity of some of those cheating claims. But then
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: when we saw the scene of Molly re-watching her proposal
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: to Tommy, she reiterated that they actually had a huge
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: argument on the way there because she thought he had
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: photos of another girl on his phone because he wouldn't
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: let her look at the phone. Yeah, he was being
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: shady and she asked, oh, can I check out the
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: photos you took of me? And he was being funny
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: about it, obviously, because he had all of the engagement
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: plans on his phone. I saw a lot of people
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: creating TikTok saying that it was interesting that they left
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: that section of the interview in because it was sort
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: of alluding that there was cheating going on, but nothing
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: confirming it. Oh, there was so much alluding going on.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: And I think Tommy's alcohol problem is a lot easier
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: to blame, especially if they do end up getting back together.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, all of the conversations between Molly and her
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: sister Zoe in the car alluded to cheating being involved. Yeah,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: you could tell that Zoe absolutely hates Tommy Fury's guts.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I thought it was really interesting when Zoe said that
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: she had clashed with Tommy as well, because often it
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: is the sisters who have to get involved. well she
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: said that she kept seeing tommy treating molly so badly
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: yeah i suppose she felt she had to stand up
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: to it and i think it's because zoe has a
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: really lovely husband his name's danny he's in the army
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: he seems to be the opposite of tommy and what
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: he stands for so for her she's like why are
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: you putting up with this shit side note my favorite
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: scene of the whole documentary so far was Molly and
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Zoe singing along to the Saddle Club. I didn't even
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: know that that was aired in the UK. I love
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: it because it was so relatable, even though they're driving
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: around in this fuck-off G-Wagon. It was just like every
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: girl does that with their sister, have little sing-alongs in
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: the car. Back to Zoe hating Tommy's guts. It's also
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: probably because she's the only family member who knows the
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: ins and outs of the relationship with Tommy because Molly
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: said this.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: I think Zoe really struggles with tommy and i the
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: most out of anyone in my family because she has
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: heard it all now and i have really shared it
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: all with her.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah because molly was like oh yeah just go through
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: my messages my whatsapp with tommy yeah she's read too
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: much clearly interesting that they are conversing through whatsapp because
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: it's a platform that's encrypted so it's more difficult for
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: the press to break into her phone and get her
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: messages what was so fascinating was on their youtube channels
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: on both zoe and molly's They're always putting out such
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: positive content about going and doing couple things.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: It was odd to actually.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Hear Zoe negatively talk about Tommy because it always seems
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: to be so positive, everything they say.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Well, that's just social media at the end of the day.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Did anyone else think that maybe Tommy ruined Zoe's wedding?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Because it does seem like the wedding was a bit
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: of a breaking point for Molly Mae. She didn't go
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: into details about what happened, but she said this.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: He's never had an alcohol problem. It's just that Alcohol
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: caused problems for us. It got to a point where
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: I wasn't really looking forward to anything because alcohol affected
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: it so much. I could only cite a couple of
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: examples where he had some alcohol and it's not led
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: to anything disastrous. I mean, I actually don't know any.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I really don't. At my sister's wedding, like, I literally
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: pleaded with Tommy, like, I begged him to not drink.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: And it's just, I don't know, it's just really sad
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: because I don't know why I'm crying now.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Well, the breakup came shortly after Zoe's wedding. Well, they
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: were on their honeymoon when it came out.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: So this must have been a tipping point for her.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Was anyone else surprised at how vocal Molly was about
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: her desire to get back with Tommy during this doco?
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Because I would love to know. the timeline of when
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: those bits were filmed. Well, it was clear that she
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: blindsided Tommy when she released that statement saying they'd broken up.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: And it felt like a really desperate move of Molly
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: to actually get Tommy's attention and to wake him up
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: and be like, look, I'm actually serious. Because it sounded
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: like she had been threatening for a long time to
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: break up with him.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because she spoke through the process.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: So this wasn't some joint decision to put out a
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: statement she said she was sick of lying in her
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: bed wiring all night so she thought this is the
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: final straw this is going to show him that he
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: needs to change but also make herself accountable because she
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: said that she probably wouldn't go through with the breakup
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: if it wasn't public yeah and in the third episode
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: of the doco she revealed to zoe it was never
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: meant to be a permanent thing.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I know it's exhausting no it's exhausting but it would
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: if you didn't draw a line in the sand it
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: will carry on being exhausting for the next five but
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: i don't want to because i don't want to end
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: it I knew we were going to get back together.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Surely you didn't. No, I did know that. No, because
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: you were waiting. Why do you think I've not cried?
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: All I want in this life is to be with
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: him and to have another baby with him and to
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: grow old as a family and to live in a
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: nice house together and to have a nice life together.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: That's all I want. To be perfectly honest with you,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: I think what's getting me through is the hope. and
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: the idea that Tommy and I will we will end
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: up back together.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: You could tell Zoe was just like oh for fuck's sake.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: What's going on you do forget that they're only 25 and.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: When Molly was talking about the fact that Tommy wants
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: to be a regular 25 year old and go out
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: drinking with his friends and partying, but he also wants
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: to be have this stable relationship in this family life.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: You can see that he's at a crossroad and he
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: doesn't know what to do. He almost doesn't want to
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: grow up. How sad was watching the vision of Molly
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: with her phone out, having to FaceTime Tommy to say
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: goodnight to Bambi. That made me feel really upset. I
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: think that's all she like ended the conversation. Every conversation
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: was bye-bye. I noticed her saying bye-bye all the time.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: And I was wondering if it was just a Tommy
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: because she felt awkward, but then she said it to
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: her manager and everyone that called her. One viral clip
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: from this doco that's doing the rounds on TikTok. is
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: a scene where Molly is trying to feed her daughter Bambi.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: And there's a moment where Bambi is absolutely losing it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: And then Molly realizes that Bambi is trying to say
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: data because she misses Tommy. And I've seen so many
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: people saying that they were in tears over this moment.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: It doesn't help that Bambi looks exactly like Tommy Fury either.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Like it would be hard to get over him when
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: your daughter is his clone. Now the producers, of course,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: left all of us on the edge of our seats
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: in the last episode. when Molly revealed that she was
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: so adamant that they were going to get back together,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: but now she was worried that the problems weren't going
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: to go away. And then a flash to the teaser
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: showing Molly's reaction to the headlines that came out about
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: their New Year's Eve kiss. And she said, oh my God, what?
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Molly May and Tommy Fury kiss on New Year's Eve.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: That is so bad. It's clear that this doco is
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: having to play catch up big time. And that is
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: why they haven't actually set an exact date for the
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: second installment. It says, Coming spring, as in the spring
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: UK time, sometime around then.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Do you think it was.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Always planned that it was going to have this big
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: break in between it or they were just going with
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: the flow? No, because I think they were almost scraping
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: the barrel a bit to fill out three episodes of content.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: A lot of it was on the maybe controversy with
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: the jacket we spoke about earlier. So I think they've gone, fuck, well,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff that's happening in current time
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: is far more interesting than what we've already recorded. I
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: saw a lot of people saying it was boring, but I,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: absolutely loved it. I thought the producers did an incredible job.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: It was shot so beautifully. It was, but if you
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: weren't a fan of Molly Mae, I can see why
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: some people might think, oh.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: It was a bit boring.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: She's got 8 million followers. So there are a lot
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: of people invested in her life and it's like, oh, well,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: we didn't hear all the juicy details. I thought what
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: we did get to hear was incredible. A 34-year-old Queensland
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: influencer has been arrested and charged after allegedly torturing and
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: poisoning her baby daughter, to boost her social media following.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: It's important to note that the reason why we and
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: other media outlets aren't naming the woman is to protect
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: the identity of the child. Now, Kate, can you tell
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: us more?
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: So on Thursday, the influencer was charged with a multitude
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: of offenses, including torture, making child exploitation material fraud and
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: multiple counts of administering poison. Now, vision of the woman
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: being arrested in her pajamas at her home and then
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: escorted into a police car was circulated to the media.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: The woman's face was blurred, but you could tell who
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: it was if you know who the influencer is. What
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: we can say is this influencer gained a following by
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: documenting her child's apparent battle with the terminal illness on
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: social media and Now, it's alleged that the poisoning took
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: place between August and October when the woman gave the baby,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: who had a medical condition, medications that were not prescribed
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: or medically approved. The charges follow an extensive police investigation
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: that took place after medical staff from a Brisbane South
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: hospital raised their concern. Now, the baby was already sick
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: in hospital with a genuine illness when staff suspected something
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: was not right. Now, in a press conference, Detective Inspector
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Paul Dalton labelled the alleged offences as abhorrent. He said
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: there are no words to describe just how repulsive offences
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: of this nature are. There is no excuse for hurting
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: a child. especially not a one-year-old infant who was reliable
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: on others for care and survival. Dalton confirmed the little
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: girl is going well and she and her siblings are safe,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: but he did not say who was caring for them.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: When asked about the woman's sentence, Dalton said if convicted,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: she would be facing substantial prison time. Now, the influencer
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: has been also accused of defrauding donors of $ 60, 000 via
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: a GoFundMe page that she allegedly set up. Now, GoFundMe
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: has announced they will refund the money to people who donated.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: And I've already seen screenshots of people sharing that that
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: donation has been refunded to them. Now, the 34-year-old woman
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: appeared in a Brisbane magistrate's court on Friday and her
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: lawyer requested that she be held in protective custody because
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: of concerns for her safety following the publicity around her arrest. Now,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: she does plan to apply for bail later this month
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: and the influencer was remanded in custody and will face
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: court again in late January.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Well, that is all.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: We've got time for today. Thank you for listening to
• 44:33
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• 44:36
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• 44:39
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• 44:42
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