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MAKE THEM SUFFER’s ALEX READE On APRA Nomination, Breaking Boundaries, And A True Blue Aussie Tour · HEAVY Music Interviews

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Speaker 1: Hey, it's Alex from Make Them Suffer Beautiful. Welcome, thank
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Speaker 1: you so much and congrats.
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Speaker 2: On being nominated for an OPRA and Cost Music Award
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. What does that kind of recognition
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Speaker 2: mean to you at this stage in your career?
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Speaker 1: You know, it actually does mean quite a lot. When
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Speaker 1: we found out about this award, we weren't too sure
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Speaker 1: what it meant, and we did a bit of research
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Speaker 1: and we asked a few people, and I actually think
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Speaker 1: this is something we deserve after the absolute grind that
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Speaker 1: we have put ourselves through over the past three years.
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Speaker 1: I sort of feel like this isn't like this is
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Speaker 1: something we want to win after all the hard work
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Speaker 1: we're put into touring and playing shows, and like that's
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Speaker 1: not easy at all.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, exactly. And I've heard that this is the second.
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Speaker 2: Year that they've got their heavy metal category, which is
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Speaker 2: just amazing, and to include more of our female artists
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Speaker 2: as well. So yeah, I think when you said that
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Speaker 2: it's an award you want to win, that's.
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Speaker 3: So good to hear. Absolutely, yeah.
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Speaker 2: And do you feel like the Australian heavy metal Sorry,
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Speaker 2: the Australian heavy music scene is finally starting to get
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Speaker 2: the credit it deserves on a global level.
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Speaker 1: I do think it is. We've spent a lot of
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Speaker 1: time overseas, probably more time playing and touring and meeting
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Speaker 1: other artists and bands overseas than we have in Australia
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Speaker 1: in the past. I'd say like maybe two and a
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Speaker 1: half three years now, and Aussie's are known for being amazing.
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Speaker 1: Like everyone's like, oh my god, another Australian band, Like,
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Speaker 1: what's in the water. You know what's in the water
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Speaker 1: over there? You know what's wrong with you? Aussie's like,
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Speaker 1: you're just a special breed. And I think there's just
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Speaker 1: exceptional bands coming out of Australia that truly are being recognized.
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Speaker 1: We're finally reaching those international waters now and receiving that recognition,
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Speaker 1: being up there with really well recognized, popular, successful metal bands.
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Speaker 1: And we've just finished, like an Aussie we just finished
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Speaker 1: our headline tour in America and we had win Waker
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Speaker 1: with us YEA and they absolutely smashed it. And it's
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Speaker 1: just wonderful to speak to everyone and have them say,
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Speaker 1: you know, everyone knows Alpha Wolf, everyone knows win Wacer,
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Speaker 1: North Lane, Amity Parkway. There's just so many now that
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Speaker 1: I don't think we're even special anymore.
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Speaker 3: I guess you are a little bit. Yeah, you'll always be. No,
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Speaker 3: that's so lovely and I think you're right as well
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Speaker 3: that we are. Everyone seems to be rooting for us,
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Speaker 3: even in other countries, which is nice.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, especially when we spend like two days traveling
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Speaker 1: to another country and then start playing a six week
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Speaker 1: tour the next day, and then you know, we say
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Speaker 1: goodbye to our friends like it's been great touring with you,
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Speaker 1: see you later. They go home in an hour. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and we're still, you know, checking out gear into the
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Speaker 1: airport them, like, you know, it's a grind. It's tough.
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Speaker 1: It really is tough to break out of the Australian market,
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Speaker 1: and it's really good to see other Aussie bands doing it,
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Speaker 1: but also to have the opportunity to tour with them.
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Speaker 1: I think every tour I've done now I've had an
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Speaker 1: Aussie band with me, which is ridiculous but awesome.
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Speaker 2: Yeah as well, it's so weakd and the heavy music
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Speaker 2: world has traditionally been pretty male heavy. Have you felt
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Speaker 2: that change over time and what's it been like carving
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Speaker 2: out your own space in that environment?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a really interesting question because I think
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Speaker 1: as a woman, I don't know any different. And I
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Speaker 1: also grew up seeing a lot of women in metal already.
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Speaker 1: I always used to go searching for it and it
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Speaker 1: was visible to me. But even though it was limited,
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Speaker 1: I never really felt that it was a deterrent. So
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Speaker 1: I find this really hard to answer this question because
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Speaker 1: for me, it's always felt normal. I've always been respected, encouraged,
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Speaker 1: and the more I tour the world, I meet so
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Speaker 1: many women in heavy metal now, and I've toured with
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Speaker 1: female fronted bands, but no one says anything of it either,
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Speaker 1: Like when we're on tour, no one's like, oh, there's
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Speaker 1: two girls. It's not even mentioned. It's just so normal,
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Speaker 1: so respected, And I think maybe that just goes to
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Speaker 1: show now that there is so much visibility acceptance, even
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Speaker 1: if you like every now and then I'll go on
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Speaker 1: to maybe a spirit Box YouTube and I'll watch a
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Speaker 1: song and I'll read the comments, and you've got maybe
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Speaker 1: a really old school people saying things like oh, it's
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Speaker 1: a woman in metal, and then you'll have people underneath
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Speaker 1: going yeah, what about and listing twenty thirty things I've
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Speaker 1: never heard of as well, Like it's just it's really
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Speaker 1: wonderful to see. So yeah, yeah, I think it's just
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Speaker 1: becoming normal now as it should be.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely exactly.
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Speaker 2: And your self titled album released last year really felt like.
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Speaker 3: A statement piece for you guys.
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Speaker 2: What did you want fans to take away from Make
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Speaker 2: Them Say a part that they may not have heard
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Speaker 2: in previous records.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and again a little bit tough for me to answer,
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Speaker 1: because this is my first one. This is the first
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Speaker 1: album that I was on and I'm such a fan
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Speaker 1: of all the albums before that. As an objective listener,
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Speaker 1: I suppose, yeah, But I feel like this. I really
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Speaker 1: think Make Them Suffer has a really special formula. I
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Speaker 1: don't think people have even seen what is to come.
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Speaker 1: And I think that this album was an opportunity to
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Speaker 1: showcase the skills the musicianship that this band does possess.
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Speaker 1: And this is just like a little dip of dipping
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Speaker 1: toes in the water. And now there's nothing to stop
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Speaker 1: us really carrying that forward. You know, We've got a
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Speaker 1: change of members. There was COVID. There was a lot
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Speaker 1: of disjointed circumstances that led to this album short on time.
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Speaker 1: We recorded it in two weeks in America so in
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Speaker 1: between tours. So I think if people enjoyed this album,
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Speaker 1: and I hope that they did, I think when they
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Speaker 1: hear what's next, when we've had time to really craft
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Speaker 1: it and sink into it, I think it's very exciting
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Speaker 1: the future of Make Them Suffer. That's I really firmly
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Speaker 1: believe that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's so awesome.
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Speaker 2: And you briefly just touched on them as well that
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Speaker 2: this was your first record with Make Them Suffer. What
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Speaker 2: has your transition into the band been, like, say, from
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Speaker 2: then to now? How do you how are you feeling now?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? When I first joined, I felt so like I
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Speaker 1: felt like I instantly belonged there. But I was so
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Speaker 1: terrified as well because they're such great musicians. And I
6:37
Speaker 1: think that was the thing that took me by surprise
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Speaker 1: was I had been in bands before, and but this
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Speaker 1: I came into this realizing how much hard work I
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Speaker 1: needed to put into it, and it did. It has taken,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think two and a half years now
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Speaker 1: I've been in Make Them Suffer, and it has taken
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Speaker 1: that time of putting in the hours, playing that amount
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Speaker 1: those amounts of shows, practicing more than I've ever had
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Speaker 1: to practice, being pushed to a performance level, recording level,
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Speaker 1: a musicianship level. It really is the next level because
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Speaker 1: this band has been in internationally touring and signed and
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Speaker 1: writing music and releasing albums for so many years. So
7:17
Speaker 1: coming into that I was like, holy shit, this is
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Speaker 1: actually this is a serious business. But I feel like
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Speaker 1: now I'm fine. Honestly, has taken two and a half years.
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Speaker 1: I feel like now I finally earned my place. When
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Speaker 1: we walk on stage, I don't feel like the newbie.
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Speaker 1: I don't feel like the one who's likeitchit, I screw
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Speaker 1: this up.
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Speaker 3: To night.
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Speaker 1: I really feel like we're a team and everyone's chill
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Speaker 1: and we just like do our little speech. We do
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Speaker 1: little funny speeches before we go on stage, and I
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Speaker 1: feel like, now we're really a team and I belong
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Speaker 1: So it is a really good feeling to finally be
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Speaker 1: in that space. I've just spent a lot of time going,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, do I belong here? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: You know, you know what though two years, really that's
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Speaker 2: not a huge amount of time.
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Speaker 3: And to feel that you're so you know, such a
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Speaker 3: part of the band already is just awesome. It must
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Speaker 3: feel so good.
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Speaker 1: It does, Yeah, really good.
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Speaker 2: And you guys have said that this is your most
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Speaker 2: galvanized era, yet what does that mean to you personally?
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Speaker 2: And how does the band dynamics shifted since the early days,
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Speaker 2: which again you've just this was your first sort of album,
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Speaker 2: but maybe from your perspective, have things shifted from when
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Speaker 2: you first joined in the dynamics of the band to now?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely? I think you know, when I first joined, I
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Speaker 1: came into an era of the band with so much uncertainty,
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Speaker 1: and my perception, like without really I can't speak for
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Speaker 1: anyone else, but my perception was everyone was really unsure
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Speaker 1: whether they wanted to continue and whether there was a
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Speaker 1: future just because of so many circumstances that happened. And
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Speaker 1: when we're released Doom Switch, we were all, especially me,
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Speaker 1: thinking is anyone going to like this? What's the response
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Speaker 1: going to be? And I think there was a concession
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Speaker 1: that perhaps it would be a bit of a drop
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Speaker 1: in the standard of the band, like this is seriously
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Speaker 1: our little dialogue, like oh it's not the best, it's
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Speaker 1: not the best, but you know, you know, maybe maybe
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Speaker 1: it'll be a little drop and it won't do as well,
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Speaker 1: but we'll build from there. That's what we expected. So
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Speaker 1: to have that release sort of really explode, I feel
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Speaker 1: really proud of the band because they have had such
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Speaker 1: an amazing success, which they deserve for every release prior.
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Speaker 2: That.
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Speaker 1: When this came out, I'm glad that it sort of
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Speaker 1: stood the testimony of what the band had worked for
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Speaker 1: and they didn't experience that drop, that loss. It's just
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Speaker 1: been a continuation of of all their hard work. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And obviously it's a big creative shift. The image is changing,
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Speaker 1: the creative is changing from previous to now. But I
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Speaker 1: feel like that's the beauty of the Internet and music
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Speaker 1: and you can just win new fans and just keep pushing.
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Speaker 1: And I do feel like everyone's really happy. We're really
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Speaker 1: happy doing what we're doing. Now. We've formed like a
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Speaker 1: good family. We've done like brutal touring together, built this
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Speaker 1: relationship and I think our last tour was our last
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Speaker 1: American tour we've just returned from really shows now that
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Speaker 1: we're like solid, happy, you where a team, We're ready
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Speaker 1: to keep going.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.
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Speaker 2: You've been through some of the toughest parts of touring
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Speaker 2: and being in a band together.
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Speaker 3: Now that it's like, yeah, we can do anything.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, building trust in the currentler.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, And your twenty twenty five regional tour is
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Speaker 2: a huge eighteen date run across Australia. How do you
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Speaker 2: mentally prepare and physically prepare for a tour of this size,
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Speaker 2: especially back to back shows.
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Speaker 1: There's no preparing for a tour. I don't there's no
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Speaker 1: You just can't prepare for it. You're just gonna get
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Speaker 1: out there and do it. But I can't wait. I
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Speaker 1: get to see places in Australia I've never been to. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I love the fact that we're driving. I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 1: there's only one tour of us in Australia and this
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Speaker 1: is that tour of us, Like, oh yeah, Like we're
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Speaker 1: on a bus. It's actually so cool. Pretty sure Northwaye
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Speaker 1: have used this bus, and I'm quite certain it might
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Speaker 1: be the only tour of bus in Australia for real,
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Speaker 1: because it's just not how we tour here. Usually it's
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Speaker 1: flying production trucks all that sort of stuff. So we're
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Speaker 1: taking this bus, so it's gonna be unreal. It's gonna
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Speaker 1: be so fun, it's gonna be super ausy, Like my
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Speaker 1: vision is hopefully on little days off in between, we
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Speaker 1: get the barbecue out on the beach, and we just
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Speaker 1: have full aussy experience and the spirit of this regional tour.
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Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be more relaxed, yeah, than
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Speaker 1: overseas touring. But I will report back if it's real
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Speaker 1: or if it's really chill, which I really hope that
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Speaker 1: it's just a chill, true blue Aussie experience, so.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I hope.
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Speaker 2: So do you know if the tour of us will
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Speaker 2: have like you guys plustered on the side of it
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Speaker 2: or that.
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Speaker 1: Is a thick idea? I don't think so, but I
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Speaker 1: think we could make that happen. Yes, that's probably the
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Speaker 1: best idea I've ever heard. Oh grandit you We're going
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Speaker 1: to stick something on that bus so that people will
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Speaker 1: be like, oh.
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Speaker 3: Oh, let's make them. Yeah yeah, let's do annoying them
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Speaker 3: and ask for autographs.
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Speaker 1: And actually that's a bad idea because yeah, then we
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Speaker 1: were back alone.
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Speaker 3: Yeah scratch that.
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Speaker 2: And you guys are playing some lesser tour places like
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Speaker 2: fourth and Narrow Warren. How important is it for you
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Speaker 2: to reach fans in those more regional areas.
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Speaker 1: I think it's really important to give people the opportunity
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Speaker 1: to see us. But Also it's just a different I
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Speaker 1: think it's a different vibe as well. It's way more
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Speaker 1: connected with our fans as opposed to a really big production,
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Speaker 1: like a big event. You in the capital city, you're
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Speaker 1: you're more removed from people, and we're still taking production,
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Speaker 1: but it's going to be more intimate in the we
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Speaker 1: will reach more people, We're going to be closer to
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Speaker 1: them in these venues. I think it's going to be
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Speaker 1: a more relaxed, enjoyable, two sided vibe. And again we
13:19
Speaker 1: get to be We get to go to places that
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Speaker 1: we've never been to. I have there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: places that will play that I've never been to. And
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Speaker 1: I think we have spent so much time as a
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Speaker 1: band overseas that this is our opportunity to like just
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Speaker 1: be really Australian.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I know that sounds.
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Speaker 1: They're ridiculous, but it's just like we just get to
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Speaker 1: enjoy Australia, which is amazing, and we're.
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Speaker 3: Also thankful for the fans here.
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Speaker 2: Like I myself live in a regional area which unfortunately.
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Speaker 3: You guys aren't coming to yet.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm actually surprised by how many people are coming. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, we see the ticket sales and I've got
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Speaker 1: friends messaging me going, oh, you're playing here? What do
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Speaker 1: you mean? I didn't even know that people would come
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Speaker 1: to these locations in these places, So really, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think it was It's really good that we are doing
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Speaker 1: this for sure.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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Speaker 2: And with Justice for the Damn and the Gloom in
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Speaker 2: the Corner joining you, what can we expect from the
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Speaker 2: tours line up in terms of energy and atmosphere?
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Speaker 3: Heavy?
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Speaker 1: It's a heavy, heavy lineup. Oh, it's just gonna it's
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Speaker 1: just gonna be heavy. It's gonna be awesome. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: really love I've never toured with Justice for the dam
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Speaker 1: but I have toured with Gloom in the Corner with
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Speaker 1: play shows of them before. They're awesome people. But I
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Speaker 1: know that every band's going to be awesome anyway, because
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Speaker 1: every Australian Battle we have played with is just the best.
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Speaker 1: So I think there's going to be lots of fun,
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Speaker 1: some shenanigans, maybe some tour pranks, and then the show
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Speaker 1: itself is just going to be really really heavy, yeah, which.
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Speaker 3: Sounds like it'll be a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1: Sure, definitely.
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Speaker 2: And if you had to swap roles with one person
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Speaker 2: in the band for a night. Who would you trade with?
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Speaker 3: And why?
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Speaker 1: What a sick question. I'd pick drums because it would
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Speaker 1: be chaos. I'd be so bad and I would get
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Speaker 1: to sit back and watch everyone try and play like
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Speaker 1: while I'm just fucking it up for everyone, just can't
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Speaker 1: keep time, don't know what I'm doing, and then everyone
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Speaker 1: else has to try and get through the show. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I'd make j Man our drama. I'd make him
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Speaker 1: sing for me because he's a really good He's a
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Speaker 1: really good singer. Secretly when we do karaoke, he's actually
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Speaker 1: really good. So this could actually work if.
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Speaker 3: You'd never know? Would that's so funny? Crazy?
15:39
Speaker 2: And how about for you getting into the keyboard? Did
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Speaker 2: that obviously? Did that happen from a young age? Did
15:44
Speaker 2: you decide keyboard is what you want to do? And
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Speaker 2: then getting into the heavy metal genre? Like, how did
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Speaker 2: that all?
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Speaker 1: No? So I did play, thank god. I actually played
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Speaker 1: a lot of instruments when I was young, So probably
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Speaker 1: between the ages of like four and eleven or something,
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Speaker 1: I played keys, I played violin, and I did choie
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Speaker 1: full classical music, studied music, studied music theory, So I
16:11
Speaker 1: did have that background but then I picked voice, so
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Speaker 1: singing was sort of my first instrument, and I did
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Speaker 1: sing up until today. But when I was asked to
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Speaker 1: join Make Them Suffer, I had to relearn to play
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Speaker 1: the keys. So that was a brand new process and
16:26
Speaker 1: I did it in secret. Nick and I had a
16:31
Speaker 1: you know, the key tar was never the intention, but
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Speaker 1: then Nick, our guitarist, sort of said how about a keutar?
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Speaker 1: Like this is awesome, which I'm really glad that we
16:39
Speaker 1: made that choice because it's more versatile than just traditional piano.
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Speaker 1: There's like effects and things you can do with it,
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Speaker 1: and obviously pick it up and pretend I'm a guitarist.
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Speaker 1: But learning the keys was really quite difficult, and I
16:52
Speaker 1: spent every single day secretly practicing before we announced that
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Speaker 1: I was in Make Them Suffer. But then the added
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Speaker 1: element is playing and singing at the same time is
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Speaker 1: really really hard. So it's been a really big challenge.
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because I've been a singer for so long.
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Speaker 1: I still consider myself a singer, but now I've got
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Speaker 1: this opportunity to go, Okay, so I can play these songs,
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Speaker 1: but could piano and keys become a really strong instrument again?
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Speaker 1: For me at you know, the age of thirty six,
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Speaker 1: this could become something. And I've actually started to think
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Speaker 1: about composition and all that sort of stuff, which hadn't.
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Speaker 1: I've just never thought that that would be something I'd
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Speaker 1: ever do again. Yeah, so yeah, so predominantly a vocalist.
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Speaker 3: Actually, yeah.
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Speaker 1: The thing I'm always thinking of is like, oh my god, okay.
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Speaker 3: The keys. Yeah right, that's amazing.
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Speaker 2: And I often wonder because I know, doing one instrument
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Speaker 2: alone is hard enough, and then trying to add another
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Speaker 2: one in there, remembering all the parts, and then like,
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Speaker 2: it's such a workout.
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Speaker 3: For the brain.
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Speaker 1: It is. And I remember when I was going through
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Speaker 1: the process of learning to do both at the same time.
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Speaker 1: It's quite amazing what the brain will do if you
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Speaker 1: just repeat it, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, because
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Speaker 1: the piano parts aren't super complex, but it's doing both
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Speaker 1: at the same time. So I remember to stick distinct
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Speaker 1: moments where I think I'm never going to be able
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Speaker 1: to sing, like I would be playing the piano and
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Speaker 1: I'd start singing the piano melody. I'm like, no, no, no.
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Speaker 1: But then I noticed a point where my brain started
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Speaker 1: to be able to do both on an autopilot, and
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, that's that's amazing, Like
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Speaker 1: the brain's capacity is quite exceptional. Just repetition. I have
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Speaker 1: a lot of repetition and practice till three am and
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Speaker 1: then going to work and then getting up and they're
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Speaker 1: practicing again.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't care to answer, I mean, don't
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Speaker 2: mind to answer.
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Speaker 3: What is your other job?
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Speaker 1: Of course? Yeah. I always make like a little jokes
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Speaker 1: on my Instagram, like corporate, but I actually work as
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Speaker 1: an executive assistant for an engineering firm. And previous leader
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Speaker 1: that I've worked for lack the government and major construction projects.
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Speaker 1: So my current job is I actually manage an office
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Speaker 1: for a group of engineers in the Defense Force, and
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Speaker 1: then I support as the assistant the CEO built the
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Speaker 1: Chief Engineering Officer for Australia, and I just support him
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Speaker 1: in his job. But I've got a very very long
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Speaker 1: corporate career, which I used to think would really get
19:39
Speaker 1: in the way of creativity, but actually really helps have
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Speaker 1: like a strong business organizational sort of project management background
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Speaker 1: that does with life skills when you're out on the
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Speaker 1: road and you're sort of like, how do I survive?
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, definitely imagine maybe and you having that creative
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Speaker 2: outlet as well aside from the and that is no
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Speaker 2: small side job, by the way, that's insane.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like a bit of a crazy career.
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Speaker 1: I walked. It's really funny because we came back last
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Speaker 1: Wednesday at twelve o'clock. We arrived at the airport. So
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Speaker 1: I went home, went to sleep for however long, and
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Speaker 1: I went to the office the next morning eight am,
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Speaker 1: walking in my suit and my boss goes to me,
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Speaker 1: how does this work in your brain? How does this
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Speaker 1: work yesterday?
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Speaker 3: You know?
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Speaker 1: You you just finished that. I now you're wearing this,
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Speaker 1: and he goes, what happens in your brain? Is it hard?
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Speaker 1: I said, it's actually not.
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Speaker 3: It's a switch.
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Speaker 1: It's genuinely I just switch mode, switch modes new character, unlocked,
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Speaker 1: straight back into the corporate world. But I definitely I'm
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Speaker 1: excited to not have to do that. Just I'm excited
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Speaker 1: when that when I don't have to do that anymore.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, oh, I hope it's soon. And what's a
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Speaker 2: song from another artist? All and you'd love to cover
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Speaker 2: on tour just for fun?
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Speaker 1: Questioned that's so tough because there's so many Oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think if I would go heavy actually,
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Speaker 1: or probably like a brutal I've got like little fantasies
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Speaker 1: of being a really hectic gore grind vocalist, which is
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Speaker 1: so unrealistic for me. But every now and then I'll
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Speaker 1: listen to like Despised Icon or Impending Doom, and I
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Speaker 1: imagine that I'm doing these guttural vocals like it's me
21:33
Speaker 1: and I get on stage and I do this this
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Speaker 1: guttural so probably something like that. I know that sounds
21:38
Speaker 1: in same.
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Speaker 3: That's awesome. I really think you should give it a
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Speaker 3: try sometime, just shock everyone.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's never too late, right, Yeah, And.
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Speaker 2: You guys have toured with huge legends like Parkway Drive,
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Speaker 2: Bring Me the Horizon and more.
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Speaker 3: Who's still on your dream tour wish list?
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Speaker 1: Yes? I would love to tour with Alexis on Fire.
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Speaker 1: They're probably one of my favorite bands of all time,
22:05
Speaker 1: and I reckon I'd cry every night. I've seen them
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Speaker 1: play the most out of any bands. I think I've
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Speaker 1: seen them six times, seven times, and so Alexis on
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Speaker 1: Fire and then AFI. I'm a really big Afire fan. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and my ultimate goal this would be the pinnacle of
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Speaker 1: success would be to tour with Muse. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how that would ever happen because they're just so dream.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, stranger things have happened all these
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Speaker 2: bands you've mentioned, Like, I'm like, I can see it, honestly.
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Speaker 3: That's so.
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Speaker 1: I mean, might as well just shoot for the most unrealistic,
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Speaker 1: impossible goal and yes, never know, and even like Lincoln
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Speaker 1: Park touring with all these bands in our genre, So
22:49
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, Muse, Yes, yes.
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Speaker 3: That's it. That's it, there's hope, there is hope.
22:55
Speaker 2: And speaking a little bit more about artists that you're
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Speaker 2: liking at the moment, what are you listening too?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so obsessed speaking of Lincoln Park with the
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Speaker 1: new Lincoln Park vocalist Emily, she's actually become like an inspiration,
23:09
Speaker 1: obsessed with her. So obsessed with Lincoln Park. But I'm
23:12
Speaker 1: really really into I think they're Swedish and Danish. I
23:19
Speaker 1: could be wrong. They're a band called Vola. I'm not
23:21
Speaker 1: sure if you've ever heard of Vola, but they're popping.
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Speaker 3: Up in just resantly.
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Speaker 1: Yes, they've really started picking off and I think they
23:29
Speaker 1: were touring with intervals in America at the moment, they
23:32
Speaker 1: are spectacular. They're a bit more of a softer proggy,
23:36
Speaker 1: the beautiful euro sympthy vibe. The vocals are just, oh,
23:41
Speaker 1: just incredible. So Vola and I'm a really big fan
23:44
Speaker 1: of Catatonia. They're the two bands. They're quite melancholy, both
23:48
Speaker 1: of those bands. I've been listening to them both a
23:50
Speaker 1: lot at the moment. Who else.
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Speaker 3: Any bands or artists that might surprise us that like toal.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, I love it, I love em. Sometimes
24:05
Speaker 1: I'll go down. I can't really, I can't name three
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Speaker 1: songs that might surprise No. I love generic metalcorere metal,
24:20
Speaker 1: like I just give me Spotify best of like the
24:23
Speaker 1: you know, the top playlist, Like I love that stuff.
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Speaker 3: I think it's brilliant. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I'm not like a like egotistical about certain I was
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Speaker 1: going to be this or that, Like just give me
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Speaker 1: good basic pop metal.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
24:39
Speaker 2: And last question, how excited are you about the opera
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Speaker 2: and cost Awards and being a part of it.
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Speaker 1: I'm really excited. I hope we win because the amount
24:48
Speaker 1: of blood, sweat and tears that we have put into
24:52
Speaker 1: grinding and playing these shows and playing these songs which
24:55
Speaker 1: we love obviously, but it would be it would be
24:58
Speaker 1: like that's we did it for a reason, and I'm
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Speaker 1: there's any reasons. It would be really cool to be like, hey,
25:03
Speaker 1: we want an award for all of our hard work
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Speaker 1: as well, So yeah, it would be really grateful.
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Speaker 3: And you know what, even if you guys don't, which
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Speaker 3: I hope and I have.
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Speaker 2: A premonition like the feeling that you will, at least
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Speaker 2: you've been nominated and that just proves you know, that's
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Speaker 2: something still, and it's.
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Speaker 1: You've got the recognition and it's great that the award exists.
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Speaker 1: So whoever wins it, I'll be like if you be
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Speaker 1: asked like well done, yeah, true, that's it.
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Speaker 3: It was so lovely to meet you. Thank you so
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Speaker 3: much too.
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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, and I'm sure I'll speak to
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Speaker 1: you again at some stage.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be great. Thanks so much to